i expect nothing else
#assassination
low girder
split grail
pale fossil
I wish I could tell you LOL
split grail
Sorry? I don't know what that means
spice spire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/XcC9mQpBHyM7qW3t/qMBj9Nt16FpgADHW#f...
Your kill timer is 5:50? That’s additional downtime compared to the top logs
icy ember
tiny smoke bomb 
low girder
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/XcC9mQpBHyM7qW3t/qMBj9Nt16FpgADHW#f...
well that's a problem right there
spice spire
Apologies, mobile didn’t have the compare up
split grail
Your kill timer is 5:50? That’s additional downtime compared to the top logs
Oh, so it's not really my fault and there's nothing I can do about it
spice spire
Mata identified a problem at least
But the long fight definitely won’t let you go for orange
low girder
well you wasted 6 envenoms worth of combo points between mut and garrote
so that's a good chunk right there
split grail
Pfft, I'm on Moon Guard, I aint getting orange parses
analog eagle
is hekili any good? im new to wow
willow eagle
Was gonna post that as well
fleet anchor
I wish I could tell you LOL
Like Rogues are basically garbo at P1 where it really doesn't matter at all and will make all of it up on the rest of the fight because we are OP on Sire
Both Rogues in my raid are bottom DPS in P1 right above the tanks
kind talon
Pfft, I'm on Moon Guard, I aint getting orange parses
that is a bad mentality bro
u got this
fleet anchor
Still finish the fight 1st or 2nd overall 🤣
stoic needle
There's good guilds on every server
kind talon
orange parse for the boys
willow eagle
Pfft, I'm on Moon Guard, I aint getting orange parses
You can get purple parses without relying too much on other people
willow eagle
That comes with experience
split grail
I;m saying I'm on moonguard. I'm not a hardcore raider
willow eagle
But you're wasting 24 combo points from mutilate and seal fate
low girder
SF is fine
don't look at that
those are gonna happen
mut/garrote/ambush though
very bad
spice spire
If you're just built different
This is very true
willow eagle
And you don't need to be hardcore to not overcap cp
split grail
I dump at 5 cp, what else should I be doing?
split grail
4*
low girder
if you're dumping at 4 that wouldn't happen
seal fate procs are counted separately in there
fleet anchor
So like
low girder
it means you're hitting mut at 4
split grail
I mean, I can only go buy what my WA is tellin me
fleet anchor
Judging Rogues on P1 Sire is just really not very smart
Because:
a) Rogues are boss at the rest of the fight
b) P1 damage doesn't matter for shit
By the time you're closing in on a kill you're gonna be calling stop DPS at the end of P1 anyway lol
low girder
whether it's your WA or you spamming mut too much, it's a thing to fix
a fairly major one
kind talon
fleet anchor
I think you should be able to minimize Seal Fate waste too.
kind talon
i dont understand ur talent choices
fleet anchor
Not all of it but most
gusty mirage
I dump at 5 cp, what else should I be doing?
might be a spell queue window issue
split grail
I can see how I could be rupturing at 4 though. I figured it was best to keep it up before envenom
kind talon
if ur playing vigor u should go EP
blindside pairs better with deeper stratagem
furthermore, you're using WPS instead of sudden fractures
low girder
that's just a natural thing i think koji, if you're not muting at 4 you'd minimize some of it
gusty mirage
yeah but we know you're a cyborg koji
low girder
comparatively
fleet anchor
lol
gusty mirage
also whispyr needs water and food, feed the poor man 😦
kind talon
Sadge
split grail
As far as talents and conduits I just go by what herodamage tells me
stoic needle
You should sim yourself
low girder
here's my shriekwing, idk why it's so spread out
fleet anchor
I don't really think there's anything particularly wrong with those talents
Vigor can be fine, depends on haste levels
Necro usually prefers Deeper but it's really close
Won't make that big of a difference
gusty mirage
My 97 parse on m shriek w/ 3 poisoned knife throws 
stoic needle
It's like within 10 dps for me
kind talon
personally id pair vigor with EP
fleet anchor
Mostly the CP loss is gonna be pretty huge though
low girder
yeah
fleet anchor
CP overcapping is just a lot of lost dps
stoic needle
I like blindside and sbs together
low girder
also you're running WPS, which is fine, it won't have an impact here, but i'd run sudden fractures
stoic needle
Many buttons to press
low girder
it's just as good on ST and better elsewhere
kind talon
yeppers
fleet anchor
Like biggest improvement here is to try to figure out why you are overcapping CP, maybe double-tapping buttons or something with the spell queue
Minimize that and your DPS will go up
low girder
dropping my spellqueue to 120 or whatever it's at was one of the best things i ever did
'cause i spam
gusty mirage
I feel like spell queue is a big contributor to overcapping CP
low girder
real hard
split grail
Yeah, it's probably that. I just spam mut until my WA tells me to dump
gusty mirage
yeah that's 100% it
kind talon
yup
stoic needle
Well don't just blindly trust the WA
fleet anchor
Generally you can be a little more deliberate as Assassination
It's not so much a spam spec
fleet anchor
Need to react to Seal Fate CP gen
kind talon
fuck off im cracked
low girder
LOL
