assassination

[fervent rune]

Awesome thx

[gusty mirage]

you're good to go

[cerulean nest]

sorry I might be lost, is this the shiv slammer consortium?

[gusty mirage]

welcome brother

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[spice spire]

Any Shiv slammers here?

[limber lion]

Okay we can stop now.

[gusty mirage]

I'd like to start off our meeting by thanking the original shiv connoisseur himself, RH's very own @outer lotus

[spice spire]

Vaughn doesn’t know assassination exists

[gusty mirage]

its the kiwi skin getting to him

[limber lion]

My man is not even online and ya'll tearing him a new one

[gusty mirage]

listen I'm a vaughn simp

the man's a legend

[spice spire]

Just like I wish he’d tear that kiwi skin, but he just eats it like an animal

[strange python]

guys with pvp gear on pve is good ?

[sacred isle]

Depends what stats you picked. Secondaries doesnt matter hugely. Ilvl is king

[dark crag]

Itemlvl > rest

[humble ginkgo]

since when can I not run a simple sim to see if 1 ring is better than another

[strange python]

i mean with hunter pvp gear is shit and with monk is god gear like on rogue ?

[humble ginkgo]

I cant even check the enchants on it

like

this is apparently too much

I used to be able to do this just fine

[limber lion]

You don't really need the enchants

Just sim the gems

Just put Haste as your enchant and sim the gems

[humble ginkgo]

kek

[strange python]

so the pvp gear is good or i must farm other gear

[humble ginkgo]

and then why I select one enchant

its too much

they fucking ruined it

actually forced to cough up money to sim now

[limber lion]

You're simming too many things

Just get premium bruh

[humble ginkgo]

I am simming 1 ring

with sockets

[limber lion]

No you're not if the iteration count is 320

[humble ginkgo]

I have nothing else selected other than a ring

[limber lion]

Link me the sim

Or the string

[sacred isle]

Well I guess it sims all rings with diff enchants and all gem slots

[limber lion]

Your simmin

[dark crag]

If you select 1 ring you sim it against both your current rings

[humble ginkgo]

I think im dumb

I was changing the current enchants I had and gems

[limber lion]

why

[humble ginkgo]

I see now

[limber lion]

Why are you even using those talents

[humble ginkgo]

no I dont wanna do that lol

what

Thats what the guide said

[limber lion]

Oh boy.

[humble ginkgo]

is this not fine

[limber lion]

No

You always pair EP/Vig together

and BS/DS

[gusty mirage]

if you play blindside you play DS

always

[hollow river]

Ee’gadd

[limber lion]

You would only sometimes play Blindside/Vigor as Kyrian or Night Fae

You should just play EP/Vig on Necrolord.

[humble ginkgo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[humble ginkgo]

whenever it said or I thought I could pick whatever I want

lol

[amber mountain]

You can, you can just do it wrong 🙂

[humble ginkgo]

nah'

im tryna get better at this spec

[limber lion]

Just look at Warcraftlogs

And copy what the dudes are doing there

[amber mountain]

There are options there (EP+Vig/BS+DS etc). Figure out which feels good and works better for you.

[humble ginkgo]

ok

prolly vigor

[limber lion]

¨Ye

[humble ginkgo]

since I cant stand being out of energy perma

[limber lion]

So you play EP/Vig

[humble ginkgo]

okay ty

but I like ambush

[amber mountain]

I'm normally EP+Vig, but I've been playing BS+DS this past week just to see how it feels. And the only time I feel energy starved is when my dots fall off because I'm too busy running like a coward from Spiteful

Ambush isn't what it used to be skip. It's bait or old rogues

[dark crag]

That's m+

[amber mountain]

yes

🙂

[limber lion]

Can't have em all.

[limber lion]

You should never play BS/DS in M+.

[amber mountain]

As i'm finding Cev

[sacred isle]

Skip it’s one less button. Should like that coming from outlaw 🙂

[humble ginkgo]

no I just like ambush bc I use it on outlaw

[amber mountain]

I switched for raiding, and wanted to see how bad it was

[humble ginkgo]

[limber lion]

Yeah that's fine.

Honestly you can play whatever you want and wherever you want, it's a video game after all.

Feel free to try stuff out and have fun :p

[humble ginkgo]

so I see people simming 7.8k right

[sacred isle]

Hidden blades!

[humble ginkgo]

why am I simming at 6.5

[limber lion]

No you don't.

No one in this world sims 7.8k as sin

in 5 min pw

[humble ginkgo]

hm

[plain thistle]

max 5m sim is something like 7.3-7.4

[limber lion]

7.4k for Venth, 7.2k~ for Necro

[humble ginkgo]

oh read it wrong

it was 7.3 yea

but why am I simming at 6.5

is my gear that shit

[limber lion]

You're Necro

right

[humble ginkgo]

yea

[limber lion]

Well

you use the wrong talents

you use the wrong soulbind

Quite a few things

[humble ginkgo]

oh yea forgot heirmir

lol

[silent fossil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iPZwohbBi1LDLCYb7UrsLp where am i missing 100+ dps on my sim? only missing phial + OH for like 45 combined dps

[limber lion]

You're probably heavy on vers

[humble ginkgo]

yea

stack vers bro

[limber lion]

Ye, we dont' do that.

[humble ginkgo]

lol

dont plan on really changing my gear much

unless I fully main sin

[limber lion]

Yeah, well can't get to 7.2k+ sims then

[humble ginkgo]

I will try to get pieces for it though

[limber lion]

if you're using bad gear, wrong talents and a wrong soulbind

[humble ginkgo]

bc ive been trading away all my pieces

that werent upgrades

well ye i didnt know abt talent

[plain thistle]

we have very similar gear, only difference is legs, trinket and off hand
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gsuFvJHqQbR7VixNGgWakF

[silent fossil]

yeah OH / phial is the difference in our numbers

it's like 24 each

[amber mountain]

11 people ahead of me in queue... it's all of us here... isn't it?

