assassination

[tribal marlin]

😄

[limber lion]

Yeh those 40g tomes sure are expensive huh.

:p

[tribal marlin]

it's not about golds xD

[hazy crater]

is it about the 5 seconds that you use on changing talents then?

[tribal marlin]

yeah 😄

[honest karma]

Does anyone got the actual dmg gain you get from swapping blindside to EP on huntsman?
Prolly hard to test 100 %

[limber lion]

What do you mean? You just sim it.

[tribal marlin]

you know opening the bag, forgotting to switch back etc...

[limber lion]

Sim 2T on Top Gear and you get a pretty good estimate.

[tribal marlin]

Sims are innacruate because they have shared hp

[honest karma]

Oh yeah true, im a dumbfuck haha

[torn atlas]

I 100% don't put it down to JUST changing the talents. But my previous logs are around 5.5k and most recent was 7.4k

[tribal marlin]

ep pb still better anyway but yeah

[limber lion]

?

It's still 2 target, what

How does sharing hp have anything to do with it

Also, CT is better than PB.

[honest karma]

I guess if Ur pushing those top logs its worth it, but not sure if that would ever make or break a kill if Ur progging

[tribal marlin]

if they had not shared hp, you'd make the encounter longer by mutilating dogs and not boss

[hazy crater]

No talent really makes or breaks a huntsman prog atm to be fair 😄

[tribal marlin]

but since they have shared hp, it's not the case

[shrewd night]

[limber lion]

wat

[shrewd night]

If you are trying to argue that they are inaccurate based on fight length, thats the case for most sims. But you can absolutely use sims to check the damage difference between talents for 2t setups

Like, what on earth are you on about

[tribal marlin]

I'm not instructing toxic people, mind your tone and maybe we can argue

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

[honest karma]

Is there a good way to sim it accurate when they got shared health and u can get alot of bs procs from the low hp dogs?

[gusty mirage]

[frail fossil]

[tribal marlin]

That's way too much trouble for really nothing

EP is better

[fathom swift]

wait what

[shrewd night]

Based on what

[fathom swift]

how is simming 2 target any different from shared hp?

[dawn ivy]

2t have different hp which weights BS differently

huntsman is 2T but you have one target constantly hitting execute

[fathom swift]

you can easily set that up in simc

[worn fossil]

There used so be a Mouseover Makro for Bone Spikes somewhere on wowhead i guess, cant find it. Does anyone have it quickly ?

[gusty mirage]

One sec

[tribal marlin]

It's a tricks, if they had not shared HP execute on adds wouldn't matter because the time you spend hitting the add in execute, is time you are not spending droping the boss down to execute range

basically

[vestal wren]

EP will probably outperform blindside in the next tier

[gusty mirage]

Mouseover for bone spike: #showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Serrated Bone Spike(Necrolord)

There ya go

[worn fossil]

Thank you very much 🙂

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

whats makes you say that

[gusty mirage]

idk why I have it saved on my phone but I do

[keen cairn]

Hello fellow shadowboys, DK/Lock main here, don't judge
Got a question, my rogue just dinged and due to demon gear, I find myself most of the time only reaching 20 ish Flag stacks. Is it a no brainer to reach 30 with proper haste amounts?

[vestal wren]

BS scales worse, EP usually becomes better with higher gear levels

[limber lion]

You can just use advanced sims that spawns adds (rough numbers here) that live for 55 seconds and spawn a new one after a minute if you want to fancy-pants it.

But the results are essentially still the same.

[vestal wren]

but you can just run a simulations with higher itemlevel it will likely show you ep ahead or equal

[strange python]

is there a way to sim and artificially inflate ilvls

[balmy condor]

20ish is okay, usually you can hit 25ish pretty reliably

[vestal wren]

just add ,ilevel=XXX to the end of each gear piece

[strange python]

cool ty fuu

[balmy condor]

the BS/EP thing has been shown many times

just btw

[strange python]

and thanks for explaining

[vestal wren]

(replace XXX with the mythic itemlevel of the next raid)

[hollow escarp]

[keen cairn]

Ty bro.
One more question about the rota/prio stuff.
I usually open with a multi into SND, Muti, Garrot, Rupture right?

[limber lion]

Looks good.

[keen cairn]

Seen a couple of videos where the opener differs

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[balmy condor]

yep

[gusty mirage]

Just try to keep your bleeds up and maximize your shiv windows and you’re on your way to maximum stabbing

[keen cairn]

And then I just go to 5 CP into shiv, flag, Vendetta, vanish, evenom?

