so it is lol
#assassination
stoic needle
bleak sky
haste also feels better due to faster dotting so more energy generation, no?
even if it's just that 0.05 diff
stoic needle
well you're energy capped with a few bleeds up regardless so the energy part doesnt really matter
changing the buffs or playing worse doesn't change the dps difference
slow helm
i would say vers is more forgiving because if you forget a dot or you use a global too much on fan of knifes the vers pays out better than the haste
stoic needle
the main thing to understand hereis that you aren't making a mistake if you prio vers over haste because the difference is small and the survivability is good
forgetting one dot or messing up your rotation isn't gonna make vers better than haste. that's not really the way stats work. but you're unlikely to notice the difference between 500 of each stat anyway
slow helm
we can agree on Crit > mastery > vers = haste with vers coming out abit on top in higher m+ cuz of DR
timber basalt
@stoic needle it is possible, but i think i need to mess about with these more
kind talon
we can agree on Crit > mastery > vers = haste with vers coming out abit on top i...
Bro what is the point of this
Ur still gonna sim any gear u get anyways
And stat weights change based on ur profile
slow helm
i were just wondering what the stat prio was since sims doesnt take the fact that the DR from vers is huge in higher m+
and we ended up agreeing that mastery was above haste and vers was basicly as strong as haste so its not exacly like the pin says 🙂
balmy condor
plain thistle
what do you mean? DR affects all stats, not only versa
plain thistle
ohhh, dr = damage reduction?
bleak sky
would you change my enchants/sockets to crit? is that .4 that big of a deal?
bleak sky
ohhh, dr = damage reduction?
ya
bleak sky
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i23e8W7rjhv45FsbcwKcm7
I'm asking because the stat weighing favors crit, but when I sim different stats haste seems to perform bette so I'm confused?
low girder
you're running into the problem with stat weights, they change every time you change anything about your gear
this is why we never look at them
for gearing purposes
slow helm
true and thats why i were wondering stat prio's but now when i watched log from top assa keys none of them are taking mastery they do crit > vers=haste > mastery hmmm
slow helm
doesnt change that its what they are running
kind talon
I was being sarcastic
slow helm
i know
stoic needle
even the top players dont always have the luxury of choosing their stats to that degree
i think you're paying attention to people's gear too much
timber basalt
another dumb question - is sbs constantly generating details segments on dummies
my details log is full of 1s combat events from sbs ticking on a dummy i was hitting 5 mins ago
stoic needle
yeah basically
timber basalt
strange python
do the pins get updated for bis changes in legendaries?
strange python
that ansered it ty
spice spire
Hey whispyr good luck on your trial tonight, buddy. I know it’ll be a hard one 😉
frigid kestrel
Does any of our AOE abilities hurt the SLG Commandos?
balmy condor
Hey whispyr good luck on your trial tonight, buddy. I know it’ll be a hard one �...
uh huh, yeah, mhm
compact pumice
Does any of our AOE abilities hurt the SLG Commandos?
Why wouldn't they?
halcyon zealot
who you trialing with Whisp
spice spire
I don't think it's actually going to be a problem
I’m not being serious papi, cmon dude. You just have to beat their mediocre rogue
Sorry I should just @gusty mirage 
frigid kestrel
Why wouldn't they?
Im hearing that alot of aoe abilities dont hit them
ANd there is some list of what ones actually do hit them
halcyon zealot
your two aoe abilities than youd be pressing, on commando burn, FoK and CT, most definitely will hit them
stoic needle
that was the way they were supposed to work, but it's not true. all aoe abilities work on them
they would be absolute cancer if they couldn't be AOE'd
compact pumice
Fight would be so much slower
halcyon zealot
honestly SLG is kinda fun once your group gets the groove
steep obsidian
I think it says in the dungeon journal they can't be aoed right but it never worked that way
compact pumice
I just hate wiping to shit that we "learned" so many wipes ago. Like soaking shit or when a soaker gets it and just autopilots to their soak position.
halcyon zealot
ya i guess, this entire raid is hold dps central though
oh ya thats annoying af, same with council prog
gotta play perfectly for 5-7min to even see prog
stoic needle
I think it says in the dungeon journal they can't be aoed right but it never wor...
doesn't say that anymore
steep obsidian
ok
frigid kestrel
That includes the shield as well?
stoic needle
yes
frigid kestrel
If the RL doesn't listen to me imma just AOE anyways and then show logs i guess. I loathe getting ignored
stoic needle
tell him to go look at literally any slg log lmao
balmy condor
Sorry I should just <@192059095279337473> <:kekw:610125925413289985>
mans getting PI'd randomly man wtf
compact pumice
If the RL doesn't listen to me imma just AOE anyways and then show logs i guess....
Most RLs like Limit Max so just tell him to watch the video guide
stoic needle
whispyr unethical PI gamer confirmed
halcyon zealot
If the RL doesn't listen to me imma just AOE anyways and then show logs i guess....
what specifically is he telling you to do if not aoe during the burn? like STing a commando into a shield faster when everyones melting them insta anyways seems very counter-intuative lol
gusty mirage
my details name is Budget Whispyr for a reason
compact pumice
I mean if you're killing them 1-3 at a time between CD pushes then you might wanna focus on one shield at a time
gusty mirage
which ironically confused people in my raid, if that is any indicator on the intelligence level of some
balmy condor
whispyr unethical PI gamer confirmed
oxi was the unethical gamer
I'm like hold on
why the fuck is he like 600 over me
stoic needle
frigid kestrel
what specifically is he telling you to do if not aoe during the burn? like STing...
ST because AOE doesnt work from 100 - 0. Thats excluding the shield
halcyon zealot
ST because AOE doesnt work from 100 - 0. Thats excluding the shield
ya hes smoking crack, FoK and CT them
heady rain
Is it worth casting Crimson Tempest on ST sire P3?
halcyon zealot
outside of shiv, yes
heady rain
word ty ty
steep obsidian
Does PI even do that much for sin? I haven’t even thought about it
stoic needle
it's like top 10
halcyon zealot
PI with vendetta is quite good yes, not as good as some specs obviously, but definitely better than some
nimble tartan
if someone in my guild is having a good pull i call pi on them and ruin their clean pure ethical parse
stoic needle
thorny pond
omr toxic. shocking
nimble tartan
its for the better
thorny pond
@balmy condor Is simC updated with the nightly about the changes to IQD you were talking about?
fleet anchor
I told you to send me an APL and you never did 😛
fleet anchor
You told me you were gonna test some stuff and then I was raid logging for a week due to work. If you’ve got something I can try to plug it in.