[humble ginkgo]

how you got all that 233 gear but no phial

lol

[silent fossil]

rng?

[limber lion]

bruh

[silent fossil]

i cant make the vault shit me a specific item,

[limber lion]

No, we're premium users here.

[humble ginkgo]

lol

[amber mountain]

I am most definitely not 😛

[humble ginkgo]

i aint

[limber lion]

Yeh, that's why you're in a queue.

[humble ginkgo]

theres no diff between outlaw and sin loot spec for vault right

in raid?

[outer lotus]

Getting bullied for working

[limber lion]

No.

[humble ginkgo]

ok

[limber lion]

[humble ginkgo]

ill go sin spec for loot

in case I get sumn good from m+

[spice spire]

[humble ginkgo]

thats kinda cool though

that ring turned out to be 30 dps upgrade

[sacred isle]

Well weapons are diff in vault

[humble ginkgo]

and I remember I took it from weekly chest

around 2 months ago

my friend said pick it if u will ever go sin

[limber lion]

Raid loot spec does not matter.

It's still a token in the vault.

[humble ginkgo]

and I was like nah I wont but sure

[amber mountain]

I only sim 5.7k but i'm only 219 ilvl

[humble ginkgo]

and I just kept it in my bag

[limber lion]

519 :O

[amber mountain]

dunno what you're talking about 😛

[sacred isle]

Well he said from m+ 🙂

[amber mountain]

Though, with how my gear drops have been, i could probably manage a 5.7k sim with 519 ilvl ;P

[spice spire]

That seems pretty low still am I lit?

[limber lion]

Read up again

He said that he's going assa loot spec because it's the same in raids

[amber mountain]

Nah, my gear isn't great: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5BzZJoPWRP8GCJqk8y52H9

[limber lion]

so he can get assa weapons in m+

[amber mountain]

I have pretty poor itemization and I took a while off my rogue to fill in as a healer on my shaman so I'm only really running M+ and gearing him now

[spice spire]

Also subt + CT on ST

[limber lion]

Yeah well you're not gonna sim high with a M+ setup.

Zoldyck and M+ talents

[amber mountain]

Yep

M+ is really what i run

[limber lion]

It's not about gear being bad or not.

lol

[amber mountain]

if i switch over the dungeon partial

[spice spire]

and Zoldyck’s

[amber mountain]

Yep

[spice spire]

So yeah ST sim hella low lol. But that’s by design

[amber mountain]

again, i'm more an M+ rogue than a raid rogue

Yarp

[spice spire]

I think my M+ set is on currently at 223, I’ll see what ST looks like

6199, that falls in line

Haha

[amber mountain]

Yeah, for our raids I'm main heals on my shammy because I can raid lead from there. I only really get to play my rogue in raid on non-prog stuff, and my guild is only 9/10H

6.8K dps in dungeon slice

[spice spire]

Yeah that tracks, M+ is GIGA. And 219 alt is still sick, my prot pally is my main alt and he’s 213, only just now gearing it though

[gusty mirage]

prot pally

[amber mountain]

Oh, my rogue is my main. But the guild was short on heals, and I'm just the kind of guy to do that one night a week while doing everything else on my rogue 🙂

Just took a while to get an M+ group together

Let me rephrase that... it took a while to get a decent M+ group together

[alpine latch]

Does anyone in here sell m+ carries? And if so, is anyone crazy enough to do it on Sin?

[humble ginkgo]

I mean sin aint that bad on m+

[limber lion]

We do sell em in Oblivion and Dawn.

[humble ginkgo]

if you know how to play it

ive seen crazy overalls as sin

[limber lion]

Sin is perfectly fine for doing +15 boosts.

[humble ginkgo]

but I sell keys as outlaw

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I'm more curious how many people sell but also swap to Outlaw

[limber lion]

I've done quite a few

I just play Sin everywhere

And boost keys as sin

[humble ginkgo]

bro the boost do no require you to play outlaw lol

[limber lion]

I do 8k overall anyways, so doesn't matter

[alpine latch]

Jesus ... I think the highest I got to overall was like 6.5k

[humble ginkgo]

all they require you is to play well enough to time a +14 or +15 with 2 dps

[alpine latch]

And I was super proud of that 🙂

[humble ginkgo]

I get 7.8k overall on mist

best outlaw key for sure

the resets and the packs size is perfect

[raven vapor]

should you still open with SBS while playing subterfuge?

[amber mountain]

NW is pretty good for outlaw too. One of the other players in my M+ group plays an outlaw rogue alt and the packs seem to line up pretty nicely for him

[humble ginkgo]

Idk

I dont play much m+ other than my 1 mist key a week

[limber lion]

Yes

SBS - Garrote

[humble ginkgo]

I stopped grinding rio

[limber lion]

But only on 1-2 targets, on 3 you'd gar gar gar

[humble ginkgo]

I do the same mist 18

[alpine latch]

Yeah I was going to say, I garrote everything on opener

[raven vapor]

great thanks, i've swapped to sin in m+ just trying to tighten it up

[limber lion]

Yeh good stuff.

It gets better with practice.

[raven vapor]

so from stealth > sbs > gar > gar > gar?

[limber lion]

No

From stealth in packs you open gar gar gar gar

[spice spire]

Quad garrote

[limber lion]

The SBS opener is only for ST pretty much

[spice spire]

We don’t miss them

[raven vapor]

ah yeah that's what i've been doing then

[limber lion]

You do gar gar gar gar ct sbs sbs rup sbs

if you have SnD up

If you don't then you use SnD instead of Ct and CT instead of Rup

Then you just apply ruptures to everything after

[amber mountain]

And then you profit and laugh and laugh at the little warlock played by your brother who thinks he's hot shit and .... sorry... projecting

[raven vapor]

pretty much how i'm playing just need to prioritize CT more

thanks for the help

[spice spire]

Also legit question, if sbs crits and applied twice for three-four CP, we just rupture in that opener, correct? Better than overlapping?

