assassination

[amber mountain]

I could pick up the last few PUGing it, but pugging is just... frustrating

[limber lion]

It shouldn't be too bad with the new patch

We'll see an influx in players and people doing keys

And you can just push your own key

[amber mountain]

Tried to PUG a 16 SD (one of the last 3 I need, because of course it is) and we did amazing up until the gauntlet

[scenic root]

Well it was leaked almost a month ago the release date, blizzard let word of mouth do the advertisement cause they are lazy

[limber lion]

It was never leaked

People were only speculating

There were talks of 29th of July, of 1st of August, of 13th of July

Etc.

Everyone's just speculating.

After speculating 50 different dates, one of them will eventually hit.

[amber mountain]

Yeah, speculating based on the PTR status, TBCC release date, and just general dates. it was never leaked

[scenic root]

Yeah it was, Chinese blizzard employee said July 1st, which is Asian reset day, so us would be 29th

[real solar]

because they did the official preview last week, we were all guessing around mid july, but yeah - i dont think there was a real leak

[ionic kelp]

hopefully u didnt try it this week cause this week is terrible

next week a lot better tho

[amber mountain]

No, it was Monday night

[limber lion]

Well, anyways

[amber mountain]

i realized how garbage this week was going to be and figured I'd push it

[limber lion]

The date is here now

That's all that matters.

[mellow pier]

Gaming in 2021 is paying to beta test product and waiting for fixes

[ionic kelp]

ah last week worst fort week imo but u got it dw

[hollow river]

Supposedly Chinese blizzard employee leaked the info. Js

[limber lion]

Pretty much.

[white jetty]

Hows the dealio then, I wanna respec to sin, would you guys recommend I change to venthyr now to get the covenant grind done? Or should i wait it out

[limber lion]

Necrolord is the best covenant for Sin.

[amber mountain]

To be fair, that's basically gaming post 2005

[limber lion]

But, you can do that now if you want to.

[real solar]

What covenant are you right now? If you're necro - stay necro @white jetty

[white jetty]

sick, nice

[real solar]

if you're kyrian/fae - go necro

[mellow pier]

@amber mountain not that early but prob since legion

So 2016

[orchid cloud]

necro is best for both raiding/m+?

[limber lion]

Yes

Anything is subject to change

[real solar]

venthyr gamers raise your hand

[orchid cloud]

I mean I'm venthyr rn

😦

[mellow pier]

Basically go necro for heroic and we will see from there

[limber lion]

Currently Necrolord is looking like the better option

But we'll be getting heroic week tuning

which can change everything

[amber mountain]

Oh, i'm talking gaming in general, not WoW specific. Basically since Digital distribution and Consoles with online became a thing

[hollow river]

You need to make this your signature under each message. 🙂

[real solar]

blizzard tuning nowadays is a flat aura buff

T_T

[limber lion]

I was actually considering just copy/pasting it.

[hollow river]

Can’t do signature on disc? Maybe only from phone

[amber mountain]

Just put it after your name, like a reddit flair

[mellow pier]

Necro gives best value imo for heroic week because u will be doing m+ mostly

And u can change after u play the fights

[real solar]

well low m+ doesnt even matter

for covenant

[limber lion]

Necro will be the best value overall honestly

[hollow river]

Lmfao yes he did it

[mellow pier]

Yeah

[limber lion]

It's just too good.

[mellow pier]

Venthyr on KT tho

[limber lion]

Yeah

[mellow pier]

Watch 😛

[amber mountain]

For the vast majority of us, comfort and understanding of the spec and rotation matters more than the covenant itself

[limber lion]

KT is the one fight where Venth might pull ahead

Or well, not pull ahead

[mellow pier]

Be useful

[limber lion]

Yeah

[hollow river]

But be good for prog

[amber mountain]

I was expecting you to keep at least part of your name Cev

[mellow pier]

I haven’t pushed an m+ in 5 months

Fuck

[real solar]

Honestly, just go Necro unless you're ever considering playing Sub

[limber lion]

Me neither.

Got 2k and stopped.

[mellow pier]

I’m 1500

Got my ksm and peaced out

[limber lion]

Didn't fit :(

32 characters is max.

[mellow pier]

I should probably set up my outlaw ui again

[limber lion]

Or just play sin religiously.

[normal crater]

Sinner4life

[tired citrus]

We have finalized numbers for release or not yet?

[mellow pier]

I did slg for second time last week and I was backup soak

[amber mountain]

Cev - Everything changes fam

[mellow pier]

Was risky without outlaw lol

[limber lion]

No.

Anything is subject to change, we will get more tuning closer to the patch and during heroic week.

[tired citrus]

cheers

[mellow pier]

After heroic week u will most likely see changes

[real solar]

@limber lion can u explain how doomblade works

[limber lion]

Yes.

[mellow pier]

Prob just aura or legendary tweaks

[limber lion]

No.

[mellow pier]

But still

[limber lion]

stab mob, mob bleeds, big deeps, very good

[hollow river]

Tab mut

[real solar]

So mutilate every mob in aoe, got it

[amber mountain]

repeated stabbing suggested

[real solar]

:^)

[limber lion]

[tired citrus]

So as we go i guess venthyr>necro Sin > other specs Doomblade best leggo

[limber lion]

Necro > Venth

[real solar]

Necro > venth sin

Only stay venth if you want to play around w sub

[limber lion]

Venth is only good for pure st, not much of that in 9.1

[mellow pier]

Venthyr is completely fine if u like the play style imo

[limber lion]

Yeh, venth on sub is nuts though

It is

[mellow pier]

But necro will be better overall

[limber lion]

All covenants are fine honestly.

Except Kyrian.

[mellow pier]

Ehhh fuck kyrian

[tired citrus]

Ye im necro 2 months now but staying for the playstyle and SLG/Dena mainly

[limber lion]

Yeah, you should stay Necro in 9.1 as well.

[tired citrus]

even with new renowns?

[limber lion]

Yes.

Currently it's looking like it.

[echo cargo]

How much better is necro than venth for m+ after the bone leggo nerf

[limber lion]

We don't have all the numbers yet.

Anything is subject to change, we will get more tuning closer to the patch and during heroic week.

[limber lion]

Still a lot better, Necro was already ahead

[teal bloom]

What if we use tiny toxic blade and shiv from stealth in 9.1 but there's no sims yet so I don't have enough soul ash to craft it on patch release

[limber lion]

Necro was ahead even without Deathspike

[limber lion]

We didn't get any buffs to TTB, so highly doubt it, don't worry :')

[tired citrus]

it felt like full renown heirmir is better than full renown nadjia but that will take a while but i havent done numbers( for ptr at least)

[limber lion]

Getting your renown up there will take 1-2 days

It's not too bad.