😄
balmy condor
You told me you were gonna test some stuff and then I was raid logging for a wee...
yeh I just added |trinkt.1.is.inscrutable_quantum_device and trinket.2 respectively to the pre-combat variable
fleet anchor
To force it as a stat trinket?
balmy condor
yes
fleet anchor
Ok
balmy condor
it's only a loss on very very long sims
fleet anchor
I’ll take your word for it 😄
balmy condor
where you lose casts
dusty frost
Are there any sims already for patch 9.1? Just curious how assa scales compared to other specs/classes
Or are there any conclusions after first weeks of raid testing ?
thorny pond
scales
halcyon zealot
whispyr has a lovely write up about 9.1/sims at the top of the pins page
balmy condor
oh no
thorny pond
gusty mirage
can someone hit me with a car? ty in advance
thorny pond
Need something bud?
thorny pond
I'd say me but that's a lie
balmy condor
no
thorny pond
if you block them
wide bolt
can I hide someone's message on discord?
if you block them there message will eb behind a drop down everytime
bleak sky
big flashy gifs might give people seizures maybe that's all
also does this look good on paper or am I just dumb
assuming the proc rate is decent
kind talon
Looks amazing bro
dull cloak
is there a consistent way to lineup gemstone on sludge pillars
kind talon
No
thorny pond
It should proc every minute so
kind talon
Yeah it takes like few seconds
vital haven
gemstones proc every minute or so
and sludge pillars happen 56ish seconds in for the first one and then 1 min 10 sec each for the rest
dull cloak
yea it linesup better on pillars after 1st
thorny pond
Go outside and hit a turnip then get summoned back. I guess
spice spire
@gusty mirage did you pass whispyr's trial?
gusty mirage
@spice spire I've literally never felt worse in my life, I can't express how sorry I am I subjected him to the shit show that was this week of raiding
I might just join his old aotc guild
spice spire
that's rough chief. If it makes you feel any better, I had comp issues, and the group I'm running inerva with downed it in 5 tries, for prog.. So I missed that kill ><
gusty mirage
just come to ours
spice spire
just saw the logs, and it's bad beat city, sorry papi
gusty mirage
whispyr and I were top damage on kills 
spice spire
This group can down inerva 😛
spice spire
the nerf definitely helps. hate to see it though, that's rough man.
I didn't realize it was that bad when I memed originally 😦
gusty mirage
it's okay I've accepted I'm in middle tier mythic raiding lol
tight ginkgo
Advice on reaching acceptance tho? Hypothetical of course. 😅
spice spire
@tight ginkgo 
arctic walrus
acceptance to what
gusty mirage
Advice on reaching acceptance tho? Hypothetical of course. 😅
I balance time available to play & what's required to actually be a CE raider
and I know I won't have it in me 
I'd rather just do m+ tbh
this is my first tier mythic raiding, and I'm almost sure its not for me. Only thing keeping me logging in is I promised this guild I'd see it out until 9.1
spice spire
What a king
gusty mirage
it just helps that I'm apparently not atrocious at rogue lol
carmine token
My casual 6/10 group seems pretty great comparatively
gusty mirage
I think I got thie whispyr seal of approval
gusty mirage
I hope so because someone needs to save that man
he deserves so much more than the shit show he experienced this week
kind talon
was he blasting or what??????
spice spire
Yellow boys not going to prog though, hate to see it
stoic needle
quietly makes warlock alt
spice spire
Ahhh yes affliction, the ranged assassination
tight ginkgo
Which is mastery based though 😆
odd hazel
Im gonna prob roll Spriest next patch, since our raid will need a priest most likely sadpepe
but i'll never drop my yellow boy
stoic needle
No disc?
odd hazel
PFFFT YEAH RIGHT. only restro druid/shammys.
stoic needle
stoic needle
Healing
odd hazel
atleast it'll be damage too ¯_(ツ)_/¯
spice spire
I enjoy hpal, resto sham and tanking as well. Guild just needs dps and I ❤️ rogue
odd hazel
im top damage in my raid though so its gonna be yikes if i ahve to heal
final star
I just hit boss
stoic needle
If you're top damage in your raid you're probably inting by switching to healing
spice spire
Don’t tempt me
odd hazel
one can dream the raid will pick up its damage
spice spire
I enjoy a good int
stoic needle
one can dream the raid will pick up its damage
That's a good joke
rigid mango
I would never
kind talon
balmy condor
I would never
rigid mango
lavish grove
Which item slot for the necro and venthyr leggo guys? I want to buy the base item before it spikes
final star
Just buy both they are cheap
Then you sell the one you don't need for profit cos the item spiked
balmy condor
hands most likely
lean coral
but it was a smooth kill
kind talon
parse?
limber lion
Grats 
lean coral
❤️
frail fossil
better than <@!316191055592554497>
damn crazy guy who had 4 p3 pulls didn't do very well
nimble tartan
@lean coral glad to see another midmaxer around these parts
torpid spoke
233 shoulders baybeeeee
flint anchor
ok serious question. how does the vanish-window looks like nowadays with deeper strat? Envenom-Mutilate-Envenom and hope for poisonbomb but last envenom with max 4 CP? or do we do Envenom Mutilate Mutilate? Or even Evenom Mutilate SBS)? xD
flint anchor
yikes
balmy condor
You either env, mut then you’re at 4 max, so you have to mut again
Or you mut env mut
Or at 0, you mut mut env
flint anchor
but what about sbs? it.. does more upfront dmg then mut?
low girder
but half the combo points on a crit
fallow otter
<:pogO:838548369436966962> damn crazy guy who had 4 p3 pulls didn't do very well
Lol
They savage
final star
but half the combo points on a crit
Which is fine at 4CP 🙄
low girder
which was not the question, but go off
balmy condor
You don’t want to use sbs in ma windows
low girder
forgive me for not quite reading correctly after an aggressive response
sinful island
why is Doomblade better than Zoldyck in Denathrius fight? Isn't it cleave and execute fight which should put Zoldyck ahead?
limber lion
why is Doomblade better than Zoldyck in Denathrius fight? Isn't it cleave and ex...
