As long as you ONLY use Wowanalyzer for HD
#assassination
limber lion
violet hemlock
Its mainly so the people who do nothing atleast do something
alpine latch
Naw, WA is fine for the basics. It's not going to make you the best player in the world, but it's going to help you fix the basics.
limber lion
The robot doesn't understand what you want to do on the encounters
It's programmed to say "shiv on cd" which won't be happening on Sire when you get pulled and thrown around
violet hemlock
this is what I mainly use it for
limber lion
Or on Sludge where you want to hold Shiv
balmy condor
there's just no one programming WA to account for things
limber lion
Ye. It's very barebones
balmy condor
it could technically handle everything
and be a great tool
but no one can be asked to maintain it
it's an insane amount of work
limber lion
I heard Whispyr wants to take hold of it
balmy condor
I heard that I'll beat your ass
limber lion
spice spire
I too heard whispyr wants the project
alpine latch
Not only is it an insane amount of work to do, but it's something that is thankless as fuck
I'd have to re-look at the code, but you'd have to rebuild it to monitor a ton of shit
limber lion
This is legit the page that opens up when you try to open an assassination log
violet hemlock
any rogue spec
limber lion
If you have to press a small button that says "I want to continue anyway"
it's not a good thing
balmy condor
Tyndi was in here a couple months ago saying they’ll update it
The CF’s gave a list of things that are wrong
But uh
dawn ivy
not recommending noxxic
balmy condor
Nothing yet I guess
dawn ivy
kinda biased tbh
violet hemlock
for outlaw it still has Grand Melee as one of the best rolls u want 😄
limber lion
Oh damn it guys, I overcapped my resources quite a bit :(
violet hemlock
lol
spice spire
Oh damn it guys, I overcapped my resources quite a bit :(
I heard in AoE it’s a gain 
sonic schooner
Wowanalyzer told me that I was capping too much on energy... on shriekwing 
spice spire
That’s not true btw
balmy condor
Always knew cev was a shitter
slow marsh
Wait requiring wow analyzer?
alpine latch
Wowanalyzer told me that I was capping too much on energy... on shriekwing <:OME...
l2fanofknives... Stop being bad kid
limber lion
violet hemlock
I was told on an slg log where I was told by raid lead to stop hitting thingss that I have too much downtime
spice spire
Poisoned knife gamers
sonic schooner
Rogues are casters. Very true
low girder
wowanalyzer in nya would tell you that you refreshed garrote and rupture too much
violet hemlock
lol
low girder
when playing correctly
slow marsh
Yikes
violet hemlock
When playing shrouded lol
limber lion
sbs kinda nutty
sonic schooner
Some nice numbers
spice spire
Huge if true
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
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lament aurora
!wa
balmy condor
sbs kinda nutty
You missed 4 cp king
slow marsh
Benched
limber lion
Pain.
violet hemlock
So is the new necro leggo enough for ass to wanna go necro in aoe?
fallen arch
You’re fading
slow marsh
Wow analyzer said to bench you so
balmy condor
So is the new necro leggo enough for ass to wanna go necro in aoe?
We wanna go necro even without the lego
slow marsh
Sin already goes necro
sonic schooner
Wowanalyzer always correct
balmy condor
But the lego makes it better
limber lion
Deathspike 
slow marsh
That's how they're nerfing theotar, by buffing sbs cleave
violet hemlock
But mah flag.... 😦
slow marsh
Trust you won't care about flag when you're throwing femurs at bdsm monsters
sonic schooner
I would stay venthyr just for the back mog
violet hemlock
Nah I need more reason to not go necro as its already goo to for outlaw
sonic schooner
And for pvp
slow marsh
Do what you want, just don't go kyrian
balmy condor
Or flex on everyone and pop off on kyrian
violet hemlock
Also the healer I do keys with is rerolling from a necro shaman to a venth paly
slow marsh
Or tru
hollow dirge
I would stay venthyr just for the back mog
You can mog during the time you’re venthyr , and keep it as necro. That said, you can’t mog it back on if you lose it 😂
balmy condor
Imagine top log is a kyrian rogue
All they needed was 15 PI’s, 9 fairies, 6 banners, and good rng
slow marsh
My guild leader was doing raid as kyrian disc all the way up until slg
balmy condor
Ez
sonic schooner
That's what every sin should have at every pull tbh
Don't know why ppl don't buff us and instead buff their own slow butt
😔
slow marsh
What about kyrian leggo as sub full stacking cri mastery?
balmy condor
get out
slow marsh
That's some real Osh shit right there
limber lion
Sorry what did the Kyrian lego do again? I forgot because it was so shit
limber swallow
anima charges 4 combo points
balmy condor
it makes the bad minigame worse
slow marsh
Charge all cps I think
limber swallow
because... 4
limber lion
lit
violet hemlock
just needed to nerf Deeperstrat
Hey my best sin log on hungering has 30% garrote uptime!!!!
for normal
pure moth
You may want to work on that 😛
violet hemlock
To work on it Id actually have to run normal
slow marsh
All my normal runs were like 2-3k dps grey parses as sub until I did achiev run the other night
icy dock
since when is crimson tempest worth st ?
balmy condor
since it got buffed in beta
limber lion
Long time buddy
stoic needle
That's some real Osh shit right there
icy dock
so if u spec it in m+ u just keep it up like garrot and rupture
limber lion
Yes, outside of Shiv windows.
icy dock
how big is the difference from poison bomb to CT in st
limber lion
Depends on a lot of things
icy dock
with zoldyck
grand ridge
I'm kinda on the same boat
limber lion
You can still sim even if you never touch the game.
grand ridge
I'll come back for 9.1
balmy condor
it's really close with venth and zold
icy dock
how do you sim without a character just take someones armor y?
or are there premade character templates
balmy condor
yes to both
velvet escarp
Yes, outside of Shiv windows.
does this also apply to Garrote/Rupture on other targets that aren't the shiv target?
