or MoP
#assassination
simple wadi
i mean of course - but your going to do not so much in P1
and P3 is tight enough that you aren't really going to seperate yourself thaaaat much
balmy condor
people run HB specifically to parse in p1
simple wadi
true
odd hazel
that seems like such a waste though
subtle tundra
that seems like such a waste though
it isnt if they have the fight on farm
odd hazel
must be a mythic thing because i see no one using it
still seing people use CT
¯_(ツ)_/¯
spice spire
Damn
balmy condor
cause HB is more p1 damage
odd hazel
are teams needing that much P1 Damage?
balmy condor
this isn't about needing
odd hazel
fair point
full tide
Alright thanks
spice spire
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
subtle gyro
Guide doesnt mention Lashing Conduit? Old guide or?
thin imp
Hi! Can I soak sledgefist with cloak / evasion / cheating death by myself or do we need to be four?
tulip nacelle
rocks falling can be solosoaked
odd hazel
jesus, mythic mechanics seem great. gotta instantly go do mythic
thin imp
rocks falling can be solosoaked
with?
tulip nacelle
nothing I'd say
it's not even 10k damage
you can just face tank
but only feint would work
thin imp
it is 41k damage tho
tulip nacelle
also you need 2 ppl at least anyway for the big soak since 2 soaks split from it
no 40k+ is when you don't soak
and it's raidwide
thin imp
hmm I see, and the big one even with feint I need two ppl
tulip nacelle
well you don't need 2 to soak it but you need 2 to soak each of the small ones that come from it
thin imp
I see, ty!
craggy oak
where can i find drop chance for daggers?, wowheah seems to only show PF dagger drop chance
and am i right in saying that is suppler rare like .6% chance
or am i being dumb
farmed PF alot now and still now dagger, read sumin just then its quite a low drop chance is this true? should i farm a different one
odd hazel
why you farmin PF?
craggy oak
crit mast dagger
odd hazel
Haste/vers daggers are the better ones yes?
wary ice
daggers have the same drop rate as every weapon
craggy oak
for raid sure
odd hazel
i mean, stats are the same for me in M+
craggy oak
ye stas dont really matter for sin, but if im gunna farm a dagger
why not get one with crit
alpine latch
I'm trying to decide whether I should upgrade Zoldyck to r4, or wait until tomorrow and make a r3 Doomblade
craggy oak
and what im farming
wary ice
I'm trying to decide whether I should upgrade Zoldyck to r4, or wait until tomor...
r4 upgrade is very cost inefficient
If you have any desire to fuck around with other leggos i say do those before r4
craggy oak
daggers have the same drop rate as every weapon
tyty
alpine latch
Yeah, I'm r2 right now
alpine latch
Tomorrow I'll have the SA to crank our a r3 Doomblade
Just deciding where to put it
wary ice
it ultimately doesnt matter
I tihnk most people go hands because technically SLG shoulders are higher ilvl
alpine latch
I won't get those
odd hazel
if i got SLG shoulders i'd remake doom blade.
wary ice
^
odd hazel
but its not that big of adeal what slot they are on
odd hazel
because i have a 226 crit/haste gloves.
wary ice
shoulders and hands have the same stat weighting
alpine latch
I'm more concerned about Shard sockets in 9.1 than Mythic SLG. My current guild is only 3/10 and right now I'm not necessarily looking to swap
odd hazel
i think
i saw we are debating if dashing would be better
since socket would replace all our doom options
wary ice
doomblades the best part of this class though : (
alpine latch
Yeah, I've been wondering that too. Only 4 gems give damage, though.
odd hazel
doomblade is just meh
alpine latch
We'd be missing speed or leech
wary ice
wheres ososhi with his mastery. ahve you SEEN your envenoms???
shits pog af w/ doomblade
odd hazel
because dashing isnt far behind doom to begin with. and i believe @limber lion mentioned its only like 100 behind and the gem would most likely be worth atleast 100.
alpine latch
Well, not really
Gems are unique equipped
And only 4 give damage (assuming the healing one can possibly proc off of our self heal)
odd hazel
maybe we only take the 4 damage and say fuck the healing one?
and save a spot for doom.
odd hazel
ah i see
alpine latch
If that doesn't proc for us, then it's only speed or leech
odd hazel
so we could possibly still keep doom
alpine latch
Portentous Shard of Zed - Portentous Shard of Zed: Your helpful spells and abilities have a chance to grant your target an Unholy Aura, draining 334 health from nearby enemies every 2 sec for 10 sec.
In theory, this might proc on our self heal
Probably won't - but it's Blizzard so who knows
odd hazel
these sockets seem more trouble then they are worth
alpine latch
I'm not, I'm referring to Shard of Zed, the Shard from 9.1
odd hazel
inb4 death shadows meta
alpine latch
I think I'm just making r3 Doomblade on Shoulders since my shoulders are by far my worst item right now
And then cement my spot as the #1 rogue in the guild
odd hazel
i mean
i have them on shoulders with 226 gloves.
i doubt i'd gain more then 30 dps with the right combo
alpine latch
yeah
I'm already just barely losing to an Outlaw rogue with 10+ item level higher than me
I want to beat him into the ground
odd hazel
tbh
i feel like
i dont need to go outlaw for anything
i was beating a 222 outlaw on Sire.
even on P1
spice spire
<:Awk:763563237278089248>
I’m a stinky boy now, wasn’t sure on covenants and stuff 
alpine latch
I'm all ASN
Sin can do everything I want to do
I can smash bosses, easily handle +20s
I don't need much else
odd hazel
i feel like even with the buffs to necro, i still wont go outlaw
so
All sin/sub for me next patch most likely
i havent tried doing 20s yet but
i feel like how i was performing in 15s i would do fine as sin
stoic needle
That was me not Cev saying that we might swap to dashing
I mean, it's entirely possible that the gems themselves would be less than 100 dps each for the damage ones
But then they'd be only slightly stronger than a stat gem which seems giga boring
odd hazel
can you put a socket on them for regular gems?
