assassination

[odd hazel]

azmond is just to big of an asshat to listen to.

:p

i will die on this bridge

[gusty mirage]

I care about my mounts

[fallen arch]

Exactly, their important to you and you alone

[gusty mirage]

The Long boi flex is unmatched

[fallen arch]

Unless you stream to thousands of people I guess. But this is off topic

[odd hazel]

i'll link my midnight mount

[dark crag]

Spectral windrider. Biggest flex

[fallen arch]

Not really

[dark crag]

I was in the shadowlands before it was cool

[odd hazel]

The fact my azmongold trolling didnt trigger you means you're 100% not a simp for him.

[fallen arch]

wdym, I'm top giftsubber

[odd hazel]

[timber basalt]

should i do torghast now or wait until there's a calling

[odd hazel]

do you need the renown?

[timber basalt]

no

[odd hazel]

then just do torghast

[sonic schooner]

thought, pets > mounts

[odd hazel]

Transmog > either

but

i agree, pets > mounts

[sonic schooner]

i would even say titles > all

[odd hazel]

[sonic schooner]

nuuuu i said titles not the other T word D:

[limber lion]

I do like titles and mounts, but I already got my favorite mount and title, so what else is there to do?

[odd hazel]

Alts

the true end game end game

[limber lion]

Yuk

[sonic schooner]

100% achievements

[odd hazel]

Dailies

[limber lion]

I don't actually want to collect useless stuff that I'll never use

I only farmed for Invincible because I wanted it and actually plan on using it

[sonic schooner]

more useless it is, more usefull it becomes

[limber lion]

Not getting any other mounts

[odd hazel]

tbhi dont care much for mounts, i have midnight, and i just ride the sand drake

[limber lion]

Got my Famed titles, so now we're just chillim

[fallen arch]

But after you get Invincible, there will probably another one that you'll want and you'll use

[sonic schooner]

i got new midnight last week that s a pog

[odd hazel]

Got the perf title: The Horde Slayer so its gg

[terse talon]

fuck mounts... ive had my rouge since day 1 and im currently up to 37 mounts 😄

[weary marten]

guys what's the full english name of the gem necro thingy that procs crit ?

[limber lion]

Nah, I've wanted it for 4 years and finally got it. I'll be happy with it :p

[odd hazel]

4 years, THATS Dedication

[fallen arch]

You got it?

[limber lion]

Heirmir's Arsenal: Marrowed Gemstone

[weary marten]

thanks !

[sonic schooner]

i m doing settek for 4 years as well, still no mount 😔

[limber lion]

Ye got it last week.

[fallen arch]

Same, 223 runs in

[fallen arch]

Gratz 😄

[limber lion]

Thanks!

[odd hazel]

i know people who've been doing that on like

16 toons for 5+ years

you've won

[limber lion]

I had 134 attempts on it

So still over the drop rate

[fallen arch]

It's like a little under 1% right ?

[limber lion]

It's right around 1%

[alpine latch]

I made r3 Doomblade last night (shoulders, since it's by far my lowest item). I'm officially over 6k sims bois.

[limber lion]

Eyy nice grats!

[alpine latch]

I'll worry about fully optimizing in 9.1. I just needed the power for now and so I threw it on my shittiest item

Being able to infinitely farm SA means that I don't really need to care about optimizing right now

[odd hazel]

i cant wait to just blast out all SA i need from the start so i never have to do it again

[alpine latch]

Soul Cinders are what takes a while to farm

[odd hazel]

thats fine, ranks for leggos dont do a lot so i'll get what i need to rank 4.

[alpine latch]

It's 1 week worth Soul Cinders of the top layer for r5, then another 3 weeks for rank 6

[odd hazel]

i'll prob farm SA now and make dashing incase we go that way

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I'm stocking mine up. I only have rank 2 Zoldycks so I needed Doomblade for raid

You get twice as much per layer in 9.1

So stocking up isn't that big of a deal honestly

[odd hazel]

i would use my zold but i need somethign to replace my doom shoulders.

no SLG shoulders sadly.

isnt it like

1000 at rank 8 or something

[alpine latch]

My guild won't get to Mythic SLG

So it didn't matter much for me

We're 3/10 and got Darkvein to 45%. If we had more time on her she'd be dead.

[odd hazel]

i just want them so my zold set isnt rocking a vers/mastery shoulders.

[alpine latch]

Just need our GM to stop kicking people.. lol

[odd hazel]

why is your gm kicking people lol

[alpine latch]

Combination of her and them

She can be a bit brash some times, but people also specifically troll her to get her to yell at them then get in their feels when she does.

[faint harness]

anyone know if you can domination socket appropriate legendary tokens?

[odd hazel]

nope

domination sockets are raid drop only

[faint harness]

cus otherwise

doomblade might be kinda yikes

[odd hazel]

you only get them on certain peices from raid.

[faint harness]

the cap on sockets is 5

[odd hazel]

yes

but you get them only on armor drops from raid.

[faint harness]

and both shoulders and gloves (doomblade tokens) got sockets

[odd hazel]

we are makin dashing

[faint harness]

so no matter what you do, you'll lose a socket with doomblade

[odd hazel]

its to late for doom boys

[faint harness]

seems weird

[pure moth]

Sounds like you need to find a new guild.

[alpine latch]

Naw, people just need to stop being idiots

[odd hazel]

i mean

being brash for the sake of being brash isnt good.

[alpine latch]

"lol it's funny to take 3 stacks of flasks from the guild bank every raid night and then she yells at me"

[odd hazel]

yelling about flasks

yikes

[alpine latch]

Naw

It's not yelling

[odd hazel]

yeah lol

i'll send you 40

hold on

[alpine latch]

Cool, send it to Krymoore-Area52

[odd hazel]

oof

horde

[alpine latch]

Btw

The Horde are dogshit at m+

[odd hazel]

Mechagnome race ftw

[alpine latch]

Swapping from Alliance to Horde, the Horde have no idea what they are doing in 10s

[sacred isle]

Because good players dont really play 10s anymore

[spice spire]

Diaper baby race

[alpine latch]

Maybe if I join some 15s it'll be better, but I'm just trying to get my fucking Phial

I joined a 10, we were at the 3rd boss of PF with 57% trash

[odd hazel]

hows it feel to have worse racials then a baby.

[alpine latch]

We needed almost 30% after we killed the final boss

[spice spire]

I finally got a phial Sunday

[odd hazel]

just do 2s palmer

[spice spire]

Crit is pretty Deece - along with being able to soothe with mana regen

At least my mog isn’t WiS

[odd hazel]

my agility stacks say otherwise

[spice spire]

Better transmog = better dam. Unlucky

[odd hazel]

my two transmogs

[spice spire]

Yikes

[odd hazel]

What race are you?

[spice spire]

Belf master race

[odd hazel]

Oof, crystal addict.