[frosty bridge]

it's pretty nice that gemstone doesn't DR

[tired citrus]

its not gonna be gated?

[limber lion]

You can get to 40 without gating currently.

There will be gating in 9.1, that is correct.

[tired citrus]

im not talking about 40

[limber lion]

Sure is.

[amber mountain]

I think Agnostos means post 40

[limber lion]

Ah okay fair eough

Yeah, it's time-gated

[pale fossil]

Man, part of me was hoping for a later release date so I have time to swap covenants and get my garden mounts. Now it's too close for me to do that

[limber lion]

2-3 renown a week.

[frosty bridge]

Nadjia haste is flat value right?

[amber mountain]

You know... like me... post 40...

[limber lion]

Similar to how it worked in 9.1

[tired citrus]

I mean would i have to progress a week with nadjia and a week with heirmir etc

[limber lion]

I'm not actually 100% sure anymore

Been a while since I looked at Thrill Seeker

But I think it does DR, could be wrong

[tired citrus]

but ill wait for values

[limber lion]

Don't quote me on that.

[limber lion]

I doubt the difference will be that large

[frosty bridge]

Oh it is 20%, nvm

So it doesn't DR

[limber lion]

Where the last soulbind is the deciding factor

The covenant design is probably the factor

Necrolord is still better in AoE/Cleave, even without ME

[frosty bridge]

The fact that Sylvanas daggers are crit haste is pretty nice

[limber lion]

They're not

They removed the stats.

[real solar]

They have no stats

[frosty bridge]

dang

[limber lion]

They only have the unique effect.

[real solar]

They need to buff em to make us want to use it

[limber lion]

They are very, very bad currently.

[tired citrus]

Cheers for the chat that simplifies things i cba with venthyr anyway too boring

[limber lion]

Good, Necrolord is bae.

:')

[tired citrus]

yeap its giga

[frosty bridge]

Venthyr is mega boringh

[limber lion]

It's a lot more fun than Venthyr as well.

personally.

[real solar]

i’m staying venthyr for the first week 😔

[tired citrus]

exactly i progressed sub kyrian last tier that was ultra ebola

[frosty bridge]

Necro is way too fun

[red plaza]

SBS is so satisfying to press

[limber lion]

Venthyr Sub is pretty giga though, so definitely give that a shot if you're staying Venthyr for 9.1

[limber lion]

Eww

[limber lion]

Sure is, applying it to everything and getting 5CP from each cast is

[mellow pier]

I think for prog tho assassin is usually the best option when they are equal or close

[limber lion]

Definitely.

[real solar]

sin is pretty much always good

[limber lion]

Sin has been the go-to raiding spec for a long time

It doesn't suffer from downtime as much

But then again, we're usually very well tuned

If we did 0 damage (like in 9.0), we wouldn't see play

[mellow pier]

Honesty if they unpruned 2 things were way more viable

[limber lion]

Need the numbers, even if the design of the spec is good.

[mellow pier]

Smoke bomb and tricks dmg increase

[limber lion]

We are currently VERY viable

[frosty bridge]

Cev would you go for 200 WPS or 226 SF on Sludge?

[real solar]

bring back echoing blades or riot

[limber lion]

We don't need any more buffs.

[mellow pier]

I mean in terms of raid use

[limber lion]

WPS

[real solar]

conduit ilvl doesnt matter

that much

[frosty bridge]

Hmm, thought so

[limber lion]

Fair enough, but our purpose is just to do damage

And we do that well.

[hollow river]

Death spike needs buffs

[limber lion]

Not SP-well

But still pretty well

[hollow river]

(:

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, especially on that fight it seems like a nobrainer

[teal bloom]

Would you vanish-> shiv with tiny toxic blade legendary? It should do a lot of damage 🤔 not that a single person has ever crafted it or should

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

):

[mellow pier]

It hasn’t been that philosophy for 95% of games existence

[misty holly]

Sticking to my guns as assassination sin since day 1 has worked out nicely so far lol. Every patch and hotfix makes us stronger!

[mellow pier]

It’s a new thing for us

[limber lion]

Probably. Imagine Nightstalker with that

[limber lion]

Good, same here!

[spice spire]

Make TTB viable then we’ll talk

Oh god nightstalker shiv smashers

[limber lion]

I kinda wanna make TTB for Torghast

[mellow pier]

A lot of problems with rogue tho is things like alacrity existing instead of being baseline

It gets rid of other choices we could have

[limber lion]

Big negative

Venom Rush and Exsanguinate are both

very VERY bad

[mellow pier]

Yes

[limber lion]

Even if Alacrity didn't exist

that wouldn't change much

We would play Venom Rush

but

it's still bad

[mellow pier]

But changing those to older talents

[dull cloak]

play all 3 spec and youre good for every expansion

[teal bloom]

Ttb is legendary for the true shiv smashers

[mellow pier]

With choices for sin and outlaw

[limber lion]

Alacrity is too strong for that row, that is correct.

[delicate bone]

this tbh

[fathom swift]

its only a problem from the perspective of wanting more viable choices

[limber lion]

But it should not be baseline and it will not make other choices "viable"

Still bad

[misty holly]

I bet that guy who only used bleeds would take exanguinate.

[limber lion]

Probably.

Exsanguinate is not worth using even if we had 126% haste and our bleeds did twice the damage.

We need something giga-crazy for it to become good

Like Shrouded Suffocation

[real solar]

I wish we had 126% haste

and double bleed dmg

[limber lion]

8.3

[real solar]

I wish we had SS and EB

[limber lion]

I liked SS

Didn't care for EB too much

Didn't enjoy the Fok cp overcap gameplay

fok spam, ignoring all finisher logic

[real solar]

1 combo point fan of knives in aoe is big sad

Rng is not my forte

[limber lion]

Ye that's true

Give us Shuriken Storm

[dull cloak]

I miss poison bomb doing 30% damage :)

[limber lion]

and we're happy boys

[limber lion]

[real solar]

y is whispyr mia

[limber lion]

He's sleeping

He's NA

[real solar]

how dare he sleep

[limber lion]

But that's why I'm here.

[amber mountain]

It's 2PM in NA...

[real solar]

In the only time zone that matters

[limber lion]

He could be at work as well

Sometimes the man is up at 6 am

[strange python]

It's 11 in the good part of na

[spice spire]

It’s 11 am in PST, and dude rarely sleeps

[limber lion]

Yeh

[spice spire]

He kinda deserves some time off every now and then

[limber lion]

We've had our time off for 6 months now

Rise and shine gamers.