[limber lion]

As long as you don't spam it and keep the bleed up, you're good.

[limber lion]

Yes

[teal bloom]

About M+, if you happen to have 3 or 4 cp, do you use all 3 subt garrotes and overcap or use finisher after getting to 5 and miss one empowered garrote?

[amber mountain]

Yeah, it's not a straight damage finisher for sure

[spice spire]

Thanks papi Cev

[limber lion]

You always use 3 empowered garrotes

But you should not start a pack with 3-4cp

[amber mountain]

I had to disabuse our boomie who was all "why aren't you using CT more?"

[limber lion]

You should just use SnD before opening on the pack

[gusty mirage]

did you ask him why he's questioning someone who doesn't have to push 2 buttons for all their damage? 🙂

[limber lion]

[raven vapor]

[gusty mirage]

I'll snd your pack before opening

[amber mountain]

No. i made him roll a rogue (he's the outlaw rogue because he couldn't keep his bleeds up)

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

such a mindblowing concept

kinda like this lock I know who only plays destro because "maintaining dots is hard"

[amber mountain]

Yep

[teal bloom]

@limber lion you would snd in that situation even if it isn't about to fall of?

[limber lion]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

refreshing alacrity is still worth it

[limber lion]

To maintain Alacrity

[amber mountain]

To his credit, he does put the effort in to learn, but he "gets more bang for his buck" playing outlaw

[gusty mirage]

because it's most likely falling off

with its weird ass timer

[amber mountain]

Alacrity is the best... and the worst... all in one little package

Oh! question for everyone. Last week I ran an SD+15 and was one of the only ones with a sooth... Does Shiv do a ridiculous amount of damage to your weapon? My OH was wearing down way faster than my MH

[raven vapor]

i do tend to find my OH breaks faster

[gusty mirage]

stop stabbing so hard with your offhand

4head

[amber mountain]

right?

I almost never see the gear warning stuff in my UI, but I suddenly had this yellow weapon showing up during the gauntlet and I was very confused.

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/Iky4QvG96

idk how useful that is because its overall durability

but I just make sure to repair before every dungeon

[amber mountain]

Yeah, so do I

[strange python]

Especially sd cuz u can’t mount in there

[gusty mirage]

get yourself a jeeves like a real gamer

🙂

[teal bloom]

Sanguine depths is the reason I always have autohammers in my inventory

[alpine latch]

Well look at you two, Mr. "I don't die because my groups don't suck"

Some of us have to repair mid-run

[amber mountain]

I have Jeeves 🙂 Which is another reason why I never have broken stuff 😛

[gusty mirage]

like a true gamer

[amber mountain]

I don't see how anyone can't be an engineer in SL

between the wormhole generator, jeeves, and all the other goodies...

[gusty mirage]

I had the brez backfire on me the other day

and I was just sad

[limber lion]

Yeh, engineering is busted.

[gusty mirage]

first time all expac, in a 19 dos

[amber mountain]

ouch

And you were all "I swear, baby, this has never happened to me before!"
And the group was all "It's ok, maybe we can just cuddle?"

[gusty mirage]

I was confused why I lost like all my health

and I was like it fucking backfired? wtf

[alpine latch]

I just boosted my rogue to max Engi. I haven't gotten to battle res yet

[royal lantern]

always has been

[amber mountain]

Yeah. Just be sure to remember that it costs a battle rez, even out of combat

[gusty mirage]

I want my glider in dungeons back

[amber mountain]

Use your jumper cables/army knife

[royal lantern]

thats why engineering is the 1 profession you take, and never take off cus the QoL stuff is to good

Wormholes in SL are the best thing ever

[amber mountain]

You just can't reliably make money on it

[strange python]

Goggles transmog too pog

[gusty mirage]

huge money sink, but the wormholes alone makes it worth

[amber mountain]

Yep

[royal lantern]

engineering is not a "huge" sink

like

it just isnt lol

[amber mountain]

Oh! And the falling boots! I love those in PVP

[gusty mirage]

it isn't? compared to every other crafting profession where you can make gold back?

[royal lantern]

reaching the point where blacksmith/leatherworking/tailoring start to create money is a huge money sink

getting engi max isnt

[gusty mirage]

I made my gold back hand over fist for leatherworking

I didn't make shit off engineering

[amber mountain]

Right, but when you look at in vs out other profs make money in the long run

[royal lantern]

i mean, you only start to actually get gold when you have max lvl legendary recipes

[amber mountain]

they do take more investment to get going though

[royal lantern]

wich is a shitton of invesment

[gusty mirage]

if you pumped out the r1s early on in the expac you made quite a bit of $

that's how I bought my boe daggers

sold a buncha r1 leggos

[limber lion]

I never had boe daggers

I was a poor boy

[gusty mirage]

and now look at you

a chad wf raider

boes are for us shitters sir

save em for us

[limber lion]

You say that, but Pieces has 500m gold saved up to buy BoE's

[amber mountain]

O.o

That's a LOT of longbois

[spice spire]

Probably still not enough tbh

Boes in WF races are pretty necessary

[limber lion]

50, not too bad.

[pale fossil]

This and everyone knows you've got capital, so you get charged a premium for them.

[dull cloak]

those boe weapons were obsolete in what, 3 weeks after release?

[limber lion]

Well, there's only 2 per item type anymore.

[limber lion]

Pretty much.

Depends on the person of course.

[dull cloak]

ppl were shelling 900k for them week 1 geez

[spice spire]

Thank god. Hopefully they don’t drop RNG perks on them like 8.3

[limber lion]

A lot of groups just do boe farm runs day on day out

[limber lion]

I doubt we'll see any rng stuff.

