probs because you have the haste to support it
#assassination
loud silo
compact pumice
In M+ your main goal is to dot everything up pretty much
stoic needle
Garotte, fan of knives and serrated bone spikes if you're necro are your primary builders
final sky
alright
stoic needle
Mut on ≤3, fok on ≥4
final sky
usually what i do for aoe since im only level 40 currently is ill use a 5 combo point envenom to get the buff and then spam fan of knives to give as many mobs the increased poison damage as possible is that the right thing to do
stoic needle
Ah you don't have crimson tempest yet
final sky
nope
stoic needle
But no, not quite
stoic needle
You want to open with 3 garottes, then fok, (you'd CT after the first fok if you had it), but then you'd start putting up SnD and ruptures
final sky
kk
stoic needle
3cp ruptures are fine, they don't always have to be 4 or 5
final sky
wait if snd is falling off would i not want to use my combo points to activate it again
or is that where i use mutilate
stoic needle
If you're at 4 combo points you should use a finisher unless you can garotte or shiv to get the last one
Oh wait do you even have cut to the chase at 40? I don't think you do
Well, at your level you'll have to use combo points to extend it
But at max level envenom increases the duration of slice and dice
stoic needle
So then you'd use envenom only to extend SnD really, or if there's just a couple mobs left
stoic needle
Deadly and crippling, or deadly and numbing
final sky
kk
stoic needle
At high levels tanks kite mobs a lot so you want to slow them for them
At your level numbing is fine
Also there are some enemies that have dangerous enrages that you'd want to dispel with shiv with mind numbing poison active
compact pumice
For solo stuff, Crippling I find to be nice. For M+ I'd ask the tank unless it's ToP or DoS then Numbing. For raids, numbing.
I hate holding shiv for dispelling enrage as Assa though...
It's always on cooldown when I need it for some reason 
stoic needle
It feels really bad, but it's not a huge deal actually
Shiv practically does nothing in aoe especially if you're target swapping a lot
compact pumice
True, but in DoS and ToP there's like mainly cleave packs where you'd use dispel enrage
WIth numbing poison it does
compact pumice
It does in the tooltip
final sky
cause it just says it slows their casting speed and attack speed
strange python
It does but u have to have numbing poison on
final sky
ohh ok
compact pumice
For both poison and shiv
warped sparrow
It's always on cooldown when I need it for some reason <:kekW:634515837071654931...
thats why you bring a nice hunter and druid, so you can dps in peace 😄 😄
pure sinew
does anyone use the estimated time to die from ert?
compact pumice
thats why you bring a nice hunter and druid, so you can dps in peace 😄 😄
I'm always Outlaw in m+ though so shiv is not useful for anything else
warped sparrow
yeah, we have so much aoe i go mostly for st in assa because thats what our group struggles with
also, my hands hurt after 3 dungeons as outlaw 😄
strange python
I'm curious as to why deadly poison is on my sims is meant to be my top damage but it not even nearly nearly doing the supposed damage?
sacred isle
Easier to answer if you link the sim
strange python
woven plinth
is this one of our best endurance conduits?
pure sinew
this is the most used one in m+
pure sinew
but the one that reduces energy cost on vial
and feitn
and people ague thats even a dps up
actually yeah i dont think you press snd as much on ass rogue
woven plinth
u mean this one ?
woven plinth
okay so ill go get it
sacred isle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wjwHKHhy16vtuRJGXqMcj4
Can’t see anything wrong with the sim so prob should be your top dmg I guess. May have to do with daggers beeing lower ilvl than your gear combined with high haste but smarter ppl might be able to give a better answer
sacred isle
actually yeah i dont think you press snd as much on ass rogue
This doesn’t matter. Tooltip is wrong. I heals as long as snd is up. Casts doesn’t matter
strange python
@sacred isle thanks for that
pure sinew
i see
then yeah thats crazy
i thought you had to hard cast it
so both are good
but 0.5% hp/sec just seems better
sacred isle
And the feint/vial one isn’t a dps increase. It’s a less decrease when you do use vial or feint. Which tbh is probably the least used defensives in the game as they lower your dmg 🙂
limber lion
I'm curious as to why deadly poison is on my sims is meant to be my top damage b...
Because in Details deadly poison is split into 2 different damage breakdowns, the dot and the instant portion.
In raidbots it combines the two.
strange python
The world makes sense now XD
limber lion
If you click the deadly poison in raidbots you can see the damage breakdown of dot/instant damage
:p
Glad to hear it.
strange python
I honestly don't know how I even missed that lmao
woven plinth
that moment you do a world quest to get a conduit then you go turn in your calling open the cache and get the same exact conduit
limber lion
cause it just says it slows their casting speed and attack speed
It says that because you're using crippling poison. Change to numbing and the tooltip will change accordingly.
limber lion
is this one of our best endurance conduits?
I personally use Nimble Fingers more. I use Crimson Vial a lot so it really helps there. I prefer on-demand defensives instead of very, very slight passive healing.
final sky
what conduits am i gonna want
for necro
and ill just use whatever is the reccommended soulbind
limber lion
Heirmir with Sudden Fractures.
Endurance/Fitness conduits are a matter of preference.
final sky
i think ill want endurance
also what stats do i want on my legendary
mastery and haste?
limber lion
Crit and haste
limber lion
That looks awful
ebon thorn
just going with the sims 😔
limber lion
I doubt the sim is telling you to get 30% haste.
You're the first person I've seen that has 30% haste.
ebon thorn
my simc
legit simmed everything, enchants, talents etc
this is supposedly the highest simming i can do
limber lion
Very interesting.
Most people are seeing crit pull ahead as Necro at 25% ish haste.
I'll sim around and see what's up
gloomy fern
whould have been more convincing if u did a top gear sim and not quick sim 
gloomy fern
are u simming with diff gem/ench variations
limber lion
I am now.
gloomy fern
mean mr otehr guy
gloomy fern
i got 21% haste and i still want crit > all but im venth
limber lion
Maybe your character is a massive exception to that rule, who knows why
But once this sim finishes, we'll see
gloomy fern
im a 300k iteration gamer
fallen fable
Guys on mythic councils is there point of bleeding and poisoning second and third boss while fighting first one?
limber lion
Guys on mythic councils is there point of bleeding and poisoning second and thir...
Yes, you should have one extra boss affected by both Garrote and Rupture.
fallen fable
Can i know why? Just want to understand why i do it
limber lion
Because you get more energy from having them up on a secondary target.
More energy = more damage on your main target
oak trout
hmm 5.8k dps with 205 ilvl on sludge, not bad
fallen fable
More energy from Venomous proc?
limber lion
More energy from Venomous proc?
From Venomous Wounds, yes.
desert inlet
are we panicking about Doomblade and 9.1 raid sockets yet
limber lion
Changing a neck and the gem in your hat will be a dps boost.
fallen fable
Cool, one more thing, should i stick to st talents or Elaborate planing+vigor combination?
limber lion
Cool, one more thing, should i stick to st talents or Elaborate planing+vigor co...
