assassination

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487

whenever raidbots decides

[scenic root]

lmao

[balmy condor]

to pick up the pace

[scenic root]

maybe if i do 100 more dps my RL wont bench my rogue for my 212ilvl shadow priest poggers

[balmy condor]

melee > ranged

[scenic root]

im feeling he will make the call in like a week if council doesn't die lmao

[balmy condor]

I think I see the flaw in this sim

I forgot to turn gems off from the last sim I did

so this is a while

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tz5523wBEHYLPWDUXdkshJ how about 220 and the IQD

[scenic root]

DS giving that much dps, ugh i hate how slow it is. ill give it a go

[balmy condor]

you can go EP vig

[sudden rivet]

So, I'm not sure which of the three spec channels is the best to ask this in, but which covenant is the best to go if I plan on playing sin and sub... and outlaw combat if I have to.

[balmy condor]

depends on how much you want to play sub

[scenic root]

[sudden rivet]

Probably sub primarily

[balmy condor]

then venthyr

[scenic root]

yeah, necro for other two

[sudden rivet]

Well, Venthyr #6 here I come.

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iKzNDBmD3CyXcTxouxSmCo

EP vig only 20 behind

[scenic root]

ill try both talents out. is there any different holding cd pattern with IQD?

[balmy condor]

you just want to sync IQD with vendetta

so you would want to hold it for 4min usually

[scenic root]

okay, so pull with everything, then hold vendetta/vanish a min to line up again.

[balmy condor]

no no

you would hold the IQD

don't hold vend/vanish

[scenic root]

okay, some reason when you said hold it 4 mins, i was thinking hold cds till 4min into pull, so 2nd vendetta. not hold iqd for 4 mins to line up with 3rd vendetta

i understand now

[balmy condor]

if the fight is longer than 6 minutes though you'd miss a cast that way

so make sure you know the kill time

before syncing

[scenic root]

thanks for help.

[balmy condor]

no problem

[scenic root]

next week if council still hasnt died ill come back with bad logs XD

[balmy condor]

perfect

[gleaming atlas]

Just learning about all of the domination socket craziness on PTR atm. Doomblade on hands still going to be the play for 9.1?

[balmy condor]

probably cape

not sure yet

[gleaming atlas]

Had no idea we were going to be getting new places to craft them 0.0 glad we will be able to spam torg at least

[balmy condor]

yeah they seem to be adding pieces to avoid the socket stuff

[oak sky]

wouldnt it be so nice if they let us do like a one time per patch legendary slot swap

so their systems dont mess with their systems

[silver fog]

Is venthyr leggo on ptr still bugged?

[balmy condor]

starting to think it's a feature and not a bug

but yeah, it's still "bugged"

[wide hawk]

what is the "bug"?

[frail fossil]

the vers buff fall of after 12sec

and not 24sec like the haste

[wide hawk]

oh

[edgy cosmos]

32% crit plus MA talent and no crits makes me wanna kms

[loud silo]

thats big unluck

[dawn ivy]

god i hope i have 32% crit next tier

[final star]

they removed the stats from sylvanas daggers when they added the effect?

[balmy condor]

yes

[final star]

domination slots only on head shoulders and chest?

[balmy condor]

gloves legs boots as well I think

[final star]

wowhead tooltips so confusing rn

[balmy condor]

idk

[final star]

cba going through and working it out when the tooltips are scuffed

[charred wraith]

I think its head shoulders and chest for everyone and boots and gloves specifically for leather

[idle shard]

btw @balmy condor remember u told me to use serrated bonespike on stealth and then avoid overcap, and to use em with gemstones? But like during a gemstone window how many of them should I use? Just 1?

[balmy condor]

all your charges

[idle shard]

Any other time I should dump all charges?

On stealth too?

[balmy condor]

you should dump all charges if you have enough targets to dot up

dotting something always takes priority

[idle shard]

No but I mean for single target fights

[primal zodiac]

If vanish with Ma and gemstone overlap we still use normal MA prio, correct?

and dump after MA window

[idle shard]

Id think so, we usually use vanish to 5cp envenom

With toxic blade

Cant waste a toxic blade window

[balmy condor]

gemstones

that's it

[balmy condor]

correct

[idle shard]

Aight thanks

[primal zodiac]

ok, thank you =)

[balmy condor]

but a quick correction on what yena said, we don't vanish specifically for envenom

vanish into a mut is perfectly fine

[idle shard]

Oh but thats only if u dont have toxic when popping vendetta no?

[balmy condor]

nah

it just doesn't matter if you vanish mut or vanish env

[idle shard]

Oh gotcha

[balmy condor]

especially if you're playing with deeper strat

you have to mut twice in an MA window with deeper

no matter what you do

[idle shard]

Aight thats fair

[upper elm]

So sbs from stealth, snd, mut, gar, rupture, Vendetta, shiv, vanish and then? As st opener?

Double mut, env, sbs 2 times, env?

[balmy condor]

after the vanish you would mut to max-1, envenom, and mut with any remaining time you have in the MA window

you don't want to sbs in ma, except to apply the dot

[upper elm]

Sorry with Doomblade should have Said this

[limber lion]

Doomblade doesn't change the rotation ;)

[upper elm]

Y but with Deeper Strat i have to Double mut after vanish and After the envenom the Ma window will be Closed Right?

But iam still in gemstone Window

[limber lion]

Yes, you only get 3 abilities in the MA window, with deeper stratagem it's always 1x Envenom and 2x Mutilate

The order might change, but the abilities don't.

[upper elm]

Okay so sbs after this cause of gemstone window

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[upper elm]

Thx guys

[balmy condor]

np

[limber lion]

np guy

[final star]

🤔

[balmy condor]

the fuck is that

[final star]

Sanctum gear

for all slots

legendary slots at top

and domination sockets on coloured title of item slot

[limber lion]

Why just those 3 legendaries :p

[final star]

they the ones I use

[limber lion]

Ah fair enough

[final star]

should be fine

without simming and feelycrafting

[hazy crater]

[limber lion]

Which ones are the high ilvl ones?

[final star]

you done me dirty

I forgot

[limber lion]

[final star]

actually didn't change too much

the only one I am apprehensive of is ring

cos no agi

That includes all high ilvl pieces

all 7

[viral meadow]

is it a higher priority to make sure your dots are up on remornia as she bails intermittently?