[spice spire]

Cev out here doing gods work, ethically farming

[limber lion]

🌇

[heavy coral]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[soft fable]

Is doomblade still expected to be the go-to raid leggo?

[limber lion]

Yes, on the cloak slot.

Anything is subject to change, we will get more tuning closer to the patch and during heroic week.

[whole bluff]

can't wait to read updated pins

[limber lion]

I'm sure Whispyr will do some pins for us when he gets wakes up.

[ruby birch]

Rogue utility launches on patch day, world first race includes 5 rogues per guild

It'll happen

[hollow river]

Re edit the edit

[limber lion]

Skip.

[dull cloak]

now i have to craft db for the third time :/

[limber lion]

Ouch.

[echo crystal]

so how much is my guild going to laugh at me if I stay necro?

[real solar]

0

[dull cloak]

hope they let us refund legendaries

[real solar]

If they laugh at you, they don’t know rogue

[ruby birch]

Necro is really good for sin

[limber lion]

Highly doubt it

We're getting infinite Soul Ash in 9.1, so I don't think that's happening

[thorny pond]

Holy shit can we force that down people’s brains

[delicate bone]

yea i plan to be Necro but i also play all 3 specs so it seems to be the best

[hollow river]

“But such and such website says rogue NflF BiS”

[limber lion]

Nutty even, if I may say so.

[limber lion]

:)

[real solar]

Is there a DR on soul ash farming in 9.1?

[halcyon zealot]

Cev hard at work this afternoon i see

[hollow river]

Yes

[limber lion]

Anything for the bleedyboys

[limber lion]

It dr's once, but only once

So you get full value from your first run, then the same amount from the runs following it.

[thorny pond]

@limber lion @limber lion @limber lion
9.2 what legendary do I play? Why do I take blindside? EP seems better! I like how duskwalkers plays can I do that instead and be good????

[limber lion]

[real solar]

Okay, I was under the assumption that it gave less with each additional run, so that’s good to hear

[shrewd night]

@limber lionImagine asking me but not linking the post

[limber lion]

Yep, no worries about that. You can infinitely farm it.

[limber lion]

Aight, give me a sec.

[pale fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/son-of-a-bitch-chris-farley-saturday-night-live-god-damn-it-aw-come-one-gif-18069882

[hollow river]

Save yourself the trouble and reroll (:

[thorny pond]

Soul ash is free

[pale fossil]

[hollow river]

Lol free

[prisma monolith]

Anything is subject to change, we will get more tuning closer to the patch and during heroic week.

• Necrolord is looking like the current best choice for raiding and m+, even with the nerf to Deathspike.
  Venthyr is only slightly ahead in single target and might be the better choice for some niche fights, like mythic Kel'Thuzad.

• Sylvanas dagger is looking really bad for now and needs more tuning.

• A lot of things are still bugged/missing in the ptr and a lot of things have not been added to simulationcraft. We will add sims when they are ready and you can find them in the pins. It's safe to assume that the sims will not be ready before 9.1 releases, as many things are constantly changing and being tuned.

[limber lion]

[cerulean nest]

new pin = nut

[shrewd night]

Ye, thank moroes for writing it. He is a swell robot butler.

[limber lion]

[amber mountain]

Only thing I'd like to correct Moroes and @limber lion on is that Sylvanas dagger LOOKS badass, but stat-wise it's non-existant. 100% will still farm for transmog

I figure I'll actually get the drop in 14.3

[spice spire]

Moroes the best TC

[limber lion]

That is true, the mythic version is a bit underwhelming transmog wise imo :(

[gaunt tree]

not to mention we can loot spec outlaw to get that cool claw too

[limber lion]

The fist weapon is sick though.

[shrewd night]

Guess who is the only person in raid to use fists

[amber mountain]

The monk they bring instead of a rogue?

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

Wow

So about that smoke bomb?

[limber lion]

We're not getting it.

9.2 is a good guess, if at all.

[thorny pond]

Color me shocked

Ion and false promises, name a more iconic duo

[limber lion]

I don't think he promised it for 9.1 though

And they didn't honestly confirm smoke bomb either

They were just spitballing ideas

[thorny pond]

Pulled the old “soon (tm)”

[frosty bridge]

Don't remember them mentioning giving us SB for 9.1?

[dull cloak]

i rather have giga damage than smokebomb

[limber lion]

They never said we're getting smoke bomb for 9.1.

[limber lion]

Same.

[frosty bridge]

Either way we can't complain too much, imagine loving Arms Warrior

[limber lion]

We're honestly in a good spot right now.

We're one of the top melee specs in the game.

[mellow pier]

I think melee as a whole needs a redesign

[limber lion]

Huh

[frosty bridge]

Honestly

[limber lion]

How would you redesign melee

[tired citrus]

ye make them ranged

[mellow pier]

Since the encounter team likes to make fights where it’s obvious to use ranged

[tired citrus]

pogchamp

[limber lion]

Yeah but you don't redesign melee for that

[mellow pier]

Melee should be balanced higher

[dull cloak]

im willing to bet a good portion of rogues asking for things like smoke bomb or damage tricks will not press it

[limber lion]

You design the fights around melee/range

[mellow pier]

As a whole

[limber lion]

Yeah, that is true

[mellow pier]

To make a trade off

[limber lion]

Melee should be balanced higher in terms of dps

[mellow pier]

Yes

[limber lion]

But redesign is a bit too far.

[mellow pier]

Well

[silent tinsel]

You know why this happened? Because they removed mana as a resource for ranged

[amber mountain]

Just put quaking in raids

[mellow pier]

Like a philosophy design

[frosty bridge]

Well, melee mostly got raid CDs

[limber lion]

Ehhh don't think so.

[frosty bridge]

Does any range DPS have raid CDs? Except perhaps innervate

[limber lion]

Yes

[amber mountain]

Most of them?

[limber lion]

All of them.

[mellow pier]

The only fight in the last like 10 years where u were like yeah let’s bring more melee was Gul’dan

[silent tinsel]

Give more mobs with smoke bomb auras?

[limber lion]

You rarely bring less melees intentionally honestly

[frosty bridge]

I mean, what does SP bring outside of damage?

[limber lion]

You just bring your best players

[frosty bridge]

Embrace?