Zoldyck is better for progression and mainly for pushing the P3 damage check.
Doomblade is used for more overall damage.
drifting cloud
yeah but difference isnt huge and since assa was dead not until long ago most rogues probably dont have 2 r4 assa legos
silent fossil
last kill i used zold on accident from slg and i clapped harder than before but was also my first week as necro and i feel like necro is p good for sire so idk
limber lion
yeah but difference isnt huge and since assa was dead not until long ago most ro...
At this point they probably should. It's been over 2 months now.
limber lion
last kill i used zold on accident from slg and i clapped harder than before but ...
Necro is amazing for Sire and Necro + Zoldyck actually pumps in P3 harder than Venthyr.
final star
As soon as you add another target necrolord is just so valuable
Really do enjoy it more than I did venthyr at this point
wispy skiff
hello, im looking to try out Assa . Im currently Outlaw and i enjoy it so much. Looking to try assa and was looking for what gear/stats i should be looking at ? I have Doomblade leg on gloves already. and now just need some guide on what stats going for. I have loads of gear pieces that been gathering on m+ / vault / M raid. also talents and soulbinds guide will be appriciated. im currently night fae . Thanks in advance 😗
balmy condor
that's all covered in guides on icyveins/wowhead, and by simulating your own character
I would suggest these links
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
yes
sick cairn
im necro, do i still run vigor? i feel like DS would still be good
and of course im running EP
sick cairn
im just doing HC for the week
and i wanna try something new
i should use zoldyck right?
or doomblade?
limber lion
For HC you use Doomblade on every boss.
On Mythic you use Zoldyck for SLG and Sire prog.
whole crest
Hello Hi , short Noob question: which spec do you think will be best for raiding in 9.1 ?
whole crest
Okay thanks
rain edge
hello all, got some morning logs to look at.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G9yJ3NrWLv1m4wcj#fight=10&type=damage-done
First m lady kill. Rupture and garrote uptime on lady are sitting at 93/92% which could be better. would appreciate some feedback to improve for next time!
blissful juniper
Which legendary would you recommend I craft first? Mostly focused on raiding and don't care about m+ dps
Am venthyr
limber lion
Doomblade
lilac ridge
I am starting progress on Mythic Sire this week. What setup would you advice Talents/Leggo (Venthyr)
limber lion
I am starting progress on Mythic Sire this week. What setup would you advice Tal...
BS/MA/DS/Alac/CT
last stirrup
Sometimes after i vanish i keep auto hitting my target from like 10 yards, bringing me out of stealth.. wth is this? any solution, like /stopattack or smth
dense narwhal
Some necrolord questions
In m+, is 3 garrotes, CT, then 3 SBS, rupture?
Not sure where snd fits in lol
gusty mirage
I kinda forfeit snd until I have all my bleeds rolling
last stirrup
Yes /stopattack works
Thanks
gusty mirage
It’s easier after the first pack, I just use whatever combo points I have left over
dense narwhal
Makes sense
Rupture has higher priority in the rotation after the opener right? (Compared to CT)
gusty mirage
I try to keep CT up as much as possible, but I’ll let it fall off for a few seconds until I get a good amount of bleeds rolling for energy
Once you get 5-6 total bleeds rolling it’s easier to keep CT up and refresh ruptures
dense narwhal
And as for single target, do you dump SBS during vendetta windows, staggering them for the emeni buff?
Bleeds being garrotes and rupture?
gusty mirage
I run heimer for assa, but you want to stagger out SBS during vendetta for LBE
Correct
dense narwhal
And finally, the great FoK vs Muti question
So in aoe, we always start with a Fok as a gener and for to spread poisons
But then switch to Muti when we're... 3 targets or lower?
gusty mirage
FoK as a builder for 4+ mobs, you use it on 3 if you need to reapply poisons otherwise Mutilate as a builder
dense narwhal
Assuming SBS is down
Perfect
I have to keep reminding myself lol
I also main ele shaman, and I confuse the target amount for lightning and chain lightning with the Muti/Fok numbers
gusty mirage
Yeah it’ll take a second to get it into your muscle memory but it’ll happen quicker than you think
dense narwhal
I still have 3 targets Fok in my body from a while back
alpine latch
My brain says "2 targets? Better FoK just in case"
dense narwhal
Lmao
outer oak
With rupture do you always refresh at 5 combo points?
plain thistle
max -1 cp like any finisher
and rupture dont get damage bonus with cp, just duration
which means if the add/boss will die fast you can do a 3cp rupture and its fine
outer oak
Ok thanks thats what I needed to know
kindred kettle
hey guys. firstly i will say im pretty new so forgive me if my questions seem a little basic. i just wanted ask a couple of things and see what you think. i am wondering if the current BiS legendaries will change in 9.1. im told we get a second one but im talking about what we have available now.
plain thistle
hey guys. firstly i will say im pretty new so forgive me if my questions seem a ...
no, we wont be able to equip a second legendary
kindred kettle
ah ok
plain thistle
bis legendary we cant be sure yet, ask when 9.1 is a little bit closer
hollow river
Yes
white igloo
Hey guys, i'm coming back to wow after some time off and want to play assassin again. Is necrolord a good cov for M+ and Raid? Which legendary would you pair with it, Zoldyck?
plain thistle
for more information about the new legendaries you can check PINS, but we dont have numbers yet
plain thistle
Hey guys, i'm coming back to wow after some time off and want to play assassin a...
necro is better than venthyr for DG, and better for any scenario with more than 1 target
and legandary doesnt change that much with covenant, you would still use doomblade for most fights
hollow river
Venthyr is a tiny bit ahead in pure ST, necro is better in m+ and fine in raid and better for 2+ targets.
