assassination

[wispy marsh]

When we vanish do we want to have 5 CP for an envenom, mut envemon? or is mut, enven, mut fine if we don't have the CP built but vanish/Vendetta just came off cd?
Playing this spec for M Sludge and I haven't touched it since Uldir so appreciate any help, also any tips appreciated for specifically Sludge.

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

as long as you vanish during vendetta, you're good to go

any combination of mut/env works

[limber lion]

I hope you've looked into the rotation because it's changed quite a bit since Uldir :p

[balmy condor]

for sludge specifically, save every other shiv

vend on pull/2/4

hold 1:30's if you're venthyr/fae for pillars

you basically want to hold as much as you can for them

[wispy marsh]

@balmy condor Awesome, I knew most of this but it's good to see it reiterated and see that I'm not playing it awfully! Thanks so much!!
@limber lion yeahhhh, once BFA s2 affix was a thing I was forced to learn Outlaw and just never came back I'm having a lot of fun relearning the spec! Hated Sin for a little bit around EP but I am pleasantly surprised at how different it feels from Outlaw and after playing Outlaw so long, feels nice to play something different!

[limber lion]

Glad to have you back in our ranks.

[wispy marsh]

I know back in the day you could use TB directly after envenom and it wasn't really a difference between using it right before, is that still the case or do I want to use it before?

Well, now it's Shiv lol

[balmy condor]

just on cooldown

you can hold for envenom a little

I mean

hold for vend

but aside from holding for vend

should just slam it

[soft shale]

as long as you remember the -30 energy rule for envenom everything just fits together

[wispy marsh]

kk, been trying to build and use it right before envenom if at 4 or right after if at 5. Glad to know that

[soft shale]

then on shiv slam those keys

[wispy marsh]

I've always pvp'd as sin so I'm glad to say I'm decent at remembering to pool before burst

[balmy condor]

[dawn ivy]

ill be honest ive never even tried to look at what this -30 rule is, ive just pooled

i assume Im doing it as a byproduct of something else

[clever cargo]

is DB the best option to craft for raid at this point?

[faint harness]

its a weird situation atm

[dawn ivy]

yes.

[faint harness]

i was in a similar spot and if you craft either gloves or shoulders rn you might have to recraft them in 9.1 just a few weeks later

[dawn ivy]

soul ash is infinite and you will want to make it on cloak in 9.1

[faint harness]

"soul ash is infinite"

in what world

not warcraft at least

[dawn ivy]

torghast is repeatable in 9.1 for a reduced amount of soul ash per run after the first

[faint harness]

40% per run apparently ye

So its still finite

[dawn ivy]

40% but the amount got doubles already

so its barely a loss to just run level 8 a couple times by stealthing through everything

rogues can do torghast in ~8 minutes

[clever cargo]

Gotcha! thanks for the quick answer

[sullen garden]

Does anyone know what Addon puts that BtE debuff on top of the enemy nameplate? I want to create a similar debuff for when I Shiv on the enemy nameplate but can't find what addon/setting to configure.

[compact pumice]

Looks like Plater

But should be possible with any decent nameplate addon

[sullen garden]

Yeah I have Plater - anyone know how to add the Shiv debuff so it appears in that same position?

[compact pumice]

/plater and you can configure Buff Special for example and configure where that ends up

If you want to make an exception for just Shiv and no other special buffs/debuffs then you can use some more scripting shit under Scripting but that's a bit more advanced than I can put here. Would just download some plater import string then which is good and check how they do something like that then or just google specifically how to add a script

[sullen garden]

Okay ty

[lean coral]

mythic dreadfire and slg shoulders aquired this week feelsgood

[sullen garden]

Did some trial and error - the larger debuff icon (BtE) is NameplateAuras turns out.

[naive valve]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[ancient peak]

how long in general does rupture have to last to be worth using over envenom?

[balmy condor]

4 seconds baseline, adding 5 for dashing, 5 for doomblade, and 6 if you're saturated

[ancient peak]

Wow only 5 seconds thats insane

[dawn ivy]

just noticed bone spike will permanently keep the unholy domination gem debuff rolling forever

[sullen garden]

Can you Step to Evershade and Duskhollow or are they out of range?

[dawn ivy]

you can

probably want the conduit, and dont try to jump step until youre comfortable with the distance

[spare flame]

do i care about necro now that they nerfed the legendary?

nah i dont

[balmy condor]

you probably should

[spare flame]

if all i care about is hurting raid bosses should i just swap now

[balmy condor]

I would wait

check if the soulbinds make a difference

but necro atm is only like 50 behind

[thorny pond]

They keep buffing sub I may have to hop on the hype train like I did for GME and doge then get left holding the bag for the people who've been longing outlaw for the last decade

[wispy marsh]

Still practicing but can anyone tell me if I'm doing anything that looks wrong here? Obviously pug raid so super scuffed on that end https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kKQWP3a7rXpAdzY8#fight=5&type=damage-done

[spice spire]

Which one are you?

[wispy marsh]

Lalasrogue

Didn't realize there was another rogue, sorry about that!

[balmy condor]

replace that first mut in your opener with sbs

also need to vanish/vend earlier in your opener on sludge specifically, or else you'll be behind the ball for second pillar

also looks like you missed the shiv

[wispy marsh]

So mut/snd/sbs/garrote/rupture? or sbs/snd/mut/garrote/rupture?

[balmy condor]

sbs/snd/mut/gar/rup

[wispy marsh]

I did miss shiv window on second pillar :/ felt bad

[balmy condor]

also should be throwing spikes during pillar

when you get low energy

or if you have gemstone of course

[wispy marsh]

These are all great tips, yeah, running my pvp conduit atm because I haven't swapped to well-placed heirmir

[balmy condor]

well placed would be the go to for sludge

but otherwise we actually run sudden fractures

[wispy marsh]

I planned on switching it tomorrow, helping guildies with keys tonight as outlaw.

[balmy condor]

especially over that maim mangle

maim mangle is dogshit

[wispy marsh]

Yeah, this is my pvp soulbind 😦

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[wispy marsh]

Tomorrow I'll have well placed heirmir for raid! All these tips are super helpful. Appreciate it a ton

[balmy condor]

otherwise looks good though just checking some other stuff real quick

did that raid lust first pillar

jesus fuck

[wispy marsh]

I'll do another 2-3 kills and toss another log up here in a bit (provided I can find groups for it, lol)

[balmy condor]

what a tilt

[wispy marsh]

Yeah, the pugs are bad man

[balmy condor]

yeah everything else seems okay

[wispy marsh]

kk, after that opener and rup is on target, it's ven/shiv/vanish, yeah?

[balmy condor]

yep

on sludge though you gotta toss it out super early

I'm talking like after the snd

else you're gonna be late for 2

[wispy marsh]

And this might be a dumb question but when do we pop ven/van? Obviously on pillars but is it right when he hits or a second before?

