assassination

[vital tapir]

36k

[low girder]

well

[vital tapir]

34k *

[low girder]

his first one was at 2:42

[spice spire]

That’s a W

[low girder]

and his first CD set was right at 2m

[spice spire]

Missing 2 at the beginning

[low girder]

unless the log is bugged

[vital tapir]

the log's fine

it's my log

[low girder]

idk weak posted one earlier and the log just

didn't show the opening rupture

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber lion]

Oh boy.

[vital tapir]

that's why I tagged you ceve

[low girder]

i thought i was seeing giga mistakes too

until i realized he was subterfuge

lol

i haven't looked at overcap yet

oh

[honest heath]

for necro sin rogue m+ build...what potentcy conduits do I use for heimir?

[vital tapir]

is this good? I feel like he's not overcapping a lot?

[low girder]

notice how seal fate is separate

wasting on things that aren't seal fate or shiv

very bad

[vital tapir]

lel.

[low girder]

our 5% sire wipe last night for comparison

ignore the FoK overcap, that's in intermission

[strange python]

any updates on 9.1 covenant choices?

[vital tapir]

there hasn't been any new build, so no

[vital tapir]

lel

w8, lemme check my overcapping

on that kill

but I'm a sub so it'll be more probs

[low girder]

idk what sub's looks like, i imagine stech can randomly fuck you

never really looked at it even when i played

[limber lion]

Funny how some people call me Ceve. Haven't seen that anywhere but in RH. :p

[hollow escarp]

wait, how do you check that?

[limber lion]

Not that there's anything bad about it

[low girder]

resources -> hitpoints to combo points

[vital tapir]

what would you like to be called dear?

[hollow escarp]

nvm, found it

ty

[limber lion]

Usually people just say Cev

But you can call me anything you want babe

[vital tapir]

I alternate between those 😉

[limber lion]

[hollow escarp]

we can call you Ion

[vital tapir]

[low girder]

[limber lion]

hello it is i, watcherdev9000

[vital tapir]

compared to push it's okay I guess

[limber lion]

Only one PK? :o

[low girder]

but yeah, some things for him to work on for sure

[vital tapir]

bc this is push's kill as sub rogue on M danny

[low girder]

but feels like fok does more dmg?

idk

i forgot what the PK was on

[hollow escarp]

[young herald]

does anyone know if the WQ ilvl increase from renown applies immediately, or whether it only applies to the next WQs in the rotation after renown is increased?

[low girder]

also FoK can give me a second CP so nice for buildup for instadots on sire before i run off to my add

[hollow escarp]

immediately but you can relog if it doesn't refresh on your screen

[young herald]

great, thank you 😄

[limber lion]

Could be, PK is an awful ability :p

[low girder]

ye lol

wish we could just hit him in that little bit

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but if you fok, you waste HB stacks

[low girder]

apparently i hit fok once in p3

er

PK

[hollow escarp]

probably while soaking

like a good boy

[low girder]

yeah i think it was that line one

where melee have to get the middle

[vital tapir]

push has one logged kill as OL

[low girder]

the first slg kill i think

[vital tapir]

ye

[low girder]

he was not happy

lol

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

King

Oh no, just killed LFR HD and didn't get renown

Renown gods pls don't betray me now

[thorny pond]

What renown are you at?

[limber lion]

Just 15.

Started a few hours ago.

[thorny pond]

Oh not bad at all. Mine randomly stopped at 24 after the first week

[vital tapir]

ceve going necro?

[limber lion]

Yup

[thorny pond]

EVERYONE!

[shrewd night]

Jokes on you, my rogue is already necro

[vital tapir]

but how you gonna get r1 !?

same shie

[low girder]

oh, you "only" did 6.2k in p3 on your sire kill, i don't feel so bad about being 6k anymore then with my scuffed gear lol, zoldyck or not

[thorny pond]

R1 sire is necro with HB as talent

[hollow escarp]

isn't current r1 necro?

[vital tapir]

idk

I'm not checking you filthy assa players

[low girder]

or well, would've been if we killed it

[shrewd night]

dw, give it a few weeks and Ill be rank 1 sire lfr with bloodfang

[low girder]

i believe it

[hollow escarp]

[vital tapir]

lets get a tank a few healers and go full rogue comp on LFR / normal

[hollow escarp]

don't make premade

this is my dps on SLG

with full 225+ raid

boss phased in a few seconds

[vital tapir]

[limber lion]

Wtf the Inerva beam on LFR silences you

So you're forced to do the mechanic

[low girder]

wait really

lmfao

[hollow escarp]

getting beams

[vital tapir]

what.

fek them beams

[limber lion]

bruh I wish I had a blaster group like that sheez

[vital tapir]

sooo...how'd you parse on that one @hollow escarp

[limber lion]

My LFR's today have been nothing but painful

[hollow escarp]

I was watching Pilav's stream and he wanted to go rank 1 on all LFR bosses

so I joined his raid

[low girder]

wait until SLG where you have nothing to hit but a 99% reduction boss for like 30s

[limber lion]

Didn't get Renown from Inerva either. fak

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

Damn alright big boy

[shrewd night]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/kojack#difficulty=1

Ok buddy jim

hand over the parses

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

Looks similar to my heroic parses

[hollow escarp]

was about to say lol

[limber lion]

My boy's been pumping

[pseudo nimbus]

Guys do you have any tips for The Council of Blood? I feel like I can't do shit in that fight.

[limber lion]

It's a shit fight. Just pump ST as much as possible, keep one extra target bled with Rup/Gar and focus on doing mechanics properly.

[low girder]

all my heroic parses are still sub

[thorny pond]

Rupture and Garrote or is it "or"

[limber lion]

Well I mean, you have 97 average on HC as well which is good af ngl

[limber lion]

Rup and Gar.

[hollow escarp]

yeah, I'm ok with that for the beginning

[limber lion]

Yeh, that's much better than what I got on Legion lol

[hollow escarp]

my mythic logs on antorus are ugly af

[limber lion]

[pseudo nimbus]

thanks, I was probably doing the mistake of not keeping the extra bleeds on other target. Hopefully I can dps more today so I don't get benched again .

[hollow escarp]

[thorny pond]

I'm sure benching a rogue for another boomkin will fix the issues

[limber lion]

Sheeez what a gangster

Is that on mythic?