Maybe the dom sockets, but those are 100% on slots.

[humble ginkgo]

yo do I use arcane torrent in rotation?

[spice spire]

Ahhhhh I see. I wasn’t sure what the dom sockets would be doing

[humble ginkgo]

or just waste of gcd

[limber lion]

Yes

[spice spire]

When you’re starved

[humble ginkgo]

ok

[limber lion]

You use it on cooldown as long as you don't overcap energy with it

[humble ginkgo]

Alr yea it made sense

[spice spire]

Slow spec needs energy 😡

[placid pagoda]

Best soulbinds tree for necro assa?

[limber lion]

Heirmir with Marrowed Gemstone.

[placid pagoda]

Ty

[limber lion]

[unkempt ginkgo]

For sire, if you get 0 stacks of sin in P1. Do you still take blood price damage and lift in p3?

[limber lion]

Yes you do.

[humble ginkgo]

you dont get blood price in p1 though

[limber lion]

Pretty sure he's aware of that

or he wouldn't have phrased his question like that.

[unkempt ginkgo]

Thanks, also in p2, ideally I'm maintaining garrote/rupture/CT on sire/sword and named add right?

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

You want to rupture and CT the cabalists as well

But mainly keeping all 3 up on Remornia/Sire

[unkempt ginkgo]

Yea I have to get better at maintaining those in p2

[limber lion]

Yeah, it gets better with practice ;)

[mighty willow]

theoretically, what is the best horde's racial for Sin in raids plz ?

[limber lion]

Orc.

[warped moon]

is there a command to show all the rogue ability shorthands

[limber lion]

Abbreviations? Not really.

I think some guides include abbreviations,.

But if you have any questions about any of that stuff, just ask here and we'll help

[strange python]

yo whats up guys, going to reclear mythic and my guild is bringing my rogue to help gear for 9.1 , should I craft doomblade on shoulders or hands? I have a ridiculous amount of soul ash to spend so I'm not too worried about crafting the wrong one (thinking about the future gear in 9.1)

[gusty mirage]

hands

if you're reclearing mythic and getting funneled gear you'll get the SLG shoulders which are 233

[sonic schooner]

gonna anyway recraft it on cloak

[gusty mirage]

^

plus I think new raid has higher ilvl shoulders too right?

[strange python]

on cloak ?

[tulip nacelle]

yeah kt has higher ilvl shoulders as well

[sonic schooner]

^^

[gusty mirage]

yeah next tier there's domination sockets and they're adding a 3rd slot for every leggo

[strange python]

oh wow

see this is why i ask the questions here

lol

not sure ill even craft a leggo then

[sonic schooner]

cloak are cheap to buy from AH, so i m happy with that tbh

🙄

[gusty mirage]

definitely still craft one

[strange python]

hm

[gusty mirage]

but don't waste the gold on a r4

[sonic schooner]

you should even if it s a rank1 or 2

[gusty mirage]

stick to a r2 or r3 if you're feeling saucy

[strange python]

ok ok

i feel that

doomblade still OP poggers for raid right

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[sonic schooner]

the effect is more powerfull that the stats

[gusty mirage]

^

[limber lion]

Wouldn't call it op poggers

but yeh

[gusty mirage]

it's just poggers

not op poggers

[strange python]

lmao

well BIS rather then hahah

[sonic schooner]

i would craft ceverion on my cloak, would be op poggers

[gusty mirage]

true

cev is bis

[strange python]

[sonic schooner]

[strange python]

truth

[humble ginkgo]

ceverion trying to be a CF

[gusty mirage]

Cev just trying to help the homies

[humble ginkgo]

[gusty mirage]

he doesn't need an ulterior motive to be a resource (:

[sonic schooner]

i m starting to play sin on mythic+, this is so relaxing compared to OL

[gusty mirage]

there's something so satisfying about maintaining bleeds

[sonic schooner]

Well i m bad when it comes to 5+ targets, but vendetta feels great

[gusty mirage]

you'll get it with time, it's kind of hectic at 5+ though

what's your crit at?

% wise

[sonic schooner]

30/35% i think, not sure

too lazy to log rn

[gusty mirage]

that's a good % to be at

but the rng of fok can make it a nightmare at 5+

am I getting 1, 2, or 30 cp from this fok?

who knows

[sonic schooner]

dude fok is the most trolling ability in the game

on sire p1

i fok on adds and sometimes only 1cp again and again

[limber lion]

Funny how you've been the most vocal person in here these past 2 days, and I've been helping you out for the most part because no one else wants to - and this is the thanks I get.

[sonic schooner]

btw, should i go Heirmir with lethal poisons? I ve read that few times 🙄

[limber lion]

Lethal poisons? Is that a trait or something

[sonic schooner]

conduit

[limber lion]

We always go Gemstones for everything :p

Ahhh I'm dumb

[sonic schooner]

yea but as the potency

D:

[limber lion]

Sorry xD

[sonic schooner]

on OL it s not hard : CtO, CtO, and if u have a 3rd potency, CtO as well

[humble ginkgo]

wait what

no it wasnt meant to be a bad way

[limber lion]

Yeah you just use Sudden Fractures on everything, we don't really use a second potency :p

[humble ginkgo]

dont take that like that

bruh

[limber lion]

Ah alright, fair enough. No harm done, mate.

Sorry, just wiped 3 times on Artificer, maybe I understood it wrong.

[humble ginkgo]

nah just means you are mad active and help everyone

[limber lion]

Artificer got to me.

All good man.

[humble ginkgo]

LOL

ty for the help bro

appreciate it

[limber lion]

Cheers. :p

[white tide]

hey guys, is there any information about covenant sims/thoughts for 9.1 sin rogues for raids, i wonder if i need to swap covenants, im currently playing venthyr for raidcontent

[limber lion]

Necrolord is looking to be the go-to covenant for raiding, but nothing is really set in stone yet.