kindred kettle
that also answers another one of my questions
i have been looking at subcreation and most people are using ven.
again not sure if its a good resource
plain thistle
will i still be able to craft a doomblade with soul ash?
rank 4 yes, new ranks will be with new currency
kindred kettle
i am currently necro
white igloo
So Doomblade over Zoldyck. Does Zoldyck pull ahead in multitarget fights?
hollow river
Zoldycks is better for higher level keys where things live longer
plain thistle
yes, because you dont mutilate in 4+ targets, which hurts doomblade performance
while zoldick works in ST and AoE
alpine latch
Doomblade is ~4% better than Zoldyck for ST.
hollow river
@plain thistle isn’t MA better for lower keys? 😮
white igloo
I have enough ash to create 1 max rank leggo lol
kindred kettle
my parses are so low. im trying to get to the bottom of it. im running a different covenant and legendary to people in higher percentiles. thought that could be it
rotation needs a bit of work too but after checking logs its still very similar
hollow river
I made doomblade, zoldycks and MA at 190 and they’re still 190 :’)
strange python
what pieces are the leather domination pieces on
alpine latch
I'm boosting Zoldyck to max before I make anything else. My guild's progression is basically done... No point in rushing it until 9.1
plain thistle
<@228959462713458698> isn’t MA better for lower keys? 😮
not sure, but probably. and with MA you can run NS with MfD, opening with MfD > CT
hollow river
Yeah I made them all at 190 first because it’s better to have the effect first before the stats if you have to, I’m taking them to rank 4 now one at a time
@plain thistle yes I know :p
plain thistle
currently not doing dungeons, I do 1 +15 weekly and I just run with zoldick
hollow river
Same
strange python
oh there is a gloves and shoulder piece with a domination socket
thats unfortunate
hollow river
@kindred kettle cov shouldn’t matter that much for your dps. We can play any cov pretty much. Check peoples rotations on logs
strange python
no legs with socket though so dont have to remake zoldyck 🙂
kindred kettle
also been simming talent choices for each individual encounter. makes for interesting reading but probably wont be required until i run CN mythic
hollow river
And never over cap combo points . Always finish on 4-5 combo points
Pins also have links to guides for rotations
alpine latch
Yeah, I wonder if the sockets is going to throw off some of the legendary choices
placid dawn
I hope not, don't want to run torghast that much
alpine latch
Well it's four weeks per rank 6
thorny pond
Welcome back to the grind
white igloo
Shoulders or Gloves for Doom leggo preference?
thorny pond
You killing M SLG?
white igloo
only heroic
thorny pond
Then it doesn't matter
white igloo
what if we were
thorny pond
Then gloves
white igloo
ok ty
placid dawn
i mean, even if yo were going to kil m SLG it doesnt matter
unless you are reclearing itmany times and will for sure get the shoulders
spice spire
Also if you’re going mythic next tier - shoulders also drop at higher ilvl
gusty mirage
Also if you’re going mythic next tier - shoulders also drop at higher ilvl
so me crafting doom shoulders was the 400 iq play by me, seeing as I may never mythic raid again after this tier
gusty mirage
just topgear for dslice
white igloo
crit mas?
gusty mirage
don't worry too much about secondaries
stiff bramble
sorry just went back to my rogue again, im wondering if you delay your flagellation for your Vendetta or do you just use it on cd
gusty mirage
on CD
thorny pond
Only if you won't lose a cast
gusty mirage
you'd only sync if you won't lose a cast (like the last bit of the boss where you wouldn't get another flag anyway)
stiff bramble
awhh oke thanks
covert stratus
not looking for an accurate sim just want a vague idea of what things should look like
placid dawn
probably execute for p3
covert stratus
didn't even think of that.big brain. thanks a lot
subtle tundra
uh no
devout hazel
but i want to learn tricks
like
good things for have better parse and more damage
subtle tundra
a good trick is to never let your bleeds run out!
thorny pond
Sin doesn't have a whole lot of that
devout hazel
something who can get you at the top
subtle tundra
yea assa isnt some mega 200 iq shit
devout hazel
so why the fuck im having shit parse doing the normal
subtle tundra
there isnt anything the best players do to get giga high dps
thorny pond
Not really
grand ridge
are you simming yourself
devout hazel
yea
devout hazel
cuz i think so
subtle tundra
there arent any secrets
devout hazel
XD
thorny pond
Yep. Link your logs
thorny pond
What is there to TC mate?
subtle tundra
there isnt much to theorycraft
plain thistle
not looking for an accurate sim just want a vague idea of what things should loo...
I would do with advanced sim, setting the boss initial health to 40% and lust to when it hits 25%-30% (or close to when you lust in real raid), and 3min
subtle tundra
cause we have really good TC's
devout hazel
try diferent builds
subtle tundra
nah almost everything has been simmed
thorny pond
Rogue is one of the best communities. We've taken care of all that
There isn't some 500iq secrit build
devout hazel
i dont have anything to grind 😭
covert stratus
I would do with advanced sim, setting the boss initial health to 40% and lust to...
I'll try that tyvm
plain thistle
enemy_initial_health_percentage=40
optimal_raid=1
bloodlust_time=-100
bloodlust_percent=30
something like that
devout hazel
i dont want to start doing 80 parses in the mythic raid
so i try to practice in heroic
subtle tundra
the log can be from lfr for all we care
grand ridge
I read if you yell really loudly while doing your rotation you will do slightly more dps
subtle tundra
youre gonna do the same rotation in lfr,normal, hc and mythic
earnest remnant
and click your buttons harder
covert stratus
also don't forget to strafe left and right very fast while doing your rotation
devout hazel
listen techno 150 bpm
helps
for roation
ONLY 88 UPTIME IN GARROTE
wtf
i didnt see that
lilac ridge
BS/MA/DS/Alac/CT
Thanks. Which legendary would you advise?
subtle tundra
ONLY 88 UPTIME IN GARROTE
see?
halcyon zealot
I read if you yell really loudly while doing your rotation you will do slightly ...
this is proven to work
pure moth
this is proven to work
I agree
tulip nacelle
you can get at least 95s in heroic by just doing your rotation properly and having somewhat good gear
devout hazel
and garrote takes a lot of energy
subtle tundra
i have a 5 envenom or something
and?????
thats not an excuse
pandemic starts at 5.4 sec
devout hazel
at what second
earnest remnant
you loose energy by not having garrote up
devout hazel
should i get my envemos back up
grand ridge
once your parses are up there enough, the comp of your raid, performance of the rest of the dps, and power infusions make a much bigger difference on your parses than changing around a global in your rotation
tulip nacelle
kinda looks like you need to read a guide and not look for strats to just push parse ranks
halcyon zealot
you can get at least 95s in heroic by just doing your rotation properly and havi...
yeah that and kill times are really all that go into heroic parsing
stoic needle
Marileth is the worst soulbind for dps btw
spice spire
so me crafting doom shoulders was the 400 iq play by me, seeing as I may never m...
