assassination

[compact pumice]

Isn't there a plater tut? Seems better to use Plater for those things tbh

[limber lion]

We're plater boys here.

Alright link your logs

[ruby birch]

@limber lion on SLG does it matter whether vendetta goes on the bosses or Goliaths in p1 and p2?

[limber lion]

No, it depends on your team comp and where you need the damage. We don't need Goliath damage on our group, so I just use them on the boss. If you need damage on the Goliath and/or boss phases too fast, then feel free to use them on the Goliath.

[ruby birch]

Alright I see ty

Do you have any vod of your perspective of the fight?

I'm still out here trying to learn the ass life 😔

[limber lion]

Ah no sorry. I was streaming it yesterday, but I played like an absolute potato the whole night

I don't have any vods saved.

[ruby birch]

Lol all good ty though

[scenic root]

Shiv is only considered when using the well placed steel conduit, correct? I I simmer myself and the necro conduit with gemstone is higher. Just didn't know if that affects my rotation with shiv.

[limber lion]

Your gameplay doesn't change whatsoever when changing conduits.

You still use Shiv on cooldown, even if you use the Sudden Fractures conduit as necrolord.

Shiv is one of the most important tools in our kit, you still have to actively use it and play around it, even if you don't have any conduits buffing it further.

[scenic root]

Thanks, I have been but wasn't sure.

[limber lion]

[misty zenith]

Hi Guys, as it says in the pins. In raids ST we finish it all on 4 CPs right with Vigor

That means Rupture too?

[limber lion]

Yes.

You use all finishers at 4-5 combo points with Vigor and 5-6 combo points with Deeper Stratagem.

This includes:
Envenom
Rupture
Crimson Tempest

[misty zenith]

It will be my first raid tonight as a assa rogue 😄

coming from feral

Chill heroic tho so

[limber lion]

The only finisher you don't actually use at max-1 combo points anymore, is Slice n Dice.

[misty zenith]

easy warm up

[limber lion]

That's the only exception.

[limber lion]

Good luck on your raid!

[misty zenith]

thanks man, gonna look at some logs for bosses like huntsman

Since as feral i just multidot there

and keep everything rolling

[limber lion]

It's pretty much the same thing for Assassination :p

Just saw myself on MarcelianOnline's guide

[indigo mulch]

I'm trying to convince my other rogue buddy to go craft zoldycks for sire

:'c

Without abusing my officer privilages D:

[misty zenith]

Oh yea 1 thing

I dont have doomblade yet 😄

It will be running Zoldyck on HC

[compact pumice]

Does he prefer Doomblade? Because it's not really a bad choice

[misty zenith]

Shouldn't matter that much for a CN HC

[indigo mulch]

Nah its not a bad choice, we just have so many cleavers in the raid. We don't need a rogue to go full cleave build aswell D:

[limber lion]

That's fine.

[plain thistle]

doomblade isnt cleave

o.o

[limber lion]

Doomblade is 0% cleave.

Zoldyck is more cleave if comparing the two

Doomblade loses value the more targets you introduce

Zoldyck gains value

[indigo mulch]

What i mean is, that we lack p3 damage but p1 and p2 we have way to much damage.

:X

[compact pumice]

Doomblade does about the same damage in p3 as Zoldyck

the damage profile is a bit different

[limber lion]

Not really honestly.

[compact pumice]

Doomblade is very front heavy, Zoldyck bottom heavy

[limber lion]

Zoldyck wins pretty easily, especially if you talent into BS/DS/CT

[indigo mulch]

^

[compact pumice]

Not from logs I've seen

Doomblade really gets ahead from the vendetta+BL

at the start at 40%

But there might be more data now

[limber lion]

More data?

[compact pumice]

More logs

[limber lion]

It's been the same for like 3 months now

[compact pumice]

There werent many at the start of 9.0.5 when I checekd

[limber lion]

You just sim yourself

Don't look at logs

[indigo mulch]

There are way more people running doomblade, but thats prob due to people having more of that

[limber lion]

Most of the padders are using DB whilst the prog people are using Zoldyck

People who are doing it on prog are obviously not doing the best on p3 either

[next junco]

hey so is there a marco please for puting ambush for when you take blindside talent and if you take crimson tempest it shows that instead please?

[limber lion]

When comparing them to people who've killed it 10 times

[compact pumice]

You can't sim for 75% in Execute and 25% without but BL and Vendetta at the start

Only way you can actually compare p3 is from logs

[limber lion]

Yes you can

?

You just use advanced sims

[compact pumice]

Okay well it's a bit harder at least 😛

So I resorted to logs checking P3 only

[limber lion]

You also lust after the second blood price on prog

Not right away at 40%

[compact pumice]

You don't have a P3 like Advanced Sim on hand by any chance? Legit curious about the numbers

[odd python]

assa aoe, what are the talents

[burnt star]

Zoldyc was 200k damage more for me then db on p3

[compact pumice]

On sims or actual?

[burnt star]

With ct

[gloomy fern]

200k dps

[burnt star]

Actual

[compact pumice]

200kDPS is insane though

[burnt star]

Gahahah

Edited

Like with db. It was aroubd 1 million damage

[compact pumice]

You should use DPS instead of actual damage, because that's in relation to everything

[burnt star]

And with zold. Did 1.2 million

Well.. not really. What matther is the damage u do in p3. Dps is just another way to look at it. But whats important is the actual end number

[compact pumice]

Just tried a 4 min sim where the mobs HP starts at 40% and Doomblade is actually doing 100 DPS less than Zold (in my gear), so from 6.9k to 6.8k.

[burnt star]

Our p3 was exacly 3 min

First kill

[compact pumice]

Ok checking 3 mins quick

89 DPS difference between DB and Zold, though this is with PB. Can check CT too

Oh wait it was with CT 😛

[burnt star]

This was with db

Our 3rd enrage with death

This was with zold

On our kill

[compact pumice]

That's a 100k difference btw

[plain thistle]

yeah, comparing just 2 kills isnt good enough data

I do more than 6.1k dps with doomblade

on p3

[compact pumice]

yeah that's not a good comparison I agree

[plain thistle]

I wouldnt expect the damage to be super different, because doomblade is a good p3 legendary, zoldick should be a little bit better

but not 200k more

[marble bear]

Is wow up yet

I need to open my box of sadness

[burnt star]

Ya the thing is this was prog damage and not optimised kill damage. With more attempt/practice the difference could be thinner

[odd python]

rekills tend to be faster -> more dps on doomblade

zoldyck is better choice, especially when struggling with p3 dmg (what most of progress pepole do)

[misty zenith]

That Marcellian guide is going double potency, i guess that is not the yea with Nadya?