[limber lion]

Except on the top 10 WR guilds

You don't put someone who's a god at rogue

on a mage

if he sucks at it

[frosty bridge]

unless that someone is Fragnance

[limber lion]

Exactly

Like said

Top 10 WR

[mellow pier]

It might be diff in EU

[limber lion]

The best single target damage and execute in the game.

[mellow pier]

But in NA we just bring another player

Lol

[limber lion]

Well in my WR27 guild, I know I'm only playing Sin rogue in the next tier

[frosty bridge]

But that's what I mean, if their damage wasn't insane you wouldn't neccessarily bring them

Warlock got gate, mage got intellect

[limber lion]

Like they rarely actually design the fights "melee unfriendly"

[mellow pier]

You’re the outlier tho for majority of players

[limber lion]

A lot of people were complaining that CN was melee unfriendly

The only melee unfriendly boss

was Sludgefist

There's rarely melee-unfriendly bosses, they are just worse in design wise and in numbers.

[mellow pier]

Since sludge was the only wall your raid would most likely only use ranged players to get gear for sludge

See how that works?

[amber mountain]

Yeah, having run CN from LFR up to Heroic I can't speak for Mythic, but Sludgefist was the only one I hated as melee

[limber lion]

Only wall?

[mellow pier]

Well dps wall

[limber lion]

Imagine wiping twice the amount on SLG

And that not being a wall

[mellow pier]

Different kind

[shy dust]

SLG wasn’t really a dps wall

[limber lion]

It wasn't

[frosty bridge]

I mean, on Sire melee has the overlap to deal with for example, ranged has it easier

But that is barely something

[amber mountain]

Walls are uniform structures... SLG is more of a... i dunno... hedge maze

[shy dust]

Well he did say dps wall and you brought up slg

Which again wasn’t really a dps wall

[limber lion]

He did right as I typed my own message yeah

Didn't specify it earlier

But yeh

[mellow pier]

Your guild would basically say these are your 4 melee for the tier

And that was it

[forest vigil]

I liked that

[limber lion]

Ranged usually has stuff better than melee

That's just by the design of range and melee in MMORPG's

It's not because a fight is more melee-unfriendly or melee-friendly.

[silent tinsel]

Ranged suppose to be throttled by movement

[amber mountain]

Yeah, if they can't stand still, their dps drops... hence bring quaking and volcanic to raids 😄

[spice spire]

M+ raids when

[amber mountain]

That said, if we gimp ranged dps, the scrubs in my raids will be even more useless and I'll never get progress with these people

[limber lion]

Designing a fight by handicapping ranged is very bad design.

[amber mountain]

I like them, but I seriously have to call out individuals for every mechanic.

[frosty bridge]

If I had to guess the comp for RWF: Tanks: Brewmaster+Blood Melee: Fury W, 2x Unholy, Havoc, Sin rogue RDPS: 2x Warlock 2x Boomkin 1x Hunter 1x Mage 1x Shadow Healers: Hpal, disc, 2x rshammy

[odd python]

will venthyr still be bis for assa?

or can we go necro for outlaw m+?

[limber lion]

Anything is subject to change, we will get more tuning closer to the patch and during heroic week.

[frosty bridge]

Pure ST probably yes

[amber mountain]

X, move towards star...
W... STACK STACK STACK... no... don't run away... STACK

[limber lion]

Read the pins

lalalala

I made the pins for you, you just need to read them.

[odd python]

mea culpa

[limber lion]

No worries monte, it's all good.

[amber mountain]

Except Kyrian

Kyrian is NOT good

🙂

[odd python]

ehh... third covenant here we go

[frosty bridge]

Third?

Rookie numbers.

[limber lion]

I doubt anyone has said that they're all good choices. :')

[odd python]

ive been venth, then kyrian, then venth again

[limber lion]

All the cool kids hate Kyrian.

[odd python]

now necrolololo

[limber lion]

It takes 1-2 days to get your renown to 31+

It's not too bad.

[pale fossil]

I want to be Night Fae but the ability sucks

[frosty bridge]

Renown is pretty easy to grind yeah

Still wish they make it easier to switch but oh well

[limber lion]

Just do raids first on all difficulties (lfr, normal, heroic) then do the callings, then wb, then the campaign then the weeklies.

[limber lion]

It's honestly very easy to switch.

[pale fossil]

Renown is easy to grind, but two resets to swap back to an old covenant is a bummer.

[limber lion]

Takes 2 days.

[frosty bridge]

I mean yeah

I wish it was 0

It is not hard at all, which is great

[limber lion]

But that would promote really, really bad gameplay honestly

I'm glad there is a time-gate for htat.

[tired jasper]

what does this means in the pin notes ? "on non-lashing sims"

[limber lion]

Imagine going Venthyr for 1 boss

[frosty bridge]

Why?

[limber lion]

Then switching to Necro

[pale fossil]

To be clear, you can't complete the second leg to swap back and then start the first leg the same reset, right? It should take four resets to swap back and forth, not three?

[limber lion]

for 2 bosses

Then switching back to Venth

for 1 st boss

then back to necro

You get the point

[limber lion]

The sims are not updated for 9.1.

[odd python]

I went venthyr for sire

[silent tinsel]

It doesn't feel easy when you are floating around 25

[limber lion]

Non-lashing sims means sims not using the Lashing Scars conduit.

[frosty bridge]

It doesn't sound as bad as having different covenants for M+, PvP and Raid

For many classes and specs

[limber lion]

You just do the campaign and get renown for every single chapter

[silent tinsel]

Checking callings for a chance to gain 1 level

[odd python]

that sounds FUN

blizzard does not like fun

[wary pawn]

havent seen anything about new raid, is necrolord the way to go?

[limber lion]

You shouldn't do the campaign before you're like 23 or something.

[limber lion]

[frosty bridge]

Sorry I meant different BiS covenants

[nimble tartan]

wait that sounds ideal

[limber lion]

Yeah, and awful.

[nimble tartan]

i love it bro

esp for prog purposes

farm i get it

[frosty bridge]

It's extremely offspec unfriendly

[limber lion]

Sure thing, but that wouldn't work.

[frosty bridge]

And conduit energy is just a face punch

[limber lion]

If we could change covenants with a touch of a button, that would be good.

[nimble tartan]

honestly never changed a condie in my life

[limber lion]

Like we can do with a soulbind.

[limber lion]

Conduit Energy is very bad, agreed.

Pointless even.

[frosty bridge]

That's what I meant, why not let us switch freely?

[silent tinsel]

Imo we need respect fees again

[frosty bridge]

I mean

[limber lion]

Def not.