Same, except I enjoy light mythic. 6-7/10 is attainable this tier for me. And that’s a-okay with me
stoic needle
You should be playing heirmir
subtle tundra
lethal posion??
subtle tundra
use sudden fractures
devout hazel
i look like a pvp hpally sorry
grand ridge
also the aspect ratio
stoic needle
Sudden fractures is better then lethal Poisons
devout hazel
also the aspect ratio
i play cs go
spice spire
SF is ideal, LP is fine for double potency, but iirc not the play for NL
stoic needle
Yes
grand ridge
man I cant wait for this conduit upgrade torghast thing in 9.1
subtle tundra
it feels like you didnt sim yourself enough @devout hazel
subtle tundra
thats part of the basics ^^
alpine latch
burnt star
U should totaly just sim your conduit tbh. Artificier is pretty much a patchwerk fight in heroic. (U dont even need to run for ghost) and he should phase before the 2nd one
grand ridge
if you got a portal though it will mess with your parse
burnt star
Oo right ya portal :(
alpine latch
In heroic my CoS is always down for ghosts. Fuck running away, someone else can get traps
burnt star
But eh.
devout hazel
if someone want to come voice and talk about assa
im down
im streaming my sim
xd
subtle tundra
there isnt much to talk about assa if youre experienced
subtle tundra
im streaming my sim
you can just link it
grand ridge
it looks like you did get a portal, so that may have made a difference
it was during hero too
thats p big
subtle tundra
it looks like you did get a portal, so that may have made a difference
its like 2-3 sec of uptime
cause you sprint/shadowstep
its not gonna totally ruin a log
gusty mirage
Same, except I enjoy light mythic. 6-7/10 is attainable this tier for me. And th...
It’s just demoralizing when you make really good progress all tier and then roster issues destroy any momentum 
grand ridge
i looked at the replay and it looks like that portal ate about 11 seconds of hero for him
spice spire
Hey buddy, it happened with my guild too.
You just have to keep GRINDING. The important thing is to call it quits for a tier when mythic stops becoming “fun”
Last tier it was hivemind for us. Heal lead left - then two more heals followed. We replaced downed the boss, then said hi to this tier. Heroic only and I’ve a group that wanted light mythic prog.
subtle tundra
i looked at the replay and it looks like that portal ate about 11 seconds of her...
and thats just him not knowing how to deal with mechanics
a good player will lose very little uptime
spice spire
My current guild is on hiatus until 9.1 - we still play games and stuff outside of wow to keep together
I think my guild is in a good spot for longevity (inb4 LFG)
stoic needle
Imagine not having raidbots premium
subtle tundra
imagine simmin enough to be worth buying
tulip nacelle
imagine not doing that
grand ridge
Can you use a premium boosted discord bot for custom sims
Or does it only do quick sims
I wanna mooch
stoic needle
It does more but it's still worse than having an account
I don't think it does top gear
grand ridge
Ah
tulip nacelle
also it's way clunkier to operate
stoic needle
Yep
tulip nacelle
well it takes time
stoic needle
You can get the max sub level with swiftsim
But yeah, sims take time especially if you're simming gems and enchants
topaz minnow
Umm.. When theres a big pull where there's 10-15 mobs... How does crimson tempest choose which ones to dot(since its 8 targets max)? Should i spam CT in that case to put it on all the mobs?
But it's kind of weird how it refreshes the duration on some targets while there are mobs without it
subtle tundra
closest to you afaik
primal holly
Probably prioritized by range
subtle tundra
you can get 55 dps by swapping to ds, or 40 dps if you really want to play vigor by using elaborate planning
devout hazel
21 haste is good for ds?
subtle tundra
the sim says so.
and yes.
there isnt any haste requirement
there isnt any stat requirement
covert stratus
opener is just slower if you're not a belf
gusty mirage
yeah people need to stop worrying so much about secondaries
any secondary stat is a dps upgrade, so just top gear to make sure your gear is optimal for the content you're doing (patchwerk vs dslice for raid vs m+)
much less of a headache than worrying about stats and stat weights
devout hazel
XD
fresh heroic group
i hope we 2 phase shriek at least
what opener do you use guys
i use
subtle tundra
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
subtle tundra
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
gusty mirage
agi + stones is more consistent for assa
alpine latch
agi/stone is also used in m+ and aoe in general
So it's easier to stack one type of pot than to keep swapping them out per encounter
devout hazel
huge
tribal finch
What covenant did you guys pick or think may be best for 9.1?
timber crest
necro
tribal finch
I see a lot of venthyr rogues. Any reason why necro?
ruby birch
venthyr is best for sub and for ST on sin
timber crest
for assa its necro
timber crest
and since we are in assa chat i presumed that you were talking about assa
tribal finch
I am going to try and do heroic raid next tier, maybe dabble with mythic bosses, but also push keys. So necro looks liek the top pick?
re-rolled to rogue form my lock
ruby birch
I am going to try and do heroic raid next tier, maybe dabble with mythic bosses,...
if you want the most for raid, venthyr. most for m+, necro
but both covenants work in either content
tribal finch
What about pvp? I know for my lock the overall BIS was pretty much NF for all content
thorny pond
If it's not your main I'd pick aesthetic you prefer. Necro is good in PvP
ruby birch
pvp as sin?
