assassination

[west cove]

zoldyck would still go legs in 9.1 rite?

[drifting cloud]

we dont know

[west cove]

what's variable how would we know

[drifting cloud]

how strong the sockets are, zoldycks might get a 3rd craft slot in todays ptr

theres high ilvl pants from KT

[modest jasper]

1. As a fellow Feral player, take my condolences.
2. Good speed on Sin, I am changing for next tier and it's honestly quite similar just feels better.
   You will miss the Higher movespeed though :P

[nimble tartan]

simply never loot boomie weapon

[twin stag]

Does fan of knives replace mutilate on two target cleave?

[limber lion]

No, we only use FoK on 4+ targets.

FoK can be used to spread poisons on 3, but we never use it on 2 targets.

[mighty hazel]

is this haste enough ?

[shrewd night]

You could, yaknow, sim yourself to figure out the optimal stat setup from your collected gear

[mighty hazel]

i will get crital strike or haste eat thats why i ask lol

[shrewd night]

Eat?

[limber lion]

There are no haste breakpoints or anything

You just need to sim yourself

Don't think we can make it any more obvious and bigger.

Caps lock and bold seems to be the limit on Discord, unfortunately

[mighty hazel]

food

[shrewd night]

You can. Yaknow. Sim that shit too.

[mighty hazel]

what is yaknow

[cobalt pelican]

lmao

[limber lion]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

This will sim all food/potion/oil/stone combinations.

[mighty hazel]

im using this ones

[limber lion]

Bruh.

[shrewd night]

[vital tapir]

That's vers iirc

But you know

[mighty hazel]

thats why i ask haste or crital but i just get crital now

[vital tapir]

You could just sim it

[burnt latch]

Im pretty sure this is bait

[mighty hazel]

what do you mean just sim it

[vital tapir]

Oh ffs.

[vital tapir]

.

[shrewd night]

I dont have any emojis to match my emotions right now.

[mighty hazel]

still didnt understand lol

[vital tapir]

[burnt latch]

this sums it up for me

[mighty hazel]

so you saying put 1 oil to weapon and other sharpening stone ?

and drink phantom fire boss fight

[livid linden]

Dont know about you, but im having carbonara today

[shrewd night]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-use-the-top-gear-feature-of-raidbots

Here you go

[limber lion]

Okay, let me walk you through it.

Ok Jigglypuff got it, just follow that guide.

[mighty hazel]

okey

my brain just explode

[mighty hazel]

i dont even know what this sim for i dont care what my top gear im still looting i just care consumables lol

[gusty kestrel]

just buy feasts for yourself

[mighty hazel]

its so expensive and when you die its gone

[gusty kestrel]

so you just bought the cheapest ones or, regardless what it gives

[limber lion]

Oh no.

[mighty hazel]

😄

[limber lion]

Safe bet is to just use feasts or crit food, it doesn't really matter that much.

[mighty hazel]

top players drinking this ones in youtube m runs

[shrewd night]

Oh no.

[cobalt pelican]

top players eat wheaties for breakfast

[mighty hazel]

xD

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[grave scroll]

ass is ass

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Brave of you to say in an ass channel

[sonic schooner]

[amber mountain]

I'll stick with my bagel this morning tyvm. Even parsing isn't worth cereal

For everyone playing in NA, may the Vault rngesus be good to you!

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Good luck boyos.

[spice spire]

Ty papa Cev. Best of luck in your dagger hunt in the next 24

[strange python]

We did it guys. We did layer 8 on our 160 ilvl assa rogue

Before reset

[spice spire]

HUGE gamer

[warped moon]

now get a towel to wipe off all that sweat

[strange python]

Torghast is a tragedy

Hahah

[limber lion]

Only got one box, but anything is possible.

[spice spire]

Pray for the 233
Still looking for a > 213 dagger here, one time

[strange python]

233 from raid or PvP?

[amber mountain]

You and me both, that or I need to get my M+ group to stop being afraid of 15s

[spice spire]

15s are ez with big dam. That being said last week and this week are less than ideal

[strange python]

You need a new group if they are scared of doing a key level 😅

[warped moon]

puggin on tyrannical weeks

[spice spire]

Praying for Cev to get a 233 from raid

I’m just looking to get a 226 myself

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

3 shots

[strange python]

m+ leggo after the deathspike nerfs?

Ah. Got ya now

[limber lion]

Who knows.

Numbers are not finalized yet.

[strange python]

You not a big pvp guy?

[amber mountain]

Hoping still deathspike

[spice spire]

Nop

Also tyrannical necrotic big week

[limber lion]

PvP

But yeh, would love nothing more than a 9.1 announcement and a dagger from the vault

Make my tomorrow morning Blizzard

[strange python]

Yeah it’s pretty toxic but a great way to get gear if you don’t mind selling your soul for a few weeks

[spice spire]

Would be a fairly large :patnut:

Fuck

[spice spire]

Eh, I’m 224 at this point with a 220 and 213 dagger it’s just unlucky

[alpine latch]

That's unlucky.

I'm 218. I haven't seen a single pair of shoulders drop, ever, so I put Doomblade on shoulders. When I run Zoldyck's I have a 197 pair of shoulders

[hazy crater]

Just get lucky

[spice spire]

True

Never thought of that one

[alpine latch]

I'm trying to not push hardcore and farm it because I'll have to farm in 9.1 anyway.

[scenic root]

Question on vendetta timings. Doing council. Because of the dance(happens at 4mins for us) my 3rd vendetta cast gets delayed 30/45 secs, then we lust at around 6mins. So either I hold vendetta for 1:30, or get it 30/45 secs after lust ends. Should I hold it or just use my IQD+shiv in lust and get an extra vendetta

[limber lion]

You need to make that choice yourself. The important thing is to not lose casts, even if it means not getting a Vendetta inside of a lust window.

[strange python]

Well best of luck!

[limber lion]

Meaning that I would honestly just slam the Vendetta and not get it inside of the lust

Instead of losing a cast because you want to sync it with Lust.

Holding for 1:30 is very rarely worth it for overall damage.

It's fine on Sire where you are forced to hold dps in p1 anyways

[scenic root]

Meaning I should slam IQD during lust and not bother syncing with the vendetta that's will come up after the lust phase

[limber lion]

Yes

You'll get one more cast of IQD + Vend sync towards the end likely

If not then that's fine as well, meaning that you won't lose casts.