[hollow escarp]

no lol

[limber lion]

Oh

[hollow escarp]

mythic

[limber lion]

These are my hc parses. I never got a 95 on Garothi as Assa so it shows my 95 sub log instead

[hollow escarp]

I hate when they do that

[shrewd night]

Oh, good old argus parses

[limber lion]

I'm glad sub is not showing on my prof

lmao

[hollow escarp]

looking back I realize how clueless I was

[limber lion]

Same I was an actual dumboi

Get this

I didn't even know pandemic existed

[hollow escarp]

I mean, I did post my logs for roast here

[hollow escarp]

and I got good advice

[shrewd night]

[low girder]

man antorus is the one that looks good, i got all 3 specs in there

[hollow escarp]

I knew about basic mechanics because I watched a looong video about assassination

forgot what channel

but it was a guy playing a troll rogue

[low girder]

tri spec

[limber lion]

Back when you still played the superior class

[hollow escarp]

no bully on enha shamans

we love them

[shrewd night]

Im leveling a second rogue, clearly the nostalgia is getting to me

[limber lion]

[shrewd night]

One horde, one alliance. Murder squad bois.

[hollow escarp]

both my rogues are horde now

[limber lion]

Remember to check the pins and read the guides, and yes you press Shiv on CD.

[last imp]

at the risk of sounding like a dumboi, what's pandemic?

[limber lion]

Sec, there's a good video by Red Rogue that goes over it

[hollow escarp]

I found out about pandemic in wow before real life

[limber lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qldsRFvzVOU&t=1s

Here you go.

[last imp]

thank you

[limber lion]

But TL;DW: It's a mechanic that allows you to reapply bleeds before they expire, giving you 30% extra applied duration.

[last imp]

ooo

[plain thistle]

legion flex is nice, thats when I was good

[hollow escarp]

did you get good legendaries?

[pseudo nimbus]

@limber lion One more thing for the council fight. Would you go for CT or PB?

[plain thistle]

who didnt in antorus 🤔

[limber lion]

PB honestly.

[low girder]

ironically nyalotha has my highest avg

[hollow escarp]

got master assassin on christmas 🙂

after antorus

[low girder]

though NH is close

[limber lion]

I was so fucking tilted in Ny'alotha

I got great parses and ranks on every boss, except N'zoth

[hollow escarp]

I think my best tier so far is Nathria

[limber lion]

I only killed N'zoth ONCE

[hollow escarp]

but I only played 3 tiers

[last imp]

i cried when i got both bis legendaries during legion because they were the last two legendaries i didn't have

[limber lion]

Because my guild didn't want to kill it ever again

Because they were scared

[cobalt pelican]

wat

[limber lion]

So we just killed every other boss and fought for speed ranks

Except N'zoth

lul

[hollow escarp]

so was my guild, I helped on prog, got benched for an officer and they never killed it 2nd time

[last imp]

F

[hollow escarp]

tbf, I only had 6 bosses killed

[low girder]

antorus is when i think was my actual best though

[hollow escarp]

just a filler member

[low girder]

even though it wasn't my highest world rank nor best parses

[thorny pond]

same

[last imp]

i stopped playing after uldir until this past month

[limber lion]

Glad to see boys coming back.

[shrewd night]

@plain thistle ur still good in our hearts

[last imp]

antorus was my absolute favorite tier tbh

[hollow escarp]

I'm also an Uldir quitter

[limber lion]

Great to have some sin pumpers

[plain thistle]

[last imp]

i really miss doing millions of dps with a 985 ilvl

[limber lion]

Our guild disbanded in Uldir so I just decided to focus on school and mised out on 3 tiers.

[last imp]

all the giant numbers made me happy

[limber lion]

3M Death from Above crits

[plain thistle]

and legion I was in college, had time to play, now I need to work and feed myself

[last imp]

my guild didn't quit until halfway through dazar'alor but i couldn't afford a sub anymore since i had quit working

[hollow escarp]

I like how in this channel we bring back Legion discussions quite regularly

can't complain, loved Legion

[thorny pond]

Legion is like our high school

[last imp]

legion was my favorite xpac

[low girder]

antorus i was routinely flexing all 3 specs at will, up until sin overtook sub entirely. felt good. now i can only really flex 2

at least to that level

[last imp]

i don't feel like i have the brain capacity to learn more than one rogue spec

[limber lion]

I've never really gotten into Outlaw.

[last imp]

i've never really been interested in outlaw though

lol same

[low girder]

outlaw is a different beast this xpac

[hollow escarp]

I'd love to multi spec sub/sin

[vital tapir]

OL is kinda fun tho

[hollow escarp]

but not really into outlaw either

[last imp]

i tried outlaw briefly during legion but it didn't feel right

[vital tapir]

it's just built different from sub / si

sin*

[hollow escarp]

I'd say outlaw is better now

than it was back then

[low girder]

it is, i'd also argue it's much harder

[last imp]

i did switch to sub briefly during uldir and i liked it but i couldnt get the hang of it :c

[limber lion]

Sin is the god tier spec.

[last imp]

seeing so many dots makes me go

[hollow escarp]

yeah, huntsman on mythic is such a nice fight for sin

close to 0 downtime on dots

[last imp]

back on legion for a second tho i really miss our class hall

[hollow escarp]

huge energy gains, big envenoms

[last imp]

that sounds like the dream honestly

[thorny pond]

speedy sin is one of the most satisfying specs

[hollow escarp]

we're sewer rats

[last imp]

i miss being a sewer rat

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-stick-iasip-charlie-move-back-gif-12909284

[shrewd night]

How can you even find your way back to sin after the 105% haste memes last tier

[hollow escarp]

never reached those levels

so it's easy for me

[low girder]

i've kinda put that out of my memory

[vital tapir]

feels so shit to play after that

[last imp]

quit after uldir before i was able to be burnt out

[low girder]

instead my memory of bfa sin is bod/ep

[limber lion]

Just glue your eyes to the dps meter for your daily dose of serotonin.

[shrewd night]

My sin memories are 105% and WOOO 30% PB DAMAGE LEGOOOO

[low girder]

my bfa sin memory is now ranting about MA not doing anything

[last imp]

i simply don't have any memory of bfa sin

[low girder]

kind of like now

i love talents that can just... not exist

[thorny pond]

Can anyone think of any situation venom rush would be good?

[low girder]

maybe if they remove haste scaling from bleeds

other than that, probably not

[last imp]

honestly i forget some sin talents even exist

[limber lion]

Never, as long as Alacrity is in the game.