[gusty mirage]

I'm not sure what your question means tbh

but fuu put together soulbind trees for all covenants in the pins

idk if that'll answer your question

[quartz kelp]

p3 isnt actually a lot shorter

p1 and p2 is where you shave off some time

[compact pumice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tTq4iUbU9nREfomji6y5s5

Made this advanced sim with fight length 3min and starts at 40% boss HP (used Theotar for reasons unfortunately)

Zoldyck wins very marginally, wins a bit more with CT.

[languid ocean]

So I did the quest to go back venth like 2 days ago, this morning i dont have the quest to finish it available, anyone know wtf is goin on?

[limber lion]

Lusting on pull?

[compact pumice]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Like I said, you don't do that on prog

Of course the difference is smaller thrn

Doomie gets lust, Zold doesnt

[compact pumice]

Figured it would be kinda the same, unless it goes down to 30% Before lust

[limber lion]

No, you use Dauntless Duelist with Nadja

[limber lion]

Definitely not

[simple wadi]

@limber lion how much you value a 226 IQD on sire prog? Just got it in vault and while it sims better, wanted your opinion on how it performs in real life

in comparison to 220 sire trinket

[limber lion]

It performs amazingly on Venthyr, not so much on Necro

[simple wadi]

im necro

[limber lion]

Should win a 220 DFV even then

Pretty easily

It's a great trinket

[simple wadi]

you using p1 on pull, first add/baron and then p3?

with lust i imagine

or just send it on CD outside P1

[compact pumice]

I found a way to delay Bloodlust until 36% (which I got from checking when most high parse guilds popped BL). But the numbers I got out suggest that the bot still uses vendetta etc right at the start (it's like a 500dps decrease across the board). Is there some nice variable to have the bot hold at least vendetta until Bloodlust?

Anyway, these are the numbers now with a slightly delayed bloodlust, to 36%
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2UZzezQSHw7RUXzFjbiTWy
It's a bit bigger win for Zoldyck

[pine flax]

Is Venthyr way better for assa than necrolord in raid? Or both pretty close?

[stoic needle]

They're both very close

[kind talon]

zold stats?

[supple compass]

What makes iqd good for venth

[compact pumice]

Only on sludge it should be pretty good to be venthyr

[supple compass]

Just that it lines up with every other flag?

[stoic needle]

Venthyr likes crit

[spice spire]

Yeah and flag does an absolute dump truck of damage

[stoic needle]

Iqd gives lots of crit

[compact pumice]

The best allround pick is probably Necro now though...

Really considering to swap

[kind talon]

holy fuck osh just tell me bro

im having an aneurysm going thru the pins

pls save me

[compact pumice]

it doesn't matter

crit haste is good though

[kind talon]

crit haste?

ok ty

[kind talon]

mastery versE?

😎

[manic pebble]

should I get legs or feet pieces for zoldycks?

[compact pumice]

I mean it wont make that much difference so go for iit

[kind talon]

HUGE

[compact pumice]

Crit Mastery is like the AOE only mega build though, but I wouldn't consider it unless you for some reason love mastery despite all common sense

[spice spire]

@stoic needle

[stoic needle]

Crit mastery is for mythic plus enjoyers

[kind talon]

oh ye theres 2 other sin rogues in my new raid

progging sire

i told them CT is good

they said "my job is prio damage sorry"

gg

[stoic needle]

Yikes

Do they know what happens when you have to move the boss

Just run ct and embarrass them on the meters they'll see

[kind talon]

nah i think they have the idea that ct is like

only for 8 target aoe

ye thats the plan brozzer

[stoic needle]

[kind talon]

[manic pebble]

Zoldyck affects CT's bleed too right?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[manic pebble]

aight

[manic pebble]

did I sim it wrong? zold only did 34 more dps than doomblade in dungeonslice https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wrCg3hAb18sXG9JWs7JxNo

[stoic needle]

No you didn't. Dungeon slice is around 50% single target which is why doomblade sims well in dungeon slice. But it's bad in most dungeons

Because you don't mutilate very much nor evenom much

[manic pebble]

ah

I get it now

[stoic needle]

But you don't run blindside in dungeons

[manic pebble]

oops

I've been using that like forever

[spice spire]

Doomblade is niche usable, but is suboptimal in almost every situation for M+ - like osh said. Even on dungeons where you think it MIGHT look good like a dos tyrannical, it’s worse than Zoldyck’s

[feral merlin]

Because zoldy is still good on bosses and doom has no use on trash

[tough eagle]

whats the prospect of raiding covenant come 9.1? got a lot of time to dump on rogue alt before patch hits

[spice spire]

Nothing set in stone yet, changes could happen any day.
As of now - nothing has changed iirc

[plain thistle]

if you have time get necro and venthyr to 40, stay in one with the quest ready for the other

that way you can easily swap when we have more information

[tough eagle]

is necro a possibility because venthyr soulbinds suck fat diqk atm or another reason?

cause thats the case on other classes, just wondering

xd

[shy dust]

Well that’s wrong

Venthyr is currently the best st covenant

While necro is the best cleave covenant and aoe

[spice spire]

Necro is good because it has unreal cleave. Venthyr soulbinds are fine - nadjia is pretty nutty

[stoic needle]

Venthyr soulbinds do suck tho

[plain thistle]

hmmm no, Dauntless Duelist and Thrill Seeker are both really good

[spice spire]

Unreal is relative to the rest btw. It’s not a 2k diff lol

Yeah - nadjia is pretty Deece. Definitely sucks for shriekwing but that’s the only one I’ve been about

[plain thistle]

only covenant for us with good soulbinds is NF, the other ones are pretty close to each other

if comparing just soulbinds

[stoic needle]

I wouldn't really call thrill seeker good compared to lbe or gemstones

Duelist is good

[plain thistle]

yes, duelist is compared with gemstone and trill with Forgeborne Reveries, pretty close

[simple wadi]

venthyr soulbinds are all so conditional on timing and staying in one place

[kind talon]

necro is just better tho

for soulbinds

[simple wadi]

yea its not close

[plain thistle]

yeah, venthyr is more single target for sure

[kind talon]

its agi instead of haste

[plain thistle]

gemstone and forgeborne works in AoE

[kind talon]

and gemstone is insane

[stoic needle]

it's much harder to not get value from necrolord soulbinds compared to the venthyr ones

[kind talon]

like, dauntless duelist is OK

[plain thistle]

still, he said venthyr soulbinds suck, but they dont

[kind talon]

its more survivability than gemstones

yeah

[plain thistle]

just draven

[kind talon]

they're ok

draven does nothing

[simple wadi]

fleshcraft is lowkey broken tho

[kind talon]

fleshcraft is proggers bro

[dull cloak]

why is gemstone insane

[spice spire]

Damagé

[stoic needle]

They're inconsistent which is a major strike against them

[subtle tundra]

Big, pre-determined crit

[simple wadi]

as a fleshcraft non believer at start, it is easily the best of the covenant non dmg abilities

[stoic needle]

18% of our best stat that always lines up with our cooldowns

[simple wadi]

and with sin - you don't lose much stopping dmg to channel

its almost to the point that I'm not sure the dmg reduction from Duelist surpasses the on demand shield from flesh

[stoic needle]

It doesn't

[simple wadi]

i think overall its probably more dmg reduction (duelist) but getting to choose when you get DR is way more relevant

[kind talon]

afaik gemstone is the only major soulbind that actually changes ur rotation

[stoic needle]

I'm not sure if it's even more overall dmg reduction

[kind talon]

and requires you to make a weakaura for it

cause its so impactful

errr, conduit?