[spice spire]

I was a troll - befittingly

[odd hazel]

if i was going for t-mog, i'd prob do zand troll

but

that new orc race

ooooo

[spice spire]

It was a tossup between the two - I like the passive crit over the loa stuff

[final star]

I cannot think of anything worse than willingly playing mechagnome

[odd hazel]

imagine wanting to do less dps

yikes

[final star]

Imagine being alliance

[odd hazel]

hows those awful M+ racials going

[final star]

Arcane torrent would like a word

[spice spire]

Idk how awful they are but at least there’s more than 6 total people on my faction running mythics

[odd hazel]

im on stormrage, theres always people running mythics

tbh though

i cant even lie

wish i was horde

[spice spire]

I also really don’t care about any of this, I love giving flack to gnomes of all

[odd hazel]

^

[final star]

Just swap to horde

[spice spire]

That ones going in the vault

[odd hazel]

i was OG horde before my guild switched to ally

[spice spire]

Any time you defend diaper babies

[final star]

It's time to find a new guild

They just trying for easy HoF?

[odd hazel]

i mean, i want to get into mythic raiding so im debating it

[final star]

Okay well that explains it all

[odd hazel]

for some reason the guilds i get into always fall apart after getting heroic on farm.

but talk about wanting to do mythic the whole time

[final star]

Because you are applying to bad guilds

[odd hazel]

fair enough.

[final star]

With zero mythic experience

The guild, not you

[odd hazel]

i know lol. but like

they want to try it at first then get burnt out from just heroic

which is fine but its sad when it happens

[final star]

The average hc player thinks they could do mythic

Then they actually do it

And get dunked the fuck on

And just dissolve

[odd hazel]

so im just a sad 219 rogue slowly getting valor to get upgrades lmao.

[spice spire]

My guild took a two month hiatus after downing heroic and they’re slowly creeping back in. I was lucky enough to go into a group as bench and they wanted me to go main

[final star]

I'm higher on my shaman after 2months

How you only 219 now

[spice spire]

And I’m very much just casually doing mythic, 5/10 is better than I expected tbh

[odd hazel]

i jsut got ksm this week

last week*

[final star]

[odd hazel]

i never really tried for it till recently.

[spice spire]

I’m only 222

[odd hazel]

wanted to do it with guild but

only officer that plays now basically

so i had to pug all of my 15s

[final star]

I'm 225-226 on rogue, 224 on boomy and 220 on shaman 😂

I don't have ksm on shaman though

[alpine latch]

The difference between an AotC guild and a 2/10-4/10 Mythic guild isn't much at all, honestly.

[spice spire]

Ye but you can still upgrade to 220

I’d bump it to 6/10 this tier.

I think any guild can ram their head enough times to get 6/10

[odd hazel]

tbh, they say they want to try some mythic kills this week. if things go south im just hopping to a new guild i think ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice spire]

Council is a hard wall for MANY guilds

[alpine latch]

I'm on week 5 and my rogue just hit 215. I'm wondering the same thing, lol

[final star]

Just play game and gear come

If you play less it's understandable to be lower

[spice spire]

Tell that to my weapons

[final star]

Which is a fair assumption

My guild formed less than a month ago

And we're 6/10 already

Started at 210ish average ilvl

Well, maybe just a bit more than a month actually

[odd hazel]

because i play other things as well. i also wasnt seriously gearing until recently because i wanted to do things with the guild because i enjoy doing stuff with them. but i've just decided to say fuck it and get more serious about gearing and honestly want to go into mythic nextt tier.

I just recently got KSM last week ( I had every item at 213 for a LONG while, prob atleast a month ) i know im a bit behind honestly

i also like, play 2-4 hours a day usually.

[final star]

Pugging as rogue easy

[odd hazel]

uh

maybe you've had more luck then me

[final star]

You're alliance

Pugging is impossible as alliance

[alpine latch]

lol

[odd hazel]

i literally had to

[alpine latch]

Pugging as Alliance was a lot easier than as Horde in my experience.

[odd hazel]

que all day just to get 2-4 15s

tbh though, i hindered my self by not doing things as often as i should have. if i had my own keys it would of been easy.

for you mythic raiders out there though, any tips for a rogue to get into mythics? or atleast get prepared to?

[severe hemlock]

mythic raids?

[spice spire]

Do mechanics well

[odd hazel]

Dont talk to a superior mechagnome like that Belf

[severe hemlock]

Just apply

Honestly doing dps is doing dps, if you can do dps in heroic you can do dps in mythic. It's just do your mechanics properly.

[spice spire]

But in all seriousness all of my super shit parses (there are a lot) are me dying to mechanics with outs - as long as you do that, you’ll at least be “average” but also yeah apply

Even if you’re a bench - if you frag, you’re In

[severe hemlock]

It's not like your rotation on hungering destroyer changes, for example.

[odd hazel]

[spice spire]

Locked into the vault forever

[odd hazel]

[final star]

There is no denying the volume of keys on horde is much much larger

So by that alone pugging is way easier on horde

[alpine latch]

I get accepted a lot more on Alliance, actually.

I can queue for hours and get one group. On Alliance I queue in 3 groups and I'm in

[hazy crater]

8 dps between chain and 233 heraldry

[odd heath]

Study the fights, know what can kill you, what you need to do on the fight, how to position, etc.

Plan your cd usage on fights and follow it. You can check on warcraftlogs where ppl used their vendettas, cloak of shadows, etc.

Have your weak auras and boss mods well configured, to facilitate your life.

[hoary night]

Has any necro sin tried Duskwalker+PvP badge ?

theoretically I get my every vend with gemstone buff

Just attempted on heroic slud it works pretty awesome with MfD

But you need a PI and/or Fae at pull to align vend with pillars

[final star]

That's just a biproduct of there being less to choose from. 10 applicants vs 100 for the same key level

Also rio etc

[hazy crater]

Should I just pick the 233 heraldry

[final star]

How many heraldry do you have in raid

Including if you had one

[hazy crater]

Enough

[final star]

Sim yourself for that number of heraldry users in a party

[hazy crater]

Yeah it is a 8dps loss against chain but chain assumes 100% uptime

so probably just go for heraldry

[final star]

233 more agi, likely full heraldry group and good vers

[hazy crater]

Oh yeah it's a massive up in cleave anyway

gonna go for it

[final star]

Or is it flat vers, I forget

[spice spire]

Nice

[final star]

[spice spire]

It’s flat vers + 5% per person with heraldry

[final star]

Ya up to 20% of that

[hoary night]

for me, 3 is good enough and 5 will be bis

[final star]

Is a good trinket

I like these party buff trinkets tbh

[knotty heron]

Should I line up potion use with Vendetta and flag?

Or on the pull if lust on pull?

When is the right time?

[sonic schooner]

if its a 8dps loss for you but a 50 dps gain for others, that s a go

🙄

[hazy crater]

Well its going to be a loss for someone whose place I will now take from the Heraldry group

[carmine token]

Alright so I'm going to sim this but, what do you think is best trinket combo
220 dread, 213 memory of sin, 226 skulkers, 220 iqd

[low wedge]

Dread + skulkers i believe

[carmine token]

I would think so too because they are two nukes, but the memory of past sins seems to sim pretty high.