low girder
i'm scared to look at my council overcaps
kind talon
thanks
stoic needle
I'm scared to look at my slg cp
kind talon
im pretty sure my ambush overcaps
were both before intermission
to get full cp slam before boss went immune
not sure tho
low girder
oh
kind talon
maybe im just pepegeWeird
fleet anchor
lol my SLG is actually not as bad as I thought it might be
low girder
i thought it would be so much worse
fleet anchor
split grail
Thanks for all the help. I'll make some changes and see how things go
kind talon
3 wasted on mut
whose kill
low girder
mine, on council tonight
kind talon
i fucking
hate
assa on council
feels unplayable
but
tbf i didnt have any balance druids
when i progged
low girder
it's awful but i had literally never stepped foot in that room on mythic
before tonight
low girder
i will
kind talon
letsgo
fleet anchor
lol my Council has a lot of SBS waste
low girder
7/10 on the first reclear in one night was also pretty good
so i can at least feel good about that
kind talon
lol my Council has a lot of SBS waste
as it should as it should
fleet anchor
kind talon
yeppers
fleet anchor
I could probably dump better
kind talon
probably not
low girder
45 lmao
kind talon
ur getting like
forest vigil
anyone got a good WA? been running Luxthos for a while but kinda meh about it
kind talon
6-8 cp per
low girder
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
kind talon
later on
stoic needle
I know my slg sbs waste is gonna be rough because I'd sbs skirmishers while getting pushed off to try to kill them faster
forest vigil
yeah looked into those already, not interested in those either
kind talon
its min 4
fleet anchor
Yeah I mean SBS waste isn't really "bad" in some situations
Snipes before deaths are mostly free damage, CP waste or not
low girder
i'm personally running luxthos' just, somewhat heavily edited
fleet anchor
Since SBS is so cheap
low girder
because there's some weird stuff about his
stoic needle
ok not as bad as i thought
kind talon
yep
fleet anchor
Think I could still do better though.
low girder
if i could get the renown up by tomorrow night i would go necro right now. flag on council
makes me wanna die
kind talon
lol
stoic needle
kekw
torn atlas
because there's some weird stuff about his
I prefer Lux over the two in the pins simply for the pandemic highlight. Which unless I'm full blind, are absent on the other two.
fleet anchor
Our push timings are fairly awkward for Assassination
fleet anchor
But mostly I just need a pull where I get in melee range of the P3 add during dance
gusty mirage
makes me wanna die
council makes me want to die, regardless of covenant and spec tbh
fleet anchor
One of these days
lol
That's probably an easy 200-300 DPS gain
Just requires some luck
kind talon
pressing fok for CP 🤮
i mean u still are no?
stoic needle
i mean u still are no?
not nearly as much
stoic needle
on my kill i pressed fok 38 times
i pressed SBS 38 as well
but most of those FOK presses were after vanish with MA buff
which makes it less dogshit
low girder
I prefer Lux over the two in the pins simply for the pandemic highlight. Which u...
dunno, never used. but luxthos also has weird shiny SND while it's running which just bugs the crap out of me, and for outlaw it shows the duration of BtE instead of the cooldown
stoic needle
koji only had 36 
fleet anchor
I mean we also kill it really fast
kind talon
i expect at least 50
stoic needle
honestly skirmishers die so fast i don't even have time to sbs them
alot of the time
i'm focused on pumping boss/goliath
fleet anchor
I mean I have 29 on Sire in 7 minutes but I don't really think it's less resets honestly
stoic needle
like i shiv the goliath as the skirmishers come up and they're dead before the debuff wears off
fleet anchor
There's a ton of adds in P2 on Sire
Like with our SLG timings we skip an entire Skirmisher wave in P2 for example
And ignore the 2nd Skirmishers in P3
Because boss is basically dead
Faster you push the less adds there are
Also can't really DoT all of them with SBS unless you waste charges to buffer 3 charges before add waves
At that point I'd rather put a bit more into the boss
kind talon
a big part of sbs optimization is to use excess charges as adds are dying
pretty poggers
fleet anchor
And I usually put on the Goliath first to prioritize more useful damage rather than on the first Skirmisher
stoic needle
do you vendetta Kaal on the pull so it comes off cd for the first goliath in the intermission or do you hold it for the first goliath in p1?
fleet anchor
But like SLG is really only like a 5 minute fight
in a 7:20 package
With standing around waiting for bullshit in intermissions
When you shouldn't be padding 😛
fleet anchor
Yeah I'm just saying comparing to 7 minutes on Sire isn't really 1:1
stoic needle
true
fleet anchor
Like we only get 8 targets in P2, 4 in P2 Intermission, and 1 wave of 3 adds in P3
It's actually not that much in SLG tbh
If you are killing fast
stoic needle
we had 4 groups of commandos , 6 goliaths, and 5 groups of skirmishers
subtle tundra
if i have 0 mythic parses do i win?
kind talon
yes
subtle tundra
fight me in mythic parses then.
subtle tundra
🦆
fleet anchor
14 recharges from cooldown, bosses don't die.. so basically high 30s/low 40s is probably about as much as you can expect on SLG once you consider downtime with speed strat.