It's quite minor minmaxing honestly

[scenic root]

We got to 8% pull at 9:35 so close :/

[limber lion]

Putting bleeds up on several waiters to funnel more into the boss will yield more damage than worrying about minmaxing vend/iqd windows.

Just press it on cooldown (as long as you get the full 20s value) and yoy're gucci

Same with the IQD

[scenic root]

Hate this fight so much.

[limber lion]

Same. It gets better with practice, but it's never fun.

Well you shouldn't really look at wipe parses

They don't mean anything.

Especially on prog

Just kill the boss

Who cares if it's a 99 or a 4

As long as the boss is dead

You'll get more loot in the future and come back, kill it faster and more cleanly

And parse better

[scenic root]

But if I preform better than that's better chance of a kill?

[willow eagle]

Sometimes performing better means getting a lower parse

[limber lion]

Sure if, but highly unlikely that you doing 5.8k dps vs 5.4k dps will make a difference in the end.

Doing your part and playing the fight right is the important thing

Killing attendants will yield lower overall dps

But will help you kill the boss

[willow eagle]

If a raid leader tells you to stop dps, it hurts your parse but you do the job

[limber lion]

Like holding dps is so garbage, but if it helps to kill the boss, why wouldn't you?

Don't put too much weight on progression parses my guy.

[spice spire]

乃ㄩㄒ　乃尺ㄖㄒ卄乇尺　爪ㄚ　卩卂尺丂乇

In all seriousness, yeah. Prog parses will never matter lmao

Would you rather be 5/10 with 100s or CE?

[alpine latch]

I'd rather have CE

[cobalt pelican]

5/10 with 100s tbh ez choice

[spice spire]

Toxic

I respect it, but disagree

[alpine latch]

I don't want 100% parses. I want room to improve while still playing at a high level

It's not like you're getting carried to CE with 20% parses

[real solar]

parsing on prog while getting CE is fun though :^)

[cobalt pelican]

plenty of people get carried to ce with 5% parses

[pale fossil]

I see you've seen my Sire parse

[spice spire]

Did you down? 👀

Knew you were on sire for a bit, if so congrats!

[frigid kestrel]

Shit we are still on SLG, that’s gonna be a big RIP for CE for us

[shy dust]

I don’t think getting a 20% parse means you got carried to CE

[frigid kestrel]

At least we will see Sire, but we won’t be killing that sum bitch

[frigid kestrel]

Def doesn’t

Shit we had a lock get a 99 parse on out Sun Kong kill, and it legit held us back in prog because he never bursted on the shield or boss. He just went ham and blew all his CD’s in adds the entire fight.

Like, tanks had more boss damage then he did

Parses don’t mean shit when your progging, just ducking kill the shit so we can get CE and then have fun parse runs for the parsers

[real solar]

Sun King doesn’t even contribute to all stars so it’s irrelevant

[lean coral]

week 4 in a row where my vault has an slg trinket

[dull cloak]

honestly thats a group issue

[lean coral]

T_T

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[scenic root]

Your getting raid loot in vault 😑

Lucky

[pale fossil]

Yup! We got him last week. 15% parse but we take those lol

[spice spire]

NICE

[strange python]

Pins don't look updated yet and I assume they will be before patch hits, but is necro the assumed meta? Aka: should I start leveling up necro?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[granite thistle]

Guys. Big Jinky needs help OwO

[cobalt pelican]

die

[spice spire]

Oh my

[strange python]

Some classes can't realistically get above that at this point on some bosses depending on strat and timings (slowpush slg with assigned cooldown)

[limber lion]

Ehh

I disagree

[loud trench]

You cannot cloak of shadows massacre on sire right

[cobalt pelican]

20% is a very low bar lol

[strange python]

A warlock who has to hold dgl and isn't seeding won't parse above 40 on sire, and that's assuming everything else goes right

[limber lion]

Even with dogshit cooldowns and slowpushing a 20% is very very low

[strange python]

Its really late into the tier

[granite thistle]

Does Necrolord Assassination give a shit about secondaries? Like, do I need more haste over crit or vice versa? Or is it a "Sim Yo Self" kinda thing still.

[limber lion]

Not in p3

[pale fossil]

You can in P2 only

[spice spire]

Not in p3

[loud trench]

Weird

[spice spire]

Fuck

[limber lion]

Haste generally, but yes, simnyourself

[granite thistle]

I got a phat vault ring

came with a hole

[spice spire]

Huge

[strange python]

I've done zero raid testing so far...how cleavey is 9.1 raid looking

(aka, can I get away without an outlaw set)

[limber lion]

[granite thistle]

yesSIR

[heavy coral]

How much haste/crit you guys rougly have

[pale fossil]

I mean, I pulled a 15% parse and wouldn't say I got carried (no bias ofc), but I also am under no illusion that I wasn't make a ton of mistakes. We had to stop DPS in both P1 and P2 and my CD timings were pretty bad for my overall damage, just helped in the context of the raid.

But also, who cares. As long as you didn't buy it, you still earned your CE haha

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, pretty much

unless you're

[limber lion]

What does it matter?

[cobalt pelican]

status

[limber lion]

Looks like a certain Outlaw rogue.

[cobalt pelican]

owie

[pale fossil]

I have 21% crit and 22% haste, for what it's worth, but you should be simming upgrades not aiming for a breakdown.

[granite thistle]

I have 28% crit 24% haste

[heavy coral]

Just to have a rough view of stats %

Compare mine to others

[alpine latch]

@limber lion IT HAPPENED!

226 Phial BABY LETS GO

[limber lion]

They don't matter, buuuuuut 22% haste and 30% crit personally

[limber lion]

Let's goooo

[alpine latch]

Went from no phial to the best... Hells yeah!

[heavy coral]

Seems like im around the same

[polar cape]

Rip luck for next tier

[spice spire]

HUGE BOY GAMER GRATS

[fallen arch]

49% MASTERY LEGGOOO

[granite thistle]

jesus

thats.. not good is it

LOL

[fallen arch]

I dont mind it for m+

[spice spire]

Where’s oshosi?

[fallen arch]

But for raids my parses could be better

[granite thistle]

It effects CT right?