[simple wadi]

might be right @stoic needle

[tough eagle]

does it?

vendetta is 2min, gemstone is around 90sec depending on crit

[kind talon]

it doesnt

but it doesnt rly matter

[stoic needle]

Gemstone is 1:10 max

[plain thistle]

you take 30s to crit 10 times ? O.o

[stoic needle]

No way it takes you 30 seconds to crit 10 times

[simple wadi]

dots take it to max in like 3 seconds

[kind talon]

ye its not 90 sec

[stoic needle]

Vendetta is 2 min, usually gemstone procs in the middle

During a shiv

[kind talon]

yepers

[tough eagle]

Doesnt it start its cd when effect ends tho?

[plain thistle]

yeah, it procs really really fast

[simple wadi]

i think the proc CD starts when it enters the window

[tough eagle]

Like i main dk where its easily 90sec

[stoic needle]

Yeah the icd starts after the buff activates not after it finishes

[simple wadi]

since its about the effect

[livid turtle]

Theres nothing that buffs our envenom crit chance other than ma right? I notice the top 100 logs all have like 40%+ crit on envenom, meanwhile i'm consistently in the 20%'s

[tough eagle]

Okay then, but it still doesn't REALLY line up w vendetta

[stoic needle]

I mean it kinda does

[simple wadi]

you usually clip the last 10-12 seconds of your second vendetta in uninterrupted fight

[kind talon]

i mean

ive had cases where it doesnt "line up" with vendetta

but even then

18% crit is 18% crit lol

[tough eagle]

Oh wait vendetta is long af true

Im baboon

[kind talon]

like

the third and fourth and onwards

in terms of vendetta

is when you start seeing mgs not line up

[simple wadi]

but honestly it doesn't even matter

[kind talon]

yeah thats what ive been saying lmfao

[simple wadi]

its a big burst window

my b!

[kind talon]

all g

like, flag is 1:30 right

vendetta is 2 mins

they dont "line up"

[wind dune]

Oh no I gotta get smart with my trinket tanks are gonna hate me. got a 226 shadowgrasp. It pulls packs that aren't in combat if nothings around right?

[sudden hound]

Only if you target them

[wind dune]

well you just made my day that much better lmao. that's a welcome 60+ dps increase then

[sudden hound]

Yeah I figured that out on huntsman prog when I would tab to a dog to blind it but my totem broke it immediately after and I wiped the raid

[compact pumice]

Well, look at the bright side, now they wont ask you to CC anymore

[gusty mirage]

It attacks whatever target you’re attacking

[wary ice]

man how scuffed a raid comp gotta be that you cant find 2 of any hunter or firemages in it to cc dogs so you gotta get your rogue to do it

[wind dune]

Thank's again for the help! I've been messing around with it in sinfall on dummies. Can confirm it works off who you're tab targetted to like azmologue said, don't even need to be attacking it. realllly don't wanna brick my attempts at 20's with this

[stoic needle]

It won't swap targets if you use a mouseover

[sacred glacier]

In reference to the Legendary comparison, what does Dungeon Slice mean?

[stoic needle]

dungeon slice is a sim type

1 second

[stoic needle]

https://medium.com/raidbots/mythic-simming-with-dungeon-slice-68a834880975

read "The details" section, it's very informative

[sacred glacier]

thank you

[dense narwhal]

Any Venthyr rogues thinking of levelling necrolord before 9.1?

[shy dust]

Yes

And it was done

[plain thistle]

already did 🙂

current necrolord, but I did the quest to go back to venthyr

not a big deal, since I got to 31 renown in one day

you can probably do the same in 9.1, or even faster

[mint anvil]

Venth still looking ahead in ST no?

[dense narwhal]

Currently yeah,

but i mainly M+ on my rogue these days.

and my ele shammy is necro, so I want to keep it in the family.

[compact pumice]

Much of the raid doesn't look like ST though

[thin trout]

I see alot of people taking elaborate planning instead of blindside on mythic denathrius, what's the reason behind that? I thought blindside is alot better for execute

[stoic needle]

parsing

more overall damage, less damage during execute

[thin trout]

explains alot, blindside it is

[safe barn]

When i get BS proc at 4 cps do i use it to get to 5 or keep it?

[thin trout]

hopeing it's keep it, else i've been doing it wrong =p

[dense narwhal]

What's the best way to optimize serrated bone spike?

Spam on 1 guy for single target? or stagger them

and for 3 targets to distribute 1 each after your empowered garrotes?

[noble sonnet]

so I'm starting out assassin, is the ability, poisoned knife, used in the rotation?

[full tendon]

Not at all

[spice spire]

Nooo

[full tendon]

Use it for ranged CP gen on retreats or something at best

[noble sonnet]

ok makes sense

[safe barn]

You can use it to break explosives in m+ too

Its useful

[dense narwhal]

what about serrated bone spike? how is it worked into the rotation properly?

[safe barn]

Take a look in #outlaw pins

Theres a good explanation there

[full tendon]

Annoying that it's 40 energy though

[dense narwhal]

good idea

[full tendon]

But it is useful on orbs

[noble sonnet]

does anyone know what spell that is next to vendetta?

[safe barn]

Its the talent

[spice spire]

Alacrity

[safe barn]

Alacrity

[spice spire]

It shows you how many stacks you have currently

[noble sonnet]

ahhh

[thin trout]

on SLG - if i get hit by erverbarting eruption, can i vanish it?

to remove it

[shy dust]

No

[regal pelican]

So when I first hit a pack in a dungeon, should i come out of stealth apply garrote to everyone then hit them with a Crimson Tempest THEN proceed to rupture them all?

[stoic needle]

garotte x 3 > fok > CT > fok/sbs > rupture until everything is ruptured

garotte on cd

shiv + vendetta anything important but continue bleeding after that

dont just focus it with envenoms unless almost everything is bled

[regal pelican]

cool thanks!

[thin trout]

do I use crimson tempest on 2 targets (SLG when they are both up)

[kind talon]

boutta do my first key @stoic needle

on assa

just made my zolds

how do my talents look

[limber lion]

Yes.