EP + Vigor is better for fights with multiple targets.
limber lion
are we panicking about Doomblade and 9.1 raid sockets yet
Nah.
fallen fable
Okey. Ty very much for helping :)
desert inlet
okay let me know when panic time starts
spice spire
okay let me know when panic time starts
No panic here, just vibing
limber lion
okay let me know when panic time starts
Pretty sure it'll be when the pre-patch hits.
limber lion
That looks better
spice spire
Wait 
wooden sun
Are you always out of energy as a sin?
Im currently trying it out on heroics are always out of energy
Using planning and vigor
And Im Necro
limber lion
Are you always out of energy as a sin?
Not really.
spice spire
Not really - it’s not 8.3 fast but I have energy a fair amount of time
What’s your ilvl?
limber lion
In AoE especially you never really run out of energy.
wooden sun
217
limber lion
You just need to make sure you have bleeds up on everything
wooden sun
602 haste
limber lion
Garrote/Rupture everything
spice spire
Yeah you 100% should be doing fine in energy
wooden sun
In ST Im always out of energy :(
spice spire
There’s a few second downtime every now and then
wooden sun
Melee is my highest dmg 
ebon thorn
what do you play in AoE @limber lion terms of talents
limber lion
what do you play in AoE <@!165215952479322112> terms of talents
EP/Subt/Vig/CT
limber lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ifQcWZYCeTiVFPDJMc8MK
Oh look it's almost the highest for me too
And for everyone else
That's very often the case early on in new expansions
And for many melee specs, not just for Assassination
wooden sun
Mhmmm okay
Just feels weird to be autoing
Only have 8 days on Rogue and they were all outlaw
And trying out sin for raid
Would it mainly be because of weapons?
limber lion
Not really. It's just how scaling works. Once we get more items, more agility, more borrowed power, etc. then our melee will start to plummet and other abilities will show up top.
odd heath
Not really. It's just how *scaling* works. Once we get more items, more agility,...
So are you saying that.... Assassin scales?
limber lion
In BFA there were some cases where melee wasn't our highest damage, but that was mainly because of all the borrowed power that we got straight away in 8.0.
warped sparrow
😂😂😂😂😂
wooden sun
Big brain
compact pumice
/cast Mutilate /stopattack
Ur just @focus target all abilites and just target the main tank
dark crag
Or have a bug reset the melee swing
spice spire
I’ve gone stinky 
I do hate the renown grind 
compact pumice
It was quite quick going LFR into Normal raid, then Heroic
Got quite a bit of renown that way in a day
spice spire
Yeah I started LFR last night and I’m at like renown 8?
I am doing the story quest in between as it’s a long queue
spice spire
I actually didn’t know you could question lfr and heroics at the same time 
I knew you could do two wings at once
spice spire
I’ll try tonight
I also can do the world boss for that SF conduit 
compact pumice
Queue's are quick after that first pop, after that you're high on the queue for all the other wings
spice spire
Yeah and raid was canceled today so we’re either doing keys or heroic tonight and that’ll help as well
Raid being canceled is what lead me to make the swap 
spice spire
Yeah, SBS feels nice by quite a bit
hollow river
I love SBS but man I see other rogue in raid burstin 15k dps
compact pumice
You didn't like doing the soulbind swap strat @limber lion ?
hollow river
Feelsbadman
limber lion
You didn't like doing the soulbind swap strat <@!165215952479322112> ?
I do, but there's not much point when I'm private logging with my new guild now.
wooden sun
What is this class... 3.5k Council 77% parse on Heroic?
limber lion
I did it to improve my logs but there's no logs to be had, so what's the point :p
spice spire
I was like “my ST went way down, wtf?” And I forgot my trinket was macro’d to flag
spice spire
What is this class... 3.5k Council 77% parse on Heroic?
Lotta intermission on quick kills
compact pumice
I do, but there's not much point when I'm private logging with my new guild now.
Ouf, sounds so annoying to private log
Parsing is half the fun
gloomy fern
hmm cev swapped his mog to legion shoulders after he saw me with it 
limber lion
hmm cev swapped his mog to legion shoulders after he saw me with it <:think:8248...
I swapped because I got Invincible. :3
Had to make a scuffed mog to fit it
spice spire
I swapped because I got Invincible. :3
Ayo?! Grats
limber lion
Parsing is half the fun
Yep. Guess I'll be a heroic log andy for a while now
gloomy fern
i will be inactive andy 3 days game time left 
limber lion
What is this class... 3.5k Council 77% parse on Heroic?
Similar to Outlaw.
limber lion
Something like that yes.
You keep all of your maintenance stuff up and use everything on cooldown.
spice spire
Maintain slice and dice
compact pumice
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
Do cooldowns
limber lion
It's pretty simple.
spice spire
Etc
somber breach
Curious, if running lashing, what is the min cp to spend on? Or is squeezing out those last few lashes not really worth
craggy oak
For subderfuge st do we ever double garrote for extened empowered garrote
low girder
no, not on ST. just the once.
low girder
the extra CPs helped a lot with that too
45 energy on 1 CP for like 4 seconds on garrote, not really worth
low girder
Curious, if running lashing, what is the min cp to spend on? Or is squeezing out...
no minimum, it's not shown a gain to try and squeeze out more stacks, just do as many finishers as possible while still following the max -1 rule
craggy oak
Ok tyty, what about sub 30% with zolds up, useing vanish in this scenario obviously
somber breach
no minimum, it's not shown a gain to try and squeeze out more stacks, just do as...
Ty. Then I'll just pray for extra cp
low girder
np
and he's talking about double garrote with subterfuge during zoldyck
but i don't think that changes anything
warm parcel
O
craggy oak
Ye that mata
warm parcel
Right even that no. Misread it as the lash
spice spire
Curious, if running lashing, what is the min cp to spend on? Or is squeezing out...
I’m unsure what you mean here, could you elaborate?
plain thistle
he is probably asking if its worth doing a 2-3 cp finisher if lashing buff is almost ending
alpine latch
He's asking if lashing is about to run out, should you use 2CP on it or just let it run out?
plain thistle
pretty sure nothing changes, you do max - 1 cp finisher like normal, even with lash on
low girder
yep
spice spire
Yeah you just let it run out
I just wanted to clarify that was the question was all lol
spice spire
F
strange python
how does necro feel for assa in 9.1 PTR ? I am thinking whether I should level the renown. I hate necro but I see more and more rogues going for it even now
somber breach
I’m unsure what you mean here, could you elaborate?
During flag window. Min cp to spend to get the most out of lashes. Wasn't sure if there was a point where it was ok to spend less than normal. Sometimes you just get really unlucky ig
limber lion
how does necro feel for assa in 9.1 PTR ? I am thinking whether I should level t...
It's great and probably the preferred choice for raiding and m+.
strange python
fucking hell.. very well then
alpine latch
I'm torn between completing my r4 Zolydyck and just stockpiling soul ash for 9.1... 😦
timber basalt
9.1 is not for a couple of months at least
and you'll be getting more ash in 9.1 itself
alpine latch
Yeah but Zoldyck more than likely won't even be used in 9.1
limber lion
Might be.
timber basalt
why not
alpine latch
Maybe, depends on how hard the SBS leggo gets fucked
limber lion
During flag window. Min cp to spend to get the most out of lashes. Wasn't sure i...