[gusty mirage]

For sin? 220 dread + iqd most likely

Iqd is ginormous if you have enough crit rating

[gloomy fern]

skulkers is big boy

[tight fox]

This is with M+ in mind - I dont raid anymore

Got back to the game not that long ago - ive a semi geared shaman and im picking up my rogue again - which legendary sims better for sin? I can see that Bloodfang is better on AOE with Zoldyck Insignia not too far behind at least according to bloodmallet but then on ST Bloodfang beats Zoldyck Insignia - last time i played at a higher level was in legion and then we used bracers with the same effect of Zoldyck Insignia or vendeta boots.

Zoldyck Insignia will get better at higher keys however im hesitant on which to craft, thoughts? anyone have both and can provide sims ?

[gloomy fern]

but yeah sim iqd in slot 1

[spice spire]

All my homies hate skulkers

[gusty mirage]

Craft zold for aoe and doomblade for ST. Bloodfang poopy

[carmine token]

i didnt upgrade the iqd yet , so its only 210. The sim shows for patch and for dslice, dread+skulks.
In hectic, iqd+skulk is 75dps lower
In patchwerk though, skulk + iqd (210 ilvl) is 37dps lower, so perhaps at 220 iqd would sim higher.

[gusty mirage]

Zold is still good for lower keys

[tight fox]

ok so doomblade would be for tyranical weeks - assuming my rogue is a fresh 60 -doom blade would be better starting since trash wont last long enough for zold t o be good

[carmine token]

i was using MA for a bit, zold feels better and seems to do more

[tight fox]

hmm

[carmine token]

less punishing if i fuck up my vanish windows

[gloomy fern]

you gotta sim IQD in slot 1 or its used poorly

[gusty mirage]

Nah you’d still play zold on tyran weeks

[tight fox]

so whats the use case for doomblade ?

[gusty mirage]

Our damage suffers a bit on low end keys because stuff blows up so fast, but it doesn’t matter at that point

Just raid, or dungeons with small pulls (like theater)

[tight fox]

ok zold first then, thanks

[gusty mirage]

[undone eagle]

then i take nightstalker? 😮

why this of all sudden?

[limber lion]

Yed

[undone eagle]

They buffed it?

[limber lion]

It's not all of a sudden?

It's been like that for months.

[undone eagle]

Im pretty sure i was reccomended to play sub + MA lego LMFAO

[limber lion]

3+ months

[undone eagle]

all my career ive been playing with this bro

[gusty mirage]

If you want a good resource for getting back into sin M+ our resident gamer @warped temple has an awesome guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2Db7rkSIiT56b0PXQPjugZATnyx6aDOflx4oZgVwgs/edit?usp=sharing @tight fox

[undone eagle]

Y I K E S!

[limber lion]

Maybe by some normie then

Because that's incorrect

[undone eagle]

so this is why im dps lossing KAPP

[limber lion]

You play Subt with Zoldyck

Ns with MA

[undone eagle]

wait maybe its because its written in the tips?

it was meant to be for raiding

I guess...

ill show

@limber lion

[hazy crater]

yeah that is what you play with zoldyck

[undone eagle]

yikes man..

smh

so what do you prefer as lego for m+ now? zoldyck or MA

[limber lion]

Zoldyck

It's always been Zoldyck

Always

Since day 1

[undone eagle]

😂 i think i was used to subtlety spec

cuz there MA is best for m+

[limber lion]

The MA legendary was only used for the NS MFD CT build

But even then it loses to Zoldyck

MA is bis for Outlaw as well

But not Assa

:p

[strange python]

for venth, would lashing scars and familiar predicaments be better than going dauntless duelist?

2 potencies or 1 with duelist

[limber lion]

For raiding?

Dauntless Duelist for raid

[undone eagle]

Okey thanks @limber lion so i go zoldyck lego + MA talent?

[limber lion]

Our potencies are really, really bad so double potency isn't much use

[limber lion]

No...........

[undone eagle]

nightstalker then

[limber lion]

Like I've said 3 times now

You use Subterfuge with Zoldyck

And NS with MA

[undone eagle]

aight cheers but one question

[limber lion]

Not sure if trolling or not

Go ahead

[undone eagle]

''while stealth is active'' so how do you open with MA lego?

I guess 50% dmg the first one i open with or?

[limber lion]

You use MFD from stealth and open with Crimson Tempest

That way your Nightstalker snapshots CT and it gets 50% more damage for the initial hit and the whole duration of CT

The build is really good for low level keys, but loses value a lot when you move up.

[undone eagle]

aha okey thanks !

im not trolling at all just a bit mind fucked, misreading 😂

appreciate the help mate

good to know i played with wrong talent + lego combined all the time since i change to assa

@limber lion a last question regarding 9.1

[limber lion]

No worries buddy

You got the right setup now so you can start pumping

[undone eagle]

is zoldyck even worth to craft rank 4 ? Since I dont do a lot of m+ anymore i just wonder if its still gonna be useful 9.1 so ik if to craft it or not 😄

[odd hazel]

[gloomy fern]

always usable on prog

[undone eagle]

i havent crafted zoldyck yet

[limber lion]

It is generally useful for Mythic progression

But if you're not doing high tier mythic prog, I don't think it'll be the most useful piece of legendary.

[undone eagle]

Well I usually stay around 1900~ RIO so my goal has ended, might have same goal for next season , so I guess its worth crafting it directly to rank 4 ?

[gusty mirage]

I’d probably just craft a r3 and see where next tier takes us. Deathspike is looking really good for necro rogues

Plus the sub buffs will make sub better for m+ from a damage standpoint

[undone eagle]

oh right regarding covenant , if i wanna focsu on raid & m+ more than PvP its worth going necro than being venthyr right?

[gusty mirage]

I’d personally suggest necro simply because you do m+. Anytime there’s a 2nd target present necro > venthyr

Venthyr’s a clear winner in pure ST fights though

[undone eagle]

well in this case including PVE i wanna focus more on m+ so i guess im going necro 😄

thanks btw

[gusty mirage]

Plus I think there’s less pure ST fights in raid in 9.1 than there were this tier

No problem

[undone eagle]

Yep 😄 indeed

[final star]

Yeah lots of cleave in sanctum

Only a few fights one target

The nine for example is great for rogue

Rogue is pretty good on every fight tested so far tbh

[odd hazel]

I’m prob gonna get 40 on venth then go finish up necro. I wanna throw some bones

[undone eagle]

perfect

btw do i wanna craft zoldyck lego on legs or feet? does it matter besides cost?

[odd hazel]

Legs preferred but it won’t make or break anything

[undone eagle]

ty

[limber lion]

Boots might be the play for mythic raiders in 9.1

[teal bloom]

Sylvanas dagger has an unique effect?

[limber lion]

I don't think it does, unless they've changed it up recently

[limber lion]

[sinful cradle]

[undone eagle]

poggers

now when i switched to necro my renowns resetted, is there a higher chance in heroic raids to drop renown from boss comparedto normal? or is it same % drop chance?