[fathom swift]

correct

[keen cairn]

It just feels alot of button pressing atm

[gusty mirage]

You can flag before the first rupture too

[keen cairn]

Due to the 5% haste I got

[hollow escarp]

didn't you said you play DK?

[vestal wren]

small variations in opener usually don't end up in a damage diffrence

people oversell openers and spend way to much time trying to maximize them

[strange python]

my opener damage seems really inconsistent and i do the same thing each time

[keen cairn]

Yeah but the dk opener sequence is kinda muscle memory now

[vestal wren]

most people that struggle with dps know the opener but after that just don't know anything of the spec

[gusty mirage]

Army with PI and afk?

[hollow escarp]

it gets the same for every spec eventually

[keen cairn]

I'll just try to focus on fitting as many CP spenders as possible into my flag window I guess and will try to keep dots up+ making good usage of shiv windows

[hollow escarp]

you realize that your opener is muscle memory on Hungering when you are focusing on where to position rather than what buttons to press

[tribal marlin]

dk is really boring once you did you opener sequence tbh 😄

not saying that assa is more entertaining tho

[gusty mirage]

Don’t overthink it. You sound like you’re a good player, so I’m sure you’ll be fine

[strange python]

I like assa

[sand gyro]

This. I played UH for a while and once your opener is done and you're just building/bursting wounds and filling with Death Coil/Epidemic it just feels slow and bad

[tribal marlin]

definitely slow but bad idk

I don't really "enjoy" raid farming anyway tbh, on any class

[keen cairn]

Well, i guess I'm decent, so should be fine. I really like the pace and flow of Assa even with low haste numbers

[tribal marlin]

so I find my enjoyement in the progression and in the encounter preparation during progress

[limber lion]

233 cloak sims better than the 233 ring.

[tribal marlin]

And I like having slow/easy rotation class so I can focus on what's going on

[limber lion]

What to do, what to do hmm

[gusty mirage]

What’s the dps dif?

[tribal marlin]

sounds like a rich problem you got there

[lavish grove]

How does Phial work in an aoe scenario? Any reason why it's still considered bis trinket? Does CT apply it?

[gusty mirage]

Welcome aboard the assa train

[hollow escarp]

at least I get to upgrade my 223 belt I guess

[gusty mirage]

That stitchflesh signet is actually wonderful

[tribal marlin]

I almost forgot to take my stygia from weekly chest 😮

[sand gyro]

Trying to prog Hungering tonight with 6 melee and 7 ranged, we've got the DPS but got to make sure no one dies. 20 pulls so far.

[hollow escarp]

I have it on 223 already

[hazy crater]

It's fine you can open multiple vaults

[strange python]

Nothing wrong with that dude good luck

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

6881

[strange python]

Is grim codex any good?

[limber lion]

Not really.

[fathom swift]

not being above 7k

[tribal marlin]

pog

[hollow escarp]

[gusty mirage]

[keen cairn]

[tribal marlin]

3rd one

outlaw here I come

[hollow escarp]

[stoic vale]

why the opener is without ambush but instead with multilate? isnt ambush just more dmg?

[hollow escarp]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[limber lion]

Yes, but no.

[low girder]

lmao

i love that

[hollow escarp]

alt rogue got memory and skulkers

[tribal marlin]

holy shit I'm really slacking theese days on wow xD

https://i.imgur.com/JTDpeMF.png

xD

[hollow escarp]

at least you can clean the bags now

[stoic vale]

thank you 🙂

[tribal marlin]

hopefully they stack yeah

dude i'm so lazy

it's been 3 weeks since I got Sire helm, and I didn't farm a signle stygia for the socket lul

[hollow escarp]

wait, so as NF we press ambush now?

[tribal marlin]

iirc the argue about it, it really doesn't matter

[hollow escarp]

yeah, I remember the same

but only played NF first week of this patch

[tribal marlin]

still keeping up that icon tho !

[hollow escarp]

always night elf

at least in heart

[tribal marlin]

you too have carry the badge of the traitor 😄 ?

https://i.imgur.com/1AZo7Vj.png

They all know ....

[hollow escarp]

not really, never got a token while NF

got the council one from venthyr 😄

[nocturne remnant]

With the changes coming in 9.1 should i play Venthyr assa even in M+? I'm new to the class

[tribal marlin]

Btw do you get all transmog when you get a token ?

I mean for all 4 cov ?

