assassination

[ruby birch]

You mean. Whispyred you

Bahahahahahaha

[dawn ivy]

i tell them i will swap to outlaw

[ruby birch]

Don't ban me

[dawn ivy]

and then in the countdown before they put the key in

i swap back to sin

[balmy condor]

Couldn’t even if I tried

[ruby birch]

[balmy condor]

As in I am actually not in a position that allows me to ban people

[ruby birch]

No no

You meant you love me too much

[balmy condor]

If I were I would without hesitation put you on a rocket straight into the sun

But yes

Let’s go with that

:)

[odd hazel]

Whisper would ban half the disc

[ruby birch]

I suddenly became dyslexic and couldn't read what you said

Love you

[odd hazel]

Whisper loves @stoic needle

[royal lantern]

whispr loves everyone

[balmy condor]

Definitely hard disagree

[odd hazel]

Mastery is our strongest stat

[royal lantern]

ye your right

nobody can love people that say that

[stoic needle]

no one is brave enough to say these things but i provide the truth. mastery is the bis stat. stay woke.

[odd hazel]

[stoic needle]

[fleet whale]

mastery was our best stat about 3 years ago

[balmy condor]

I’ll say that I love something about everyone

Everyone has at least 1 good quality

[odd hazel]

Except @ruby birch

[balmy condor]

Osh and his mastery fetish

Not one of those

[fleet whale]

i remember legion and having 240% baseline mastery

those were fun times

but blizz had to add bleeds to the mastery and make it scale up much slower 😦

[balmy condor]

I actually disagree with making mastery affect bleeds

I think making them affected by haste was good enough

[fleet whale]

yeah, after a few years, I agree too

even if you play a bleed heavy build, mastery still doesn't rank high

[stoic needle]

is there really even such a thing as a bleed heavy build and a poison heavy build anymore

[balmy condor]

No

[stoic needle]

considering half of the poison talents are basically not viable

[balmy condor]

But there was in legion

[winged ravine]

thanks for all the help y'all, gonna go to raid on my 99 cent store version of assassination now

[balmy condor]

We had 2 tanks in the discord

[fleet whale]

well i guess i should've said exsang build

[balmy condor]

Ranks

[winged ravine]

have fun!

[balmy condor]

Bleed and poison

[balmy condor]

[fleet whale]

yeah i miss having a green name too

there was like only two red names if i recall back in late legion

[balmy condor]

Yeah it was a lot more red at the start

But it transitioned more and more to poison

But I think it’s possible to make both viable

They made it work in early and mid legion

[fleet whale]

this might seem like a silly complaint

but exsang should get an animation update

[balmy condor]

Bleed just needed some buffs/borrowed power to match

[fleet whale]

it's literally just evis copy and pasted

[craggy oak]

Can we just double down on bleeds and make exang a talent again please

Tytyty

[stoic needle]

Make Master Poisoner Affect Envenom

[gusty mirage]

make master poisoner not dogshit in general

[potent rune]

i would like to see exsanguinate affect ALL targets with bleeds hehe

[stoic needle]

just replace it with vein rippers

that's not on vanish

just a button that does vein rippers

[slow marsh]

Exsang should be vein rippers actually. That'd be interesting at least

And master poisoner should be poisons/bleeds like everything else to create some sort of synergy

That's my daily pop-in and lurk until I want to say something stupid input

enjoy

[rugged sandal]

best talents for sire prog go

[stoic needle]

BS DS CT

[shy dust]

Cheat death

[rugged sandal]

ds and bs on sire is better than ep and vigor?

[simple wadi]

For P3 yes

[rugged sandal]

ah i guess that makes sense

[stoic needle]

EP vigor is for p*rsing

[rugged sandal]

okay

tysm

[simple wadi]

I think there’s an argument to run ep/vigor and doom blade as you are learning the fight to help get through some of the big adds but ultimately your gonna end up zold/bs/ds

[frail fossil]

can u pick up a new meme now

[stoic needle]

that's actually a combination of two memes

memeception

[balmy condor]

You know it’s bad when flower is tired of it

[craggy oak]

Sorry only played rogue since bfa on and off, is vein rippers a past ability?

[tulip nacelle]

it's a torghast anima power

[craggy oak]

Whats does it do, cant say i can remember it

[tulip nacelle]

after you vanish yout bleeds instantly do their remaining damage and you get some agi iirc

[stoic needle]

bleeds and poison

[sour wraith]

why CT? because of the movement/adds?

[stoic needle]

yes

[silent tinsel]

Not feeling CT on sire

Having to juggle 3 dots and envenom so I don't lose snd

When the hell do I get to pool

[stoic needle]

not pooling at all is less than a 30 dps loss

dont worry about it

just slam

do we pot on the pull on sire or save it for p2 for the adds?

[plain thistle]

I dont pot, and I dont use my second burst on P1, because we need to stop dps anyway

second vendetta with pot on the first add, thats what I do

[lean coral]

on our kill i ended up only potting p3

[stoic needle]

if the first add has 2 monks blowing CDs on it and it fucking melts in less than like 10 seconds should i just save vendetta for the 2nd add?

i feel like my vend is wasted

i'm 2nd kick on the 2nd add, and by the time i come back to the add after doing my kick he's dead

[lean coral]

yeah i saved cds for 2nd add

then i was able to pop them again on dennis near end of p2

and again 2 min into p3 with lust

[drifting cloud]

1 ven in p3 is grief

[stoic needle]

sire damage, being unethical with doomblade

[silent fossil]

ok ur raid sux

[balmy condor]

@stoic needle how do you feel about less rupture more envenom in dungeons

[stoic needle]

go on

[balmy condor]

what if....

stonks are occuring

(also as a side note if this makes mastery better, which it probably will by a small amount, and it manages to become an actual thing, I will find you and I will kill you)

[stoic needle]

you will hail me as the prophet

what are these different variations

modifying the envenom/rupture choice at certain TTD or something?