timber crest
pvp for assa is usually necro
ruby birch
necro
tribal finch
Just tyring to make a good pick and start the renown process
ruby birch
venthyr works for sin pvp, but necro is just far better for pvp
timber crest
venthyr is good for burst and great for sub
tribal finch
Ok, so necro is comparable with ST though if I am doing some CE progression?
ruby birch
yes
tribal finch
I am prob maining assasin next tier, maybe will try out outlaw, but mostly sin
timber crest
anyone know what gear max will be in 9.1?
i know that crafted gear is higher then mythic raid gear lmao
but thats all i know
ruby birch
I am prob maining assasin next tier, maybe will try out outlaw, but mostly sin
both necro and venthyr are good picks, but necro is definitely going to be what you want for m+ next tier
thorny pond
Necro looks strong for raid.
ruby birch
i know that crafted gear is higher then mythic raid gear lmao
wym crafted gear is stronger than mythic raid gear
timber crest
current content raid gear is worse then what crafted gear will be in 9.1
ruby birch
oh that's what you mean
grand ridge
Assuming it's not super time gated
ruby birch
it prob will be somewhat time gated
tribal finch
Ok, as long as I don't feel really out of place I am happy to pick necro, I just want to have ability to push higher keys and also do raid prog
grand ridge
Requires new venari B's revered or some shit
tribal finch
Necro sounds good to me if that's what you guys think. Cool looks to armor too
thorny pond
Lots of us are necro right now since tier is over
hollow river
necro still better in raid once you have 2+ targets which looks like there will be a long of in 9.1
compact pumice
current content raid gear is worse then what crafted gear will be in 9.1
You can only equip one crafted piece per char though
Also it's 230 so just a normal raid in 9.1 will drop equal or better
hollow river
And there is mainly 2+ targets this tier as well
tribal finch
Do you use the bone spike in the same manner as you would flagellation during your envenom windows?
devout hazel
yo guys
compact pumice
Bone spike is not a CD like flag is. You use SBS during opener and then during Gem window, best used when gem and shiv overlaps to get a lot of CPs during shiv, unless I am mistaken
compact pumice
You haven't uploaded anything
Try to manually upload a boss or restart the live log if that's what you're doing
timber crest
You can only equip one crafted piece per char though
ya ik
raven gyro
guys master assassin talent work for trinkets ?
compact pumice
guys master assassin talent work for trinkets ?
No
raven gyro
ty
wispy leaf
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
tribal finch
Whats the best leggo atm or looking to be for 9.1?
spice spire
Whats the best leggo atm or looking to be for 9.1?
Nothings really changed for 9.1 sim. Look at Doomblade and Zoldyck’s still.
stoic needle
Doomblade for single target, zoldyck for execute want mythic plus, doomspike deathspike is looking to be bis for m+
But it's still too early to say for sure
spice spire
It could be changed or left as is 
grand ridge
Make sure advanced combat logging is enabled as well @devout hazel
alpine latch
Doomblade for single target, zoldyck for execute want mythic plus, ~~doomspike~~...
Doomspike is also a dope af looking dagger, for what it's worth
The anima upgrades stay when you leave a covenant, right?
stoic needle
Yep
alpine latch
I assume you mean Deathspike, though?
stoic needle
Yeah lol sry
strange python
what is deathspike
alpine latch
That's the new Necrolord leggo
spice spire
New legendary for Necrolord - introduced in 9.1
strange python
ah
alpine latch
Inventory Type: Wrist, Hands```Doomspike is, yeah.
It's an older one but it looks awesome
Back when daggers weren't swords
And swords weren't polearms
alpine latch
Doomspike is xmog, deathspike is the leggo
It looks like it'll be amazing for m+
just SBS spam every other pull
strange python
looking forward to possibly having to recraft doomblade based on which domination piece i get
hollow river
Gotcha and yeah from what I’ve heard it will be
stoic needle
You still want doomblade on hands because kt drops 259 shoulders just like slg
hollow river
That’s why all my sin leggos are 190 :’h
strange python
well yeah but temporarily
stoic needle
Why would you temporarily recraft
strange python
the domination sockets are pretty big
stoic needle
Sounds like a waste of ash when you can get sockets on tons of other slots
hollow river
How do we get the sockets
strange python
cant decide what piece you get though
stoic needle
They are on the gear from the raid
strange python
and ill have 10k soul ash for 9.1
stoic needle
You'd be crazy to recraft your legendary to use one socket
alpine latch
I'm assuming that Bracers will be the ideal legendary spot for Deathspike even though it's lower stats, since Gloves will have a socket
hollow river
Heard you can get them from Torghast too
stoic needle
Because you need to upgrade your legendary to lvl 6 anyway
Those aren't domination socket items
stoic needle
I don't think so because there's only 5 max gems you can use, and it's easy to get 5 slots without using gloves
I think there is a wrist with a socket
alpine latch
Ohhh
stoic needle
I'd have to double check
honest heath
can someone link the WA that tracks # of bleeds you have out? a guildie is asking. I'm not sure if this is the one people use here
https://wago.io/WULju2fnt
alpine latch
So even if you get 6 items you can only wear 5 gems?
alpine latch
Where did you see that we can only wear 5 gems?
strange python
and maybe waist?
stoic needle
Where did you see that we can only wear 5 gems?
A developer said it in an interview
misty zenith
Apparently some people on YT already know how some classes will be in the 9.1 raid
strange python
alpine latch
Apparently some people on YT already know how some classes will be in the 9.1 ra...
Raid testing was last night - I assume people have a fair idea, yeah.
strange python
the sockets are pretty big at least if these dont get changed
no idea about the set bonus thing yet though
limber lion
Thanks. Which legendary would you advise?
Zoldyck for Sire Progress, Doomblade is fine too!
misty zenith
Since i was watching Psybearslat and he said Feral was golden in 9.1 raid
Which means assa rogue should be too
They lean on the same idea, slower building specs
stoic needle
I assume you mean Sloot?
Yeah because sloot, a wow developer, doesn't know how the system he's designing works
Err not sloot
alpine latch
https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-shard-of-domination-effects-in-patch-9-1-...