[spice spire]

Same chance

[limber lion]

I mean you should just clear all raids on every difficulty. Renown is not loot locked per boss, it's per difficulty.

[spice spire]

You run em all thoigh

I will say this time around - way less renown dropped from raids for me

[limber lion]

So in theory you can get 30 renown from raids a week

But most likely around 20

[spice spire]

I did 6 bosses and got 2 renown on LFR

Which meant I went into Inerva and SKS with 30 renown instead of 31 for gemstone

[teal bloom]

Last week I got 9 renown from lfr and only 3 from normal 😦

[dull cloak]

i was getting renown for every raid boss until i was 20+ renown

[limber lion]

Damn it, I was late to come home because I had to do some shopping and get a haircut and our raid is apparently starting 30 minutes early

Which means that I won't have time to do 2 Maldraxxus dungeons to swap to Necrolord

In 29 minutes

[spice spire]

FUCK

Time to turbo send it, gamer

[limber lion]

Guess I gotta stick to Venthyr for one more day

[spice spire]

Solo bolo normal?

[limber lion]

Hmm

[spice spire]

Stealth to boss and profit?

[limber lion]

Do you get the same % from normal and heroic?

Also do you get % from killing the bosses or from completing the dungeon?

[spice spire]

100% unsure on both questions

[carmine token]

i switched to necro last week, and i did lfr before reset. I'm at 17 renown now, and after weekly reset, lfr is not giving me renown. I did mythic raiding last night, killed 4 bosses and only got one renown

which means im at 18.

I'm guessing ive used all my 'catch up' renown from raids so now i need to do dungeons or something, or pvp , idk

[spice spire]

Did you complete the story?

[carmine token]

not yet, like chapter 5

[spice spire]

Up to where you should be*

[limber lion]

I don't think it works like that.

[carmine token]

im not sure how it works but i was suprised mythic raiding didnt give me a renown each

[spice spire]

Because it gets really weird when you’re not

[limber lion]

I've been doing:
LFR - Normal - Heroic - World boss - Campaign

First as Venthyr then Necro

Got 31+ on both the same way

[spice spire]

Yeah I didn’t get one from either boss I downed either, pit

[carmine token]

:(

[limber lion]

Have you ever been 31+ renown?

[carmine token]

I'll do more story then

yeah i was max renown on venth

[spice spire]

Yeah I would

[limber lion]

Alright

Unlucky then I guess

The renown system is quite odd

[carmine token]

as a new to wow player, i hate how everything in wow is undefined and mystical

like there's no actual guide on catching up renown just a bunch of random posts across sites that say 'just do story, dungeons, raids, world boss, pvp'

like do i seriously need an addon to tell me how to get renown the most efficiently

[spice spire]

Oh also - callings are free

[carmine token]

yeah i think i read somewhere that once you do calling and the two weekly quests (souls and anima) that the catchup mechanic changes

[halcyon zealot]

its quite simple, the lower your renown the higher chance you have at getting an rng renown, which is why its best to go LFR, normal etc at low renown and to save the guarunteed renown (WB, weeklys, campaign) until youre at the range where the rng drops from raids and dungeons diminishes severely

[limber lion]

We just don't know anything and neither do the addons.-

[carmine token]

i did souls+anima on monday

[sinful cradle]

Theres a wowhead post about how to do renown most efficiently

[limber lion]

It's very bish-bosh

It doesn't say "do this"

It says

[quasi ledge]

There's a shit ton more info than there used to be. If you think stuff isn't "explained" well enough now, you'd be fucked playing Classic

[limber lion]

Here's what you can do:
list of things

[carmine token]

you know 'quite simple' is kind of demeaning right

[sinful cradle]

https://i.imgur.com/uptPyHP.png

[gloomy fern]

cant u just do 2 plaguefall normal queues and b line to last 2 bosses

[limber lion]

Yes, but I have 18 minutes

That's the problem

[gloomy fern]

its like 5 min each

[limber lion]

And the queues are 30 mins each

[gloomy fern]

take 4 from guild

4 dps 1 tank

[spice spire]

Or just stealth to boss

On normal you can probably dome bosses tbh

[raven locust]

Anyone run some sims for the raid trinkets? Didn't notice anything in Pins

[stoic needle]

None of them are implemented yet

Because they get changed every ptr build

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d5EgwpL7FtPPRiixbGatdh

93 dps from a weapon

Gods bless me today

[alpine latch]

Fuck you Cev! I just hit 6100 and you're flexxing almost 7200

😢

[limber lion]

Hey I was at 6100 at some point as well!

We're all equal here

Gamers all of us

[alpine latch]

If that's the case, you all suck

Because I'm bad

lol

[limber lion]

Hell yeah we do

[alpine latch]

I didn't even gouge in my m+ last night

[raven locust]

I've got 233 from my last 3 chests when we're not really raiding anymore but during prog nearly every slot was junk

feels bad

[stoic needle]

I haven't gotten an upgrade from the vault in months

Hard stuck under 7k

[raven locust]

Still no 226 Phial though, rocking that 220 for months xd

[limber lion]

Same. I'm also rocking a 220 off hand

[alpine latch]

I'm still trying to get a phial. I'll be happy when I get any because I can boost it to 220

[undone eagle]

Does it refferer to randomg battle ground , arena skirmish, mythic heroic /normal ??

[balmy condor]

All of the above

[undone eagle]

Okey good so it literally doesnt matter what i do then 😄 ill just get renown cheers

[balmy condor]

Can get renown from LFR as well

[undone eagle]

yeye

[balmy condor]

Higher level content is more likely though

[undone eagle]

atm clearing hc + normal

i just wanna rush 25+ renown , cba doing campaign then have to wait due to low renown etc

[frosty bridge]

Guys im having a debate with a friend

You cant evasion night hunters on Sire mythic, can you?

[limber lion]

No, you cannot.

You can't evade them on heroic either, fyi

[frosty bridge]

Thought so, I never tried it because it sounded silly lol

[limber lion]

Or any other difficulty for that matter.

[frosty bridge]

But my friend keeps convincing me

[limber lion]

Trust me, I've tried it.

[frosty bridge]

[carmine wasp]

Hello

[teal bloom]

timed my first ever +15 and it was +2 WidePeepoHappy

[carmine wasp]

does someone know something about the uptime of the Phantomfire potion ?

[balmy condor]

Not sure what you mean by uptime

[carmine wasp]

I saw some logs where it was like 1.13 minutes up

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s cheese with Theotar

You spec into theotar’s potion duration, drink the potion before the pull, swap back to nadjia

[teal bloom]

Unethical venthyr gameplay

[carmine wasp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aqXCYjHWgkRP2GFQ#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=13&ability=321937

whaaa

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s theotar cheese

[carmine wasp]

ye you're right

tyyy

[balmy condor]

Np

[spice spire]

Unethical play in this assassination channel

[halcyon zealot]

i waste tomes to do theotar cheese on denny prog pulls ... just to feel something

[sand needle]

Noob question - just coming back after leaving in cata. I'd like to play sin for m+, but am I gimping myself by not going outlaw?