A lot of things are yet to be implemented

The new soulbind traits

The Sylvanas dagger

Empowered Conduits

Etc.

But Necrolord/Venthyr are both very good safe choices atm

[white tide]

ok thats strange, how is necro beating venthyr on singletarget?

[limber lion]

It's not

Sec, in the middle of a raid

[white tide]

isnt the mechanic somehow like marked for death? so if you cant reset the ability its not that good?

[tulip nacelle]

it's not but it's very close on single target and necro gets much better in 2t+

[hazy crater]

It's still good but with resets its reeeally good

having it tick in multiple targets is also good

[white tide]

hmm maybe i just go swap, so i have at least renown 40 when patch hits and then decide if vent of necro, or is there any catchup planned for that?

[steep reef]

hello my stummy hurt I ate deadly poison for breakfast today

[hazy crater]

I believe the catch up mechanic is just that everything that gives renown now gives it more often at 9.1

[white tide]

hmm ^^

[tulip nacelle]

now is a perfect time to farm some renown imo, but honestly shouldn't be a problem either way

[white tide]

ok thanks for the information

[hazy crater]

depends on if you are doing something important or just running in circles in oribos but yeah

can just start now if nothing else to do

[white tide]

ye, guild stopped raiding anyway, so nothing to do ^^

[limber lion]

Many of us have several covenants at 40 renown and we just do the quest to swap covenants, but we don't return it

[shy dust]

Level alts

[limber lion]

So when the patch drops, we can switch instantly if we want.

[shy dust]

This is the time for alts

[white tide]

wait thats possible? ^^

[limber lion]

Yes!

[scenic root]

How many targets are needed to switch from mut to FoK for priority dmg?

[balmy condor]

Traitorous unethical gamers

[white tide]

^^

[limber lion]

Interesting question. But probably still 4.

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

For prio damage I’m actually not sure

[strange python]

for pvp necrolord or venthyr >

[limber lion]

Yeah, I've never thought about it.

[limber lion]

#pvp

[scenic root]

Still stuck on council, lots of targets, I know the dmg to other bosses is useless, but still gives cp from FoK. Our outlaw rogue switched to Sin and he has been using FoK and I have been using mut. And unsure what better

[warped temple]

😄

[balmy condor]

I don’t think you ever fok if you need prio damage now that I think about it

[limber lion]

:o

[scenic root]

Cause you are relying on % crit for more CP, could be lucky but less consistent

[balmy condor]

You still use it to spread poisons on 3+ obviously

Cause the value of spreading poisons is for the energy gain from bleeds

But as a generator I don’t think it’s used

[hazy crater]

APL never replaces it at least

not sure how much research goes into priority rotation though

[balmy condor]

A lot

[scenic root]

We arnt sub with funnel, though would be a nice addition 😂

[hazy crater]

Then I guess it's pretty safe to say its never used instead of mut

[balmy condor]

I mean I think the main problem with fok is that it’s the most giga inconsistent thing

Fok 2cp baseline

Should’ve happened years ago

[hollow river]

Makes no sense when mut is 2cp baseline

[alpine latch]

I'm thinking about race changing from Goblin to Orc

[humble ginkgo]

anything to not be a goblin

[pale fossil]

Race change to Vulpera

Join us

[spice spire]

Belf bis

[cerulean nest]

well boys. i started a rogue/ninja in FF14. i feel gross

[hollow river]

Ouch

How is it?

[cerulean nest]

honestly really fun lol. completely different

[hollow river]

O:

[cerulean nest]

weaving in abilities in between GCDs feels cool

[limber lion]

I was actually considering swapping from Belf to Orc as well because I'm a dps addict

but I just can't do it

Orc rogues just look too dumb

Big, massive, muscly boys stabbing with teeny tiny daggers

[hollow river]

Ceverion mechagnome when?

[sinful citrus]

would have to be orc female cause atleast then you arent huge and might actually be able to be stealthed LOL

[hollow river]

What’s the dps diff between belf and orc for you?

[limber lion]

Actually, let me sim it

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/31UmjmCk4jG9vSnnJmPUPn

massive gains

[hollow river]

LOL

Thought it’d be at least +20

[limber lion]

Still no sbs apl change in so no 7k sim :'(

[hollow river]

But hey it gets you 7k

[spice spire]

9 DPS

[limber lion]

I suggested an apl change which would have been as well, but it hasn't been implemented yet

[cerulean nest]

actually just looked at the mechagnome racials for the first time. theyre kinda tight lol

[limber lion]

not sure if it even will be lol

[hollow river]

Yeah I saw that

[spice spire]

The SnD on 1 thing?

[hollow river]

The 1cp SnD thing?

[limber lion]

Ya

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

Ok so Orc was 9

Guess how much Mechagnome is

[spice spire]

18

[hollow river]

50

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/21KguCKpiyT5Lm9ZWHcn9y

[hollow river]

Nailed it

[spice spire]

52, mechagnomes busted

[hollow river]

Beast mode

[limber lion]

It actually is quite a bit.

[spice spire]

Still awful looking

[hollow river]

Undead?

[limber lion]

But even if it was 200 dps, it wouldn't still see much play

[spice spire]

52 for a racial is definitely a lot

[limber lion]

If the guild is on horde, I'm never getting Mechagnome

[limber lion]

Yeah it definitely is

[limber lion]

I'll do one with undead, troll, night elf for you

[hollow river]

:owoNod:

[balmy condor]

A fake degenerate in our midst

[shy dust]

Idk about that

Why wouldn’t you be mecha if you were a very high tier alliance guild

[hazy crater]

ez 7k gang with Nelf

[limber lion]

Exactly

[shy dust]

They have two great racails

[limber lion]

Of course you would

[hollow river]

Oh?