I'll have to watch this again, because nothing in that article says you can only wear 5. It just mentions wearing 3 gives you a "set bonus" that works in the Maw/Torghast/Raid.
stoic needle
But the guy he interviewed
alpine latch
yeah, that's what I meant.
stoic needle
I watched the interview the guy said that there were 5 maximum
stoic needle
Oh lol
strange python
Certain drops in the raid have Domination Gem sockets such PH - DNT - 9.1 Raid Mail Chest. According to Morgan Day, you should be able to have 5 Domination sockets on your gear and you can socket special Shards of Domination in there.
Each of the Shards of Domination has an effect that will word everywhere in the raid. However, if you equip 3 Shards of Domination of the same type, this will complete a "set bonus" which will activate a bonus effect in the Maw, Torghast and the Sanctum of Domination raid.
alpine latch
"You should be able to have" isn't "You can only have"
strange python
well i dont see how else you would interpret that
tribal finch
what leggo is everyone using?
alpine latch
I interpret "should be" as an a non-definite answer
alpine latch
what leggo is everyone using?
For what content?
tribal finch
Raid and diving into around 15-16+ keys
stoic needle
Zoldyck for keys, doomblade for raid, if you can only pick one it should be zoldyck
alpine latch
Doomblade for ST, Zoldyck for keys/certain bosses in raid
MA is highly competitive in m+ but less powerful on bosses
That may change in 9.1 though
tribal finch
So I am going to prob pick one, so best to farm zoldyk first and do doomblade next?
alpine latch
That's what I did, yeah
honest heath
i think people use doomblade and MA for pvp, if you're into that too
alpine latch
He says that there's 5 sockets you can even get. How does the chest have 3?
stoic needle
Because it does on the ptr
hollow river
I heard something about thdlock getting sockets in Torghast
stoic needle
Apparently some people on YT already know how some classes will be in the 9.1 ra...
It's a bit early to judge how good since classes will be compared to others just based on the ptr because the fights can and will change and be retuned before release
Yeah those are just normal gem sockets not domination sockets
Hopefully they add an item that lets you add domination sockets to your legendaries
But we'll see
hollow river
What do the domination sockets do?
stoic needle
They let you use the special gems
lilac ridge
Zoldyck for Sire Progress, Doomblade is fine too!
Thanks man! Will try Zoldyck.
limber lion
For sure!
honest heath
do we put haste and crit or vers on zoldyck?
gusty mirage
crit haste
honest heath
ty
gusty mirage
np
honest heath
in terms of 15-17 level keys...and not doing crazy MDI things...how does sin compare to outlaw?
gusty mirage
I did 7k overall in a sanguine 18 this week
honest heath
damn
gusty mirage
so much higher damage potential at the cost of the utility of gouge
subtle tundra
huh
honest heath
I tried out both outlaw and sin last week (granted i'm only like 205 ilvl)...but I felt like I hit like a wet noodle on bosses compared to sin
fallen arch
Sin in mists 15
gusty mirage
well sin is better ST than outlaw, but outlaw is more consistent overall
fallen arch
Its pretty good damage actually
subtle tundra
a good outlaw player will do more damage than a good assa on average
honest heath
I got enough soul ash this week to craft zold...was using doomblade for sin and MA for outlaw...so maybe I'll try sin again this week with zold
gusty mirage
oh don't use doom in keys
honest heath
I didn't have MA yet for when I was sin lol.
limber lion
Oxi did you hear I might be trialing for a new guild :D
gusty mirage
can I transfer my rogue EU and come be a social in your new guild? 🙂
because this week of raid broke me
if you want how last night went in a nutshell check your discord dms cev lol
limber lion
Idk xd I still have an interview ahead of me. If I fuck up or they don't like me, I don't get the trial. So nothing's certain yet
Yeh, Whispyr told me and I saw him posting a bunch of clips in OT
Oh boy
alpine latch
I'd like to get back to that point one day.
I used to be a full 95% parser
Now I'm like 70%
I need to get over playing with friends and go for what I want
gusty mirage
you will, a lot of it has to do with the group you're playing with as well
alpine latch
yeah
gusty mirage
better players = cleaner boss fights = faster kills = higher dps
alpine latch
My Alliance guild doesn't care about Mythic. We kill 3 or so bosses and they all want to quit
spice spire
Some people are legit built different though
gusty mirage
so if you're parsing 70% in a shitshow, you're doing just fine
spice spire
Cev definitely built different
gusty mirage
True
alpine latch
I think it's time to just move on to a guild that actually wants to push for CE
gusty mirage
Cev's a legend
I think I've done okay in mythic given I was an aotc andy who mainly pushed keys for all of bfa lol
thorny pond
We jumping to EU now?
limber lion
Cev definitely built different
thorny pond
We bout to be assa only bois
Ass is back on the menu?
spice spire
Ass is back on the menu?
Always has been there
thorny pond
👨🚀 🔫 🧑🚀
alpine latch
With the right lady in your life ass is never off the menu
thorny pond
Or guy
echo cargo
alpine latch
As long as it's legal and consensual, all the ass you want.
timber crest
or
i still see people playing fae rogue lmao
spice spire
I like venthyr more
limber lion
<:sepsis:819633878616375317> or<:flag:819633878733160498> i still see people pl...