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

stop trole

[kind talon]

ok but i assume this is good ceve?

[dense narwhal]

man

[limber lion]

Yes.

[dense narwhal]

serrated bone spike is slapping in open world content.

I don't even use muti lol

[limber lion]

Sure is. Pair it up with MA and it's very good

[kind talon]

sbs is slapping

in general

[coral hazel]

Does anything mechanically get messed up by using a non-dagger offhand?

I have the options of a 194 dagger offhand or 220 mace, so i wasn't sure if i should use the mace

[hollow dirge]

You can’t mutilate, so you have to go double dagger .

[coral hazel]

ah

that would do it

thanks

[kind talon]

@stoic needle bro i can finally say garrote 1 garrote 2 garrote 3 now

[limber lion]

Good for you

:)

[kind talon]

so i prio trip garrote into ct

then ruptures after?

[limber lion]

Yes, slamming Shiv and keeping SnD up with occasional Envenoms

[kind talon]

aight thanks

first finisher i cast should be snd?

[limber lion]

Yes

The first finisher in the dungeon

[kind talon]

aye

yup

[limber lion]

Then you keep it up for the rest of the dungeon

[storm pier]

Hey Guys i'm coming back to assassination and there is one thing i don't understand...
why should i use "Vanish > multilate > envenon > multilate" instead of "build 4/5 CB then vanish > envenon > multilate > envenom"??? (with master assassin talented)

[limber lion]

With Envenom and extra cp from previous packs

[thin trout]

ty

[dense narwhal]

I just put SBS in muti slot on my hotbar lol

[limber lion]

It doesn't matter. Especially with Deeper Stratagem, it literally makes no difference.

[storm pier]

i'm using vigorr.

[limber lion]

Even with Vigor the difference is very minimal

Critting with Mutilate is huge

1. More combo points
2. More damage with Doomblade's bleed
3. Chance to proc poisons (and crit with them)

[storm pier]

ok, thanks!

[grand belfry]

hey is there a way to macro for Crimson Tempest, and if not talented it will display ambush?

[ruby birch]

you want one button to display CT or ambush depending if you're talented into it or not?

[grand belfry]

correct

I assume theres some conditional aspect you can put in there, but Im not finding anything using google

[ruby birch]

Ok try the following:

#showtooltip
/use [talent:7/1]Ambush; [talent:7/2]Ambush; [talent:7/3]Crimson Tempest

[dawn ivy]

be forewarned if you use that macro, you cant use CT inside of an MA window

it will just ambush

[stoic needle]

you don't want to use a macro like that because you play CT and blindside together on some fights

(sire)

[ruby birch]

wym

that macro has nothing to do with MA, but it will fuck blindside usage if you happen to have CT as well

[dawn ivy]

when i tried using that macro it defaults to using ambush on the first global

[ruby birch]

it literally doesnt use ambush if you have CT

i can log on and test it out rq

[grand belfry]

Thank you

[ruby birch]

oh damn wait

@grand belfry put semicolons not colons

i just fixed it

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[ruby birch]

it should be: @grand belfry
#showtooltip
/use [talent:7/1]Ambush; [talent:7/2]Ambush; [talent:7/3]Crimson Tempest

[gusty mirage]

[grand belfry]

hahah thanks. appreciate it. Ill adjust for those specifics. Just a short term solution while I try to figure out a new Keybind

[ruby birch]

all these people flexing their whispyr emotes

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

All the whispyr s*mps out in full force

[ruby birch]

[gusty mirage]

[dense narwhal]

Does SBS feel like it hits harder than muti, or does it? lol

[limber lion]

It does.

It's almost triple damage.

[dense narwhal]

Is it pretty much worth using sbs on CD and muti when your charges are down?

[limber lion]

No, you use SBS during Gemstone windows

If you don't have Heirmir yet, then just use SBS during Shiv windows

[dense narwhal]

for single target?

[worldly yarrow]

Anyone here uses Shadowstep at all on M Sludge? I'm scerd to break da chain...

[limber lion]

No, don't use it.

[limber lion]

For single and AoE.

Of course in AoE you want to apply it to everything around you as the first thing.

[dense narwhal]

after your empowered garrotes?

[limber lion]

But when all the targets around you have SBS on them, then you just use them during Gemstone windows.

[dense narwhal]

or do you MA with sbs?

[limber lion]

Yeh, gar - gar - gar - gar - ct - sbs - sbs - rup - sbs

[worldly yarrow]

Ok. Guess I needed to hear that. Pretty button, faster on boss, moar dps! But Sludge says NO!

[limber lion]

No, Subterfuge in M+

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[worldly yarrow]

You got it. jokes aside, thanks.

[limber lion]

[dense narwhal]

cute bear

[winter vapor]

if you bind/macro tricks, where/what skill would you tie it too?

[limber lion]

Thanks, it's a selfie

[limber lion]

I don't macro it and honestly there shouldn't be any need to macro it either.

[winter vapor]

I was thinking to macro it to garrote

[limber lion]

Do you want to macro it for m+?

[winter vapor]

yeah, no real use in raids, not that im doing that anyway atm

[limber lion]

I mean yeah, you can do that if you want.

No harm doing it probably

[stoic needle]

I recommend binding ct to shift+ the button you use for rupture

[stoic needle]

You should give it its own button

[grand belfry]

it is

basically I plan on h aving 2 buttons for Ambush cause of the blindside aspect.

[sharp panther]

i have a macro/weakaura that just automatically casts it on tank in the party, like not having to mouseover the tank every time

[stoic needle]

Why two buttons for ambush?

[dense narwhal]

I use an ambush/CT macro.

[winter vapor]

thanks for input all 🙂

[stoic needle]

Again, those aren't good because you run bs/ct together sometimes

[spice spire]

Keybind discussion again

[winter vapor]

I have CT as a shift mod to FoK

[stoic needle]

That's also decent

[winter vapor]

sits quite well for me, but then I use MMO mouse for it so

[limber lion]

Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to keybind.

There isn't really any right or wrong way to do things.

[junior pulsar]

Anyone using doomblade on fortifyed weeks aswell? Really like the ST throughput on bosses

[limber lion]

No, not even on Tyrannical.

ToP (and maybe PF) are the only dungeons where you'd run it.