[balmy condor]

higher compared to what

[viral meadow]

denny

[frail fossil]

p2 is about getting as much dots as u can

remornia funnels directly into boss health

[balmy condor]

they share health, so keeping dots on both, through any mechanic, is equal importance

[frail fossil]

so ur helping it to phase properly

so it is very important

if you're necro on sire it is very easy to keep up dots

[limber lion]

You just have to be aware when she's about to dip so you can make sure to reapply bleeds before she dips.

[viral meadow]

yeah

but the damage is 1:1 yeah?

[balmy condor]

yes

[frail fossil]

yeah look at the massacre timer

if it's called massacre i'm not sure

[viral meadow]

yeah

and impale but shes still accessible

[limber lion]

You keep all bleeds on everything

[frail fossil]

honestly being necro helps a lot there

cuz u get infinite CPs

so easy keeping up rupture/CT

[limber lion]

Mainly garrotes on both Sire/Remornia, but everything else on everything.

[frail fossil]

it's fun

p2 is rly good for assa

[limber lion]

Yeh. I did around 8.7k last time in P2.

[frail fossil]

i did 8.3k sadge

[hollow escarp]

I've managed to get used to dot up Remornia 3-4 sec before Massacre

[frail fossil]

next week aiming 8.5

[limber lion]

I can probably get to 9k if I had a better weapon, but oh well-

[frail fossil]

getting 233 in vault this week

for sure

[limber lion]

Definitely.

[hollow escarp]

my best p2 so far

without CT

[frail fossil]

P2 dmg

[hollow escarp]

100k more damage than me

[limber lion]

Practice makes perfect.

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it's fun to master that fight

[frail fossil]

owning the other rogue

RESPECT

[hollow escarp]

or the process of mastering it

[limber lion]

Sire is my favorite fight.

There's so many small things to minmax here and there for maximum dps.

[hollow escarp]

yep

the intrerupt ads platform is my favorite part

[limber lion]

I'm just sad that we have to completely stop dps for like 20s in p1

[hollow escarp]

swapping from named ad, remornia, sire to dot everybody up

and also getting the kick done

[limber lion]

Yep.

[hollow escarp]

not for assa rogues I think

[limber lion]

To some extent, but not that much.

[hollow escarp]

you can only get so much aoe damage

[limber lion]

P2 is the biggest thing.

[viral meadow]

are we terribly worried about CT being up for shiv uptime for doomblade?

or not worth delaying shiv at all for it

[limber lion]

We never delay Shiv for anything else than Vendetta.

If Shiv is ready, you press it.,

[viral meadow]

still the same if we have to refresh rupt and CT for adds?

[limber lion]

Yes.

You slam Shiv

But then you continue reapplying dots.

You don't have to slam Envenoms on 1 target just because you use Shiv on it.

[balmy condor]

you would think more people would be slamming shiv on cooldown after 2 expansions of toxic blade on cooldown

but it's still one of the most common mistakes

[hollow escarp]

yep, even now that shiv is not as big as TB

[west cove]

cuz we dont use priority system on rotation like some other classes. that makes people misjudge

[limber lion]

We do though.

[west cove]

people just want to envenom

[balmy condor]

what

sin is like

giga priority system

[limber lion]

You pretty much just go a priority list from top to bottom.

[balmy condor]

if anything, our priority system is EVEN MORE of a priority system than most classes

because we actually have ya know

priorities

and not "press this then that then that other one, over and over"

[viral meadow]

right. thanks. makes me feel a bit better about shivving on CD and not feeling like I have to have 3x envenoms

[west cove]

yeah but its not like giga decision making involved its more like use cds on cd then just build spent

[limber lion]

You never do.

[limber lion]

I'm not sure if you're aware what priority means.

[balmy condor]

this is peak decision making

[hollow escarp]

button shiny, me press

[balmy condor]

every spec in the game is literally use cds on cd then build spend

that's the recipe

for every dps class

that has existed

in any mmo

since the dawn of time

[west cove]

why pick enha over ele when the topic is about priority

[ancient kraken]

also dps rotations are not difficult. boss mechanics are also not difficult. both together is when it gets spicy

[balmy condor]

I picked the first spec that came to mind

I'm just very confused

why at the top

[limber lion]

Decision making =/= priority

[balmy condor]

you said we don't use a priority system

[limber lion]

I'll give an example of a priority list.

[balmy condor]

trying to make sense of that is all

[limber lion]

Serrated Bonespike:

1. Apply Bonespike to targets that don't have it applied yet, or;
2. Cast Bonespike during Gemstone windows, or;
3. Use Bonespike to avoid overcapping.

This is a priority list.

This is also exactly how Assassination works.

[viral meadow]

what would a non-prio system look like?

like a damage window?

i guess thats still prio

[sacred isle]

Hard rotation. Not sure if any classes still have those

Maybe fixed rotation is a better term

[balmy condor]

Ffxiv has a combo system built in

Where following X ability with Y makes Y do more damage

That’s more of a fixed rotation

[west cove]

yeah i see the logic but people ask similar questions over and over because of both uniqueness and vagueness of the spec. shiv + envenom is one of those because peole feel invested in to a rotational path when they use it (that is trying to fit as many as envenoms during the window) or “should i use rupture on a target which won’t last alive for 20 secs” because they’re told so to not do it but there is also thing of “low cp rupture energy snipe” and other type of micromanagement for efficiency. maybe more in depth guides and extra explanation is needed if the community asks same questions dunno it seems unclear for people to what move is correct and i see way more of these kind of problems compared to other classes

[grim jay]

I mean

using your rupture example

isnt "use rupture if it survives the duration" basically using a lower cp rupture if it doesnt stay alive for 28 seconds, but rather 20 or 16 ? 😄

[west cove]

i made numbers up because its not possible to explain a lot of moves cuz how situational the are to use in a certain way and without deep knowledge which i lack of xd

[viral meadow]

damn, haven't read the pins in a while. everything I asked is now in there

way to go grillz

[grim jay]

@balmy condor what do you think about the necro leggo nerf btw? 😄

[west cove]

another example of vagueness is i have yet to understand why assa rog should not replace mutilate with fok while fighting 3 targets with poisoned katar + no doomblade. i been told that its way less cp generation but it costs less than /3 of mutilate’s energy. maybe i should learn to run custom sims to see each options’ impact. but speaking for myself 3 targets and onwards confuses the fuck out of me while playing assa.