[balmy condor]

as long as vend lasts the whole pillar, doesn't really matter

vanish anytime during the pillar is also fine

[wispy marsh]

Also might be a stupid question, yesterday while running I had a priest desyncing my Vendetta from Vanish with Night Fae ability. Should I continue to hold for vanish or use Vendetta and get it on CD? (This usually doesn't happen but I guess he liked me or something, haha)

[balmy condor]

yes

we don't vanish out of vend

[wispy marsh]

kk, so always Vendetta with Vanish and tell Priest to stick his fairies elsewhere, got it

[balmy condor]

yep

tell him to send a PI your way instead

:P

[lean coral]

finally have a 9 boss mythic vault

maybe ill finally get a dennis token

boomy in my guild has looted 3 tokens ina row

ive made it to 6800 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8EvBKFktMyCEBS8djEdVT5

i should probs get sockets

[wispy marsh]

Is DS over Vigor just a, if it sims higher, type of thing? Wowhead article says certain gear sets makes it viable?

Looking at logs it seems that it's the go to for strictly ST with Blindside as well

[wide hawk]

it's always the BS&DS vs EP/Vigor talents.

[wispy marsh]

New here so if this is a common topic I apologize xD

[wide hawk]

Blindside is more fun to play in my opinion, but also much harder while EP is just very strong

[wispy marsh]

Why is BS harder to play?

[balmy condor]

it's an extra button

[visual lotus]

its not that bad

[wispy marsh]

When fighting Council do we keep bleeds up on all members for extra energy regen? This is the last boss I haven't fought as Sin yet

[balmy condor]

1 additioanl boss

[wispy marsh]

kk, and earlier you mentioned sudden fractures over WPS, right? I think as far as talents and builds go I'm pretty good to go now. Thanks for being so helpful. I've asked some basic ass questions lol

WPS good on Sludge though*

[balmy condor]

yes

wps on sludge

[wide hawk]

does the ilvl of the conduit matter at all for sludgyboi?

[balmy condor]

no

[wide hawk]

I had a little discussion with @final star about it :p my WPS is ilvl 200 only while my boner upgrade is 213

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[final star]

[wide hawk]

logs suggested as much

[final star]

So did I

[wide hawk]

I don't trust Rogues

[final star]

[weary loom]

Soo i'm running olaw rn, but for denathrius i gotta change for sin, i'm NL 22% Crit, 13% haste 18% mastery , 20% Vers, this is an bad build for sin?

[final star]

If it sims the highest

Use it

If something else sims higher, use that

[weary loom]

i'm since day 1 trying get a dagger 😦

[wide hawk]

do you have at least 1 ilvl 226?

[weary loom]

i'm 224 equipped, nearly full BiS only gloves and shoulders left ( borringggg farm valor )

[wide hawk]

I mean dagger

[weary loom]

not even a single dagger sad

[final star]

Then play outlaw

[weary loom]

farming

[final star]

[weary loom]

from mists

[wispy marsh]

Explicitly talking about M Sludge, basic sim is recommending I run IQD for ST but I know increased dmg because of pillar, should I should stick with my dmg trink though? (226 Skulkers)

[wide hawk]

IQD is disgusting

[weary loom]

have no idea if phials/skulkers/DF are useful for sin xD

[final star]

If you are gonna get stats from 2nd use, then sure

But if not, just use double on use

[wide hawk]

IQD can be used only once reliably on sludgefist. :-(

[final star]

Damage trinkets

[weary loom]

DF same ilv as Phial

skulkers 226

maybe i'll be mad if farm daggers to outlaw sim higher on st 😦

[wispy marsh]

For other bosses is IQD decent or no? It's a 7 dps gain over my SKulker's lol, just rechecked numbers

@weary loom I just swapped a day ago

Full orange and Pink outlaw parses

and my purple/orange st numbers are higher than my outlaws

[weary loom]

damn

[wispy marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/tichondrius/lalasrogue#difficulty=4

Look at the outlaw numbers vs the sin numbers, and I've been playing SIn for a day, definitely helps if you need more ST

[lean coral]

Oh heroic

[wispy marsh]

I created a guild a couple months ago because I don't have one 🙂

[lean coral]

Thought you were a mythic god

[wispy marsh]

Could for sure have CE by now but no guild

xD

One day

80 Avg but we pug 10-15 members a week lol

[lean coral]

Personallyi hated skulkers when I used it

[wispy marsh]

I've been using it for Outlaw so long that it's just instinct now

Would be weird switching it for me personally

[lean coral]

It's fine for pure st fights imo

[hazy crater]

highly dislike the targeting mechanic of skulkers as well

[lean coral]

But cleave ones I hate it

[hazy crater]

glad I got rid of it

[wispy marsh]

That's true, LOL, doing M council recital and it leaps me into puddles

Big oof

[lean coral]

Trying to hit the boss and I just charge a nearby add

[wispy marsh]

Yeah, that's 100% the truth, maybe I'll swap to IQD and give it a try, sims 7 dps higher lol

[final star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/pirated#partition=2&difficulty=4

This is my heroic one

[wide hawk]

show off

[hazy crater]

not average 99 in heroic

[final star]

Mythic I am decidedly mediocre

[weary loom]

i'm doing better as olaw on st fights rather than aoe --'

dumb af

[wispy marsh]

@final star just blame the lack of guild coordination for M parses ;c xP

[final star]

Guild is fine

[lean coral]

I only do heroic for sales

So we have like 10 people in there just suiciding

[final star]

We are only 2-3 months old

As a guild

[wispy marsh]

Same here with my guild, but I'm super picky about who joins

We're on Sludgey atm, with 10 members max in raid

Hoping to kill this week and head to SLG and cry a lot

[final star]

Less than 2 months, actually

7 weeks

[wispy marsh]

@lean coral That's the goal man, hoping to have full raid team at some point next tier, don't think we'll get CE this tier so we're just having fun. Next tier sell H and do M as our normal raid lol

[weary loom]

we just got 1st day of denath prog few pulls 68%

[final star]

This tier is essentially done

[lean coral]

Ah my guild doesn't do the sales

Too lazy to organize that

[final star]

Don't even care what bosses we kill at this point

[lean coral]

I just run with one of the groups

I just want my Dennis weapons at least

[weary loom]

only 2 ppl have all conduits 226

[lean coral]

My luck with weapons is abysmal

So not looking forward to my sylv dagger luck

[hazy crater]

226 conduits actually dont even matter

[final star]

Next tier though we gonna be really strong

Since we haven't started 5 months behind

[lean coral]

My guild started about 2 months behind

[weary loom]

oh for me changed alot ( i do use only 1 power conduit 😦 )

[lean coral]

We had a main healer and a dk quit for tbc omegalul

[wide hawk]

since we're over 100 wipes in, it would feel nice if we kill sludgefist, don't really care about the rest of the bosses ^_^

[lean coral]

So had to replace them during sludge prog

[hazy crater]

A conduit upgrade from 200 -> 226 is a super minimal upgrade

you wont even notice the difference

[final star]

Yeah we're "invested" in sludgefist at this point

[wispy marsh]

Oof, that feels bad, I'm lucky enough that our Ele sham and mage just raid log for the time being haha

They haven't fully quit yet

[final star]

It's the first boss we've done in the raid that is hard

[weary loom]

ive changed my shoulders for +2 dps upgrade (leggo spot)

[wide hawk]

if you have to feel lucky people are raid logging, it's a bad sign. :-(

[hazy crater]

well you will never notice that difference either 😄

[wispy marsh]

Nahhh, I meant that as in when Classic first dropped (back during EP) I had a guild and all of us were like 99% avg parsed in H. First guild I ever joined and put time into

Classic dropped and they all quit

[weary loom]

when you got nothing left to do, its good

[wispy marsh]

Never joined a guild since, finally made one because I realized after first week aotc there was no point in playing the game without a guild

[hazy crater]

I mean, you can do whatever but that kind of difference in sim dps is not going to matter in literally anything

[balmy condor]

I hope that's +2 dps on top of the margin, and not +2 dps in the margin

[wide hawk]

it's not a single player game, and it feels good to play with other nerds.