[thorny pond]

Alacrity is such a bandaid, feels so generic

[low girder]

were you around when fuu upped it to -14 off mutilate and it still lost

[gusty mirage]

Absolutely, when you’re straight memeing

[thorny pond]

lol no, that's great

[low girder]

better than exsang though

whispyr could find no solution to make it win

[thorny pond]

Which is even more sad

[gusty mirage]

Venom rush is god tier meme talent

[hollow escarp]

it's good while leveling

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

If a talent is only viable while leveling it needs changed

[timber basalt]

it can be ok in torghast when you get it as a free power

[limber lion]

Don't level as Assassination please

You'll just hurt yourself

[low girder]

sub so much fun

for that

zip zip all around the zone 2 shotting mobs

[hollow escarp]

even with sub you kill mobs with builders

before you get to cas a finisher

[gusty mirage]

Everyone I know who’s tried leveling as sin has quit leveling their rogue alt I can’t imagine why

[last imp]

i leveled sin

[gusty mirage]

Who hurt you?

[thorny pond]

Okay you masochist

[last imp]

it was the first character i ever played

[fallen current]

wowee.... do you hate yourself?

[hollow escarp]

I've seen a rogue in a dungeon while leveling he was doing no damage but for some reason he was applying crippling poison over and over again

[last imp]

i didn't know any better

[limber lion]

The problem is not having access to Venomous Wounds or Alacrity early.

[hollow escarp]

I leveled from 1 to 110 in legion as sin with no heirlooms

[limber lion]

And of course not having ANY upfront damage

Most dungeon trash mobs/bosses just collapse

[timber basalt]

sub feels really bad to play until you get symbols though

[limber lion]

No time to apply 18s dots to everything lol

[gusty mirage]

Yeah idk which brilliant game dev decided that venomous wounds shouldn’t be a thing until like you’re almost done leveling

[low girder]

same person who made blade flurry at like 38 or something

[thorny pond]

We're just not supposed to like leveling so we buy boosts

[last imp]

i didn't run any dungeons while i was leveling though because i was a scared little baby

[gusty mirage]

Dungeon leveling as a rogue is miserable

[last imp]

honestly leveling feels so much less punishing now

[gusty mirage]

You don’t get any aoe until super late

[last imp]

i've leveled a couple alts and none of them felt as grindy as going from 1 to 110 or 120

[gusty mirage]

So outside of bosses you’re just like hi I’m here

[last imp]

chromie has been a nice addition too

yeah i tried to level another rogue (as sin) to try and get back into it and i stopped at level 25 and just. switched back to my main and spent an hour at a target dummy in boralus before doing SL content

i was like "nope, not doing it"

[stiff tapir]

I swapped to sin for raid. Only thing I’ll be outlaw for is m+ SLG and Sire

Might still do sim for Sire

Sin*

[limber lion]

Sin is the better choice for Sire.

[stiff tapir]

With doom? Or zoldy

[low girder]

shh don't let vaughn hear you

[stiff tapir]

Well this is only theory. My guild prog is on sludge. Not sure we’ll get to/pass SLG so

[limber lion]

Zoldy for progression generally for more P3 damage, Doomblade for more overall.

Either is fine.

[tacit pebble]

sin is a tip top p3/p2 dmg spec, one of the best specs in the game for sire

[thorny pond]

P2 is our time to shine

[timber basalt]

how much % of your damage is/should fok be in m+

i feel like i'm underutilising it

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter.

You can sim yourself using DSlice and see how much it does there.

On 3T you don't use FoK

So it depends a lot on how large packs your tanks pull.

[stiff tapir]

Zoldy still tbe go too m+ ? Or can we use MA

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is the go-to, but MA is fine if you play the NS/MFD/CT build with it.

The damage profile is quite similar.

[timber basalt]

yeah but every dungeon has >3t packs by default, right

[limber lion]

Incorrect.

Most packs are not larger than 3T. You would have to pull several packs together.

Also it depends a lot on the dungeon.

Some dungeons you can have your FoK at like 11-12% of your overall damage

And on some it's like 2%

[timber basalt]

even in TOP you have the souls and some of plague wing

[limber lion]

Yes

But most of that dungeon is not bigger than 3T

There is big packs in every single dungeon

[timber basalt]

just finished SD and it's 2.6% which feels low

[limber lion]

But most are not big.

It doesn't really matter what your FoK % is.

Stop looking at it.

[mighty owl]

FoK is low damage, just gives you CPs for actual damage

[timber basalt]

well, it's about using it in correct circumstances, right

[limber lion]

There's not much brainpower tied to using Fan of Knives

1-2-3 targets? Mutilate.

4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12+ targets? Fan of Knives.

[stiff tapir]

If i use MA I’d use NS and MFD to put a giga CT on everything?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[stiff tapir]

Then fan, and garrote a couple things?

[limber lion]

You open from stealth with MFD - CT to get a Nightstalker snapshotted Crimson Tempest.

[rocky pecan]

FoK is?

[stiff tapir]

Fan and rupture sorry

Not garrote

[limber lion]

No, you do FoK - Rup - FoK - Rup - Gar

Yes.

[limber lion]

Fan of Knives.

[rocky pecan]

Oh OK thx

[stiff tapir]

So I’d always prioritize garrote lower on tbe scale unless I’m using subterfuge

For m+

Aoe

[limber lion]

I mean the priority doesn't change after the 4s

It's only the MA window which changes stuff up

You still want to garrote on cooldown

[stiff tapir]

Just after the 4 seconds

[limber lion]

And have 2-3 garrotes up at all times.

[stiff tapir]

2-3 garrote and 2-3 rupture?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[stiff tapir]

Rest goes to CT?

[limber lion]

No

You only use CT to get the bleed up

You don't spam it

[stiff tapir]

So only for bleed

[limber lion]

You apply Ruptures to everything that you can that live the duration

[stiff tapir]

So every 8-12

[limber lion]

So you can have 3 garrotes and 5 ruptures

If everything around you is inflicted with garrotes/rupture/CT, then you would Envenom

Making sure to keep your bleeds up at all times.-

[stiff tapir]

Makes sense

But you’d only wanna maintain on mobs that live longer

Or reapply right before the little ones die

[alpine latch]

So maybe I'm doing something wrong - but I feel like there's time I'm either going to overwrite Envenom or I'm just going to energy cap on m+ bosses

[limber lion]

Yes, you put bleeds up on targets that can live most of the duration.