[frosty bridge]

You said why, but I think it'S a good tradeoff instead of losing access to your best covenant for e.g. PvP

[limber lion]

Yeah, I agree. That would be good, if it was made really simple and where you could do it anywhere

But not something that you have to do a quest for every time

And visit the sanctum

[frosty bridge]

Just a window that you can switch with tomes

[limber lion]

But Blizzard wants to force choice on players

You're forced to make a choice.

[pale fossil]

For a lore standpoint, I also don't really get why we have to commit to a covenant? They aren't in conflict with each other. The whole thing is that they need to work together. So why do I need to do dungeons to "prove my worth" after my "betrayal" because I wanted to help out my skeleton bros?

[limber lion]

And can't just play the best thing for every situation.

[limber lion]

[pale fossil]

All the quest dialogue in the quests to swap back is just...bizarre.

[limber lion]

Maybe in 9.2 all the covenants will work together and forge a bond so we can swap as much as we'd like.

[frosty bridge]

They are afraid more casual players will be overwhelmed by choice

lol

[limber lion]

Maybe that's just whisful thinking.

[limber lion]

Well, I don't think so

[pale fossil]

That'd certainly be nice.

[limber lion]

They removed the ability to change gear/talents in m+ because they wanted to force choice on you.

And because they are very heavy on the lore-thing

[frosty bridge]

Well, conduit energy is 100% that tho, they think that newer players will feel forced tos witch finesse and defensives for every dungeon boss etc

Imo

[pale fossil]

[frosty bridge]

I see no other reason

[pale fossil]

I want to play WoW partially for the lore because the world is really pretty and cool, but man they make it hard lol

[limber lion]

Yeah, I think the lore is pretty interesting and it's very well put together

But there are quite a few inconsistencies here and there.

[worn geyser]

Is assa looking to be the most probable top spec for 9.1 raiding ?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[pale fossil]

They start interesting stories, but they lean on the same couple plot devices way too much and there seem to be a lot of inconsistencies, yeah.

[rain mortar]

This statement is like an oxymoron

[pale fossil]

Plus, I think the lore "breaks" pretty often for gameplay reasons in ways that make it hard to stay immersed.

[silent tinsel]

They'll make cov abilities swappable in 10.0

[limber lion]

Yep and they do the "this person is evil for 2 expansions then suddenly turns into an angel when you face them in a raid"

[amber mountain]

Transmog is the answer

[limber lion]

We rarely "kill" the major antagonists

They either turn good or they go dormant

[foggy flint]

but for m+ it works as that's a 30 minute compromise, covenants are a bigger headache

[limber lion]

But anyways, any assassination boys in the chat

[pale fossil]

Yes. Also, the "this good guy you like has been mind controlled and is evil now" is an insanely lazy way to create emotional resonance with a fight, and my god have they done that a lot.

[limber lion]

Yep and planning to do that in 9.2 as well apparently.

[pale fossil]

[dull cloak]

arthas redeemed?

[limber lion]

More like Shadow Anduin goes nuts.

And then gets cured after a raid fight.

[pale fossil]

Especially since it's so predictable every time.

You just dread the silly inevitable fight.

[limber lion]

I'm actually really excited for 9.1 now.

I was actually quite bummed out by the sudden announcement, but it's growing on me now.

Glad to get some new content, finally get to raid seriously in a long time.

Anything is subject to change, we will get more tuning closer to the patch and during heroic week.

Hourly reminder.

[nimble tartan]

yeah same hella excited my interest level plummets immediately after prog

im big prog gamer i love that shit

[limber lion]

Me too man, me too.

[teal bloom]

Will you stream sanctum of domination progress Cev?

[limber lion]

Quite possibly, yes.

I need to sort the streaming setup out before prog starts.

[teal bloom]

Elite assa gameplay

[regal cape]

Forced to make a choice based on what Sims best for the largest pool of content you personally do. Instead of choosing the aesthetic you like:)))))

[limber lion]

I mean, you can honestly choose any covenant you want. No one is forcing you to play a covenant that is superior on the dps meters.

[pale fossil]

I got just a little taste of it and really want more in 9.1, but I gotta explore the guild recruitment life now.

[limber lion]

If you want to play a covenant that has cool transmogs, cool mounts and a cool setting, then all the power to ya!

[regal cape]

You can that doesn't mean the general populace at this point will

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

Remember to buy your cloaks for 9.1 boys.

The price might skyrocket when the patch drops.

[pale fossil]

Oh snap, good call.

[limber lion]

It's looking like the play and currently they are very cheap

Probably a pretty safe investment

[nimble tartan]

ohh true#

[limber lion]

But who knows what Blizzard comes up in 3 weeks

[pale fossil]

What if I buy up the market and resell them when 9.1 drops.

[limber lion]

I think some people are planning to do something of the sort

Monopolize the market.

[limber swallow]

whoa.. they actually announced the release date..

[limber lion]

Yep

[limber swallow]

Like.. I can stop pretending to like FFXIV...

[limber lion]

I was actually considering starting to play FFXIV

But I guess there's no need to anymore.

[tired jasper]

w8 new legy gonna be on cloak ?

[whole bluff]

Would have to buy a cloak for r5/6 anyway which are going to be expensive

[limber lion]

Doomblade on Cloak, yes.

[pale fossil]

Need the Domination Gem Slot on Hands (probably)

[tired jasper]

good point

[limber lion]

Pretty sure you don't actually make a new item for r5/r6 and you just upgrade the existing cloak with Soul Cinders.

At least currently (afaik) there are no rank 5 and rank 6 base items.

[whole bluff]

Oh really? That sounds nice

[limber lion]

Let me do some research, maybe they've added some after the fact.

[pale fossil]

I'm planning to farm Soul Ash but not build the lego yet because I remember hearing some talk that Dashing Scoundrel might be better?

[sick scarab]

dooblamde going on cloack right ?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[sick scarab]

and zoldick ?

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

Zoldick

[sick scarab]

😛

[spice spire]

It’s useful for M+

[limber lion]

Zoldyck for m+

Deathspike might pull ahead, not 100% sure yet.

[gusty mirage]

Sorry I giggle at pp jokes

[limber lion]

We'll have to wait and see.

[sick scarab]

i mean new slot for zoldick is ?

cant find that ffs

[limber lion]

Legs

[foggy flint]

not when it costs you your raid spot in a mythic guild. If you want to progress, you need to sacrifice personal choices. the same way that you don't meme with unpopular covenants for the world first race

[limber lion]

Exactly, but not everyone does mythic progression.

The majority never step into a mythic raid.

[gusty pewter]

so we will have to craft cloack doomblade?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[gusty pewter]

cost same soul ash?