[balmy condor]

Hurts but probably fine

[balmy condor]

Because PK doesn’t push the value high enough to change the target count thresholds

If 4 targets is worth, and 3 isn’t, you need to increase the value of it (overall value, not just damage, I’m talking time spent, energy, cp, all that stuff), by enough to get to 3

Let’s say pk buffs fok by 10% overall

10% isn’t enough to get it down under 4

Something similar happened on sub

They use black powder on 4

In 9.1, powder is getting a damage buff somewhere in the 20-25% range

And it’s BARELY worth casting at 3 targets instead of 4 because of it

And that’s a simple comparison cause the alternative is eviscerate, both take cp, both do damage, and that’s about it

Fok vs mut has much more intricacy with energy thresholding, poison applications, how many bleeds you have out, cp generation, etc etc

[sonic schooner]

[mint gorge]

this has probs been asked 900000 times, but what's looking like the best cov for rogue, specifically around raiding in 9.1, I'm currently venth, apologies in advance xoxo

[west cove]

thanks for explanation i appreciate it

[sacred isle]

Its still early and many changes may occur. Necro and venth seems like the top candidates atm.

Venth for pure st and necro for anything cleave/add/multitarget related.

[thorny pond]

Many changes to be had. SBS criting now closes the gap but soulbinds and added trees add another layer of nuance still

[grim jay]

with current soulbinds the ST diff between necro and venthyr is rather
negligible, so we gotta see what the new soulbind-stuff gives, ye

[thorny pond]

I tell you know Ooze Kevin is gonna be my meme spec

[mint gorge]

that's fair, thanks all

[strange python]

if you're at 5 CP's with shiv up do you just shiv + envenom and waste the 1CP from shiv?

[hazy crater]

Yeah

[tardy basin]

What about covenants in 9.1? Vent for raid and necro for M+?

[gusty mirage]

Necro for anything with cleave or adds or aoe. Venthyr for pure ST

[limber lion]

We're not exactly sure which will be the best covenant in 9.1 Tuning/balancing could spice things up.

But currently Necrolord is the best covenant in most situations.

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[tardy basin]

yes, i understand that, just asking about current situation on ptr )

[limber lion]

But, why?

Just curious.

In previous expansions, we have had tuning patches a week before the release of a path as well as during the heroic raid week.

Literally anything can change, and some tuning/balancing things will probably change.

But yes, Necrolord is the best covenant for now. It's very slightly behind in ST (even less in PTR), so there's very little reason to be anything else but Necrolord.

[gusty mirage]

I completely speculate that Venthyr will still be ST king and necro will be the move for any cleave/aoe situation

If that’s the answer you’re looking for

[limber lion]

Venthyr can be a good choice for some bosses, but Necrolord still probably pulls ahead on most.

The only thing that's a bit of a questionmark currently, are the last soulbind slots, domination sockets, Sylvanas dagger as well as empowered conduits.

[tardy basin]

how many bosses with AOE? I counted 4

[gusty mirage]

Also for what it’s worth, as long as you’re not playing Kyrian you’re safe to pick any of the 3 and not be hurting yourself

They’re all within an acceptable %

And renown catch up will be even faster in 9.1

[sonic schooner]

There is a reason to be another thing than necrolord : Ysera 😳

[burnt star]

venthyr mog is the real endgame

[warm parcel]

Also depends on what you value

If youre metaslave

Just wait n see n copy fotm

If you need st for weekone proge youre likely ven

If you play m+ too youre likely necro

There aint no one blanket unless you just wanna turn off brains

[burnt star]

u could be vent for m+ if ur the only venthyr in your team too

and it would be a gain

[warm parcel]

That too

If you really dont care just wait for patch and do whats fotm

And if you have time, you can level up all to 40 right now

So you wont even be behind

[limber lion]

Yeah, and you can even do the quest to swap to a different covenant before-hand, if you feel the need to swap covenants the day 9.1 drops.

[warm parcel]

Thats my exact battleplan

[limber lion]

Same

[burnt star]

same

only keeping kyrian at lvl 1

cause.. f. them

[warm parcel]

Kyrian got to level 9 I think

Something along the lines

[final star]

Gearing next patch is gonna be a right fucking ballache

[limber lion]

@warm parcel planning to play Assa in 9.1?

[final star]

So much to think about

[warm parcel]

If I rogue yea

[final star]

I'm 40 on all covenants rn

[limber lion]

Are you choosing between war and rogue?

Or do you have more classes lined up

[warm parcel]

I dont pick

We need ap buff

Me bring ap buff

If no need

Me rog

[soft shale]

but do you bring banner buff

or that too much

[warm parcel]

fuck banner

[soft shale]

yea hahaha

i did manage to mindfuck all the holy palas to talent wasteland at least

[compact pumice]

banner must be more damage than not right?

[limber lion]

praying for Weakrogue

[warm parcel]

Idno if banners better or not

Its at least not something I wanna gameplaywise

[final star]

They have to be closest to you

It's really fucky

And not practical at all

[austere grove]

Did anything ever come of that Ion video saying rogues would get raid utility?

[limber lion]

Not yet and probably not in 9.1.

If we're getting anything, it's probably in 9.2 or 9.1.5.

[austere grove]

Shake :(

Shame*

[warm parcel]

Bomb next week

[limber lion]

[soft shale]

you can tricks of the trade the tank

pog

[cobalt pelican]

wouldn't be surprised if they add something as dull as flat crit% aura or some shit

but yeah a million years from now

[soft shale]

idno remember the outcry when feral was going to get leader of the pack

im surprised more people are not blasting the new covenant leggos

they are the simp masters

pala nf druid kyrian warrior necro and hunter kyrian new simp buffs

[cobalt pelican]

i feel like people are slowly but surely just giving up on the 'normalize/get rid of most raid buffs' and settling for 'at least give me something wtf'

[soft shale]

ahahah yea

[cobalt pelican]

and somewhat i feel like most of the pushback against leader of the pack was cause feral was viewed as meme spec

[grim jay]

as long as its enough to bring a rogue, who cares 😄

[soft shale]

lets not talk about feral too loudly because in pvp its going to eat into rogue comps with their new ms

but yea on new patch they just began giving simp buffs to many classes that didnt have it as easy

[warm parcel]

Im sorry but theres no way youre not getting into a raid cause you dont bring a crit aura

Like those world first problems only affect the two guilds that race

Stupid pugging adventures are just a whole other beast of stupid community perception

[grim jay]

its a difference if they actually affect the raid much or if people want everything in it because the world first guys use it or its a bonus or whatever

its like

people still would want it if rogue doesnt suck ass damage-wise

[warm parcel]

Theres a difference between being unable to join raids and being mandatory

Rogue is in neither group

[grim jay]

thats true, but even just being "nice to have" or whatever you wanna call it will atleast get you more spots than just being a dps-bot

[warm parcel]

But that only applies if youre pugging

If youre in a guild youre not suddenly not going to be able to raid

People move off of rogue themselves sure

Those are called fotmrollers

But folks who only rogue and only rogued for ages

Still do

[limber lion]

Hell yeah we do.

