assassination

[oak sky]

Whoever was talking about garrote its just that you can get 3 empowered that dont consume cd then one garrote not empowered

Right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[strange python]

Yeah for sure we can. I just have a brand new baby so my time has been limited rn haha. Only have about 30 keys in in SL.

Just was wanting a better pvp class mainly so was seeing where assa is at

[balmy condor]

it's fine

[brisk drum]

i also dont like playing my ww alt with a fire mage

pulling bigger isnt always feasible cos of cc requirements

and holding cds as ww feels really bad

[vapid nimbus]

Why are we chosing gloves over shoulders for doomblade? Also, would it be worth building it from scratch at this point, or save for the new ST legendary for 9.1 assuming it won't be doomblade. I have doomblade shoulders with Haste/Versatility for PVP and I was looking into re-making doomblade since I'm mostly running M+ dungeons.

[stoic needle]

dont run doomblade in m+

[vapid nimbus]

My bad, I got it twisted, I'm building it for Raid 😄

I meant to say, I'm not doing PVP at all, So I wanted to re-build doomblade with Haste and Crit.

[balmy condor]

you can if you're swimming in ash

but not really necessary

[vapid nimbus]

Thank you, The less Torghast the better 😄

[pale fossil]

Don’t tell me how to live my life

[spice spire]

0/10 don’t recommend

[hollow river]

late night on a weekday=no sim line O:

[balmy condor]

what

[hollow river]

barely hitting a queue on raidbots atm

and every OH dagger from dungeons is the exact same, +30 dps for me >_>

[balmy condor]

secondaries on sin are pretty close

makes sense

[slow marsh]

Why do I do so much worse as outlaw than sin in keys. So dumb

[balmy condor]

because monke

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's it for sure

It just feels like it's not meant to be

[balmy condor]

outlaw is not meant to be

[slow marsh]

True

[spice spire]

[stoic needle]

[soft shale]

dont worry im also a blueboi on assa in raid

meanwhile sub purple orange pink

and i had 1 rank 1 but it got stolen quick by push

[clear shadow]

what is stat prio for asssass>?

[stoic needle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

also pins

[clear shadow]

ok ty

[hollow river]

I’m the same way.

[stoic needle]

utlaw

[hollow river]

Only thing it’s “decent” for is Torghast

[stoic needle]

Not even in Torghast

Celerity refund when?

[hollow river]

Stuff dies so fast as sin I can barely ramp

[stoic needle]

Deathly shadows refund when?

[hollow river]

I need this djdhevhwjahdhsh

[stoic needle]

Try NS MA MFD CT

It's bis torghast build

[hollow river]

Yeah I need to try that

[stoic needle]

It's actually disgusting

You just mfd ct

Pack's dead

[hollow river]

Lol

I only got 1 wing in this week

[stoic needle]

Oh fuck I forgot to do torghast

[hollow river]

Left it for the last possible hour and I pugged into some real brownies for cold heart

[stoic needle]

Fuck it I'm going to sleep

[hollow river]

Yeah same

[stoic needle]

IDC

I have enough ash for 2 lvl 4s

I can miss a week

[hollow river]

Faster ash in 9.1 anyway I almost have 10k

[stoic needle]

Yea

[hollow river]

But my doomblade and zoldy are 190

[stoic needle]

I have enough for deathspike + any sub legendary

[hollow river]

I kinda wanna craft 190 finality and get reacquainted with sub in m+

You think cov leggos will cost soul ash like the regular ones?

Yeah guess they would you just unlock the memory from quest line or something maybe

[slow marsh]

Yeah this is what I'm wanting to save for tbh

But it'll probs be sub or sin for me because they do the same thing unfortunately due to lack of Identity

But necro leggo + dashing / sub leggo seems like the goal imo

[hollow river]

Sub just needs like a conduit to buff rupture for cleave and it’d be the move next tier

[stoic needle]

They unlock from the new covenant campaign

And they do cost soul ash

[soft shale]

well what people are nervous are how they are going to unfuck domination sockets

because if they dont going dashing is around 100dps or so loss

[plush delta]

is someone able to explain how dashing scoundrel leggo works. When you envenom, poison crit chance is increaased and refunds energy, is that only on the target you envenomed? or all targets with poisons applied

and is the duration just the increased poison application buff time ?

[soft shale]

all targets with poison

and it has its own buff with a timer

[plush delta]

ok, what is that duration do you know?

[soft shale]

i think it says it on the tooltip

not inside the game rn

[balmy condor]

equal to envenom

[green harbor]

what haste% does a typical assassination gearset have? i know it doesn't matter, just curious

[balmy condor]

anywhere from 15-25

[stoic needle]

Yes it's just an effect added onto the normal envenom buff which is a self buff

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the energy regen on poison crits is always up outside of the buff tho

[soft shale]

yes

shame poison bomb is cuccky

[idle sinew]

does anyone know anything about the venthyr soulbind swap cheese?

[sacred isle]

You use potion with Theotar. Use tome and switch back to nadjia

[brave socket]

Fixed on ptr already??

[dense aspen]

Yeah its fixed

[fair blaze]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

Thank god

[left shard]

Hey team - Currently running DK, going to gear my rogue as it may be something I'll switch too if it turns out to be better in 9.1. I enjoy raiding and m+ - I've done some reading and necro and venth seem strong. Any recommendations?

[sacred isle]

Necro

So little behind in st so it barely matters and way ahead in multi target.

[left shard]

Ok great - I just watched a video, and maybe I missed it. Do you bother Crimson Tempest on ST?

[sacred isle]

If you have it specced yes. You don’t reapply it during shiv windows tho

But generally pb is better in st that doesn’t involve alot of boss movement

[left shard]

Cool - mainly seeing what I need to do on bosses in M+ at the moment 🙂

So I just switched Necro, Assume I multi dot with bone spike

[sacred isle]

Spread it like an std without overcapping

A lot of this is covered in pins

[left shard]

Cool cool - will re-read. Thanks a bunch for your times

[sacred isle]

Np

[left shard]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[slim jolt]

I used to be 40 renown necro but I switched to venth, if I switch back to necro will I insta go back to 40 renown

?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[keen cairn]

Stealthy big helpful guy

[limber lion]

[earnest remnant]

Hi nugget long time no see

[keen cairn]

Cuz I'm stealthed now.

[earnest remnant]

[onyx raptor]

anyone happen to know the difference between opening with bone spike instead of mutilate? except the duration of slice and dice?

[pliant dust]

Wait, really? I've been holding back on switching to Necro because it saddens me to "lose" work

[earnest remnant]

if your necro is already lvl'ed it stays when u swap back to it

[pliant dust]

I've been a diehard Venthyr since day one, but I want to try Necro

[earnest remnant]

then your venthyr stays max

[pliant dust]

It's just nice to know I can go back without having lost my work if I dislike it. Thanks 🙂

[earnest remnant]

np

[burnt star]

U dont lose your mog either. U will get it back if u swap back to venthyr

[alpine latch]

I think you lose your anima though, don't you?