[limber lion]

Yes.

We don't have the slot open yet

So you have to craft it when 9.1 drops

[weary marten]

what does justify the cloak doomblade ?

[shrewd night]

@balmy condor do me a favor, copy the entire text in the freshes pin, do the post yourself, then add what cev is going to dm you in two secs

[pale fossil]

Domination Gem slots @weary marten

[weary marten]

damn i didn't read anything about this

[spice spire]

Sounds like there’s some catch up to do

[limber lion]

Domination sockets, higher ilvl pieces are also a thing to note.

[balmy condor]

Anything is subject to change, we will get more tuning closer to the patch and during heroic week.

• Necrolord is looking like the current best choice for raiding and m+, even with the nerf to Deathspike. Venthyr is only slightly ahead in single target.

• Sylvanas dagger will be BiS. Just how bis, we don't quite know. We for example don't know if a heroic sylv dagger is better than a mythic non-sylv dagger

• A lot of things are still bugged/missing in the ptr and a lot of things have not been added to simulationcraft. We will add sims when they are ready and you can find them in the pins. It's safe to assume that the sims will not be ready before 9.1 releases, as many things are constantly changing and being tuned.

• Doomblade is looking to be the best legendary for raiding in 9.1. Craft it on a cloak. (LEGENDARIES ARE GETTING EXTRA SLOTS TO CRAFT ON IN 9.1 THIS IS ONE OF THEM) Dashing might also be good, will have to wait on sims.

• Zoldyck is the choice for m+. Deathspike nerf makes it not worth

[weary marten]

does the "socket" part means if you change the piece you lose you socket ? that's why it matters on cloak ? so you don't have to apply a new one for the all patch

[limber lion]

No, we only get domination sockets on 5 item slots

So we're forced to use those items that drop from the raid

We cannot add domination sockets on legendaries (at least not yet)

[long furnace]

is assasination doing more dmg in m+? is outlaw better because of utility?

[weary marten]

And gloves get a domination socket ? so they aren't wished to be Doomblade lego anymore ?

[scarlet spade]

How nice of them to make the sylvanas dagger bad.

[pale fossil]

It looks dope though.

[limber lion]

They do pretty similar damage (in 9.0.5) but Outlaw shines in utility, like you said. It just performs quite a bit better on most dungeons and is more versatile.

[scarlet spade]

Agreed it does look pretty nice

[limber lion]

Outlaw is getting a bit of a bump in 9.1 with the new Deathspike legendary though, so it's very likely that we'll see Outlaw as the dominating 9.1 m+ spec.

[long furnace]

thanks

[limber lion]

Correct!

[limber lion]

Np

[weary marten]

damn i only have 8500 soul ashes

need to craft SBS lego and dunno about another one

[limber lion]

I mean, you'll have 9.5k next week and then around 12k+ after that when 9.1 drops

You can craft any 2 legendaries to rank 4 right away when the patch drops

[spice spire]

Huge pins 🙏

[limber lion]

The Soul Cinders are time-gated, so no rank 6's for us

[long furnace]

you cant craft doomblade on a cloak right?

[weary marten]

yet

[spice spire]

Not until 9.1

[long furnace]

no way i just made mine and they gonna change it

[willow eagle]

Deathspike got nerfed so it's bad for outlaw now

[limber lion]

Not yet, they're adding a new socket in 9.1

[limber lion]

I doubt it's bad lol.

[spice spire]

Can farm ash infinitely in 9.1 so it’s kind of just whatever

[long furnace]

ok ok thanks

[willow eagle]

Check the top pin in #outlaw cev

[limber lion]

Welp

[spice spire]

New currency is the problem

[long furnace]

I wonder how strong the new gems are

[weary marten]

for real ?

i haven't craft a finality x)

[spice spire]

Yes but there’s a new currency for beyond 4 that will be the problem in crafting

That is gated

Catchup r4s are not

[limber lion]

Yeah, you can get all rank 4's the first day of 9.1 if you so desire

[weary marten]

that's good to know

[limber lion]

Don't recommend it though.

[long furnace]

if you are nuts 😄

[safe barn]

guys

wth are these dom sockets

[weary marten]

at least having a step ahead doesn't mean farming non stop on patch day

[limber lion]

But yeah, if we get an outlier legendary/slot, then it's easy to fix it

[limber lion]

They're new slots on gear that drops from the raid. You can socket some gems to get cool powers.

Using 3 of a kind will give you extra powers in the raid.

[spice spire]

New thing with 9.1. Currently a mess so once they’re a bit stabilized sims will reflect their HUGE DAM

[limber lion]

The gems themselves work outside of raid as well.

But they are very janky currently, so anything can happen.

[long furnace]

you guys think there are any bosses you would go outlaw in 9.1?

[limber lion]

Definitely! That's why I have 11k stored up as well

Just in case.

[limber lion]

No.

[weary marten]

yeah cuz we know how things go

nerfs and ups

[limber lion]

Venthyr Sub for some if you're a gamer

But Sin is a safe bet on every single raid boss.

[rich wren]

❌

[weary marten]

Blizzard

[long furnace]

sub is for the koreans 😄

[limber lion]

It's for the ST pumpers.

[balmy condor]

Sub is pog

[split grail]

Quick question: Is the Necro legendary the way to go now?

[weary marten]

i only HC and i have such bad players in my raid that i could play outlaw with an aoe optimization and one hand bind behind my back that i could still top the meter x)

[limber lion]

In what content?

In m+?

In raid?

[split grail]

Raid

[limber lion]

No.

[spice spire]

Hey we just pinned that info!

[limber lion]

We use Doomblade on cloak in the raid.

Zoldyck likely in m+, but we'll have to wait for sims.

[spice spire]

And by we I mean whispyr

[limber lion]

I wrote the pins

He did pin em, that's true.

:p

We're a powercouple after all.

[split grail]

On cloak? Hmm...I've had it on hands

[limber lion]

Same, but we have to recraft it in 9.1

(At least according to current info that we have)

[weary marten]

that's cuz Cloak isn't available yet

[limber lion]

Who knows, maybe we can add dom sockets on legendaries

[long furnace]

would make sense but its blizzard

[limber lion]

Yep.

[long furnace]

its a 9.1.5 feature for sure D:

[spice spire]

Unbeatable duo

[worthy heart]

deathspike on which slot will it go?

[limber lion]

Likely wrists because of dom sockets.

[worthy heart]

tyty

[nimble tartan]

omfg if its sub tier 🤤 🔥

[limber lion]

Probably still a sin tier.

Sorry omr.