Necro > Venth > NF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kyrian
gusty mirage
poor owl boys 😦
alpine latch
Fuck boomies
My alliance rogue is a Kyrian
It's okay - I definitely like Necro more though
grizzled rock
what trinket should i use for sludge mythic
gusty mirage
what are your options
grizzled rock
i have vessel 220 a shitty totem from DoS at 226 and hateful chain at 213
stoic needle
Shadowgrasp is insane
grizzled rock
why is that?
gusty mirage
it's hasted
gusty mirage
we're not even trolling you, I use it over my 213 memory, 213 hateful chain, 226 skulker's and my 220 flayed wing
stoic needle
Shadowgrasp and vessel is probably best for sludge
limber lion
A lot of people use Memory/DFV
hollow river
Lol I got a total from dos and gave it away
stoic needle
make sure to use shadowgrasp on the lusted pillar
grizzled rock
ok
hollow river
Totem *
gusty mirage
you can use it on pull and just hold it for lusted pillar after
grizzled rock
how can i sim my overall dps gain from trinkets?
fallen arch
When u lust first pillar, when vendetta?
gusty mirage
if you lust first pillar, just hold vendetta for first pillar
fallen arch
Ok ty
dry copper
do openers feel awful if no lust for everyone? (DS)
honest heath
totem is only good for ST , right?
gusty mirage
totem's good for aoe too, it attacks the target you're targeting
fallen arch
I tried to ask for lust 2nd pillar for vendetta, they laughed me outta the room 
stoic needle
do openers feel *awful* if no lust for everyone? (DS)
Having to wait one second for energy to regen for garotte is not what I would describe as awful
hollow river
Why
honest heath
intersting. I remember getting it before on my guard druid and people saying it wasn't great since it triggered oddly
gusty mirage
if u lust third?
I believe you just vendetta 1st and 3rd pillar then
grizzled rock
ok ty @gusty mirage
heady rain
Yo what up! I was wondering if anyone knows how much worse Dashing Scoundrel is than Doomblade on Sire, I was messing around with a 190 yesterday and it actually felt pretty good! Just wondering others thoughts 🙂
limber lion
Yo what up! I was wondering if anyone knows how much worse Dashing Scoundrel is ...
They're very similar in output.
If DS feels better for you, then just keep playing it!
gusty mirage
yeah a lot of people don't realize that your comfort with your set-up matters as much as min-maxing
a certain set-up may be better on paper but if it doesn't agree well with your playstyle it might end up being a dps loss over your current set up
heady rain
My logs were like 94% ilvl the few pulls I used it I think I was probs not keeping up the DB on the adds enough
stoic needle
last time i simmed dashing was 80 dps less than doomblade for me, but it's less than that in the pins and on herodamage
muted ridge
How is Theotar in M+ for Assa? is it go to or Nadjia stays?
limber lion
How is Theotar in M+ for Assa? is it go to or Nadjia stays?
Yes, Theotar with Wasteland.
gusty mirage
theotar is solid for m+, the shade is a nice bump up in damage and procs quite a bit
heady rain
Thanks for the feedback y'all 🙂 much appreciated
timber crest
Necro > Venth > NF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kyrian
i just want kyrian to be good again 😦
obtuse ruin
is IQD oversimmed for m+? what are your thoughts on IQD vs Decanter? m+ only
gusty mirage
the sad part is Kyrian would be fine if they didn't nerf ER in early December
timber crest
the sad part is Kyrian would be fine if they didn't nerf ER in early December
can you blame them tho
gusty mirage
the conduit nerf really took a lot out of it for non-outlaw specs
timber crest
the 1 shot rogues were going insane
gusty mirage
yes I can, esp when pallies are running around critting wake of ashes for 17k and divine tolling you for a total of 21k
stoic needle
My logs were like 94% ilvl the few pulls I used it I think I was probs not keepi...
Doomblade doesn't work that way, it's the same damage whether you hit one target or 10 targets
timber crest
just with their macros
timber crest
yes I can, esp when pallies are running around critting wake of ashes for 17k an...
true, blizzard just doesnt give a shi* about palis and their 20k final recs =/
gusty mirage
there was a lot of cheese early on, but they could've nerfed it in JUST pvp as they've shown its possible. nerfing ER overall was just lazy
heady rain
Doomblade doesn't work that way, it's the same damage whether you hit one target...
So its actually not worth keeping up the mutilate bleed on off targets?
loud light
So its actually not worth keeping up the mutilate bleed on off targets?
doomblade stacks like ignite, you don't lose anything by mutilating a target that already has it
heady rain
doomblade stacks like ignite, you don't lose anything by mutilating a target tha...
Oh I actually didn't know that lol thanks!
devout hazel
yo guys
one fast question
when the pi is better
after lust finish
or when in the opner
when lust is up
limber lion
During cooldowns
So in the beginning with lust and then on just on cooldown
PI is a 2 minute cooldown and so is Vendetta.
drifting wagon
why muti and not ambush on opener?
limber lion
why muti and not ambush on opener?
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
drifting imp
am i crazy? did stuff like druid roar and mage buff always break stealth?
drifting imp
oh my gosh
thats it? i knew something was fishy
what other soulbind would you recomend for m+ then?
odd hazel
nadjia is fine
balmy condor
Optimally you’d go theotar with wasteland
odd hazel
ooo i honestly never even looked at the other ones lmao
balmy condor
But if you can’t be asked doing that because standing in things sucks you’d go double potency nadjia
drifting imp
thanks for the advice 🙂
odd hazel
what would the difference be on that whispyr? is it noticeable?
glass grotto
Does feint work on bloodprice ?
gusty mirage
I think it does if you're talented into elusiveness
one of the smarter people can confirm that though
balmy condor
Yeh elusiveness only
limber lion
Feint is a dps loss anyways, don't press it
stoic needle
Does damage taken count for your execution parse 
limber lion
Yes
odd hazel
you have a parse for everything basically i think
spice spire
Cev finna pad his healing parses for apps if this one falls through. Gonna spec into leaching + Master Poisoner for it 
stoic needle
Press feint on cd for that 100 execution parse 
It may be a slight dps loss but I like being one of the least healed targets on prog
cerulean nest
is there a way to see my dps during one specific segment of the fight over the course of many pulls (p1 council)? like I want to see how my initial frieda dmg was without going manually into every pull
nimble tartan
yes u can
on logs for whatever night u can click all wipes and kill and itll aggregate it all and then u can specify p1 frieda
limber lion
the energy?
Bingo
stoic needle
I don't think it's always a dps loss, but if you're pressing it in the middle of your rotation it probably is. but if you have to run off the target to get hit by wicked blades for example you may as well feint
limber lion
It is always a dps loss, unless if you're capping energy out of your control
Which is very rare, pretty much only on Sire/SKS.
But doesn't mean you shouldn't press it sometimes.
sacred isle
Dead men dont parse