[balmy condor]

Not really

[sand needle]

okay good

[balmy condor]

Theotar cheese for sire p1 Just to stop dps a minute later

The most unethical thing imaginable

[alpine latch]

Are you wanting to run +30s? If so ... Maybe.

[sand needle]

haha, no

[alpine latch]

Outlaw can easily handle low to mid 20s

Assassination tops out mid 20s

[sand needle]

okay, i'm fine with ksm at this point

[alpine latch]

Yeah, you're going to be fine

[sand needle]

sweet. i find it fun and challenging

[alpine latch]

Assassination is easy to play in m+, fun, and relatively low stress.

Outlaw is hectic, high stress, but performs slightly higher

[sand needle]

i enjoy the dot management

[alpine latch]

Sorry, trying to think faster than I type, lol

[sand needle]

appreciate the info!

[royal lantern]

calling outlaw high stress is........uhm

dunno

i would not call outlaw some big brain high stress gameplay lol, its mostly "use stuff on cd" and "keep bladeflurry up" and you do 90%correct allready

[alpine latch]

If you play Outlaw and don't feel like a crackhead, more power to ya

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

I find the opposite effect tbh

[alpine latch]

Interesting. What about Sin specifically in m+ is unfun/hard/high stress?

[spice spire]

Tab n stab gaming

[balmy condor]

Having to manage a lot of dots can be a little tricky

[stoic needle]

Yeah

It's harder than pressing blade flurry that's for sure

[alpine latch]

Even "bad" dot management is going to get you far more than enough damage for KSM though

[royal lantern]

like i said pal

[balmy condor]

That’s not the unit of measurement though is it

[royal lantern]

pressing BF and doing your normal ST stuff is allready doing 90%correct on outlaw

multidotting is more complicated for most people

[alpine latch]

You're assuming people are playing Outlaw 90% correct

lol

[royal lantern]

ofc minmaxing is WAY different

[balmy condor]

Outlaw face rolls and it’s good enough

[royal lantern]

normal st stuff for outlaw is litearlly "spamm SS and use stuff on cd"

[nimble tartan]

i think we can all agree its outlaw>sin>sub for skill

and by all i mean all the voices in my head

[alpine latch]

I haven't even touched Sub since Hemo rogues were a thing back in TBC

[desert inlet]

sometimes on outlaw I forget to press blade flurry

[hollow river]

All the tab targeting and quick micro decision making IMO is more difficult

[desert inlet]

too high level for me

[stoic needle]

You're missing out

[spice spire]

Outlaw easier to midmax, u right

[hollow river]

Don’t get me wrong, I find it much more enjoyable than outlaw

But harder to master

[stoic needle]

Outlaw with sbs and MfD can get complicated , but it's still less complicated than sin where you have to change your rotation dynamically based on target count and ttd

[nimble tartan]

for me its cause outlaw is the least solved spec so far

[hollow river]

As outlaw I didn’t have to switch targets hardly I could just focus the interrupt targets and get all the kicks so ez

[spice spire]

Omr going in

[hollow river]

Easier to position mechanics because of acrobatic strikes

[teal bloom]

I just make every enemy bleed and usually even beat fire mages in overall dps somehow

[nimble tartan]

i love acro

[tropic ocean]

its not unusual to beat firemages

in pugs

[subtle tundra]

because you play with bad firemages/tanks that dont play around fire

[oak sky]

no mass aoe pulls then theres no benefit

[limber lion]

rogue is very hard spec yes

[tropic ocean]

you are really strong at cleave and smaller packsizes and fire isnt so

[teal bloom]

Yeah fire mages don't like small pulls

[fleet anchor]

I personally don't really see what's that much harder about Assassination than Outlaw for M+

[subtle tundra]

fotm reroll firemage are pugging for many reasons

[limber lion]

I don't see what's difficult about the game, period

[fleet anchor]

I don't really think that are that different

Obviously different types of rotations, I think the focus is not the same but overall the difficulty level is pretty similar

[balmy condor]

I think it depends on the person quite a bit

[fleet anchor]

MfD+SBS on Outlaw is probably more annoying to mouseover manage than Ruptures if I'm being honest

[balmy condor]

Managing a ton of short cooldowns vs a bunch of dots

[tropic ocean]

^

i removed mfd completely and just play deeper cuz it gets really hectic in packs with lots of resets (in combo with sbs)

[nimble tartan]

imagine going into battle in a dungeon and all you do is give papercuts to enemies and they bleed a little vs going in as chadlaw with guns and swords...

[tropic ocean]

other than that its pretty much the same do around 8kish dps in outlaw and in sin too

took a while to adapt to sl playstyle compared to bfa

only thing I personally find hard when switching is the way lower attack range

often reminds me of some mechanics i completely forgot about

[hollow river]

Also probably depends on how long you’ve been playing the game/class

[pale fossil]

I think Outlaw gets more complicated when you add the dynamic decisionmaking for RtB to that, plus Ghostly Strike.

[stoic needle]

yeah but you dont play GS in keys

and rtb is just "reroll if you dont have BS/TB"

not that hard

[tropic ocean]

rtb is not really hard

[pale fossil]

Totally, I should've clarified that I was talking about narrow situations. Sire with GS/MfD/SBS felt like a frenetic mess for me.

[amber mountain]

I find outlaw feels weaker when I don't have more than 1 target, so while it's a nice little game of DPS whack-a-mole during trash, bosses always feel... soggy

[tropic ocean]

simple wa tells u whenever u need to reroll

a lot more chill than bfa with the cd

[stoic needle]

i still think that trying to manage dots on often up to a dozen or more mobs that are going all over the place is harder than just pressing things as they come off cooldown with blade flurry up

[tropic ocean]

and roll logic

[pale fossil]

I mean, your CP generation changes with your buffs, and it can get hard to track what's a CtO buff versus RtB buff for purposes of rerolling.

[vague scroll]

how do we play at mythic SLG?

[amber mountain]

whereas 'sin feels frantic on trash managing the spinning plates of bleeds (which is a gameplay dynamic I kinda love), it feels very solid and impactful on bosses

[stoic needle]

but you don't track that

you just reroll in pandemic

especially with how buggy CTO is right now, you don't try to distinguish between cto and rtb buffs

[amber mountain]

I tend to stick to a rule of "try to keep 5 of everything up at all times" and focus specific mobs for interrupts (death being the ultimate interrupt)

[pale fossil]

I think the playstyle of just "always be pressing something on GCD" feels frenetic to me regardless, so adding layers of decisionmaking to it stresses me out. I like the small mental breaks of pooling energy and doing DoT maintenance.