like, are they a special gem slot or is it just a normal one
stoic needle
They are a special gem slot that's currently only on raid gear. They haven't specified if there will be other ways to add them
And they are in different slots than ones we usually get gems in except a few
odd hazel
like, can we add another socket to them?
stoic needle
Who knows
We haven't been able to get any of the gear to try that
Or socket items to socket anything
odd hazel
Oof. thats sad
stoic needle
It would be crazy if a head one could have a domination gem and a regular gem on it
And honestly if niya herbs procs from recuperator and theotar's token of appreciation procs from the accursed keepsake from prepatch
I could definitely see the healing one proccing from either of those lol
odd hazel
these gems feel like they are going to break some things
alpine latch
They probably will
stoic needle
I mean I kinda don't mind cu I wouldn't hate the chance to use a different legendary for a change
alpine latch
Doesn't every patch break shit though?
stoic needle
But I don't like being forced to recraft legendaries
odd hazel
i mean i just wish our leggos changed up things
stoic needle
True
odd hazel
instead of just beign a bit more % on top
stoic needle
give us 2 legendaries so we can play MA + whatver
or zoldyck + whatever
thats the only solution if all of our legendaries don't change our rotation
odd hazel
i would rather have 2 covs the n2 legendarys
sonic schooner
Yea imagine other classes with 2 legendaries
sonic schooner
stoic needle
bro
stoic needle
can you imagine assassination ST with dashing AND doomblade
or doomblade AND zoldyck
literally 7k+ st dps PLUS execute
sonic schooner
Would be very strong yep
stoic needle
covenants should rly be spec specific
stoic needle
that sounds like too much dev work tbh
considering how hard it's been for them to balance the ones we have
sonic schooner
I just want more soulforge point to spend. Playing 3 specs, playing rbg arena pve farm raid. I sometimes can't even use CtO on m+
😔
odd hazel
i mean, for how long we've had to wait before i think its doable
next shale
Does playing venthyr instead of necro diminish the value of having haste on your gear? I know 
but my sim is telling me to have more mastery than haste - an im reasonably sure it’s just because pieces with heavy crit have mastery on them and it’s just going for the heavy crit, but looking at logs and whatnot, sin rogues are all running very minimal mastery. I’m running droptimizer for all dungeons and everything, as well as top gearing what I have, it just seems very strange that my biggest upgrades were crit/mast pieces
next shale
Patchwork single target 5 min
odd hazel
can you link the sim?
frail fossil
dont let @stoic needle see this
stoic needle
yes being venthyr does slightly reduce the value of haste
spice spire
Why would you @ him 😡
Now we’ll never hear the end of it
stoic needle
it should be lower than crit for sure, possibly below mastery if you have almost zero mastery
spice spire
That’s a lot of haste for 218 
stoic needle
yeah that's an insane amount of haste 
odd hazel
30% crit 23% haste
stoic needle
ah you have iqd
that's exactly why
iqd is best for venthyr with more crit than haste
next shale
My main is necro and sits at 25% crit and haste then like actually no mastery
stoic needle
because the crit proc from iqd during lust (When it's guaranteed to give you your highest stat) is wayyyy better than the haste iqd
next shale
I thought you were supposed to run crit > haste as top two for IQD tho
Right now with that setup it’s crit > mast
Also maybe dumb question, does iqd count alacrity haste?
stoic needle
no it doesn't
this is what your current gear set has
if you were to get all of the top simming items on droptimizer
you'd have more crit than haste and still less mastery than haste
odd hazel
i think my haste drops quite a bit once i get my IQD up to 220
sicne i also have to change my enchants + put a crit gem into my socket
so i think i'll have like 33%-34% crit with like 18% haste
stoic needle
of the top simming items in each slot in your droptimizer sim you linked, only one of them has mastery on it
odd hazel
doesnt the best helm for us have mastery on it
next shale
Yeah, that’s just for Ilvl though, because it’s 233 (and also heavy haste)
stoic needle
if there were a helm with crit and haste on it it would probably sim the best
but there isn't one
odd hazel
yeah, you cant really trust huge ilvl jumps lik ethat
because of agil
@next shale
Agility
3.31
Off Hand Weapon DPS
2.17
Critical Strike
1.56
Haste
1.47
Versatility
1.43
Mastery
1.32
Weapon DPS
16.40
my current stat weights
also, sad man, i wish i had all the buffs for a raid. its like +400 dps for the ones i dont have.
and thats with only like 18% mastery
just dont tell osh i only have 18%
odd hazel
yeah
drifting cloud
well most raids will have shout and monk/dh debuff but enh shaman is rare
odd hazel
my group doesnt have a warr or enh shammy or a priest at that.
only hav ea Monk/DH tank
or a mage
odd hazel
Nope, my guild kind of stopped raiding after heroic sadly.
but atleast i'll be hitting 220+ ilvl with mythics.
drifting cloud
esp mage, dh, you can do without shout and even monk debuff on some bosses
on sludge mythic alot of guilds didnt run warrior dps because it wasnt worth it for overall dps
but yeah you probably shouldnt be trying to kill harder mythic bosses without mage and dh buff
youre just handicapping yourself
teal bloom
Gained over 100 dps in patchwerk by switching from night fae to necrolord 
dark crag
3 sire kills and 3 times consistent. Consistently bad
sleek mantle
Hey lads. Is wowhead a decent site to go read about rotations etc or should I check another site? I heard that sometimes its not updated with the latest changes
drifting cloud
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
odd hazel
i dont know about WoWhead never use it for that but Icyveins is a good one--- ^^ that too
balmy condor
they're all good
copper sun
On denathrius, does neutralize kill you through cheat death?
drifting cloud
yes
it does like 2-3million dmg or something
not sure if it kills you threw bubble tho
frosty bridge
Fun fact: When you die to neutralize and get put into necrolord armor thing, you can still murk people with neutralize by walking into them
drifting cloud
yeah or when you wipe on sludge because youre saccing the chain and since one of the people is necro it doesnt work
or well heirmir not necro
scenic root
What would you say Sin's dmg profile is in raid?
frosty bridge
Consistent ST damage with execute and decent cleave?