[amber mountain]

226 shadowgrasp totem to go with my IQD is the only real upgrade in the vault today

[frigid kestrel]

It effects more then CT

[granite thistle]

Obviously

[spice spire]

Not small upgrade

[amber mountain]

Still running 213 daggers 😕

[granite thistle]

Just waiting for my 233 boys

Now that everyone in the guild has weapons, maybe its my turn

[spice spire]

I’m with you. 224 ilvl btw

Well 213 off hand haha

[amber mountain]

220 ilvl myself

[granite thistle]

I refuse to upgrade my current shoulders with valor until i get the ones from DOS

[raven vapor]

any reason high rio sin rogues are running mastery?

[granite thistle]

CT/Cleave

[spice spire]

Mastery bad for ST. Not horrible for cleave

[ruby birch]

Mastery is the Chad stat

[frigid kestrel]

Mast > Haste and Vers for M+ due to the way it affects Poisons and Bleeds. Once you hit around %30ish Crit you can start stacking Mastery.

Although you can pretty much run anything and still get similar results.

[strange python]

Okay quick question: on st I only use bone spike for the bleed application and not again after that right?

[ruby birch]

In gemstone windows

[spice spire]

You also use it during gemstone windows for thicc damage. You also don’t want to cap

[ruby birch]

You use it there

[spice spire]

Opener > gemstone windows > cap > don’t touch it otherwise

[raven vapor]

cool thanks for the info

[strange python]

Noob question incoming what a gemstone window

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=326572/heirmirs-arsenal-marrowed-gemstone

[strange python]

Oh

Didn’t know that’s what that was called

Ty

[spice spire]

Any time, bless up papi

[strange python]

What’s the reasoning for using it during the gemstone window

[spice spire]

GIGA damage

[polar cape]

To crit <.<

[limber lion]

SBS benefits from Seal Fate, so crits = more combo points = more damage

[spice spire]

It’s cheap way to earn CP and it deals a lot of damage

[limber lion]

The base damage is quite high as well

[frigid kestrel]

SBS Crits Hurt, they cost little to no energy (15 to be exact) and gives fast combo points

[strange python]

So the only reason you aren’t just slamming your SBS are to put them in that window yeah?

[frigid kestrel]

Ye

[spice spire]

Pretty much

[strange python]

Puzzle is connecting bois

Ty

[spice spire]

That and to not overcap, but you never should

[frigid kestrel]

Outside of Gem you just use it to dot an undotted target, or if your about to cap

[strange python]

So if I’m playing the defensive bind, feel free to generate on st with them?

[spice spire]

Just don’t play the defensive bind. Even emeni means you should stagger them for the agil buff

[strange python]

Got it. Thanks!

[frigid kestrel]

Gonna go home and sim DS for M+ just because. I’m stupid and just don’t understand why vigor is the play when we don’t seem to have an resource issues. To me, it just seems like DS would be free damage.

Or is the reason we don’t have resource issue is because of Vigor?

[spice spire]

I’m almost positive there.
The initial quad garrote seems more difficult to pull off without vigor ngl

[frigid kestrel]

Ye makes sense, but what about a triple and SBS ?

Idk, just spit balling

Like I legit am just throwing darts at a wall here

[limber lion]

At max energy you don't starve during the first 3 garrotes even with ds/mfd

The 4th one might be slightly delayed but not by much

[spice spire]

I think there’s no harm in trying things out. Sometimes things are lost in a sim - you can kind of science things out

[limber lion]

DS just feels awful to play

[frigid kestrel]

Ye it just seems or feels like you don’t even need vigor

[limber lion]

Buuuuuut

Each to their own

[frigid kestrel]

So DS is like free damage

[spice spire]

Hypothesize run x dungeons and see how it looks, and if it seems successful, keep trying and after a bit of trying, you might find that it does work better

DS feels so fucking Uber slow

[frigid kestrel]

True that

[limber lion]

MfD is technically better but it's a lot of work for little reward

[spice spire]

I feel like a zoomer saying that but like. I tried on sks and just couldn’t

[frigid kestrel]

Eww I don’t think I’ll ever play MFD

[frigid kestrel]

Ye I think I’ll test it out I’m a bunch of low 15 pug keys or something. DS does feel slow, but I’m assuming that once you get your bleeds going it won’t feel any different

[spice spire]

Worst case? You’re wrong and you learned. Best case? New meta

[limber lion]

Yeah, well not in terms of energy but you're still forced to use a lot more generators to build CP which results in fewer finishers abd ultimately makes it feel slower

[strange python]

What sim type do you guys use for M+

[limber lion]

The 1 extra combo point is a big deal.

[strange python]

would it be Dungeon slice?

[limber lion]

Dungeon Slice is perfectly fine for rogues.

Would also recommend simming something like 8 target targetdummy

40s

[strange python]

ok cool sweet

[frigid kestrel]

@balmy condor have you done/seen/heard and testing on DS > Vigor in M+? Before I waste my time even testing I want to make sure it’s not…. You know a waste.

[limber lion]

Just to get an idea on how it compares to DSlice

[limber lion]

Of course and you can too.

Just sim yourself in Dslice :)

[frigid kestrel]

I am once I get home, just wanted to get a expert sim guys input

I wasn’t asking him to do it
I wasn’t asking if he’s already done it

[strange python]

I hate running Deeper Strategem in m+ I just cant stand the energy slow

[frigid kestrel]

Sitting here being a nerd while I wait for this oil change to get done.

[shy dust]

EP/DS/CT

Embrace 30ish apm

[simple wadi]

I kinda love that combo

Especially as necro

[spice spire]

30ish APM in aoe/cleave

[alpine latch]

I hate when I'm rushing sims and then realize 4 minutes later I forgot a setting

[humble ginkgo]

should I make zoldyck or upgrade doomblade to max

[alpine latch]

Are you still raiding?

And what level is your DB now? 3?

[humble ginkgo]

210

yea im raiding but im learning sin so

will most likely keep raiding as outlaw for a bit

until I am comfortable enough

[brave steeple]

dont upgrade doomblade

gonna have to remake it in 9.1 on cloak

[alpine latch]

Soul Ash is infinitely farmable in 9.1

So "saving" SA is just about saving an hour of your life farming Torghast more than anything else

[hybrid cosmos]

hey guys, is there any information on the effect of stacking the new sylvannas daggers "Edge of Night"? does it work at all?