[balmy condor]

yeh

trying to not overcap a bajillion energy in aoe

and it's rough

for example, the top 2 profiles

F and E right

they don't look that different

but plug it into like hectic add cleave as a double check

and like

F is bad bad

it doesn't really change TOO much of our aoe logic

it's just a shift further away from a rupture snipe, and less "dot everything no matter the energy cost"

but inherently, everything else is sorta the same

although I have to check some other conditions that I think are weird

[stoic needle]

please explain these naming conventions they are wild

[balmy condor]

yeah I know lots of variables

so basically there's 2 lines for rupture

[spice spire]

Tl;dr aoe mastery stonks bottoming?
Edit: oh no

[balmy condor]

actions.dot+="/rupture,if=!variable.skip_rupture&effective_combo_points>=4&refreshable&(pmultiplier<=1|remains<=tick_time&spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=3)&(!exsanguinated|remains<=tick_time*2&spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=3)&target.time_to_die-remains>(4+runeforge.dashing_scoundrel*9+runeforge.doomblade*6+(energy.regen_combined>35)*6)"
actions.dot+=""/rupture,cycle_targets=1,if=!variable.skip_cycle_rupture&!variable.skip_rupture&target!=self.target&effective_combo_points>=4&refreshable&(pmultiplier<=1|remains<=tick_time&spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=3)&(!exsanguinated|remains<=tick_time*2&spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=3)&target.time_to_die-remains>(4+runeforge.dashing_scoundrel*9+runeforge.doomblade*6+(energy.regen_combined>35)*6)"
these two lines

so those are the secret sauce included

the important part is the part I'm editing at the end with target.time_to_die

it's a long string but basically the target has to be alive longer than the number that it spits out after remains> in order for the rupture to fire

right now it's basically just a static number, and that increases with dashing/doomblade as expected

but we're overcapping hella energy

and that's something @marble hemlock has mentioned quite a bit

and the energy thing is a finnicky bitch to try and fix, I've taken many many stabs at it personally

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

in essence

the change is an attempt to make the TTD shorter if you need energy (e.g. something similar to sniping on sire adds)

while also maintaining a longer TTD when you don't need the energy

so if you have not a lot of adds, slam the rupture

[marble hemlock]

pinging me in assa

what year is this

[balmy condor]

if you're in aoe and already drowning in energy, maybe cool it

2019

I'm stonking

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

I miss you seli

[marble hemlock]

same

[stoic needle]

Come back to us

[final sky]

what happened

[balmy condor]

seli used to be the sin daddy

[stoic needle]

Outlaw happened

[balmy condor]

and then he played outlaw

[final sky]

ew

[marble hemlock]

thats

a lot of lies

[balmy condor]

[final sky]

ill give u 5 gold if u stop playing assassin

[stoic needle]

[final sky]

no sorry

if u stop playing outlaw

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/HIGQY/5a94b37576.png

just saying

[balmy condor]

not gonna lie, that's a very shaky case

[marble hemlock]

[stoic needle]

In keys*

[balmy condor]

zoldyck abuser

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[final sky]

hmm ill up it to 6 gold then

[marble hemlock]

holding vendetta for 1m55sec

[stoic needle]

I'll double it

12g

[marble hemlock]

just so i have it at the exact right time

i also played assa keys

a few weeks ago

[final sky]

if this goes above 5k gold i cant compete lol

dude imagine death rolling for 1m gold, it could either take forever or be instant

[drifting cloud]

1/2 parses

how many did assa even have before .5 launched wonder if it was more than like 20

[marble hemlock]

it was

1 out of 3

ill have you know

but yeah, i guess im still considered the original assa OTP

cuz i refused to play sub in m+ in legion, and refused to play outlaw in m+ in bfa

[drifting cloud]

and when we needed you most you betrayed us

[marble hemlock]

you mean when all of you filthy people played outlaw while i progressed as assa?

whos the betrayer

[drifting cloud]

only time I played outlaw last 2 xpacs was Orgo first two kills iirc

so not me!

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor nice sim stuff though, 👌

i think in an aoe scenario it ultimately always comes down to whether slightly higher overall is preferable to having the prio dmg on high value targets even when that leads to significant overcapping

youd have to consider the ttd of high health targets to see if envenom or rupture would be the play in those circumstances

[balmy condor]

yeah

the nice thing is that my brain stopped melting after about 5-6 hours of staring at it

but if prio adds were a thing in aoe sims

I would probably want to kms

I'm sure there's a way to implement some custom dungeonslice that adds in prio adds and flips the priority rotation on or something

but the loss in overall and balancing the two

is reaching AI/Human decision making

and not APL decision making

[marble hemlock]

i mean, its still valuable information to know that the difference between a rupture heavy approach and higher envenom uptime is so marginal, as that then allows you to make your own choices in a dungeon based on the DPE you get from the sim and knowing which finisher to use for high-health targets depending on the estimated ttd

[balmy condor]

yeah

I mean these sims are showing more envenoms and less energy overcapping in general is a good idea on dying targets

regardless of their importance

so I guess this sorta makes it easier to justify prio damage a little

[marble hemlock]

makes sense ofc

and id take a wild guess and assume that having higher haste will increase rupture DPE, but that will be offset by the higher energy regen you have because of it

so i doubt a haste heavy set will make any difference here

dunno what stats you ran that with

[balmy condor]

it's all regen based

so haste shouldn't affect it

should adjust accordingly

[marble hemlock]

mhye

but it would increase rupture DPE while not affecting envenom, meaning even at lower TTDs you should start rupturing for prio

doubt itll make a bigger difference than 1-2sec tho

[balmy condor]

yeah

I haven't fully tried all the edge cases and scaled it up yet

[marble hemlock]

yeah, not sure how much new information can actually be gleaned from it, feels like its more of a "hey, this apl line actually works" kinda thing init? 😄

[balmy condor]

sorta?

It does affect when you should rupture in dying packs

[marble hemlock]

mmmh

[balmy condor]

but I don't think anyone was playing that "incorrectly" so to speak

[marble hemlock]

i mean

yeah

its not like anyone is throwing a 5cp rupture on a mob with 5sec left

unless its literally the last mob

to make sure you have full energy bar on next pull if you go fast

[balmy condor]

yeah

this is just checking if you have a bunch of energy regen already basically

and then wouldn't do that

[mental trout]

Hey guys, returning from a month and a half break. hope all has been well!

I checked the pins in here and the pvp tab but havent been able to find what i was looking for =/.

[placid dawn]

does feint work on cleansing pain?