[weary loom]

thankful was top margin xD

[balmy condor]

so it was in the margin?

[weary loom]

i went from 6601 to 6603 ST, /flex

~i'm feeling sim 7k as outlaw will be harder than playing with wrong status on sin~

[wispy marsh]

@wide hawk Honestly, didn't realize that as I've played solo for so long. The members we have right now are all solid people that are enjoyable to play the game with! Makes the content so much better and kills that much sweeter!

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uav9pKtCZxuXWYdfNqx61W
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8KxrqMWgetxdc6fXM8zNn9

here's 2 sims

without looking at the gear too closely

can you tell me which is better

[wispy marsh]

Is this a test because I feel like I'm failing it lol

[final star]

Neither

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to prove a point

for mr +2 dps

[final star]

They are essentially equal

[balmy condor]

not essentially

[final star]

Because of margin of error

[balmy condor]

they are

completely identical

the only thing I did was hit run sim again

[final star]

[wispy marsh]

Ahhh, that's what I thought but then you said don't look at gear xD

Didn't want to cheat on test

haha

[balmy condor]

that's why swapping gear that's listed as a sidegrade in raidbots

isn't an upgrade

sims run anywhere from 7000 to 11000 iterations (or fights)

if I can hit "do that again" and get a difference of 4 dps, on the next 7000-11000 iterations

then your +2

isn't really an upgrade

it's statistically insignificant

(if it sounds really nitpicky, it kinda is, but it's important info to know)

people have in the past, used pretty much the same logic of "well it's +2, so it's a sidegrade but its BETTER"

to take vault items, upgrade items with valor, put on their loot council as a minor upgrade, etc etc

happens all the time

[wispy marsh]

Yo @balmy condor tossed you a follow on Twitch for being super helpful all day. It's super appreciated!

[balmy condor]

I try my best

[raven geode]

Am I crazy or does necrolord not have a 5 target dummy pack.

[balmy condor]

it doesn't have anything other than the stupid 2 packs

[raven geode]

So we riot

[teal bloom]

Necrolords like to practice huntsman altimor

[final star]

Covenant halls inconsistent

Like venthyr has a 5 dummy pack

Night fae has 3

Necrolord is 2 only

Kyrian has everything

[wispy marsh]

When using IQD do you want to hold to sync it with Ven/Van? If holding doesn't make you lose a use obviously*

[hazy crater]

Yes

[wispy marsh]

Says BS/DS is a sidegrade of 38 dps, from my understanding of sidegrades that means they're so statistically close that it doesn't matter which I play, am I right or wrong in this?

[teal bloom]

38 dps shouldn't be within the margin of error

[wispy marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tf6wZyR9NzZPYgYgwdRABB

[hazy crater]

the highlighted rows are sidegrades for each other

not current gear

[wispy marsh]

Ahhhh, that makes sense, thank you! I've never gotten good with sims, lol, you'd think I'd know things like this by now

[hazy crater]

but im guessing the lower one has WPS which you wouldn't normally choose over SF

except on sludge

[wispy marsh]

Yeah, it does. Currently have WPS because Sludge prog later this week.

[hazy crater]

yeah, run EP/vigor on sludge though

[wispy marsh]

Well, I feel like i've got my sim to about as high as I can for this weekend. Feelsbad that all my haste gear is pvp gear. I have way too much vers, lol

Replaced a couple pieces but I think I'm rocking close to 20%

[hazy crater]

I would say you are just missing sockets right now. Swapping around secondary stats wont do much for you

you'd probably be at the ballpark of 6,8k with sockets

[wispy marsh]

That's good to know, sockets are big to miss. I leveled 5 toons to max first week of xpac and was doing everything you have to do on all of them. Just burnt myself out on the maw, went back not long ago to max her out after talking to a guildie one night.

Put the sockets that I do have on legendary rings for outlaw and the rest of stygia I have no clue where it went lol

[hazy crater]

yeah I only have full sockets on my rogue

no sockets on any alts

just cba

[wispy marsh]

I think next tier will be good for me. Finish raid roster for guild, new raid, new gear. And definitely excited to be playing a spec that I fell out of love with again. Hated this spec for a while but having a great time playing it right now. It’s a breath of fresh air

[mighty hazel]

raid talents ?

[hazy crater]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hazy crater]

I'm not sure we even have a raid team for next tier unless some info starts to drop

People are losing interest fast

[vestal wren]

it would be weird to lose interest now if people sustained it to this point

[hazy crater]

Well they haven't really sustained it, but the longer this goes I feel like returning is more and more unlikely

[deft obsidian]

Indeed it’s kinda the home stretch now

[hazy crater]

well is it really? all we know patch could be 2 months from now

[deft obsidian]

But between alts and TBC it’s just time fillers for now

[wispy marsh]

Honestly, I took my break early. Was able to get first week aotc and as a pug hero that was my CE. Quit playing the game for a couple months so I think that helped me continue going this long. That and I started building a raid team. That’s been “fun”??? Lol, it’s like herding chickens but a good time😂

[deft obsidian]

I mean it’s unlikely tomorrow or the next day but ptr, TBC and alts keeps me busy

[wispy marsh]

I started pvp’ing on alts, that’s kept me sane. Trying to get 1800 on my really under-geared alts for the sets.

I assume worst, so I think patch coming later than earlier

https://youtu.be/Jfl8fgF7HLM if you haven’t seen yet

[hazy crater]

we are pretty casual so most people dont even have alts or care for them

[hybrid cosmos]

hey guys, im sure it was asked before, but is there any written or video content on 9.1 theorycrafting for assassination? the pinned messages are pretty much old information. Is there any conten creator who is focussed on rogue and or assa and the incoming changes, leggos, setboni etc.

[mighty hazel]

is this really good for dps ?

[hazy crater]

Yes

[mighty hazel]

i have this 2 now

[hazy crater]

Those are good as well

[red pagoda]

does elaborate planning affect trinkets?

[limber lion]

No.

[red pagoda]

thanks

[mighty hazel]

i also have stone legion trinket i220

which better wing or stone ?