copper sundial
ugh 226 decanter simming higher than 226 skulkers paired with IQD do i really want a decanter :/ sims higher than 226 anima battery too.
both for dungeon slice and patchwerk
balmy condor
does this also apply to Garrote/Rupture on other targets that aren't the shiv ta...
you multi-dot even in shiv
you would throw out the shiv and then dot
that's prio
velvet escarp
thank you
limber lion
See, CT is only damage but Rupture/Garrote are big damage and energy in one
violet hemlock
ct doesnt give energy?
velvet escarp
That makes sense, forgot about venemous vim
violet hemlock
I was under the impression it did wow interesting
limber lion
It does not.
slow marsh
imagine
violet hemlock
Ooh I swear I remember the tooltip for venemous reading all bleeds
plain thistle
dont believe tooltips
violet hemlock
it doesnt
dawn ivy
specifically garrote/rupture
violet hemlock
the tooltip says the spells
plain thistle
yeah, but even if it does, dont believe it
violet hemlock
it says garrote rupture and internal
dawn ivy
CT would be unbelievably busted
plain thistle
tropic ocean
it wasnt either
dawn ivy
nope haha
plain thistle
it wasnt, wow tooltips is not something reliable
violet hemlock
the tooltip said all blees back then tho
dawn ivy
if it gave energy it would still be worth even if it did no initial damage
violet hemlock
also is snap rupturing things that are about to die worthwhile?
hollow river
Just curious, what do we lose from refreshing CT in shiv window?
dawn ivy
@hollow river prio envenom damage on the shiv target
tropic ocean
if it gave energy it would still be worth even if it did no initial damage
imagine sustaining energy on mt with 1 button
hollow river
But we shiv even when refreshing other bleeds in aoe
stoic needle
Just curious, what do we lose from refreshing CT in shiv window?
damage
yes because a shiv in aoe is not very important, but a shiv in st is important
violet hemlock
does ct count for doomblade?
dawn ivy
yes
violet hemlock
aah
stoic needle
in ST you can't afford to have bleeds drop off at all, that's why you refresh bleeds during shiv
hollow river
Lmao
grand ridge
Man if ct gave energy aoe would be rediculous. So much energy capping
stoic needle
dawn ivy
its just the most fleshed out and supported mmo
grand ridge
It helps to practice on the dummies
limber lion
It's also been out the longest and actively developed on
echo cargo
This is by far the most conplicated game I’ve ever seen
Now try PoE
limber lion
Adding layers on top of layers on top of layers
grand ridge
Even with aoe, just try juggling ruptures, garrotes, ct
Maybe weave in an envenom if you are feeling spicy
See what gets you the most deeps
hollow river
Even with aoe, just try juggling ruptures, garrotes, ct
Don’t forget snd
dawn ivy
no, forget snd just remind yourself to envenom every couple of finishers
limber lion
I mean SnD is just another maintenance buff in aoe
But instead of pressing SnD, you press Envenom
Rupture dropping soon? Press rupture
Garrote dropping soon? Press garrote
SnD dropping soon? Press envenom
hollow river
I tried to play 1 dungeon as outlaw after playing sim for a little while
limber lion
Was it awful
hollow river
And had to actually press SnD. And said NOPE BYE
limber lion
But then again sometimes Outlaws can get like 4 minute SnD's
hollow river
Kept forgetting
grand ridge
I dislike roll the bones
hollow river
My max was over 1 minute
dawn ivy
outlaw doesnt play like it did in bfa i cant stand it all, i thought bfa version was bad but boy was i wrong
even playing outlaw correctly doesnt feel correct
hollow river
If garrote had no CD we would slap so hard
thorny pond
If my mom was my dad I'd have 2 Dads lol
balmy condor
idk bout that one
hollow river
even playing outlaw correctly doesnt feel correct
It feels like shite
balmy condor
garrote isn't actually THAT strong
hollow river
It would feel better
balmy condor
would it?
hollow river
To me yeah
cerulean nest
if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike
balmy condor
I feel like that's just subterfuge
you can do 4 garrotes from stealth from subterfuge
hollow river
I do
balmy condor
and then you're already pretty much saturated
hollow river
But refreshes feel bad to me idk
balmy condor
spice spire
Night Cev 
hollow river
So im@assuming on mythic inerva our immunity just negate the red circles and impact of the spell and not the ad itself.
Also makes the ad spawn early
plain thistle
you dont get add if you pre immune it
spice spire
^
polar cape
Then your padder get mad
outer lodge
I have been using the 'nightly' sim for my character. Between yesterday and today its showing a -50 overall dps on my sim w/o any gear changes?
stoic needle
probably the windfury fix
stoic needle
windfury rank 2 doesn't apply to people in the shaman's party
so windfury chance is 10% instead of 20%
outer lodge
looks like its wanting me to add more haste probably to accomodate that
dawn ivy
punctuation week for ptr is poggers
outer lodge
Buffs don't change our stat priorities
Idk, doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. But today its wanting me to swap 3 heavy haste pieces in when it didn't yesterday. 
meager iron
why do some fights favor EP and Vigor over Blindside and Deeper Stratagem
odd hazel
shouldnt have changed your stat values, if it effected that its very minor.
odd hazel
why do some fights favor EP and Vigor over Blindside and Deeper Stratagem
Which fights are you talking about? usually thigns favor EP/Vigor for parsing or just because of things like Sire adds P1/Huntsman benefit a lot more off of them
BS/DS are mostly ST
meager iron
shriekwing for example
balmy condor
BURSHT
meager iron
I always run ep and vigor but running bs and ds is more favorable it seems
mostly because running vigor feels more smooth
odd hazel
as in, you're running EP/VIGOR for shriek?