[mental trout]

Wondering what the best Leggo for Assass Pvp is. i see on icy doomblade

but my friend is saying MA

[drifting cloud]

depends on the matchup

db better overall if you dont wanna overthink it

raz has a yt guide check that out

[balmy condor]

yes

[mental trout]

sick

raz?

[sacred robin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[woven plinth]

i had a couple pings in here i tried scrolling up to find them but i guess it was too far up cus discord wouldnt let me scroll up further

[stoic needle]

search "mentions: Blood#1915"

[odd hazel]

no u osh

[balmy condor]

if you're on mobile, there's a little @ symbol, on desktop there's an inbox button next to the question mark in the top right

[woven plinth]

but i do call boomies "boos"
yes ik im weird

[balmy condor]

that will show only mentions

[woven plinth]

i found em ty

[stoic needle]

doomblade slot check

[gloomy knoll]

@marble hemlock do you prefer poisoned katar or lethal poisons in keys

where's the seli assassin M+ guide smh

[spice spire]

✅ in the proper spot, as whispyr intended

The shoulders

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

wait a minute

I didn't sign off on this

[stoic needle]

they're both gonna be the wrong slots if nothing changes about these dumb domination gems

who's ready for dashing scoundrel cape

[spice spire]

Any time u bring up mastery

[gloomy knoll]

doomblade goes on gloves

who is this heathen

[spice spire]

But also only on shoulders for now as I’ve 220 shoulders and 226 gloves

[odd hazel]

226 glove check

[spice spire]

Like a real gamer I have both made

[odd hazel]

i mean

a 235 shoulder and 226 gloves feel pretty nice

[gloomy knoll]

my 233 shoulder and 235 gloves feel nicer

[spice spire]

Doubt I’m hitting SLG this tier - and I’d made the shoulders egregiously back then

[gloomy knoll]

[spice spire]

Toxic

[odd hazel]

must be nice to run mythic and actually see the SLG shoulder sdrop

[gloomy knoll]

i actually got them fairly early in my slg runs but

denny weapons elude me

for months on end

[odd hazel]

imagine wanting denny weapons over the Mists one

[spice spire]

Balanced, as all things should be

[odd hazel]

tbh, im gonna push hard for mythic next patch. hopefully i actually get to it. disappointed i didnt see it this one.

[unreal glen]

First foray into Mythic tonight.

Anyone wanna pick apart a log and shoot some pointers my way? Open to anything, just wanna improve.

Out of 11 total pulls I was alive till a wipe call was made.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9mf1K86VP7gZJxra/#fight=22&type=damage-done&source=19

[odd hazel]

[spice spire]

Big thing right off the bat is Combo Point management. On both kills you wasted quite a bit

[unreal glen]

Yeah I noticed that. I'm overcapping several times.

[odd hazel]

your garrote uptime is a bit low on hungering

90%

[spice spire]

Also you have only two casts of vanish on shriek so you missed one.

You know how to play the class - it’s just getting the minute things down. During mechanics it’s hard - don’t expect to parse on prog unless you’re just built different at this point. But I’d say just keep bleeds, tighten play up slightly and you’ll be fine

[odd hazel]

your SnD uptime is a bit low

[unreal glen]

Could be wrong, but most likely not refreshing before Desolate as for Garrote Uptime

[odd hazel]

89%

[unreal glen]

Noted

[stoic needle]

you'll never take me alive

[unreal glen]

As for SnD I didn't find any other time where I needed to refresh SnD outside of using Envenom

[odd hazel]

you should never drop it tbh. unless you just got unlucky on hungering.

[unreal glen]

Most likely unlucky. I'd have to record pulls to fully check that as I'm not 100% confident in my abilities to fully read logs.

[odd hazel]

oh

you died on hungering. i shouldnt be reading a wipe

[unreal glen]

We didn't down it at all. This is progression for my guild

[odd hazel]

you also died on shriek.

oh--- like right at the end.

[unreal glen]

I did sadly. Shriek had 0.5% health left and Cloak was down during Echolocation

Healthstone and Pot used earlier on in fight.

[mental trout]

as assass what gear slot should i craft doomblade on?

[odd hazel]

either if you dont have the SLG SHoulders is fine

but recommend gloves if you have them.

[unreal glen]

Don't be like me and put it on Shoulders.

[odd hazel]

it doesnt make to much of a difference which you put them on

realistically

if you dont have mythic SLG shoulders its meh

[mental trout]

yea im going to put them on hands i think

[unreal glen]

I was told I shoulda gone with Gloves.

I've got Heroic SLG shoulders. Likely won't make it to SLG before 9.1 in Mythic

[odd hazel]

have you already made them on shoulders?

[spice spire]

Preferential is gloves - both slots have same stat allocation; however, this and next tier shoulders get a bump up from other pieces from final two bosses

[unreal glen]

I have. 225 currently.

[odd hazel]

i guess you could make them on gloves if you're willing to use the soul ash.

i wouldnt worry about it to much though. who knows what next tier will be like with all the speculation with the sockets and everything

[unreal glen]

Ive been debating it. I'd have to sim the differences and see if it was worth it at this point.

Exactly^^

[balmy condor]

then the difference shouldn't matter tbh

[unreal glen]

Gotchya

[mental trout]

thank you guys! Very help full group <33333

[odd hazel]

inb4 we make the cape leggo

[unreal glen]

Cheers to @spice spire and @odd hazel for the pointers ❤️

[sour wraith]

zoldyck on pants or boots? or does it not really matter

[stoic needle]

pants

because of domination sockets

[spice spire]

Also higher stat caps but it works in multiple ways now

[spice spire]

Best of luck papi

[sour wraith]

gotcha, guess the gem outweighs the higher ilvl pants then huh

[stoic needle]

it's impossible to know for sure

but i would be very suprised if it didn't

the gems would have to be really weak for it not to be the case

[placid dawn]

is it worth saving vendetta for p3 sire if we are not making it to 40% before phase?

we get to 47 ish

and i get vendetta back at 6min

[odd hazel]

will the boss last another 2 minutes?

will it line up with othe rthings?

are you lusting to burn him or using lust at p3

( i have no done mythic so this is only heroic knowledge )

[placid dawn]

it will lasts 4 more minutes probably

might not even lose a cast

not sure about that

[odd hazel]

i mean, as long as you get full benefit out of it why not

[tribal hornet]

Is dungeon slice sim gives good stat values? Or better do patchwerk 3+targets

[odd hazel]

D-slice is fine

[tribal hornet]

kay, thanks!