[alpine latch]

I have garrote/rupture up, SnD is active, Envenom is rolling and I'm at 5CP and I'm approaching energy cap

What do I do in that situation? Overwrite Envenom?

[limber lion]

Then you Envenom.

The Envenom pandemics.

[alpine latch]

Ohh fuck, I didn't know that.

Okay cool

[limber lion]

There's a few conditions to using Envenom

1. If you have Shiv/Flag/Vend up, you Envenom without pooling.
2. You pool to max-30 before using Envenom, if you don't have cooldowns on the target.

[alpine latch]

I just ran my first two dungeons as Sin last night and going into raid tomorrow night super undergeared.

I'm trying to just not suck as much as possible

[limber lion]

As long as you press everything on cooldown, don't overcap on energy/combo points, finish at max-1; then you're gucci

[alpine latch]

Rolled Horde to play with some old friends from Legion super casually and just hit 60 last night and ran a +7 and +8. I have tonight to smash through as much gear/conduits as I can possibly get and I'm in heroic CN tomorrow night

I'm just hoping I survive one of the fights at this point. 20k HP is not enough, lol

[limber lion]

Good luck man!

[alpine latch]

ty ty. It's just good to be on a rogue again. I need to review all of the guides and I'm just hoping to not embarrass the class.

[light surge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[odd hazel]

heres hoping you have better luck with daggers then the rest of us

[silent stratus]

optimally I would not want to have to refresh garr/rup/CT during vendetta

correct?

[steep reef]

gm gamers anyone know why I can’t put deadly and wound on anymore?

[hazy crater]

not sure what you mean, you never could use 2 lethal poisons

[compact pumice]

I mean, you're probably gonna need to keep garrote up and it's not worth refreshing outside of Pandemic, same kinda goes for Rupture, since you invest 5cp you dont wanna refresh outside pandemic before vendetta, nor do you wanna hold vendetta for too long for both of those dots. CT is so short you probably need to use it twice to last a whole vendetta during vendetta (prob not though since you dont wanna use CT in a shiv window and you should have a shiv window in your vendetta).

If the gods are in your favor then the best possible vendetta has no cast of rupture in it. Though the two other dots are probably part of every vendetta. Vendetta is so long though so in practice you will probably use one garrote, one rupture and one CT during vendetta.

[last imp]

so i know doomblade is best on hands but what about zoldyck?

[compact pumice]

Legs in 9.0.5

[last imp]

gotcha ty!

[timber basalt]

according to top gear doomblade is consistently above zoldyck in dslice for me, any idea why? am I missing something?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qdfgjmyrGQTFyqMGDahR67

or is it simply a case of it being better on paper but there not being much opportunity to mut in practice

[low girder]

Could be wrong but your gloves are 207 while the pants are 226. That'll throw a wrench in the whole thing

[stoic needle]

Yep

[low girder]

Harder to double check that on mobile though

[twilit flax]

We just started prog on Blood Council and am having an awkward time figuring out what the best opener is. Am Venthyr and running EP/Vigor

[stoic needle]

Doomblade is very niche in m+ because it only gets value when you mut and envenom, which you don't do every often in keys

But you get zoldyck value on every single mob

@balmy condor maybe add this to the FAQ?

[stoic needle]

Hold vendetta and flag until after the attendant dies

[compact pumice]

But I mean if you sim it with your gear and it's close, it would probably be close in a dungeon as well, unless it differs a lot with how the DSlice is set up

[stoic needle]

No it actually won't be close in a dungeon tbh

[low girder]

Dslice is 50% single target

[stoic needle]

You don't mut unless it's 3 or less targets, and you only evenom to refresh SND or when things are about to die

[subtle tundra]

yep

[compact pumice]

On tyrannical something like ToP is very close if not more 1-3 targets

[stoic needle]

There are a few exceptions, sure

Top, plaguefall, some of SD

But in general doomblade isn't recommended

[compact pumice]

MA/Zoldyck is better suited for M+. Doomblade is not terrible though, is what I want to say, if you only have one and none of the others.

[cerulean nest]

can we stockpile soul ash for 9.1?

or are they gonna take it away

[compact pumice]

Soul Ash is still used in 9.1

[amber mountain]

You can stockpile

[compact pumice]

So just stockpile a way

[cerulean nest]

excellent

[amber mountain]

but you'll need a different resource to upgrade past 235

[stoic needle]

There's soul cinders that are used for the higher rank upgrades

[low girder]

^

[stoic needle]

but you get them both from running torghast at the same time

[hollow escarp]

Soul ash -> soul cinder

[thorny pond]

4 people ran Finality in M+ on subcreation as sin

[low girder]

Mega soul ash was better

[thorny pond]

Does finality even buff our rupture or do you have to be sub lol

[low girder]

It does

It's just shit

[thorny pond]

So at least they did better than the 3 people running celerity

[low girder]

Oh

Yes

Could be spec swapping memes though

[thorny pond]

6 bloodfang heroes

[amber mountain]

the 3 running celerity probably only carried 1 ring when running outlaw and switched to 'sin without having a leggo. The baby rogue in my guild did that on a few low keys

[thorny pond]

It was for 17s. Subcreation didn't have data lower than that. But you are probably right

[timber basalt]

maybe they forgot to swap gear sets

[fallen arch]

For M+ this week, use 235 doomblade or 190 Zoldyck?

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck

[fallen arch]

Ty

[vocal edge]

Anyone able to help with some inerva log reviews? I know I struggle with energy overcap for the first ~15-20s and shiving when I need to reapply dots in my shiv window https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tLqmjf9ZJdYvGQAH/

[fallen arch]

Well for one

There’s a shaman in your raid called palascrotum

Which is disturbing to say the least

[carmine island]

to upgrade item to 220 with valor u recomend me to upgrade bis dungeon weapon (dagger from mist) or upgrade the one i get atm (dagger from plague)

[balmy condor]

Sim it

Droptimizer at 220

[carmine island]

ok, so i should just bet best from sim? (with my actual gear) or maybe aim for super bis items??

[stoic needle]

Honestly I'd just upgrade what you have

It's not a huge difference

[carmine island]

yeah i was thinking exactly the same thing tbh, at least i start upgrading my weapons, one is 210 the other 1 200 weapons always improve melee dps performance

[silent stratus]

Thanks a lot

When would you use and not use CT then? I’m sure I’m not optimizing it really well

[limber lion]

On AoE it's your main priority, on ST you maintain the bleed outside of Shiv windows.