meager iron
yeah, im kinda trolling. i dont know the reasoning between running one or the other
i parse 90. but trying to get 95+
odd hazel
people run EP mainly for things like adds/etc. but on some fights like sludge it feels a LOT better then BS/DS but is barely behind BS/DS so people use what feels better
Vigor also is the same reason
@balmy condor can prob explain a bit better then i.
carmine token
Whisp why is your pfp such a cute animu girl. On another note, anyone in chat do like +18-+20's as 'sin? I switched to necro, but still grinding renown and story to get to unlock the last soulbind. I'm just curious how much raw damage you average in m+. If I'm a bit better, i think 5.5k (with pots) seems easy at 220 ilvl, and was thinking the next soulbind will likely be another 200dps at least, but that doesnt seem enough for 18s let alone 20s. I did some 16s last week and timed them easily but just wondering if a) any higher key advice , and/or b) show me your sims if you do keys that high so i can compare possible damage output
stoic needle
going from emeni to heirmir is more like 80-100 dps
balmy condor
Whisp why is your pfp such a cute animu girl. On another note, anyone in chat do...
- because I bought it with money
- I run 18's
- I average like 6.5-7k
stoic needle
to do more damage than that it's a matter of improving your dot uptime and not dying
carmine token
i dont have second potency slot unlocked yet for emeni which may have aschewed my sims a bit
balmy condor
224-225ish yeh
carmine token
Is that 6.5 - 7k with potting on cd?
balmy condor
nah
carmine token
just getting an idea
balmy condor
I never pot m+
carmine token
okay cool
odd hazel
I never pot m+
stoic needle
ilvl and soulbinds aren't gonna give you 2000 dps though
carmine token
so at 220, doing like 5.5k seems okayish, that extra 5 ilvls and main stat will bump me up a bit, and a small increase to heirmir, but still a lot of basics to iron out too
stoic needle
you could do 6k+ with what you have available
carmine token
balmy condor
yeah I'd agree with osh for once
stoic needle
yeah I'd agree with osh for once
balmy condor
<a:What:585739278987034647>
don't need to pot for a shitty 19
stoic needle
don't need to pot for a shitty 19
but big number...
unreal glen
Random but semi related question. Do parse numbers in M+ matter?
balmy condor
not even a little
carmine token
nah, most logs arent even uploaded
unreal glen
i mean, if you time it. and you did well
Valid. Honestly wasn't sure.
carmine token
im a pretty shit assassin, and this makes it seem like im decent
carmine token
i hate top with a passion, did a 15 on hunter and havnt been back in there since
unreal glen
Yeah like I just randomly checked and I parsed a 76 in a 13 NW
Felt good but thats why I was asking
unreal glen
Gotchya
balmy condor
m+ logs are entirely based on the level and speed I think
idk entirely what they are
carmine token
kill times very so much, so you could have fast speed and higher number
stoic needle
you can sort by damage
stoic needle
but it's still not very useful information
compact pumice
Like I gotta say, parses never mean anything, it's just to compare yourself with others. If that's something you want to do in keys then by all means, it's not useless for that
stoic needle
m+ logs are good to see mistakes you are making by actually analyzing them, but not good for trying to judge overall perfomance
balmy condor
^
unreal glen
Aight so stick to using Raid Parses to improve performance
odd hazel
you could use M+ logs, just dont look at the parses
compact pumice
Nah, you can improve performance with logging for all content
But check interrupts etc
More important stuff
as a rogue esp
carmine token
reviewing your logs matters more than that % number
or where you fit in the dps pecking order
unreal glen
This all helps and Im glad I asked what I thought was a stupid question lol
compact pumice
But if you see other rogues doing the same keys and the same pulls doing more damage then you can see if you're using less CD's than them for example
unreal glen
But if you see other rogues doing the same keys and the same pulls doing more da...
Just to purely compare. Ok
carmine token
a question occurred to me, what's the best usage to get out of vanish in m+ if youre running zold and subterfuge?
unreal glen
Wouldn't have guessed that so good to know
compact pumice
a question occurred to me, what's the best usage to get out of vanish in m+ if y...
vanish > 3x garrote
unreal glen
^
compact pumice
reapply
unreal glen
Typically if Im seeing a tank go to pull 6+ mobs Ill apply 3x powered garrote, apply 4th garrote and then wait till off cd to vanish and apply 3x more powered garrote
Remove the 4th non powered garrote if only 6 mobs
compact pumice
FOK should prob have higher prio than that 4th garrote so you can do a CT asap
unreal glen
So then ideally 3x garrote, into FOK, into CT, Vanish then 3x garrote?
unreal glen
Since we're on it.
After that opener I'd then make use of FOK to apply Rup to 4+ targets
compact pumice
but I haven't checked tbh
unreal glen
Ideally 2-3 points per rup
compact pumice
Basically Rup when not CTing and then swap to envenom when all rups are up OR mobs are pretty close to dying
unreal glen
I feel as if anymore than 2-3 points would be wasted, situational dependent
outer lodge
venth favors crit more then haste
I'm Necro sorry, just swapped from Venthyr
unreal glen
Honestly that's what I thought.
spice spire
Toxic 
balmy condor
I'm gonna doubt that and look into it
compact pumice
Crit becomes the best stat after you have a lot of haste, maybe that's what he means?
spice spire
It changed my stat weights by swapping covenant if it means anything to you, whisp
Venthyr does make your stat priority drop per sims
Compared to bone boys at least
compact pumice
spice spire
It also reflected in top gear haha. Higher crit pieces were insanely favored compared to now
outer lodge
because of the flag haste with venthyr it favors more crit i thought
unreal glen
because of the flag haste with venthyr it favors more crit i thought
This is also what I thought
spice spire
Like stuff that was an upgrade by 0.2% or more that had vers or mastery on top of crit are now dps losses or equivalent
It’s more complicated than that - I also had 740+ haste iirc
balmy condor
I would think crit devalue from gemstone + nadjia haste would be the deciding factor
but flag multiplies your haste
which is technically a boost to haste
but I guess going from venth to necro is indeed less crit more haste
TIL
spice spire
We taught him something gamers, we did it
compact pumice
compact pumice
2 cool 2 care
spice spire
yeah some stat weight shit Idc bout
Fucking got us 
balmy condor
no
stoic needle
wdym
yes we are
your spells and abilities having a high chance to do something amazing? huge
that's gotta be at least 500 dps
slender berry
basically they balance around sylvanas dagger and then you dont get it , trust me thats gonna happen
full pessimism
gusty mirage
Balance? Blizzard? 