[limber lion]

Wing

[mighty hazel]

okey tu

ty

[raven vapor]

bit offtopic but i can't find any info on this, is there preferred places to use fleshcraft during plaguefall?

[balmy condor]

not really

most people don't even bother casting it honestly

[raven vapor]

cool so just use it whenever, just wanted to make sure nothing was expected

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[arctic walrus]

Well pick up the slime buffs

[frosty bridge]

Wake up sheeple, the theorycrafters are lying to us so we never overtake them in DPS

Tiny Toxic Blade is the true legendary

[green harbor]

why do i see so many assa rogues use master assassin and the master assassin talent at the same time in pugs?

[balmy condor]

cause they're idiots

[left flare]

Assa stat prio for pve haste mastery or haste vers?

[balmy condor]

!stat

fuck

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[final star]

slime buffs are picked up by walking near them since 9.0.5, don't even need to channel

[tulip nacelle]

you have to have fleshcraft on cd though

[wispy marsh]

@balmy condor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fDaHt1GwxbZrKqvz#fight=7&type=damage-done Improvement

[balmy condor]

indeed

[wispy marsh]

I still messed up on throwing SBS when out of energy on Pillar, caught myself spamming Mut with no energy

[limber lion]

Beast

[wispy marsh]

I've killed him 3 times today and each time has gotten better! All thanks to y'all helping me out! ABout to be top dps on our Mythic kill 😄

[limber lion]

Heroic is a perfect place for practice, I always preach it.

[west cove]

there was a spreadsheet for rog defensives

how can i access that

[limber lion]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[west cove]

thanks

[limber lion]

[strange python]

wait haste and vers are the 2 best stats not haste/crit?

[balmy condor]

=> means it's usually very close

[strange python]

I just crafted doomblade with haste/crit yesterday so hope it's not that big of a deal

[balmy condor]

stats on legendaries matter VERY little

haste crit is probably even the optimal choice

[hazy crater]

cursed command giving stat recommendations

[vestal wren]

versa is never bad

[balmy condor]

cursed how?

[hazy crater]

I think a lot of people just read that and then stack their low ilvl haste/vers gear because stat command said so

because it doesnt mention agility etc

[balmy condor]

agility is always implied

that's not something you can optimize for

it also says in the very first sentence to sim

[hazy crater]

yeah, but why even give a recommandation then

just my opinion

[limber lion]

@balmy condor Remember when there was one dude in here preaching that Vers is a dead stat in PvE and you should get rid of it completely?

[hazy crater]

just sim then

[balmy condor]

because people want a quick answer

[hazy crater]

sure, but its still a wrong answer kind of

[lost horizon]

The command says sim twice

[frigid kestrel]

Some people cant be bother with simming

[balmy condor]

wrong how?

[frigid kestrel]

legit people tell me its to much work

[balmy condor]

I still fail to see how you say it's wrong

because a priority of secondary stats omits primary stat?

[hazy crater]

haste is not always > vers or crit

[limber lion]

It is

a

recommendation

[vestal wren]

there is no reason to be concerned about an individual using information wrong

[hazy crater]

maybe

[balmy condor]

I feel like

[balmy condor]

reading the command

really helps here

[vestal wren]

esp. if you give information on what to use

[lost horizon]

Again, shit says to sim it, twice

[limber lion]

Recommendation is not absolute.

[warm parcel]

Give recommends? "Theyre wrong"
Dont give? "WHere my stats?"

Lose lose

[vestal wren]

its like most coffee cups now have a "carefull its hot" written on it

[sacred isle]

People will never be happy 🙂

[vestal wren]

but if someone goes and drinks it straight away and burns themselves from the heat, you are not concerned that he did it

[hazy crater]

I don't really use the command or the recommendation so yeah I could be wrong

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

the general recommendation is accurate

[hazy crater]

Thats just how I felt most people will understand that

[balmy condor]

so idk

why it's an argument

[hazy crater]

it's not, I stated my opinion

[vestal wren]

you need to expect some amount of self initiative and thinking, and if its not done it shouldn't be your concern

[hazy crater]

not really arguing

[limber lion]

It's like Esra earlier saying that "people will misinterpret holding Shiv as holding Vendetta"

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

i mean "use everything on cd" is still a very good approach to assassination if i recall it right

[sacred isle]

Imagine if our grandparents needed the amount of hand holding this generation is accustomed to.

[limber lion]

"It's wrong" is not an opinion lol

[sacred isle]

I still feel careful hot Coffee is over the top

[balmy condor]

I mean you can both state your opinion, and nitpick about a generalized recommendation with no reason

[vestal wren]

its wrong is an statement and an opinion ceverion

[balmy condor]

that's perfectly fine

[vestal wren]

i think we do the same by stating that general stat weights are still not 100% tailored to your gear situation

[limber lion]

It's not an opinion though

[hazy crater]

yeah arguing would be "now you must change this command to suit my opinion"

[limber lion]

"Kyrian does the most dps for Rogue"

[final star]

you should sim my gear for me then

[limber lion]

That's not an opinion

[balmy condor]

but just saying "it's wrong because I'm not reading the whole thing"

kinda weird

[limber lion]

That's just an absolute false fact.

[sacred isle]

Exactly my point

[warm parcel]

I mean weights arent even supposed to be used

[vestal wren]

i mean, i am still in favour of making it shoter

[warm parcel]

Nor addons like pawn

[balmy condor]

that would have the opposite effect

[limber lion]

I'm still completely flabbergasted by the fact that stats get brought up every single day

[wispy marsh]

People don't know how to sim ;c

[vestal wren]

e.g.
Multistrike > hit >= attack power > armor
note: consider simming to get accurate results for your gear situations

[hazy crater]

Indeed, I would just prefer not to give a stat recommendation in a command. But as people showed me its there for a quick answer

[warm parcel]

If I could pick, I wouldnt have it either

Alas thats what the community in wow is like

[limber lion]

The problem is

[balmy condor]

so do you think having it in the pins is wrong too? how bout a guide?

[limber lion]

That it gets asked in here

10 times a day

If you would like to be here telling people that "You should sim yourself to get best results, but generally haste is the best stat for Necrolord and crit for Venthyr, especially if you're using IQD" then go ahead.

But it's not really a thing.

[hazy crater]

pins and guides explains them at least a bit more. Like why some stats are good and what are they good for

[warm parcel]

But that ultimately changes nothing

Stats are, were and will always be personal

And depend on your current pieces you have

[vestal wren]

i introduced the stat weights back in BfA given how frequent the question was

also always with a disclaimer asking people to sim

[limber lion]

I actually had mastery as my highest weighing stat at one point.

How wild is that?

[warm parcel]

Mas is my #2 atm aswell

Cause I have 0 of it on gear

[hazy crater]

it's not really wild and explains why I don't like what I stated

[limber lion]

But the thing is

That ilvl > agility > secondaries

[vestal wren]

stats can't be universal because you cover a to far range of gear, esp. in sl having diffrent covenants or legendary powers can significantly change whats best

[limber lion]

You should not be even looking at stats

If you're comparing a 220 item to a 207 one

You shouldn't have to sim the item

Or look at a guide

for which item is better and which stats are better

The other piece has 13 item levels more

So it's better.