Gonna be playing rogue with or without raid-utility.

[warm parcel]

Id be a rogue too if our warrior didnt feel like not playing warrior

He wanted to swap

[limber lion]

Will ne raiding as rogue, with or without raid-utility.

[warm parcel]

So I took one for the team

[limber lion]

Good guy Weak

[sonic schooner]

Rogue 4ever

[warm parcel]

Rog been my babe for ages

[sonic schooner]

"Could I have an alt if needed to raid"

[spice spire]

Weak sacrificing for the team

[sonic schooner]

Gfy I play rogue and only rogue

[limber lion]

Same, since Cata. Haven't had any reason to swap thus far.

[spice spire]

Warrior definitely not a fotm roll

[warm parcel]

Warriors alright gameplaywise

But dont think of parsing

[limber lion]

Don't need to parse in a private log guild

[sonic schooner]

I could have applied on a guild that's was like 7/7d raids till the end of the progress going for real tryhard. I was happy then they asked me "we just need you to have also a war and a boomie just in case"

[spice spire]

Can’t top the world either, Cev

[sonic schooner]

I vanished out

[warm parcel]

I mean yea raiding n guilds are a lot about what you expect

And want

Go too low and you find the silly casual hc that need to carbon copy limit

So I do get that it is "an issue" that raidspots arent always there

But its just cause people are stupid not cause rogue isnt viable

[sonic schooner]

Yea let's run 6 dk but let's ffa the amz because we don't understand why we bring dk

[warm parcel]

Exactly

Theres been too many times weve watched some random guilds proge sire with 4 dks

And see a total of 2 amz and 1 ams uses in 9 mins

So why the fuck bring the dks in the first place

lmao

[steep reef]

[warm parcel]

I feel people should moreso focus on the tactics wf lads use

When it comes to bosses that are all about execution

Then just go with what youre comfy with

[limber lion]

Yeh.

[strange python]

which covenant is bis for 9.1 bossdmg? i heard necrolord will be stronger

[limber lion]

Throw a dart at a board.

[sonic schooner]

This is the most asked question lately

[warm parcel]

against a singular standing boss venthyr wins necro atm

[limber lion]

Could be Venth, could be Necro.

[strange python]

ah ok thanks didnt know

[warm parcel]

but how many of the bosses are target dummies

[limber lion]

albeit very very slightly

[sonic schooner]

Couldn't be kyrian

Or maybe. ...

[limber lion]

With the new crit addition to sbs, it's such a small difference

[warm parcel]

idno if you dont care just wait patch and pick fotm

¯_(ツ)_/¯

o right crit bleed forgot

big gains of 30 dps

[limber lion]

Yuuuge

The difference is mainly in the damage profile tbh

[warm parcel]

actually it was 60 or so for my char currently

[sonic schooner]

30 dps let's go big parse

[warm parcel]

spike sure as hell feels nice according to 99% of rogues

so theres that

[limber lion]

Like if you had to destroy Kael's shield.with current covenants, you'd probably wanna go Venth

Yeh, SBS is the best covenant ability to play with.

[warm parcel]

kt phyl too next tier

[limber lion]

Yup

Sire as Necro is just a lot of fun.

[warm parcel]

it slaps

[limber lion]

I don't care for p1 at all, but p2 and p3 are great

[sonic schooner]

I played kt as outlaw they asked me "what's hour burst CD? " I looked at them and laugh

[warm parcel]

[limber lion]

Outlaw

[warm parcel]

outlaw

could be 2 mins

could be 25 seconds

but it doesnt do shit

[sonic schooner]

I play all the specs for different purpose

Don't judge me D:

[warm parcel]

Thats the benefit of trispec

[limber lion]

That's fine. Some people are fotm slaves.

[warm parcel]

Rogue should theoretically be flexible

[limber lion]

It's okay.

[sonic schooner]

When on your inerva kill you got 5% active time on broadsides

I hate outlaw sometimes

[warm parcel]

[limber lion]

I honestly don't know what would be good uptime, but that sounds awful

:p

[sonic schooner]

At least I had 4mn of snd at the end of the boss

Very useful for next trash pack.

[warm parcel]

100% would be nice

[sonic schooner]

I literally started the expac as a subrogue, after curved sire I went outlaw because I wanted to smash buttons, and 9.0.5 I added sin to my toolkit

That's how much I like rogue in general

[grim jay]

used to like all 3 specs until combat got outlaw

now im only sin/sub 😄

[limber lion]

Sin or die.

[warm parcel]

Ive honestly been a sin simp since wrath

[sonic schooner]

Yea I miss combat but I still like outlaw, I feel like I m pressing way too much buttons for nothing and I like dat

[limber lion]

You got me beat :(

I'm a catababy

[warm parcel]

Technically I did start in bc

But that was the 2 weeks of prepatch

[limber lion]

Me too, but I don't count that. I played for like 3 weeks and didn't even get to max level

Played a melee hunter with a 2h weapon

Not sure why.

[warm parcel]

belf rogue named weak

since dayone

[harsh anchor]

Played modern survival hunter before it was cool

[spice spire]

Survival hunter Stan

[grim jay]

I started as undead rogue and now im human since ages bcs of friends. 😄

[warm parcel]

o ye

been to ally and back to horde later

that rogue seen some transfers and race changes

[limber lion]

I was more of a runescape/guitar hero player back then.

[grim jay]

best thing is

revisiting the games you play so much back then

just to ask yourself why you had fun with that

like metin2

😄 😄

[warm parcel]

early 2k was all bout the rts

cnc and wh40k

also cs

never enough of cs

[harsh anchor]

cnc generals will be the best cnc forever imo

[warm parcel]

zero hour still best rts ever made

[grim jay]

I actually started playing fps with battlefield. 😄

[warm parcel]

bfbc2 was a banger too

[grim jay]

ye best memories

are with bfbc2

[sonic schooner]

I miss a good fps

😔

Nowadays they re all battle royale or overwatch 😔

[warm parcel]

recent times in fps seem to be all about the horde coop

and more coming

[grim jay]

new battlefield looks good, but its wait and see with most new titles

[warm parcel]

yee

[grim jay]

kinda had hard times with everything being set in the (distant in terms of guns) past

I like the modern weapons and stuff

[sonic schooner]

I had faith and hope in valorant

The game was fun ... 3 days

[warm parcel]

didnt even install it

[drowsy coral]

beta was cool

[sonic schooner]

Yea because of the hype etc it was fun tbh

[drowsy coral]

Yeah, until all the plebs were able to join

[sonic schooner]

Best fps is minecraft anyway. That s set.