Always max-1. No exceptions.
strange python
You probably perform worse on it if it sucks to play
i hate the Necrolord covenant itself, not the ability 😄 the zone, the transport system is the worst of the 4, and all about it.
somber breach
Ty ty
limber lion
You can still stick to Venthyr.
Venth will most likely still be the ST choice
And by no means is it a bad covenant.
strange python
understood. thank you
limber lion
As long as you don't play Kyrian, you're good!
timber basalt
tbh i actually like seat of the primus now
low girder
also extremely strong for sub going forward, if that takes your fancy. 'tis a large buff. but can't really go wrong with either.
timber basalt
it's better than heart of the forest or sinfall
plain thistle
sbs is great
limber lion
Sbs is my favorite ability.
alpine latch
why not
The reason I say something like Zoldyck won't be used is because currently (without simming anything), the SBS legendary for Necro just flat out looks stronger. Also, the Shards of Domination are going to switch up Leggos, as a r5 Shard is worth 1.5% DPS and Doomblade is only 1% DPS better ST than Dashing Scoundrel. (Both Doomblade spots takes up a raid socket, DS doesn't).
odd heath
I miss soulshape tho
low girder
afaik the domination sockets have a cap lower than what you'd get if you ran all the slots. i'd have to double check that though.
alpine latch
There is a 3-piece bonus that activates in the Maw and Torghast... but I've seen nothing at all about a "cap" on stats
timber basalt
uhhh do we know what the shards actually are?
alpine latch
low girder
we do
alpine latch
We do
Unholy Offensive is probably going to be the best because it's a flat 1.5% bonus at rank 5
timber basalt
where are the rogue ones
low girder
for now
timber basalt
i saw that article but it only has DK shards?
low girder
but either way, i'd doubt they'd punish specific slot legendaries like that, especially since there's no refunding. that's a wait and see for now.
mint anvil
Ima just to the clever thing, and wait for whisp to pin what the fuck i’m suppose to build/use next tier
theorycrafting above me
timber basalt
sorry, I'm confused now - there are different shards for tank/dps/healer? or different for each class & spec?
or you just get 3 different types
low girder
those are all the effects, for everyone
you pick which one you want
if you have 3 of the same (blood/frost/unholy) you get a buff
timber basalt
wait, the types are actually called blood and frost and unholy?
low girder
yes
timber basalt
sonic schooner
XD
timber basalt
surely someone at blizzard thought "this might be confusing"
sacred isle
The entire intro to this expansion was dk related so not to surprising tbh. Prob a hint to runeforging
low girder
well, this is the company that made 52 iterations of corruption so, lol
or however many that math came out to
alpine latch
I'm pretty sure Blizzard thought, "People are adults and realize that just because something's called 'Blood' doesn't mean that ONLY Blood DKs can use it."
timber basalt
considering datamining comes in batches, I thought they only mined the first class' shards
gusty mirage
The reason I say something like Zoldyck won't be used is because currently (with...
Current deathspike was already simmed. It’s about the same as Zoldyk (less than 0.5% if I remember correctly), so you’d probably still use zoldyk for the execute damage on progression
But we won’t know for sure until everything goes live 
alpine latch
I'm hoping it comes down to "use whatever you want they are so close it doesn't matter"
low girder
always the hope, i would not hold my breath 
alpine latch
People will still say "But this is 0.03% better so the other one is unplayable!"
But fuck them
gloomy rose
I mean they dont really change the gameplay too much right
gusty mirage
I mean in theory unless you’re pushing world first content, you can and should play what you want unless it’s something silly like the maw rat leggo. Right?
warm parcel
Any duskgamers 
alpine latch
If there was a legendary that had a chance to proc fleshcraft shield on finisher... That might actually be dope af.
gusty mirage
Plus I’m a huge advocate of playing something that you have fun with. If you enjoy it, you’ll just perform better where if there’s something simming 1% better but you hate the play style that 1% gap would shrink simply because you play worse with it
But this is just 
on my end
alpine latch
Some legendaries just smooth shit out
Cinders on Destro Warlock is a great example of that
It just FEELS better once you have that
steep reef
hey guys good morning
limber lion
Any duskgamers <:etu:620729405689430057>
limber lion
So we actually want Zoldyck on boots, not pants
Well if you're planning on killing Mythic Kel'thuzad, then yeah.
alpine latch
I'm thinking because of the sockets
I'm assuming 90% of this Discord will kill 2-3 Mythic bosses and no more.
gusty mirage
People worry about legendary slots a bit too much IMO. Horde (heh) your soul ash from now until 9.1 and just see where the rest of ptr takes us
limber lion
Plus I’m a huge advocate of playing something that you have fun with. If you enj...
Yep. Don't play the most optimal stuff if you absolutely despise the playstyle and hate every second of it. A difference as small as that won't be the defining factor whether or not you parse purple or orange. It's a video game, have fun in it.
alpine latch
Well, my guild is still progressing so I actually need to upgrade my r2 Zolds to r4
gloomy rose
the question is if you want to have worse stats for majority of the tier just for the off chance of killing mythic KT and get the drop
alpine latch
No
The question is do you want an extra Shard of Domination gem that gives you 1.5% DPS
Or not
gusty mirage
Well, my guild is still progressing so I actually need to upgrade my r2 Zolds to...
Stop at rank 3, rank 3->4 isn’t that big of a dps gain tbh
limber lion
I'm assuming 90% of this Discord will kill 2-3 Mythic bosses and no more.
Well most of the regulars here are gamers.
alpine latch
Well most of the regulars here are gamers.
Yeah, but world wide less than 2000 guilds have killed Mythic Sire
limber lion
Yeah, but world wide less than 2000 guilds have killed Mythic Sire
Well, you were talking about 2-3 bosses and only this discord.
Now you're saying the world and Mythic Sire.
alpine latch
Sure
limber lion
They're two different things.
alpine latch
But obviously the more bosses, the fewer people have done it.
limber lion
Yep
alpine latch
IMO it's more important for us plebs to optimize more than the world first. We simply aren't as good and need any "free" benefit we can get outside of just playing better
gloomy rose
I actually think the exact opposite, people that are not that great dont need to talk about +- 30 dps difference in sims, because there are bigger issues with the playstyle or mechanics
wary ice
gusty mirage
I can confidently say my rank 4 legendaries have nothing to do with my parses
I got good parses with rank 3 legendaries, the little bit of agi and secondary stats are minimal in the grand scheme of it all
limber lion
IMO it's more important for us plebs to optimize more than the world first. We s...
I also do disagree but I can understand your point of view as well.
alpine latch
I look at it like this - "being better" is always the BEST choice. Someone who just performs better will almost always win in terms of damage when comparably geared.
limber lion
Worse players should spend more time and energy improving themselves instead of optimizing for 20 dps. Human error, fight length etc. matters more than any piece of gear or talent ever will.
desert inlet
You're also not going to get the full value of that optimization if you're playing stinky anyway
gusty mirage
Sure you should always want to be better if you play this game to be the best. But at the end of the day it’s much like people who try to hit certain stat thresholds: it’s mostly in your head as it’s really a minuscule amount of dps you’re minmaxinf
alpine latch
Everyone has different skill caps. "Getting better" sounds very easy - but for some people it's just not.
limber lion
A lot of people actually perform worse on "optimized" setups because they are not familiar with them or they simply do not enjoy them.