[red pagoda]

You can keep it by buying stuff and refunding after switching

[limber lion]

Pretty sure everything stays behind. You will not carry your anima with you, but it will be there if you swap back

[limber swallow]

you can extract your anima when you want to switch

[limber lion]

But yeah, you can just buy stuff and sell it after swapping

[limber swallow]

buy a bunch of the 750 anima toys and sell them

you just need to complete the very first covenant quest in the new cov to do so

[alpine latch]

I'm just locked on souls now. I have everything to rank 2, table missions to rank 3, and 50k anima stocked up

[limber swallow]

there are several bugs when swapping covenants. For example your mission table followers will all be level 1 (except meatball and croman) but your troops will still be the median level from your old covenant (when I switched, my troops were level 51, my followers were level 1)

[alpine latch]

I'm sitting on about 30k anima in my bags

[limber swallow]

souls you can't swap.. that's the time gate, unfortunately

[alpine latch]

yeah

My rogue is ~5 weeks old, so souls are my big handicap right now

I'm stocking up in case Necro isn't the best though

So I'm just sitting on a bag/bank full of anima

[tulip nacelle]

how tf do you have 50k anima

[limber swallow]

yea, I transferred 15k when I moved..

[limber lion]

Well the anima isn't really used for anything useful except for some cosmetic stuff

If you like the cosmetic things then all the power to ya

[alpine latch]

I make about 25k a week on my mission table

Not a lot, but across multiple characters it's more than my sub

[limber swallow]

the other thing you keep is the extra anima from world quests as it's based off of having the achievements for level 2/3 of your covenant.

[alpine latch]

Oh shit, really?

[tulip nacelle]

yeah I just got all to lvl 3

[alpine latch]

nice...

[tulip nacelle]

I don't understand this

do you mean gold or anima?

[alpine latch]

Gold

I am stockpiling anima in case Necro isn't the best, then I can just dump it into whatever covenant I go to

[tulip nacelle]

yea it makes sence then

sure

[alpine latch]

No matter what, I want all covenant mounts/xmogs unlocked

I have 2 goals for SL - Get CE at least once, and unlock every single mount in SL

[limber lion]

Ambitious

I like it.

[dawn ivy]

buy gold and buy CE

[limber lion]

I thought the mount thingy was the ambitious part

[slow marsh]

I wish I had gotten the protodrakes during wrath when I was playing before. Other than that the mount thing is meh. It's nice but I'm at peace with my 7% collection

[limber lion]

I'm at peace with my Invincible.

That's all I wanted, so I'm happy.

[gusty mirage]

Thank you for reigniting my grind for that damn horse

[limber lion]

I mean, if I got it then you can too!

I was well over the drop rate, surely it won't be as bad for you

[gusty mirage]

It’s tyrannical week so I’ll be grinding away on all my alts, including my 2 alliance rogues

[limber lion]

Oh right it's reset day for you already

Sick, good luck

[alpine latch]

Do you guys do anything different on Tyranical week? Or is it the same talents/Zoldycks?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I do like a 17 and call it a week

[rotund arch]

folks, I'm thinking of off-speccing some Sin in M+ while we wait for 9.1. What leggo should I make first?

[gusty mirage]

Zoldyk

[rotund arch]

I already have MA at 235. Is Zoldyk much better?

[gusty mirage]

Nothing changes. Trash is still a big part of the dungeon

[limber lion]

I still haven't done a weekly on my rogue. Might have to do one ugh

[gusty mirage]

MA kinda dookie for assa

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is better for higher keys, but for stuff like 15-18 it's fine

The damage is very similar overall, but MA is just way more burst.

[gusty mirage]

Do I just full send an EU account and make a tank so I can be available for your one key?

[rotund arch]

and doomblade is the go to single target?

[gusty mirage]

Correct

You also play doom in top/plaguefall

[limber lion]

[rotund arch]

brill. Thanks chaps.

[limber lion]

It's okay, surely I can find a pug to do a 15 or something with

Actually tried to do a +14 yesterday but our tank pulled everything in Mists, died, then just left the key.

[gusty mirage]

Lmfao

[spice spire]

Tanking 14s as a 208 is not fun

But we timed it

[drowsy coral]

I've seen worst this week honestly

[limber lion]

Our group was full of 2k+ CE players, except for the tank

[gusty mirage]

Tanking 14s at 218 isn’t much better

[limber lion]

And the tank dibbed

Like we would have probably +3'd it

But the tank just decided nah, i'm good

[gusty mirage]

Yikes

Probably embarrassed tbh

[drowsy coral]

I depleted a 23 DoS because our Vulperin DK tank got caught swimming in the nightfae part, and couldn't kite

[spice spire]

I don’t see how it couldn’t be. Xav hit me with a combo and domed me for 75% of my health

On fortified

[alpine latch]

@limber lion Everything for m+ is still standard this week (except maybe ToP), right?

[gusty mirage]

Lmao bro I got bullied into tanking a 15 dos on fortified week and got absolutely demolished and when we timed it my healer goes “see that’s not that bad” EXCUSE ME SIR?

I think I was 209 ilvl on the DH and the last boss absolutely molested me

[spice spire]

Yeah I was fighting for my life the entire time lmao

I did like 1.5k healing or some nonsense. 95% was to myself

[limber lion]

Yep. Everything stays the same, regardless of week. Doomblade is fine in ToP and PF.

[gusty mirage]

Every soul crush was 60% of my health

[drowsy coral]

Pushing ToP keys in tyrannical weeks

[spice spire]

It definitely crushed your soul

[rotund arch]

@gusty mirage so just to sense check, I'm thinking I'll use MA to begin with for M+. Make Doomblade for fun in raids + boss-heavy dungeons. Then make Zoldyk for an alternative to MA. Seem sensible?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah if you’re doing 15s MA will be fine

[rotund arch]

I'm doing 19s on Outlaw at the mo

so will start doing lower but will want to go higher quite quickly

[gusty mirage]

Yeah then I’d make zold first if you plan on going to your usual key levels

[drowsy coral]

If I were you I'd do Zoldryck if you want to focus on m+ and not progressing on raid anymore

Also Zold is fine on several nathria bosses

[gusty mirage]

Because zold’s still pretty good for raid, just not as good as doom

[rotund arch]

yeah fair. Maybe Zold first and Doom second then.

got it. Thx thx.