[balmy condor]

bout to get more fine ;)

[odd hazel]

dont make me switch to necro king whispyr ;-;

[balmy condor]

oh well

this is gains for everyone

[odd hazel]

oh?

something changing?

[balmy condor]

just optimizations

[odd hazel]

whats ya got brewing

[balmy condor]

:) soon

1.3%

sooon

[odd hazel]

SOOOOOON ™

[gusty mirage]

madness

madness is what he has brewing

[spice spire]

H U G E

[odd hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/3po-star-wars-this-is-madness-gif-13899583

[gusty mirage]

if you only knew

while we've been memeing around, whispyr's been grinding

[odd hazel]

im just sitting here queing for keys

QQ

[gusty mirage]

so afk? or running in circles?

[odd hazel]

watching youtube eating cheese its

does that count

[gusty mirage]

um, that's significantly better than what I do

I just run in circles and contemplate cancelling my sub

[odd hazel]

#DoubleMonitors

tbh, once i get KSM and 220ish ilvl i'll be content. then i'll just continue playing tbc classic or try to pug some mythic kills

oh wait--- i need to do the maw weeklys.

@gusty mirage doesnt help that half the Dungeon finder is filled with carries/sellers

[gusty mirage]

do what I do, report them

and watch tv shows

[odd hazel]

im just curious if they ever actually do anything about them

[stoic needle]

1.3% more dps... 1.3% closer to mastery supremacy...

[balmy condor]

we don't stop

till we hit outlaw dslice

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

evolution G is pumping though

you thought E was good

oh baby

[grand belfry]

hows the new necro legendary feel for dungeons?

[balmy condor]

necro lego is poppin

we love that shit

[odd hazel]

is it the dot we love

or the initial damage

that is the question

[balmy condor]

both

and the cp

[odd hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[balmy condor]

so like

thrice

but both

throth

[stoic needle]

throce

[balmy condor]

thralloftheabove

[odd hazel]

shame, just upgraded my zolds too

but i'll save up some ash just in case it goes live like that

[stoic needle]

you'd want both legendaries anyway

i've got 8k ash burning a hole in my pocket

[odd hazel]

why both?

dont throw your mastery on me you heathen

[stoic needle]

because deathspike has zero single target value

if you dont craft your deathspike as crit/mastery you're trolling

[balmy condor]

[odd hazel]

whispyr

does he speak the word of truth

or do we lock him away

[stoic needle]

why would you put single target stats on a legendary that has no single target value

[balmy condor]

I mean

I hate agreeing with his mastery nonsense

[odd hazel]

LOL

[stoic needle]

[odd hazel]

i just cant believe him sometimes

[balmy condor]

cause it's usually the scrawlings of a mad man

but in this case

I'm actually gonna agree with him

crit mastery seems kinda okay

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

I still hate the meme though

and wish you'd stop

[odd hazel]

I MEAN

what would a mastery build even look like on paper

[balmy condor]

oh god no

we're not stacking it

[stoic needle]

welllll

[balmy condor]

I'm just saying crit/mastery on the lego

is fine

having some mastery for m+ is fine

having nothing but mastery is giga bad

having nothing but crit/mastery is giga bad

[stoic needle]

or a lot

[gusty mirage]

stacking any stat (outside of crit, but even then that'd be mostly for more cp from fok) is a bad time

[stoic needle]

my m+ set has like 15% haste and 34% mastery and sims say i need more mastery

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean

[gusty mirage]

how much crit are you running @stoic needle

[balmy condor]

that is a pretty decent amount of haste tbh

[odd hazel]

im just curious what like

[stoic needle]

~30%

[gusty mirage]

okay that seems about right

[odd hazel]

a crit/mastery or haste/mastery with some crit would look like

[balmy condor]

I'm at 35% mastery and it's my worst stat

so

[hollow river]

I run 30 crit 10ish haste 39 mastery 7ish vers

[balmy condor]

oh god your icon

what the fuck

[hollow river]

And it says I need@more@mastery

[balmy condor]

new discord picture

is cursed

[hollow river]

[stoic needle]

[odd hazel]

29% crit 23% haste 18% mastery

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

ideally i'd like to get down to 10% haste and put those stats into crit and mastery

like 35% crit and 40% mastery

[gusty mirage]

hey man you do you

[hollow river]

How does the damage of our bleeds scale?

[odd hazel]

one day we should all follow the word of osh

[stoic needle]

it scales the most with mastery

per point

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Each individual tick has crit chance

They tick faster with haste

And they all hit harder in general with mastery or vers?

[stoic needle]

yeah

mastery has a higher coefficient or whatever than vers does

[hollow river]

Yeah vers seems to be our worst stat

[gusty mirage]

vers also has the perks of having DR tied to it and flat buffing all damage

don't discount vers

[hollow river]

Perks of DR?

[gusty mirage]

yes

versatility reduces the damage you take

[stoic needle]

yeah i don't like having no vers whatsoever because i stand in shit a fair amount

[odd hazel]

damage reduction = DR

[hollow river]

Ahhhh yeah

[strange python]

good for high keys

[gusty mirage]

its generally a bad idea to hard stack any one or two stats

esp in SL when secondaries are the way they are

[odd hazel]

tbh, any thing with crit/haste has been BiS for me but lately vers has been crawling up

[hollow river]

This is just the highest ilvl gear I have so

[gusty mirage]

osh isn't wrong about his love of mastery per se, he just devolved into degeneracy when he decided to use a bell on SLG

[stoic needle]

i'm a visionary i tell you

A VISIONARY

[hollow river]

Lmao

What does bell do?

[gusty mirage]

gives a ton of mastery on a short CD

shortish

[stoic needle]

1:30

[hollow river]

Hmm

[stoic needle]

if i had a 203 instead of a 194 i'd have kept using it

[hollow river]

You use it in keys?