Something like that I'd guess
If you meant as in niche
scenic root
Yeah, raid lead wants us to have an alt to expand roster for 9.1 for prog. I main sin, and wanted to know it's advantages vs other classes to find a good balance.
Like I know how to play the class, but couldn't really put it into words lmao
odd hazel
Sin offers amazing boss damage + priority damage with stuff like Flag.
also brings AMAZING cleave damage
as well as silences with garrote
frosty bridge
Sin is looking good for 9.1 progression. Especially since execute is one of the best niches, and especially with the AMZ nerf.
odd hazel
hopefully we get something good.
frosty bridge
This tier you had no reason to bring a rogue over a DK since they brought all that and AMZ + DA
hollow river
Is it just me or does the necro cheat death thing make you unaware you’ve died sometimes
frosty bridge
That being said, melee will probably still have less spots than ranged
scenic root
We are melee heavy right now, struggling with council prog because of it. So looking to have a Spriest alt for similar dmg profile but ranged and a little more utility
stoic needle
WW is a good alt if you want a different profile
Burst aoe damage instead of sustained ST
scenic root
I levels a WW for that purpose.. but doesn't help with being melee heavy.
drifting cloud
I mean no offense but melee isnt making you struggle on council
its going to be way worse on sludge then even with all the nerfs
frosty bridge
I agree, lower end guilds including blame comp way too much
odd hazel
Correct comp only gets you so far. but everything is doable with any sort of comp
stoic needle
Like what are you unable to do because you have a lot of melee
frosty bridge
Pre nerf sludge
drifting cloud
if you have 1 boomie on council the rest of the setup barely matters
frosty bridge
I mean even that
stoic needle
I mean on council
scenic root
Best pull so far is 59% on Nik p3. Killing attendants before the recital. Melee have to run over to burst, then not stack and get screwed over
frosty bridge
Well killing stoneguards sucks without ranged during dance
I guess, and attendands
But that's fixable
stoic needle
One boomkin should be able to handle the attendants
scenic root
Not far but splits raid into two groups for recital
regal cape
8 melee sludge pre nerf 😎
nimble tartan
hey guys im hosting a mythic denathrius melee top ranged mirror challenge winner gets 10 dollars post log ty
regal cape
wut
crystal gust
hey guys since u were talking about council, with my guild we are progressing on that fight. wyd on that fight? I mean u guys switch your prio target on attendants and the stoneguard?
stoic needle
Sin kinda sucks at attendant damage
Depends on your group comp and whether you have boomkins to take care of attendants
hollow river
you keep like 1 extra rupture up on a second boss at all times iirc
stoic needle
But rupturing it is good if you can spare the cp and not lose uptime doing it
You do garotte and rupture on the 2nd boss
hollow river
gar and rupture on a second boss for energy?
compact pumice
Fortunately you have a lot of casters that remove attendant before it reaches the bosses, right?
hollow river
i thought gar, rupt, 2 poisons on main target, 1 rupture on off-target was 5 bleeds
crystal gust
I try to maintain gar+rup on the 2nd boss and rup the attendant if he lives enough
compact pumice
i thought gar, rupt, 2 poisons on main target, 1 rupture on off-target was 5 ble...
You counting poisons as bleeds?
crystal gust
but switching target to attendant is such a loss of dps right?
compact pumice
Nah its Garrote and Rupture on off target for the energy
stoic needle
5 bleeds is the number for energy saturation
compact pumice
i thought this was what Whispyr or someone here told me ._.
They were back and forth on if garrote was worth it, but turns out it was
stoic needle
But doing 5 bleeds on council can be hard
hollow river
ahhh
hollow river
But doing 5 bleeds on council can be hard
this
compact pumice
So both Garrote and Rupture on one target
stoic needle
So 2 garotte and 2 rupture on the main boss and the one next to it is usually enough
But usually there's a waiter or attendant nearby for you to put an extra garotte or low cp rupture on
Unless you don't have dks
hollow river
honestly if you're tanks aren't good at positioning.. gar, rupt can be hard
but that's another story
compact pumice
Attendant damage is like. If you even get a chance to hit it, it's a DPS loss not to of course. But the ranged are supposed to make it impossible for you to do more than a mutilate on it kind of
stoic needle
Shadowstep helps
hollow river
so on an attendant, if we were to hit it
stoic needle
Ideally youd pool cp on the boss before it spawns
hollow river
we would rupt, for energy for a few seconds
stoic needle
Rupture it when it gets into range
hollow river
over envenom dam?