The placebo of playing something that you like will carry you further than an "optimal talent" that does 20 dps more, but that you hate.
I have a friend who never played the Starlord talent as a Boomkin because he hated it
alpine latch
yeah
limber lion
After I told him to get used to it and play more with it, he eventually swapped and his dps plummetted
gusty mirage
The placebo of playing something that you like will carry you further than an "o...
Case in point: I couldn’t do shit for damage with ghostly strike when I played outlaw. When it’s clearly the superior choice ST
limber lion
After he swapped back to whatever he was playing before, he was performing a lot better all of a sudden
gloomy rose
for me vigor / ds is great example of this, theres not much difference, but just because with vigor I generally just mutilate twice and finish makes it way more simple and I can pay more attention to mechanics than to think for that quarter of a second if to muti again or finisher already
gusty mirage
Your comfort with the play style > 50-100 dps from the superior set up
limber lion
I always try to optimize myself for the absolute highest damage for every encounter, but I don't think that's a required thing or even a preferred thing for people who are raiding at the lower ladder.
gusty mirage
Absolute min-maxing really only matters if you’re on a deadline to clear content (world first, hall of fame, highest keys in the world, etc)
limber lion
If you enjoy min-maxing and you want to do it, do it!
dark crag
Play what you like and have fun
limber lion
If you hate it, don't do it. Who cares.
alpine latch
I've always said - there are survival hunters who get CE
dark crag
The moment my raid says i can't play sub on farm i will get the hell out
alpine latch
Just because something is "bad" doesn't mean it's unplayable
gusty mirage
100% you can clear all content with whatever you want. Eventually gear gets better and dps checks get less tight
dark crag
Currently i get memed in guild discord because i played sub on slg and did a 75% log while the others have green parses but did a bit more dps
gusty mirage
Yeah I got roasted for my 99 parse on heroic sludge because I was 7th on the meters
desert inlet
gusty mirage
Cev blue parsing?! the world is ending
limber lion
Tactics changed so my dps went to the trash bin
alpine latch
I'm setting r1 item level parses like it's my fucking job...
limber lion
Item level parses are irrelevant
alpine latch
My overall parses are getting better too
gloomy fern
Tactics changed so my dps went to the trash bin
tell me about it, i am fucking green on slg from going on 10 min kill timers to like a 6 min and died last phase 
gloomy fern
and there was like 0 dmg spreading and only st in intermissions due to speed run and shit
never lucky
should just pad anyway
sin dots do 0 dmg
dark crag
I really hope 9.1 mythic is mostly st with movement without melee uptime loss
limber lion
sin dots do 0 dmg
You say that, but they actually pump
grand ridge
I got a r1 ilvl parse. That other rogue didn't stand a chance 😎
gloomy rose
I've always said - there are survival hunters who get CE
thats true, but I suppose not all people have such a strong position in the group that would let them play whatever they want
inland hull
Assassination parses are pretty respectable overall. Turns out my parses are... well pretty bad. Maybe "Imma stab it" isn't really optimizing.
gloomy rose
like in all guilds I have been people have been pushed to change spec just so that the fights get easier
I don't agree with it, I think execution > class or spec, but thats just how it is
dark crag
I can't wait to laugh when all the aoe no st shitters get back to reality
gloomy rose
I can't wait to laugh when all the aoe no st shitters get back to reality
people in my guild keep talking about "uncapped aoe" as being the biggest deal, like where do you need the uncapped aoe nowadays
even most m+ runs I have been in don't make huge pulls where uncapped aoe would come into play
dark crag
The only uncapped aoe i know is the full room trash pull before hungering
alpine latch
I just want to get my rogue to getting full blue parses across the board and then I'll be happy. Baby steps.
limber lion
Gotta start from somewhere :p
alpine latch
Hell yeah
This will be my 4th week of raiding
Poor rogue turns a month old on Sunday night
compact pumice
The only uncapped aoe i know is the full room trash pull before hungering
First phase mythic sire is a bit more than 20 adds
dark crag
I have 2 grey sire parses of 2 kills and get memed while all others were grey in their 2 first kills too and still parse grey, but i am the bad one
alpine latch
I've died on both of my Mythic Shriekwing kills 😦
I swear my guild purposefully tries to cover the fucking room in red
compact pumice
How do you die in shriekwing though?
gusty mirage
How do you die in shriekwing though?
Someone probably missed the only instruction on that fight “don’t drop shit on the lantern”
alpine latch
Every now and then my screen goes black. I don't know if it's my GPU or just the driver keeps crashing because of something fucked in my registry
Usually happens once every 2-3 days if I don't reboot
teal bloom
I pugged mythic shriekwing and died so my only public parse is 5% because my heroic guild private logs lol
limber lion
I pugged mythic shriekwing and died so my only public parse is 5% because my her...
Heroic guild private logging? 
That's a first that I've ever heard of.
alpine latch
Oh fuck. I'm VERY behind on huntsman... lol
Oh hey, there's Cev at spot #10 on Huntsman
teal bloom
Idk why. If i remember correctly, all of my parses are between 68 and 88 on heroic so not really good but it's my first tier raiding ever
alpine latch
Idk why. If i remember correctly, all of my parses are between 68 and 88 on hero...
Why don't you just personal log?
If my guild told me I couldn't log something, I'd find a new guild.
carmine token
ran with some randos last night for mythic 1-3, tell me how i can improve https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZdD8TqBxGC1vPh2m#fight=11&type=damage-done
please and thanks <3
teal bloom
No one has ever talked about the private logging and I haven't bothered to ask why just not make them public. The guild has really nice atmosphere but there aren't enough people willing to try mythic so I'll probably have to leave at some point :(
stoic needle
The reason I say something like Zoldyck won't be used is because currently (with...
Where did you see that a r5 shard is 1.5% dps?
alpine latch
Portentous Shard of Dyz - Portentous Shard of Dyz: Damaging a target increases your damage done to that target by 0.5% for 4 sec, stacking up to 3 times.
Unholy - Offensive gem
slow marsh
Nutty bleeds
Are you rupturing everything in sight and then CT and keep garrote on sire/Ramona or how are you playing p2
stoic needle
` Portentous Shard of Dyz - Portentous Shard of Dyz: Damaging a target increase...