[stoic needle]

personally, if it moves, it bleeds

[amber mountain]

I like that 🙂

[stoic needle]

i agree, and that's why i don't enjoy outlaw much at all. the core gameplay loop is just not my jam

[tropic ocean]

think you can get very good results with not super min max play, playing assa only in 14/15 range i garrote from stealth until subter is out put ct and 3 rupture and then just fok envenom into main target

probably not optimal but good enough for 8kish overall in forti

[amber mountain]

I open close to the same, with garrotte, CT, and Rupture, then it's a game of SBS priorities, SnD, and using FoK for refreshing ruptures vs envenom to reload SnD. If there's a high priority target that needs to go down, I'll sometimes blow some cooldowns on it as I go, depending on time to next pride or boss

in a good pack, without blowing cooldowns, i can float around 8-11k depending on procs

Of course, that's if the pack lives long enough and my regular group's boomkin hasn't just full moon convoked and killed everything with a 22k dps burst

[pale fossil]

Do you all use MA?

[amber mountain]

Depends on whether it's a fort or tyr week

[hollow river]

I feel like MA without outlaws CDR would feel bad

[pale fossil]

I've only recently made the swap to Necro Sin. I've been playing Outlaw for most of SL, and most of that spent as NF, so I was using Korayn instead of MA.

[nimble tartan]

What you're gonna do, is as simple as you're gonna garrote one, garrote two, garrote three, rupture vendetta exsanguinate! yeah? then you're gonna fok fok, rupture again, you're gonna vanish, reapply garrotes, especially on the target you don't have, and that's it, then you're gonna ct (crimson tempest). Look at my damage, right now, fucking 40k, it's fucking over dude. Oooh. How the fuck though LETS GO

[amber mountain]

Both are nearly interchangeable in M+ in my experience

[pale fossil]

So I've just been running Doomblade with ST talents haha

[hollow river]

O.O

[tropic ocean]

its fucking OVER

LOOK HOW GOOD I AM AT THE GAME EYES CLOSED TOP DPS

[hollow river]

Whoever originally said this is my hero

[tropic ocean]

🤣🤣🤣

[amber mountain]

ok, that's some great pasta

[tropic ocean]

u dont know that video?

[stoic needle]

zoldyck forever

deathspike soon

[amber mountain]

Deathspike looks interesting, if it makes it through the PTR, i'm all oveer it

[hollow river]

Who is it from

Infexious ?

[alpine latch]

The king is dead. Long live the king.

[tropic ocean]

@hollow river https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-wINzrcgMM

[amber mountain]

I run Zoldyk most of the time, playing with MA (because why not, i had the Soul Ash and I LOVE Torghast), and it seems to keep the numbers higher and more consistent, but at the end of a run it seems to be a less than 1% difference for my play

[stoic needle]

MA and Zoldyck do have similar overall damage output

[alpine latch]

Holy shit, we found him!

He's the guy that likes Torghast...

[stoic needle]

but i prefer the damage profile of zoldyck and the fact that you get benefit from it on every mob

don't have to swap from zoldyck except on SD

[dull cloak]

torghast is fun wym

[hollow river]

Bro if there’s 8 targets should you gar x4 CT vanish gar x4 rupture, shiv, fok rupt til everything dies

Massive

[pale fossil]

Do we think we'll still use Zoldyk in 9.1?

[hollow river]

Either that or necro leggo

Zoldyck probably still good for prog

[tropic ocean]

hoping for the 2nd leggy dream

[amber mountain]

Yeah, Zoldyk or Deathspike

[tropic ocean]

to use dashing+x

[hollow river]

I’ve been sitting on 190 doom blade 190 zold

[amber mountain]

omg, Zoldyk AND Deathspike would be nice

[hollow river]

Idk y

What does death spike do

[tropic ocean]

it spikes monsters death

[hollow river]

.

[amber mountain]

Serrated Bone Spike has 2 additional charges and hits 2 additional nearby enemies.

[hollow river]

Oh that’s the necro leggo

My b

[amber mountain]

You can get torghast powers that give that same feel and it's gross

[hollow river]

I like the increased range and damage ability

Sick nasty 5 SBS that do 10k+

[amber mountain]

lol, yeah, i got that one this weekend for the first time

Only been rolling Necro for the past week

[hollow river]

Final boss, stand by vendor and DUMP EM

Imagine doing that inside gemstone window

[pale fossil]

Dumping 5 SBS into a pack during a Gemstone or MA window sounds gnarly

[hollow river]

How many seconds is MA leggo

[sinful cradle]

4 sec

[hollow river]

Might need to SBS SBS CT etc it won’t all fit lol

[pale fossil]

Not with that attitude

[hollow river]

😦

[pale fossil]

Hey we'll have a little more haste 🙂

[hollow river]

Well mfd CT then dump SBS and rupt

Rofl

[stoic needle]

MFD + SBS on sin is

just too much for me personally

[pale fossil]

You will play boneless outlaw and you will like it

[stoic needle]

N

[limber swallow]

Hmm, not sure if even with MFD sin is anywhere close to the APM of outlaw. I ran a few 17's and 18's last night as outlaw with SBS+MFD (first time since switching to necro) and it's very very busy

[pale fossil]

I agree, I was just joking. It's more frenetic, but not as much as Outlaw.

[hollow river]

Actions per minute is not what we are here for

We are here for damage per second

[amber mountain]

I'm here for the free donuts...

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

on council do u guys dot the offtarget bosses?

[limber lion]

Yes

one extra boss

[echo geyser]

garrote and rupture or just rupture?

[limber lion]

Both

[echo geyser]

i probably need to make a mouseover for dots

at least rupture

[silent tinsel]

Is it worth rupturing a sire add to refund your energy?

[limber lion]

Yes

[echo geyser]

how much energy do u get for a 4-5cp rupture?

is it more than 100?

[loud trench]

which is weird because as boomie its not worth dotting an extra add for the AP...or so im told, you think it would be the same logic here since its similar

[stoic needle]

boomkins don't get as much dps as we do from multidotting

[echo geyser]

probably cause u can "infinitely" generate AP on boomie with wrath starfire

compared to assa where u have to spend energy to generate cp

[loud trench]

very true

[stoic needle]

multidotting as sin is like a 500 single target dps increase

[echo geyser]

do u play with mouseover on all the dots? @stoic needle

[stoic needle]

i do

[spice spire]

It’s not just about the damage you get from dotting. You also get that sweet sweet energy regen

[stoic needle]

i find it's easier for raids for sure

[spice spire]

For more APM, more damagé

[echo geyser]

yeah tabbing on a boss like council sounds rly bad when they dont take dmg

tabbing doesnt sound as bad in m+

[stoic needle]

trying to click or tab target back to previous targets has never been super reliable for me

yea exactly

[thorny pond]

SLG prog, are we SBSing the Skirms or just rupture?

[stoic needle]

one thing to keep in mind is that mouseovering doesn't apply poisons

so you'll still have to do that somehow

[stoic needle]

i find sbs a better use of a GCD when skirmishers spawn

[silent tinsel]

How much energy per second of rupture is refunded?

[stoic needle]

you can rupture like the last one of the skirmishers to spawn

[thorny pond]

So Goliath and boss + SBS on skirms and rupture one?

FoK and keeps bleeds on primary two, dump CT and Envenoms?