Unless you are padding on Commandos you shouldn't touch 😄
stoic needle
i honestly can't wait for next tier so i never have to do SLG again tbh
stoic needle
it's so weirdly designed
subtle tundra
my guild master hasnt put me on slg for 2 months now
stoic needle
KT is so much better than SLG it makes me wonder if they were designed by the same company
fleet anchor
Should have never gone live even remotely like it did
subtle tundra
but i've been on every single sire kill
kind talon
gg
fleet anchor
It's a shame SLG really soured prog for me, because Sire is really pretty fun
Has a few annoying parts but mostly a cool fight
gloomy knoll
sire is good fight
stoic needle
i can't imagine how much worse it was prenerf
steep obsidian
the p1 sire lag is annoying as fk
nighthunters going off at the same time as blood price
fun shit
fleet anchor
Yeah when the servers get all wonky
subtle tundra
my only complaint about sire is that its scripted af
stoic needle
just download more ram 
fleet anchor
It's really bad
kind talon
download more braincells
stoic needle
every fight this tier seems scripted
kind talon
it worked for me
stoic needle
ngl
kind talon
i have at least 6 now
ye
they are very scripted
shriek hunts
sunking is probbaly the worst
sire is bad
stoic needle
on a spec like sin with no variation in its cooldowns
its kinda great but also kinda awful
fleet anchor
I don't mind fights being a bit scripted
fleet anchor
SLG has stupid spell queue issues
kind talon
gg
stoic needle
holding dps
fleet anchor
It's designed to make people quit the game and unsub
kind talon
my facial muscles are hurting from grinning too much
fuck off
stop making me laugh
idiot
fleet anchor
Blizzard raid designers really need to like.. never design another dumb fight that requires stop DPS push timings again
Because this tier made me want to puke
kind talon
yep
kind talon
i want a fight where i can just
go full omega strongman
hit the boss
gg
ive had to stop dps on arti
fleet anchor
But Xymox/Council/SLG/Sire in particular were just annoying af
stoic needle
i'm not gonna lie like I stopped playing classic because I had to hold dps all the time
fleet anchor
Doing more damage shouldn't make a fight harder
stoic needle
no thunderfury on horde with full world buffs
fleet anchor
It's just terrible design
fleet anchor
Every so often you get the odd fight in the past where you had to stop
stoic needle
every vael was "get 10 windfury procs, rip threat, die"
fleet anchor
Like dumb Mannoroth or something
But this tier was ott
All the DPS in our guild literally want to murder our raid leader every time he says "hold dps"
stoic needle
yeah i think its just fundamentally bad game design to punish someone for being able to perform well on their spec
fleet anchor
Worst part is how hard it is to control DPS in WoW honestly lol
Hard stops are basically impossible
And damage patterns RNG change a lot
stoic needle
oh yeah
my favorite thing in classic was that the threat meters were all 1 gcd behind
kind talon
issue in wow
stopping dmg just
cucks all ur timings and shit
makes ur dps decrease by a lot
esp if u play outlaw
stoic needle
so by the grace of god i'd get 3 windfury procs in a row and do 10k threat in 2 seconds, steal aggro from the boss and die
steep obsidian
i press escape when the raid leader says to hold coz i konw other shitheads wont
stoic needle
yeah they design the specs so that you're supposed to press everything on cd
fleet anchor
lol but then like you have the other side of that
Where you know the raid leader is calling too early
So you can't REALLY stop DPS
steep obsidian
then its his fault
steep obsidian
my being a simp and stopping is factors into that
stoic needle
kind talon
nah like one time on arti
RL called for stop dps
and i refreshed my bleeds and built to full cp
kind talon
and then our hunter with like 2 brain cells started screaming at me
fleet anchor
But DPS is so hard to control
fleet anchor
In a lot of ways
Like for example on SLG we had one pull where one of the officers was like "ok, put a little bit more into the Goliath"
stoic needle
my RL was said stop dps so i was like "ok fine i'll just auto attack" nope, triggered a shield during an eruption and wiped us because half the dps were soaking
steep obsidian
MY FKN PARSE MAN
fleet anchor
And all the sudden the Goliath is getting fucking murdered to shit
And I'm kinda sitting there like "well yeah what did you expect?"
Most specs aren't really designed to just be able to do a "little" more damage to a target
Like wtf are you gonna do
You either damage or you don't
And target swapping is just straight bad for many specs
So doing this kind of thing is just inherently really difficult in WoW
All these super precise timings are really annoying
Having a couple of them is fine, but it's gotten a little out of control it feels like
Half of why SLG feels terrible is it's literally "Push Timings: The Game"
Every damn mob in the entire fight has HP% push timings
💤
stoic needle
I can't entirely tell yet but at least sanctum doesn't seem to have a ton of that
low girder
"I Heard You Like Za'qul"
fleet anchor
Za'qul was probably in the running for worst fight in recent memory before SLG came along
lol
fleet anchor
I'm gonna go out on a limb
low girder
good stuff
fleet anchor
And say the fights were almost certainly designed by the same guy lol
low girder
lmao
fleet anchor
What I find amusing about SLG too
Is that the Commandos literally never worked correctly
stoic needle
What were they supposed to do?
pulsar flare
hey for m+ zoldyck is as good as MA?
fleet anchor
Commandos were supposed to be immune to AoE
stoic needle
hey for m+ zoldyck is as good as MA?