stoic needle
Mut if it lives longer than that
compact pumice
Like if you hit the kill target it's immune anyway
hollow river
ik
compact pumice
Envenom is not worth it
Kind of I guess
depends on how long it lives i suppose, but the longer it lives rupture wins quicker
crystal gust
during attendants i usually spend that time reapplying the bleeds and poisons on 2nd and 3rd target
to maintain the energy regen
stoic needle
It would have to be at like 20% hp for an envenom to be worth over a rupture
hollow river
i've not done the fight on mythic aswell, so i'm still soaking everything in for when i do get there
crystal gust
for that reason i was wondering if i just needed to switch targets even if the attendant is not on range
echo geyser
for u guys that progressed as sin in raids, how important was the ST gain from venthyr vs necro? is there any indication so far for the next raid that the diff between them are bigger or about the same? (~2%)
balmy condor
the ST gain isn't important at all, and actually hinders you on some things like council/sun king from what I can tell
we don't have soulbinds implemented yet in sims
but it doesn't seem to be much of a difference
echo geyser
i see thanks, seems necro will just be solid all around then esp if theres aoe fights
balmy condor
ye
regal pelican
Does assas use potion of phantomfire for prepot?
echo geyser
think its decent with lust but still rng while agi has no rng
loud niche
My raidlead greatly prefers venthyr over necro for my dmg profile
The ST is why he prefers to bring me over other classes in the guild, like another monk
rain mortar
If there is already a monk in the raid there isn’t that much value to bringing a second one over a rogue honestly.
loud niche
If you're bringing a sin rogue for aoe...
rain mortar
Yeah but there are not many aoe fights. There are some multi target fights that sin does really well in. Like which fights actually require high AoE damage? Not many. The sin rogue is usually the better choice unless you have NO monk.
odd hazel
because you're sub
spice spire
Toxic
odd hazel
shut your mouth
pulsar sluice
No sign of us getting smoke bomb back huh
alpine latch
After tomorrow, I'll have the SA to either craft r3 Doomblade and boost my Zoldyck's to r3, or go r4 Doomblade and keep Zoldyck's at 2. Thoughts?
compact pumice
I usually go r1, then r4 for all legendaries. r1 is the bíggest jump to just get the effect. r4 is worth it. But going from r2 to r3 is just unsatisfying.
If you want it for raiding then r4 Doom
unless you are progressing sire then maybe r4 Zold instead
alpine latch
Naw, no where near Sire. We're 3/10 but haven't had our main raid team in like 3 weeks. Everyone's been on vacations
stoic needle
yeah, just save your ash man
alpine latch
We should be 4/10 this week since everyone's back
We have at least 4 weeks til 9.1
I'm not worried about it
They won't announce until Game Fest, which is 2 weeks away. And they always give a 2 week warning for KSM/Arena seasons to end
compact pumice
I mean Doomblade is a good pickup at r4. It just takes 3 weeks or so from r2
stoic needle
i mean yeah i guess if you don't have doomblade at all you can't go wrong with crafting a low lvl one
alpine latch
I needed something that would get me going for both raid and m+ since this is a fresh character
compact pumice
Zold is fine for m+
so just make a DB for raid
then you have everything you need pretty much
(for now)
alpine latch
Yeah, I'm sure it'll swap to the SBS leggo (unless that gets nerfed into the ground)
I'm not too worried about Shard sockets, since only 3 will reliably be needed for DPS
stoic needle
if the individual dps gems are worth anything you should be worried
alpine latch
You can only wear 3 in 5 total slots
faint harness
So you think the dps gems will be worth less dps than the slot difference on legendaries
alpine latch
You shouldn't be worried at all
dapper solar
If you have vendetta up in an aoe situation would you ever apply bleeds to other targets or ST rotation
stoic needle
you can wear 5 total
faint harness
I think you’re confused palmer
stoic needle
thats what they said in the interview
theres 3 from a set and then you have 2 extra slots
faint harness
It’s 3 for the set, but you can use 2 more
alpine latch
They are Unique-Equipped and only 3 are for Offensive stats
faint harness
Well you build a set by using 3 of the same
stoic needle
theres no way that using 3 dps gems instead of 1 isnt less than 100 dps
faint harness
Aka utility ones too
alpine latch
They made them Unique-Equipped in one of the last updates.
faint harness
Bro
stoic needle
yes, but you can have 1 from the set and the others from the other 2 sets
alpine latch
Correct, you'd be giving up either Speed or Leech
faint harness
No
Because the set
Requires 3 of the same kind
You need 3 frost/unholy/blood to make the set
You can’t pick and choose
So you would be sacrificing 2 dps runes
For some shit item slot difference
severe hemlock
Hey gang, wonderi f you could clear something up for me
was just messing with target dummy sims
This is the sim breakdown for 3 mins vs my details
i'm apparently missing like 50k of poison damage
my envenom uptime in the sim is 76% and in game it was 78%. I didn't miss a shiv cast (7 casts in both)
What am I doing wrong?
dapper solar
looks like u have deadly poison appearing twice (right) ur fine
faint harness
Nothing
faint harness
Prob not
severe hemlock
Thanks folks. 🙃
ruby birch
because you're sub
ill remember you in 9.1 
odd hazel
❤️ ;-; please goomblade lord. remember me in a past life
odd hazel
GG!
rain mortar
Soooo like tomorrow we are all expecting bliz to announce rogues are getting a raid utility right? Smoke bomb becomes baseline and reduces all damage taken by 50% while in it? A guy can dream right?