[drowsy coral]

You can cheese parses with Zold on inerva, SLG, Denath

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I'm listening

[gusty mirage]

All the cheese you need is theotar

[limber lion]

Feel free to elaborate

[drowsy coral]

Well if your guild let's you do some padding

that is

[rotund arch]

I'm cheesing parses as hard as poss to convince RL that Rogue is the bomb dot com

[spice spire]

Unethical gameplay

[gusty mirage]

Rogue is the bomb dot com

[limber lion]

But how does Zoldyck allow for cheesing

[gusty mirage]

We’re just cooler than everyone else

[gusty mirage]

Bad add dps probably or they intentionally leave adds alive longer so more zold damooj I’d guess

[limber lion]

And specifically for those 3 bosses

[drowsy coral]

Pump damage on adds ?

Actually probably not for inerva, but for council yeah

[limber lion]

Doomblade is more damage on 2T

And 1T

And the adds on Inerva don't live very long

[limber lion]

Yeah there we go

[drowsy coral]

Yeah scratch inerva out of my list

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is perfect for those 3 fights.

The Inerva was the one that was a bit random

[alpine latch]

Wait, should we be using Doomblade on Huntsman?

[limber lion]

Yes

[alpine latch]

The IV guide says Zoldyck

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it says Zoldyck

[limber lion]

I mean, it's saying Zoldyck for every single boss

[alpine latch]

I didn't know it was best for 2t. That changes things so much!

[plain thistle]

no no no get a pitchfork and @ Seliathan

[vale marten]

the doomblade dot isnt like hunter serpentstalker, you can have it on ore targets at the same time

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is a good overall choice, but I think the guide was mainly written with mythic progression in mind

And for progression people tend to lean towards Zoldyck

[limber lion]

No, you do NOT want to have it on multiple targets.

It works like Fire Mage's mastery, Ignite.

Where the damage compounds from multiple applications.

[vale marten]

i dont know what that means tbh but i did pretty well with target swapping on huntsman for example

[limber lion]

Good for you

But it doesn't work like that lol

[drowsy coral]

You're actually loosing damage from doing it

I learned that the hard way on inerva too

[limber lion]

Let's say your Doomblade does 20 damage for 10s per application

You hit your main target once, it starts dealing the 20 damage

You hit your main target again, it adds another stack of 20 damage on top of the existing 20 damage

So now there's 2 stacks of the buff that both tick down at their normal rates

You don't lose damage from swapping, but you don't gain anything either.

[drifting cloud]

doesnt it double dip on shades

[limber lion]

You will always do the same amount of damage with Doomblade, regardless of whether or not you hit the same target 10000 times or switch it up

Yes, it does.

[alpine latch]

So, keep up dots on the add as much as possible but focus Huntsman, not the doggo

[dawn ivy]

but you will end up eventually losing damage by trying to maintain the dot on multiple targets

no need to mess with it

[vale marten]

i see

[limber lion]

Yes.

It's much easier to just slam the bleeds/poisons on the secondary target but keep pumping your main target.

[dawn ivy]

if youre running blindside, you cna focus dog during execute windows

[limber lion]

There is no reason to run to the second add to Mutilate it a few times just add the Doomblade bleed to it.

[limber lion]

Yep, but you shouldn't run Blindside on 2T.

[dawn ivy]

keep seeing people run it regardless

[drowsy coral]

If you're running Zold it's worth though, right ?

[limber lion]

What is worth?

[drowsy coral]

Focusing dogs

[limber lion]

A lot of people run random stuff and quite a few people just stick to one build that they play for every single boss because they're lazy and don't want to change around.

[limber lion]

Yes, if you use Zoldyck (which you shouldn't on Huntsman), then you should focus the dog when it gets to execute range

[amber mountain]

I'm in this comment

[drifting cloud]

I mean if youre necro you can just play ep/vigor everywhere with no second thought

[limber lion]

Not only is Doomblade better in 2T by default, it benefits from the Shade-bug as well.

[drifting cloud]

isnt gonna make any noticable difference on any boss

[limber lion]

Yeh definitely. That's what I do.

EP/Vig for everything. It's simple and effective.

[drowsy coral]

Are you not loosing damage on pure ST ?

[drifting cloud]

not as necro, and its a difference of a socket at best

[limber lion]

For Necrolords the difference between BS/DS and EP/Vig is like 5 dps.

[drowsy coral]

Interesting ! I'm necro and was switching back and forth depending on bosses

might not bother then

[limber lion]

Might even pull ahead on shorter fights and will pull ahead when you add any number of adds.

[drowsy coral]

The reasoning behind EP/Vig is that you can generate cheap CP to keep EP up then ?

[limber lion]

Yes, you have higher EP uptime playing Vigor.

More energy and more finishers overall.

[drowsy coral]

I meant, genering cheap CP through SBS which justify the choice of EP

[drowsy coral]

But yeah, I overlooked that fact

[limber lion]

They pretty much always go hand-in-hand

EP/Vig and BS/DS

[limber swallow]

oh god... I finally got a dagger

[drowsy coral]

Yeah this I knew, but I thought the main reason was SBS

[limber lion]

It's the same for Venthyr as well

But yeah.

[drowsy coral]

That's good to know, won't bother ever again then

[limber lion]

SBS also helps, that's why the difference is so small for Necro

And Flag gains a lot of value from DS

[limber lion]

Grats

[drowsy coral]

Everytime I saw EP/Vig on pure ST in logs, it was rogues getting 35 PI, I wrongly assumed that they were playing it just because of the PI's

The more you learn

[dawn ivy]

oh no i got the SLG shoulders

dont tell me i gotta drop the 226 gloves

[limber lion]

That is usually the case, because EP/Vig is much better when you're getting PI's.

But yeah, as Necro just stick to EP/Vig and you're gucci

[limber lion]

Oh boy

[dawn ivy]

i was so confident i wouldnt get the shoulders i crafted gloves with reckless abandon

just wanted that sweet ilvl bump on 200 ilvl shoulders at the time

[gusty mirage]

226 ilvl glove check?

[limber lion]

I did that as well. Crafted 235 Zoldyck boots.

[gusty mirage]

You can sit this one out @stoic needle

@limber lion do I check my vault before I go to work?

[limber lion]

Yes

[spice spire]

100%

Dagger one time

[dawn ivy]

30 dps increase to swap leggo onto gloves guess i take the dive and make the gloves

[drowsy coral]

While I'm at it, I see people running the SBS conduit instead of the Shiv one even on ST. Beside lazyness, is there any reasoning behind that ?

[dawn ivy]

its good

lol

[limber lion]

There's several reasons why you would want to open your vault:

1. If you didn't, you'd think about it several times during the day. This causes you to hype yourself up for the vault, which will inevitably lead to massive annoyance when it doesn't actually give anything good;
2. You get happy for getting a great item and you'll feel great, or you'll get nothing and get it over with, so you don't have to think about it during the day at all, not leading to any unnecessary hype. @gusty mirage

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

well we run into the same issue in 9.1, higher ilvl shoulders

so might as well

[limber lion]

It sims better for most.