[drowsy coral]

Even coming from overwatch I was shocked by the toxicity

[sonic schooner]

Overwatch is really peaceful I always said it

Compared to CS or even Wow in some case

[drowsy coral]

Have you play in master/GM ?

Where everyone think he's the best player in the world

It gets pretty aids there

[sonic schooner]

I peaked 4k3

But average 3k8 player I would say

Tracer one trick

[drowsy coral]

[sonic schooner]

But yea ow is toxic specially EU, straight toxic

I liked to play on NA because I enjoyed the passiv aggressiv

And people just telling their life for random reason

[brazen rampart]

Just saw whispyr mention in the sub channel that necro is the play for sin in 9.1. How come? Does it beat out venth in ST or is the cleave damage just more valuable in the raid?

[soft shale]

st is really close and also wins on all other target count

for assa in particular

[brazen rampart]

alright, ty for the clarification

guess i got renown to grind

[gusty mirage]

You don't have to, it's not that big of a deal

it matters more if you plan on doing m+ as assassination or outlaw

[brazen rampart]

btw, side question. if i swap over from venthyr and at some point come back, do i keep my old lashing scars?

[gusty mirage]

you keep everything

including upgraded sanctum stuff + followers, etc

[brazen rampart]

ok great. thought i heard somewhere that people lost their cov conduit when swapping back

[gusty mirage]

I think that was a bug early on

I still had lashing when I switched back venthyr

[cobalt pelican]

necro is the play now too

[limber lion]

Yep, we're all necro boys.

[pure moth]

Switching back necro tonight after i finish off venthyr. Was bored so was leveling up other covenants.

[limber lion]

That's perfectly fine. :p Many of us have 2-3 covenants maxed out.

[pure moth]

Yea, i ain't touching kyrian lol

[grim jay]

feel you

only have kyrian at 30-ish bcs I used it as first cov

bcs of pvp

😄

[gusty mirage]

do I just spend my time until 9.1 getting fae up to 40 as well?

[limber lion]

Why not? Gives you something to do.

I mean, it won't take long to get to 40, but at least it's something.

[pure moth]

Might as well. doesn't even take long.

[limber lion]

I just log in and afk in the sanctum and do a few boosts here and there.

[gusty mirage]

you still log in?

[limber lion]

I have nothing else going on. Unfortunately.

[brazen rampart]

if i wanna get 40 asap, should i leave stuff like the weekly anima and souls quests and the campaign for later and just spam dungeons at the start? because renown drops get reduced when you get higher up

[limber lion]

You should just do LFR - Normal - Heroic raids to start off with.

The second you unlock your soulbind, you should be queueing to LFR.

[brazen rampart]

[limber lion]

Raids is the easiest, most reliable way to get renown quickly.

You can get to 31+ in one day, unless you get cucked by Blizzard.

[pure moth]

Yeah. I didn't even touch heroic. Lfr, normal, dungeons. Started campaign at 30

[charred wraith]

Is chain worse than phial on sire bc you are constantly taking huge chunks of dmg assuming chain is 226 and phial is 220?

[limber lion]

I would just use Phial personally.

At least for me chain sims like 4 dps more in patchwork

So Phial would definitely pull ahead.

[gusty mirage]

Phial is like Cev, hateful chain is like me

Phial is the greatest trinket we've ever seen

Hateful chain is a good fill in

[charred wraith]

deep

thanks

[gusty mirage]

Taking something you know will do damage 100% of the time is probably the better bet

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Cev is bis?

[gusty mirage]

Cev is indeed Bis

GOATed as we'd say in american sports

[maiden cave]

You guys think theres any chance sin takes outlaw's spot on the meters?

[limber lion]

In where?

M+? Raids? PvP?

[spice spire]

Little late to the party friend, we already have, in raid anyway.

M+ is doubtful for next patch

[maiden cave]

I meant PVE in general

[limber lion]

I'm assuming M+, because that is the only place where Outlaw beats us. But yeah, the gap is even larged in 9.1

[limber lion]

Okay, Assassination wins then.

We've been ahead of the curve for a few months now.

[maiden cave]

Hmm I see

[primal zodiac]

this may be a bit offtopic, but it is possible to hide waiter nameplates with plater?^^

[frail fossil]

done already

[primal zodiac]

cause i wont be handling them as sin rogue, but it clutters my screen xD

[limber lion]

Yes you can, you just have to add a mod/script for it.

There's some for the adds on Sire, you can maybe find one for the waiters.

Wago.io has plenty of mods/scripts for Plater.

[primal zodiac]

thanks as always cev ❤️

[limber lion]

[frail fossil]

can also do it with echo of sins

helps with lag

[primal zodiac]

hmm so i got the echo of sin one and modified it for the waiters, but it made them smaller but not invisible, is this supposed to work that way?

just so i dont try to work with a wrong script

[limber lion]

Yes I think so. I'm not sure if there is a way to actually completely remove the nameplates unfortunately.

[primal zodiac]

alright, thanks again for your help

[limber lion]

No worries mate, anytime.

[icy ember]

if i want to play venthyr, how far behind necrolord is it?

[gritty flame]

Sim yourself

[icy ember]

thx pal for the hot advice

[limber lion]

It's quite a bit. Venthyr only beats Necrolord in single target, but loses already in 2T.

The gap grows larger and larger the more targets/resets you add to the mix

[icy ember]

hm fair enough

[limber lion]

For me the gap in 2T with optimal talents is 250 dps in 5 mins.

So quite a bit.

[indigo ginkgo]

necro legendarie got nerfed ?

[soft shale]

yes

[limber lion]

It's probably still decent.

[brisk garnet]

Hey guys, I have had SBS lose a stack, not apply debuff and grant no CP on Sire a couple of times, does anyone know what's causing that?

[drifting cloud]

parry?

[brisk garnet]

I didn't even realize that could be parried, just shit luck then I guess

[tulip nacelle]

it gets deflected technically, but yeah basically a parry

[limber lion]

Yeah it sucks when it happens, but what can you do.