Err 20%
wise gull
Places a Smoke Bomb for 10 sec that reduces all damage taken by party or raid members by 20%.
ez
rain mortar
Rogues get their own AMZ
ruby birch
darkness?
rain mortar
Fixes multiple problems
rain mortar
Exaaaactly
rain mortar
Me either. Let me be broken
limber swallow
I'd be surprised if we got the old version of smoke bomb back. We'll probably get something dumb like "Tricks also reduces damage taken by the target by 5%"
rain mortar
They could easily add a poison utility though too. Like poison reduces damage Boss does to tank by 2/3 % or poison increases all damage done to Bosa by 2%.
loud trench
first night of just getting some logs playing sin. ST bosses it feels fluid and im able to parce well but im still confused on fights like lady I what the prio is for bleeds, and do we just sit on shiv during that time since we are dotting? do the ruptures have to be 4/5cp ruptures?
oak sky
i might be wrong but i think you just dot up the adds and get your kicks or whatever in then pump your target
prob boss
dont quote me tho definitely wait for a 2nd opinion
loud trench
yea the log i compared it too had a lot more muts and ST add damage, i was just cleaving off boss and tossing out rupt/garrotes and int
but that is def wrong
fluid eagle
If I run Crimson Tempest on a fight like Sire, do I cast it in the opener before I do Vendetta >Shiv> Vanish? or do I wait until after the shiv window to cast it for hte first time
loud trench
its not vendetta>mut to 4>shiv>vanish? lol, have i been botching the opener this whole time?
fluid eagle
I only play Assassination on pure ST so you probably have been doing it correctly, I moreso was trying to see if I had to get the first cast of Crimson Tempest before the first Shiv Window or do I wait until after
loud trench
same haha im wondering aoe as well
faint harness
Smoke bomb aoe cloak of shadows :copium:
frail fossil
9.1 rogues will be stacked
orchid valley
is bonesmith or emeni better for prog?
balmy condor
usually bonesmith for everything
orchid valley
oki doki
pure sinew
smoke bomb is darkness but 100% instead of 20%
Warrior equivalent: rallying cry is amz but works on physical damage also
sharp oak
what are thoughts on 9.1 best raid covenant for assassination ?
sharp oak
thanks good to know
balmy condor
np
odd hazel
inb4 kyrian is top tier
odd hazel
wasnt kyrian super broken in PvP at launch?
balmy condor
inb4 kyrian is top tier
Kyrian was only ever good in pve because it got 2 potency sockets before every other covenant
it wasn't even good with a full tree at the start of the expac
dawn ivy
the ability is just lazy
and when you look at what it really gives you its honestly depressing
low girder
it's like sepsis but less dmg and a shittier tree
dawn ivy
almost makes the other three abilities look amazing
balmy condor
the ability is awful
and honestly the soulbinds aren't impressive either
like sepsis sucks too
but at least the soulbinds are kinda okay
but with kyrian the soulbinds don't help the ability
odd hazel
i was NF at first as Sub/then Necro outlaw. but am venth boy sin now
balmy condor
no reason to be tbh
odd hazel
i might switch back to necro depending how things look next patch but meh
balmy condor
if you do a lot of keys, it's definitely the move
odd hazel
sadly i never obtained the SF conduit
cobalt pelican
i love running around in melee praying i somehow found a tiny blue ball to do worse damage than everyone else
balmy condor
and trying to hit that one cp
but missing it like 5 times in a row
"it's good on demand burst" you tell yourself while taking a hit of copium
dawn ivy
why it doesnt proc off of any combo point above the charged one, only god may know
odd hazel
do you have to play around the CP that got charged?
balmy condor
I mean, it's definitely worth hitting
odd hazel
so if it charges 3, but you use more then 3 CP you only get 3 procs?
balmy condor
it charges 2-4
so if it charges 3
and you hit 4
you still have a charged 3
if you hit 3, it gets consumed
and it's a 7cp finisher instead
balmy condor
it basically saves some combo points
you just have to finish at 2 cp or 3 cp sometimes
stoic needle
the problem is none of our abilities scale super well with cp
if it was 7cp + some extra multiplier
it might be actually decent
fleet whale
yeah envenom is too weak
balmy condor
I mean it should've been like 20
cp
and then giga rupture into exsang might've been something
stoic needle
That would have been sexy
stoic needle
Vanish into 20cp NS rupture
fleet whale
they should've made the main effect of the ability be more appealing when they first buffed it in beta
balmy condor
kind of a ridiculous amount of setup
stoic needle
fleet whale
but instead all they did was change some multiplier and buff the base damage by alot
balmy condor
like it's hardly the definition of "on demand"
stoic needle
on demand if you're lucky
balmy condor
when you got the setup of the CP, and then you gotta get to that cp, and then need to vanish/vend/exsang/trinket
that's uh
a lot of parts that need to somehow fit together
dawn ivy
wait an exsang 20cp rupture would still be like a minute long rupture lmfao
balmy condor
yeh
it would be a long boi
exsang snapshotting haste would make that a very girthy rupture as well
1 min rupture, and then exsang during lust/trinket
would be a long haste steroid
dawn ivy
we'd effectively never need any haste
balmy condor
wellllllll.........
WELLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I'm not sure about that
we had 75% haste in 8.3 and it wasn't awful to have more
vast lance
Best legendary and which slot to go in?
loud trench
Hey I just swapped from outlaw. I am def playing two target cleave wrong (SLG). Been placing bleeds on mt then swapping to off target and building for bleeds>shiv windows
balmy condor
Best legendary and which slot to go in?
depends on situation
vast lance
Oh great. Another multiple legendary build.
Alirght. What are they
Raid only really.
balmy condor
raid only is basically doomblade and go
icy ember
balmy condor
Hey I just swapped from outlaw. I am def playing two target cleave wrong (SLG). ...
we maintain dots on both targets, and shiv on cooldown
doesn't sound like you're playing it too badly
loud trench
I think I have been prioritizing building to 4/5cps and then shiv and trying to pool too much
It’s okay to shiv at less than 4cps in 2 target cleave?
loud trench
Wow I guess that prolly changes my opener then
I’ve been building to 4 cps after sd and rupture are up but prolly just vendetta>sepsis>shiv>vanish?