You don't ever spam CT

[fallen arch]

What talents do we use on Inerva?

[limber lion]

EP/MA/Vig/PB

Or BS/MA/DS/PB

[fallen arch]

What do you run?

[compact pumice]

Adds felt so minor on that boss for me so I went BS/MA/DS/PB, as venthyr tho

DS is usually simming quite a bit higher for Venthyr

[fallen arch]

I’m venthyr as well

Yeah I have seen that

[compact pumice]

But I mean, the big add is up for quite a bit, depending on your strat ofc.

[fallen arch]

I started out with vigor tho and I always feel out of energy a few seconds into the fight

[compact pumice]

So EP is better for that

I mean that's just Assassination. You will certainly have less energy a lot of the time with DS

For 2 target cleave tho your energy gain is veery good.

[stoic needle]

Being out of energy doesn't automatically mean you're doing less dps

[fallen arch]

I know, I’m more talking about ST in general

I know, using DS actually made me gain dps for sure

Just feel a bit energy starved from time to time on ST

[limber lion]

EP and Vig personally as Venthyr.

[balmy condor]

@limber lion

[limber lion]

[silent stratus]

So considering for example huntsman mythic: I usually open applying garr/rup 5cp on both huntsman and bear and then shiv vendetta vanish etc

Should I instead garr/rup/CT 5cp both of them and then vendetta etc?

I am worried in order to apply all the bleeds Im holding vendetta too much

[stoic needle]

If you're that worried you can wait until after vendetta to rupture the dog

You don't need to 5cp rup the dog either, iirc a 3cp rup will last the full duration of vendetta

[silent stratus]

just to not hold vendetta too much?

when I should CT then?

[stoic needle]

Before vend

I mean really, these few seconds in the opener don't matter

As long as you don't wait to vend until 30 seconds in you're fine

[clear zinc]

CT is so marginal on huntsman you may as well run bomb if you're worried about keeping it up

[fallen arch]

Is it ao bad to CT inside vendetta?

[stoic needle]

No

[royal lantern]

you just keep CT up

except inside a shiv window

[fallen arch]

I also run pb there, makes it an easier fight

[royal lantern]

4cp, 3cp is 16sec

[fallen arch]

Since for most of the fight the dogs and boss are about stacked

[silent stratus]

im not sure about that

I have to go back and forth to refresh garr/rup on the dogs

also wouldnt CT w/ 2 shades + boss + bear do a fuckton of dmg?

[stoic needle]

Yeah ct is overall better if you can keep your uptimes good on everything

Pb is definitely easier to play though

[amber mountain]

I need a short form cheat sheet for days like today when i'm sleep deprived

I can follow the conversation, but I'm definitely not keeping up >.<

[drifting wagon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Just do what I do and be sleep deprived every single day.

:^)

Get used to feeling like shit

[drifting wagon]

!spec

[prisma monolith]

All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26/#class=Rogue
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-character-rankings/season-sl-1/world/rogue/all

[reef elbow]

how is the lego balance looking on the ptr atm? is it safe to upgrade doomblade to max or should i start crafting some other leggos?

[balmy condor]

doomblade looking good

[reef elbow]

we dont know about the spec that will be played in the new raid yet right?

[loud light]

there's been nothing but an intial set of changes, 2 bosses were tested on heroic, and the patch won't be live for months

so no nothing is certain

[stoic needle]

We're all going to reroll to sub

[plucky isle]

hello guys!
question, how do you guys do council of blood, is there any multi dotting to have higher energy regeneration or is it a dps loss?

[shy dust]

Yes it it’s a gain

[amber mountain]

I always try to have ~3 dots up minimum (garrotte and rupture where applicable) on that fight. And since I'm also the raid lead, i get to dictate that Frieda gets to be tanked with Nic during his phase so I can interrupt (and handily have 2 targets to dot up)

[shy dust]

I think it’s up to 5 dots are a gain

But dotting then 3rd boss can be a bit difficult and will result on more lost auto attacks

[amber mountain]

Yep

[drifting cloud]

this phantom fire potion pretty good when it lasts for 1min

7% on shriek

[dark jewel]

poison bomb prob shitty for sire since theres so much movement p3 right?

[stoic needle]

Yep

[short hamlet]

don't have access to ingame client atm, but how often does rupture tick vs garrote

in terms of ticks/sec

[balmy condor]

they're both base of 0.5/sec

and both tick rates are increased by haste

[stoic needle]

i thought it was 2s?

[short hamlet]

so in a fight like council what's the optimum way to play it, i would imagine you'd want to apply poison to an off boss and garrote to feed you energy even though the boss heals

or is it worth tossing a rupture up too

[stoic needle]

pog the bell has leech on it and i didn't even realize it

[halcyon zealot]

only like 30% more mastery than my assa m+ set

[stoic needle]

sadly my actual M+ set only has 32, this is with my vers/mast MA on

i need another mastery ring

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-7929301

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/that-will-never-happen-nevermind-nevermore-never-g-ive-in-terry-crews-gif-13251897

[grand ridge]

If ass stat weights are as close as they are wouldn't it be bad to stack a single stat like that due to them bringing back DR

[stoic needle]

yeah but i don't care

[gusty mirage]

mastery is to osh what heroin is to an addict

can't get enough

[stoic needle]

But even with DR stats don't stop being good

They just become slightly less good

[gusty mirage]

mastery also DRs based on rating not % because % is dif for each class & spec

[stoic needle]

They won't give me any more mastery gear in the vault

I'm p sure all stats Dr based on rating now

[gusty mirage]

well crit, haste, and vers are uniform for all classes & specs

for the most part afaik

[jagged osprey]

Hey guys I'm trying to get Doomblade legendary on my new rogue and the torghast wing isnt up so I'm gonna try fishing for it on twisted corridors

Anyone know which wing to look for 1st? does the wing that you got initially persist through teh whole run?

[stoic needle]

It's only until the first boss

And it's uh

[balmy condor]

mort'regar

[jagged osprey]

Ya so if it's mort'regar on floor 1 thats cool?