[brave steeple]

if u can craft an entirely diff legendary now vs gaining like 30 dps for upgrading DB from 210->235 its probably worth it gameplay wise imo

[humble ginkgo]

what the fuck

all those council and inerva piece

I passed on

is music sheet really that good

I dont think I will ever run it

[brave steeple]

im pretty sure its practically pretty bad it just sims well

[tulip nacelle]

yeah macabre sucks

[humble ginkgo]

okay glad

but I didnt know I needed that inerva and the chest/feet from council

[tulip nacelle]

I mean

it's crit haste pieces

[humble ginkgo]

yea but I didnt know I would play sin ever

so I just passed them and rolled them out

[limber lion]

Rip

The only upgrades I have are from Sire.

Norhing excites me anymore.

[vast forum]

it's better than having a 226 m+ trinket as the only upgrade

[humble ginkgo]

true

[hollow river]

Sounds good to me rofl

[brisk orchid]

What's the general consensus on 9.1 with covenants? Are they still really close or is there a go-to one? Currently play a lot of Outlaw for M+ with Necro but assuming I'll be playing a lot more sin in 9.1

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[tulip nacelle]

probably necro

[brisk orchid]

Sweet, that's pretty convenient then haha 😄

[hollow river]

Yeah so far necro looking fine

[granite thistle]

Wasn't there a spreadsheet for what rogues can do or cant do on sire mechanics?

[brisk orchid]

yeah

[granite thistle]

Can someone lead me to it

ty

[brisk orchid]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[limber lion]

:)

[scenic meteor]

necro still the play for 9.1 sin?

despite the nerfed leggo

[hollow river]

Looking like it, yes

[scenic meteor]

anyone know if its possible for me to upgrade from a 225 piece straight to the new 9.1 ranks without upgrading to 235

[spice spire]

Unsure; however, soul ash is still used for r4. And soul ash will literally be infinite

[scenic meteor]

in 9.1?

because of 80% increase

[spice spire]

Because soul ash floors will be repeatable and still drop (albeit less) soul ash

[scenic meteor]

ah nice

[limber lion]

Who knows how anything works

[scenic meteor]

i just dont want to spend all my gold on a 235 piece if in 9.1 i can skip it

[limber lion]

But 9.1 could be a month away

Or 2

Or a week

If you don't wanna risk it, don't

It's not a mega giga upgrade

It's like 20 dps

[scenic meteor]

🙂 thanks

[polar cape]

Could really use a salvage dust thingy to recraft lego i dunno <.>

[scenic meteor]

i have doomblade 235 and zoldycks at 225

[sonic schooner]

rank3 andy

[limber lion]

That would make too much sense.

[warm parcel]

Or 4 months

Or 8

Or 11

Or a year

[vestal wren]

ptr update probably gives us more information

so far we havent seen a release candidate

[floral vale]

Does the MA talent buff increase crit chance for trinkets?

[tulip nacelle]

no

[humble ginkgo]

how would you play M sludge as sin?

do you hold cds

for first pillar

and do they allign well

[pale fossil]

On Mythic, you want to Vendetta early on pull so it's up for 2nd and 4th pillars, because on Mythic you generally Lust on 4th pillar.

[spice spire]

Mythic is pull - 2 - 4.
You can do your first shiv, hold second shiv for every pillar

[plain thistle]

for first pillar you can do 2 shivs: pull > shiv > shiv > shiv-pillar > shiv > shiv-pillar > ...

[spice spire]

I actually didn’t know on pull you could do three total (including pillar) :0

[plain thistle]

but yeah, vendetta/trinket/flaggelation on pull, 2nd and 4th pillar

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

You actually use 2 Shiv's in the beginning, but 1-1-1-1-1 after that

[spice spire]

Cev farming messages again

[plain thistle]

nononono can't farm message answering things that are already answered

[spice spire]

Somebody stop this mad lad

[plain thistle]

[warm parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfl8fgF7HLM
for context incase yall not seen it

[gloomy knoll]

any1 know when pandemic for rupture starts

like exact timer

wanna put a glow on my wa

[warm parcel]

30% of the new ruptures duration

[gloomy knoll]

so 7.2ish

ty

[mighty hazel]

what is this i couldnt find lol

[gloomy knoll]

vantus rune

[mighty hazel]

i can only select 1 boss all week ?

[spice spire]

Yes

[mighty hazel]

so interestin lol

buut you cant use augmenting rune when you use vantus ?

[plain thistle]

you can

[scenic root]

No you can use both

[mighty hazel]

ahh okey then nice

[plain thistle]

vantus lock when you kill the boss with vantus if I remember correctly

[mighty hazel]

should i select sire ? lol

[scenic root]

Are you fighting sire?

[mighty hazel]

i will do 10/10 today for week

[scenic root]

Heroic or mythic? Heroic, shouldn't need to use vantus rune. Mythic probably best to pick your teams hardest fight.

[mighty hazel]

heroic

[spice spire]

Well if xuey just does heroic this week, then yeah sire probably

[mighty hazel]

when i see sire i will click him and then click vantus ?

[gloomy knoll]

yea basically

[mighty hazel]

okey

[scenic root]

Yes, you target before fight and it's a cast

[mighty hazel]

okey thx for help

[slim jolt]

At what % haste do you look to do into DS instead of Vigor?

[shy dust]

when it sims higher

hard to say an exact %

[vestal wren]

legendary and covenant choice can impact it too

[mighty hazel]

ah also for raid both weapons shadowcore oil ?

[sonic schooner]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

Generally sin uses stones and agi pots everywhere because they are more consistent.

[mighty hazel]

i see

[mighty hazel]

peoples mostly using crimson tempest but im in heroic so it wont change anything if i keep poison bomb ?

[sonic schooner]

Depends on the fight 🤔

[alpine latch]

My understanding is - ST is Doomblade and Poison Bomb, 2+ targets is CT, 4+ targets is Zoldycks

And if that's wrong, expect me to be corrected ASAP

[limber lion]

3+ for Zoldycks.

But that's for sustained 3t and we don't have that in CN

In Heroic it's safe to play Doomblade on every single boss

There's no need to swap.

[limber lion]

Not really. CT is quite a bit better on some fights (Huntsman, SLG, Sire, SKS) but it's not essential.