They’ll let it be busted and just tweak us down for no reason in 9.2
potent rune
you mean 1 week after
gusty mirage
Blizz never balances things in less than a semi major patch unless it makes people cry in pvp
potent rune
people will cry in pvp they always do
gusty mirage
Truuuuuu
stoic needle
Blizz never balances things in less than a semi major patch unless it makes peop...
yeah that's why CTTC was only a 50 dps increase
gusty mirage
I will admit though, blizz has been more active this expac
odd hazel
i mean, they certainly get better at things every expansion
not a lot of things
but
things
its just gotta be hard trying to balance 12 specs + who knows how many items
stoic needle
their job is definitely not easy
especially with how shitty the community is towards them
odd hazel
the WoW community is never happy tbh
which is why i dont listen whwen people say they should listen to the community
because
half the time its non-sense
or personal opinions
muted ridge
Dunno if anyone posted it here, but Sylv dagger will have special effect 
spice spire
Crit haste GAMER dagger
rose narwhal
Saw the sword from KT had new text too, maybe we'll see more
odd hazel
good to see not only hunters are getting something
compact pumice
I will admit though, blizz has been more active this expac
they have a lot of spare time I guess, what with saving 9.1 for so long
dawn ivy
yeah theyll be releasing tier sets next week
plush delta
sorry if this is in pins somewhere
compact pumice
basically they balance around sylvanas dagger and then you dont get it , trust m...
I don't think they always do tbh, classes with some combination of gear that are unique or only available to some classes have been OP for far too many times
plush delta
but if we are plying subterfuge, should we mut from stealth or ambush
compact pumice
but if we are plying subterfuge, should we mut from stealth or ambush
I thought you would say Garrote since that's usually what you do
But yeah Garrote from stealth, up to 3x if there is 3 targets, then muti as normal
Only use ambush from Blindside procs
compact pumice
ya
compact pumice
no ambush
plush delta
thx
alpine latch
Ugh .. Do I pick up another 20 DPS by taking a second on-use trinket? Or go for the on-equip and not worry.
drifting cosmos
laziness is the way
halcyon zealot
I personally don’t like having 2 on use trinkets, i like the feel of atleast 1 static trinket more
alpine latch
Yeah, I hate two on use
halcyon zealot
gonna come down to preference for something that’s pretty much a side grade like that
alpine latch
I got a 223 Shadowgrasp and a 220 Decanter to pick from
Shadowgrasp is a ~200 ST DPS increase (I lose 8 DPS by not going Shadowgrasp/Dreadfire and sticking with my Hateful Chain). Decanter/Dreadfire is a ~200 DPS increase for aoe
compact pumice
you use a Phial in one slot anyway 😛
compact pumice
who needs sanity when you have phial ❤️
gloomy knoll
no phial gang vessel and chain 
fuck box luck 
compact pumice
who non on use that are good are hateful chain and a 233 Stone Legion Heraldry
hollow river
So a lot of us are using vessel chain, eh?
gloomy knoll
stone legion trinket is pretty meh
alpine latch
I get rejected from like 400 dungeons for every one I get in
hollow river
I’m gonna try pushing closer to KSM this week..
alpine latch
It's like high school all over again
harsh anchor
Am I missing any logic to craft Zoldyck on gloves so I can easily swap between that and doomblade? Or is the recommendation of Leg/Feet craft bigger brain than I think
gusty mirage
legs give more stats than boots
das aboot it
can't craft zold on anything except legs or boots
harsh anchor
Oh there it is. Right right. Thanks. Forgot about that
gusty mirage
np 
alpine latch
Also, you may not want Zolds in 9.1 if you're Necro
So it might make sense to hold out on that
kindred crescent
as a venthyr assas rogue is there a sweet spot for haste that people find most comfortable
i am rocking 33 % crit 17% haste
gusty mirage
nah don't worry too much about secondaries
33% crit and 17% haste seems like a good set-up 🙂
gusty mirage
just top-gear sim when you get new pieces and you'll be good to go
odd hazel
i have 30% crit and 23% haste, seems its just...randomish what people want honestly.
dawn ivy
its just agi
gusty mirage
yeah secondary stat weights can fluctuate rapidly, so I just make sure to top gear any new pieces
dawn ivy
you put on whatever item you get that has higher ilvl most of the time
rings/neck only exception
gusty mirage
more agi = usually the answer
odd hazel
yeah, usually you dont worry about secondarys until you're pretty high ilvl
dawn ivy
its why i run 31.2% haste and 20% crit
odd hazel
i am 219 and hav ebeen told that 23% is a lot of haste for that ilvl.
odd hazel
like
90% of my peices are crit haste, my wrist/belt are haste/vers, and helm is haste mastery
lethal magnet
is shadowgrasp totem bugged on simc? seems to be simming way higher than it should on pathchwerk
rose narwhal
Also, you may not want Zolds in 9.1 if you're Necro
Which one is looking good for necro?
odd hazel
Which one is looking good for necro?
the new leggo for necro
rose narwhal
not for ST right
gusty mirage
Seli knew all along
for ST you'd still want doomblade (unless these new dominion gems really change things up)
domination gems
odd hazel
then we go dashing
gusty mirage
whatever the hell they're called lmao
rose narwhal
Yeah cool, necro looks fun
odd hazel
but in reality, the smart move would be to go necro
because raid seems to be more add/multi-target heavy
what slots can you craft that deathspike leggo on?