Period.

It's quite simple.

The people looking for quick answers to stat weights are not us, the mythic raiders, with full 226/233 gear

It's the people who are leveling their characters, building their gear. We always specify that ilvl is king because of agility, but if you were to compare two 207 items to each other, then you're probably safe picking the one with haste/crit instead of mast/vers

[balmy condor]

y'all ever just get headaches

[vestal wren]

so a generalization just shows what's good to use, but ultimately not nessecery the best.
what's still good for a quick estimate to know what to look for

[limber lion]

daily

[vestal wren]

i think the itemlevel issue rly is only present for bis lists

when people would use their "bis" piece on itemlevel 200 instead of the 240 itemlevel from raid with "worse stats"

and this is still a issue of understanding rpg systems

[hazy crater]

Yeah probably

[final star]

petition to change to "equip highest ilvl else sim"

[vestal wren]

e.g. the community know that itemlevel is relevant on a weapon (usually)

so if someone gets a weapon that's a 20 itemlevel upgrade he rarely goes "oh wow this is shit"

[hazy crater]

if the goal is to be a quick answer I don't think it would be bad to at least say that the "secondary" stat recommendation is X or adding agility to the list.

Maybe could get rid of some "do I equip this 213 haste/vers item over this 226 mastery/crit"

[vestal wren]

honest question

[compact pumice]

Tbf, bis lists used to be easier and more trustworthy. Nowadays any slot has like multiple sidegrades and ilevel versions. It's impossible to make a bis list that takes all of this into account and works for everyone despite what they already have. That's why simming is so powerful and necessary, just due to the complexity in gearing when there's so many choices.

[vestal wren]

do you know how much agi you get from a 3 itemlevel upgrade?

[final star]

1

[hazy crater]

depends on the slot

[final star]

depending on piece

1-3

[compact pumice]

I've heard monks complaining of weapons being shit even with ilevel upgrades in 6 or 12 ilevels just because it has haste

[limber lion]

Exactly, and that's why we are giving recommendations. It's in the word.

[compact pumice]

Even saw it in here (was monk main)

[vestal wren]

for healer?

or ww

[compact pumice]

Nah was for WW

[limber lion]

Then they're dumb.

[compact pumice]

Turns out, it wasn't shit, and we simmed it for him

He was just drilled into hating haste so much

[vestal wren]

adding agi to the stats doesen't rly change anything
it would be agi > rest

[compact pumice]

I mean haste is pretty shit for a monk in general unless you hit a breakpoint but still, ilevel is almost always king anyway

Just not on ring/neck

[limber lion]

What kind of breakpoints do they have?

[compact pumice]

Like 30%? Quite large

[hazy crater]

sure it is the same, but does the wide playerbase know that agi > rest

[limber lion]

But

What does it do?`

[warm parcel]

Monks have no stat breakpoints

[limber lion]

^

[warm parcel]

Cause only thing they have is 50% haste you cancel fists

So its just when you get lust/pi

[compact pumice]

Allows a different rotation afaik, since you do different shit depending on how many haste procs/buffs you have

[vestal wren]

the question is, what do they get from that information

[limber lion]

I doubt many (if any) classes have breakpoints

[compact pumice]

And pop Xuen

[warm parcel]

Yes you cancel fists past 50%

[limber lion]

WoW has moved to a more dynamic gameplay over the last few years.

[warm parcel]

But as you literally want 0 haste on gear

That only happens with 2 of the haste buffs

[vestal wren]

e.g. to come back the the 20 itemlevel diffrence, unless you have a super big outliner the amount of extra secoundary stats will alone be suefficient to make it better

and knowing that agi is a good stat doesn't rly change anything to that

[compact pumice]

Yeah fair enough. BUT if a monk had 30% haste from gear, then that point would happen more often

[hazy crater]

yeah I guess not

[compact pumice]

But yeah it's quite a bit simpler now to cancel fists since the change

in 9.0.5

[limber lion]

Yeah, but that's not a breakpoint then

That's an upper limit.

Breakpoint is when you get over a certain point and then you suddenly get a huge boost

Like getting an extra tick on your dot or something.

[warm parcel]

It is that exactly

It lets you cancel fist for more deeps

:D

[limber lion]

Oh

I thought fists was mega dps

ok

[balmy condor]

[hazy crater]

get that sweet 50% haste for cancelling FoF every time

[balmy condor]

why is this still headache conversation

[limber lion]

I thought canceling fists was a bad thing

kek

[warm parcel]

fists suck

[final star]

it is

[warm parcel]

youd rather cycle thru other spells

[limber lion]

Ok good good

I played Monk in Legion and fists were dank

[compact pumice]

Yeah fists is decent enough in AOE now though, which is a lot more reasonable, since it feels so unintuitive for someone who has like recently leveled a monk to unlearn not to fully channel the one ability that on paper feels like you do a lot of aoe

[sacred isle]

Dno if fire getting one more pb into comb counts as breakpoint

[compact pumice]

But with enough haste it's actually fine to channel it fully in aoe now afaik

[compact pumice]

Yeah I think it does

[sacred isle]

But we are rogues so we hate mages so 🤷‍♂️

[limber lion]

Legion fists

But anyways, any assassination rogue gamers in the chat

[hazy crater]

for now, probably time to reroll soon to help guild

[compact pumice]

Assa will help enough!

[drowsy coral]

So do I keep my 216 haste dagger instead of my 233 mastery dagger ?

[compact pumice]

Wonder if we get that damn utility ability though

[hazy crater]

it would help unless it was heal that is needed

I think the utility is a myth for now

maybe 9.2

[limber lion]

I don't want raid utility.

Tier sets though

[drowsy coral]

If we were given a copy of DH darkness I wouldn't complain

[limber lion]

Why should rogue have ride wide utility

We should provide some sort of damage buff instead.

[sacred isle]

Would prefer that to. Doesn’t fit our “kit” to have a dmg reduction in my mind

[hazy crater]

isn't that technically utility, or is there another word for mystic touch etc

[sacred isle]

Raid buff

[compact pumice]

For real class fantasy we should be able to stealth past bosses to progress non-linearly

[limber lion]

Yeah that's true.

Let me rephrase

Don't give us some dumb ass raid wide defensive utility shit

[compact pumice]

Give rogues Windfury totem

[frigid kestrel]

I bet its going to be something like a Smoke Bomb that gives Physical Damage a %50 chance to miss and be useless

[final star]

find weakness now all specs, applies 5% armor penetration

⏸️

[frigid kestrel]

ALso Joke

[fallen arch]

Agree, if at all it should be offensive. Like the class

[hazy crater]

Yeah

[fallen arch]

I mean, it offenses people already when I’m in a raid for some reason as a rogue

[sacred isle]

Fatal flaw. Finishing moves expose a weakness at target increasing the likely good of being critically hit by 5% for 10 seconds

[final star]

rng

want a raid buff to be consistent

[compact pumice]

The only thing I actually want is a "realistic gauge of what to expect from Blizzard". I suspect they have been very affected by recent changes both worldwide like the pandemic but also internally.