[hollow escarp]

[tribal marlin]

people in my guild are grinding all 4 covenant for some reason

[hollow escarp]

you "learn" it but doubt you can tmog it

[tribal marlin]

so we sometime have wierd shit like Necrolord warrior or venthyr druid

[hollow escarp]

a bit too early to tell, but as for now, venthyr and necro look good for the current patch

[compact pumice]

Nothing is final in 9.1 and no real sims have been posted yet since they just have to redo them when they inevitably change some stuff closer to release.

[nocturne remnant]

@compact pumice Is Venthyr a safe choice in this patch?

[tribal marlin]

yeah

[compact pumice]

Venthyr will probably be the best ST

Still

[tribal marlin]

but necrolord idk

might be super strong

for some situation

[compact pumice]

But Necro will probably still be bis in AOE

[hollow escarp]

anything except kyrian is a safe choice I think

[jolly phoenix]

Cleave sbs sounds tasty.

[tribal marlin]

• Necrolord have that juicy fleshcraft which is insanely good in progression

[nocturne remnant]

Sbs?

[hollow escarp]

serrated bone spike

necrolord ability

[tribal marlin]

I saw they added a special soulbind trait for Venthyr which increase hp and hs healing tho, might be very good too, but Flash is equal to Defensive (dmg reduction) CD when HP isn't really saving you from OS

Nadjia final trait sound very very good tho

[nocturne remnant]

Since i'm new to the class i think i'll focus on assa even if i don't have a raiding guild yet

[hollow escarp]

it's a good starter spec

[nocturne remnant]

Prob going Venthyr but will think about necro

[hollow escarp]

we're not biased at all

[nocturne remnant]

I wanna play Outlaw too for M+ but not rly sure which one is better for starting out in both content, and i heard assa is decent in pvp

[tribal marlin]

that shit

might need to tweak a bit the opener, basically opening with flag or shit like this

but it trigger exactly every 1:30

[nocturne remnant]

Is Venthyr the best covenant for pvp?

[hollow escarp]

better to ask that in #pvp

I've seen some necro assa pvp-ers but not sure what's the best right now

[fallow otter]

For sin, I believe necro is the move

More tank

But yeh go pvp chan

[strange python]

i joined the 7.2 gang

[orchid imp]

Any sick plays you can do as ass rogue on Sludgefist Mythic?

[balmy condor]

not sure what you mean by sick plays

you can do pillar damage I guess that's sick

[strange python]

you can do a 360 before every envenom

[heavy trail]

I heard it might be possible to meld sap him just as he hits the pillar avoiding all damage. OK maybe not 🙂

[tulip nacelle]

you can step to break chains and kill your friends

[fallen arch]

While cheating death

Been there done that

[strange python]

hmm if you cloak and break chains do you still get stunned

[hazy crater]

everything sludge does is physical so I would assume so

[lavish grove]

MA or Zoldyk for 14s? Dungeon slice sims higher with MA, but what do you guys use?

[balmy condor]

both are fine, but usually zold is just easier

they do very similar damage

[final star]

Finally

the 1 key special

I had 220/207 before

226/220 now pog

[tulip nacelle]

I think everything is physical there, even the stun, haven't tried it but think it won't work

[vestal wren]

i assume zoldy will only be used on figths that benefit a lot from the execute

it does not seem to me as the "default choice"

[neat tartan]

Wow nice weap 👍🏻

[limber lion]

They were talking about m+, not raid. In m+ Zoldyck is the go-to, as well as on heavy AoE encounters in the raid.

[vestal wren]

oh ye, m+ is ma or zoldy iirc

[limber lion]

Yup

[lunar pewter]

sooo should i get a chest piece thats 13 ilvl higher or the quantum device on 220 ...

chest has crit haste

[limber lion]

You should sim it.

[final star]

[limber lion]

But probably the chest if you already have 220+ trinkets.

[lunar pewter]

No i have shriek and sludgefist trinkets on HC ^^

[limber lion]

Alright, just sim yourself.

[lunar pewter]

alrighty 🙂

the hc trinket from sire is also in the vault , just gonna sim it too

[limber lion]

Make sure to sim crit gems as well when simming IQD.

[lunar pewter]

it says chest piece but , my gut feeling says take the IQD

[limber lion]

What ilvl is the chest

[teal bloom]

Is grim codex any good in aoe? 😦

[lunar pewter]

226

and i have 213

[hollow escarp]

well yeah

big main stat increase

[limber lion]

Definitely take the chest then.

You can always farm for 220 items like IQD with Valor.