[long furnace]

good i am a boomer I cant play sub

[nimble tartan]

[upbeat sandal]

btw wouldnt you want to craft Zoldyck on Feet because kel drops legs?

[limber lion]

Sub is a lot fun especially as Venthyr in 9.1

[spice spire]

No midmax this tier 😦

[limber lion]

No, because of Dom sockets

The dom sockets will very likely result in a bigger dps increase than a higher item level.

[spice spire]

[upbeat sandal]

ahhh yeah, so you are just out of luck 😄 . Yeah overlooked that ^^

[limber lion]

But we'll have to wait and see how they play out.

[gusty mirage]

You can dom my socket whenever you want @limber lion

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Can you dom mine oxi?

[gusty mirage]

I’m just waiting around for the smarter people to tell me how to play

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Me too

The smarter people do the hard work and I just echo their voice.

[sick scarab]

where we see gear wiht dom socket ? cant find it

[gusty mirage]

Big daddy @balmy condor about to be spittin the fax, just gotta wait for it

[balmy condor]

sim implementation though

[spice spire]

Back to the basement

[sick scarab]

tnx tnx 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I got a local SimC build I’ll sim for you supreme leader

[hardy wind]

i feel this in my bones and soul

[spice spire]

Local simc

Good luck waiting for a few hours!

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hell-yeah-destruction-chaos-gif-8718346

[nimble tartan]

wait does this mean dom sockets gonna go live where the gem get destroyed 👀

[gusty mirage]

Imagine having a potato that can’t sim like a BEAST

[limber lion]

Unfortunately it's looking like it

[balmy condor]

like that'll help

[limber lion]

pray for ion to fix it before launch

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

ion is on vacation after killing slg

[gusty mirage]

Why you gotta do me like that? @balmy condor

[limber lion]

You're better off working as his servant and bringing him food/drinks whilst he does the big boy stuff

[gusty mirage]

Idk if Koji will let me in his basement

[spice spire]

If he does your stuck homie

Forever

[gusty mirage]

Nah Koji has no use for me. I’m about as useless as a bible in a brothel

[late badge]

Wait we need to craft doomblade again but on cloak ?

[limber lion]

A handsome, wonderful, highly likable person, who can sort you out if you get into legal trouble? I don't see why not.

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[gusty mirage]

stop it

[late badge]

Guess i have to run torghast again

[limber lion]

Gotta run Torghast regardless because of the new currency and new ranks.

You'll get Soul Ash from running those anyways.

[late badge]

So its not necessary to run them before 9.1 ?

That's neat

[limber lion]

You can run some prior to 9.1 to stack up Soul Ash and insta-craft the legendary on the new slot when 9.1 drops

But I would honestly refrain from recrafting it instantly

And waiting for heroic balancing/tuning to happen first.

[pale fossil]

That's my plan. I'm farming a little just because I feel like I'll need it, but not crafting anything.

[nimble tartan]

im gonna preorder my legendaries like i did for tier 1

[late badge]

Alright that sounds like a good plan ty

[limber lion]

[nimble tartan]

get founders edition

[dull cloak]

i dunno about you guys, but im excited about grinding soulash to craft maw rattle

[nimble tartan]

lol dont have it already?

[limber lion]

Maw Rattle?

We can just use our mounts in 9.1 anyways

[frigid kestrel]

YES THE 📌 WAS RED TODAY!!!!!!

[limber lion]

[frigid kestrel]

God it’s been so long

[limber lion]

Yep, your boyo's have been hard at work

[willow eagle]

How's kyrian looking for sin in 9.1?

[frigid kestrel]

🗑

[limber lion]

Bad.

But, again

We don't have simc implementations of all of the new soulbind traits

So those can potentially spice some things up

Maybe.

Perhaps.

Maybe not.

[sick scarab]

i want fae power !! 🙂

not going to swap covenat

[limber lion]

Have at it!

Nothing's stopping you

[willow eagle]

Kyrian is surprisingly good on recent outlaw sims and fuu mentioned kyrian being good for sub st.
So was wondering how behind kyrian is vs other covenants for sin

[frigid kestrel]

Fae Blink with Necro Deathspike would be complete bliss for me

Then again, Fleshcraft be saving lives in keys

[limber lion]

Yeah, the soulbind trait implementations might change some things.

We'll just have to wait and see.

But it's unlikely that it'll pull ahead Necro.

[willow eagle]

Oh yeah, but if it's not far

[limber lion]

Same, I never use Fleshcraft though

[willow eagle]

Then kyrian might be a great tri-spec covenant

[limber lion]

I need to get better at it.

[spice spire]

Chad gamer doesn’t need defensive

[limber lion]

I just use the 4 other options I have at hand

[spice spire]

That’s true. We rogues are selfish lovers. Nice mechanic? Be a shame if I cloaked it

[polar timber]

so what slightly ahead when it comes to necro vs venthyr?

we talking less than a percent or

[limber lion]

Venthyr is like 100 ish dps ahead of Necro in single target, but Necro doubles that number in 2 targets.

And even more in 3+ and so on.

But, we're still waiting for 9.1 sims

the new soulbind traits might spice things up.

Just gotta be patient.

[polar timber]

ya i guess ill just stay venthyr for now

[limber lion]

It's a safe choice

You can do the quests to swap to Necrolord prior to the patch, just don't return the quest.

[polar timber]

well its new char so itll be easy to swap

[limber lion]

Ah okay, fair enough.

[polar timber]

main swap life

[icy edge]

Hey guys, I'm planning to swap to rogue as my new main in 9.1. Is venthyr still the go to and did legos change?

[next solar]

pins

[limber lion]

We default to Necrolord nowadays.

[icy edge]

Oh? that's an interesting take

[limber lion]

It's been the default choice for months.

[edgy tartan]

Just when I finish the Venthyr campaign after swapping from Necro.

Yay

[limber lion]

Venthyr is only better in pure single target and those are pretty rare.

[limber lion]

I mean, Necro has been the better choice for months now.

[icy edge]

Guess i'll get started on the necro campaign then.

[limber lion]

Make sure to get your renown up first before doing the campaign.

[icy edge]

I'm basically fresh 60, so i have like 3 or 4 renown

[limber lion]

Do the raid on all difficulties and the world boss.

And only then do the covenant campaign and weeklies.

Campaign and weeklies are guaranteed renown drops and because the frequency that you get renown gets lower the higher you go, you need to farm the renown from the sources that it's not guaranteed from first.