Better
kind talon
hey for m+ zoldyck is as good as MA?
zoldyck is better 😄
stoic needle
Commandos were supposed to be immune to AoE
Wow I am very glad that they were broken then
pulsar flare
oki ty
stoic needle
What the hell
kind talon
werent they
stoic needle
Who's idea was that Jesus
pulsar flare
and should i put it on feet or legs?
fleet anchor
Nah pretty sure it's always been broken and they get hit by everything
stoic needle
Yeah that's why they stacked hunters originally
But then they learned it was everything
kind talon
gg
brisk drum
Like for example on SLG we had one pull where one of the officers was like "ok, ...
our raid had one dps switch at a time for that reason
stoic needle
and should i put it on feet or legs?
Legs, or feet if you think you will mythic raid next tier
brisk drum
but yeah the whole fight is annoying
fleet anchor
I mean I'm guessing the original idea was that you had to focus them down one at a time
Which sounds annoying but I get what they were going for I suppose
Fight really should have been like half the length though, not totally sure what the thought process was
stoic needle
low girder
at least the original one
kind talon
14
stoic needle
14 minutes of slg
stoic needle
It just works so well
kind talon
stoic needle
Cursed emotes are the best emotes
kind talon
i love how pissed skip gets
that guy needs a therapist man
LOL
my dude was PRESSED about ur pepege emote
final star
Fight really should have been like half the length though, not totally sure what...
You can reduce the fight length by taking a p1/p2 goliath into intermission
Which gives 6 total anima from goliaths meaning only 4 commandos required
Or whatever they are
icy wyvern
hey folks, I've been waiting for the Mort'regars tower rotation for the Doomblade legendary but it's been 3 weeks now and still not the right rotation is there any other way to get it ?
balmy condor
spam layer 3 of twisting corridors until you get mort'regar
you just keep resetting until you get it
icy wyvern
dam you can do that I didn't know
balmy condor
and then run that
icy wyvern
Allright then it's 100% chance to get it ?
icy wyvern
allright thanks men !
fleet anchor
You can reduce the fight length by taking a p1/p2 goliath into intermission
Yeah sure but this wasn’t really practical with the original tuning.
I mean it’s pretty common now but not so much back when it was first designed
final star
Yeah, they dropped the ball with the fight as a whole
So any design choice for it was poor
fleet anchor
Timings are really HP dependent because you don’t have a ton of flexibility with how quickly you can kill the Goliath
Leave it up too long and it one shots people. Leave it as stone too long and you all die. So just depends on how the timings align.
Current HP values allow for a less terrible strat at least
final star
As well as the heal reduction scaling up instead of starting at 100%
unkempt oracle
i have a really dumb question to ask
assuming equal skill and gear, on single target bosses, does sin or outlaw do more damage?
keen cairn
Sin
balmy condor
Agreed
compact pumice
I would argue that optimizing Sin is easier so assuming lower skill then very much Sin.
teal bloom
How would you use Overcharged Anima Battery? On cd or with vendetta? I got 226 one from vault and it only sims 6 dps higher than 220 Dreadfire Vessel so idk if it's even worth taking over stygia
kind talon
Stygia never sounded better
teal bloom
I guess I'll just take stygia for that juicy 1/10 of a socket
balmy condor
outer lodge
kind talon
subtle tundra
pvp
placid rose
For some reason my sims tell me to swap haste ench to crit on one ring and change one gem on that same ring from crit to haste. Why is that? The stats are identical
fallen arch
Sim gods are fucking with ya
balmy condor
Because that’s probably what popped out as the highest
fallen arch
To burn a little bit more gold, Blizz is probably pulling strings at the simbots
balmy condor
And there’s 9517 other combinations that are within 2 dps most likely
With an error margin of like 8
outer lodge
just swap the gems instead of the enchants - gems are so cheap
outer lodge
or that
kind talon
There’s a little button you can press called “show sidegrades”
Gems are always in there
If it’s within the margin of error just don’t bother imo
placid rose
Yeah not going to swap. Just got confused cause it was the first time seeing that
limber lion
It happens quite a bit with huge gem/enchant sims
kind talon
curious
icy wyvern
spam layer 3 of twisting corridors until you get mort'regar
Hey budd how can I know i'm in the right one ?
:3
Ho I found out
thanks
night prawn
I just got a 226 IQD and i've been told it doesn't sim well, is it actually any good? I have Dreadfire and Phial already
limber lion
I just got a 226 IQD and i've been told it doesn't sim well, is it actually any ...
IQD is the best trinket for Venthyr rogues, you just need to have crit as your highest stat.
What ilvl are your DFV and Phial?
night prawn
220 and 226
limber lion
Are you Venthyr?
night prawn
Yes
limber lion
You should 100% use IQD and Phial then.
You get 25s of crit during lust windows every time which is huge for Flagellation
night prawn
Alright, thank you 🙂
limber lion
During Master Assassin windows you have 100% crit chance if you have around 30% base crit
night prawn
I need to focus on restating a bit then as my Mastery is a little higher
hollow dirge
Never tried this infinitely divisible ooze, got it in the vault. Other two slots are badly itemised feet and ring.
Is it any good?
I’m good on trinkets, but like to try out different combinations .