[lunar pewter]

okey , i guess bis stats also

yeah no thanks i did that cursed dungeon with my main like 30 times , it never drops xD

[heavy trail]

so weird to play a rogue with no shadowmeld lol

[hollow escarp]

I know

I want cross faction so I can be alliance again

[strange onyx]

go to stats on doomblade leggo for mut rogue? Other than the classic "sim it"

[heavy trail]

i made up a BE here so I can perhaps play with some of the fellers here

[limber lion]

Crit/Haste

[heavy trail]

and my brother's son and such it's just weird i guess I will get used to it arcane torrent isn't too bad though

[strange onyx]

@limber lion Thanks my man

[hollow escarp]

BE is nice in single target with deeper strat

[limber lion]

[hollow escarp]

arcane torent in opener

[heavy trail]

The other pro is that my BE looks @)(# amazing even at 15 with his good looks and arrogance and such 🙂

[teal bloom]

I was so excited to open the vault because i managed to do 4 14s for the first time and got boots with shitty secondary stats and grim codex Sadge

[heavy trail]

Don't even need a mask transmog

[hollow escarp]

I got belt today so I only need 3 more items from vault for full 226

[gloomy knoll]

@tribal marlin like with ma opener you can get garret + rupture up right away

but doing it this way especially with bad crit rng

everything would be delayed if you held vendetta

[tribal marlin]

you Mut x2 if you get 2 or 3cp

[gloomy knoll]

yea so if you pop it earlier that's like

[tribal marlin]

I mean, at 3cp you still do SnD with actual opener, but in case you want to flag early

I guess you do Mut x2

[gloomy knoll]

1-4 gcd's not really doing much

if you don't then you risk not using your cd's until like double the duration you normally would

maybe you could mutx2 flag rupture

garret snd

[tribal marlin]

1cp snd during flag

kind sucks

[gloomy knoll]

yea is a wasted gcd

but you have to get snd up

for your opener

and the fight in general

[tribal marlin]

I'll do Mut > Flag > Snd > Vend > Mut > gar > Rupt

would be the best I think

[gloomy knoll]

it'd be mutx2 minimum into rupture

[tribal marlin]

like this

[gloomy knoll]

you'd garrote after snd

for energy return

[tribal marlin]

you get the energy from vendeta in that case

[gloomy knoll]

yea but there's literally no reason to delay the garrote

unless you'd overcap

is just free energy

[tribal marlin]

yeah then do Gar > Mut insteed

[gloomy knoll]

Mut > Flag > Snd > Vend / garret > Mut to 5/6 > Rupt

kinda desyncs vanish

also

[tribal marlin]

Thing is that, it sucks to apply Gar and Rupture during the first two global of your Vendetta

[gloomy knoll]

and that

it just doesn't seem good lol

[hard yarrow]

would you guys prefer Master Assasin or Subterfuge for M Sire prog? im running Zoldyck for that sweet execute already

[tribal marlin]

but ultimately, this mean you will not have to refresh theim before Vend end

[gloomy knoll]

master assasin

[tribal marlin]

so you "get back" these 2 global at the end of your vendetta

[gloomy knoll]

i don't usually refresh rupture

in my vendetta

only garret

[tribal marlin]

Well you should

[gloomy knoll]

why

does it snapshot the 30%?

[tribal marlin]

I mean if it's about to drop

[gloomy knoll]

it doesn't drop lol

[tribal marlin]

then it's fine

[jovial spear]

What missives should I get for the legendary?

[gloomy knoll]

crit haste

[jovial spear]

kk, ty

[gloomy knoll]

yea iuno

that crit would really have to be worth some jazz

cuz this just seems bad

but who knows sin is weird sometimes

[tribal marlin]

but usually if you do standards opener

and your rupt is 4cp as 6th global

then it's about to drop at the end of your vendetta

[gloomy knoll]

why would you rupture on 4

[tribal marlin]

Mut > Snd > Mut > Gar > Flag (Vend) > Rupt

that's what you usually do

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[tribal marlin]

then if mut generate only 3 cp, your rupt is a 4cp rupt

[gloomy knoll]

no

you would mutilate again

after the garret

to get to 6 lol

[tribal marlin]

what no you need that rupture ticking afap

if you don't you will be sitting here with no energy and no bleed up waiting for that mutilate

[gloomy knoll]