[sacred isle]

How is that rng?

[final star]

let's compare it to current raid buffs

AP

magic damage

physical damage

smart buff

they are all consistent

[sacred isle]

And 5% crit isn’t consistent?

[final star]

no it's not

your crit will not go from say, 25% to 30%

[limber lion]

8 minute encounter, 20 players, thousands of melees and abilities

[sacred isle]

Ok. Guess I should remove all crit from my gear and get mastery because its not consistent

[limber lion]

I think it'll increase the raids damage pretty consistently.

But yeh I do get what Kieron means.

[hazy crater]

Yeah it would be consistent enough to never notice a difference of good or a bad pull

[copper sundial]

im not picky, any offensive raid wide utility would be great at this point

[final star]

that's why it's hard to give rogues a raid buff

because the existing ones already fill in consistencies

the only other thing I could really think off it main stat buff

[compact pumice]

I mean there's nothing stopping everyone from just getting the pull of their lives with crits appearing more than double the amount as usual and the whole raid's DPS skyrocketing. This can happen even with everyone having quite low crit% overall, but is extremely unlikely to happen

[final star]

Ya like I've had one of our warlocks get 0% crit on rapture on a pull

[compact pumice]

[hazy crater]

I blame crit luck and blizz variance for not getting 100's

[final star]

sometimes crit can be the difference tbh

[frigid kestrel]

I know this aint huge, but you could do some pretty nutty things in M+ with Smoke Bomb is they made that PVE again. %10 less damage and you can round adds up pretty tight for some very decent AOE pulls.

[compact pumice]

At least we don't lose CP and energy on parrys. Used to be dodge meant 100% loss of damage, even from behind, could be really really unlucky and get like 3 dodges on Eviscerate on a fight with like 5 evisc total

[frigid kestrel]

id be happy with just that back alone

[final star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zBRA37gxd9bfYpJ1/#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=13

he didn't crit once

[hazy crater]

how much variance did they decide to add btw? 3%?

[limber lion]

5%

[final star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zBRA37gxd9bfYpJ1/#fight=15&type=damage-done&source=13

and again

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zBRA37gxd9bfYpJ1/#fight=32&type=damage-done&source=13

god damn he can't crit

[compact pumice]

I mean his crit from gear is pretty low, only 4 parts with crit on em and only 2 with 1st secondary. But still pretty unlucky

[final star]

yeah, warlocks rely on trinkets for crit usually

and he doesn't have them

[runic terrace]

So with the change to the Deathspike legendary will Necro be our best covenant for Assa overall?

[balmy condor]

it's already widely regarded to be so

with or without the lego

[vestal wren]

i hope the new soulbinds are in simc soon so that we can have a more complete view on covenants

[hazy crater]

would be nice

[vale marten]

final venthyr soulbind traits for nadija nd theotar look really nice

[tribal marlin]

seems like necrolord get an additional soulbind trait tho

bit wierd

tbh

https://i.imgur.com/YwInA4d.png

other soulbind don't have damage trait here

err, Venthyr soulbind don't have it* (nf neither)
Kyrian soulbind have it also

it further more bear for the dominance of necro in multi target situation tbh

[fathom swift]

yeah theres some weird balancing this time

also difficult to evaluate with some having effects that only work above or below x%

[vestal wren]

kyrian is slightly behind by default

so them having it seems reasonable

but i am not sure how strong each individual updgrade is

as it could be that venthyrs "once per day" buff is significantly stronger

what would shift the balance more in favor to them

[quiet juniper]

Hey guys I want to play rogue based solely on dots instead of mutilate, do you think that's possible ?

[tribal marlin]

the venthyr buff only last 1h :/

but you can get it with Nadjia

like just take Theotar, get his gift, and switch back to Nadjia

[vestal wren]

you can iirc trade the consumable

so you can unless it changed have multiple

[tribal marlin]

Wow you mean by some at the auction house xD

[vestal wren]

i am not sure if you can sell them on the ah

[tulip nacelle]

it's not if you actually want to do damage

[vestal wren]

but if possible i can see that being a thing

[tribal marlin]

I can check quickly

it's soulbound but it last 3 days so you can stack some

but it's kinda pointless for people like me that raid 4h per day during progression :/

[quiet juniper]

I just found it fun, dont care if it is underwheilming as long as it can works somehow

[tribal marlin]

The buff should last 24h and randomly switch every day

[balmy condor]

work in what context

[vestal wren]

okay that makes it way less potent

[fathom swift]

i really hope the theotar ability doesnt go live as is

[quiet juniper]

as long as it can pull average damage for raid and mm+, even if it need precises stats, soulbind, lego and conduit

[fathom swift]

only being an hour duration has awful impacts on gameplay

[vestal wren]

but if you can switch on other soulbinds and use it its still a "once we are rly close to killing" use item

[balmy condor]

yeah no not happening

[quiet juniper]

too bad //

[balmy condor]

sin without mut, and only bleeds, is super super boring

basically ignoring half the spec

[vestal wren]

bleeds are by design something you don't use that much

[misty holly]

garrote, 1 point rupture, wait 5 seconds for garrote cooldown?

is that the gameplay loop?

[limber lion]

Yes

[vestal wren]

mut is a filler between maintaining bleeds, so if you only want to use dots you would need to add quite some more

[limber lion]

Gar > rup > gar > rup would be the rotation. Very cool. Maybe add a MFD > CT somewhere

[final star]

Good troll tbh

[limber lion]

Yeh, sparked an interesting convo though.

[quiet juniper]

I see

[vital tapir]

you could add sepsis there

or sbs

depending if we're allowed to use sbs after the 1st time

[burnt star]

Mut aldo has a bleed with Db

U would need to include it

[tulip nacelle]

it was specifically no mut

[vital tapir]

he only wanted bleeds, so no instant dmg

so no mut

[balmy crane]

Question: new to playing Rogue in SL (but not new to Rogue). What should I be doing on Sire (heroic) to increase my damage?

Should I just be focusing Sire and doing boss damage? Is that my job as assassination?

[vital tapir]

that's why even using sbs more than once is questionable

[vital tapir]

dot up the adds too

and raemonia or w/e her name is

the sword.

[balmy crane]

In P2... P1 just Fan when I can when the little adds are up?

[balmy condor]

fan on 4

yep

[vital tapir]

guess you could use CT in p1 but I reckon it's not worth it?
ceve and whispyr are better people to ask that

[balmy condor]

definitely worth

[vital tapir]

since I've played sub on every sire fight I've done

[balmy crane]

I was unhappy with damage last night but I’m also 207 with 187 weapons in a guild of 213-220 semi casuals.