[stoic needle]

no doomblade in m+ except top/plaguefall

[limber lion]

And PF only if you have a capable tank actually using the Borer's

If not, then Zoldyck there as well

[stoic needle]

also running doomblade on fortified is all kinds of backwards

[spice spire]

I use it on ToP only for tyrannical. Mists is debatable, but the packs before final boss is pretty useful for Zoldyck’s

[junior pulsar]

So zoldyck for fortified

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

[junior pulsar]

Okay have crafted it aswell

[stoic needle]

running a single target legendary on a week where all of the trash mobs are tougher, meaning you spend more time in aoe is

[spice spire]

Doomblade if you EVER want it, is a tyrannical only for a couple of dungeons

[feral merlin]

Zold still does ST remember that

[limber lion]

Zoldyck for fortified AND tyrannical

[junior pulsar]

My sims was just pretty equal in dungeon slice. Did 5.685k with doomblade and 5.651k with zoldyck. Im 204 ivl

[limber lion]

The DSlice is a good reference point, but in real life Zoldyck pulls ahead quite a bit.

[echo geyser]

is dslice good for assa?

[vestal wren]

yes

[stoic needle]

it is good, but a key is not dungeon slice

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's a good reference point for general use, but you still have to use your own brain and common sense on top of it.

Every dungeon is different

[spice spire]

It is, but it is a little heavier on ST than you’ll often be in M+. So Doomblade shows a bit more than in actuality

[echo geyser]

yeah so its similar to outlaw ?

good for gearing/talents etc

[limber lion]

It's good to sim stuff like 6T 40s without raid buffs to get an idea on how talents/legendaries compare on AoE

On top of Dslice

[stoic needle]

outlaw is different in that its legendaries don't noticeably impact its st/aoe output because they're basically the same with just blade flurry active

[echo geyser]

but in terms of talents u kinda are set in stone right?

for m+

[stoic needle]

but sin has quite a difference in output between the different legendaries

[echo geyser]

like would u ever swap of CT

[spice spire]

Not necessarily. Like 95%. Also yeah always CT lol

[limber lion]

@compact pumice Here's something I did.

[spice spire]

Is this ST or Dungeon Slice?

Either way, what a god

[limber lion]

This is a P3 Sire evaluation

Take it with a grain of salt.

[compact pumice]

Did you get it to move vendetta into BL?

[spice spire]

Sims are just that, but a good reference point thank u papi Cev

[stoic needle]

can you do heavy movment execute patchwerk? lol

[limber lion]

Starts at 40%, lust is used at 1:45 to the phase (after second Blood Price), it holds Flagellation and Vendetta for it.

[junior pulsar]

I honestly like to play with poison bomb, Cus i like to garrote 3-4 targets with subterfuge then quickly throw ruptures then get shit tonne of energy. Feel it gets clunkier with CT cus u lack energy after using u points on CT

[echo geyser]

if u play necro would u still not play doomblade in m+ over zoldycks?

[stoic needle]

definitely not

[compact pumice]

1 min 45 seconds? That seems very late compared to most logs I've seen

[stoic needle]

doomblade gives almost no value on half of the dungeon because you don't envenom much in aoe and you dont mutilate until 3 or less targets

[kind talon]

oshosi i finished my first assa dungeon bro

[limber lion]

It's not. You've been analyzing logs wrong then.

[timid coral]

any idea why necro > venth here? when on "normal" pw its the other way?

[limber lion]

The logs show 2 BL uses

[kind talon]

bread and butter bro

[limber lion]

One is for upstairs (ranged) which is very early

[kind talon]

CT feels so good

[limber lion]

The second is for downstairs (melee) which is after 2nd blood price

The melee lust happens at around 20% boss hp

[kind talon]

zoldyck gang

[limber lion]

Because of Zoldyck execute.

[limber lion]

Here's a timeline of our kill

[timid coral]

oh, it effects the sbs bleed too?

[stoic needle]

you are pretty much capped on energy with 3 garottes and 2 ruptures up. you're just losing damage by not using CT, it does unbelievable amounts of damage and it's very easy for a tank to move mobs out of your poison bomb making you get almost no value from it. you should keep practicing with CT

[limber lion]

The second blue bar is melee lust.

[spice spire]

Zoldyck’s affects SBS bleeds as well

[balmy condor]

single target looks like

wait

[limber lion]

Yes.

[balmy condor]

where am i

[limber lion]

Hello

[dawn ivy]

oh no he broke

[spice spire]

Hello?

[balmy condor]

my chat jumped

[kind talon]

hi whispyr

[spice spire]

Whispyr.exe has stopped working

[limber lion]

That happens sometimes

[kind talon]

welcome to assa

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

hell yeah bro

lmao wait i played with that mage last night

[kind talon]

pls dont flame him bro

hes rly good bro 🙂

[limber lion]

Can't be good if he's below you

[spice spire]

Toxic

[stoic needle]

he's definitely a decent player

[kind talon]

i mean

i saw him combusting flamestrike when the captains were alive

on those packs

[spice spire]

wasn’t he with you and the boomer that you were 100 behind?

[stoic needle]

nah it was a different key

lol in my 19 spires that mage was playing fire with frost conduits

we still timed it tho

[spice spire]

Absolute king

[limber lion]

That's a huge hit for FM

[spice spire]

It’s really a chad move.

[limber lion]

IC is like 15% or some shit

It's dumb

[spice spire]

He doesn’t even need the right conduits

[craggy oak]

Guys, just picked up sin for first time since BFA, is there any merit to running MP with zolds for keys or is EB just way in front, any value to MP anywhere?

[stoic needle]

i don't know how to fire mage, what are you supposed to do there

[kind talon]

Bro I stg spires is so good for assa

[limber lion]

No, never use MP.

[stoic needle]

mp bad

[limber lion]

MP is one of our worst talents.

[kind talon]

St combust

[limber lion]

Always use EP on M+/AoE.

[kind talon]

It’s like a75% dr

[stoic needle]

spires is a killer sin dungeon for sure

[limber lion]

Yup.

[kind talon]

The captains have a 75% aoe dr aura

[spice spire]

Kill captain then aoe pump 🙂

[kind talon]

But

It doesn’t affect bleeds

[craggy oak]

Just seemed like maybe on a fort week MP would be some what nuts with zolds, guess my feely craft was way off, tyty

[limber lion]

Chunky targets, around 3-4 targets most of the time

[stoic needle]

i did the most trash damage in our 19 spires

[kind talon]

CT does full damage through it that’s why

[stoic needle]

MP is just undertuned

[kind talon]

CT garrote and ruptures

[limber lion]

Yeah, MP is just really bad. 10% damage from EP brings just so much more.

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

Assa has amazing spires damage bro

[limber lion]

Yeah bro

[craggy oak]

How far behind, how much of a buff would it need?

[limber lion]

Quite a bit.

Most of our damage comes from bleeds, melee and Envenom (and CT)

[kind talon]

Ceve on the bro train bro

[limber lion]

Would need to buff poisons to make MP good.