[amber mountain]

Yeah, keep an eye on the covenant display to watch when it shows that you ahve to progress the story to get more renown, that's the only time you should really push the campaign if you're looking to blast through as fast as possible

[limber lion]

Some people get stuck on like 29 renown because they did the campaign too early and get super unlucky with renown drops after that.

[rain mortar]

I dont really like outlaw, but I was just thinking about how the new necro leggo will go with outlaw in M+ and my god it is going to be filty

[amber mountain]

once everything else is exhausted, hit those campaign items every week

[limber lion]

It's honestly not too great apparently.

[rain mortar]

really? Im kind of shocked

[limber lion]

Because of the nerf, it's not going to see much play.

Honestly, same.

[rain mortar]

oh what nerf? I am dumb

[limber lion]

It used to shoot 3 bonespikes

[twilit hollow]

it was good, for like a week right?

[limber lion]

Now it only shoots 2.

[rain mortar]

ohhhh

[limber lion]

Yep, something like that.

[rain mortar]

lame sauce

they ruined it

[icy edge]

if its fun, it gets ruijned

[rain mortar]

wont get play on any spec now will it?

[limber lion]

It was busted because every charge flurried

[twilit hollow]

we arent lavender or blue class, we can't have nice things

[icy edge]

welcome to Activison 🙂

[limber lion]

Should have just changed the flurry feature

instead of bricking the legendary

[limber lion]

Maybe on sin, but not 100% sure yet.

We'll have to wait for sims.

[alpine latch]

So ...

Guess it's time to get them gems set up in simc yeah?

lol

[limber lion]

Patience, little one.

[dawn ivy]

there still needs to be tuning on the unholy gem set bonus

[limber lion]

We still need tuning on a lot of things.

[alpine latch]

We still need official notes as well

To know if things are changing

[limber lion]

The unique weapons, dom sockets/gems and much more

[alpine latch]

yeah

[dawn ivy]

theres no shot in hell they will allow the effect to have a higher uptime than actually gaining stacks for it.....

[alpine latch]

I'm considering trying to update our wowanalyzer profiles

Give back a little

Make it closer to being a quality chekc

[warm parcel]

sweet summer child

[dawn ivy]

that sounds like a man about to enter a labyrinth of pain

[alpine latch]

It's not hard. It's just time consuming

I'm a web developer. It's just finding the time to actually contribute

[limber lion]

Ye, a lot of stuff needs tuning, tuning that will probably never happen.

Have fun breaking your domination gems when ranking them up

[warm parcel]

Chief

I wont even socket a single one until we on the queen

or something

[dawn ivy]

the gems dont break anymore though

[limber lion]

Not a bad idea

[balmy condor]

there's a chisel you buy for 10g from a vendor

that allows you to just pop them out

[alpine latch]

^

[dawn ivy]

^

[limber lion]

[warm parcel]

for all I know the chisel will break the item

[limber lion]

Okay good shit

[thorny pond]

Deletes the item lol

[alpine latch]

You can also buy a "crappier" version of a dom socket item if you're just unlucky af and don't get one from raid

[limber lion]

For what currency?

[warm parcel]

10g

[alpine latch]

I knew you were going to ask that...

[limber lion]

So can't you just

[warm parcel]

oh lower gems

dno

[dawn ivy]

just another gold sink for bobby koticks pockets

[limber lion]

buy them

before going in to the raid

[alpine latch]

I don't know if it's Cinders or Knowledge

[limber lion]

Fully socket your gear with the low level dom sockets

before ever going in

[alpine latch]

Probably not

[limber lion]

I mean yeah

[alpine latch]

Unless you don't upgrade your leggo?

[warm parcel]

nono chisel was gold idno what the gems are

[limber lion]

you still need the dom items

[alpine latch]

Well, you need the gems that only drop in raid

[warm parcel]

also socket your items now

[alpine latch]

It's just the socketable item that you can get outside of raid (at a lower item level)

[warm parcel]

cause socket gone from venari in 2 weeks

[limber lion]

Yeh, get it done boys.

[alpine latch]

You buy sockets from the new chick

[limber lion]

Yeh, after you hit exalted

So

in like a month

[alpine latch]

Grind more bruh

[limber lion]

Tier is over in a month

[warm parcel]

well if youve got new lego now or sth

[alpine latch]

For you

I'm not a HoF guild

[warm parcel]

just so you wont get cucked come patch

[thorny pond]

Is it true the hunter bow is a leggo slot

[limber lion]

Doomblade cloak

[alpine latch]

My tier really gets started by time yours is done, lol

[limber lion]

The new slot is not available yet

It's available in 9.1

[dawn ivy]

@thorny pond legendary quality, not a shadowlands unique equip

[pale fossil]

Ok but will I be able to solo Legion content

[sand dirge]

Where is our smoke bomb

[alpine latch]

I assume we're still going haste/grit on Doomblade cloak

[spice spire]

Soon™️

[thorny pond]

Smoked it

[pale fossil]

Only Outlaw wants grit because of the whole Pirate/Cowboy motif.

[limber lion]

Yes, sir.

[limber lion]

Ask that question again in a year.

[nimble tartan]

ok ima need a tldr necro strat and cheese for council huntsman sire slg

[warm parcel]

press spike

do dam

profit

[nimble tartan]

ok but i need the STRATS

[dawn ivy]

for huntsman, be the first person at the shade, rupture it, spam mutilate until your hands bleed

[nimble tartan]

am i bonin dogs bro save for dogs what if gemstones procs before dogs bro

[dawn ivy]

also already have 4 bleeds on boss/dog

[limber lion]

Zoldyck for Council and SLG, Doomblade for Huntsman/Sire.
EP/Vig/CT on most, MFD on Huntsman.

[dawn ivy]

dont spike dogs

[limber lion]

Save CD's for the last 10% of Huntsman

Pray that your team dies so you're the only one blasting it.

[nimble tartan]

lmfaao

ok any umm weird cheese thing i think someone said about sire adds

u get more cp

p3

[limber lion]

Just spike everything

and you got it

[dawn ivy]

that will happen regardless

[nimble tartan]

ok

spike it all gotcha

so in multi u just always spike to spike or u still wait for stones after they already spiked

lmao nvm i just need to play with it

ima look at LOGS

[limber lion]

You spike everything that doesn't have a spike on em

Don't overcap cp

Use rupture/garrote/ct on everything

Donezo.

[nimble tartan]

so after they spiked u wait for stones?

[limber lion]

Yes

Making sure to use them if you're about to cap

So if you're at 2 charges and you notice one add about to die

[nimble tartan]

ok im downloading rules in my brain rn

[limber lion]

You throw one sbs out