That's not 1.5% dps though, it's 1.5% extra damage
slow marsh
Yeah that's two very different things
stoic needle
It's slightly different
Otherwise vendetta would increase our dps by 30% and it doesn't
slow marsh
I am interested though in seeing how much the gems will affect leggos though. Cuz aren't the sockets farmable (kind of) from torgy ?
stoic needle
Not domination sockets
They are only on raid gear
But your general conclusion is possibly correct if they don't add a way to put domination gems on legendaries
slow marsh
I see and the Dom sockets are the only ones that get the new gems right
stoic needle
Yeah
Any leggo that's in head/shoulders/chest/gloves/boots will need a recraft if the gems are powerful enough
slow marsh
But I thought there is a cloak that has a socket too in raid
stoic needle
No
I looked on the ptr yesterday those are the only slots
And they all only have 1 now
slow marsh
Oh so they changed it then
stoic needle
When they had 1-3 before which made it a lot more flexible
slow marsh
I see
stoic needle
Idk why they'd do that
slow marsh
So basically we are gonna have to either craft the suboptimal leggo expecting to get a socket drop or hoard mats and recraft based on socket drops? Seems very blizzard
stoic needle
Legendary bases are dirt cheap now so idrc
Like a 235 cloak is literally 10k gold
I just don't like the idea of crafting a legendary in the worst possible slot for no real reason
slow marsh
Yeah idc about the bases either I'm thinking more about the soul cinders or whatever it is
stoic needle
When they could have multiple slots
pale fossil
Any leggo that's in head/shoulders/chest/gloves/boots will need a recraft if the...
I wonder what this is going to do for leggos that can only go in one of those slots.
Like isn't Doomblade Shoulders and Gloves only?
stoic needle
If the gems are powerful enough, we wouldn't use doomblade anymore and wed use dashing scoundrel
Since it's less than 1% worse
But some classes are worse off and have legendaries that are 5%+ apart
pale fossil
Scoundrel sounds fun
stoic needle
Akaaris is pretty dead for sub now if the gems are good because it's head and gloves only
spice spire
I think it’s difficult to predict what’s going to happen until it’s fully announced. I know that’s half the fun but doing gymnastics on hypotheticals is spinning your wheels for possibly 0 gain
stoic needle
Obedience is huge for sub so it'll probably stay bis
I mean I'm not really doing anything about it just yet, just thinking
pale fossil
Oh totally. I'm running Thorghast just to reduce the grind later, but I'm not going to craft anything until 9.1 comes out and we've got some stuff confirmed.
odd heath
U Just need to have 3 pieces actually.. and no even complete the set if I understood correctly
U get the offensive gem for each type
For dps increase
slow marsh
I mean I think it's good to be thinking about it though at some level
stoic needle
U Just need to have 3 pieces actually.. and no even complete the set if I unders...
But the gems are likely to be large dps increases on their own
slow marsh
Maybe not get dead set on stuff but nothing wrong with getting a feel for what might be coming down the pipeline regardless if it's final or not
odd heath
But the gems are likely to be large dps increases on their own
Yes, but only 3 of them matter
For dps
stoic needle
Not really
spice spire
I know - it’s a lot of thought for just a possibility though. I think having thoughts is fine And If you want to do more that’s also fine. I just wouldn’t have branching plans in place for x, y, or z yet
stoic needle
It's very possible that a gem in a vacuum is more dps than the difference between two legendaries
spice spire
But that’s also why I’m a middling rogue
stoic needle
Depending on which ones you're talking about
slow marsh
Do we know if like the UH gem stacks on itself or is it unique equip
odd heath
You take the 3 offensive gems
spice spire
If Doomblade is out, deathspike is in?!?!
odd heath
U don't need to make the sets
stoic needle
The only limit they've said so far is that you can only have 5 maximum
alpine latch
Yes, but only 3 of them matter
That's not even remotely true...
stoic needle
They aren't unique equipped
alpine latch
All 5 gems matter. The "3 gems" is for a set bonus that applies to the Maw and Torghast only
odd heath
They are unique equiped
earnest bramble
Its kinda hard finding info about it, but necro sin, do you use the Sudden fractures conduit for m+ and st?
stoic needle
Ok well that's new because they weren't a day or two ago
alpine latch
Yeah, they definitely weren't last I looked.
stoic needle
Its kinda hard finding info about it, but necro sin, do you use the Sudden fract...
Yes it's best for all content currently
odd heath
stoic needle
Except sludgefist
alpine latch
that had to be the most recent PTR patch that changed htat
earnest bramble
Yes it's best for all content currently
thanks!
odd heath
On the phone
alpine latch
Yeah, that's new
But then again a week ago one of the items had 3 sockets
So that doesn't surprise me
spice spire
Its kinda hard finding info about it, but necro sin, do you use the Sudden fract...
Just looked it up myself as I just swapped!
stoic needle
So you'll possibly want 3 for your set and two of the dps ones from the sets you don't have
It all depends on how much dps they are individually
odd heath
The set doesn't work on raids from what I understood
slow marsh
Yes itndoes
odd heath
Only maw and torghast
alpine latch
Correct, it's Maw/Torghast only
slow marsh
The raid
stoic needle
Sanctum of domination is the maw
slow marsh
Is in the maw
odd heath
Hmmmmm
alpine latch
Blood Link - While inside the Maw or Torghast, damaging an enemy establishes a Blood Link. Blood Link pulses every 3 sec, dealing 0 Shadow damage and healing you for 100% of damage dealt. If your Blood Link would overheal you, it instead heals a nearby ally. Limit 1.
slow marsh
And it says specifically including in the raid
alpine latch
What about this says it works in the raid?
stoic needle
The buff that you get while in the raid
There's a picture of it in the article
You wouldn't get the buff in the raid if it didn't work in the raid
alpine latch
Mother fucker. So it's in the text of WowHead but not the tooltip of the buff
That's so dumb
slow marsh
alpine latch
Yup. It's in the text
alpine latch
But it's not in the tooltip
slow marsh
I mean ptr tooltips what do you expect
spice spire
Pretty sure it was insinuated since it’s part of the maw? Stupidly though?
odd heath
Ye lol
odd heath
So ye.. 3 of the dps gems and 2 of the best set..
spice spire
Like blizzard over explains things that need 0 explanation and underexplains everything else
slow marsh
UH and 2 bloods?
odd heath
Pretty shit having to make new leggo spots tbh
slow marsh
Is the 50% max HP or current hp? Like is it supposed to be execute
odd heath
This system definitely needs testing lol
stoic needle
So it'd be dps, tertiary, defensive from your set, and then the other 2 dps
slow marsh
So just 3 UH and one of each of the offensive
odd heath
I'm not on ptr, so can't .. and also working atm
slow marsh
That honestly seems so much more boring than it could've been
odd heath
That honestly seems so much more boring than it could've been
It is very boring
stoic needle
I think the set bonuses are cool
alpine latch
We do
odd heath
We do
stoic needle
Those should've been the actual gem effects imo
slow marsh
NVM
pale fossil
We know the what the potential set bonus is. Reminder that everything on the PTR is subject to change.
slow marsh
Interesting
limber lion
Are you rupturing everything in sight and then CT and keep garrote on sire/Ramon...
Yes pretty much. Bleeds for days.
pale fossil
Do you Rupture on everything prior to getting CT onto them?
stoic needle
I think rupture is prio over ct at 2 targets
pale fossil
Talking specifically about the Cabalist spawns, since those are lower priority than the named adds.
stoic needle
But at 3 or 4 ct is prio
pale fossil
I assume it's more important to keep bleeds on Sire/Remornia than apply them to Cabalists and have Sire's fall off for a couple seconds.