[alpine latch]

See? Corrected right away. lol But close

[sacred isle]

Best way to get correct information on the internet is making a false statement 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I just ask Cev cuz he’s a smartie pants

[sonic schooner]

🧠 👖

[visual prairie]

brainjeans

[spice spire]

That’s true

[alpine latch]

What is Cev isn't even the right Ceverion

And he's just making it all up as he goes along and hoping he's right

And since he's Cev, no one questions what he says

[tulip nacelle]

[limber lion]

11hours till vault

So how are my assassination homies doing on this fine evening?

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[nimble tartan]

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

[spice spire]

[regal cape]

Is 809 haste too much. It sims highest for my given gear, but god damn that much seems like a meme

[pale fossil]

Never too much.

[idle shard]

hey guys is bonesmith the bis soulbind for AOE too?

[pale fossil]

@idle shard Sim it. I think Emeni sims better for some people in Dungeon Slice.

[gusty mirage]

Bonesmith is indeed the best soulbind for assassination

Because we all Stan gemstones

[pale fossil]

^Truuu

[idle shard]

😮

aight ty

[regal cape]

Scaling

[pale fossil]

Not enough Mastery

[gusty mirage]

[regal cape]

Between my 7 rings, 3 pants and I could slap on this. But it doesnt sim higher, to have more :v)

[dull cloak]

I'm no longer 0 mastery gang

[pale fossil]

Welcome

To the Most Regal Signet Gang

[solar trail]

Why do you not "consider seal fate procs for generate/finish decision making"? With over 25% crit, mutilate generates 3 combo points more often then not... in which case shouldnt you be using finisher (over mut) on max-2?

Wasted energy on finishers vs wasted combo points I guess

[vast forum]

but it doesn't generate 3 more often than not...

[plain thistle]

both mutilates need to crit once for you to lose 1 combo point

its not better

[hollow river]

The new affix mobs change every week o:

[solar trail]

with mutilate hitting twice, doesnt just 1 need to crit to get 3 combo points (losing that 1)?

[plain thistle]

each hand crit independently

basically each mutilate can: can crit once = 3 combo point, or twice = 4

[vast forum]

if you have 25% crit chance

[solar trail]

25% crit is mut = 2.5 combo points on average then correct?

[vast forum]

you have 6.25% chance to get 4 CP, 37.5% chance to get 3cp and 56.25% chance to get 2 CP

yes, it averages at 2.5

[balmy condor]

yes

2 base, 25% for 1 (0.25), 25% for the other 1 (0.25), 2.5

[vast forum]

but it's weighted because of the double crits which are an overcap anyway

[solar trail]

oh i gotcha. not thinking about compounding probability. once you get to a 50% chance of 3cp, would you stop using mut at max-2?

or i should say, when the chance of getting 2cp is less than 50% (which would be roughly 30% crit)

[spice spire]

Big upgrade this week.
220 OH

[limber lion]

9 more hours until vault :'(

[spice spire]

My heroic sire weapon is an omen

I’ll sac a week for the 233

[gusty mirage]

I got a 226 flayedwing toxin

[spice spire]

That was actually an option for me too

The 220 was a bigger upgrade

[gusty mirage]

I took the stygia

[spice spire]

Almost 225 now

[gusty mirage]

big daddy quake

[spice spire]

220 weapons GIGA

[gusty mirage]

makes sense, flayedwing kinda sucks donkey balls and the dps increase from the higher ilvl wep dps + stats

[spice spire]

One day

I also had a 226 arachnid ring option

But I already have a 223

Unlucky

[west geode]

Stygia. How much I need an offhand weapon

[modern heart]

dont tell me what to do

we can share

where were you when TBonCD was made?

[maiden cave]

Guys, I hear people talking about having other covenants "ready" in case they wanna swap to them later, how do you do that? Like after getting renown to your active covenant to 40 how do you get it for others?

🤔

[modern heart]

you swap covenant and level it

[gusty mirage]

Don't get other covenants ready unless you have literally nothing else to do

Renown is stupid easy to catch up on now, and it'll be even easier in 9.1

[maiden cave]

Oh i see, well that solves it then, thanks for the input guys

[limber lion]

I was hoping to see something cool in the patch notes so we could see more activity in here.

But guess not.

[dawn ivy]

max says theyll release date tomorrow for sure

[limber lion]

🤞

[silent fossil]

less activity = less questions about pinned information though

[limber lion]

I'd take questions about pinned stuff over a wasteland any day.

[ancient kraken]

what leggo is best?

[tulip nacelle]

is 23% mastery too low for slg?

[ancient kraken]

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Trying to unethically farm posts in discord

[limber lion]

Ez.

[spice spire]

Someone stop him

[limber lion]

Nah it's just sad to close the chat and open it 4 hours later

and not a single new message has been posted.

Okay, that's a bit too exaggerated.

[silent fossil]

i could @ you each hour on the hour for the next 12 hrs of my shift if you want

[limber lion]

Probably feels like 4 hours when I open the chat 20 times an hour.

[limber lion]

:D it's okay.

[tulip nacelle]

multispec

[flat kiln]

Would you guys recommend losing 16 slot item levels to use zoldyck over doomblade on SLG?

[limber lion]

Well, you would have to sim it honestly.

[balmy condor]

If shiv is coming up in 7.3 seconds and I have 37% mastery and am playing tiny toxic prepull with dashing and pelagos, but the pelagos orbs will spawn in 8 seconds, give the fact that I can grab an orb every 1.3 seconds, should I kill myself

[limber lion]

But ehhhhhh maybe not.

[limber lion]

[ancient kraken]

[silent fossil]

is tricks good in the patch?

[limber lion]

Okay I was wrong

The wasteland was better

[spice spire]

Imma need you to hop off the TL chief

[limber lion]

Ya'll were right.

[balmy condor]

Yo I’m just a fair and honest rogue looking for min maxing tips

Smh

[scenic root]

I can give logs to review if you are that bored

[limber lion]

Hit me.

[spice spire]

Do you mutilate the bears though?

[scenic root]

./slap

Now what?

[limber lion]

Watch a video guide or something idk

I'm sure those are great and up to date.

[spice spire]

Now that’s toxic

[gusty mirage]

how much haste do I need to run DS???

[scenic root]

I DMd you them

[limber lion]

34% TO RUN DEEZ NUTS

[gusty mirage]

GOT EM

[limber lion]

Alright, let's see what we have here

oh no Council logs

[scenic root]

Poggers

I know, hate to see em

[balmy condor]

@limber lion how many bleeds do I put up when I aoe the things in single target prio damage?