👀 @balmy condor is this true

you have garret up

and i belf after i garret anyways

if i'm playin deeper

[tribal marlin]

well tbh I'm not sure that it's matter anyway

it's in the opener category

but yeah as a be well you don't care

but you are already waiting a couple of sec to get that garrote without lust, if you gotta mut again before rupt, you are waiting another couple a sec

[balmy condor]

is what true

this better not be some dumb shit bait

[gloomy knoll]

if i mut > snd > mut and land on 3 garret to 4 would i flag vend rupture there

or mut again after the garret to get to 6

and then flag vendetta rupture

[tribal marlin]

I said you should rupture at 4 in the opener when no rupt are ticking yet

[gloomy knoll]

and i'm curious which is corret

[tribal marlin]

but really, it's sorta irellevant unless we are looking at idk

45sec sims

[gloomy knoll]

well nah optimized openers are always important

[balmy condor]

flagellation,if=!stealthed.rogue&(cooldown.vendetta.remains<3&effective_combo_points>=4&target.time_to_die>10|debuff.vendetta.up|fight_remains<24)

[gloomy knoll]

imo

[hollow escarp]

so LFR Shriekwing blasters?

[gloomy knoll]

huh

i don't understand any of that whispyr

xD

[balmy condor]

flag on 4

[gloomy knoll]

and then rupture on 4?

[tribal marlin]

hahaha that's really not the kind of stuff i'm doing 😄

[slender berry]

yes rupture on 4 in that case

[gloomy knoll]

huh

[balmy condor]

oh I see the question

uh

[gloomy knoll]

isn't that just energy inneficient

[lavish grove]

Guys, Shadowgrasp totem just hit it on cooldown? (Any difference between AOE and Single Target usage?)

nvm rechecked pins so should just use on cd i guess

• Trinkets are not affected by Vendetta, shiv, master assassin (both), or any other spec mechanics. No need to hold damage trinkets for anything.

[hollow escarp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2398&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&difficulty=1

[balmy condor]

I mean I don't think the bot would finish at 4

but probably fine

[gloomy knoll]

so optimally youd

[tribal marlin]

hahaha dude i'm not judging I promess !

[gloomy knoll]

garret > mut to 6

and then do flag vendetta rupture jazz

?

[hollow escarp]

I'm competing in the leagues I can

[hollow talon]

is not casting slice and dice a thing or am i missing something

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9am3B16dG7Jb2CRM#fight=27&type=auras&source=8

this guy didnt get slice and dice once the whole kill?

[balmy condor]

precast

[hollow talon]

oh ok

lol

[hollow escarp]

using yellow mobs

[gloomy knoll]

prob mfd cheese

[hollow escarp]

you can do that on Huntsman

with rats on the right of the room

[gloomy knoll]

oh really?

[hollow escarp]

yep

[gloomy knoll]

lul

[hollow talon]

how is he doing it on sludge?

MFD slice, change talent back?

[hollow escarp]

mobs from left room

on sludge skip instance

[hollow talon]

oh okay that makes sense

[limber lion]

Hitting some yellow mobs somewhere and getting summoned is an option as well

[hollow talon]

sheesh didnt know people did that lol

[low girder]

he's also necro so i found out earlier from oxi's log occassionally it just won't pick up the initial SBS if you're too fast

[gloomy knoll]

in a world where people get 10 pi's

you gotta level the playing field

[hollow talon]

facts

[gloomy knoll]

[tribal marlin]

@hollow escarp 45sec simulations can be relevant in other case than such shenanigans. Most notably, if at anypoint your encounter is down to you bursting a single Add (or wipe) you might want to know if, assuming X and Y conditions (like having this CD up and This and using the pot, but without lust and while keeping optimal 5mn talents) then how much damage can you pull out in 45sec

[gloomy knoll]

i'm still proud of my honest no pi no cjheese rank 1's though

[low girder]

he def didn't do that though lol

[gloomy knoll]

way more proud than if i woulda got pi

[limber lion]

On which difficulty

[gloomy knoll]

mythic

i'm esrafil

[hollow talon]

doing a reclear this week almost did like 7.1 as outlaw on sludge but i think i can easily do more as ass

[limber lion]

Pog

[low girder]

he's r2 on sire atm

[gloomy knoll]

only non pi top 10 on arti

take that you dishonest bois

[low girder]

i was looking over logs for the talents again and watching all the people take HB

[hollow talon]

are you venthyr?

[gloomy knoll]

yuh

[balmy condor]

@gloomy knoll you would rup on 4

[hollow escarp]

there are 2 now

[gloomy knoll]

D:

[hollow talon]

im thinking about switching to venthyr tbh

can you link your armory or raiderio

[limber lion]

I got r1 on Sire and now I'm r6. Welp.