odd hazel
oooo
maybe necro becomes meta
and we go wrists
but, we might as well go outlaw if thats the case sadly
amber mountain
?! why would you go outlaw if you could be 'sin?
compact pumice
tbh, opening to BF and then going Vanish + KS into a new BF + 3x SBS + dispatch is just so much damage 
compact pumice
stoic needle
odd hazel
<:ResidentSleeper:834889157959483413>
dont you have 226 gloves to get
stoic needle
dont you have 226 gloves to get
odd hazel
<:weirdge:846204589165641750>
dusty frost
Necro leggo seems strong, pretty Sure it will get nerfed, right?
odd hazel
i mean
its not like ground breaking
but i think it needs something done to it atleast
tulip nacelle
I don't think it's getting nerfed, at least not before hitting live
odd hazel
i think if they just got rid of the extra charges it would be fine
dusty frost
Well if this goes live mutilate will probably say good bye in m+ cause we will just spam necro ability
gusty mirage
the only "busted" thing about deathspike rn is that the cleave spikes damage flurry
odd hazel
i think a fair nerf would just get rid of the extra charges
stoic needle
I think you would use sbs quite a bit more with the extra charges and damage
stoic needle
If anything you'd fok less
odd hazel
unless you're getting that many resets
stoic needle
Once everything is all implemented on raidbots I'm gonna play around with the apl
odd hazel
inb4 mastery meta :^)
tbh i kind of like mastery heavy classes
what would make mastery sky rocket honestly?
compact pumice
Some people are saying later tiers will have melee be a lot less of the overall damage due to scaling. Mastery would boost more of the overall damage then, it might gain value somewhat then.
balmy condor
deathspike isn't really that impressive in terms of playstyle for sin
compact pumice
Isn't it just more busted for Outlaw? due to BF
balmy condor
yeh
I did a like 1 hour pass-over for SBS usage
just out of curiosity
and it seems like the current APL handles it just fine
spread to targets with no dots, don't overcap, sniping is even implemented
koji's last sbs optimizations were pretty thorough from what I can tell
halcyon zealot
is there any real logic on why IQD gives you the stat it does? like numerically my crit and vers are my 2 highest, and tonight im just getting haste basically on CD, while having like 60ish less than my crit and/or vers
like theres no real way to FORCE a stat is there
halcyon zealot
i mean im venthyr
compact pumice
I thought I was crazy getting Mastery IQD but turns out it was just Theotar tea proc
halcyon zealot
so i guess thrill seeker
compact pumice
Do you have a weakaura that predicts it?
That way you can see when haste is your highest and check why
Dunno if it works off Thrill Seeker
Since it gives haste % right and not rating?
halcyon zealot
yeah, it usually is accurate on my 2nd use in a fight (talking about M sire here), but the WA seems to not work on my initial use on pull, like it always just says its gonna give me crit
then i get either crit vers, and now tonight haste a lot lol
compact pumice
Checked logs? See what buffs you have etc
halcyon zealot
Since it gives haste % right and not rating?
yeah, its %
this is why i wish i never looted this damn trinket, made it until like 3 weeks ago without it just fine >.>
halcyon zealot
ya it is, im not saying im mad about it
just trying to figure out why im getting haste
compact pumice
Yeah I get ya
Just check buffs on logs would be my suggestion
or if it happens while soling
just try to check whatever is happening when the weakaura tells you it can give you haste
compact pumice
crystal gust
Does CT restores energy from Venomous Wounds?
compact pumice
One fok+CT would be full energy all the time
at least we get VW, Feral has nothing like that, just loads of downtime
granite thistle
Mythic Raiding. Do I save flag for Vendetta, or use on CD
ruby birch
havent even got a drop yet, if i get a dagger im uninstalling
compact pumice
Mythic Raiding. Do I save flag for Vendetta, or use on CD
generally use on CD, you can save last Flag for vendetta if it doesn't mean you'll lose one cast though
compact pumice
np
rapid stratus
If youre vendettaing evershade do you bother dotting sire/remor or just bust into her?
compact pumice
You will do even more damage to the primary target if you have dots up due to energy, and since all that damage is useful it's just a very big plain DPS increase overall, but I have no real experience of that exact situation so can't advise beyond that.
halcyon zealot
If youre vendettaing evershade do you bother dotting sire/remor or just bust int...
i never let bleeds drop off sire or remornia in p2, and i vendetta evershade, i prio his bleeds while hes alive (15-20 seconds), but keep others up if i can
rapid stratus
Do you have a log, it doesnt feel like i have enough GCDs to keep them dotted and use vendetta flag there on evershade
cobalt pelican
just put your dots up on remornia and sire before you gate and the last few gcds before the frontal
shouldn't need to be refreshed till he's long dead
halcyon zealot
since youre there for boss dam primarily as assa, def keep bleed on sire; if you lose a few seconds on remornia its not the end of the world. Im still progging, i can dm u a link but by no means is it the perfect way to be playing it
hollow river
43% mastery
cobalt pelican
4 str 4 stam leather belt
alpine latch
Hell yeah... My first ever 6k+ sim
smoky widget
Does anyone know if regarding sire fight and maintaining dots on remornia whether during massacre line, impale slashing and when remornia returns to sire if they keep ticking and if it worth refreshing before these go out. Thanks to who might know this
balmy condor
they keep ticking
fleet anchor
Finally broke 10k on Mythic Huntsman 😄 
void pecan
Wow
static acorn
Hey couple questions, on M Council prog: Is multidotting one of the other council members for extra energy gen a ST increase worth doing, and is using FoK with a bunch of waiters around a ST increase?
Just not sure if its worth getting the extra energy or if the dots going into an off-target aren't worth the casts into main target that you lose. Also not sure if FoK ever out-generates Mut in a way that makes you get more dps via more finishers (I assume not since I'm using Doomblade, not sure if another legendary can fit the niche of council funnel ST any better that would cause FoK to be relevant)
fleet anchor
Hey couple questions, on M Council prog: Is multidotting one of the other counci...