[stoic needle]

That one

[desert inlet]

I think it'll drop from floor 6 so you just reroll until you get the correct wing when you enter

[stoic needle]

Yep

[jagged osprey]

Thankyou guys 🙂

[short hamlet]

i cant do math

[balmy condor]

[short hamlet]

I could be dumb here

[balmy condor]

0.25 tick /sec

• 4

is 1 tick / 4 sec

[short hamlet]

I have a very, very smooth brain

[stoic needle]

Where does the x4 come from

[short hamlet]

frictionless some would say

[balmy condor]

incredibly smooth

[short hamlet]

wanna know the scary part

i might have math involved in my day job

[gusty mirage]

no you definitely have math involved in your day job

every job does

[short hamlet]

It's okay my assumption was 2 rogues were sharing a bleed. Or something. I don't know I'm an idiot.

[stoic needle]

2rogues1garret

[drifting wagon]

thats hot

[jagged osprey]

aw fuck

do i need to do twisted corridors on layer 3 for the legendary lmao

[stoic needle]

Yes

[jagged osprey]

fk me

im dumnb

[halcyon zealot]

just to floor 6 tho

[jagged osprey]

never did TC on my main

[stoic needle]

Could just craft dashing instead

You'll never notice the difference

[jagged osprey]

might just make zoldycks

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is also good

[fickle trout]

do trinkets benefit from vendetta or shiv?

[limber lion]

No.

[fickle trout]

that was fast! thx!

[limber lion]

[fickle trout]

bc i binded my Skulker's Wing on my Mutilate

[halcyon zealot]

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

As you probably guessed from the reactions, you probably don't want to do that. :p

[split cipher]

That's a dangerous game to play

the amount of massacres I've died to because of that trinket

[balmy condor]

wow imagine answering a pinned question

[gusty mirage]

You know, its heartwarming that I'm not the only person whispyr makes fun of

[limber lion]

[tidal bone]

theres no dagger in the shadowlands pve drop tables?

besides BoE

[limber lion]

The tokens in the raid

You can trade those in for daggers.

There are daggers in M+ / dungeons as well.

[tidal bone]

thanks!

i didnt noticed it

❤️

[limber lion]

Np!

[frosty bridge]

Anyone mind checking logs for a second? Stuck on Sire and I am getting slightly tilted

[limber lion]

Sure, link 'em here

[frosty bridge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LkZqzPdDbRxyWvah/#type=auras&spells=debuffs&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1

[limber lion]

Assuming you're Losmii

[frosty bridge]

Yup

[limber lion]

Well, to start with the basics:
Your opener is incorrect every time. You should use Muti - Snd - Muti - Gar, not Muti - Snd - Gar. You also should be using Shiv before using Vanish, not during the MA window.

Why are you using all of your cooldowns on Sire when P2 starts? Are you not assigned to use them on an add?

[frosty bridge]

Overkilling add with it

[limber lion]

Both adds?

[frosty bridge]

Well

MId pull, thanks for the help, will reply in a second :D

[spare dragon]

hello fellas, so i just hit 60. now wondering (in terms of 9.1) if i should go venthyr or necrolord? (raid m+ and a little rbg is my playstyle).

[uneven plume]

Did you see the new 9.1 affix

[limber lion]

No, what is it?

[uneven plume]

Random anima powers

Smh

[limber lion]

They're both solid choices. Can't say which is better in 9.1

[wary ice]

honestly xD

Super excited to RNG my way to 4k io

[uneven plume]

It’s so bad

I was hoping they removed or tweaked some affixes like storming or ghost one

[prisma carbon]

How do you guys handle the really bad overlap in P3 of Denathrius? I've watched a couple of videos, but I am still unsure as to what my goal should be. Should I let the boss push me through him and then Shadowstep back?

[uneven plume]

But wtf is this torghast shit lmfao

[frosty bridge]

@limber lion I'll start using CDs on the first add again yeah, basically, we phased the boss with fricking 42-44 or something

[wary ice]

the one where theres the pizza slice + the knock back?

[frosty bridge]

So since the first add was dying fairly quickly without the vendetta on it, i shifted it to only boss

[prisma carbon]

yes @wary ice

[wary ice]

Its a positional thing your raid needs to figure out; we did it by positioing boss so you just punch him and use the knockback to get out of the pizza slice

bascially turned it into a tank problem

[limber lion]

Yeah, there's very little reason to not use cooldowns on the adds. You do more damage because of the debuff, meaning you get more value out of your cds as well.

[limber lion]

I just pop Cloak of Shadows, run into the old ravage and then shadowstep to a DK/Paladin after the knockback

[prisma carbon]

@limber lion do you think thats worth doing on a first kill? im usually using cloak on some of the blood price casts to help healers out

[limber lion]

Yeh, if your guild can handle the blood price healing

If you're at like 50% hp and blood price is coming up, you def should cloak it.

But if you're at 100% and you still have healthstone/hp pot, then you should be fine.

[potent raft]

we just started progressing Sire
playing doomblade for now but ultimately will go zoldyck when we start getting to p3

people go all sort of of talents for row 1 and 3

any logic behind it (when to go what)

[limber lion]

EP/Vig are generally better for multi-target fights where there are multiple targets to hit. Going full ST with BS/DS will be more damage in P3, but less damage overall.

If you're blasting P2 already and meeting all of the dps checks there, then you can go full ST and blast P3.

You use it during Gemstone procs.

And whenever it's about to cap. You don't want to let them cap.

[stoic needle]

You should probably go zoldyck from the beginning so that you don't mess up your guild's dps checks when you swap legendaries

[potent raft]

indeed most people are going for these combinations
i guess the 1 or 2 guys going EP/DS got me mixed up

[limber lion]

EP/Vig is actually the majority.

[potent raft]

EP/DS**

[limber lion]

No?

'

[potent raft]

i meant EP/DS got me mixed up

edited my message

[limber lion]

Alright.

[gloomy knoll]

ep is for padding in p2

it's for parsing not prog

blindside is better for prog

[limber lion]

Not necessarily.

[gloomy knoll]

p3 damage is the most important for prog

[limber lion]

Some guilds do not meet the P2 damage checks

[gloomy knoll]

blindside is more p3 damage

ct is just the better overall talent for sire imo

you can slam p2 with ct

[limber lion]

The difference between Blindside and EP is very minor

[gloomy knoll]

you don't need ep

[limber lion]

You don't need BS either.