[gusty mirage]

you woulda been inting your damage sir

[stoic needle]

sometimes

but iqd just kinda does the same thing

without the agi loss

[odd hazel]

its sad when

[hollow river]

Mmm

[odd hazel]

a 213 IQD is better then any thing 220 trinket besides phial

[stoic needle]

iqd is stonks

[hollow river]

I don’t have iqd or phial yet so

[gusty mirage]

happens every tier tbh

[hollow river]

Doubt I’ll get before tier is over

[gusty mirage]

there's always a few trinkets that are ridiculously strong compared to the others

we got a long ways until then, don't lose hope @hollow river

[stoic needle]

just run more DoS

[hollow river]

I haven’t been running keys lately sadly

Pugs are poison

[odd hazel]

yeah, i've been running enough to get like 2 choices of 226 and thats about it.

[hollow river]

And I’m not good enough at sin to get KSM yet

[gusty mirage]

Yes you are 🙂

[hollow river]

Same 1 or 2 choices

[odd hazel]

i've never gotten the same choices

[hollow river]

Nahhh

[gusty mirage]

nah trust me you are

[odd hazel]

i mean

sin is literally

spread garrote, rupture everything, CT

and keep SnD up

[hollow river]

Promise I’m not lol

I can’t do my rotation and avoid shit/interrupts

[odd hazel]

only one way to get better 😛

[hollow river]

Unfortunately

[gusty mirage]

Use a focus kick macro to make interrupting a billion times easier

that way you don't have to try to tab target or click the nameplate

[hollow river]

Is there a faster way to set a focus target

[stoic needle]

mouseover kick is goated

you can bind set focus

[gusty mirage]

I have 2 buttons on my mouse, one to set focus and one to clear focus

[hollow river]

Hmmmmm

[gusty mirage]

the G600 turns the scroll wheel into 3 buttons

so you could get 5 binds out of it

[stoic needle]

i just got good at mouseover kick, garotte and rupture

[gusty mirage]

mouse3, mouse4, mouse 5, and scroll wheel up and down

[stoic needle]

it's alot more flexible once you get used to it

[hollow river]

I feel like mouse over gar and rupt would be hard at to get used to

Af *

[stoic needle]

i use tab target to get the initial garrotes and ruptures up

[gusty mirage]

garrote mouseover

[stoic needle]

and then after that use mouseovers to refresh

it's L I T

it was very nice on slg

[hollow river]

If you’re moving around a lot how tf do you use a mouse over tbh

[stoic needle]

that was how i got used to it actually lol

i mean you put your camera top down

move with WASD

and use your mouse for mouseovers

[gusty mirage]

you keyboard turn?

oh my

[hollow river]

I’m not that precise these days like I was as a kid x.x

Wtf no I don’t keyboard turn

[stoic needle]

i don't keyboard turn

my A and D are bound to strafe

Q and E are abilties

[hollow river]

^

[gusty mirage]

if Q isn't blind we're not friends anymore osh

[stoic needle]

[hollow river]

What

[stoic needle]

q is garotte

[hollow river]

Q is gar

[stoic needle]

e is mut

[gusty mirage]

nah

[hollow river]

E is sbs

[stoic needle]

R is envenom

F is rupture

shift+F is ct

[gusty mirage]

do you utilize 1-5 at all? kek

[stoic needle]

yeah they're uh

[hollow river]

I can’t reliably use 5 rofl

[gusty mirage]

bruh you just named like 80% of our aoe rotation on buttons NOT 1-5

[stoic needle]

1 is snd, 2 is shiv, 3 is nothing but was vendetta when i was venth

[gusty mirage]

1 is snd?

WAT

[hollow river]

Lmao

[stoic needle]

well keep in mind this is on a razer tartarus

[hollow river]

Where is fok o.o

[stoic needle]

so this is what would be in the place of 1

[gusty mirage]

one second

let me see what this monstrosity is

[stoic needle]

fok is C

[hollow river]

I see you truly are a man of culture as well.

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

you're just hating because your defensives aren't on the D pad

[gusty mirage]

all 3 of them?

[hollow river]

I have the one oxi posted

V2

[stoic needle]

dpad up is feint, dpad down is evasion, dpad left is cloak, dpad right is stealth

[hollow river]

Use the Dpad to move in game tbh

[stoic needle]

vanish is shift+space

the dpad isn't precise enough for movement imo

[gusty mirage]

free up more space on whatever that contraption is

and use pedals to move osh

be a real gamer

smh

[stoic needle]

kekw

i need a 3 button foot pedal

[hollow river]

Pedals?

[stoic needle]

for vanish, vendetta and push to talk

[hollow river]

What on earth

[stoic needle]

i just have push to talk on one rn

you're gaming in 2021, i'm gaming in 3021

[gusty mirage]

good thing I'll be dead by 3021

[hollow river]

Why a 3 button pedal

[gusty mirage]

and never have to experience this

[hollow river]

What is going on

[stoic needle]

one for vanish, one for vendetta, one for push to talk

[hollow river]

He said pedals to move

[stoic needle]

nah

[hollow river]

Lol

[stoic needle]

that'll just get you killed

[hollow river]

Push to talk pedal DOES sound legit af tho

[stoic needle]

it's so fucking nice

[hollow river]

I can’t use push to talk

[gusty mirage]

I had a priest in season 4 of bfa that used legit a DDR pad to move around

[hollow river]

Not while doing anything of real value

[stoic needle]

because there is just no convenient keybind for PTT

[gusty mirage]

I wish I was trolling

[odd hazel]

mines control

[hollow river]

That sounds like fun

Did he always stand while he played?

LOL

[stoic needle]

we are all peasants in the presence of thiji higuri https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1019892739

[gusty mirage]

I'm not sure tbh

I didn't want to know more

[hollow river]

Bro I was about to mention that dude

[gusty mirage]

but them moving around with a ddr pad explained everything I needed to know about their performance

[hollow river]

Plays with a freaking controller while RpPing lmao

[stoic needle]

he is literal god

[hollow river]

Idk about that 🤷

[stoic needle]

we are not worthy

[gusty mirage]

I could never use this fish tartar thing from razer

how tf do you play other games

[hollow river]

YOU DONT

[stoic needle]

well you just bind everything to it

it's really not that hard

[gusty mirage]

bruh you telling me I can play valorant on that blasphemous creation?