[stoic needle]

trash damage

boss damage

[kind talon]

sadge

[spice spire]

Yikes

[kind talon]

the fire mage

[stoic needle]

convoke is so fucking broken

[limber lion]

Looking at m+ logs is pretty

You look at details after the dungeon and notice you did 8.3k dps

You look at a log and it's like 7.4k

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m yikes to the fire mage lol.

[kind talon]

im going back to outlaw sry guys

[spice spire]

GLHF

[kind talon]

Sadge

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

he had frost conduits and wrong soulbind

[limber lion]

Well he could have swapped his soulbind with a tome

[spice spire]

Oh duh, we went over this

[limber lion]

So that's just an excuse.

Unless he actually just didn't notice

Until like

[stoic needle]

he didn't realize until after the key

[limber lion]

50% of the dunge0n

[kind talon]

gg

[limber lion]

Yeah but you can walk out, tome, swap, and walk back in

[stoic needle]

i've done that before lol

[limber lion]

Same

Running in with Doomblade

[spice spire]

I can’t tell you how many dungeons I’ve ran and been like “fuck, I’ve dauntless duelist AND DOOMBLADE”

[stoic needle]

LOL

[spice spire]

Too real :/

[stoic needle]

god

[kind talon]

Sadge

[junior pulsar]

Thanks Oshosi. Will try zoldyck and CT build next week then

[rustic whale]

guys do you ever experienced combo point delays? i mean i have 40ms and very good pc (no fps problems) still sometimes combo points generating like 0.3 sec

[kind talon]

ya idk it feels sadge to be mut on a 3pack

[limber lion]

Yeah okay, glad he helped you out

[stoic needle]

only with SBS

[rustic whale]

i m usually having issues on mutilate

[limber lion]

There shouldn't be any issues with that whatsoever, it's your internet then.

[rustic whale]

animation goes and sound effects

[limber lion]

Latency is your friend then.

[rustic whale]

but its 40ms

[limber lion]

SBS is the only one where you get combo points after it hits the target.

[stoic needle]

yeah i've never experienced that with mut

[rustic whale]

may be i should clean and re install a

interface

[stoic needle]

with most abilities cp are generated and consumed on press

[grim sable]

for m sire, are you guys getting 2 vendetta uses in p3?

[shy dust]

yes

[limber lion]

Yes sir, one in the beginning, second one with lust later on.

P3 lasts for 3mins+

[grim sable]

ok

[plain thistle]

I would love lust with my vendetta 😦

[grim sable]

do you have to hold any vendetta uses to line the timing up right?

[plain thistle]

we have 2 DKs, they call for lust

[limber lion]

When do you lust?

[plain thistle]

let me check

[grim sable]

i think we are looking to lust after 2nd bp

[limber lion]

No, usually you use 1 (or 2) Vendetta's in P1, one in P2 (on the named add) and 2 in P3.

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's the norm

[plain thistle]

8:13~

thats like 2 min after p3 starts

[limber lion]

Doesn't sound like 2 mins honestly

If kills are 9:30-10 mins

[plain thistle]

p3 starts at 6:23

the second lust is ours, first one is ranged

[limber lion]

How long is the fight?

[plain thistle]

9:39

[limber lion]

Yeah alright

Ya'll are blasters

[plain thistle]

yeah, that was almost a clean kill

[limber lion]

But wouldn't that be a good timer for you then?

If you use Vendetta in the beginning of P3

And 2 mins after with Lust.

Vend 6:30 and 8:30

Lust 8:15

Still got 25s of lust left

[kind talon]

sounds good to me

[plain thistle]

depends, I usually dont vendetta right at the start of P3, but a little late

[limber lion]

Why not?

[wise fiber]

Hi there. whats the reason most of top high keys mythic assasins use vigor instead of MfD? mfd is quite a dps upgrade.

[plain thistle]

but in that specific try yes, it was almost perfect

not sure, usually it comes off CD right after first soak

[limber lion]

Ah right fair enough

[limber lion]

Vigor is easier to play with and much more smoother. It gets very hectic when playing MFD and Necrolord.

[timber basalt]

if I'm using subterfuge in a pure st environment with doomblade/zoldyck, what are the optimal gcds in a vanish?

[limber lion]

Having 2 abilities that benefit from resets is a bit overwhelming.

[limber lion]

1 Garrote, nothing else matters.

[stoic needle]

Mfd is good but overall not worth the extra effort as it's not as impactful for sin compared to outlaw

[timber basalt]

yeah, I was wondering if there's any other tricks I'm missing

[wise fiber]

Ok. yeah that makes alot of sense. thank you.

[limber lion]

Subterfuge gives you a 3s stealth window but no buffs to damage or extra crit or anything

So you just slap the garrote and that's it.

In PvP you can cheap shot as well, so that's pretty cool I guess.

Sire P3 sim with PI

[gusty mirage]

But I thought “it’s close”

[spice spire]

Stonks

[subtle tundra]

but it is close, 110 dps

[shut leaf]

so necro/zoldyck I guess I will fix

How much dps difference is there on DB vs Zoldyck on necro

[limber lion]

In general or on Sire?

[shut leaf]

on sire

[limber lion]

265 dps

[echo geyser]

pb also assumes u hit 100% in sims, right? which could be hard on sire?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[shut leaf]

cuz we just got to Sire and I am wondering if I should go Outlaw or Sin cuz we are big on AoE but need some ST dps

[clear zinc]

sin with zoldyck for prog

[limber lion]

Here's the full sim without PI.

[clear zinc]

you'll learn soon p3 only thing that matters

[limber lion]

Again, do take it with a grain of salt.

This doesn't take into account movement, mechanics, your healers dying, your paladin forgetting to bop you during overlap etc.

[clear zinc]

what rogue getting bopped during overlap lmao

[shut leaf]

Ye then I might need to craft a zoldyck

[limber lion]

But yeah, playing DB on Necro is pretty int on P3.

[lean coral]

is it?

[limber lion]

Sorry let me clarify

Playing the usual P2 padding build is intting on P3.

400+ dps by using a different legendary/talents is pretty giga.

[lean coral]

ive been using the ST talents but with doomblade

i also just went necro last week after raid

so i havent tried dennis as it yet

[last flume]

Guys, does internal bleeding/iron wire ever matter in raids/m+? In terms of damage

[limber lion]

No, never.

[subtle tundra]

didnt it work on like queen azshara big add?

[fleet anchor]

There have been a couple times in the past where Internal Bleeding was kinda nice but it was long ago

[limber lion]

Sometimes Kidney is used sure

I mean technically you can also silence the occultists in SKS

But you know

[fleet anchor]

Usually in those cases probably Prey is better overall (but worse for parsing)

[subtle tundra]

well, yea, but it has worked

thats my point

[fleet anchor]

Yes but we haven't really had any significant usage of Kidney for Rogues in raids in a really long time

[limber lion]

Yeah, I was referring to this tier.