[stoic needle]

I'd wait a bit until we know more about the domination sockets because you may not craft doomblade at all

[limber lion]

WPS is not that great of a potency conduit - and neither are anything else. Our potencies suck

[odd hazel]

well, got a decent crit vers ring for sub i guess

226 Gorger Tendril

[dawn ivy]

yeah im still holding out hope we run dashing next tier

but ash is infinite next tier anyways

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Bis ring for sub

[stoic needle]

Bis sub ring

[limber lion]

I got one of those as well in my bag

[gusty mirage]

a spec I haven't played since december

[limber lion]

You say that now.

[odd hazel]

tbh im just getting a set for it just incase

might as well

[stoic needle]

I will be playing some sub in 9.1 for sure

[odd hazel]

i'll deff be playing it on the fights its good for once we are finished prog

unless it just ends up being better by a decent margin

[gusty mirage]

guys I already have 8 rings in my bags though

[stoic needle]

There seems to be some real funnel potential on some of the fights

Only 2 more and you'll have one for each finger

[gusty mirage]

true

gotta look drippy

[odd hazel]

Atleast we'll have 226 gloves by 9.1

so we already look drippy

[stoic needle]

But you'll still be a scrub

Antidrip

[odd hazel]

Arent you a mastery lover?

[stoic needle]

Yeah but I'll be a mastery lover with CE

[gusty mirage]

I kinda want to go with the crit/haste chest if I ever get a iqd

[odd hazel]

Must be nice being carried then.

[stoic needle]

*doing the carrying

[odd hazel]

dont make me come at you osh. I"LL DOOO IT

[gusty mirage]

but the ring is probably the better play shrug

[stoic needle]

I'm top boss dmg on denath every pull

[limber lion]

Yeh do that

Fuck the ring

[odd hazel]

About time you're on top for something.

[stoic needle]

I don't need to come for you, you're a Mechagnome

[limber lion]

Crit/haste chest is giga as well

[limber lion]

Hopefully that stays true in P3 as well

[odd hazel]

hey cev.

[limber lion]

Sup

[odd hazel]

[limber lion]

[manic pebble]

I got crap weekly gear again

no upgrade

[odd hazel]

i got a 226 crit/vers ring. a hateful chain, and a ooze trink. FeelsBadMan But the ring is good

[gusty mirage]

chest is a 108 dps increase in patchwerk

[odd hazel]

didnt you need a better chest oxi?

[gusty mirage]

but I'm not raiding until 9.1

I have the 226 off hungering

so it's just a secondary stat thing at this point

[stoic needle]

we have a spriest so i dunno...

[gusty mirage]

I have 226s in all 3 slots I got from the vault

[odd hazel]

isnt the inerva one the BiS peice?

ayyy, the ring is a upgrade with IQD

[limber lion]

Same

[odd hazel]

nice

[odd hazel]

OOOOOF @stoic needle

[gusty mirage]

I'll just go with ring

[manic pebble]

should I get the dagger or helm? even tho dagger gives me much more dps but the helm has socket..

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5JbeJipRuq1J9MuNLvpbBT

[gusty mirage]

patchwerk dps increase would matter more if I was still raiding

always go weapons first

[limber lion]

You can always get Ven'ari sockets.

[odd hazel]

@limber lion i can finally use my IQD with that Crit/vers ring i got.

[limber lion]

Definitely, definitely get the weapon

No doubt about it.

[stoic needle]

jesus christmas

[manic pebble]

aight

[limber lion]

Eyy nice

[stoic needle]

I'm an unethical ep/vigor doomblade sire gamer now tbh

[gusty mirage]

20 plaguefall from the vault

[drowsy coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q3DLWck9Z5fJCakShxM74n isn't 36 significant ?

[limber lion]

Tell me about it.

[stoic needle]

every time i switch back to zold we sometimes dont meet dps checks

[limber lion]

Wtf, there's talent compare in Raidbots as well?

[gusty mirage]

yeah topgear does it

[limber lion]

I've never ever used it or seen anyone use it ever

That's not top gear

That's talent compare

[gusty mirage]

oh

yeah I've used it a few times

[limber lion]

But

why

[gusty mirage]

just to check it out

lmao

[limber lion]

Top gear already has it and much more

and is much better

And does every combination

[drowsy coral]

I'm confused

[gusty mirage]

top gear does talents too

and will give you the absolute best set up

rather than best talents based on current equipped

[stoic needle]

it's about 15 dps for me between ep and vigor, it really depends on your gear

[drowsy coral]

I'll try again with top gear, I never sim everything at once

[dawn ivy]

yeah a couple of the options in raidbots are obsolete compared to top gear

[stoic needle]

ah yes, my 3rd 226 weapon

[odd hazel]

oof still no gloves

[limber lion]

:(

[iron orchid]

i hate you

[odd hazel]

honestly like

[stoic needle]

[odd hazel]

i'd give you my 226 gloves for a 226 weap

[limber lion]

I'm still rocking a 220 weapon myself.

Got CE 5 weeks ago

[dawn ivy]

i got both my sire 233s back to back weeks

[stoic needle]

well i guess i have a 226 to put lightless force on now?

[gusty mirage]

you want my 2nd gorger spine?

[odd hazel]

ban him

[stoic needle]

or do i just take stygia?

[gusty mirage]

thats what I did

run celest/lightless in m+ sometimes

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e4UmJVDSe9ZHW8kATdnGVR

I simmed it for you

The difference between DS/BS and EP/Vig is 27 dps

[odd hazel]

at that point i'd just run Ep/Vig

[limber lion]

In 5 min patchwork that is.

One add and EP/Vig pulls ahead

Different fight length and it changes again

[stoic needle]

on fights with forced downtime ep is better as well

like sire during bloodprice and the knockback

[limber lion]

I'm guessing you play different specs because of your gems? @drowsy coral

I would highly recommend just gemming haste on everything, it doesn't cost much

[drowsy coral]

Oh thank you, I was in queue for 3 years

Yeah I didn't switch my gems because I was pushing keys on outlaw this week, usually I put haste back

[gusty mirage]

dif for me for 5min patchwerk between BS/DS and EP/Vigor

it's like 50 dps

[stoic needle]

wait how is this wep a 23 dps upgrade

[gusty mirage]

stats probably

[stoic needle]

both of my weps are haste/vers, but this gorger spine is vers/haste

and apparently swapping those two substats around and some gems is 28 dps

[drowsy coral]

I guess I'll run EP/Vig on ST anyway, I'm virtually not loosing much, and it feels better playing those, thanks !