Basically picking between trying that out or taking the stygia 😂
arctic walrus
Idk you try simming it?
hollow dirge
Just about to
nimble tartan
guys i played ct on sire mythic and did less dam than normal 😆
arctic walrus
How come
limber lion
Never tried this infinitely divisible ooze, got it in the vault. Other two slots...
Might as well take it and try it out. It's not the best trinket in the world, but it's fine.
misty holly
For some reason my sims tell me to swap haste ench to crit on one ring and chang...
As soon as you make that change and resim I bet it tells you to switch back lol
placid rose
Yeah it did. But on the other ring 😂
limber lion
It makes no difference
rain mortar
I want to try necro so bad, but venth just feels so strong
cyan zinc
necro is boring in raids
rain mortar
sad 😦
grim hornet
im finding necro to be kinda funny in MM denathrius progress, tbh
cyan zinc
it feels nice any time theres adds if you can save 1 or 2 charges for it
cyan zinc
vendetta doesnt scale DFV, id assume?
modern kindle
trying to prep an assassination rogue for 9.1, do we have any idea of best legendaries en covenants yet?
fallen arch
Check pins
timber basalt
on 2T do we always apply CT even in shiv window?
void moss
So I assume necro for mplus and venth for st? I’m also prepping sin for 9.1
sinful cradle
You can safely play necro for both st and m+
void moss
Tyvm
lavish grove
Do you guys think the 235 leggo base items will be more pricey in 9.1? Are you crafting any other backup leggos? Maybe Scoundrel?
stoic needle
There will probably be a bunch of people trying to drive up the prices but I don't think it'll last
I'm crafting some sub legendaries
If I don't like sub for whatever reason I'd try out DS but I probably wouldn't upgrade it to lvl 6 for a long time
limber lion
on 2T do we always apply CT even in shiv window?
Yes
strange python
back in the boner ass gang 
stoic needle
lavish grove
Same 😄 I kinda like the extra button
craggy oak
Any good WA's to track total number of ruptures/garrotes you have out
wary pawn
got 226 IQD from vault (only did 1 mythic last week), sims +20 dps over my 226 skulker should i use it on pull/4 pilar for sludge or 1 pilar / 4 pilar?
drifting cloud
you probably shouldnt use iqd on sludge
stoic needle
You can use it fine
stoic needle
You get stats on pull and stats in lust
north basin
St venthyr vs st necro only 20 dps difference?
strange python
whats the highest mythic sire p3 sin parse youve seen
limber lion
Around 7.2k, but you can probably still squeeze quite a bit more if you have very high uptime and don't get cucked by mechanics.
placid dawn
what would be a good number to aim for on a first kill?
plain onyx
which potency conduit is should be using for fortified weeks guys? Sudden Fractures or Poisoned Katar ?
iron orchid
poisoned katar is pretty bad as necro sin imo
just run sudden fractures on most content and you'll be very fine
some very specific situations would make you play wps (sludgefist fight for example) but that's the only time I'd switch from sudden fractures
thin trout
so about Shiv, i know that in the opener we want to do it before we vanish, but what about anything besides the opener, do we want to use it before we envnoment or just on CD/
spice spire
On CD
thin trout
but still never on max CP right?
red plaza
On CD, should be pooling and refreshing dots before shiv windows so that you're just spamming mutilates and envenoms.
plain thistle
but still never on max CP right?
yes, even on max CP
thin trout
;o ok
wary ice
in pins; the AoE /Cleave comparisons, is the dungeon slice w/o Zoldyck using doomblade? its using MA i found it
stark oxide
W8 wut [Count the Odds] work in assassination?
thorny pond
why would it
oak jungle
ambush
strange python
it does but yeah only on ambush 
sonic schooner
Ayo cutiiiiies! Zoldyck would be better on legs right?
ebon notch
i sim almost 7k and i just did heroic artificer and got 5.5k
sonic schooner
👀
sinful cradle
Did you sim with all buffs
thorny pond
at that parse it's basically RNG.
Wasted 2 CP on garrote overages, and 2 from blindside
ebon notch
Did you sim with all buffs
yeah, forgot to take out the windfury totem
ionic kelp
did u forget to pot?
spice spire
Wasted some combo points
sinful cradle
cuz if you do, i see no monk debuff or wf
ionic kelp
not potting is probably a larger dps loss than mt or wft but ya it adds up
thorny pond
No Monk, No Pot, No WF, few wasted CP
ionic kelp
also the kill is on the slower side to parse higher
simple wadi
Yea - most top parses will be able to line up second vendetta + lust because you won't get a third
thorny pond
The ele ret and demo lock holding you back bro
ebon notch
lost 150 dps on sim taking out windfury
nahh its a heroic boss
ill bring mythic logs later and i see how i do
shriek -> sludge -> slg -> sire
cerulean nest
anything new ptr-wise for rogues? havent tuned in in a week or so
cinder fulcrum
anything new ptr-wise for rogues? havent tuned in in a week or so
Nope
cerulean nest
sick
thorny pond
sick
Sometimes we just don't want to be touched. Some QoL stuff maybe but as of now what would they do for us?
grizzled root
stone or oil in raids?
fallen fable
Oil
subtle tundra
only whispy can know
final star
Just proving a point
subtle tundra
what point
final star
that this opener is correct for necro assassination
subtle tundra
if only whispyr could answer 😦
balmy condor
What we arguing about
shell kettle
I can't find anything in the pins right now but I vividly remember there being a notion of always opening with mut from stealth regardless of anything
solid venture
Is agi pot better than phantomfire for assa?
balmy condor
Not necessarily
subtle tundra
I can't find anything in the pins right now but I vividly remember there being a...
that was between mut and ambush
balmy condor
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
balmy condor
But like why the ping
final star
balmy condor
Oof
subtle tundra
what a lad, that whysper
final star
absolute mad lad
shell kettle
balmy condor
It’s crazy how spelling my name completely wrong isn’t even the most cringe thing in there
Wild
shell kettle
Tsssk, fine lol. Put me on the spot 
In the web of information its easy to get tangled without proper explanation as to why things are the way that they are.