[stoic needle]

what i like to do is garotte and rupture the boss and the goliath right before the skirmishers spawn, and then build cp during the few seconds the skirmishers take to get gathered up so you can hit them all at once with CT. then, if vanish is up, you can vanish into CT on the group, or vanish into envenoms if you are prioing the boss or goliath. sbs on the skirmishers to build, rupture the highest hp skirmisher and envenom your prio target

[gusty mirage]

I know this is late and I’m not sure if it was answered. But yes, same % from normal and heroic bosses. And it’s per boss not per dungeon completion

[thorny pond]

Thank you. I was trying a bunch of different combos and some of the top parses rupture all and skip SBS

but they just get melted before rupture really has a chance to get going

[stoic needle]

i try to approach the skirmisher spawns like i would a shiv window, pooling CP and energy and trying not to spend gcds during that window refreshing bleeds on the boss and goliath and instead applying them to new targets or envenoming them

[limber lion]

Ah okay, good to know.

I tried soloing the first boss of PF on normal but I didn't have it in me :'(

[stoic needle]

i can't say if the strategy i described is better than what the top parses are doing, that's just what i did on prog

[thorny pond]

@limber lion I saw your parse, are you the rupture each skirmisher guy?

[gusty mirage]

Just queue a normal top (more bosses = more %) and do some WQ while you wait =[

[stoic needle]

its probably worse for overall than rupturing everything

[limber lion]

I rupture one in the beginning, then I try to use rupture after applying SBS on everything

So I just do SBS - Rup - SBS - Rup - SBS - Rup pretty much

But that's assuming that the skirmishers don't die in a second

[thorny pond]

Do you only CT once all are in the group or do you start at 1/2

[limber lion]

After they're all there

Pumping on the boss with cooldowns, using CT when the adds are grouped up

Don't think there's a right or wrong of doing things

[stoic needle]

at first I waited until they were all grouped up, but seeing whispyr's new ct optimizations i wonder if you could ct twice

[limber lion]

And everyone does different strats on the boss

[stoic needle]

it might be worth timing how long it takes for them all to gather

if it takes ~6 seconds for them to all gather you could probably get away with 2 ct

[thorny pond]

Our group is like hot mess so sometimes it's 3s sometimes it's 10s

[stoic needle]

ct just does

so much fucking damage

i feel like you can't be going wrong by using it liberally, you know

as long as you arent spamming it every other gcd

another thing is it's a good idea to CT if you get targeted with a mechanic like blades or eruption or right before the upheaval

so you can do more damage while you're moving away from the boss

[thorny pond]

Probably just need to treat it like M+ instead of trying to game it so much

[stoic needle]

it is similar to a m+ scenario in a lot of ways

[thorny pond]

Just wanted some ideas, thank you all

[amber mountain]

Yeah, i like to treat CT as the "Super-Dot". Apply it, keep it up, and unlike FoK use it on single target too

[modest glen]

CT and zoldyck for sire prog?

[amber mountain]

Yes

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert, but I play one on TV

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

!wa

[honest breach]

how can i survive the sire P3 overlap, cloak seems to not work with the massacre 😦

[tropic ocean]

step someone that is in safe spot

or just get knocked into safety works as well

[strange python]

is there a sin rogue m+ guide?

[balmy condor]

ryfie has one

[strange python]

thanks

[spice spire]

If you’re interested https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2Db7rkSIiT56b0PXQPjugZATnyx6aDOflx4oZgVwgs/mobilebasic

[echo geyser]

does assa do more st dmg than outlaw when u play zoldyck CT? etc

oh and subterfuge

basically m+ build

[hollow river]

I think it does more ST no matter what you play lol

[echo geyser]

i see thanks

[spice spire]

Why would you M+ build with ST though? Or do you mean like bosses in an M+ kind of situation?

[echo geyser]

yeah just comparing boss dmg/pride

[hollow river]

That’s what he means prolly

[strange python]

thanks!

[echo geyser]

also was wondering if shiv has prio over CT for ST?

or do u have to get ct up before always

[balmy condor]

shiv always has prio

[nimble tartan]

whispyr i like this new avatar

[echo geyser]

ty

[balmy condor]

thanks

[echo geyser]

ah damn i just noticed most ppl play CT on sire

and some HB

makes sense PB only doing 1.5% for me on the boss itself

how much is CT usually?

[shy dust]

was 9% in my kill many weeks ago

[echo geyser]

on boss itself?

[shy dust]

Overall

[echo geyser]

ah ok

[shy dust]

7% boss dps overal

[echo geyser]

yeah pb 1.9% total lol

[shy dust]

But casting CT means less envenoms

[echo geyser]

i guess its shit with movement

[shy dust]

So it’s not as simple as comparing % damage

[echo geyser]

yeah makes sense

[shy dust]

But still it’s preferred talent for sire

[echo geyser]

it does make doomblade a bit more powerful at least

but yeah u said it

less envenom casts

[shadow pivot]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[echo geyser]

do u even bother using CT on the echos in p1? probably not w orth right unless it lines up for pandemic on boss

seems they die too quick

[slow marsh]

Yes you use CT when they first come out

[simple wadi]

For max pad you can delay master assassin to fok into CT into fok as the first adds come out

[echo geyser]

i guess at this point all that matters in p1 is add dmg cause u have to afk anyways on boss

[silent tinsel]

I wish I could afk on boss

[echo geyser]

also was wondering is it bad to sbs inside the MA window for ST but u already have 2 sbs dots up on adds

or u always just mutilate inside the MA for generator

[pine owl]

Question

Wowhead says to craft Zoldyck Crit/Haste, but it also says Crit/Mastery is better in M+

Or do I just craft it with C/H?

[echo geyser]

if u gonna raid just do c h

if u only m+ then i guess C M

[unkempt ginkgo]

Is necro the move in 9.1 raid

[gusty mirage]

Most likely because most of the fights have some sort of adds involved

[subtle gyro]

so all that went Venth are going to have to swtich and grind yet again.....

[cedar star]

I swapped from venth yesterday

I’m renown 12

I have done zero campaign

It goes really fast

[subtle gyro]

im over the campaigns honestly

i have not looked at necro at all really, is it decent at the start, or do u need a whole soulbind to good?

[gusty mirage]

Whole soulbind helps a lot

Heimir is really strong because of gemstones

[wild lion]

best sire kill all dead :)

[balmy condor]

Emeni is okay

But that requires some campaign

[stoic needle]

always mut or fok inside of ma

[stoic needle]

i like to vanish right as you get hit with cleansing pain, then envenom out of stealth in the split second you have between cleansing pain impact and the adds actually being attackable, then fok ct fok envenom

if you get lucky with crits you can ct and envenom sire twice in the ma window

for the ones after the first you can do a similar thing but minus the vanish envenom, just waiting until the adds spawn and immediately ct

[misty zenith]

Any of you guys know whats going wrong with uploading logs when it is stuck at Processing ranks

[balmy condor]

I wanna say it’s processing ranks

But probably a question better suited for the WCL discord

[limber lion]

It's probably processing ranks, but that's just a wild guess

[stoic needle]

[silent fossil]

some of our logs got scuffed lastnight and some of the bosses were showing up 2-3 times and had weird processing things on them

[atomic violet]

Seeking advice. Opened weekly chest, contained therein for choices is 220 Dreadfire and the 213 weapon Spherule... I have a 220 MH Weap and a 207 OH Weap... which should I choose from the chest? The trink or the weapon?