[limber lion]

You dot everything up in P2, including Remornia and the Cabalists then you focus your damage on pumping Sire. In P1 you FoK/CT the adds, sniping some with rupture if some survive the mega burst.

In p3 just maximize uptime on the boss.

Fight length and bl timers matter a lot.

[balmy crane]

Thanks all. I don’t think I was doing too much wrong then. I could be better about keeping dots on the adds in P2

[vital tapir]

if you're necro you'd want to tag sire and remornia with it too

[limber lion]

I wouldn't worry about minmaxing your dps if you're still rocking terrible gear honestly. It's good practice, but don't get too hung up about it

[vital tapir]

same for cabals

[balmy crane]

Yep

[balmy crane]

Yeah it’s definitely this, I’m getting hung up on it when I can’t actually do too much more.

[polar timber]

why do you open with mut over ambush?

the extra combo point?

[plain thistle]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[polar timber]

ah thanks

[hazy crater]

even further as necro you open with SBS

[gusty mirage]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[sonic schooner]

No defensives, use cloak as an offensive CD

[gusty mirage]

[sonic schooner]

Feint is a gcd and shitton of energy, evasion is ...well evasion kekw, and phial is gud but not dmg

[gusty mirage]

I'm sure your healers love you

[amber mountain]

I'll use Evasion in M+ currently to avoid spiteful if it's up on a Prideful and that's about it.
Cloak I'll use to handle mechanics or clear stuff that's going to kill me. Vial i'll pop when needed

I figure, sure, some cost a GCD, but I do a LOT more damage when I'm alive

Also, in my regular M+ group, the two healers I run with are my wife and my brother

[frail fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/btd6-bloons-monkey-buccaneer-who-tf-asked-tf-asked-gif-19748875

[spice spire]

Based

[rugged sandal]

is poisoned katar bis for m+

[limber lion]

Never.

[rugged sandal]

o

[limber lion]

What covenant are you playing?

[rugged sandal]

on theotar what should i use

venthyr

[limber lion]

Lashing Scars always as Venthyr.

[gusty mirage]

lashing

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

if you're necro or venthyr the covenant conduits are bis

[rugged sandal]

wait

i know lashing scars

[limber lion]

Waiting.

Okay?

[rugged sandal]

should i not be running double pot

on theo

[limber lion]

You should be running Wasteland

But you still have 1 potency slot

?

[rugged sandal]

yeah i have lashing in there ofc

[limber lion]

Yeah

[rugged sandal]

but ty i didnt know wasteland was better

[limber lion]

Just play Wasteland

[rugged sandal]

kk

[gusty mirage]

it has the benefit of giving your group vers

and our potency conduits kinda suck ass

so

[rugged sandal]

kk

tyvm

[limber lion]

Never play Token of Appreciation, just as a heads up.

It's bugged and it's just bad anyways :P

[gusty mirage]

you don't like being randomly kicked outta stealth? @limber lion

[limber lion]

I like some spice, but that's not the kind of spice that I enjoy.

[gusty mirage]

I just find it funny they fixed the theotar potion cheese but not the token bug

[rugged sandal]

wait

thats why thats been happening

[gusty mirage]

correct

[rugged sandal]

wtf

[limber lion]

Yeah

And that's not even the double potion thing that you were referring to

Oh nevermind, you were talking about double potency

Double pot is kinda misleading, sorry :p

[gusty mirage]

wtb poisoned katar where the crit chance scales with ilvl

and just throwing away maim, mangle

I don't want anything in return, just throw it away

[sonic schooner]

i was memeing crimson 😳

[limber lion]

Serious assassination talk only

No jokes

[spice spire]

No fun allowed in this gaming discord, only serious gamers allowed!!!!

[gusty mirage]

but what if you ARE a joke

[spice spire]

Too real

[amber mountain]

Yeah, re-reading it i see that. Sorry, bouncing between this and an incredibly boring work meeting

Plus... i have a guy in my guild who literally uses no defensives because they "lower his parse"

[gusty mirage]

have a "CE" hunter in my guild that never uses healthstones or health pots or turtle. He uses exhilarate 3 times in 3 hours of raiding too

so I feel that

[spice spire]

Huge gamer

[gusty mirage]

he got CE in 8.3

[spice spire]

We finally hit 6/10 M last night and called it a tier

[gusty mirage]

the tier that lasted 6 years

[spice spire]

Oh the joke tier

Holy

[gusty mirage]

he's actually a trashcan and every time we bench him one of our warlocks gets all butt hurt

[spice spire]

Why tho

[gusty mirage]

they're friends

"BUT HE'S GOOD. HE GOT CE"

Yeah well man idk what to tell you, but you're a warlock who struggles to stay in the top 10 of our meters so you might suck too

[limber lion]

I can tell you that getting CE does not mean that you're good.

[frail fossil]

u guys still raiding ?

[limber lion]

Even if you do it in a raily high world ranking.

[gusty mirage]

nah we called it, everyone's playing TBC

[limber lion]

All guilds have rotten tomatoes.

[spice spire]

That was my follow up as well haha

[keen cairn]

CE has nothing to do with being good. It only means u are not terrible

[gusty mirage]

yeah but he IS terrible

[spice spire]

Untrue

[gusty mirage]

he got CE as BM in 8.3 though

so

[spice spire]

CE means nothing on the terrible scale

[gusty mirage]

we all know how hard BM hunter is

[spice spire]

You could be hard carried or paid

[gusty mirage]

bruh he didn't use turtle once on his nzoth kills

like wut

[keen cairn]

Big true. We had 5-6 ppl that are very bad. Only thing is that they can listen to calls. They still got CE

[amber mountain]

Yeah, our guy has AotC and KSM for SL so he's gotta be good right? And he's always top DPS when he's alive!

If only the healers would pocket him we'd all win everything!

[spice spire]

HUGE ROTATION BIG DEEPS

[gusty mirage]

8.3 BM hunter was balanced and extremely difficult

huge skill cap

[limber lion]

See, being "good" also varies and people value different things. I don't consider anyone who has AocT or KSM "good" by default.

[keen cairn]

There were no fights in this tier that required everyone to perform excellent. Except for maaayve pre nerf SLG

[gusty mirage]

I feel personally attacked by this statement

[limber lion]

They're both piss easy achievements to get for me. But might not be for everyone.

So I value something being "good" differently than someone who's in a different situation than me.

[keen cairn]

I'd value good: You can do deepz while u do mechanics and can adapt things on the fly. + you do research BEFORE u go into bosses.

[amber mountain]

Yeah, I don't have AotC myself, because I only run with our guild runs (I'm the raid lead) and we have some... uh... duds

We're at 8/10 Heroic

[gusty mirage]

put me in coach

[keen cairn]

But u don't need that for most CE. It's enough if 15 ppl do it for you

[gusty mirage]

you need a tank? rogue? shitty hpal?

[limber lion]

Yeah, so your definition of good is a lot different than what it is for a mythic raider.

[gusty mirage]

I'm your guy

[amber mountain]

Yep, my definition is absolutely not Mythic raider good

I'd have to leave a lot of friends behind to go there

[limber lion]

Imagine playing with your friends.