Do you guys use a Mouseover macro for Rupture or nah?
amber mountain
Cabalists have to be priority, and i have a mouseover macro for both rupture and garrote (and kick, and blind, and so many many things)
slow marsh
Nope just my tab key and debiffs on plates
amber mountain
I still get flustered trying to tab target 😕
slow marsh
There's only 4 targets in that moment so it's honestly not bad at all
pale fossil
Cabalists have to be priority, and i have a mouseover macro for both rupture and...
I use it for Kick and SBS only at the moment. My group doesn't prioritize Cabalists because we have a lot of passive Cleave in our raid group.
grand echo
If you use mouse over to apply rupture does it also apply deathly poison?
amber mountain
Ah, my raid group doesn't
slow marsh
But I do keys as sin so I'm used to that I guess
stoic needle
My garotte and ruptures are mouseover and it really helps a lot
spice spire
Tab n stab only
pale fossil
If you use mouse over to apply rupture does it also apply deathly poison?
This is a good question.
slow marsh
CT does so that'd be weird
stoic needle
Well ct has an initial hit
pure moth
My garotte and ruptures are mouseover and it really helps a lot
How did you write it out? Couldn't get the mouse over to work
stoic needle
Garotte and rupture don't
slow marsh
True
stoic needle
One sec I'm logging on
grand echo
Yeah coz I think you also want them to get the poison debuff but if you mouse over you don't get it. Ofc there is CT and fok
stoic needle
Divine bell wq is up in bastion btw ;)
stoic needle
For NA
spice spire
Divine bell wq is up in bastion btw ;)
slow marsh
even though imo its degen
stoic needle
One of us
ONE OF US
It's unironically good for sub in m+ so it's not a bad idea to get it if you see it
slow marsh
My Shadowgrasp totem from this week has been pumping in m+ tho
If anything I can troll my boomie friend that doesnt have it
stoic needle
Boo it's 194
I already have a 194 with leech
I need the 203 from the epic calling
slow marsh
I wonder if the wq rewards will get bumped up or how that will work next patch
New wq rewards? Bell 2.0?
grand echo
Got 233 dreadfire two times in a row from vault but this week it had also leech so it's an upgrade 
spice spire
Probably will be bumped as your renown goes
stoic needle
Got 233 dreadfire two times in a row from vault but this week it had also leech ...
consider buying a lottery ticket
frigid kestrel
OK so check this out, I just started using Plater and its fucking awesome. I have been to stubborn to use it because someone who i didnt like suggested one time, and im a human with pride issues, but i finally broke. Anyone have any good profiles before i get too use to the stock profile i got?
frigid kestrel
Bet, thanks
stoic needle
that's the one i made
looks slightly diff from the screenshot now but people seem to like it
frigid kestrel
Gotcha
stoic needle
changes colors with serrated bone spike and a couple other neat things
pale fossil
That will likely be better than mine. Mine's just a pretty stock one I tinkered with the debuff display haha
stoic needle
yeah i went through and blacklisted a bunch of unimportant buffs from the nameplates as well
frigid kestrel
Appreciate everything, i hate it when my pride makes me miss out on something good
stoic needle
Ok I just checked, mouseover dotting does not apply poisons
pale fossil
Tab targeting master race it is
stoic needle
hehe
i still like mouseovers because it lets you keep auto attacking the priority target while spreading dots around
pale fossil
Oh totally.
stoic needle
which i feel like is relevant in a situation like the named adds
candid token
Silly question for Mythic Sludgefist. I have a 220 Phial, 220 IQD, 220 Dreadfire, 226 Skulker and 226 Memory of Past shins. I see most people run Dreadfire and Memory and a bit of phial, but most peeps have 233 Dreadfires or 226 good trinkets.. What would be best for me to run?
pale fossil
I would just go with what the ST sim says, but yeah you want whatever's going to give you pillar burst.
Which I would imagine are the instant-damage trinkets over the buff ones.
stoic needle
yeah it doesn't
candid token
Simcity likes IQD, but Im not sure how viable that would be on sludge
stoic needle
it is viable
it gives ridiculous burst on the 2nd and 4th pillars
if you are geared for crit, and it gives the crit stat during lust, when you vanish you have 100% crit
but i'm unsure if that is strictly better than having an on-use damage trinket for every pillar
its definitely viable tho
candid token
Are there any other little things I should do with my gear that could help for pillar burst?
Or is it mostly the same as usual
stoic needle
using 2 on use trinkets is pretty much the only thing
candid token
Arrighty, big thanks for the help ^-^
alpine latch
I need to start tweaking my Plater some more.
spare python
is it better to play assassination or outlaw in tyrannical week ?
carmine token
well, i ran a 15pf yesterday, and adds die by the time you add all the dots to them. so maybe outlaw is more fun, upto you?
spice spire
is it better to play assassination or outlaw in tyrannical week ?
It’s almost always better to play outlaw in M+ outright
Because our add damage is bleeds which take time, but still aren’t quite as much damage as outlaw.
carmine token
I have better daggers, and im venth, so i roll 'sin in m+ lately. I will say outlaw feels a bit more chaotic
spice spire
If you’re having issues with bosses in your group - sin might be Deece. But I can’t ever say that sin is better than OL in M+
Sin’s also not a horrible choice - but just slightly worse
spare python
hm ok thx i think i go for outlaw
pseudo hamlet
Is there any ultra RaidBotter? 
Did a few simulations and I am wondering if I could squeeze some more DPS:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9UQLdvdQspGZQevzFVfmkB
compact pumice
I think it does help you do a lot more dps
Just by making better gear choices, soulbinds, enchants, gems etc
And also rotation stuff
warm parcel
With what he has in the sim
Theres literally nothing that would be noticeable
Even a new dagger would be like +40 dps
Its not like one has intellect trinket on or sword in mainhand
pseudo hamlet
Raidbotting doesnt give dps
Yupsy, but better gear does indeed.
pseudo hamlet
Was just wondering if there's some kind of different choice of gear I am missing.
spice spire
You’re fine at this point
pseudo hamlet
I guess so. Thanks!
alpine latch
Did you guys see the Plagueboarer bullshittery Echo just did?
They +2d a 30 Plaguefall
hollow river
Lmaoo
spice spire
Ye
alpine latch
So fucking dumb...
spice spire
Double heals and MC 🙂
scenic root
I find the silence really helpful to control packs compared to OL. Pesky casters get grouped nice to let the caster aoe.
spice spire
I find the silence really helpful to control packs compared to OL. Pesky casters...
It is nice! But they do have the extra gouge!
amber mountain
They +2d a 30 Plaguefall
Missed it on a conference call for work. Got a link to a VOD yet?
scenic root
Yeah situational. Did a HoA 17, wipes before first boss as OL cause melee heavy group and struggled with getting adds grouped. Reset down to 16, went sin and smooth run from all those casters getting silenced. Depends on the dungeon and if you need hard cc or not
alpine latch
Missed it on a conference call for work. Got a link to a VOD yet?
Basically, they abused Plagueboarers
Cylclone to immune it, mage sheep or priest MC to heal it
MC also gets it to insta-cast explosion again
placid pagoda
Is necro viable with sin?
spice spire
I swapped last night, even at 5 renown, AoE/Cleave feels even better than expected. Inb4 
gusty mirage
I swapped last night, even at 5 renown, AoE/Cleave feels even better than expec...
welcome home
We have a basket on the right of the entrance where you can pick up your third arm
balmy condor
I swapped last night, even at 5 renown, AoE/Cleave feels even better than expec...