[tulip nacelle]

sim it

[woven prairie]

I'd pick the trinket, u can just farm a 210 wep and upgrade it to 220

[silent fossil]

@limber lion teach me how to ST better

[limber lion]

Tomorrow, now we sleep.

[silent fossil]

o tru eu

[balmy condor]

[silent tinsel]

idk, Im debating CT or PB on sire

I hate CCT cause it feels like spinning plates

[balmy condor]

Then don’t play it

[outer furnace]

is assa rogue any good for hc raiding ?

[dawn ivy]

its great

[outer furnace]

i am thinking to main a rogue but unsure with spec to level as

[odd hazel]

Sin is one of the top melee specs

Sub is looking good too!

[dawn ivy]

sub i think is the best leveling spec

[odd hazel]

Outlaw is doing outlaw things

[dawn ivy]

constant shadowstrike/shadow step mobility and constant regen from dance

[odd hazel]

If only sub was good in raids back in tbc

I’m hype to try sub though in 9.1

[outer furnace]

so i should level as assa ?

Reeeeeeeee

how do i remove streamer on my name

i miss clicked

[stoic needle]

type !streamer in #bot-spam

you should level as sub

sin sucks while leveling

[odd hazel]

Go back to mastery osh

Or get your 226 gloves already.

Or advertise sub for 9.1

[stoic needle]

why the tox

[odd hazel]

[outer furnace]

how hard is it to learn assa when i ding 60 with my rogue ?

for raiding

[dawn ivy]

its a very low skill floor

getting better at it has a pretty simple learning curve with all the rescources and helpful people in this discord and other sources

we'll be here to log review and ask simple questions when you get there

[burnt star]

Low skill floor. But at the same time. High brain power

[balmy condor]

The biggest, smoothest brains

[odd hazel]

There’s some minor things that need some brain power but mainly just getting CP usage right, Maintaining CDs correctly and keeping bleeds rolling

[outer furnace]

so for herlooms stats for armor trinket and amulet

it dosnt matter ?

for any spec for leveling

[stoic needle]

just get anything with agi

secondaries don't matter while leveling

[pale fossil]

[teal bloom]

Bonespike feels so powerful in M+, +2d Theater of pain 😄 6 more to go till keystone master

[pale fossil]

Bonespike is great. It's a really fun, impactful ability.

[teal bloom]

Yeah I remember hating it while leveling because it did nothing

9.05 buffs were

[wise fiber]

Quick question. on Council Mythic. you use fov on 4 targets ?

[silent tinsel]

How much energy do you get per second when a rupture target dies?

[echo geyser]

u get it all back insta but i dont know the number

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

It depends on the duration remaining

You get the energy back that the rupture would have given you had the target not died

So if you had 5 ticks left, would get back 40

[nimble tartan]

how many targets for ct spam to be worth?

[balmy condor]

We don’t spam ct

[nimble tartan]

not even if its 30 targets?!

[balmy condor]

Should say I think that’s how it works, not sure

[mortal pike]

For primarily raiding is venthyr still seeming like the general consensus after raid testing? for 9.1 that is

[balmy condor]

Well we don’t consider anything higher than 8, since it’s capped

[nimble tartan]

oh ok

[balmy condor]

But even on that many, no

[nimble tartan]

thats why sometimes sire doesnt get ct on him.. hehe

[icy crater]

what talents yall running for sire?

[balmy condor]

Necro seems to be worth more for cleave, but venthyr is probably still fine

[mortal pike]

I'm necro currently on my rogue, swapping going into next tier

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t

[mortal pike]

Trying to decide what to do 🤔

no?

[balmy condor]

But if that’s what you wanna do

[mortal pike]

Rogues looking decent no?

[balmy condor]

Looking fine

[wise fiber]

we getting any love for 9.1 ?

[balmy condor]

Sub got buffed, deathspike is good, obedience on sub is good

[mortal pike]

Im just tired of being a warrior rofl

[wise fiber]

I was Sub Main. ll they be on par with assa on raid? would be fun to play it again

[balmy condor]

If you’re venthyr it’s looking slightly above sin

If you’re not

It’s okay

[wise fiber]

Thanks Whispyr. like always a fountain of information.

[dawn ivy]

wait venthyr sub is simming above sin?

[balmy condor]

I’m so wet

[balmy condor]

Obedience kinda good

It’s pretty close at least

Last I checked it was a little higher

Obedience is bugged though

So

[dawn ivy]

hows it still bugged?

thought it was fine now

[balmy condor]

If it goes live being bugged, might be worse, if it gets fixed, it might be better

The vers is 12 seconds

It doesn’t linger like the haste

[dawn ivy]

oh so that is considered a bug then cool

[balmy condor]

We consider it a bug

[mortal pike]

From raiding testing overall what classes are looking top tier? Havent seen many logs from the tests

[odd hazel]

to soon to tell tbh

[nimble tartan]

boomie

[halcyon zealot]

wait @balmy condor by how much is Sub beating Sin atm in your sims (both venthyr)

[balmy condor]

Like 100-150

Not much

[odd hazel]

how is sub doing in cleave/etc though?

[balmy condor]

I’m not making anything public atm cause soulbinds aren’t in, etc

[balmy condor]

Awful, as expected

[odd hazel]

interesting, still good to see sub doing better

[halcyon zealot]

okay was thinking it would be like that, Assa still more than viable especially when you take movement into account and how much sub loses from downtime

[dawn ivy]

im most excited to see shadow blades being a low CD

[balmy condor]

Im not sure that's too much of an argument these days

[balmy condor]

why would shadow blades be a low CD

[hollow river]

I was going to ask this as well

[halcyon zealot]

is it not? i honestly haven’t specced sub since assa became viable , guess it’s time to lurk sub again

[low girder]

the argument is more that sin also loses a shitton from downtime

[odd hazel]

sin doesnt though

[low girder]

it does

[odd hazel]

sure it loses quite a bit but the majority of our damage are Bleeds

[low girder]

no

bleeds are like 20% of our raid damage

[balmy condor]

sin loses a considerably large amount of damage

with downtime

[odd hazel]

i've never noticed THAT big of a difference.

[balmy condor]

just cause it's better

doesn't mean it's really that great

[dawn ivy]

does sub not run stilletto

making SB like sub 2 min cd

[low girder]

it might in 9.1

still undecided iirc

[balmy condor]

I don't think it would

but I could be wrong

[low girder]

that's something that'll come up later probably

[balmy condor]

with triple potency I can see it

but with double

maybe not

[low girder]

when we actually get a date

yeah with double, def not

[odd hazel]

next year inc

[low girder]

also for reference, here's a destroyer kill

very little of that is done on downtime

top deadly poison is the instant procs

[balmy condor]

9.5+8.6+5.2

what is that

like 23%?

[low girder]

yeah

also i cut off my one PK throw during the second consume

lol