[patent junco]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[humble ginkgo]

do you play emeni or heirmir

coping and finally learning sin I guess

[soft shale]

heirmir

[limber lion]

Heirmir on everything.

[wintry spade]

test

[limber lion]

Some people are seeing some success with Emeni when padding on fights like M Council and M SLG

[humble ginkgo]

Im gonna play emeni I think

[limber lion]

Why?

It's worse in every way

On every fight.

In every situation

[humble ginkgo]

the fucking shitty cooldown from swapping back and forth conduits

lol

[wintry spade]

let me ask my question once again in hopes the discord wont delete it<?>
what EQ places are "safe" to craft legendary in and which ones have domination sockets? i can't find relevant info online

[limber lion]

But if you play Emeni on Outlaw anyways, wouldn't it make sense to play Heirmir on Assa?

So you don't need to swap back and forth

[humble ginkgo]

you play heirmir on outlaw

[limber lion]

Ah alright.

[humble ginkgo]

This conduit swap thingy should not exist

this game fucking sucks

[limber lion]

Doomblade on Cloak is looking like the go-to for 9.1, but who knows.

Anything can change.

We still don't have a release date for the patch.

Tuning and balancing can and will spice things up.

Your message got deleted because you hit a filter, by the way.

[wintry spade]

i figured i hit a filter, not sure with which word, i think i wasn't offensive but well

hmm, i dont have legendary right now

and i was hoping to craft doomblade

[limber lion]

You can ask the CF's about it if you're not sure.

[wintry spade]

since playing without legendary sucks

[limber lion]

Doomblade is our best legendary for raiding, but we don't have the cloak slot available yet

It's only coming in 9.1

We will all most likely be recreating our legendaries.

[wintry spade]

that's alright, i don't want to offend anyone so if the filter worked then that's fine

oh i see

[limber lion]

I mean, you can just create your legendary at 190 lvl

And stick to it for now

[limber lion]

[wintry spade]

thank you this is really insightful info (cloak not being available yet)

my brain isn't good in registering things like that from patch notes

[limber lion]

For sure. The other slots are either occupied by dom sockets or they have higher ilvl equivalents from the raid.

But yeah, dom sockets are still a bit of a mystery honestly.

[wintry spade]

i don't want to be nagging but i'm kind of tired of all the systems

[limber lion]

We don't know how strong they are, we don't know if you can upgrade them instead of destroying the previous one, we don't know if you can add a socket on your legendary etc.

[wintry spade]

it's yet another thing to learn 🤷‍♂️

[limber lion]

That's just WoW for you.

We always get new systems with new patches.

[wintry spade]

yes true

[limber lion]

We'll be getting tier sets in 9.2, so that's a fun addition

And maybe second legendary

[wintry spade]

true but i'm dreadful WHEN 9.2 will come out + i wish shadowlands finished already

i would like to change the scenery, the dead-land and covenants are not to my liking at all

[limber lion]

Yeah who knows, we don't even know 9.1 is coming.

It's been 7 months already.

[wintry spade]

the only thing good that came out of shadowlands is sire denathrius as a character

ye...

[limber lion]

I don't personally agree with this, but everyone's entitled to their opinions :p

[wintry spade]

that's fair, i just dislike shadowlands overall very heavily

[limber lion]

But yeah anyways, I would create Zold or Doom at 190 ilvl and then stick to it until 9.1

[wintry spade]

but i can understand if someone likes it

[limber lion]

Yeah, different strokes for different folk.

[wintry spade]

right, i think i'm gonna do that

[limber lion]

Mythic progression was fine, excluding some awful bosses.

[wintry spade]

i hate artificer and council so much

[limber lion]

Yeah and you can infinitely farm Soul Ash in 9.1 (with reduced rates) so if you "mess up" now, you can just get your bis legendary at 235+ by grinding for it.

So you won't be timegated from getting your bis legendary/slot.

[limber lion]

M SLG and Council are awful.

[wintry spade]

yea slg is a league of it's own

😄

[silent fossil]

prenerf m slg was one of the worst in a long time

[limber lion]

Yeh, and it's not even close.

[silent fossil]

it's like they didn't learn from BoD that fights that make you stop performing actions and stand around waiting for percentages to line up with timers is bad

[limber lion]

M Kil'jaiden would be a good contender for it.

[humble ginkgo]

yo do I press garrote

[limber lion]

Yeh.

[humble ginkgo]

when it falls off?

or 5 sec

[limber lion]

You use it during pandemic

You never let garrote/rupture drop

[humble ginkgo]

ok

[limber lion]

Are you aware of pandemic

[humble ginkgo]

me?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[humble ginkgo]

no

what is pandemic

lol

[limber lion]

In simple terms

If a mob has a bleed on it, you can reapply a new bleed on top, applying the full duration from the new bleed and 30% from the existing one.

Garrote is a 18s cd, so you can reapply it at under 6s to get it to pandemic and get the duration to 18-24s instead.

[paper crag]

Quick question everyone , when do you run deeper stratagem over vigor?

[limber lion]

So you have 30% of leeway to do stuff

[humble ginkgo]

I see

yea

that makes sense

[limber lion]

As Venthyr you generally use Deeper Stratagem in single target, but you should sim it.

BS/DS is very close to EP/Vig for Necrolords.

Deeper Stratagem is a great choice for Necrolords in heavy aoe fights as well.

But again, you should sim it at Raidbots.com

[paper crag]

the on diff with BS DS is taht u finnish at 5+ cp instead of 4+ right?

[limber lion]

Yes.

It's very slightly slower when compared to Vigor.

But yeah, I'd personally only run BS/DS on pure st fights (Shriek, Hungering, Artificer) and EP/Vig on others.

[paper crag]

i have been running BS Vig in most fights and i was looking at logs and i saw that almost no venthyrs was running that and i was wondering why

[limber lion]

Yeah, you should never really run BS/Vig together.

You run either BS/DS or EP/Vig.

BS/Vig is only a thing for Night Fae/Kyrian

[silent fossil]

my profile for necro is at a point where bs/deeper sim almost identical finally

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's like 13 dps for me or something.

[silent fossil]

down to 5 for me lol

[paper crag]

with Ep Vig is there any adjustments to playstyle i should do?

[limber lion]

Not really.

You just finish at 4+

That's it.

[humble ginkgo]

finisher rule is -1 right

[limber lion]

Yes.

[paper crag]

btw with MA do you open with Mutilate>SnD>Garrote>Mutilate(max cp-1)>Flag>Rupture

then vendeta?

[limber lion]

Almost, but not quite.