God it just feels so good 
gusty mirage
Just slap that bad boy on a shoulder pad and you’re good to go
spice spire
God it just feels so good <:Ahegao:539255884254019599>
Uh whispyr you okay?
spice spire
Just slap that bad boy on a shoulder pad and you’re good to go
Ahhh yes excellent, the downgrade in mog
gusty mirage
Uh whispyr you okay? <:monkaW:675691826505711626>
Oh you missed the shit show in wowgen and subtlety last night
balmy condor
gusty mirage
Whispyr may be on his last brain cells after dealing with that
spice spire
He’s put up with a lotta shit in RH alone. Then your guild
gusty mirage
I asked someone to save the man none of you did anything you just watched him suffer you sick fucks
spice spire
I mean I’m sure he could get into any 6/10 guild he wanted
gusty mirage
As much as I love a good shit show, imma pass chief.
Recap in TLDR format: sub sucks and will suck in 9.1 and people should jump ship, also sims don’t matter because the same guy knew that deathly was better
spice spire
There’s a discord server FULL of em recruiting
spice spire
Recap in TLDR format: sub sucks and will suck in 9.1 and people should jump ship...
Ohhhh the screenshots from this morning?
gusty mirage
It was a wild ride
royal lantern
Whispyr still has brain cells <:poggers:652288776021999626>
maybe 3
gusty mirage
Yeah but according to that guy it’s bad
gusty mirage
There’s a discord server FULL of em recruiting
I’ve been peeping around and most 6/10 guilds on A52 mailed it in until 9.1
5/10 guilds are still recruiting, I’ve received 6 friend requests on bnet 
spice spire
Yeah but according to that guy it’s bad <:peeposhrug:657382266921812009>
You’re right, random guy knows more than people who sim the numbers all day and continuously work to improve the apl in even niche situations 
gusty mirage
Exactly
spice spire
More servers than A52
gusty mirage
He doesn’t need sims to tell him the truth
balmy condor
More servers than A52 <:kekw:610125925413289985>
I don’t want to transfer is the problem
spice spire
Ahhhh I see
gusty mirage
I have the same issue, a lot of friends and a lot of characters and gold to move over
spice spire
I’m very lucky and the group I’m in was like “sure we’ll take you for this tier since your guild stops at AotC” so I get the best of both
Damn unlucky
I know a lot of Illidan and MG guilds are making the push still
gusty mirage
Plus I don’t want to lose my spot as GM in the best guild on area 52 “< Huge Dmg Bro >”
royal lantern
I have the same issue, a lot of friends and a lot of characters and gold to move...
doing a faction swap is 10/10
~50€ for 1 character
more expensive then a fking expansion itself lmao
limber lion
Just boost a HC or two then transfer with the boost moneys ez
pale fossil
I'm on Thrall and there are still a bunch of guilds pushing for CE
spice spire
Thrall is another one, ye
gusty mirage
Plus if all else fails, I got a spot in whispyr’s old guild 
I’m okay being an aotc Andy
pale fossil
I'm about to be the worst rogue with CE
spice spire
I’d ask my friend if he wants a couple of pumpers for their sire push if you want?
gusty mirage
Nah I think osh is about to get it GOT EM
spice spire
It wouldn’t be a guild thing. Just because they might need the damage
Idk haven’t looked at their wipe logs in a bit
royal lantern
Plus if all else fails, I got a spot in whispyr’s old guild <:2ez:58798229606642...
man, i would ask too join, but yall are NA
spice spire
Whispyr about to run an all rogue guild
gusty mirage
If people need bodies to fill spots until the end of the tier I don’t mind giving it a go
gusty mirage
Whispyr about to run an all rogue guild <:kekw:610125925413289985>
Hey I can tank and heal too 
spice spire
They’re on hard burnout but they’ve pushed all tier lmao.
spice spire
Hey I can tank and heal too <:peepomad:585733840954458124>
Multi-classing god
nimble tartan
my guild is recruiting we are 8 hr guild 160 pulls slg 190 pulls on denath for prog recruiting all! <midmax>
royal lantern
my guild is recruiting we are 8 hr guild 160 pulls slg 190 pulls on denath for p...
not the place for that
gusty mirage
Multi-classing god <:poggers:652288776021999626>
Very average hpal and and above average vdh
pale fossil
Nah I think osh is about to get it <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> GOT EM
I regret to inform you Osh is for sure better than me 
My logs are a disaster.
nimble tartan
logs are not important
spice spire
Very average hpal and and above average vdh <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
Four button Andy confirmed
royal lantern
this channel is for assassination discussions, killing the hopes and dreams of sub players, and shittalking whispr
gusty mirage
If you can do mechanics and not die to dumb shit > numbers
gusty mirage
Four button Andy confirmed <:kekw:610125925413289985>
Wait my vdh has a 4th button?!
spice spire
True
royal lantern
Wait my vdh has a 4th button?! <:peepostudy:585733927562641408>
ofc, the macro where you put 4 toys at once
nimble tartan
i literally almost took a rogue who was all blue later fights cause i did due diligence and watched his vod and he was playin like a real chad x
the numbers only tell u one story...
gusty mirage
ofc, the macro where you put 4 toys at once
true
royal lantern
mate
all blue on the later fights when somone has 1 kill on them
is 100%normal, and in some cases even good lol
i got 55 on my first SLG kill and felt like a god
nimble tartan
i think my best on slg still blue hehe
i just know if i use ct the adds gonna push early with my group so im chillin
balmy condor
all blue on the later fights when somone has 1 kill on them
I got first 3 down in oxi’s guild and averaged like 75
spice spire
I got first 3 down in oxi’s guild and averaged like 75
Built different
pale fossil
I think I have blues on the last three bosses of heroic despite clearing them a few times.
nimble tartan
the big brain engineer that creates the fighter jet isnt a pilot bro is ok
its a separate skillset
quaint hare
Hey guys, progging on council atm - saw a mention in a youtube video of a graphic setting that allows you to only see the circles of the dark recital that are about to explode, anyone know which setting this is?
balmy condor
royal lantern
i really dont see the problem there, you just run a circle around the boss
twin bay
projected textures but this should be turned on all the time tbh
gusty mirage
I got first 3 down in oxi’s guild and averaged like 75
Getting a blue parse with that performance would be a 99/100 with a good guild
royal lantern
@balmy condor can you transfer your guild too EU? 
balmy condor
uneven plume
Parced a 98 on sludge and 100 for my ilvl on my first m sludge kill
Applying
To limit as we speak
Lmaooo
uneven plume
I’m confused why sire was nerfed but the boss slg with the poor design stays
As is
😦
tulip nacelle
delet boss
shy dust
SLG got massacred by nerfs that’s why
nimble tartan
slg is a fine fight now
plain thistle
and sire "nerf" was more like a fix
that interaction shouldn't be there in the first place
nimble tartan
good for guilds learning not to worry about it too
safe barn
they only poach
what does poach mean
nimble tartan
i know that kills some of my guys sometimes
balmy condor
what does poach mean
If you drop an egg into a swirling pot of water and then cook for approximately 5 minutes
royal lantern
what does poach mean
"stealing" good players from other guilds
limit etc.....do that all the time
the best way too get into the top5 guilds, is too be in a top 20-50guild, and perform good, cus they dont recruit themself lel
alpine latch
Depending on your context, even an active member applying to another guild and leaving, the guild might view that as poaching
shy dust
that interaction shouldn't be there in the first place
????