[hollow river]

I haven’t started using mine yet. Nor my naga

[stoic needle]

if you can play wow on it you can play anything on it

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

the big thing is that it's more comfortable than any keyboard ever

and has more keys in a smaller space

i dare say it's just better than a keyboard

if you put some effort into customizing it

[balmy condor]

[odd hazel]

why not just use a keyboard

it has plenty of buttons

and its comfortable

[hollow river]

Because al the buttons are staggered and it is designed for typing not gaming

[odd hazel]

i mean

it works fine

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow river]

Opinions and preferences

[odd hazel]

i use
123456
QERFGCV
shift + 1, 2, 3,4
and a bunch of shift QERFGCV

and a few ctrl ones

[hollow river]

I can barely use 4 reliably

Let alone putting my pinky on shift and hitting 4 lmaoo

Modifiers on the game pad are also much more ergo

[odd hazel]

to be more precise i use
12345
`/C4
QERF
Shift F, Q, C1, C3
S1, S2, S3, Z, C, X, CQ, C2

you just get used to it, it feels normal to me tbh

[hollow river]

Yeah I can understand that

But how long does it take to get used to lol

[odd hazel]

depends how dedicated you are.

[hollow river]

I guess

[odd hazel]

not long tbh, you just have to deal with fucking up sometimes during the process of learning

like, i use the same keybinds for any class i play to make it easier for me to learn them

and try to keep similar spells in the same spot

kick/interrupt is always `

something like vendetta is always E. CoV abilities are always Q

[hollow river]

What do you use for stealth

[odd hazel]

like, before combat or vanish?

[hollow river]

Regular stealth

[odd hazel]

i just click it.

[hollow river]

O.o

[odd hazel]

?

[iron orchid]

That right there

[hollow river]

I use ‘

[iron orchid]

I was not the only one

[odd hazel]

i never have felt the need to bind it tbh

[iron orchid]

But I don't click it anymore, can't help you there

[hollow river]

Some tanks I only get like .5 seconds to restealth so

[iron orchid]

I just got rid of the "zoom in" control and put stealth on Scroll UP

[rigid pine]

i use alt and mouse 5

[hollow river]

Can you change your modifiers in wow settings?

[odd hazel]

its the only thing i click tbh.

never feel the need to have a bind for it.

[iron orchid]

I remember people coming to my stream like "How is this guy legit ? He clicks stealth bruh"

So I changed it

[odd hazel]

thats funny

[stoic needle]

[iron orchid]

And now I don't stream anymore

We need to fill our raid roster and M+ team for 9.1, then I'll probably stream every night

[gusty mirage]

more assa content on twitch pls

[iron orchid]

Let's just hope I don't have to main my fury warrior in 9.1

[gusty mirage]

say it aint so dei

[odd hazel]

[gusty mirage]

I may have to main vdh at this rate

[iron orchid]

We only have one warrior, and I ain't sure he'd make it into a M raid roster

If he doesn't I'll have to

[gusty mirage]

you'll always be a rogue in our heart

regardless of what you may be forced to play

[odd hazel]

"forced to play" PFFFTTTT

[gusty mirage]

sometimes you just gotta do whats best for the team

[iron orchid]

I must admit that fury warrior is very different

[slow marsh]

Constantly wiping on p2 on last add is so frustrating

[odd hazel]

i dont pay 15$ a month to be forced to play anything but thats just me

but

i applaud you for your dedication

Hopefully you actually enjoy fury war

[gusty mirage]

fury war is a ton of fun from what I've been told

[slow marsh]

I mean being top on meters is pretty fun

And fury pads really nicely to get up there

[iron orchid]

Yeah

[odd hazel]

if i was gonna switch to something, i'td be a Spriest

[iron orchid]

Shadowlands made me realise that I just cannot play caster

So I just geared the melee specs that I found fun

[hollow river]

Yeah so far I hate all ranged specs

[iron orchid]

Sin rogue, enh sham, fury war, and a survival hunter waiting at lvl 60

[slow marsh]

I am trying to level ele sham and its ok

[hollow river]

But spriest/aff lock seem like the only ones I could really give a go

[odd hazel]

ew aff lock

[iron orchid]

Ele shaman is fun yeah

[slow marsh]

It just feels so weird being a melee boi and swapping to ranged

[hollow river]

What’s wrong with aff lock

[iron orchid]

I got the same feeling playing ele shamn and fury warrior in keys

[odd hazel]

i just hate the way it plays tbh

[iron orchid]

Simple rotation does great damage

[hollow river]

But you play sin rogue

[odd hazel]

played lock for 4 years or so, and some Spriest in BfA. so it feels natural to me

[slow marsh]

Yeah I enjoy the random burst it has

I played rogue ret pally and enh shammy in wrath

and dabbled in ele

[odd hazel]

Yeah, i enjoy pressing more then malefic rupture and DoT upkeep

[slow marsh]

So it's not crazy foreign but it is weird

[odd hazel]

this iteration if Aff i just dont like.

[hollow river]

But all we press is envenom and DoT upkeep

[odd hazel]

im more of a Demo guy honestly and miss Meta

[hollow river]

o:

[odd hazel]

Yes but, its a build/spender build that actually feels fun. unlike Aff where it just feels bad to me.

[hollow river]

That’s why o thought I’d enjoy aff tbh because I like sin

I*

And it has a lot of instant cast bleeds which seems better than all-cast bar specs

Like I tried fire mage and outside of combust/procs I hated it

[odd hazel]

thats all fire mage us

a floppy noodle who hits hard every now and then

[hollow river]

Floppy noodle?

[odd hazel]

its like 2am, thats the best you get lmao

[hollow river]

Lmao

I just want to play a class that gets invited to keys more tbh

Spriest seems@to be doing good rn. Idk about lock

Ele sham probably safer bet

[left briar]

Might see lock more in 9.1 with seeds possibly making a return, play boomkin

[hollow river]

I hate the thought of playing boomkin lol

Never tried it tho so idk why

[slow marsh]

I mean rogue shouldn't have any problem getting into keys

I know I dont

People base it on rio more than class

[odd hazel]

im 1200 and people dont seem to take me often but i know people require IO for things that dont need like 1500+ IO

[lean coral]

only way ive ever pushed io

is just doing my own keys

[gusty mirage]

yeah a lot of people in lfg want high io and high ilvl because they think it means they'll for sure time it

[odd hazel]

only downside to IO score.