I’ve been building to 4 after vendetta and sepsis
balmy condor
yeah
build rupture, garrote, then vend sepsis shiv
vanish towards the end of sepsis to get the bonk in the crit window
loud trench
Okay cool, I’m assuming we just vanish on cd then too or does that 10second rule to delay shiv also apply to shiv/vanish
I have been saving my vanish 8-10secons to line with shiv
balmy condor
vanish during vendetta/shiv
if you have sepsis going during vendetta, you would delay the vanish for the bonk
loud trench
What’s the bonk sorry
balmy condor
the end hit of sepsis
balmy condor
np
loud trench
Thank you
odd hazel
there should be a bonk emoji
odd hazel
whispyr always being a champ
odd hazel
loud trench
it's what I'm here for
Last one. Bleeds always outside shiv windows and 5+ rup even on add cleaves if it lives for the duration? I’m playing DS
balmy condor
rupture ideally outside of shiv, but you can refresh in shiv sometimes, not too big of a problem
5+ for all finishers with DS
and yes
even on adds
needs to live for about 10 seconds to be worth
loud trench
Okay. I have been delaying bleeds inside shiv windows for add cleaves
loud trench
Okay great!
chilly bronze
So im finally close to killing Denathrius (yeah this late into the tier 😄), but i feel like im performing very poorly and my dps lack so bad in p2 and p3 in comparison to top logs without pi who do like 8k p2 and 6,5k 3, doesnt anyone mind looking at my logs to help me out? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/91W2qzTpcr8gajC4/#fight=17&type=damage-done
odd hazel
@balmy condor call what im gonna get tomorrow
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> call what im gonna get tomorrow
Uh skulkers, a bracer, a belt, and an IQD
stable moss
you cant cloak ravage?
balmy condor
Not the initial hit
timid cloud
All that matters is P3 damage & you’re near the top.
unkempt ginkgo
the sims are telling me EP/DS/CT is best for 2 target
seems weird
i thought EP/vig would be better
gloomy knoll
with 2 target sustained you got like 0 downtime
is honestly so fun as sin
especially with CT
lil bleed here lil bleed there 
plain onyx
With which talent i can macro my trinket ?
simple stratus
did something change with sims in the last 2 weeks? i ran a sim 2 weeks ago and just re-ran it same gear/talents/conduits and its almost 100 dps less
keen dome
Windfury rank 2 totem bug was implemented in recent simc update i think
simple stratus
that could be it
wise creek
With which talent i can macro my trinket ?
it depends on your trinket?! :>
gloomy fern
i mean unless ur using like iqd or killing sludge u just send it on cd
plain onyx
it depends on your trinket?! :>
Skulker's
gloomy fern
dont macro skulk, u wanna be in control when u use it
limber lion
Don't macro anything together. Just play without macros that combine stuff and you'll get used to it.
Assassination doesn't really have many mandatory buttons
chilly bronze
All that matters is P3 damage & you’re near the top.
If it's adressed to me, a bit true, but comparing to top hundred, who do like almost 7k in p3, i think im doing something wrong as i think second vendetra wont get me to this number and i would like to still preform better in p2 just for the satisfaction
limber lion
If it's adressed to me, a bit true, but comparing to top hundred, who do like al...
I did around 8.2k in p2 and 6.3k in P3 and got r1 with it.
Maximizing P2 damage is definitely the place for padding if you're looking to parse
chilly bronze
In p2 im a bit lost, other than maintaining crimson tempest when there are 2+ targets near and keeping 5 bleeds for prio dmg, do we rapture or garrote anything else? I mean i do 1000-1200 dps less than people, thats too much for maintanace mistakes, i must be misaing something
And what is the best place for vendetta in p2, if there is no what so ever isue with killing adds and im using it on sire? After a 3d add has died and its 3 sets of cabalists?
And there is no special tricks for p3 other than standart rotation with chiv on cd? Just timing cd's in the start before bloodprice and right after 2d overlap?
nimble tartan
@chilly bronze ur guild do 2-2 or 2-1-1?
chilly bronze
2 1 1
gloomy fern
its hard to minmax dmg with 2-1-1 cabalist just flop and u afk on platforms etc
chilly bronze
Im not really concerned about parsing atm, i just see the difference in numbers between my p2 and p3 and others, which is usually more than 1500
nimble tartan
if your p3 is a lot lower could be lust timings
gloomy fern
p3 should be around 6k dmg even with bad lust
nimble tartan
some guilds lust bad times for rogue
chilly bronze
Well we lust before 2d overlap for melee, so i would say its bad for me, but like 4700 without second vedetta is bad?
limber lion
In p2 im a bit lost, other than maintaining crimson tempest when there are 2+ ta...
You want to use Ruptures/Garrotes on everything around you. Mainly keeping them up on Sire/Remornia at all times, but also slapping them on the Cabalists.
limber lion
And what is the best place for vendetta in p2, if there is no what so ever isue ...
Yeah if you're not assigned for the adds, then feel free to use it on cooldown on Sire. You can use it twice in P2 if you only used it once in P1.
limber lion
And there is no special tricks for p3 other than standart rotation with chiv on ...
Yes pretty much. You should have CDS up before the big overlap, but you can of course delay them if you feel like it, but then you also run the risk of dying to the overlap and not getting any use out of the CD's.
gloomy fern
rupture and garotting in 2-1-1 is like never worth on other than sire/remornia
u dont rly cleave the mso they live they are just focused so u can move over to platform
chilly bronze
Yeah if you're not assigned for the adds, then feel free to use it on cooldown o...
Pretty sure i cant as when 2d vendetta is up in p2, he is at 47% and at 2d set ob cabalists and im afraid of pushing it too early before killing 4th horseman
gloomy fern
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dBNvxPXAfYWhQj2z#fight=4&type=damage-done look at this, Segera is the only one ive found that do respectable p2 dps with 2-1-1
limber lion
Pretty sure i cant as when 2d vendetta is up in p2, he is at 47% and at 2d set o...