[fleet anchor]

Not enough to really matter anyhow

[vital haven]

kidneying the dogs on huntsman

huge internal bleed dam

[limber lion]

Please don't do that

[vital haven]

that being said

ye cev is right

[fleet anchor]

The problem is it's really only useful when you need to Kidney because it's still not really DPS positive vs using Envenom

[lean coral]

does zold affect the bonespike dmg?

[fleet anchor]

The DoT

[limber lion]

Yes it does.

[fleet anchor]

Not the Conduit

[limber lion]

^

[grand ridge]

Do all the other dps get a damage buff from that kidney or is it just you

[fleet anchor]

Dog damage gets reversed out for parses anyway

[limber lion]

It's a debuff, works for everyone

[fleet anchor]

So it's not particularly worth focusing on. Just pretend it does normal damage 😛

[limber lion]

Wtb a kill where we just attack the shades instantly and have one person chain cc'ing

[balmy condor]

Any doomblade players

[spice spire]

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

The rotation is pretty fun.

[stoic needle]

i am a 100% ethical doomblade gamer

[limber lion]

Rupture muti muti mutimtuitmuitmuitmutmitmumtitmitnutmtytmtmutmutotumoitmuittimu

[subtle maple]

yo envemon

[spice spire]

“Ethical Doomblade gamer” compared to an unethical Doomblade gamer?

[balmy condor]

Unethical doomblade gamer is cev

Mut spamming the dog for profit

[spice spire]

Ahh

[limber lion]

[last flume]

So my open will look something like:

Ambush > slice and dice > vendetta > garrote > mutilate > rupture > mutilate > shiv > envenom > vanish + ambush before vendetta drops

Does this sound about right? For single target raid bosses

[limber lion]

No Ambush

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[spice spire]

Ahhh yes, keep the Doomblade bleeds up, of course

[limber lion]

The general rotation is also pretty flawed.

[balmy condor]

Mut snd mut gar rup vend shiv

[limber lion]

Where is your covenant ability?

[last flume]

Right. I am necro for now

[limber lion]

You would start with SBS then

[last flume]

So I will be using it early on at start

[limber lion]

As your first gcd in fact.

[last flume]

Ya

Nice and easy rotation lol

[limber lion]

Love to see it

[last flume]

I don't quite understand why ravenholdt says 5.4 and 7.2 for the bleeds to refresh though

[limber lion]

That's the pandemic range for the bleeds.

[lean coral]

like open with sbs?

[limber lion]

You can reapply your bleeds early to apply 30% extra applied duration on top of the bleeds.

That's to smooth the reapplying rotation a bit.

So you don't have to wait for your bleeds to drop before applying

The Red Rogue made a good vide on it, let me find it for you

@last flume https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qldsRFvzVOU&t=1s

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[lean coral]

oh damn

its not even on my stealth bar

[limber lion]

Imagine using stealth bars

[last flume]

I thought pandemic was a rogue passive or something lol. Was looking in my spellbook for it

[lean coral]

i just always have

[limber lion]

Nah, it's just a general mechanic in the game. It works for all classes and most dots.

[lean coral]

used stealth bars that is

[limber lion]

Yeah, fair enough. Each to their own :p

[spice spire]

I removed stealth bars the second I became NF

[limber lion]

But yeah, Pandemic used to be a Warlock-only passive.

[spice spire]

Best decision I’ve made, even tho I’m now a venthyr boi

[limber lion]

I just have always had the same abilities in stealth and outside of stealth

I just saw no point in having a bar that swaps around because of that :p

[lean coral]

i dont

the only thing from non stealth is usually mut for me

[plain thistle]

hmm, what about envenom? dont you have it in your stealth bar?

[stoic needle]

the big NS/MA envenom

[plain thistle]

or rupture

[stoic needle]

true

[balmy condor]

yo is that the @gray fjord

[balmy condor]

wild

[kind talon]

lmao wtf

[limber lion]

The one and only

[last flume]

And what about like in m+? The same, but maintain bleeds on all targets? So there will be like very little envenom then

[balmy condor]

correct

in aoe we only envenom to extend SND, or if the mobs are dying in about 10 seconds

[limber lion]

yup.

[last flume]

Many thanks, fellow rogues!

[limber lion]

[neat pulsar]

what does pandemic on SnD means ? it doesn't work like a dot ... does it increase a bit the attack speed effect ?

[spice spire]

It extends the duration when you refresh

It doesn’t increase AS

[neat pulsar]

ok

[kind talon]

if u refresh a timed effect during pandemic

the duration remaining is added to the new duration

but snd pandemic only applies to outlaw and sub

[neat pulsar]

because of envenom ?

[kind talon]

yes

cttc

means that u dont need to refresh snd

[neat pulsar]

yep indeed, thxguys

[glacial bough]

Sin on fort weeks sucks dick lmao

Put I'm also probably a terrible player

[spice spire]

Fort’s pretty good actually. Between CT and subterfuge it feels pretty good

[stoic needle]

Fort = prolonged multi target cleave/aoe

Which is where sin does the most damage

[glacial bough]

I garrote 4 targets, CT, then just fan and apply ruptures and reapply CT and garrotes?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[steep reef]

Anyone have a good trick to get a dagger outta the vault sire never gives me one

[glacial bough]

Hmm ok

[full tendon]

Pray

[steep reef]

I will post results

opening box now...

[full tendon]

Farm dungeons

Use valor

[steep reef]

I got huntsman neck, boots, and dreadfire vessel and my m+ box had a helmet

ugh

no weapon

[full tendon]

😦

[steep reef]

what am I gonna do with this!!!

[neat bluff]

Been hunting the DFV forever now...

225ilvl and no dfv

[full tendon]

I have 6 chars, no Dreadfire 😦

[neat bluff]

mhm

[rain mortar]

sooo on the icy veins guide is shows using zold for every fight in CN - I thought doomblade was better for ST fights? Am I missing something?

[steep reef]

yea this is my fourth dfv I got one traded to me then got one with leech and hole then I looted another one and boxed this one

[full tendon]

At least you can farm daggers

Can't farm DFV

[pale fossil]

Zold is better for progression because the last bit of a boss is usually the hardest for groups to clear the first time, but it's less damage over the course of a whole fight, is my understanding.

It's a "more damage" versus "contextually valuable damage" thing.

[rain mortar]

I see I see - so if you have a boss on farm Doomblades will be more overall DPS

but zold for prog

to better help the squad

[pale fossil]

Yeah, that's my understanding.

[loud light]

that's pretty specific to which boss you're doing

there's lots where the execute damage is just not that impactful compared to killing the boss faster overall

having a specifically challenging execute phase is really the exception more than the rule, sire being the obvious example

[lucid inlet]

Herro. What is the best farmable daggers? Like what should I be spamming dungeon wise to get dropped?