[shadow helm]

wat necro soulbinds for raid bro

[balmy condor]

Heirmir

Gemstone

[shadow helm]

well placed?

[balmy condor]

SF

[shadow helm]

vigor or deeper

[hazy crater]

depends on fight and your gear

sim

[odd hazel]

theres no difference really, usually deeper pulls ahead but some people go vigor cause its easy

[plain onyx]

yeah i like deeper a lot but vigor sims to me more than deeper

[shadow helm]

why serrated bone spikes op bro

[odd hazel]

because The initial damage is strong as well as having a extra dot

• combo points

[shadow helm]

if only this was the iteration on expac release

[odd hazel]

its gonna be even stronger next patch

+2 more charges and dots hits 2 targets around it.

for the necro leggo

[spice spire]

Someone missed the beta sbs

[craggy oak]

Any sim nerds around with a spare few mins?

[odd hazel]

what do you need?

[rigid pine]

hmm

[craggy oak]

I wouldnt mind seeing the difference between keeping CT up 100% of the time, compared to only when target is sub 30%, compared to not useing it at all, patchwork and useing zoldycks

[hazy crater]

hm. shouldn't be too hard to do I could see

[hazy crater]

Keep in mind this is with my gear and Necro covenant

[craggy oak]

Tyty

[desert quartz]

Does it mean that using CT, shiv plays a very small role? Like in m+ and/or raid? Do I avoid shiv windows entirely?

[craggy oak]

No

You still shiv

Trying not to refresh bleeds in shive window

I think you can drop ct entirly during shiv window on st

[trim plover]

So I seem to be getting the issue that my bleeds are too close to needing refreshing but not inside the pandemic window when shiv is coming off cd, i.e 10-15secs on rup, which means if I shiv and envenom, by the time I get 3 envens off and then wait for energy/combos, rupture falls off. If I wait for pandemic window and prevent overcap energy while I wait, then build to refresh and pool for shiv, shiv is off cd for 10secs. What's the best way of tackling this?

Also is it OK to let garrote drop off during a shiv window?

[north basin]

do we have 30% dummy to test things somewheree?

execute

[craggy oak]

Keep garrote and rup up 100% of the time

[loud niche]

I don't let any bleeds drop, even if it means you have to refresh in shiv windo.

Just need to get better about planning ahead. It happens from time to time but shouldn't be a major concern unless it's happening often

[warm parcel]

I mean theres no planning to be done

As cp gen is random, rup dur is random too

Sometimes it hits shiv windows

Just go into shiv with resources

And not like you have to env thrice every shiv

[trim plover]

Ok that's what I thought, the random duration means it's harder to plan but then reading all this "don't refresh bleeds during shiv" was throwing me.

[loud niche]

yeah but if he's getting it often, then he may be dumping with enven when rup has 10-15 up, and then building and starving after to refresh it... I'd rather be at max cp and rup early in shiv than to dump with enven before shiv while rup is 10-15sec

[warm parcel]

Its not a rule you have to die by. But it always feels bad casting a bleed during shiv

[desert quartz]

Thank you

[trim plover]

So basically it's better to pool energy and combo for shiv but don't be too tight on avoiding rup/gar refreshes during shiv?

[craggy oak]

Refrshing garrote sometimes feels nice due to getting the 5 cp or going 3 to 4, so feels less bad then when followed up by envenom

But in a perfect world we want to avoid this

[loud niche]

never let a bleed drop, try to not use bleeds in shiv, and if possible (it's not terribly often that it is) try to go into shiv with a good amount of energy without overcapping, and with 5+cp so you can try for 2-3 enven's in the window. I actually normally only get 2 enven's per shiv, and I 99 parsed shriek this week without PI, not sure if you're running the normal talent set or what

[warm parcel]

Yeah

Always rather chill before shiv is off cd

Think for a mom

[trim plover]

I'm swapping between ep/vig and bs/ds to see which I like the feel of

[loud niche]

sim it, if you'd rather feel better when you're playing the spec then just do what feels best. Best advice I can give ya on it

[trim plover]

Nice one, thanks for the advice folks 👍

[loud niche]

np gl

[stark dawn]

Doomblade is better on hands or shoulders ?

[royal lantern]

hands

right now

[stark dawn]

ty ❤️ also I see that on warcraft logs 🙂

[final sky]

what level 50 talent should i use for levelling through dungeons?

crimson tempest right?

[silent fossil]

use ct for basically everything except pure st

[final sky]

how would i go about using it?

[silent fossil]

like any other bleed lol

hit on 5cp reapply during pandemic window

[final sky]

kk

[craggy oak]

In packs use before rup, on st rup first

[final sky]

alright

[tropic quiver]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

In ST outside of Shiv windows. You also never spam it, not even in massive AoE

Just keep the bleed up

[vagrant bison]

how do you guys deal with bleed dropping on pride? like, if the pride has 15% and my garrote is running out in 2 seconds, is it worth to refresh it? same thing with Rupture. So far i have been trying to apply rupture with less cp but sometimes it starts to run out at that % and idk if i should reapply it or not

[red bloom]

Is the only reason doomblade goes better on hands cause of the SLG shoulders?

[silent fossil]

yes

[balmy condor]

You reapply

[vagrant bison]

but if the pride will die in 10 seconds isn't it better to envenom?

[red bloom]

10 seconds?! may as well vendetta and the whole shebang

[sonic schooner]

Maybe if your snd is about to drop yea, otherwise specially playing zoldyck I would garrot low rupture. Maybe it's not the optimal but it's how I would do it 🤔

[silent fossil]

if ttd >8s a 1-2cp rupture would do benefit more than an envenom

[vagrant bison]

ttd?

[silent fossil]

time to die

[vagrant bison]

ah

mhhh alright, thanks

[silent fossil]

even moreso with zoldyck

[vagrant bison]

yeah, thats the only lego i have

[craggy oak]

Is there a ttd vs cp spreadsheet showing data values or anything like that

[gusty mirage]

Not that I know of, but there are conditions that take into account ttd and cp usage in our APL in simc

[stoic needle]

That may change soon

[gusty mirage]

The ttd yes, not the cp usage

[stoic needle]

True

[gusty mirage]

Rupture sniping in dslice would be overkill anyway given that we already have a ton of energy overflow

Like a shit ton of energy wasted

[stoic needle]

In general, it's worth it to Rupture anything that lives longer than 4 seconds

[gusty mirage]

Si

[stoic needle]

But, if you have lots of bleeds out, it's better to envenom instead (that's the gist of the apl changes that whispyr is working on iirc)

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

In practice, just do whatever you can to kill the pride ASAP especially in 15+ keys

[manic pebble]

do you use zoldycks or doomblade on sire?