[stoic needle]

stats are weird man

[dawn ivy]

raidbots still told me to put haste on my leggo despite hitting the haste DR 😕

hate this game

[stoic needle]

dr doesn't really mean anything

and i doubt you are hitting haste dr

[gusty mirage]

wait you're at 30% haste already?

tf

[dawn ivy]

ALL MY GEAR HAS HASTE

[odd hazel]

so does mine basically

except lik e2

and im only at 23%

[gusty mirage]

minus like 3 pieces same

[odd hazel]

concerned how you have 30% haste

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

[steel geyser]

[odd hazel]

is that outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

lmao how the actual fuck

[dawn ivy]

STOP STARING AT ME

[gusty mirage]

did you just happen to find every high haste piece in the game?

[dawn ivy]

basically every box had a high haste item that raidbots told me to take

[gusty mirage]

every piece has haste for me minus shoulders, belt, and boots and I'm at 18%

[dawn ivy]

and its never told me to stop

[steel geyser]

And I though I was lacking crit with my 520crit/837haste

[gusty mirage]

damn you're addicted to the haste heroin now

you'll never be able to get enough

[odd hazel]

i have every peice with haste except neck

so im concerned

[gusty mirage]

granted minus the inerva ring, everything else has haste as the lower stat

[stoic needle]

anyone need a dagger?

[dawn ivy]

mythic inerva/sire ring and hoa neck really stack my haste T.T

[gusty mirage]

no I'm okay @stoic needle I got 2 gorger spines and 1 stitchflesh scalpel

ty though

[steel geyser]

I still have a pvp neck 220ilvl simming better than all the neck I got :<<

[stoic needle]

yo i'll trade you a thorn for a scalpel

[steel geyser]

vers crit

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

it's only fitting I have the mastery dagger and you don't

still a 220 phial and 220 helm

I think I should just suck it up and grind out 2100 for the 226 helm

[plain thistle]

I do not, but thx for the offer tho

[stoic needle]

[steel geyser]

imagine not having 226 daggers and 226 phial first 5 weeks of SL

[gusty mirage]

someone switched covenants in between getting both of those

[stoic needle]

perish

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

No worries!

[gusty mirage]

imagine playing something that required a dagger the first 5 weeks of SL

[plain thistle]

yeah, first dagger was venthyr and 1 week ago got the necro one

[stoic needle]

233 weap on kill

i know it

[limber lion]

I'm getting a dagger tomorrow, so that's pretty sick!

[steel geyser]

[odd hazel]

only thing ive ever gotten from sire is the lashing conduit

[gusty mirage]

I actually called Ion and he's giving you 2 of them

[plain thistle]

good luck, my first 233 dagger was after 9-10 kills

[gusty mirage]

I told him if he doesn't, I'm suing

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

i actually gave up on getting the 213 SF

i cba to kill h sire anymore

[limber lion]

Bruh

[gusty mirage]

for a 233 for my boy

[plain thistle]

and it was on the weekly chest, because the boss doesnt drop it

[steel geyser]

got full 233 gear on my dk alt before first 233dagger on rogue

[plain thistle]

second one was on weekly chest as well

[gusty mirage]

I still haven't seen a weapon token for rogues drop in nathria

on any of my toons

[dark crag]

All i need is the dagger. I got everything else, after 4 kills

[gusty mirage]

in any difficulty

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hH7VAv9sReHuxcGGX9XS7U
only 86 dps increase from a weapon

[steel geyser]

To be fair, there's prolly only 1 monk and 1 war in ur raid that could drop it for u

[limber lion]

[plain thistle]

we have 12 denath kills now, It only dropped 1 token for our weapon, went to our warrior since I already had a MH

[odd hazel]

imagine giving a warrior somethign over a rogue

[plain thistle]

well , we need a warrior for buff

[gusty mirage]

he needs a weapon to push battle shout?

[plain thistle]

and MH > OH doesn't matter if its a warrior

[steel geyser]

don't bully warriors comon guys

[odd hazel]

[limber lion]

Oh shit a 226 SF is 20 dps upgrade

Why was I Venthyr last week

[gusty mirage]

because you were weak

[limber lion]

Lashing Scars is like +7

[gusty mirage]

[tulip nacelle]

go do your maw

[limber lion]

Hell no

[gusty mirage]

bruh that's a lot of stygia

[spice spire]

[tulip nacelle]

I have all 226 conduits and a socket in my bag

[gusty mirage]

he'll probably roll a 226 triple threat, a 226 perforated veins, and a 226 poisoned katar first

and then he'll just be sad

[tulip nacelle]

I just lost a bit of my soul

[gusty mirage]

[cerulean nest]

ugh taking 226 Ritualist's instead of this 226 mastery ring sims highest, but taking this 226 wrist replaces my last 220. ring sims 20dps higher.....priorities

[steel geyser]

i got lucky and got all 226 conduits bis from 3 specs except the covenants ones im not pushing my luck and i'm in daddy dena waiting room

[limber lion]

226 Ritualist ring is bis.

Surely you can get different wrists soon.

[gusty mirage]

well I hate to be the bearer of bad news

[cerulean nest]

alright fine

[gusty mirage]

but the covenant conduit is bis for assa

[steel geyser]

[gusty mirage]

unless you're kyrian

then I'm sorry in advance

[steel geyser]

but i'm a multispec player you know..

[tulip nacelle]

stygia bis?

[gusty mirage]

tbh stygia has been bis for me for like

3 months now

[odd hazel]

its sad when you start taking stygia tbh

never feels good

[gusty mirage]

sidegrade or stygia? Guess I'll take the stygia

[odd hazel]

stygia

[steel geyser]

killed sire 7 times on rogue now, no conduit drop yet, killed it 1 time on mage and twice on Dk got all the conduits I needed

[gusty mirage]

lmao that's how it goes

I killed inerva 7 times for a 226 CtO

[odd hazel]

my warlock is only 206 and hes gotten 100x more luck then my rogue

[gusty mirage]

DH goes through on a heroic clear and gets every conduit

AND the sun king trinket

[steel geyser]

pog

[gusty mirage]

its like blizzard wants me to tank

[odd hazel]

come tank for me oxi'

you'll enjoy my raid team

:^)

[gusty mirage]

yeah the dh buff would help your boomie and affi lock

[odd hazel]

LOLOLOL

we have a DH

which is the thing

[gusty mirage]

oh

yikes

any 3.1k overall convokers in chat?