You would use Muti - SnD - Muti - Garrote - Flag - Rupture - Vend - Shiv - Vanish

So the Muti/Garrote swap around.

You want maximum value out of the 3s MA window.

[lime edge]

so venthyr best? yea?

[paper crag]

got ya

[limber lion]

Nah, Necrolord is the best.

Venthyr is only better in pure single target and that's only by like 100 dps or so.

[lime edge]

oh

[limber lion]

It loses in any aoe situations immediately.

[lime edge]

kk

thanks

[limber lion]

[paper crag]

i have to change to necrto but i just dont wanna farm renown

[limber lion]

Renown farming takes 1-2 days max.

[paper crag]

whats the best way to farm renown really

[silent fossil]

world boss -> lfr -> normal -> heroic -> callings -> campaign

m+ to fill out

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much that.

[silent fossil]

chance for random renown pops seemingly gets lower the higher you get so i'd save callings / campaign freebies for last

[limber lion]

Just make sure to save your weekly quests and campaign last.

[sinful citrus]

whats the main things that you guys look for in logs to try to improve?

[limber lion]

Bleed uptime
Energy waste
Combo point waste
Cooldown usage (Shiv on CD, Flag on CD, syncing CD's etc)
Opener
Rotation

[sinful citrus]

how do you check for combo point waste

[limber lion]

You choose the character, you go to resources, then you click the "Hit points" and choose Combo points*

[sinful citrus]

appreciate the "teaching to fish" 😄

never looked through rogue logs before lol

[limber lion]

For sure, analyzing logs is a good place to start to improve your own play.

Usually it's easier for someone else to look through your logs so you don't miss out on anything crucial.

[limber lion]

That's fine, gotta start somewhere!

[lime edge]

havent played since bfa

has the rotation changed much

[sinful citrus]

yeah i parse well on my boomkin/lock just dont know what im messing up so badly blue logs are meh lol

[silent fossil]

the fun part comes into play when your fundamentals are down and then you get to analyze logs to figure out how to cheese parses

[lime edge]

aside from the new abilities we got?

[sinful citrus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KZ9TL3WmjY6dcxAJ/#fight=last&type=damage-done this is the log im looking at im Kaltra in it

[limber lion]

Yes, it's changed a bit. I'd recommend reading up on the rotation from a guide, like the one on WoWHead

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

The main stuff still stands, like using everything on cooldown, keeping bleeds/poisons up at all times

But opener stuff and covenant abilities change it up slightly.

[lime edge]

gotcha

before it was just garrote rupture garrote mutilate rupture vendetta/trinket

[limber lion]

Yeah, so I'd recommend doing the stuff I listed in that order, it's pretty much the order of importance and also the easiest stuff to spot.

[lime edge]

and then fill with mutilate envenoms

[limber lion]

Yeah that has changed entirely.

We don't do double garrotes ever

[lime edge]

wow really

[limber lion]

And we don't use Subterfuge/Exsang or any of that stuff.

Talent builds and openers have completely changed.

[lime edge]

sub still for m+ tho

right?

[limber lion]

No definitely not.

[sinful citrus]

whats an acceptable cp waste? like sub 30?

[limber lion]

Oh I thought you meant Sub rogue

[silent fossil]

if you mean subterfuge and not subtelty

yes

[limber lion]

Yes, Subterfuge for M+.

[lime edge]

subterfuge yes

[limber lion]

Subt is generally the abbreviation we use for Subterfuge and Sub for the rogue spec :p

[lime edge]

true

xd

[limber lion]

Well, we don't look at Seal Fate CP waste

We only look at Mutilate/Shiv/Gar

[lime edge]

currently leveling rn

getting back into the game

[limber lion]

Your Mutilate/Gar waste should always be 0, no exceptions.

[lime edge]

wish we had corruption still

sad

having infinite haste with exsang was fun

[limber lion]

I looked at your log and saw that your Garrote/Rupture dropped a few times. That's a major thing that you need to fix, either by getting better weak auras, nameplates or taking a mental note of it.

@sinful citrus

[limber lion]

Sure was.

:p

But it's in the past now.

[lime edge]

i had expedient 18

[limber lion]

Same.

[sinful citrus]

alright

[limber lion]

You don't waste combo points, which is a good thing,.

Your opener however is quite flawed, might want to fix that. It's an easy fix.

[sinful citrus]

yeah i need to sit on a dummy and practice the opener

[limber lion]

It's almost there, but just a few gcd's are a bit off.

This is your opener.

This is my opener.

You should be doing SBS - SnD - Muti in the beginning, not SBS - SnD - Garrote

You should be applying Rupture first, then Vendetta THEN Shiv

You use Shiv very early.

You need to get both bleeds up first before using Shiv.

It's quite a small thing, but it's very, very easy to fix. Just practice a bit on the dummy and you'll get it :)

[sinful citrus]

yeah dont have the muscle memory for it yet

[silent fossil]

your vanish window is a little scuffed as well

[sinful citrus]

appreciate the help going to be maining this rogue for next tier

[limber lion]

Another thing, you don't use Shiv on cooldown enough.

If Shiv is off cooldown, you should press it.

[lime edge]

wait a second

does cut to the chase make slice and dice last permanently

[limber lion]

You keep holding it for like 3-10s every time, which eventually costs you a cast which is not good.

[lime edge]

once u use it once

?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[lime edge]

damn

insane

[limber lion]

Sure is, makes SnD pretty redundant.

Not sure why they even added the ability at this point

[lime edge]

yea

so u just press it once at the start and ur done

lol

[limber lion]

Yes.

Even if you cast it with 1 single combo point, you will keep it up for the entire fight.

[lime edge]

yea

[limber lion]

Unless of course if there's forced downtime or whatnot

[lime edge]

4 cp envenom is 12 seconds

which is insane

[rain mortar]

So many dang people keep telling me 9.1 is coming out on the 29th. They are wrong right?

[limber lion]

Yes, we do NOT have a confirmed date yet.

[limber lion]

Another thing is, that you never used Vanish again after the opener.

Always pair it up with Vendetta and Shiv.

It's one of our biggest cooldowns and it's literally tied to a talent, so you need to use it.

[sinful citrus]

i used it at 2 15

near the end of my vendetta window

[limber lion]

You used it once.

During the entire encounter.

I just looked at your Hungering Destroyer log as well, and it's a bit of a mess. Your opener is even more flawed on that one.

Definitely get that sorted.