But we've had that chat before 
balmy condor
Generally speaking, sims are more correct than me
subtle tundra
but it wouldnt sound too good wbw
shell kettle
Sims are a computer, without the proper background they aren't worth jack shit
And im not a programmer so I have to either trust the computer or what i (believe i am) being told, neither are ideal
balmy condor
Yeah but the computer is a conglomeration of what we say in here
sharp nebula
hei guys how does recuperater work as assa rogue since you dont refresh slice and dice technically ?
odd hazel
as long as you have SnD up it works
subtle tundra
yes it works its just hp regen while having the buff
sharp nebula
i see ty
nimble tartan
And im not a programmer so I have to either trust the computer or what i (believ...
this some anti vaccine energy rn
haha jk bro im just havin a laff
final star
the sims are turning the frogs gay
balmy condor
Like for example yes I’m the guy to ask about all the mut ambush stealth no stealth stuff
shell kettle
Not really man, its this human defactor called interpretation.. combine that with memory and you can get some weird results
zenith sky
Not really man, its this human defactor called interpretation.. combine that wit...
what
shell kettle
spice spire
For the “what to dos” sims generally are best resource. For the “why is it this way” whispyr is great
odd hazel
as long as he whyspers them :^)
balmy condor
For the “what to dos” sims generally are best resource. For the “why is it this ...
Well there’s significant overlap between the two is the point
spice spire
That’s fair
balmy condor
as long as he *whyspers* them :^)
Whesypsyrs* thank you
odd hazel
spice spire
Whesypsyrs* thank you
Whispspspspyrs*
final star
Not really man, its this human defactor called interpretation.. combine that wit...
the human what
odd hazel
i mean
if the computer isn't giviing you the result you asked it to. prob put some stuff in wrong
balmy condor
What
odd hazel
balmy condor
The sim outputs what our current understanding is of the best rotation
odd hazel
gusty mirage
Whispspspspyrs*
I see you're a man of culture as well
final star
evo I'm worried
balmy condor
Have you never spspspsps to a cat
spice spire
It’s because whispyr is so special 🙂
final star
are you okay sir
shell kettle
What?
spice spire
Fuck you guys were straight with him :/
zenith sky
wym straight im gay with everyone? 🏳️🌈
spice spire
Definitely meant honest - not sexual preference here 
gusty mirage
shell kettle
odd hazel
ORRR....did you?
spice spire
No, I was on the angle of honesty. 
limber swallow
gusty mirage
this kind of degeneracy is usually reserved for early morning GMT or late night EST for us americans
I'm proud of you all
spice spire
Degeneracy in this upstanding discord? I’ve never
limber lion
balmy condor
spice spire
limber swallow
pliant apex
Can skulkers be a bad choice dps/parse wise on bosses with adds?
Like inerva or council ?
balmy condor
Council can suck because it can hit a boss that would heal
But nothing wrong with it on inerva
nimble tartan
u can play around it on council by using it on attendants making its way in
thats what i did on prog with skulkers was actually nice
balmy condor
Yeh that works
pliant apex
Yeh that works
Besides council, think I should be able to use skulkers on all bosses?
balmy condor
You can use skulkers on everything
You just have to be careful not to slam it into an immune boss
balmy condor
Yes
odd hazel
That 13 ilvls is a lot which is why skulkers is better
pliant apex
Hmm
nimble tartan
think of it this way dfv heroic is very good even at 220 and then skulkers at 226 is just numerically better with a pretty negligible downside
skulkers also easy value vs memory max stack where everyone gonna wanna use around same time
limber lion
ST + pot
loud light
I will miss SBS
the bone bros will remember this betrayal
until you do your weekly quest
next solar
is there anyway to track sudden fracture procs in wcl?
limber lion
What are we, if not slaves to this torment?
limber lion
is there anyway to track sudden fracture procs in wcl?
It is listed in the damage as a separate thing.
next solar
oh wait, or is one of the ids the proc
im guessing one ID is the initial hit, one is the dot, and the other is the SF proc?
yup, i see now
dawn ivy
limber lion
im guessing one ID is the initial hit, one is the dot, and the other is the SF p...
Bingo!
next solar
sheesh thats underwhelming lol and its simming higher than WPS
queen galleon
Is there a point in haste when you don't feel like jumping from a bridge bcs of energy regen ?
limber lion
Is there a point in haste when you don't feel like jumping from a bridge bcs of ...