[odd hazel]

they are really good burst but

then do 3k dps

:^)

but all of the raid team pulls "really good damage"

[gusty mirage]

so they afk after CA convoke

got it

[odd hazel]

their words too

[gusty mirage]

I mean I'll come raid with yall on my dh

but I'm high key super toxic to under performers

lmao

[odd hazel]

i mean

please at this point

i want to be toxic but i like the people

[gusty mirage]

I'll even come on my rogue

its heroic right?

pls dont say mythic

[odd hazel]

yeah, but they want to try mythic. which will never happen tbh. we have only downed heroic sire once ( compared to my like 7 pugging )

[spice spire]

Isn’t krey alliance

[gusty mirage]

I have a level 50 void elf rogue

don't worry about it

I'll make it happen

I also have a level 48 night elf rogue

[odd hazel]

Who are you again

[gusty mirage]

end of bfa was a confusing time for me

[spice spire]

Mythic Xymox inc

[spice spire]

5/10 M btw

[odd hazel]

man i fucking wish

[spice spire]

But a shitter all the same

[gusty mirage]

you really don't

[odd hazel]

i'll be like 222 with out a mythic kill. im pugging some kills this week

[gusty mirage]

you think you do, I thought I did

[odd hazel]

i hope atleast

[gusty mirage]

now I'm a broken man

[spice spire]

Mythic this tier was fun. Only boss that was legit unfun was sun king

And that’s because it’s a cheese fight

[gusty mirage]

idk mythic council is literal hell

it might be because our shadow priests don't know how to not die during recital though

[odd hazel]

tbh, its just sad always performing like the way i have been and just stuck in heroic. maybe its time for me to just bite the bullet and find a mythic team.

[gusty mirage]

you should

[spice spire]

I don’t think the group I’m running with is doing council, which I’m kinda thankful for. Currently on Xymox

[gusty mirage]

if you want to push content, its worth it

[limber lion]

I'm guessing you never killed SLG?

[gusty mirage]

xymox is like always a shit show

[spice spire]

Also you learn quick that heroic performance doesn’t mean a lot in mythic

[odd hazel]

hows it feel having like 300+ wipes on a mythic SLG?

[spice spire]

only 5/10, BM

[gusty mirage]

better than having 100 wipes on council

[limber lion]

Yeah the first few bosses are decent fun

It gets worse and worse the further you go

And then the last boss is fun again

[gusty mirage]

mythic denny looks awful

I was watching Shien suffer

and it looks fucking miserable

[spice spire]

Yeah I can imagine - anything past Xymox looks like hell on earth

[limber lion]

It is the best fight in the entire instance.

[spice spire]

I’m a very casual mythic player

[gusty mirage]

sludge is easy

well

easier than council

[cerulean nest]

we're getting council down this week

betting my kidney on it

[gusty mirage]

bring me along (:

I'll trade you all loot I get

[cerulean nest]

we're constantly short so I literally might lol

[gusty mirage]

I legit don't need anything off council

I just want the kill

lmao

[cerulean nest]

lmao i'll keep your name in mind

[gusty mirage]

comes with the perks that I'm not complete dogshit

I'm just kinda trash

like my ally guild < Is Kinda Trash >

[limber lion]

One of us

[gusty mirage]

I just want to progress further than my guild (:

[plain thistle]

denath is the only fun boss

[spice spire]

Now that’s toxic

[plain thistle]

in this tier

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage not you, Jhon lol

[gusty mirage]

I mean he's not wrong

[odd hazel]

my zold and doom are at 235 now, should i bother making dashing?

[spice spire]

I think Xymox is very fun actually. Thought I’d hate it, but the prog is nice

[gusty mirage]

your guild doesn't have a DK that sits in traps with IBF off cd?

because that's not very fun

[spice spire]

Nah

[cerulean nest]

someone bring me to denath for the love of god. my guild isnt getting there

i pump

[spice spire]

Uh wait I do have the boomy getting mind controlled and team killing us with a typhoon thoigh

[gusty mirage]

my mans tryin to get to denny

and I'm here just tryin to get 7/10M

LOL

[spice spire]

Is that poggers as the kids say?

[limber lion]

Pump harder.

[cerulean nest]

ok

[gusty mirage]

lmao

bro we had a priest get MC'd

and fear everyone

[plain thistle]

I am joking, there are other fun bosses, but most are too easy. denath is hard and that the same time fun

[gusty mirage]

it was fucking hilarious

[plain thistle]

slg is hard but jesus....

[cerulean nest]

you saw my inerva log @limber lion how much more can I do??

[gusty mirage]

more

@cerulean nest are you the same animal, and a different beast?

I think I got that backwards

[raven crest]

Any professional rogues that have killed sire able to help me out with a fellow raid members performance? Would be very grateful!

[slow marsh]

That's a slippery slope imo

[odd hazel]

a few of us would love to help

[gusty mirage]

on heroic? mythic?

[raven crest]

Ya mythic

[slow marsh]

Are they dying to massacre

[raven crest]

I can post the log here, but I don't want to spam or anything D:

[odd hazel]

you can post logs here

[spice spire]

It’s recommended even

[raven crest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hLTyRVCwMJkAWQ73#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1&type=damage-done&source=3 I have no clue about the rogue class, so any tips I can pass along would be great - they said they're having a hard time but I've no clue what to even look for

[slow marsh]

Not enough people post logs tbh

[odd hazel]

he

wastes a lot of CP

32 wasted on Mut

9 on ambush

poisoned Knife?

35 wasted on that

2 on fan of knives

27 on garrote

[amber mountain]

Hrm. Sounds like input spamming

[steel geyser]

its over 22 pulls tho

[odd hazel]

67 on shiv

oh, didnt even realize that

[raven crest]

Oh sorry I just posted for the whole evening

[spice spire]

How much CP you think this man using? Lmao

[odd hazel]

wipes are weird to read but im sure we can find something

[limber lion]

Why are they weird to read

[odd hazel]

just feel weird to me for some reason. /shrug

i know they arent really but meh

[limber lion]

It's the same pull

[slow marsh]

looks like 5 and 14 are the "best" pulls

[stoic needle]

just keep waiting, hopefully we find out more about the gems with this week's build

[limber lion]

Except that the fight ends prematurely

[slow marsh]

just look at those

[limber lion]

I prefer 10

[spice spire]

14 he overcapped a shit ton of energy

Like 1/5th of it. I know for the fight it’s expected to cap some, but that seems heavy - I also checked phase that he overlapped in. Primarily in 02

[cerulean nest]

I have more than 800 haste now 😳

[gloomy fern]

why

[raven crest]

Ok wasting combo points, overcapping energy (don't all the abilities cost energy? That mean he's just afk auto attacking the boss?....)

[amber mountain]

Are you guys grinding Sire for 3+ hours straight?

[spice spire]

Not necessarily, it could mean he’s not reaching a target to hit, or he had so much haste spreading bleeds that he can’t keep up. Travel time is a huge DPS loss in many fights

[raven crest]

Uhh just under 3 hours I think - is that odd for a raid night? O.o

[amber mountain]

With that duration and without having good breaks, high movement fights can be exhausing for rogues

[slow marsh]

He also has a pretty low uptime with dots on remornia

[gloomy fern]

[amber mountain]

The constant movement and mechanics

[limber lion]

1. Do not use Mutilate at max-1 or max combo points. Always uses finishers at max-1 combo points, you don't need to finish at max combo points, it's a waste.