[limber lion]

If you play Alliance

But that's the thing

The majority still play Horde

So it wouldn't see play

it wouldn't turn Horde players into Alliance players

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Your entire guild is still on Horde

[shy dust]

Idk about that

Limit previously almost went alliance for a racial

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mwi1e7VV6QXVWN5HpVc736

[spice spire]

Weebs

[strange python]

What about human

[balmy condor]

[shy dust]

But chose not to not screw over a raider in their guild who was at the top of the PvP ladder

[limber lion]

But that's the 0.001% as well

That's not the majority

[hazy crater]

Actually unethical for me not to be mechagnome as alliance though

[hollow river]

I’m trolling as undead :’(

[shy dust]

Do people not follow the top end?

[limber lion]

Majority will stay Horde, even if Mechagnome would be busted

[balmy condor]

Cev would you like all the races in one script

[limber lion]

Nah, I'm done now

[balmy condor]

Or are you gonna keep fielding the requests one by one to farm channel messages

[hollow river]

Lmaoo

[limber lion]

Damn, he's got me

[hazy crater]

do tauren now

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

He’s gotta catch up whispyr

[limber lion]

There's 3 people ahead of me (that I know of)

1 that I'll never catch

but 2 that I possibly could dethrone

[hollow river]

I didn’t know there was a leader board

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

Didn't think belf would beat nelf

[limber lion]

[frail fossil]

ambitious

[spice spire]

My man is gaming WoW AND DISCORD?

[limber lion]

He's only like 15k ahead. That's two months, ez

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s doable, I beat zines post count a while ago

[shy dust]

Just answer questions that the guide answers

Is the easiest way to get count

[balmy condor]

Exactly

Rae gets it

[limber lion]

Yeah

And instead of telling people to go check the pins

You walk them through it

[spice spire]

That’s the whispyr way until you’re locked

[hazy crater]

how many !guide messages can one get

[humble ginkgo]

I hate the answer check the pins or read a guide

[spice spire]

Top, then you tell people to fuck off

[shy dust]

Why not

[humble ginkgo]

who wants to read

[plain thistle]

type each word of a paragraph in a different message, easy

[balmy condor]

You’re literally reading less by reading a guide

[spice spire]

Going to have to read the answer anyway

[plain thistle]

you

should

[limber lion]

You're saying that in a text-based communication software.

[shy dust]

I’m not a fan of coming into spec channels

[plain thistle]

check

guide

[shy dust]

And asking the most basic of questions

[humble ginkgo]

Im a fan of that

[shy dust]

When a guide answers them for you

[humble ginkgo]

thats how I learned

all of rogue

lol

My sublety adventures

[shy dust]

A guide is there to help you in the first place

[balmy condor]

Yes and that’s why people think you’re an annoying prick

[humble ginkgo]

[strange python]

But when you read a guide how will you know it's still relevant

[balmy condor]

[humble ginkgo]

you are the only one whisp

[frail fossil]

you mf be typing here EVERY DAY

[shy dust]

Because the guides have an update log

[hollow river]

I feel like a lot of people don’t trust the guides are correct

[humble ginkgo]

and maybe 2 more sub mains

[balmy condor]

Yes yes, I’m the only one

[shy dust]

There’s at least 2

[hollow river]

Until they come here

[humble ginkgo]

bla bla bla outlaw !!!!

[strange python]

I think I read a guid that says NF was bis like a week ago

[humble ginkgo]

yea

[shy dust]

The wowhead guide is written by a CF/TC here

[humble ginkgo]

whisp, rae, that one dude that made fun of my parse when he didnt even get CE

🤣

[hollow river]

I, for one, did not trust any guides until I was told to check them here.

[frail fossil]

ur loud skip

[humble ginkgo]

I do like the RH guides

[shy dust]

The wowhead guides are great

[humble ginkgo]

Nah im not even active

[hollow river]

But I didn’t know anything about who writes what

[limber lion]

[humble ginkgo]

how am I loud

its messages

they dont make noise

[limber lion]

How do you read stuff?

[balmy condor]

Then why does my head hurt

[humble ginkgo]

[frail fossil]

bro when we read ur message it's just loud

[limber lion]

do you just look at the words without saying them out loud in your head

[frail fossil]

idk how else to put it

[humble ginkgo]

Whisp dont make me send you target dummy logs again

[balmy condor]

I won’t read them it’s all good

[limber lion]

Time to ditch

[humble ginkgo]

it was funny

but it helped

[balmy condor]

You’re a big boy now

You can read your own logs

[humble ginkgo]

I can understand not wanting to deal with me now

but back then it helped a lot bro

[balmy condor]

I know it did

[humble ginkgo]

literally had to learn the entire game

[shy dust]

If only a guide

Answered multiple questions

And listed core rotational priorities

[balmy condor]

I helped because you were clueless, not because you were fun to help

Now you’re just not fun to help

[limber lion]

[strange python]

pog

I mean for example the outlaw rogue guide on wowhead recommends night fae as a general covenant, if you would ask the same question in the outlaw channel they would say necrolord 99% of the time

So someone might read that and then go into outlaw channel to ask for the best covenant just to be sure

[shy dust]

Yes that’s fine

But asking to explain the basics of the spec

Is a bit much

[bitter canyon]

Can someone explain how to play assass rogue plz

xd

[balmy condor]

Guides are to guide players through knowing nothing, to knowing how to play the spec good enough for whatever the game has, and honestly if people want to min-max into necro, which is more confusing rotationally, then they can do that

But there’s nothing wrong with recommending fae to a beginner

[scenic root]

How do I use mutilate, my weapsons are sword and mace offhand. ./s

[strange python]

Didn't mean there was anything wrong with what the guide says but just wanted to give an example as to why someone might ask a question about something in a guide even after reading it

[shy dust]

Reminding me of that dude who was very sure that sword in main hand was meta

[strange python]

Because it can be confusing sometimes

[balmy condor]

Yeah and those questions aren’t the problem

[hollow river]

I heard u need fizt weppan

[scenic root]

Ahh thanks, I'll try it out and come back top sin rogue

[balmy condor]

You mean the guy who is trialing in the guild that I’m trialing for?