Yes, until such a point where you have 35 Energy/sec regen from either Haste sources or DoT ticks generation
hollow river
tried out DS for the first time tonight, if you get a BS proc at 4 CP but you know ambush will give you 3CP do you spend 4CP then ambush?
or ambush and overcap 1? or try to squeeze another mut, spend 6CP, then ambush
you technically ignore the extra CP proc is what i feel like it the answer but i could be remembering incorrectyl
balmy condor
tried out DS for the first time tonight, if you get a BS proc at 4 CP but you kn...
if you're at 4 you generate
if you have a BS proc, you use that in place of your next mutilate
hollow river
Thought so
Was trying to get used to BS on the fly and I didn’t think 4 would be right
17K crit envenoms>4K and an extra CP
static acorn
Yes, until such a point where you have 35 Energy/sec regen from either Haste sou...
I see. And what about the FoK thing, any value to that if my waiter damage doesn't matter? (have enough boomkins and other misc aoe that my dmg to them is essentially negligible)
solid wyvern
Does the Celerity legendary work for Assassination?
low girder
it does not
solid wyvern
boo
static acorn
Idk why it doesn't either, like other classes have legendaries that allow cross-use while categorized as only one iirc
would be dope if it did
low girder
it did at one point in beta and it was pretty far and away sin's best legendary
that's probably why they changed it
stoic needle
is it worth it to overcap CP from SBS on single target to fit your last charge into a gemstones window?
balmy condor
no
faint harness
just had a 30k envenom on a named add on sire <:meruahegao:772001231593275402>
How many masteries
stoic needle
only 27%
faint harness
How are you doing 30k envenoms then
stoic needle
no clue tbh
stoic needle
i'm trying to figure it out
hmm seems like it was with the amp but it doesn't show up in the normal debuff on target filter initially
oh i get it because it's a debuff from denathrius
stoic needle
i think the biggest one i've gotten with no amps besides vend and pot is like 19k
ornate gazelle
Can sin rogues dps shriek in the midphase?
balmy condor
the boss takes reduced damage in the intermission, is untargetable, and moving close kills you instantly
novel lily
only a legend, would dare even try!@
ornate gazelle
Figured, just looking at my logs and seeing where I'm going wrong.
faint harness
Knowing the fight you probably give too much respect to the mechanics
Like hiding behind pillar for too long etc
ornate gazelle
I'm usually pretty good about min-maxing that sort of stuff.
I think I'm not pooling enough, idk.
faint harness
What kind of % we talking
ornate gazelle
Well I have 99's from prog, but I'm like barely breaking 90's on farm.
warm parcel
You can fok shriek for snd/alac refresh
ornate gazelle
I'll try that next week.
faint harness
Well I have 99's from prog, but I'm like barely breaking 90's on farm.
Kill time?
ornate gazelle
3:50, but I'm comparing to logs with similiar kill time and gear setup, etc.
drifting cloud
its actually not that bad
ornate gazelle
He comes down and I vendetta and he dies pretty close to finishing Vendetta, it's not so bad.
drifting cloud
since you get 3 flags
faint harness
If you dont know the timer beforehand you will miss a flag and vendetta
faint harness
Nvm
ornate gazelle
Haha
drifting cloud
He comes down and I vendetta and he dies pretty close to finishing Vendetta, it'...
thats not 3:50 😄
faint harness
2 intermissions?
drifting cloud
he comes back at like 2:25
ornate gazelle
Wait no you're right he's down for a while before he dies after the 1 intermission
Pretty long after Vendetta
drifting cloud
but yeah venth is miles better on shriek
ornate gazelle
For sure, but I'm not comparing myself to venth rogues
Same with hungering
Barely hitting 90's and can't seem to break past it on farm
ornate gazelle
I know, I'm sorting through top parses by sin, necro, and no PI's
warm parcel
So ven + pot cheese is instant couple hundred away
Right, but breaking past 90 just needs more
ornate gazelle
Ah, true
ornate gazelle
I do, and eat my orb fine
hazy crater
yeah can't seem to break my 99 outlaw parse from shriek as sin now, feels like necro just doesnt break it
hazy crater
Yeah hard to get there
indigo mulch
Why is shadowgrasp totem so high up there for assassination?
Is there some interaction i'm unaware of? D:
low girder
it's hasted
indigo mulch
the ticks?
indigo mulch
does it snapshot?
balmy condor
no
bitter canyon
Quick vault question, does vault loot only come from bosses youve downed?
dawn ivy
the bosses youve killed will be put into the pool of loot randomly selected
bitter canyon
So, just to confirm, I have a chance of geting mythic daddys trinket when I’ve only downed say first 3 mythic bosses?
oh?
dawn ivy
if youve already killed sire ONCE
dawn ivy
you can get sire loot from then on regardless
indigo mulch
or 220 on from hc obv
bitter canyon
Got it got it
Just need to kill them once to add to the pool
Thanks a bunch guys 🙂
devout hazel
first time doing altimor asssa idk
why i have so much as ilvl
someone know?
cuz i only have rings 220
and phial
everything else
is 226
devout hazel
im asking about parsing
hazy crater
ilvl parse number compares your damage to others in the same bracket (222-224)
hazy crater
what is not real
dawn ivy
basically parsed an 85 for overall sin rogue parses
hazy crater
well 223 is not really low but that is what it is
dawn ivy
and you parsed a 96 against ONLY the rogues in that ilvl bracket
dawn ivy
people only really "care" about the 85
devout hazel
SADGE
fallen arch
Why sadge
85 is perfectly fine
Did you do great dps? Yes
Did the boss die? Yes
What’s the issue here?
indigo mulch
A weird flex maybe?