[tropic ocean]

doomblade

[odd hazel]

Doom, or Zold for P3 Damage

[manic pebble]

I see

[stoic needle]

zoldycks for prog

[odd hazel]

[stoic needle]

I tried out doomblade for fun and it's crazy how big of a difference the damage is in p1/2 lol, from 3-4th on boss damage with zold to easily #1 with doomblade

[compact pumice]

Doomblade is pretty damn good

[vagrant bison]

guys, as rogues can we benefit from logging dungeons? i do that on my tank to see shield block uptime, blocked hits etc but i am not sure on what to look for as assasination

[odd hazel]

i guess if you're looking for a specific thing

SnD uptime, damage taken, did you get interrupts that were there?

did you waste CP

[compact pumice]

You can also see what opener you use on specific packs, see if you can improve there if your dps is low

[balmy condor]

it's always valuable to have replays/logs to review for yourself

but yeah

aside from openers/uptimes and stuff

not really too much to look at

just the basics

[vagrant bison]

well yes, i was wondering what should i be looking for. As example, i compared my spires 16 with another assasination spires 20 and somehow he has 3500 melee hits while i had only 2400

[balmy condor]

are your snd uptimes the same?

is his dungeon longer?

[vagrant bison]

mhhh doubt so

[compact pumice]

Time in combat the same?

[odd hazel]

are you hitting your targets as often?

[stoic widget]

hey guyes

[balmy condor]

these are the questions to ask btw

[vagrant bison]

ah yes

facepalm

[balmy condor]

if you're off the target

won't hit

XD

[vagrant bison]

mine is 33m and his is 47m

[compact pumice]

I mean just looking critically from "another perspective" can do wonders for analyzing your gameplay since you become very aware of how well you're doing at the things you know you need to improve. And the more you look at your own logs the better you get at finding interesting "measures" for yourself. But yeah it's good to find some other logs to check too to see where you differ, and to find places you didn't know you needed improvement on.

[molten beacon]

Hi ! what s your advice about Necro rogue for 9.1 ? ( I see all streamer playing Necro on the PTR)

[vagrant bison]

yeah definetly. Like, i think i am somehow underusing CT because my uptime in the whole dung was 25% and his was 47%

[balmy condor]

advice how exactly

[odd hazel]

I mean, necro is better next patch

if thats what you mean but

[balmy condor]

yeah

idk if it's like a "is it better"

or a "how do I play it single target"

or "how do I aoe"

[odd hazel]

its relatively the same cov wise, Venth for ST and Necro for M+ even more

[balmy condor]

Idk if it's even a pve question tbh

I think pvp people are playing necro too

[compact pumice]

Maybe he needs recommendation of some streamers that aren't playing necro?

[molten beacon]

Yes I need recommendation

It seems they raid in Necro

[dim temple]

is neco bis next patch ?

[odd hazel]

for M+

[dim temple]

ok

[odd hazel]

venth is still ST king

[compact pumice]

Necro wins on cleave though

[odd hazel]

^

[compact pumice]

lots of bosses with adds

in 9.1 raid

[odd hazel]

any moment another target is added necro wins

[dim temple]

is there alot of boss with adds?

so best i guess to go neco now ? 😄

[odd hazel]

if you're that worried yeah, you can realistically play what ever and still perform

[vagrant bison]

actually i found out that the "cheat death" from necro is amazing on assasination cause it allows you to reapply your dots

[compact pumice]

Because of this, there isn't any best choice, and it all depends on how much the two covs differ when it comes to difference between ST, Cleave and 4-5+. I haven't seen any PTR sims or made any myself so I'll just wait until 9.1 is more final.

[odd hazel]

it also depends on if that necro leggo goes live like it is

[compact pumice]

It was shadownerfed recently right?

[odd hazel]

not to sure

havent paid to much attention to PTR really

[dim temple]

I think I am going to wait to the nummbers are in

[odd hazel]

i mean

necro will still be a safe choice if you're main concern is M+. but thats a good idea

[compact pumice]

I have both Covs at 40 renown so I'm fine with whatever

[odd hazel]

i have both venth/necro at 38. cant seem to get 2 renown

[compact pumice]

also if you seriously M+ the damage you bring is the least of your value anyway

[odd hazel]

i also havent been doing the quests that give them lmao

[compact pumice]

When you get to 38 you need to do the 1000 anima and 20 souls weekly to get the last renown

[odd hazel]

yeah, as long as you interrupt, CC things correctly. you do fine

[compact pumice]

because "you're caught up"

[odd hazel]

yeah im just lazy

[compact pumice]

I just do it passively while doing callings and grinding Stygia

[fleet whale]

so isn't it kind of silly if say you complete the venthyr campaign, then you swap to Necrolord and complete that whole campaign?

Their endings are almost exactly the same!

[dawn ivy]

yeah the story is meant to be bringing the covenants together so thats their way of cutting some easy corners

[compact pumice]

I didn't even notice since I did both campaigns on autopilot. I can never understand people who play for the story

[dawn ivy]

the middle of the necro lord campaign is also the middle of the kyrian campaign

granted the kyrian campaign just goes everywhere

[fleet whale]

The Night fae one is kind of just it's own story

[teal bloom]

I enjoy paying attention to the story even though warcraft lore isn't the best

[little moth]

dumb question but do you lose your covenant specific conduits if you swap from venth to necro then back

[balmy condor]

no

everything saves

[misty zenith]

Is it worth going PB on Tyrannical weeks?

[gusty mirage]

no

if we had any real aoe outside of CT you could try to argue shifting the damage a bit is okay. But CT is legit all our aoe because fok sucks

[hollow river]

Hidden blades/poisoned katar tho

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

hidden blades

[hollow river]

Stonks

[gusty mirage]

I'm still wondering wtf they were thinking

[hollow river]

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