[hazy crater]

[shy dust]

[hollow river]

Lmao are u serious

[strange python]

Thanks I was actually searching for this emote

[balmy condor]

I wish I wasn’t

[strange python]

What server is that from

[hollow river]

How is he doing?? I must know

[hazy crater]

is this the same dude who was confused why sims dont mutilate with swords and only garrote and that it needs to be fixed

[bitter canyon]

Sounds like CE material to me

[hollow river]

Think so

[misty holly]

Are you two battling for one rogue spot?

[balmy condor]

From what I’ve seen, I’m gonna say questionable, but me thinks he’s an outlaw mush brain “needing” to play sin

[scenic root]

You get rogue spots in raid?

[balmy condor]

Possibly

[mellow pier]

The state of the game is so bad that someone who is playing sin with swords gets a trial

[hollow river]

LOL

Bro

I can’t

[balmy condor]

this guild has had pulls in late p2/early p3 of sire btw

[hollow river]

Pls get me trial

[spice spire]

[mellow pier]

Cutting edge for sure

[misty holly]

How do you build combo points with sword main hand?

[hazy crater]

garrote

[hollow river]

Fok ofc

[balmy condor]

Fok

[humble ginkgo]

wym

[mellow pier]

Put him up there with those prior EN CE raiders

[cerulean nest]

toxic min maxxer

[limber lion]

We did unironically used to use FoK as a main builder in legion

But that was patched rather quick

[mellow pier]

@misty holly it reminds me of the hemo only builders

[limber lion]

[mellow pier]

Backstab who needs that

I have hemo

Harder eviscerates

[hollow river]

Okok sorry

[misty holly]

I played that in vanilla for a while. It was okay in pvp.

[mellow pier]

Hemo was used when u couldn’t hit the boss

For sure

NGL I swapped to assassin once in HFC to meme and I couldn’t Mut

Because slow offhand was bis

[loud light]

maybe he was a lash of the void assassin gamer in nyalotha

and can't drop the habit

[mellow pier]

Is it worth it to swap back venthyr for speed kills :/

[balmy condor]

Nah

[mellow pier]

That’s a lot more playing the game than I’m willing to do right now

[balmy condor]

They fixed the pot cheese

[mellow pier]

My guild might try to do some shriek one phase but we don’t think it’s possible

8.4K dps needed on average lol

[hollow river]

Doesn’t seem possible

[mellow pier]

Sure it is

18 spriest

[frail fossil]

u need a lot of SP

[hollow river]

Where does the rogue come in o.o

[mellow pier]

Lack of raiders

No one is playing this game

[hollow river]

FF hype train

[mellow pier]

That game is trash

Square is a company worse than blizzard

[hollow river]

How so

[bitter canyon]

Quick question regarding m+, I was looking at a recent Ryfie run and he has like 3% haste, 13% with alacrity. Is that normal for m+ or was he just testing stuff out?

[frail fossil]

that's not why people dont play wow much atm

[bitter canyon]

I know crit is more important in m+ but doesn’t that low haste gimp you during boss fights

[frail fossil]

just patch is kinda dead for most

[shy dust]

18 spriest prob fails

[frail fossil]

and tbc release

[mellow pier]

I played ffxi. They destroyed that game for FF14 vanilla because no one played it

[hollow river]

Ik

[mellow pier]

Then they took the game down

[shy dust]

Due to no int and no 5% magic debuff

[mellow pier]

Vdh

[shy dust]

And a mage?

[mellow pier]

Hmm

Maybe our mage

Windz pretty good

[shy dust]

Then maybe doable

[limber lion]

[mellow pier]

We’re going to try it anyways

Next week I think

[shy dust]

My guild has gotten too lazy to do speed kills

Everyone went to play classic

[hollow river]

He runs different builds in different dungeons

[balmy condor]

That’s fairly normal, he plays for the aoe more than anything

So he takes the hit in single target cause the gain in aoe is worth more in his opinion

[mellow pier]

@shy dust my guild wants to get R1 again to keep people playing I guess

[bitter canyon]

Dang didn’t think the gain would be that much to sacrifice all his haste

[mellow pier]

Idk if we can do it with our classes tho

[bitter canyon]

Thanks for the replies!

[mellow pier]

Only 4 spriest

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I just don't like how Goblins look in xmog. Maybe belf is the right way to go

[shy dust]

Only 4 shadow priests

[balmy condor]

If you ask him yourself, he’ll tell you that the only important thing is crit, he’s played with like 3% haste, and 15%, and 25% and it didn’t make a difference

[hazy crater]

Aliiance master race

[shy dust]

That’s a lot

[mellow pier]

They’re alts

3 of them

[shy dust]

We still do the prog strat for sire

[bitter canyon]

Yea I’ve been trying to find his stream schedule but I don’t see it on his twitch

[shy dust]

Been a very lazy tier for us

[balmy condor]

Makes the big bold part of the FAQ have even more meaning

:P

[mellow pier]

We do 2/1/1

Cause sales

[balmy condor]

No set schedule

[bitter canyon]

Ah that would explain it

lmao

[shy dust]

We stopped doing sales like 2-3 weeks ago

[balmy condor]

He has to work and stuff again

[shy dust]

But yeah I hope we swap starts

[mellow pier]

It’s not worth it tbh

[balmy condor]

Was Streaming a lot during covid

[shy dust]

Having to hold damage every phase is awful

[mellow pier]

It’s bullshit alliance has same price as horde

[balmy condor]

But obviously not that sustainable

[mellow pier]

When there is like 4 guilds who can do it lol

[shy dust]

Price went down a lot for CE so we stopped

[bitter canyon]

I see I see

[shy dust]

Yeah it’s annoying but most of our roster sitll needs sire loot

[bitter canyon]

Hoping to catch him soon then

Thanks again for the advice 🙂

[balmy condor]

I mean you can just ask him in his discord

[lapis token]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[mellow pier]

@shy dust we keep getting weeks like this

[shy dust]

[mellow pier]

Vessel anyone?