Interesting timings if Sire is at 47% when you're at 2nd set and the 4th horseman is still up.
But alright, fair enough. If it's at 47%, then just hold it for P3.
gloomy fern
its cus of 2-1-1, sire was 41% when we killed gloom last week
had to hold dmg forever 
limber lion
Sounds like the worst strategy ever
limber lion
Why would you do 2-1-1 this late in the expansion
gloomy fern
they are used to it
limber lion
I can understand doing it during the first few months with awful gear
But why would you progress with 2-1-1
limber lion
New guilds should definitely not look to Limit and Echo for their strategies and try to copy them
Too many guilds just copycat Limit, whereas they killed the boss 6 months ago with 10 less item levels 
chilly bronze
I changed guid bc was tired of slg attempts in previous one, got invited to a 10/10 guild, killed slg first day, they have killed sire 2,5 months before but guess half of the roster fell apart and im currebtly trialing so thats why i am very concerned about my performance
And im not entirely sure why they wont change the strat, mb afraid of reprogressing with so many trials
And i dont think i have a lot of opportunities to change stuff, just gotta hold on to the best i have got as i started playing wow in sl and dont have any background
limber lion
A lot of guilds just stick to their old strats and don't bother changing it up
I joined a new guild as well recently and they do the omega-slow strat on SLG which is super painful
gloomy fern
did ur logs on fast st bosses go stonks up while padd bosses stonks down since joining good guild?
untold nest
We do 2 1 1 while progging sire cuz our healers suck and cant handle 2 2 :p
limber lion
did ur logs on fast st bosses go stonks up while padd bosses stonks down since j...
Yeah pretty much. My SLG/Sire parses were awful, but everything else were fine.
gloomy knoll
sire shouldn't go down with a competent raid as long as your assignments don't suck butt
slg tho 
lacking aoe burst leaves you at the mercy of the raid
limber lion
My Sire parse went down quite a bit because we just insta-kill all Cabalists with my new guild
gloomy knoll
and i hate that fact
limber lion
But with our old guild we were slow killing the first set and the last set
limber lion
Not really lol
limber lion
My r1 does as well
gloomy knoll
well if you're necro
you can spike them also
but the cabalists means jack shit for your parse
tbh
gloomy knoll
is that just p2?
limber lion
Yes
limber lion
Yeah just looked at yours.
Exactly
Different strokes for different people.
I got my r1 by just throwing Ruptures on Cabalists
8.2k dps in P2
gloomy knoll
only gonna work in a bad guild or a guild that choses to kill them slowly for some reason
just do boss dam instead
limber lion
only gonna work in a bad guild or a guild that choses to kill them slowly for so...
Exactly.
That's why I need to swap it out for the new guild.
limber lion
That's fine
gloomy knoll
don't touch them at all unless raid leader says full stop
limber lion
Different strats for different guilds.
gloomy knoll
i said i touch them if raid leader says full stop
gloomy fern
i have still dont adapted to 2-1-1 and suck at p2 dmg cus caba dies instant and its stop on boss 24/7 
so i jsut suck atm
limber lion
Glad to see everyone using CT now
When I got my r1 on Sire, it was 89% PB
It's changed quite a bit since then
limber lion
gloomy knoll
yea fuck pb on sire
first time i hit p3 and he walked out of like
8 bombs
i was just like yea never again
limber lion
Yeah CT is superior
People thought I was inting, padding or trolling by taking CT
But it's actually giga for all phases
gloomy knoll
yea
gloomy fern
i should fix a ct wa tbh i dont use one
gloomy knoll
it's bis for every phase
gloomy fern
gloomy knoll
only problem i have with it in st
is i sometimes sack an envenom or two for bleeds
and need to prioritize envenom for shiv windows instead
used to rupture and garrote being like
DO NOT LET FALL OF AT ALL
where as ct it's situational
gloomy knoll
i enjoy it though it's a fun ability
limber lion
Still rocking 226/220 daggers
gloomy fern
i got 226 lash last week 
limber lion
Oh fuck that reminds me
gloomy fern
but 226 dagger 
gloomy knoll
i did a heroic sale with
what's his name
suplazin?
the rogue from lazarus and kinda got mad at his gear not go lie
dude had 226 spires neck 226 phial, every 233 piece weapons hat etc
like cmon bro leave some box luck to the rest of us
gloomy knoll
i need spires neck so bad my crit sucks butt
limber lion
Because I've just simply been unlucky
gloomy knoll
got like 550 crit 😦
gloomy fern
well cev u have like 3 weeks of sire loot
limber lion
I got a Spires neck back when I used to do a shit ton of m+
gloomy knoll
i think i got like
gloomy knoll
6 now lemme check
limber lion
You have a hat, don't ya?
gloomy fern
i only need hat and dagger 
limber lion
Yeah Sire can suck me off tbh
hazy crater
Got a socketed 226 spires neck from vault
gloomy fern
worst part is, the war and monk in guild dont have dagger either so cant even get traded
gloomy fern
or their weps token
gloomy knoll
hoping for loots
limber lion
Imagine getting a Phial in like a month
Only for it to become irrelevant a few weeks later when 9.1 drops
gloomy knoll
every rogue with a 226 phial is a cheater
limber lion
hazy crater
Got that 226 phial as well actually got pretty insane vault luck
limber lion
Hard agree
I've never gotten a good 226 trinket from the vault
Could have used a 226 Ooze 2 weeks ago when I didn't have chain
limber lion
bruh
gloomy knoll
i got a 226 dagger from box like first month or two so i just used up all my karma there
tbh
tropic ocean
not much slow day at work so lurking a bit <:kekw:610125925413289985>
back 2 dk discord
traitor
sullen pagoda
heyyyy i cant be traitor atm if i dont play the game 
i saw they clapped AMZ back to the bin dk
gloomy knoll
yea it's straight poop now
basically a party wide cd
sub got buffs and dk got nerfed
gloomy knoll
balanced as all things should be
gloomy fern
wait do fok trigger phantom fire in aoe on all targets or
limber lion
Maybe
limber lion
I might have used Phantom Fire on Sire
And it might have popped off on the adds once
And did like 100k damage instantly
Maybe.