fallen arch
Well, his name suits him like that 😄
dawn ivy
nah people try to weird flex at like low 90s
fallen arch
84% of people would be envious, the rest won’t care
dull cloak
85 is not flex lol
hollow river
I parses 51 on Altimor tonight and I’m pretty darn happy with myself
Parsed* second time killing mythic at 214
balmy condor
214? Oof
limber lion
Mythic at 214, what a beast
grand echo
3rd Dreadfire Vessel from vault in a row 
what is this
where other items????
fallen arch
They’re in my vault, all the trinkets except the good ones
forest vigil
@balmy condor if I sim for 5100 in st and do 4800 in practice is that about normal or like, what's the acceptable bounds I should aim to be in
balmy condor
Is that 5100 target dummy sim and 4800 on a dummy too?
balmy condor
Over 1 attempt?
forest vigil
multiple
craggy oak
Well depends on sim did you have raid buffs and hero etc
nimble tartan
anyone else have fun raiding this week
limber lion
my opener is using vanish mut env mut, should it be envenom mut env?
Doesn't matter
balmy condor
Well depends on sim did you have raid buffs and hero etc
He mentioned he’s simming target dummy, that disables everything
honest breach
does Zoldyck buff envenom dmg ?
limber lion
Unfortunately not.
bleak sun
um doest it seems ok overall for you ? Mists 17
balmy condor
Seems pretty good yeah
kind turtle
Anyone else notice that Vanishing in Torghast clears your dots from the enemy? Is this a bug?
limber lion
No, vanish drops combat which causes the mobs to reset
kind turtle
But I'm with a party of 5
limber lion
There's only 2 reasons generally why bleeds would disappear:
- You're the only person hitting a target and then vanishing causing the mob to reset
- You have the Vein Rippers anima power
kind turtle
Ok yeah #1 was pretty much it. We were not running a tank and it was happening every time I Vanished while also having aggro on the mob. So I guess this causes them to reset for a split second before swapping aggro to another DPS
compact pumice
If another player is on their aggro table it shouldn't happen
It's just when the mob hard resets and runs back to it's position kinda
kind turtle
Hmm weird then. I don't know what else would've caused it. It was happening when all 4 DPS were on the mob. Fairly consistently but not every time.
I would Vanish and Garrote/Rupture would instantly drop.
placid pagoda
Got IQD 223ilvl from vault, useful for assa?
compact pumice
Yes. One of the best trinkets for assa
placid pagoda
Yes. One of the best trinkets for assa
Perfect, thanks for your reply
compact pumice
Perfect, thanks for your reply
Np! I would recommend a weakaura to go with that:
https://wago.io/IQDtrinket
gleaming tiger
gm guys i wonder is 7 versa tooo low for assa
terse talon
Hello! I noticed today after getting a small upgrade (Arichnic Ciphner ring from 220 > 226 and enchanted it with same ench) that I simmed about 50 less DPS. Looks like its 30 melee hits reduced. Anyone else experienced something similar?
terse talon
And the bug got pushed to simulationcraft
wow nice thanks for quick feedback, cheers!
balmy condor
Np
frosty bridge
gm guys i wonder is 7 versa tooo low for assa
Not really but sim it
west nimbus
When running Doomblade legendary on ST is it better to talent Crimson Tempest instead of Poison Bomb? On one hand there is additional bleed to increase Envenom damage, on the other you waste combo points and GCD to maintain CT
frosty bridge
Sim it, poison bomb mostly wins on ST
balmy condor
When running Doomblade legendary on ST is it better to talent Crimson Tempest in...
Not usually, no
west nimbus
Ok, thanks!
balmy condor
It gets kinda close with zoldyck tho
Zoldyck and venthyr
Those two together and you get weird shit
CT during shiv, CT really close to PB single target
west nimbus
I'm necrolord sin rogue so I think it's not relevant that much
west nimbus
I know on ST sin rogue is supposed to blast, but I learned AoE ropes first and now I'm struggling on ST
west nimbus
Yeah, i'd say it's easier (on paper) but pacing is way different on ST, slower when it comes to energy
gloomy fern
well yeah u dont get vw from 20 targets 
west nimbus
so automatisms I have like "some time passed so I'm 90% sure I can already press the button" doesn't work really well
weary marten
hey guys ! I'm preparing for 9.1, and i'm wondering what are the odds of needing to be necrolords ? i prefer assa and i like venthyr but i also want to be as much optimised as i can on the damage side. i wonder if i should already level it to 40 now and then switch back to what i like and see later
arctic walrus
If you are playing this spec, you are there for single target damage, and that is what venthyr excels at. Necrolord is the more well rounded option that allows you easier swaps between say outlaw, or even from a raid to m+ environment
gloomy fern
venthyr is sub stonks
weary marten
you think venthyr will last all patch ? i only leveled venthyr and kyrian to 40
and having to up 80 if things changed affrays me
gloomy fern
i mean if ur on farm this tier it doesnt hurt to lvl necro
weary marten
that's kinda what i'm thinking yeah
undone eagle
When i play with MA in m+ on big pulls and vanish for crit , do i open with FoK + CT or is it better 3x garrotes again?
weary marten
depends on target number i would say
the higher the number of target, the more you'll want to skip garrote
maybe i'm wrong ^^"
potent rune
i believe u play Mark for Death + CT
weary marten
pretty sure ma lego is the play when you play NS MFD CT
what do you mean NS ?
undone eagle
I play with sub talent
weary marten
oh night stalker
final star
Nightstalker
weary marten
sorry game not in english, sometimes i lack some references ^^
undone eagle
So its good to go Necro now as assa for pve?
weary marten
not for pure ST
sinful cradle
Necro is completely fine for st
final star
But pulls ahead as soon as there is more than one target
Necro is the better pick for all content imo 👌
Especially if you multi-spec for pve
final star
Let me get my time machine
weary marten
lmao i mean in theory
final star
The necrolord legendary is looking good
I'm surprised it hasn't been nerfed yet, but we keep silent about that
weary marten
just in case they nerf one or the other then i'll swap and increase necro renown
or i don't know how it's spelled in english
final star
Necro is flat out better in aoe for assassination too
Necrolord is just more versatile
And when they fix theotar pots, it will be just as competitive
weary marten
that button feels not rewarding to press tbh, but in the end of a fight you realise it's good
final star
And a lot of fights in sanctum have more than one target
final star
Which means necrolord will pull ahead
Necrolord is also 400-500dps ahead depending on gear for outlaw in aoe
limber lion
that button feels not rewarding to press tbh, but in the end of a fight you real...