[shy dust]

We are mainly missing the token for rogue weapons

[mellow pier]

Yeah

Same

[hazy crater]

I envy people who actually reclear, we cleared twice and half the raiders were gone until 9.1 after that

[mellow pier]

This has been the worse than WoD first patch by far

[shy dust]

Yeah

We were in tomb by now in legion

And some guilds were done with BoD by now

[cerulean nest]

how much are CE carries these days?

we're almost at 8/10 but no chance my guild goes farther than that

[mellow pier]

I think they’re down to like 3mil

Don’t quote me on it tho

It’s almost not worth doing for most guilds now lol

[cerulean nest]

yeah. still wouldnt want to pay that much anyway lol

[mellow pier]

I wouldn’t for the achieve

[cerulean nest]

would really like to experience the fight though

ah well

[mellow pier]

It was a good fight

One of their better end bosses

[humble ginkgo]

Still wondering what this means

Ik I can be annoying but damn

I have feelings too

[balmy condor]

means what it says

[humble ginkgo]

how am I not fun to help

[sonic schooner]

spiteful is awfull for sinrogue tho, shouldnt have started this week

[balmy condor]

cause talking to you is hella draining dude

you got the biggest zoomer energy I've ever seen

[humble ginkgo]

lol

[balmy condor]

and it's so tiring

[sonic schooner]

zoomers

they go brrrrrr

[humble ginkgo]

got too self aware

cant manipulate me into maining sin

[balmy condor]

15 messages for 1 question and it's 80% fluff nonsense

and shitty memes

[humble ginkgo]

shitty memes was that one time on april fools bruh

you gotta relax

[mighty hazel]

in high dungeons or raids is it better to use shadowcore oil and potion of phantom fire or shaded sharpening stone with potion of phantom which is better

[humble ginkgo]

not everything is full serious bruh

shadowcore

[balmy condor]

stones + agi

[hollow river]

[mighty hazel]

for bosses >

[humble ginkgo]

I use 1 of each yea

[mighty hazel]

?

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[balmy condor]

can sim for single target

[sonic schooner]

Whispyr should i make Finality for playing sin in pvp?

[balmy condor]

but for dungeons you definitely shouldn't oil/phantom

[shy dust]

Why would you oil

[mighty hazel]

%10 damage

[shy dust]

In an m+ dungeon

[mighty hazel]

for boss

[balmy condor]

bosses are maybe 30% of a dungeon

[indigo mulch]

Is it worth keeping dots on all 3 bosses?

on council

[balmy condor]

usually can't reach the third boss without downtime, but you would do up to 5 bleeds

[indigo mulch]

so 2x garrote and 3x rup?

[balmy condor]

or 3 garrote and 2 rup

[indigo mulch]

or 5 CT and no garrote?

[balmy condor]

definitely not that

[indigo mulch]

😦

[balmy condor]

considering CT doesn't give energy

[humble ginkgo]

wait

why would you do that

[indigo mulch]

lol

[humble ginkgo]

dot all 3 bosses

[balmy condor]

more energy is better

[tulip nacelle]

for energy

[humble ginkgo]

ah

yea

[shy dust]

Forgot about the spec defining passive

[indigo mulch]

If you have a lot of energy, it means i have to press button faster.

😦

[humble ginkgo]

thought another rogue spec was trying to pad

other than outlaw

[balmy condor]

pad on immune bosses

[loud light]

all that wcl filtered damage

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

huge

[loud light]

give it to me

[humble ginkgo]

idk maybe dude was tripping

[mighty hazel]

im doing 4 gar 2 rup +10k dps

[shy dust]

its 5 total bleeds

for max prio damage

[mighty hazel]

so 3 gar 2 rup

[steep reef]

gm whispyr I hope you slept well

[shy dust]

or 3 rup 2 garrote

either or

[alpine latch]

So, Dratnos said on his podcast that the set bonus for sockets is ~7%

That makes it stronger than most of our legendaries

Are there any early 9.1 sims that can back that up? Or should I just assume he's correct

[ornate lake]

So we made it to mythic sire, anybody got some tips?
CoS only works on the anime swords in P2

[shy dust]

well given that according to the Simc 9.1 To do list

[ornate lake]

Feint on nothing?

[strange python]

any of you guys see edge of night dagger for 9.1 yet? Sub gonna be bis ST dmg?

[shy dust]

lists every shard of domination gem and set bonus as not yet implemented

I wouldnt trust him

[soft shale]

also uptime on the shadow set bonus has to be bugged

it is slapping unreally

[alpine latch]

It's possible that they're pulling numbers from Details or something

[sacred isle]

Even if it is true. Why worry about how much dmg the gems are gonna do until we have them/it’s live

Not like you can plan much about it

[shy dust]

I would just be hesistant to trust them

[alpine latch]

I'm not worried, I was asking if there were early sims

[shy dust]

Would not be the first time a big streamer

said something wrong

[alpine latch]

Oh, 100%. That's why I asked

Also it wouldn't be the first time sims were wrong

[shy dust]

Ofc But i dont see how that is relevant

given we do not have sims for the gems yet

[alpine latch]

Refer to my "That's why I asked". I didn't know if they had been implemented or not

[tulip nacelle]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[teal bloom]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

wait that's me

[alpine latch]

Psch, what does Whispyr know about being a rogue

[limber swallow]

traitor!

[tulip nacelle]

it's out

[spice spire]

Yo