2. Wasting A LOT of energy in p2 and P3. The man should just spend more time glued to the boss hitting buttons. Doing mechanics is good, but don't just go afk because you're scared of mechanics. You still need to pump dps or you'll never meet the dps checks.

3. He should save 3rd Vendetta for P3, or are you struggling with p2 dps?

4. He should put bleeds up on all targets in P2. Meaning Sire, Remornia, the named adds and the cabalists, making sure to keep all dots up on Sire and Remornia AT ALL TIMES (whenever possible)

[tulip nacelle]

maybe for boomers

[slow marsh]

which it's not necessarily easy to keep really high uptime but it should probs be higher than 30% in p2

[amber mountain]

Yeah, that's necessary

[raven crest]

I mean we have breaks... I don't think they're particularly out of breath by the end of it?

[amber mountain]

heh

I didn't mean that, I just meant that it can be mentally exhausting and tough to keep focus.

If you have anyone out of breath by the end of a fight, that's a diffreent problem altogethre

[tulip nacelle]

what does that have to do with rogues tho?

[amber mountain]

It's true for any melee class

[tulip nacelle]

everyone would be struggling with focus after 3 hours nonstop

[gloomy fern]

you are contributing 0

[drowsy coral]

You haven't play SP I see

[tulip nacelle]

well almost everyone

[limber lion]

Ya'll are funny

[raven crest]

This is awesome thank you! Bleeds means garrote and stuff ye?

[drowsy coral]

Did the rogue had a good dinner ? Is he lacking calories ? That must be it

[raven crest]

Is that difficult to keep it rolling on everything?

[limber lion]

Both Garrote and Rupture.

[limber lion]

It is not.

[raven crest]

Oh ok only two

[limber lion]

If he played CT or was Necrolord, then he'd want to keep CT and SBS up as well

[gloomy fern]

i mean u wont be able to keep garrote on all

[limber lion]

But because he doesn't, it's pretty straight forward and easy to keep both bleeds up on Sire/Remornia and Ruptures on the cabalists.

[raven crest]

Also I can't tell if Crimson is trolling me or not - we do not run a slave program for raids. It's just 2 nights a week and we have breaks so people can... well take a break

[lost mist]

hey! can anybody help me with this please? which stats should i aim to play IQD? im actually and there is a way to use it? im just used to play vessel+chain
Cr: 28% (639)
Hst: 22% (729)
Mst: 20% (142)
Vrs: 11% (446)

[amber mountain]

FYI: CT = Crimson Tempest, SBS = Serrated Bone Spike

[gloomy fern]

i just think he dont know what he is talking about

[limber lion]

Crit should be higher than haste, haste should be 2nd. Rest don't matter.

[amber mountain]

This, and I actually like my raiders 🙂

[limber lion]

You do realize he was talking about you Crimson?

[slow marsh]

lol

[amber mountain]

Yes, yes i do

[limber lion]

Okay fair enough

[raven crest]

I don't think we're particularly struggling with P2 DPS, we've only pushed it a couple times and that was with a bunch of people missing - does having dots on multiple things act like funneling flame shocks for ele? Moar boss dmg?

Again, apologies for my terrible rogue knowledge

[amber mountain]

I just know I'm more prone to make mistakes the longer we grind on a single boss

[slow marsh]

I raid 4 hours two nights fri sat with a 10 min break an hour and a half in

[limber lion]

No worries buddy. Yes, keeping bleeds up on several targets contributes to more overall damage as well as more prio/funnel damage.

[slow marsh]

A mark of a good raider is strong mental

[limber lion]

Especially keeping bleeds up on both Sire and Remornia is huge because they share health.

Only attacking Sire basically means only doing 50% of the damage with your bleeds.

[gloomy fern]

i dont think any guild that have been on sire prog raid less than 3h raids and u can see they have breaks on the logs

and then u try to paint it like rogues are more mentally exhausting to play or something

[lost mist]

ok ty 🙂

[slow marsh]

In the sin channel of all channels too

[amber mountain]

Yeah, bad word choice on my part.

[limber lion]

And as clarification, the actual RATING needs to be higher. Not the percent.

[drowsy coral]

I think the key to raid progress is feet massage for rogues, actually Bis

[slow marsh]

I have a foot massager under my desk

no cap

[lost mist]

so i should swap some haste to crit, i got it ❤️

[limber lion]

More like you should swap mastery to crit.

You want both crit and haste pretty high, as long as your crit is your highest.

You can sim it using top gear and it will automatically find you the best combination of gems/enchants

[raven crest]

@limber lion Thanks a lot for your help, and everyone else 🙂 I'm sure it'll be super useful

[limber lion]

If anything else comes up, feel free to come back and we'll take a look how it goes!

[amber mountain]

Just not me, apparently I am weak and incompetent. I'm just gonna own it

[gloomy fern]

i mean that only matters if u play iqd but maybe he asked for that specifically

[limber lion]

Yes he did.

[slow marsh]

I mean to be fair though he's beating the aff lock in damage to bosses in p2

but seems to be a low bar

[lost mist]

oh sure but i use dena head+ring so i have A LOT of haste :ccc, but i can swap my haste-vers legs (223) > crit-mast ones (226) and it will be 687 crit - 677 haste

[limber lion]

Yeah that's probably a good choice. I would still sim it with Top Gear.

[gloomy fern]

im guessing he is asking this in all class channels and not aiming on the rogues wrong doings for his guild to kill sire

[slow marsh]

the 226 crit mastery are bis

well

[limber lion]

For who

[slow marsh]

sorry not bis we can't say that anymore

[limber lion]

Bis for you?

Bis for me?

[slow marsh]

For him 😄

[limber lion]

Bis for everyone?

[raven crest]

[limber lion]

Actual bis with all gear and combinations on the table?

[lost mist]

iceblades, it just sim like -4 dps, so if it allow me to use IQD i can try it, is just 4 dps the leg swap

[limber lion]

Also Bugii make sure to sim IQD with 100% accuracy and turn off the execute

[lost mist]

Ok, i will do it right now

[gloomy fern]

but what u rly should do bugi is click activate spec on sub

[slow marsh]

🤮

next patch sure

[limber lion]

Why don't I have a gtfo-emote

[gloomy fern]

[slow marsh]

OH speaking of gtfo where is Osh

I used his bell tech in key last night and it was actually not as troll as i thought it would be

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

Another disciple has seen the light

[cerulean nest]

ask Top Gear idk

[lost mist]

i really like subt 😢 but i like dps the most

[gloomy fern]

[slow marsh]

It makes me sad I never tried Theotar + Bell

[stoic needle]

Don't worry we get carver's eye next tier

[limber lion]

I mean bell sims a lot worse than other trinkets, but if it makes your naughty bits tingle, then all the power to ya

[slow marsh]

Well I'd never use it for ST

[limber lion]

Why do you want to use it in AoE?