Big logs?

[scenic root]

Almost 300 pulls, but got 8% this week. So something I guess

[spice spire]

How many times have you been asked that whisp?

[gusty mirage]

76

[limber lion]

smh you should probably read the pins bruh

we have assa cf's working hard to write out pins

[balmy condor]

I get…. A lot of stupid questions

[limber lion]

and people don't read em

sigh

[gusty mirage]

!rougememes

[spice spire]

You just answered one GET FARMED

[harsh anchor]

Aren't pins what you use to write on paper

[silent fossil]

@limber lion https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6kcpFdYyaqmR7Mr9#fight=51&type=damage-done on a scale of 1-10 how much of a scum am i here

more council logs 🙃

[gusty mirage]

you're at least a 4 for the upside down smiley face

[limber lion]

Not enough.

[silent fossil]

:(

[spice spire]

First thing I see, top damage for CT on waiters

[limber lion]

Gotta beat the boomie for maximum scum.

[gusty mirage]

229 ilvl

what the fuck

I'm going to tweet @Warcraft and if they don't give you a 233 weapon I'm going to sue them @limber lion

[limber lion]

Yeh Luna is one of the few with like a bis setup, excluding Phial

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

In 8 hours, fo sho

[scenic root]

ew got flayedwing in vault

[gusty mirage]

Same

[spice spire]

You reclearing again this week Cev?

[limber lion]

Yeh, probably only doing 4 bosses though

[gusty mirage]

you mean you got stygia in vault

[limber lion]

Only getting 1 choice at the vault again

[spice spire]

Also third flayedwing gamer

[spice spire]

But you’re killing sire again

[scenic root]

other option is verse/crit boots but i have the boe crit/haste

[limber lion]

Oh no, I'm scared of getting Flayedwing

[balmy condor]

Y’all have choices in your vault?

[vital tapir]

@limber lion how much mastery is the breakpoint?

[spice spire]

I chose a heroic sire weapon

[scenic root]

thats how i feel doing mythic prog for 2 months now

[spice spire]

Is that an option?

[gusty mirage]

yeah I had stygia or 70g

[void pecan]

Am I trolling if I dont switch to necro? Especially if I do m+ as outlaw + raid as sin?

[gusty mirage]

kind of

are you currently fae?

[limber lion]

:(

[vital tapir]

what about haste?

[limber lion]

You probably, definitely, maybe should switch to Necro.

Perhaps.

[alpine latch]

When you say you raid.. Are you in an AotC guild? Mythic prog guild? CE?

[void pecan]

Casual mythic

[alpine latch]

If you're in a guild that gets AotC and just does a bit of Mythic, your choice means literally nothing

You're not getting benched for not being the right stuff

[void pecan]

On a dead alliance cluster

[urban thistle]

[limber lion]

Just play whatever makes you happy.

Necrolord makes me happy.

[silent fossil]

but if you’re necro you can shoot boners at people

[limber lion]

bonerspikers

[alpine latch]

Shit Cev.. I'm sooo close to 6400 sims 😦

[limber lion]

Soon!

[alpine latch]

6394

I bet if I re-gemmed I could get it

[limber lion]

Yeah, you should try simming gems.

[balmy condor]

Just input the secret launch codes

[scenic root]

if you went mechagnome you could get it

[void pecan]

I'm venth currently, from nf, now the plague is calling me..

[limber lion]

That's the usual patch Ganandor.

[balmy condor]

Venthyr m+ YIKES

[void pecan]

Right? Lmao

Thats why I asked.

[limber lion]

I went NF - Venth - Necro - Venth - Necro

[void pecan]

I don't PUSH but casual 18s like you

[limber lion]

Necro is bae, even in low m+

Necro is bae everywhere.

[void pecan]

Well. Shit.

[limber lion]

Good thing the renown only takes like 1-2 days, so it's not too bad.

[spice spire]

Sudden fractures 🥜

[limber lion]

The campaign makes me want to end it all

But other than that it's not too bad

[void pecan]

Is that with all content + campaign?

[alpine latch]

Yeah, if I could swap for free, I'd definitely use my down time to get them all up .. But no point if I lose DPS when we're still raiding.

[void pecan]

Felt like it took me eons to get 40 when I went to venth

[alpine latch]

@limber lion Have you done much on the PTR? Because I have what may be a genius idea or one of the dumber things you've heard.

[scenic root]

boots simmed .5% higher for outlaw, we take those gains

[alpine latch]

You can socket a legendary, right?

[limber lion]

I've done some, we like to keep up to date on new things.

Did raid testing as well on HC/Mythic

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[alpine latch]

Will upgrading remove the socket?

[limber lion]

No.

[balmy condor]

No

[alpine latch]

IE, is it worth grinding out for rank 5/6?

To make sure they are socketed

[limber lion]

We don't know if you can add a dom socket yet though

[alpine latch]

Yeah, but the sockets from Venari only work for 9.0 gear

[limber lion]

That's true

[alpine latch]

Which means you can't socket a rank 5/6 legendary, only rank 1-4

So if that's the case, it's in our best interest to make sure they are all have sockets before 9.1

[teal bloom]

Raid leader of our aotc guild left, I just want to slam shiv on cd in sanctum of domination but this doesn't look good

[limber lion]

That's a good point honestly. I might have to grind out some stygia in preparation for 9.1

damn it.

[scenic root]

assuming you can put 9.1 socket stuff on r1-4 legos

[drowsy parcel]

arent 9.1 sockets farmable in torghast or something

or am i mixing it up with something else

[scenic root]

they have small chance to drop in the secret area of torghast if you get a 5 star run or something like that

[void pecan]

Oh yeah, they're changing snoreghast again

so it has ranks..

[drowsy parcel]

just farm it

[limber lion]

Yes, but you still need to get your Korthia reputation up before you can use them.

You can get the item to socket the items, but you need to be exalted to use em

[alpine latch]

Sorry man. I don't know why but I just thought about it.

[drowsy parcel]

right

whats the timeline on that if you minmax

[alpine latch]

It may mean that if you don't get a socket now, you can't get it moving forward.. Which would honestly suck ass

[limber lion]

I doubt that's the case. Ven'ari and the Maw will probably stay the same

And the legendary will probably be counted as a non-seasonal item

meaning that you can still socket it in 9.1

But who knows

[alpine latch]

I know it's not an astronomical difference missing a single socket, but it would still possibly suck

[limber lion]

Blizzard do some weird janky stuff sometimes

[rose pawn]

whats the best legendary for pve and pvp?