[balmy condor]

mists are pretty good

[loud light]

Mists is probably the best one, but the difference between the 'best' dagger and worst isn't that large. Mists, PF, SD, NW all have daggers

[balmy condor]

mists also has a couple good pieces

PF is good as well yeah

PF has a good trinket and some other goodies

[toxic quail]

what do I run to sim myself in keys again, I forgot?

8 target 40 seconds?

[thin trout]

last phase for sins is awesome at SLG 😄

[lucid inlet]

Thanks

[pale fossil]

@toxic quail Dungeon Slice

[toxic quail]

I thought Dungeon Slice was bad cause it does, cleave, aoe, and ST

I could be wrong.

[pale fossil]

Uh, keys involve cleave, aoe, and ST, don't they?

[toxic quail]

No, they do for sure. But I swear I saw the mods in here saying it was bad.

[gray fjord]

Mebbeh

[pale fossil]

I don't think I've seen them say that, but I could be wrong. I just think they want to caution people away from looking at a Dungeon Slice sim and building their rotation based on it, but I think if you're just looking for a rough estimate of where your DPS should be at, they're fine.

[gray fjord]

[toxic quail]

Mainly just stats honestly. Because i know numbers are unrealistic

Cause im full sockets and 226 conduits with a lot of gear so just trying to make a true set for both Tyrann and Fort

[stoic needle]

You did not see that.

[toxic quail]

Well I apologize dude.

[stoic needle]

Your gear doesn't really change between tyrannical and fortified

You could swap a mastery ring for a haste ring if you really want to but it won't make any noticeable difference

Crit is always the bis stat, st damage still matters on fort and aoe damage still matters on tyrannical

[kind talon]

u always build for aoe

for m+

[stoic needle]

So just balance haste and mastery roughly equally

[toxic quail]

Okay, thank you very much.

[stoic needle]

Sorry I didn't mean to sound harsh we just get lots of people in here saying that dungeon slice or other sims aren't reliable so I try to quash that idea quickly whenever it comes up

[humble ginkgo]

help me

learn sin

same thing

!opener

cringe

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[toxic quail]

nah youre good man, i can understand your frustration. i read this shit throughout the day and see you. yall got a big plate every day.

I appreciate yall though

[balmy condor]

[pale fossil]

Mood

[wise fiber]

Dummie question. How you do the shrieking fight in mythic.? I seem to do pretty well At other bosses but I can’t go over 75 in shriek.

[cobalt gyro]

if you're trying to parse it

kill it faster

[balmy condor]

having a bunch of intermissions sucks for shriek parse

[dawn ivy]

no one has 1 phased mythic yet have they

i think the fastest ive seen was like 20 seconds after the intermission ended?

[stoic needle]

Pretty sure they have

[dawn ivy]

fastest log im seeing is 2:51

[faint harness]

we are trying ok

#soon

[dawn ivy]

lmao

you need 2 prot pallies and 18 hpal

[gusty mirage]

time to check my weekly box of disappointment lads 🙂

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

226 iqd time?

[faint harness]

more like 1 veng dh and 19 shadow priests

its super easy to do first phase shriekwing with 0 heals

and 1 tanking

so we just need to find 19 dps that can do an average of 7500 dps over 1:55 minutes

(shadow priests)

[stoic needle]

19 ferals

[dawn ivy]

just have 19 boomies get 5 full moons in their convoke, simple as

[stoic needle]

Ez clappers

[faint harness]

best attempt at 1 phasing

[dawn ivy]

enhancement shaman

ouch

[faint harness]

offpsecs

we dont have 19 dps

so we have to use healers playing offspecs

[dawn ivy]

oh lmao

[faint harness]

olof also had like 10 renown

or something

cus he had just swapped to necro

so its quite a scuffed attempt, but we just wanted to test if its possible with 0 healers 1 tank

and it was very easy

[stoic needle]

Anything good?

[gusty mirage]

another 226 voracious gorger spine

[stoic needle]

Huge

You've got better weapons than me now

[ornate raptor]

Atleast you get to see weapons

I am still looking for mine under the non existent rocks

[stoic needle]

I took the stinky shoulders because they are a 10 dps dslice upgrade

[ornate raptor]

If i yell tomorrow i got a weapon i am happy if i say nothing means i got nothing

😂

[stoic needle]

[odd hazel]

time to be disappointed by the vault

atleast this week is easy KSM week

eh, a 226 bloodoath signet

i'll take it i guess

[fair imp]

Horde rogue ?? Undead or goblin !!

[limber swallow]

blood elf

[odd hazel]

i'd go gob for the extra movement

since i also think gob gives haste or crit

[fair imp]

Doesn’t troll give a haste bufff too

[stoic needle]

You guess?! That ring is bis!

That's the same as a 226 inerva ring

[odd hazel]

some how i went from 6.4 to like 6.359 from equipping it.

im confused

oh

im dumb

i had oil instead of AP on my weaps

i have arachnid cipher and the inerva ring at 213

curious which is better to combo with that ring

@stoic needle yeah, i gain like 30 DPS from that ring and the inerva one

[fleet anchor]

I wouldn't really say that's "easy." You have to bring a Mage at least for the casters if you want to be that high even if you have a DH tank. And it'd be hard for Rogues to push up to 7.5k without a Warrior. Warrior and Mage will be far less than 7.5k by default. So even if you full stacked the raid it's still be kinda hard. There's only like 3 specs that can consistently push up to 7.5k over 2 minutes. Either all SP/Balance and a Mage, but they still requires strong play from everyone in the raid to average 7.5k.

[odd hazel]

a bunch of priests to PI everyone.

with the PI leggo

[faint harness]

you can bridge the dps issues of warriors etc with more spriests

[fleet anchor]

I mean if it was easy someone would have done it by now but I don't think anyone has logged a single one phase yet, so calling it "easy" is probably a stretch lol

[faint harness]

cus they are doing more than they have to

well the easy part is living it

without a healer

and tank not having a healer and having healing reduction stacks

[fleet anchor]

No logs have really even gotten remotely close with a traditional comp since like the high 2 minute kills have 20s+ after the phase even with a full second set of 2 minute CDs. So they are really upwards of 30-40s shy on the actual push

That's basically missing 25-30% damage for the push

[faint harness]

Well its whatever to do the fast kill if you cant 1 phase it

1 phase is the endgame

we got him to 18% (i think) before he went to the middle, and thats just trying to live not do max dps

[fleet anchor]

Don't think it's really possible with any normal raid group. May be possible in a meme group like the full Mage groups from Nyalotha. But there just isn't enough gear overhead to do it right now with any normal group.

[faint harness]

We believe in possibilities

and dreams

and hopes

so we'll do it