Just don’t kill it when hand is coming
plain thistle
not so easy when you change characters and comps every week, you need to adjust burst a little bit and that can change the kill time by a couple seconds
lyric cave
I’m confused why sire was nerfed but the boss slg with the poor design stays
long ago it was nerf
hallow spear
Has anyone got weakauras that will track your garrote/rupture on Denathrius + Remornia? Tried making one but it says denathrius isn't a trackable unit >:
Don't really like looking at nameplates.
thorny pond
Has anyone got weakauras that will track your garrote/rupture on Denathrius + Re...
Learn to like your plates
hallow spear
):< Hate plates.
safe barn
"stealing" good players from other guilds
we call it sniping here
balmy condor
I agree with learning to like your plates
multi target tracking using weakauras is super super janky
worthy heart
so, i have no idea on whick trinkets to use in m+: have vessel220, 226shriekwing, 220 iqd, 226 phial, 226 past sins, 226 anima charged winds, 226 nw one. i know yes i should sim for dungeon slice but my pc is slow as fuck and it's literally faster to harrass you guys
hallow spear
I've got flyplatebuffs but it shows too much and configuring it is something thats takes too long :v
worthy heart
the time it gets to open chrome is the time that passed from the bigbang till now
balmy condor
oh yikes
thorny pond
Get plater then
icy ember
try using plater and downloading undadtv's design for it, it helps
balmy condor
the time it gets to open chrome is the time that passed from the bigbang till no...
that's probably something you should check out
thorny pond
the time it gets to open chrome is the time that passed from the bigbang till no...
I think your biggest DPS increase is not your trinket socket but your CPU socket
icy ember
https://wago.io/eMd-ZBdX7 here i'll help you out
worthy heart
nah i'm just an ape playing on a mac sooooooo
hallow spear
I'll give it a shot. Thanks
worthy heart
ty btw for the answer my man
frigid kestrel
Obviously Small business Server 
storm hedge
Which slot should I craft zoldyck on?
balmy condor
legs if you're not going to kill mythic kelthuzad
storm hedge
I might but by then I'll be able to recraft.
balmy condor
yeh
thorny pond
Are we changing DB to shoulders or do we have high ilvl ones again?
balmy condor
db stays on hands as far as we know atm
but the socket stuff is weird
so
who knows
thorny pond
Pepeshrug
grand belfry
What dungeons are worth going a more ST build for Tyrannical weeks?
lean coral
Top only one I can think of
spice spire
I change for ToP I’m ngl.
That’s so minimal
stoic needle
i wouldn't change any talents
poison bomb isn't a big st dps boost and CT is bis for all of the 2-3t cleave in top
spice spire
@gusty mirage dude on sire needs a lock. Sucks to suck
spice spire
poison bomb isn't a big st dps boost and CT is bis for all of the 2-3t cleave in...
More of a cursed MA swap tbh
stoic needle
why MA though
spice spire
Pumpers on a tyrannical week often won’t let subterfuge go full send - couple that with low trash kill, just go with the ST bonus on MA. But it’s just
limber lion
I would maybe use Doomblade in ToP, but the talents stay the same.
safe barn
legs if you're not going to kill mythic kelthuzad
wait what
balmy condor
kelthuzad drops higher ilvl legs
safe barn
is KT getting a p3 like sire to use zoldyck instead of doomblade?
safe barn
cuz doomblade is better, isnt it?
limber lion
Yes
balmy condor
you still want a zold for keys
dark light
Single target on Kt is pretty whatever, it just depends what your role is when the phase happens
limber lion
Bone Spike 
safe barn
you still want a zold for keys
oh, thats the reason ok, good thing i started saving ash
alpine latch
I think the answer now is probably boots, but we'll see as 9.1 gets closer
safe barn
yeah i get it now, i wasn't thinking about zold being good for m+
balmy condor
mhm
woven plinth
I personally use Nimble Fingers more. I use Crimson Vial *a lot* so it really he...
Okay thank you for advice
My rogue is NF cus i plan on doing more pvp then pve as ass
woven plinth
Well my horde outlaw rogue is necro
And when I was leveling this ass rogue I tried out the venthyr ability and I just wasn't liking it so I went with NF
I also tried the kyrian one n it just felt really clunky to me
silent stratus
any priority for memory of sins in ST or just using on cd?
balmy condor
on cooldown
woven plinth
The divine bell trinket is that any good for ass?
balmy condor
no
woven plinth
Okay
silent stratus
ty
astral plover
how much does it matter that igot dbb on shoulders?
stoic needle
divine bell slander
alpine latch
It doesn't
stoic needle
its like a 20 dps loss or so
woven plinth
Stop calling it "ass" you fucking monkey
Why would you insult monkeys like that 😂
stoic needle
with the higher ilvl shoulders off the endbosses
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> dude on sire needs a lock. Sucks to suck <:kekw:6101259254...
Eh, I don’t think I’m emotionally ready for sire anyway. I’m a broken man
alpine latch
Why would you insult monkeys like that 😂
You don't call Outlaw "out" or a Boomkin a "Boo"
gusty mirage
I need to go back into normal and lfr and rebuild my psyche
gusty mirage
I call outlaw outlol
alpine latch
I call it Combat, because it's fucking Combat
gusty mirage
Or just to make our pirates angry “fury warrior with pistols”
alpine latch
Adding 2 abilities and renaming one isn't changing the spec
alpine latch
It's 1000% a Combat rogue. Nothing about it changed. They only renamed it because they couldn't come up with anything cool for a Combat rogue in Legion
frigid kestrel
Fun Fact: I don’t play Outlaw because of the name, and that alone.
Before I would dabble in combat, but the name changed made me self boycott the spec as a whole.
pale fossil
I don't have the historical attachment, but "combat" is awfully generic as a title. Every class and spec engages in combat. "Outlaw" has a class fantasy associated with it.
limber lion
Okay thank you for advice
My rogue is NF cus i plan on doing more pvp then pve ...
No worries
alpine latch
I mean, sure... But canonically all mages are Arcane, and all Warriors are just foot soldiers
There's no such thing as a fire or frost mage
And also "class fantasy" wise, Assassination is the worst spec name in the game
Because all rogues ARE assassins
frigid kestrel
I just hate the thought of being a Pirate is all. Just a personal thing. However back to the topic of Sin/Ass/Mut rogue. How do you go about modifying a player profile? Any nice advice or anything? Looks like a lot at first glance, but I’m assuming it’s about as easy as ELVUI.
frigid kestrel
Wanted to test adding CP’s on targets or not
frigid kestrel
Do you save
Mythic?
alpine latch
CD's on sludgefist
When are you heroing? 3rd or 4th pillar?
ebon thorn
heroic and mythic