You can literally play anything and still do 6k+ in P3

[gloomy knoll]

and in prog p3 damage is 99.9% of the time the most important damage

so why wouldn't you optimize for that

[limber lion]

It's not necessarily though

[gloomy knoll]

it is

[limber lion]

It's not though lol

[drifting cloud]

ofc it is

[limber lion]

It usually is, but not 99.99% of the itme

[shy dust]

I mean

[limber lion]

Our guild NEVER had any issues with P3 damage

[shy dust]

you can play any talent choice

[limber lion]

But we did have issues with adds not dying in P2

[shy dust]

and do Large p2 damage

[gloomy knoll]

^

[shy dust]

you should be optimizing yourself

for the final 3rd

which is considered the hardest part of the fight

[gloomy knoll]

^

[shy dust]

also

ep is a large loss

[pallid bough]

wouldn't that just be a comp issue?

[shy dust]

in p3

[pallid bough]

if your P2 damage is low and P3 damage is high

Lol

[gloomy knoll]

probably a cd placement issue

p2 damage checks aren't that high

[shy dust]

people could have just been holding

too many cds for p3

[limber lion]

Ye definitely is

But some guilds don't have the leverage to change their comps or optimize better

And are forced to play with whatever they have available

[pallid bough]

p3 damage is super important indeed, arguably the most important part of mythic sire, and that's what sin rogues excel at. But like if you are missing p2 damage or lacking in p2 damage, then it isnt an BS vs EP issue

however I do think, for prog reasons, BS is definitely better.

[gloomy knoll]

same reason i'd play zdicks on prog

over doomblade

[pallid bough]

^

ye

[gloomy knoll]

even tho its less overall

overall and parses don't mean jack diddly shit for prog

[pallid bough]

and honestly

[gloomy knoll]

it's all about killing the boss

[drifting cloud]

yes its logical but keep in mind 1month ago most rogues didnt have ash to craft both legos at r4

[pallid bough]

if you are fine playing Outlaw, and your raid overall p3 damage is fucking nuts

then play Outlaw to help in p2

but

thats sort of inting

LOL

[gloomy knoll]

yea especially since sin was dead so nobody had sin leggos lol

but if i had a choice of what leggo to use if i was progging denny

[limber lion]

Exactly, and for our raid it helped when people used more stuff in P2 which let us get to P3 more consistently and prog on that part. I think we killed it the second time we got to the very end. Actually nah, with people dying it was more like 5th time.

[gloomy knoll]

i'd use zdicks

[limber lion]

P3 is the hardest part for sure, but it's ignorant to say that P2 damage checks can be ignored.

[gloomy knoll]

that doesn't make not optimizing yourself for p3 right

[limber lion]

Most of our wipes came from P2

[gloomy knoll]

and it's not ignoring p2

[limber lion]

Not P3.

[drifting cloud]

ceve

[gloomy knoll]

like rae said

[shy dust]

Playing for overall is the dumbest shit

to do on prog

[drifting cloud]

why are you making stuff up for your case

[pallid bough]

same

[gloomy knoll]

no matter what you play you do good p2 damage

[drifting cloud]

when you have public logs

of your 1st kill

[gloomy knoll]

you optimize for p3

[pallid bough]

most of our wipes were in P2

Because we had messed up timings

[limber lion]

Because Esra was saying that that's the case for 99.99% of the guilds

[drifting cloud]

2nd time btw

[limber lion]

When it's not necessarily true.

It's true for most.

[gloomy knoll]

if your p2 is fucked

it's not because a sin isn't playing ep

[pallid bough]

^

[limber lion]

Sure

[gloomy knoll]

it's because yall placing cd's wrong mechanical errors etc

[pallid bough]

thats what I am saying

yeah

[gloomy knoll]

no matter what you play you do good p2

[drifting cloud]

thats the whole point of playing best p3 setup so you can still kill the boss with people dead

[pallid bough]

its more of a raid issue

[gloomy knoll]

and to sacrifice p3 damage

to do more p2

is just straight dumb if you progging

[pallid bough]

^^^^

100%

[gloomy knoll]

when the literal reason rogue is brought is for p3 dam and the most important damage of the fight IS p3

[drifting cloud]

because getting to 10:00 with 20 alive just doesnt happen most of the time

and when you say you had no problems with p3 dmg, hey then you shouldnt have a problem phasing 1% higher aswell

I fucking hate it when people in my guild do like 800-900k in p3

[drifting cloud]

and im doing 1.3

[green obsidian]

guys quick question, just got the chain from sludge mythic, is it better than the slg trinket for assa?

[shy dust]

[gloomy knoll]

200 dps loss

[shy dust]

sim it

[pallid bough]

sim it

[shy dust]

SLG trinket is bad though

so probably

assuming one isnt very low ilvl

[gloomy knoll]

pretty sure we had 100k wipes on denny @shy dust when i joined my guild

[green obsidian]

it sim 3dps more but i dont know how sims work with the chain proc

[drifting cloud]

Ive had 2 or 3 wipes below 100k on reclears

[shy dust]

i think its separate procs

from speaking to people

[gloomy knoll]

that 200 dps means a lot in cases like that

[green obsidian]

the other trinket i have is the vessel 233

[gloomy knoll]

yea same ryler

[shy dust]

and yeah I swapped to assa zoldyck on prog

[gloomy knoll]

we had one last night

a super low wipe

[pallid bough]

Ideally you would want Dreadfire and Phial (226) correct?

[shy dust]

just because at some point you dont need p2 damage

[gloomy knoll]

and then the next pull we killed it and i died to swirl rng

[shy dust]

p2 damage just comes with attempts and people learning to do damage while dodging

[pallid bough]

dude

the fucking swirl rng

during Hand pull

is so fucking tilting

holy shit

[gloomy knoll]

gripped off a platform right into a swirl

i just got straight yeeted

lmao

[pallid bough]

I absolutely fucking hate that shit so much

[gloomy knoll]

first time it's happend to me in a long time tho

[drifting cloud]

well its not so much rng as its stuff dieing too slow 😛

[gloomy knoll]

generally rogue can be pretty safe

yea our ranged was slackin

[drifting cloud]

the best one I remember from prog was 1st set of adds and the swirl hits your while youre getting gripped

so you just get bounced back on the platform

[gloomy knoll]

i had that happen last night

i venth telported down

and cloaked the hand

then talked shit to my raid because they can't do that

[drifting cloud]

and if youre necro you can just chill for 30s

[gloomy knoll]

xD trueeee

someone also tried to launch me off the platform on slg

[pallid bough]