[sinful citrus]

oh okay you werent looking at the same log i was

[limber lion]

I was looking at your Inerva log

that you just linked

[sinful citrus]

i was looking at hungering

[limber lion]

Nah, you linked Inerva so I looked at the Inerva log.

[sinful citrus]

lol makes sense

[limber lion]

But yeah, you should use Vanish right after Shiv in the opener.

You need to get that fixed, because that will also solve the problems that you have during the burst windows later on in the encounter.

You let your garrote drop 4 times in HD and Rupture twice.

Why?

Are you aware of pandemic?

[sinful citrus]

yeah just scuffing it lol

[lime edge]

pandemic is like the last 20% of your dots that gets added onto a new dot, right?

[limber lion]

Alright fair enough,.

[limber lion]

30%

[sinful citrus]

my wa even changes colors

[limber lion]

Fair enough, just need to pay more attention to it then.

Especially Garrote.

You don't even need to build combo points for it, you just press it.

[sinful citrus]

i think i was trying to squeeze in another envenom

why rupture dropped

[limber lion]

Sure, but that doesn't explain garrote dropping

[sinful citrus]

yeah thats just me sucking lol

[limber lion]

Because garrote is a generator, it should never drop.

But yeah

Never prioritize Envenom over the bleeds

If the bleeds are glowing/change color, make sure to reapply them

It's priority #1, every time.

But yeah, nothing crazy major.

You're not overcapping energy or combo points, so that's great. You just need to make sure you keep bleeds up, fix your opener and don't hold Shiv.

[sinful citrus]

awesome easily doable

[limber lion]

Definitely!

[sinful citrus]

gonna have to make my shiv wa bigger so smol brain sees it

my smol*

[limber lion]

Yeah, and even if you're at 0CP and 0 energy, you just slam it.

Don't trust anyone who says that you need to fit a X amount of Envenoms inside the Shiv window.

[sinful citrus]

i think thats what was happening with the 2-5 sec delays in it was building CPs to envenom it

[limber lion]

Yeah a lot of people tend to do that.

You just follow the normal pooling rules so you don't need to think about that.

I'd recommend reading the FAQ in the pins, it has a lot of good information to keep in mind.

[sinful citrus]

ive read it a few times just need to implement better

[limber lion]

Good stuff.

[misty holly]

I feel like there are a lot of fights where holding shiv is fine. it doesnt work when target switching. There are plenty of times you move out for stuff. I wonder if getting 3 seconds of shiv uptime is worth using it rather than holding till after shriek to get full 9s.

or any boss with something similar that takes you off target

[limber lion]

That's just stuff that you notice and get better at with practice.

But the general rule is still to just slam it on CD.

Losing a cast to try to "optimize" it will just ultimately result in a loss.

[warm plover]

Do you guys have any clue what covenant is looking like go to for raiding in 9.1?

[balmy condor]

Necro most likely

[warm plover]

Are we talking overall performance or in a single target/ execute scenario?

[limber lion]

Overall.

Venthyr is looking to be the better choice in single target but it's very, very close with the new addition to SBS benefitting from crit.

But, tuning is still yet to be done.

[warm plover]

True

Just raided as necro for 2 weeks now and if I am going to swap back to Venthyr I just want to have it done and then raid log til 9.1

[limber lion]

Necrolord is honestly a safe bet.

I'm sticking to Necrolord personally.

[warm plover]

Might aswell stay, already have all covenants at 40 renown so

[limber lion]

Then no reason really to swap around, at least not yet,

Tuning/Balancing might change some things.

I'm planning to do the quest to change covenant and just not finish it

So if Venthyr suddenly pops up, I'm ready to swap.

[warm plover]

Was thinking about that aswell but can you get renown for your current covenant then?

[limber lion]

Uh, not sure what you mean

If you swap to Venthyr, you will not get renown for Necrolord.

But the renown will not reset, of course.

[humble ginkgo]

alright ive got a hang of sin

its actually decently fun

[warm plover]

Its not what I am saying

[limber lion]

Hell yeah it is.

[warm plover]

If its in 9.1

[humble ginkgo]

still struggling with the opener but I like the rotation

[limber lion]

Ah yeah, no you will not get renown for the other covenant then.

[humble ginkgo]

not as fun as outlaw but im trying to get a raid spot next tier

[limber lion]

But renown will be timegated again

So you will not be able to grind it either.

And when you swap, you can just get to max in less than a day.

[frosty bridge]

2 per week again? Or more until you finish campaign i guess

[limber lion]

2-3 yeah.

[humble ginkgo]

and I was told if I play a 3 dps spec class I should be able to play all 3 of them at a good level and be able to swap for each boss to the best spec for the boss

I agree

[frosty bridge]

and then like 2 for the souls/anima quest weekly

[humble ginkgo]

so im tryna get better

[frosty bridge]

That's a great thing to do, but ultimately don't sacrifice too much fun

[limber lion]

Yeah that's a good mindset.

I'm personally just focusing all my efforts on Sin and playing it to the best of my ability and minmaxing it for every encounter.

Of course if Outlaw wins by a clear margin, I'm swapping.

But I'm staying on Rogue, that's not a discussion to be had.

[humble ginkgo]

ye

I know my performance on outlaw is better

but an average performance on sin on a st boss is better than average outlaw performance on ST boss

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure. It's good to play both at a high level to swap around if needed.

[warm plover]

And also, is the pre-pot thing going to be fixed as Venthyr?

[limber lion]

It already has been!

[warm plover]

When?

[soft shale]

thursday iirc

[limber lion]

Yes, it was hotfixed on Thursday.

[pure moth]

Good

[limber lion]

It was already fixed in the ptr. Very glad that they also decided to fix it in the live game

Most of the changes that they are doing, they are doing for 9.1.

Like all the new shiny stuff that they post on Wowhead, is all just for 9.1.

[mighty willow]

If i play Necrolord Sin at 9.1, which Legendary should i pick ?

[dawn ivy]

what content you doing?

[mighty willow]

raid

[dawn ivy]

doomblade still looks to be our best leggo, however we will probably be making it on a cloak as it gloves/shoulders conflicts with domination gem sockets

[royal lantern]

i mean

cloak is cheaper then leather

way cheaper

[mighty willow]

ok nice. i already preshot this. i can craft cloaks r4 haha

and the legendaries BIS for Sub will be on cloak too

[dawn ivy]

but with things still up in the air and sims not released its not unrealistic to see dashing push through

or any legendary for that matter*

[limber lion]

Yeah, anything can happen honestly.

[mighty willow]

yes of course, it is just to have an idea atm