gloomy knoll
wait what
gloomy fern
i checked ur logs @gloomy knoll on slg https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kAra7C8jNtJDX2QP#fight=5&type=damage-done&phase=5&source=48
and phantom fire on skirms but u dont touch
other than aoe stuff
limber lion
It's definitely FoK
gloomy fern
i used agi on sire cus i thought it would boost my aoe dmg more
rather then the st pf
but i have been lead astray
gloomy fern
well 8 chances to proc vs 1 on muti
limber lion
It might be pretty dank in 9.1 when they boost the proc rate though
limber lion
Yeh and all dots
limber lion
As a Venthyr and this late to the expansion I would just use PF on everything.
gloomy knoll
that's what i been doing tbh
limber lion
For the chance for it to go nuts
gloomy knoll
for a long time i was using
limber lion
Like consistency is not what will get you r1 logs
gloomy knoll
agi pots in aoe
gloomy knoll
but i just got tired of the extra button
and phantom fire cheese can have some really high peaks
gloomy fern
i just swap what i have on my pot button before the fight
gloomy fern
but yeah sire has been only one i used agi on lately
gloomy knoll
and phantom in p3
limber lion
Nah
Phantom in p1
You'll know when you try it
And it pops off.
I did a good 100k+ on the first add spawn with just PF on one pull
hazy crater
Secret parse techniques
limber lion
Agi pot won't be adding 100k to your damage
limber lion
Might be a different story if you use Hidden Blades
gloomy fern
they kinda gotta live mroe than 1 globals for that to happen though
limber lion
So you want to maximize the first FoK cast
limber lion
they kinda gotta live mroe than 1 globals for that to happen though
Nah
If it procs, it procs
limber lion
Agree
gloomy fern
ye but feel like u wanna get more foks out
gloomy fern
care flower might get mad
gloomy fern
didnt he cry about rae calling him soft inter yday
gloomy knoll
hazy crater
I already regret playing PB on progress but HB 
hazy crater
well kinda, but it didnt really do any impactful damage
hazy crater
Yeah
gloomy fern
helps with big adds which is like the only prob in p2
gloomy fern
big
limber lion
PB is fucking boring as well
You don't feel it whatsoever
It just does like 2% of your damage passively
yay
hazy crater
That as well. Felt much better playing CT on our 2nd kill
charred wraith
It just does like 2% of your damage passively
if only the target stays still🌚
ebon fulcrum
What is the best spec and covenant for sire mythic?
gloomy fern
outlaw can get the highest pad dmg thx to p1/p2 in overall logs
but assa is the best prog and meaningful dmg for p2/p3
tulip nacelle
you think outlaw can pad p1?
gloomy fern
if u play in a chinese guild that dont aoe yes
pump good in p2 also ofc but not as good on big adds
limber lion
What is the best spec and covenant for sire mythic?
Necrolord Assassination.
ebon fulcrum
Why necro and not venthyr?
limber lion
Necro is a lot better for P2 and is bugged where you get maximum amount of CP's from it during the first half of P3.
Necro pulls ahead whenever you add one or more targets by default anyways
gloomy fern
these unethical necro players
spice spire
these unethical necro players
ebon fulcrum
Necro is a lot better for P2 and is bugged where you get maximum amount of CP's ...
How exactly its bugged?
ebon fulcrum
I mean, you just use it and you get max CP's? 
limber lion
Yes. In P2 you apply it to the horsemen, cabalists and Remornia
And during P2 and first half of P3 you will get maximum amount of combo points from every single SBS
Likely because the adds don't actually "die" per say and the bonespike sticks to the target and only disappears from the "dead" target after a while.
ebon fulcrum
Nice... thanks 🙂
spice spire
Unethical gameplay
strange python
are you guys looking forward to pewpew as venthyr og necro in 9.1? the new raid seems pretty dope for necro imo^^
limber lion
Probably Necrolord.
They're both perfectly fine and do their own thing, but Necrolord just pumps so much harder when you introduce multiple targets.
It's not too far behind in single target (if you don't include the Theotar cheese)
strange python
yeah exactly, i do belive necro is kind of a "safe pick" when you also count in m+ ^^
limber lion
Definitely. It's considered the best covenant for most things Assassination.
Venthyr is just the king of ST, cheese and parsing.
strange python
only reason i haven't swapped to necro is my mix n' match tmog on my vulp xD
limber lion
Fair enough. That's also the reason why I don't swap to an orc
I like to look at my character quite a bit when I'm playing
And I don't think I would enjoy looking at an orc as much as looking at a Belf.
strange python
i'm not sure if i should rank up Zoldyck or see what the sims shows with the new stuff in 9.1, my doomblade is rank 3 atm, cba doing max rank
gloomy knoll
these unethical necro players
i agree shame on all these filthy bone spikers
venth is de wae
spice spire
venth is de wae
Unethical Theo cheese
gloomy knoll
cheese is delicious, much better than stinky bones 
limber lion
i'm not sure if i should rank up Zoldyck or see what the sims shows with the new...
Doomblade will most likely be our go-to legendary for raiding in 9.1