@drifting cloud well the problem we had was that it was very weirdly inconsistent

[gloomy knoll]

and i shadowstepped the boss and lived

[pallid bough]

sometimes add would just super fast

[gloomy knoll]

man i fucking love rogue lol

[pallid bough]

sometimes add would take more time

[shy dust]

playing sub on sire was amazing

shadow step is such a great ability

[gloomy knoll]

fr fr

[shy dust]

especially for p3 uptime

[gloomy knoll]

sub sire p3

was literal god tier

[pallid bough]

and difference was big Ryler

[gloomy knoll]

i fucking loved it

[pallid bough]

but this was from our earlier prog

later on we were making the timings more and more consistently the same

[drifting cloud]

yeah I mean it still happens all the time, but the timing to kill people has to be really unlucky

[pallid bough]

ye

[drifting cloud]

were talking like a 0.5s window

assuming people move

• the rng how far you are when the grip actually happens

since youre in the air longer then

and you just go next, nothing to really trying to imporve it just happens

[gloomy knoll]

yea just jump off

go againe

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

I just finished the campaign

[hollow escarp]

why?

[limber lion]

8 renown to go

Pog

[hollow escarp]

do campaign at 30

[warped temple]

let's go! necrolord brotherrrr

[hollow escarp]

the stamina from renown is quite big

I dropped like 2k hp

[storm elbow]

why is everyone going necrolord for assa?

[bitter crescent]

because its best for m+ and looking strong for next patch as well

[storm elbow]

is it already better in m+?

[plain thistle]

yes

[bitter crescent]

and its bis in pvp as well afaik

[storm elbow]

just lvled an assa as a fun twink but i guess the difference isnt that big to make a huge impact

[drifting cloud]

well necro is the best all around covenant

[storm elbow]

i thought venthy would be best for assa

[drifting cloud]

so unless you are super pve raid focused you dont have to be venthyr

[stoic needle]

THE MASTERY GAINS

[drifting cloud]

and even venthyr isnt the best covenant on like 3-4 bosses in the raid

[slender berry]

talking about "best" with such minor difference really isnt worth it

[hollow escarp]

yeah

it's mostly testing stuff out

having fun

it's also great for last 2 bosses

[drifting cloud]

wtf thatt trinket

seems insane

[stoic needle]

its going to be cracked

i want it

[drifting cloud]

even at like half the value its still insane

[slender berry]

what boss drops that

[stoic needle]

especially with recuperator passive healing

eye of the jailer

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

between recuperator, your healers, health stones and pots

[slender berry]

seems like a trinket literally everyone wants

[gusty mirage]

nah idk man

our melee healers in raid are super sketchy

I'll get negative DPS

[slender berry]

wtf is a melee healer

[gusty mirage]

a healer assigned to heal melee?

[hollow escarp]

pala, monk

[slender berry]

that exists?

[gusty mirage]

yes?

lol

[slender berry]

thats seems pretty bad

[halcyon zealot]

whoop

[gusty mirage]

[halcyon zealot]

u didn’t see anything

[gusty mirage]

works fine when one of your healers doesn't have 40% of their healing be the miasma on hungering destroyer

he got replaced quickly

can't imagine why

[stoic needle]

[slender berry]

idk in todays healing world assigning healers like that is just bad

you heal mostly with cds

[gusty mirage]

why is it bad besides your opinion being the case?

[hollow escarp]

never heard of something like that before either

[slender berry]

because the other healers might not heal you and safe melees when they could

[hollow escarp]

I assumed it's healers that attack in melee

[grave dock]

yea that's not really a thing

[high mist]

monks can fistweave and heal the tank & other melee pretty easily as they dps in a fight like hungering

[slender berry]

which seems to be the case if you even notice that youre not recieving enough healing

[gusty mirage]

oh that's happened, but our healers are good now

look at my 6 parse on council when I got 0 heals

KEK

[slender berry]

in a 20 man raid theres no reason a healer cant heal everyone

[gusty mirage]

for sure, but you can also have people watch out for spikes at dif parts of the raid

[slender berry]

those spikes should always be covered with cds

[gusty mirage]

since we got rid of that specific healer, haven't had an issue

[slender berry]

leaving every other healer to look out for individual people

[dawn ivy]

they fixed the cdr on flag leggo but the vers is still 12 seconds

feelsbadman

[slender berry]

well w/e not my problem your healers can heal however they want

[hollow escarp]

is there a bug with SBS that it doesn't grant cp?

or was it parry?

[stoic needle]

sbs can get 'deflected'

[hollow escarp]

was trying to do the APL opener and was wondering why I got no CP

[gusty mirage]

didn't know mobs were Neo from the matrix

[fleet anchor]

Deflect is the same as parry

Just depends on if it's ranged or not

[stoic needle]

do hunters get deflects?

[frosty bridge]

Turtle?

Or is it not a deflect

Pretty sure it says Deflect when you try to hit them with turtle active

[hollow escarp]

thanks to this renown farm, I fixed my LFR SLG parse

[fleet anchor]

I think Deflect is only for ranged melee abilities, if that makes sense 😛

Like Hammer of Wrath and such

Basically just ranged stuff that is marked as using the normal parry combat table entry

[hollow escarp]

aimed shot for example?

[fleet anchor]

Don't think Hunter attacks can be deflected/parried because reasons

[hollow escarp]

you can evasion aimed shot

[glass grotto]

is it worth to overcap on combo points when waiting for a shiv + envenom ?

like if i get 6 combo points , should i envenom first or shiv into envenom

[stoic needle]

yes, shiv first

[halcyon zealot]

yeah for the most part you ignore shiv CP generation

and just press on CD

[icy ember]

unless vendetta is coming up in the next 12s

[charred mango]

im seeing a lot of the top assa parses on Mythic Sire using vigor over deeper strat, is that just cause of the adds or is vigor still worth using on ST too?

[gloomy knoll]

it's because deeper is annoying to use with ep and ep is better for parsing

so when most people go ep they just go vigor

and no we don't use vigor in ST

[charred mango]

ok cool ty

in that case, if its mostly for parsing do you think that running EP and vigor on sire will be worth it for progression too?

[stoic needle]

BS deeper CT for prog

[shy dust]

I would not recommend vigor or EP

just run what Oshosi recommended

[placid cobalt]

wtf is this trinket on ptr

[hollow escarp]