I mean, why doesn't it feel good to press?
It does more damage than Mutilate, it can reset if you snipe low hp mobs with it, it will award massive amounts of combo points when applied on several mobs
weary marten
in pure ST you still use your charges ?
vapid dust
@weary marten Yes
weary marten
which soulbind tree is best as necro ? just switched and questing, don't want to lose much time looking for info ^^
vapid dust
@weary marten Heirmir
weary marten
for the crit on the last line ?
vapid dust
@weary marten yes
final star
With sudden fractures
misty holly
Had a mythic kill today where the only 2 people alive at the end were Heirmir necrolords. Felt good!
10 people died to expunge at 7:00. That's enrage maybe?
we got kill at 7:10 with just gemstones holding it down lol
misty holly
not even a new kill, just a sloppy pull 😦
weary marten
guys if i do LFR, and tonigh HC raid, will i get renouns levels in both ?
weary marten
just checking if it's worth
don't want to lfg for nothing
In AOE scenario, subterfuge when does SBS enter in rotation ? 3 x Garrote, SBS, SBS, CT, SBS ?
limber lion
Almost
limber lion
Garrote garrote garrote garrote ct sbs sbs rup sbs
weary marten
hum i need to check for a gemstone WA
limber lion
Yeh, definitely need one for Necro
spice spire
Ran two bosses with Necrolord last night and SBS is a fun button 
limber lion
Venthyr pumps because of Theotar cheese, but once that's removed, most will choose to go Necro.
spice spire
Even being one renown short of gemstones by raid time, the cleave is much MUCH more impressive
limber lion
Ran two bosses with Necrolord last night and SBS is a fun button <:happybear:629...
Yeh sure is!
I'm swapping today as well
Back to the Necro gang.
No, Venthyr is
gusty mirage
Even being one renown short of gemstones by raid time, the cleave is much MUCH m...
You’re much more impressive 
limber lion
But you said Venthyr is the best for raiding, when it's not.
No
You said "for raid"
Not st
spice spire
It’s so close that the cleave diff is really REALLY huge diff
spice spire
You’re much more impressive <a:blush:743528143276605451>
No you 
slim wagon
I need some advice for mythic sire, I usually play outlaw but I might have to play sin for boss damage on Sire. I got the handle of pure st rotation, but I'm lost tactically in ph2, what are my priorities, multidot on sire, remornia named adds, and ct cabalists? and should CT always be up like garrote and rupture on boss?
limber lion
And 7 that are not
limber lion
You're just wrong lol
limber lion
I need some advice for mythic sire, I usually play outlaw but I might have to pl...
You just dot everything around you, but mainly focusing your damage on Sire/Remornia. Always keep CT up yes
slim wagon
You just dot everything around you, but mainly focusing your damage on Sire/Remo...
that seems hectic, when do you find windows for envenom while maintining 3 dots ?
limber lion
that seems hectic, when do you find windows for envenom while maintining 3 dots ...
Rarely ever. You just use it to keep SnD up pretty much
odd hazel
you can play sin in M+ just fine if you want to and compete.
i mean personal opinions i guess
limber lion
We rarely use Shiv for enrages honestly
Group sucks if you're the one doing the dispelling
slim wagon
Rarely ever. You just use it to keep SnD up pretty much
ok thank you, I'm going to talk with my raid leader as well on what our priorities are. One last question if you can, how many vendettas do we fit on each phase? can I use 2 on ph1 if I dont have to use it on 1st add ph2? or is it 1 ph1, 1 ph2, and 2 ph3 timewise?
odd hazel
im just reading that you keep assuming sin is miles behind outlaw
limber lion
ok thank you, I'm going to talk with my raid leader as well on what our prioriti...
Yeah that's fine, but rarely do you want to use 2 Vendettas in p1. It's just unnecessary most of the time
fallen fable
U are litterally putting words into my mouths
limber lion
I just used 1 in P1, second Vendetta on Baron (the second add) then twice in P3
That's the usual route for many.
weary marten
ooooh i just realised, does SBS count as a bleed for the doomblade lego ?
limber lion
Yes
limber lion
Yes
odd hazel
DUDE WHAT
final star
Yes it does
odd hazel
limber lion
slim wagon
I just used 1 in P1, second Vendetta on Baron (the second add) then twice in P3
thank you for your help
final star
Also wait to sbs cabalists
Until they have been hit by sire frontal
Which is a few seconds I think
It claps the fuck outta them on the initial hit
keen cairn
gusty mirage
odd hazel
weary marten
can seal the fate proc on SBS initial hit ?
tulip nacelle
yes
odd hazel
Sorry cev, the more you all talk about it the less i become a venth girl
fallen arch
Same
I badly wanna try Necro
But don't have the time to farmout 40 renown before next raid
odd hazel
you can get it in like 2 days
fallen arch
yeah 2 days
timber basalt
you only need 31
gusty mirage
Sorry cev, the more you all talk about it the less i become a venth girl
Come to the dark side 
fallen arch
I mean, who has 2 days to spare
gusty mirage
We have extra arms for your shoulders and free air fresheners
fallen arch
and shit ton of extra mounts
fallen arch
I mean, It's like my boy Asmon always says 'the real endgame is mounts'
fallen arch
odd hazel
couldnt be me