No,.
next solar
yeah sbs + SF is around 5-600 dps by itself
limber lion
We don't have any breakpoints or anything of the sort.
next solar
^
queen galleon
So starvation is for ever ?
balmy condor
sin is a slow spec
limber lion
Assassination is just a slower spec
balmy condor
why is this a surprise
limber lion
<:SucksMan:586205462010003456> So starvation is for ever ?
We call it "pooling" not starving
;)
rain mortar
The spec doesnt feel too slow to me. It feels like you take little naps and then go boom
i like that
queen galleon
I always fail to pool, ADHD's problem I guess 
next solar
theres your issue
queen galleon
Are you pooling 80+ for shiv ?
So you can put as much envenom as possible ?
Shiv**
odd hazel
I’ve been debating going SBS again but meh
vagrant bison
how big of a dps loss is not pooling? i am trying to master the fundamentals and haven't pooled once so far
limber lion
how big of a dps loss is not pooling? i am trying to master the fundamentals and...
It's not much. Like you are doing, you should focus on the essentials and whatnot first and start actively focusing on pooling when you got the basics down.
It's not exactly difficult to pool, but I guess it can be overwhelming if it's still a relatively new spec.
frail fossil
Any Venthyr boys
wont miss u
spice spire
Any Venthyr boys
Welcome papi
limber lion
Good for you. 
nimble tartan
i would if i had the macro i just lazy bro
radiant fossil
!opener
bleak sun
compact pumice
i would if i had the macro i just lazy bro
is there a macro? I just do it manually like a pleb
nimble tartan
someone said they use one to auto swap back for you on press yeah
winter gale
If I cloak fatal finesse do I drop it on that spot or I can carry it where Iwant?
odd hazel
For you necro boners, what’s your stat weights like ? Do you favor haste over crit ?
pure bridge
If I cloak fatal finesse do I drop it on that spot or I can carry it where Iwan...
I believe it's carry where you want, but you really shouldn't be cloaking that mechanic. Cloaks should be done to avoid Blood Price, specially on the last pie slice.
dull cloak
is having 0 mastery poggers or no
prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
As Necro do i open with Muta or SBS?
SBS
limber lion
I assume that's for single target / no subterfuge?
It's MA specifically. With Subterfuge you would garrote.
On 2T with MA you would SBS - SnD - SBS
limber swallow
got it got it. I switched to SBS yesterday so I feel like a newborn baby all over again
limber lion
It's a lot of fun
limber swallow
yea, it was even fun on SLG as outlaw last night
limber lion
It's definitely the most interactive and fun covenant ability.
limber lion
you're a lot of fun
no, u
limber swallow
you're a lot of fun
your face is a lot of fun?!
limber lion
balmy condor
your face is a lot of fun?!
you mom is a lot of fun
limber swallow
you mom is a lot of fun
completely agree.
frail fossil
you're a lot of fun
you're the funnier
balmy condor
you're the funnier <:blusherbucket:765735693975552010>
funnier looking
stole my hairstyle from a circus
frail fossil
stole my hairstyle from a circus
the only circus you're in is my heart
balmy condor
down bad
echo geyser
is there anything u can cloak in p3 sire?
limber lion
Blood Price preemptively
echo geyser
the pizza slice is phys?
limber lion
The Ravage cast itself, yes.
echo geyser
alright
limber lion
You can walk on the red stuff with cloak if that's something you want to do
echo geyser
u know any toys i can mimick a flag to step to?
limber lion
Nope, they removed all of those from the game in 8.0
echo geyser
stoic needle
For you necro boners, what’s your stat weights like ? Do you favor haste over cr...
As necro it weights haste and crit roughly equally
Makes sense because sbs is hasted and with the conduit it can crit
odd hazel
so you go SF instead of steel?
sinful cradle
sf for all bosses except sludge
stoic needle
Yep
mighty elm
@sinful cradle 
frigid kestrel
So ive never tried MFD in M+, out of pure curiosity... whats the opener? Garrote x4 > CT > MFD > Rupture?
Thinking about trying it out a bit, see how it feels
echo geyser
pretty sure youd mfd and get snd up first unless u already have it
spice spire
^
sinful cradle
<@!118026031331409926> <:KEKWTF:724729944697077820>
frigid kestrel
Well after 1st pack SnD should be always up ye?
So what do i do after first pack?
echo geyser
i dont know never played assa in m+
id assume ud mfd CT as first spell
oh wait u have to garrote
frigid kestrel
i dont know never played assa in m+
The answer is yes, it is always up
echo geyser
mfd sounds weird for assa tbh
frigid kestrel
id assume ud mfd CT as first spell
Makes zero sense to do that to me, since you will miss out on an Empowered garrote
frigid kestrel
mfd sounds weird for assa tbh
Yes it does, which is why i never ran it
echo geyser
at least u can use it for keeping up alacrity in downtimes higher than 20sec
frigid kestrel
But willing try it out due to boredom
echo geyser
does assa have the cdr part?
frigid kestrel
does assa have the cdr part?
yes
echo geyser
nah it doesnt but its 30sec cd instead of 1min on outlaw
frigid kestrel
nah it doesnt but its 30sec cd instead of 1min on outlaw
I thought you were talking aobut toe actual MFD resetting
plain thistle
you can do something like: g > g > g > fok > ct > mfd > rupture, or fok > rupture > mfd > ct
if playing with subterfuge
echo geyser
just feels like mfd has less value for assa cause u already get so much cp in aoe with fok right?
frigid kestrel
you can do something like: g > g > g > fok > ct > mfd > rupture, or fok > ruptur...