[gloomy knoll]

ty whispyr sensei

[hollow talon]

i wanna see some good sin gears

[gloomy knoll]

uh sure

[low girder]

prog kill though, still time

[hollow talon]

ty

[gloomy knoll]

https://raider.io/characters/us/zuljin/Esrafil it's in my aoe set tho

[hollow talon]

my 2nd stats are all kinda sus cause i only played outlaw this xpac

[limber lion]

We didn't even reclear the whole instance last week. Only cleared up to Sludge lol

[balmy condor]

he said good sin gear

[low girder]

oof lol

that'll prolly be us too

[gloomy knoll]

hey i got good sin gear xd

just no daggers

[hollow escarp]

have you tried looting them?

[balmy condor]

no sire helm

[hollow talon]

[balmy condor]

bruh

[gloomy knoll]

yes

[balmy condor]

this dude trolling

[hollow escarp]

lmao

[gloomy knoll]

THIS WEEK I GET DAGGIES

I CAN FEEL IT

[limber lion]

Imagine not having every 233 item.

[hollow escarp]

rogues can get 230 ilvl right?

[hollow talon]

u gonna get one from sire

[hollow escarp]

because 2 weapons

[hollow talon]

and another from vaullt

[tribal marlin]

I'm really less and less into parsing and shit like this tbh

[limber lion]

229

[hollow escarp]

so only plate can get 230?

[gloomy knoll]

i love parsing

[hollow talon]

my sin set is so bad i have 20% vers

[gloomy knoll]

as long as you don't int the raid or do dumb shit and parse within acceptable bounds

[hollow escarp]

I don't even have that much vers with full vers gear

[gloomy knoll]

i find it makes raid more enjoyable for me

[tribal marlin]

I'm not judging you guys, have fun as you wish to !!
But yeah, it's like there are soooo many factors (in WoW parsing area) that are not depending on your own skills that, I really feel no interest into this, and rather put focus into other area where your skills really matter the most

[hollow talon]

this is what happens when u play outlaw whole patch

[gloomy knoll]

i mean there's a lot of rng yea

but skill is definitely important

[tribal marlin]

I mean idk man

[hollow escarp]

yeah, getting a good parse doesn't deny the fact that you did something good

it's just that if you get lucky enough on top of that

[hollow talon]

i mean after you get your prog kills in and start reclearing

parsing is a good goal to have

[hollow escarp]

unless you play twisted appendage

[stiff thicket]

I'm 218ilvl and I down the bosses twice more than your time boys... How can I log properly with that

[gloomy knoll]

yea parsing is for reclear

prog is prog

[hollow talon]

i have the #1 maw rattle sludgefist parse

[hollow escarp]

that's why we can't use CDs on 7th sun king kill?

[gloomy knoll]

depending on fight timers you just can't compete for high ranks you can still get really good scores but rank 1 on slow kills is basically impossible

[tribal marlin]

if by skill you mean executing your dps rotation correctly I disagree. The skill cap is extremely low compare to, basically everything in the gaming environnement.

If by skill you mean cheesing mechanics and being imaginative into how you can maximise at best your throughput manipulating the encounter for it. Then yes, that's a higher layer of skills requiert, but that's not something I enjoy doing (neither my guildmates)

[stiff thicket]

Yeah so I refer to ilvl parses

[gloomy knoll]

it's not cheese for me it's more about perfectly tailoring and hyper optimizing my character for a specific fight type, extensive simming, and then executing everything properly and getting a rank 1 (mostly on reclear)

and that's what i find fun

[tribal marlin]

So my opinion as I said, do not take it as a personnal attack, you guys are enjoying the game your way and I'm totally fine with it :D. I just have a different approach of the game 🙂

[gloomy knoll]

but i'm not saying any1 else should find that fun

is game

play how u want to play 😄

[hollow escarp]

blue parse club

[dark crag]

Blue? Pathetic

[tribal marlin]

Basically, you could hit a dummy and it would be the same right ? So now let's imagine that Warcraftlog add a brand new category in their ranking : Dummy parses

let's go, I mean why not

no buff

[dark crag]

Cool kids parse grey

[tribal marlin]

just rotation and gear and optimisation of your gameplay, why not

Well I ensure my friend that you'll be very very quickly bored of it

[jovial spear]

How can I sim if its worth upgrading a piece of gear with Valor, cant seem to get the "new" values to work..