[limber lion]

Definitely.

[limber lion]

Doomblade for raids, Zoldyck for M+, ask #pvp about pvp. But probably Doomblade/MA for PvP.

[alpine latch]

PvP is doomblade on gloves, crit/vers

I know that one, lol

[void pecan]

It's done. I am a boner spike lad.

[alpine latch]

maybe haste vers

It's vers something, and gloves

[limber lion]

Welcome. You've made the right choice.

[void pecan]

Should I campaign first then do all the other shit/

for maximum renoun farm

[limber lion]

No, you do campaign and the weekly quests last.

You unlock your soulbind, then you do LFR-Normal-Heroic

After that you do World Boss

Then the campaign

Then the weeklies.

That'll get you to around 31+ renown, which is the requirement for Heirmir's Gemstone.

[void pecan]

Okie

[weary loom]

how much haste should be fine for SIN?

[scenic root]

@limber lion should know the answer to that

[limber lion]

Ah the old classic.

How much haste do we really need?

The age old question.

[drowsy parcel]

[limber lion]

I wonder where, oh where, we could find answers to that question.

Oh look, what is that?

[alpine latch]

Interesting. Eternal Skirmish is simming better for me than Stats. Is that a trap?

[limber lion]

No, it's been simming quite a bit higher for me for a long time as well.

[balmy condor]

Not really, it’s better single target

[alpine latch]

Interesting.

It's not much, just a few DPS

But upgrades are upgrades

[limber lion]

I don't really care about swapping enchants, so I just run Sinful + Cele on weapons and Skirmish on chest.

Some people swap Lightless Force and Eternal Stats for m+ but eh, it's not really necessary

[alpine latch]

yeah, eff that. I'm not swapping every raid night, lol

[limber lion]

Yeh, me neither. Minmaxing dps for m+ is just not needed whatsoever.

[alpine latch]

Agreed. We had multiple 60k wipes this week

Everyone picking up an extra 5-10 DPS for "free" would have gotten us the kill

[limber lion]

Or having 0.01% more uptime on the boss.

Or pressing one more ability before doing a mechanic

Or actually using skills whilst dealing with a mechanic.

I have a friend who literally stops everything that he's doing when he gets a mechanic that he has to deal with

Like he only does DPS if there's nothing else going on

[weary loom]

i do have 13% rofl ( olaw stats )

[limber lion]

You might probably want a bit more, but it's not honestly the end of the world either way.

But you should sim it.

[frigid kestrel]

Where was all this action when i was bored getting a Oil change?

[limber lion]

I know right. I was mindlessly opening up Discord like 10-20 times an hour to check to see if something was going on, but there was barely any action.

[dawn ivy]

i got helm/cloak/boots last night from raid and dropped a % of haste, now im only at 29%

[limber lion]

I'm at around 21% haste or something.

It'll probably jump a bit when (if) I get the Sire ring.

[dawn ivy]

being above the DR when i already knew i had too much haste was so akward

and sims pushing me for more haste every item i got was so weird

my crit is still so cringe, only 20%

[limber lion]

Yeah, my stats were so good when I was Venthyr

My crit and haste were basically equal, except I had 3 crit rating more than haste.

Just to get IQD to proc crit during lust.

[dawn ivy]

maybe playing rogue from beginning of this next tier ill have a larger pool of potential gear to mix and match

[limber lion]

I think the new raid items are crit/haste heavy

So that's pretty sick I guess.

Can't wait to DR both by only getting raid pieces.

[frigid kestrel]

DR the living shit out of Haste/Crit and full Gem Mast

[limber swallow]

maybe there's enough haste where DS won't feel slow

[limber lion]

DS will by design feel slow

We use a lot less finishers because we have to build more

Even in 3T where you have infinite energy and you're at energy saturation, you'll feel sluggish because you have to use 2-3 mutilates every time.

[limber swallow]

yea, I guess I could see that, even w/high crit, you're going to use 2

[limber lion]

Yep.

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[limber lion]

[plain thistle]

[humble ginkgo]

can someone take a look at my first mythic kill as assa?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/frDVTN9zFqJw7aL8/#fight=last&type=damage-done

I think I did opener okay

[limber lion]

I'm going to bed now, but if no one checks them out you can just dm me and I'll look at em tomorrow.

But surely someone is willing to give it a peek :')

[spice spire]

I assume sbs on Prepull? This is a much better opener either way

Other than that, 0 missed CP, 8 whole energy wasted, and no missed CD casts? Looks good without looking at the minuscule things

[humble ginkgo]

yes

idk why it doesnt show

I sbs at 1 second when people are throwing their shit

[humble ginkgo]

then why only 50 parse

[plain thistle]

dont

[humble ginkgo]

I literally sbs'd when the boss was aggrod

lol

[plain thistle]

sbs is super fast, you will pull before the timer

[humble ginkgo]

I have the vod

[plain thistle]

well, if your guild pull at 1 then ok

[floral vale]

!oils

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[floral vale]

ty 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[burnt star]

did i miss the secret memo

blizz fix the pot swaping cheese

cant pre-pot with theo and switch to nadja anymore

it removes the pot

[balmy condor]

yes

that got hotfixed last week

[burnt star]

didnt see it in the note

was i blind. or was it hidden

[balmy condor]

wasn't a written hotfix

[burnt star]

figures

[humble ginkgo]

whisp

[balmy condor]

ye

[humble ginkgo]

may you look at my log

[hollow river]

Got a weapon sphere in my vault and was like

Wrong weapon sphere /:

[clear shadow]

when i open from stealth i usually mutilate slice and dice mutilate right?

what if i get a ambush proc

do i ambush instead of the 2nd mutilate?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[balmy condor]

maybe later

[humble ginkgo]

👍

[grizzled rock]

should i swap covenants guys from, venthyr to necro ?

[shy dust]

If you wanna

It’s better for outlaw

Venthyr is looking better for sub in 9.1

Both are fine for assa

[grizzled rock]

i think stat wise what seems to be the best?

really searching throudh reddit seeing many types of comments

so i thought i;d stop by and ask here

[subtle gyro]

pretty sure that necro assa is the play here, with alot of multi target encounters in the next tier

[grizzled rock]

ok

ty

anyone else care to share anb opinion

?