4 G's are better to CT into vs wasting the extra CP a FOK will give you after getting three CP's
echo geyser
or do u guys not run high crit mastery for m+
frigid kestrel
Plus you get an extra bleed up
frigid kestrel
or do u guys not run high crit mastery for m+
Ye
plain thistle
if playing with NS "build" you do mfd > ct from stealth
frigid kestrel
if playing with NS "build" you do mfd > ct from stealth
Ye, but that builds only good with low keys from what ive been hearing
frigid kestrel
just feels like mfd has less value for assa cause u already get so much cp in ao...
Uhh most of the time ye, FoK aint like it use to be in BFA. Sometimes you get 1cp and other times you get 2 - 4
echo geyser
whats the target cap?
stoic needle
4 G's are better to CT into vs wasting the extra CP a FOK will give you after ge...
fok > the 4th garotte imo because it spreads poisons
stoic needle
just feels like mfd has less value for assa cause u already get so much cp in ao...
mfd has less value because spamming finishers just doesn't do the same thing for sin as it does for outlaw
we don't have CDR
frigid kestrel
mfd has less value because spamming finishers just doesn't do the same thing for...
So why does it sim higher?
I cant understand that
stoic needle
because technically it is better
but it's not good enough in practice to make it worth the effort
plain thistle
fok > the 4th garotte imo because it spreads poisons
not sure if it is actually, I suggest 3 garrotes but looking at ryfie running dungeons I think he always garrote 4 times
echo geyser
do people also play deeper in m+ as assa or most vigor?
stoic needle
unless you're a godlike mfd gamer
stoic needle
not sure if it is actually, I suggest 3 garrotes but looking at ryfie running du...
i mean to be completely honest i dont think it matters at all
stoic needle
do people also play deeper in m+ as assa or most vigor?
vigor, we definitely don't have enough crit on gear to run deeper in M+ yet. maybe with deathspike
stoic needle
rupture does more than garrote or no?
it does
frigid kestrel
fok > the 4th garotte imo because it spreads poisons
hmmm so my G x 4 > CT > SBSx2 > R > SBS > R
Should instead be
G x 3 FoK > CT > SBSx2 > R > SBS > R
plain thistle
for sure, slight variations to a opener shouldnt make a huge difference
stoic needle
but the DPR of a fok is probably more than an unempowered garotte when you consider the poisons
stoic needle
hmmm so my G x 4 > CT > SBSx2 > R > SBS > R
Should instead be
G x 3 FoK > CT > ...
yeah i do the 2nd one
safe pendant
Anyone else ever cry when you vanish > env > mut and then your mutilate doesn't crit in the MA window? Because I do
echo geyser
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ePzEwN4ff8G2VMHmG6Jttu can i even get anything better?
plain thistle
hmmm so my G x 4 > CT > SBSx2 > R > SBS > R
Should instead be
G x 3 FoK > CT > ...
looking at ryfie opener he uses the first one
but he FoKs before second rupture
stoic needle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ePzEwN4ff8G2VMHmG6Jttu can i even get any...
zoldyck instead of DB
plain thistle
probably to spread poisons
stoic needle
o wait nvm
echo geyser
for st raid setup
stoic needle
i thought that was a dungeon slice setupo
frigid kestrel
well then i could buy the 4G argument
Honestly the difference in the 2 is almost nothing since the cost of SbS is so low and you will legi get into FoK spams withing 4 seconds anyways. But i get that what hes saying could be more efficient.
stoic needle
yeah nah thats pretty much bis
echo geyser
just venthyr could push it right
frigid kestrel
looking at ryfie opener he uses the first one
Ye he does
stoic needle
actually i think the 226 halls neck is better than the spires neck for necro
and yea venthyr
plain thistle
I would go with that then
jaunty kayak
flag on cd or always with vendetta (pull, 2nd, 4th pillar) on mythic sludge?
stoic needle
<:FeelsWeird:585739277120307220>
can i help you? 
plain thistle
flag on cd or always with vendetta (pull, 2nd, 4th pillar) on mythic sludge?
on pillars with vendetta
frigid kestrel
I would go with that then
Thats what i do currently anyways, He will even admit he doesn't do everything optimized. Little things like this make small differences anyways (Like him almost never CTing in ST). I ask these questions out of pure curiosity and for discussions sake.
jaunty kayak
on pillars with vendetta
cheers😁
plain thistle
Thats what i do currently anyways, He will even admit he doesn't do everything o...
yeah for sure, I personally dont like to do 4 garrote without vigor
because you have 50 less energy
but with vigor that opener looks nicer
frigid kestrel
Ye i use Vigor, im thinking of testing out MFD out of pure Boredom.
frigid kestrel
ANy big tips for SLG Mythic
nimble tartan
kill goliath
frigid kestrel
CaUSE....... Im currently like fuck that fught
nimble tartan
vendetta goliaths
echo geyser
which soulbind do u guys go for venthyr ST?
frigid kestrel
Necro > Venth for this fight ye?
nimble tartan
i do opener boss vendetta goliaths last vendetta p3
gusty mirage
which soulbind do u guys go for venthyr ST?
nadjia