[spice spire]

I’d also help if you needed, crimson. Shitty prot pal and shitty rogue

[limber lion]

Couldn't be me.

[spice spire]

Imagine having friends?! LMAO

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion soon

I'm waiting for the cross region announcement

play with the boys

[limber lion]

I used to play with some of my Finnish friends, but their giga-casual so it's just not fun for me.

[limber lion]

Same

[spice spire]

Unlucky

Hardcore gamer Cev

[amber mountain]

I just shifted myself to be more casual.

Which i'm ok with

[gusty mirage]

@amber mountain the most important thing is that you have fun

[amber mountain]

Already have 2 jobs, WoW is supposed to be my relaxation 🙂

exactly!

[gusty mirage]

if that's getting aotc with a buncha friends

[limber lion]

Exactly.

[gusty mirage]

that's worth more than anything else

[amber mountain]

Yep

[limber lion]

Having fun in a video game that you pay for should be priority.

[amber mountain]

I mean, i'm also the same guy who will spend hours just exploring places I shouldn't be able to get

[limber lion]

Why would you pay 70 dollars for a game and a subscription on top

only to be annoyed most of the time

[polar timber]

can anyone explain why ct isnt better than pb on st

[limber lion]

by your team

[amber mountain]

like flying off the edge of Maldraxxus, or going off into the zones that kill you if you touch the ground

[polar timber]

seems like pv does no dmg

[limber lion]

Because it sims worse.

[polar timber]

pb*

[limber lion]

PB is better

It's extra passive damage

Using CT means that you use Envenom less

Which means that you do less damage with poisons overall

And less damage with Envenom

[gusty mirage]

because on fights without a shit ton of movement you get full value from PB

[polar timber]

ah i forgot about the poison increase

[limber lion]

Every cast used on CT is a cast not used on Envenom.

[gusty mirage]

^

envenom uptime is yooge

[polar timber]

hmm dang

wish i could play ct st

[limber lion]

You can

It's not too far behind

[polar timber]

ah no im not gonna gimp myself for no reason

[limber lion]

Welp.

[gusty mirage]

it's close enough where it doesn't really matter

[soft shale]

sometimes it is even better if there is a lot of mov

[limber lion]

Sure, albeit rarely.

[soft shale]

sire always tps when it procs

[limber lion]

Eh

[soft shale]

and then you're like well it is only 2% of damage but man

does it suck

what im curious is the diff with dashing

[winter vapor]

does PB get counted for Zold leggo?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[winter vapor]

CT does to my knowledge

ah neat

[misty holly]

cross faction.

[winter vapor]

cev to the rescue, yet again 😛

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

nah fuck my alliance friends, I wanna play with @limber lion and @tulip nacelle and @frail fossil and @vital tapir

[tulip nacelle]

[gusty mirage]

[tulip nacelle]

[spice spire]

To play with flower he has to pass a trial first

[keen bison]

Hii! I'm a new assa rogue and I don't know if I should be Venthyr or Necrolord, I would like to raid and do m+, what should I choose? thank you

[gusty mirage]

Flower's a CE gamer while I'm a council shitter

[gusty mirage]

If you plan on doing a lot of m+ def go necro

[spice spire]

We here in assassination enjoy Necrolord a bit. Its flexible and it’s ST is only slightly behind venthyr while the cleave and aoe pull far ahead

[gusty mirage]

in ST they're close enough where you're not gimping yourself, and any raid fight w/ adds it catches up quick and overtakes venthyr*

[spice spire]

Same. Downed Xymox at least

[keen bison]

Thank you so much for the answers ^^

[spice spire]

Any time best of luck papi

[gusty mirage]

[vital tapir]

All my homies playin' horde

[willow eagle]

Missing on that shadowmeld action

[frigid kestrel]

I Wish i would have started the game on Horde 15 years ago

now i feel like im stuck

[warped temple]

join me on horde :>

[soft shale]

i started horde then went alliance then back to horde

[gusty mirage]

Horde has @warped temple and that automatically makes it the best faction

just sayin

[warped temple]

[limber lion]

Only Horde gamers here.

Jk, we don't discriminate.

Everyone makes bad choices sometimes.

[soft shale]

horde players also play more osu! so reaction times are super

[frigid kestrel]

Id have to find a new push team, a Mythic Guild, a entire new group of friends, and then fork over enough money to transfer 4 of my charaters

[soft shale]

just pay with gold

[warped temple]

ok fair... come when u can tho :>

[frigid kestrel]

Bet

[soft shale]

i actually miss being human

[frigid kestrel]

TBF if blizz had a Transfer Deal where i can do all my toons in one shot, id prolly Transfer

[limber lion]

[soft shale]

i think they've done 50% off sometimes

[little sigil]

what slot do I craft doomblade on and which stats?

[limber lion]

Hands, haste/crit

For now...

[little sigil]

ty

[limber lion]

It might change in 9.1

[soft shale]

pins but gloves crit/haste for pve haste vers for pvp

[supple panther]

Does anyone use Ipse's WA set?

I'm trying to downsize the icons but it doesn't function like other weak aura groups i'm used to

[limber lion]

What exactly is different?

What are you trying to do and what is happening?

[soft shale]

are you doing it to the whole group or the childs

if it even has child

[supple panther]

Whole group ideally

but it looks like its using a dynamic group so i cant just use the group scale slider

[limber lion]

Even a dynamic group should downscale normally by scaling the entire group down.

Just make sure you're on the right tab

Not on "Display"

But on "Group"

[supple panther]

Yea i was on group

am I just blind?

oh wait, I can't use these anyway

Doesn't have Vendetta tracked or Flagelattion

[limber lion]

Yeah you just move the "Group Scale" slider down

[supple panther]

OMG I'm dumb, it's literally 6 inches to the right

[limber lion]

Hah, happens to the best of us.

[soft shale]

dont worry i made doomblade on shoulders

and i had to trade 2 slg shoulders

[frail fossil]

[soft shale]

what i find funny is i have many good ones as sub but on assa im a blueboi and on outlaw i only have 1 purple

[spice spire]

97 sin parse on Sire. Has flower evolved into a sin main?!

[soft shale]

a cabalist focuser

[limber lion]

I only have pinks on Sin, only oranges on Outlaw and mainly purples on Sub.

Very cool.

[soft shale]

i have many rank 1 on sub but i got dethroned immediatly every time

push and many others are super blasters

[limber lion]

I only played Sub in 9.0

[soft shale]

same

i dont think i have played sub on sire or slg in a while

[limber lion]

I switched to Sin like a month before 9.0.5 was released.

[soft shale]

sub on p3 sire just feels

ughh

imagine 5.2 or 5.3k dps on that p being the best you can do

meanwhile as assa 6.4k or more

[frail fossil]

i'm just built diff

[whole bluff]

Flower cut off the part where it says heroic ;)

[frail fossil]

my hc logs look better than that

[soft shale]

nah flower just used uno reverse made his greys oranges