[hollow escarp]

does this count?

[balmy condor]

droptimizer at 220

[gloomy knoll]

good thing mythic bosses arent dummies xd

[tribal marlin]

because you'll simply reach the skill cap needed for it very fast, and get down to only rng factors.

[jovial spear]

Thanks!

[dark crag]

You win this round

[hollow escarp]

I didn't even pay for that

[gloomy knoll]

imo though parsing while not doing shit, doing giga cheese, or having the raid cater to you

isn't fun or skillful

it's only fun if you do it all while still being an active member of the raid and playing the fight correctly

[tulip nacelle]

How about my CE N'Zoth kill where I DCed after mythic phase and they killed it without me

[tribal marlin]

But yeah, I definitely find much much more entertaining in competitive game, when it comes to ranking than I find in wow, Progression race apart of course

https://i.imgur.com/C03crOT.png

1/1

I may not have been the best, but I was the first hehe

[gloomy knoll]

lmao

[tribal marlin]

Yeah but that's the all point of it ! What's the point on trying to achieve a good rank, when you know for sure that it cannot happen unless you are actively ignoring mechanics as much as you can, and if you can't well your parse is basically skrew, cya next week

[gloomy knoll]

you can do it without ignoring mechanics

if you do it while ignoring mechanics it don't count imo

anybody can hit a target dummy

is like getting rank 1 on sire

[tribal marlin]

yeah I mean you can try to do the best dps possible while still doing the encounter correctly

[gloomy knoll]

you still gotta play the fight perfectly

not like you just get to afk hit the boss

[honest karma]

Best way to get parses is by ignoring atleast some machanics?

[tribal marlin]

but you will not get a good rank, unless the RNG turns out such that you basically "ignored" the mechanics, because the boss ignored you

[gloomy knoll]

that's cap

i got rank 1 on sire and i didn't ignore any mechanics lol, didn't get a bop either

[tribal marlin]

At least if you look at early parses

[gloomy knoll]

yea some bosses you're not gonna parse if you get selected

with every mechanic

that's just the nature of rng

but you just go againe

[tribal marlin]

you can still find some goods because early on the prog, you basically cannot ignore the mechanics

yeah but like, there are some other factors

[gloomy knoll]

there's tons of factors yea

[tribal marlin]

like that mfin ranged who drop his portals 20y away from the tag during Xymog

to stay a couple more sec casting

and yeah, it doesn't matter

[gloomy knoll]

but saying it's all either you fuck your raid and cheese / ignore mechanics or just get super lucky

is 100% cap

sure you can get rank 1's being a selfish boi and having a raid cater to you but what's the point

[tribal marlin]

it doesn't matter for like 95% of the portals, but it DOES matter for ONE of theim

[honest karma]

He prolly got a bit better parse tho

[tribal marlin]

the one that you place right before the Annhinlation + seed combo

and if that portal is not at the correct place

[gloomy knoll]

and that's not honest parsing

[tribal marlin]

you wipe, or people die

[gloomy knoll]

you don't int your raid to parse

that's just being an asshole

[honest karma]

Well there is alot of those who do that

[gloomy knoll]

and they're assholes

[honest karma]

And brag with the parse, cause the boss died and they parsed the highest, so they are the best

[gloomy knoll]

if you repeatedly wipe your raid because you're trying to tunnel damage you should be benched

on god

[tribal marlin]

pretty sure they are all inting, and you don't really know it because basically the seed guy just sacrifice theimself into the void and you still kill the boss because it's 6 month in

but, that's not how I (we) like to play bosses, we like to make it fast, quick, deathless

here we go

[gloomy knoll]

isn't part of making a boss quick doing more damage though

[honest karma]

Yes true, but if Ur struggling to have a full raid group even with those u cant really afford benching them

[gloomy knoll]

that's a raid leader / recruiter problem

cuz i'd take a blue parser

over a purple parser

if the purple dude is monki

[honest karma]

Yes it is, and parsing is the biggest reason that even is a problem

[gloomy knoll]

and if it's that big of an issue for your raid

you can always private log

until you weed out the monkis

and then when you recruit people

[tribal marlin]

haha hopefully it's not that of an issue in my guild

[gloomy knoll]

lay the foundation for a better environment

like hey we don't do parse monkying here

[tribal marlin]

but it is in everyone's guild

just not everyone are aware of it

[gloomy knoll]

i understand people like to parse and if you can do that within the confines of your raid assignments and fight mechanics sure

but if you wipe the raid tunneling or do dumb shit

we will bench you or fail your trial

[tribal marlin]

because people that are aware of it, are people who litterally don't care about the dps and are more focus on what is happening around theim, and they see