[balmy condor]

I agree with the others

stat wise we'll always say sim yourself

[grizzled rock]

what settings do i choose to sim covenant? on top gear that is?>

[humble ginkgo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/frDVTN9zFqJw7aL8#fight=3&type=damage-done @civic trellis

[balmy condor]

there's an entire section underneath your gear for it

[grizzled rock]

ok ill watch a video then on that

ty

[balmy condor]

a video?

[grizzled rock]

on how to set it up

or shouldi only change the covenant one?

[balmy condor]

you just select the soulbind you want

and it sims

[grizzled rock]

oh

😛

[subtle gyro]

its literally right there 🙂

[desert inlet]

Theotar potion cheese hotfixed on live? :(

[balmy condor]

last week, yes

[civic trellis]

Does Maim, Mangle sim better than the shiv one for you?

[humble ginkgo]

I just put it in because it sounded good

actually inting

I will sim it after

rip

[spice spire]

wait

[desert inlet]

rip

[civic trellis]

XD

[spice spire]

you ran maim mangle?

bruh

[humble ginkgo]

Yea

LOL

[spice spire]

smh

[humble ginkgo]

I had no clue

[spice spire]

that's like 5th best LMFAO

[humble ginkgo]

oh rip

[civic trellis]

And you are moving too early in the aoe thingy

[humble ginkgo]

yea ig just more uptime

[balmy condor]

lmao

maim mangle

worst conduit

poggers

[civic trellis]

you hide for like 0.5 secs, you are hiding for 3 secs

[humble ginkgo]

yea I had 0 clue tbh

[civic trellis]

also you can dps the boss while he is at the middle idk if you did that

until he pushes you out

rota is ok imo, cp is ok, bleeding uptime is ok

[humble ginkgo]

I almost dropped a rupture once

bc I greeded for another env during shiv

should I always go for 3 env during shiv?

if so should I pool energy before doing it?

[civic trellis]

iirc @balmy condor said it was a small dps increase

[humble ginkgo]

okay

[civic trellis]

energy pooling

[balmy condor]

we don't care about envenoms in shiv window

[civic trellis]

and trying to overwrite env buff in pandemic was also a small dps gain

[humble ginkgo]

Oh okay

I thought always try to get 3

but rlly feels impossible

sometimes

[balmy condor]

if you get 0 that's fine

[humble ginkgo]

fr?

[balmy condor]

yeah

who cares

[humble ginkgo]

ur fucking with me lol

[balmy condor]

no

I'm not

[humble ginkgo]

dont you do more dmg with the env when they are in the shiv window?

[balmy condor]

the only condition for shiv is that rupture is currently ticking on the target

[humble ginkgo]

oh okay

[balmy condor]

the amount of shivs and stuff

is whatever

[humble ginkgo]

I thought it was bad to reapply dots in shiv window bc you want more env

but I see

[spice spire]

No, just CT. Other bleeds should be maintained for energy regen

[balmy condor]

its always better to reapply rupture in shiv than to let it drop

[humble ginkgo]

ye

[balmy condor]

is also always better to reapply ct in 2 target than to let it drop

[ancient peak]

zoldyc is about 100 dps in p3 sire over doomblade right?

[balmy condor]

something like that yeah

I remember it being more

maybe 200?

[manic pebble]

weird question but does mind numbing poison affects bosses?

a guy in a raid told me to use it

[woeful juniper]

I think it does, but it doesnt stack with the WL debuff. But dont quote me tho.

[manic pebble]

interesting

[drifting cloud]

it stacks

[manic pebble]

and people says rogues don't bring utility to the raid

xd

[woeful juniper]

shroud is best utility dont let anyone tell you something else

[balmy condor]

it works on the attack speed, and it stacks

[pale fossil]

Yeah it does.

It actually helps a ton on Sire, not sure if it's impactful on other bosses.

@balmy condor Wanna look at logs for me?

❤️

[hollow oasis]

hey! returning player here! with 9.1 changes and gear, is it safe to buy my lego now? or should i wait? not planning on doing high end content until 9.1

[balmy condor]

doing a twisted corridor

[balmy condor]

should wait

[hollow oasis]

ok, thanks!

[kindred crescent]

so whats with this tricks of the trade in 9.1

[balmy condor]

pvp change

[glad mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[sullen garden]

Does Doomblade leggo benefit from SBS and/or CT bleeds?

[charred mango]

i just got the SLG shoulders, but my Doomblade is on the shoulders rn. do you guys think its worth recrafting the hand version, or just wait till 9.1 to consider remaking anything

[jagged shuttle]

Hey we're progging through M sire, I've been trying to shadowstep to someone on the platforms for p2 but it doesn't seem to work. Am I doing something wrong or it just d oesn't work?

[balmy condor]

do you have the step conduit

[balmy condor]

yes, yes

[balmy condor]

wait

[jagged shuttle]

omg i'm not using the conduit!!

haha that's probably why...

Wait jk.. I am

[hollow river]

i've heard of one person that says they jump off the edge and step to the add. but it takes some getting comfortable with.

[sonic schooner]

Twisting corridors

[thorny jasper]

rapidly

crimson tempest on m sire

how many targets

[shy dust]

1

You maintain it on 1 target outside of in shiv windows

[sonic schooner]

1 outside of shiv window

[thorny jasper]

what the

ok

[sonic schooner]

[balmy condor]

One love, one heart
Let's join together and a-feel all right
One love (full of mercy)
One heart (I tell you)

[sonic schooner]

[plain thistle]

[sonic schooner]

And yea for the first general on sire you should just dot remornia/sire till u got a lock gate, the second one just sbs or shuriken toss at him

[plain thistle]

dot everything that lives

[sonic schooner]

U can definitely shadowstep to them but gotta be really close to the edge

Or jump if u don't have the conduit

[thorny jasper]

i always step

me finished prog im just lazy and havent been playing ct

[plain thistle]

I always jump and throw a SBS mid air, I like to live in danger

for the second add ofc

[sonic schooner]

Master of apm

[plain thistle]

not that stupid

[sonic schooner]

[thorny jasper]

seems unnecessary risk

step mucho simple

[plain thistle]

you actually dont even need to jump, you can sbs if you get a little closer

[sonic schooner]

Add a 360 just for the style points

[thorny jasper]

thank u for ur help

i must go