[slow marsh]

Just messing around in 16s with MA NS CT

[stoic needle]

Because it makes you do big dot damage in aoe

[limber lion]

big damage indeed

That's a 200 bell by the way

[slow marsh]

!

How'd you get a 200 bell

[limber lion]

Exactly

You cannot

And it still sims like shit

[slow marsh]

kek

But it's not for the overall it's for the burst in big pulls

[limber lion]

This sim

Is a 40s 6target sim

Where is the burst?

[slow marsh]

Do 20 second 8 target

[limber lion]

I'm not seeing it

[tulip nacelle]

you can get 204 tho

[slow marsh]

Then you'll see it

[limber lion]

I'll do 10 for you

[slow marsh]

Ok ty

Make sure its 8 target tho

[limber lion]

Why

[lost mist]

do 0,005 sec 8 target

[slow marsh]

Cuz we dont do 6 mob pulls that's for kids

[limber lion]

But why not 10 targets

[slow marsh]

yeah 10

even better

[limber lion]

Here's 10 targets, 20s

Big burst indeed

HUGE

[odd heath]

Negative burst

[slow marsh]

K ty

[limber lion]

At a higher item level that is even possible to even get

[stoic needle]

Over what trinkets

[lost mist]

nice healing burst my dude

[limber lion]

Very big burst.

[slow marsh]

Osh what do you have to say for yourself

[limber lion]

220 IQD

I can do a 3 minute sim as well so we get 2 uses out of the bell

[slow marsh]

In all honesty though

[limber lion]

unlucky

Loses in every single situation

[lost mist]

@limber lion that's my sim with IQD 🙂

[limber lion]

3 minute

40s

20s

10 target

6 target

8 target

[limber lion]

Looks good!

[odd heath]

Compare to a 184 iqd, maybe bell wins

[slow marsh]

I use SGT

[limber lion]

Yeah let me just change all of my items to 200 ilvl and use Eonar's legendary as well while we're at it

Maybe it'll pull ahead then

[odd heath]

[slow marsh]

ORRRR if you're a real Osh follower then you full stack mastery and still use IQD

for the super bell

[lost mist]

is there a macro to no execute with iqd? or any tip?

[stoic needle]

I've even said myself before that most of the time I use iqd over bell

[limber lion]

Yes, you self-target yourself when casting it.

Sec

[stoic needle]

I don't have enough mastery to get the mastery proc from it though

[slow marsh]

Well this is why I don't really believe in your teachings

Next patch tho

[stoic needle]

I would like to see a 220 bell vs a 220 iqd though just for comparison's sake

[limber lion]

I don't actually have a self-target macro for it, but I'm sure you can figure it out

[slow marsh]

I mean the bell would win out in that vacuum

[limber lion]

:)

/target Ceverion
/use inscrutable quantum device
/targetlasttarget

maybe something like this works

who knows

Or just remove the /targetlasttarget completely and manually target the target if that messes up

[limber swallow]

/use [target=player] 14

[limber lion]

Yeh, bell wins in that situation.

[limber swallow]

or if you don't keep the IQD in slot 14, you can just put the name instead of 14

[stoic needle]

Unfortunate that the low ilvl holds it back

It's basically just the agi difference I guess lol

[cerulean nest]

hey am I missing something with this sim? it feels especially low for some reason

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8QTiTSu76LMum5hdeW2v9o

[slow marsh]

That's normal

[stoic needle]

windfury bug fix

[cerulean nest]

with venthyr at a lower ilvl i was past 7k

[stoic needle]

sim it again now

windfury only has a 10% proc rate instead of 20% which made everyone lose like 150 dps

[limber lion]

What is the highest ilvl bell you can get

[stoic needle]

203

[limber lion]

203:
62 agility
705 mastery

220:
73 agi
773 mastery

[stoic needle]

wtb deathforging

[slow marsh]

RIP scaling

[cerulean nest]

fuck really? that sucks

makes sense though thats like exactly how much Im missing lol

[stoic needle]

yeah it's bugged

[limber lion]

This doesn't work for me.

I tried something similar at one point and it always just executes.

[stoic needle]

the rank 2 doesn't apply to the shaman's party members, only to the shaman

[gleaming tiger]

guys on raids and m+ is shadowcore oil or sharpened stones are better ?

[cerulean nest]

ah yeah, venth at 6950 now

lame

[slow marsh]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

Stones for both, oil for Theotar cheese in ST.

[stoic needle]

sharpening stones/agi pots for aoe, shadowcore/phantom fire for ST

[limber swallow]

weird. well, if that doesn't work, your target self / target last target is the other approach I've used.. I just got IQD again (I haven't had a usable one since the start of M+) so I'll be playing w/it

[stoic needle]

although phantom fire is a bit inconsistent right now, it will be better in 9.1 though

[slow marsh]

I should probably be doing keys this whole time but I don't want to deal with storming in pugs

[limber lion]

Don't use phantom fire unless you're cheesing with Theotar.

[tulip nacelle]

It shouldn't be that your trinket target is you, but that you don't have an enemy in execute as target

I think

[gleaming tiger]

i am using nadia

so sharpened stones are better huh

[limber lion]

Yeah just use stones and spectral agi for everything.

[slow marsh]

Well

[gleaming tiger]

oki ty

[slow marsh]

If you're talking in raid

[gleaming tiger]

y raid

[slow marsh]

You should be using a tome and select theotar with the consumable thingy and use prepot then swap to nadjia right before pull time is up

That's the theotar cheese

[quaint carbon]

can you change it inside a raid? dont you need t be in a city?

[royal lantern]

shit like that and people abusing it makes me angy and sad at the same time btw

[royal lantern]

tome

[quaint carbon]

ohh right

so you get theotar, prepot, get in tome thing, change conv and pull?

[spice spire]

Change soulbind*

[limber lion]

• You use Tome
• You swap to Theotar with Refined Palate activated
• You pre-pot around 3-5s before pulling
• You swap back to Nadja right after potting

[steel geyser]

more like tome > switch to theotar > wait for 3-5sec before pull > pot > swap back to Nadja

[quaint carbon]

aaahhh i see now! i'll give it a try to check it out then

[steel geyser]

and dont forget to get stealth before you do that, might forget it with the huge soulbind window

Not that it happened to me before or anything

[limber lion]

Imagine not just being in stealth at all times

[steel geyser]

Gotta flex out that mog you know

[hollow river]

And remember to set up theotar soulbind in your covenant sanctum before raid. Lol

[sullen garden]

What slot to craft Zoldyck's on for Sire prog?