If you ever apply into a < rank 100 guild

I can tell you dude, these officer, some of these players they see you

they see what you do 😄

[gloomy knoll]

most hof recruiters know how to analyze logs yea

but also

[honest karma]

It really sucks that alot of ppl atm are more focused on getting PI than they are doing mechanics

[gloomy knoll]

aint no dps getting into a hof guild

without at least purple logs

because you not go push hof if you can't do damage

and that's just facts

[hollow escarp]

Had one guy like that on sun King and council.

Ele sham

[honest karma]

Ouff we have had 3 in the guild like that, Even wanting hero when they got the most out of it

[gloomy knoll]

[hollow escarp]

Also monk asking for PI on council lol

[gloomy knoll]

hey can we hero sunking on pull

while all of you hold your cd's

thx

[tribal marlin]

Tbh, as long as our players don't screw up pulls, or make people die, we don't really care about theim padding in farm

[honest karma]

Hahaha rip

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[honest karma]

Yeha padding os fine if u dont fuck over the pull for it

[gloomy knoll]

imo parsing mostly has its place in reclear

[tribal marlin]

but if you are consistently padding, and one day it cost a pull, a signle a wipe, some of us will instantly jump on you 😄

[gloomy knoll]

it's really not worth even trying

in prog

because 9/10 times

it's just gonna hurt prog

[keen cairn]

The good players can do dps and mechanics. HoF know exactly what mechanics can be cheeses to an amount that doesn't throw the raid behind and they are able to minmax even while doing mechanics

[tribal marlin]

I meant, in farm

yeah exactly even in the best guilds

like limit etc...

they full padding

sometime they went full gorilla mode hahaha

[honest karma]

We just hit 5 /10 and we struggled abit in xymox cause ppl got hit by ghost, cause they needed that one extra global before they ran

[gloomy knoll]

ghosts generally are more about baiting in the correct spot

than running early

[hollow escarp]

Yep

[gloomy knoll]

if you bait in the wrong spot doesn't matter how fast you run

you still finna get mc'd

[tribal marlin]

Are you cloaking if you get that first ghost ^^ ?

[hollow escarp]

No

[gloomy knoll]

for a long time i wasn't

because i cloaked first set of traps

[tribal marlin]

good boi

[gloomy knoll]

but we have 2 warrior trials rn

[low girder]

imagine being able to cloak ghosts

[hollow escarp]

Only overlap ghost with succ

[gloomy knoll]

so i cloak ghosts cuz they got spell reflect

[honest karma]

If i can clear some traps i want to at times

[misty holly]

Is there a thing where people roll into a raid with super low item level to try and get orange parses for that bracket?

[honest karma]

But usually saves it for when i gotta do seed asweel

[gloomy knoll]

twink parsing prob not a thing

could be tho

who knows

some guy might be the 200 ilvl god

[hollow escarp]

I already got 91 parse on xymox, fine with that for a while. No reason to pad

[misty holly]

It is now! next week Im optimizing 140 ilevel mythic CN

[tulip nacelle]

ilvl parsing is usually just taking off one piece

[hollow escarp]

Or playing with teleport cloak

[stiff thicket]

Yeah I did at least on heroic. And for MM that is my aim anyway because I can't equal 226 ilvl

[honest karma]

Its wierd seeing guys flex with the 100 log tho, with 3 ppl in that ilvl bracket 😂

[stiff thicket]

There are so many less boys 226 than 218 anyway

So of course you're gonna get 100% global with 226 ilvl

[tribal marlin]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LiveFearlessIvorybackedwoodswallow-size_restricted.gif
This is a skilled player

https://i.imgur.com/QwochMj.png
This is just meh

If you're a skilled player that do shit dps, that sucks but we can work on it

[gloomy knoll]

and good players do both

[tribal marlin]

If you are a dumb player that do good dps, it's harder to undumb you ^^

[limber lion]

Hmm

[gloomy knoll]

if you can't do both top tier dps and mechanics then you not a skilled player imo

i.e. firedup

does mechanics

does dam

good player

[hollow escarp]

Not sure what to say about his rogue gameplay though

[tribal marlin]

things about these "godlike" players

It's not about how good they are at dealing with mechanics and doing damage

It's about how fast they can achieve that state when discovering an encounter

[gloomy knoll]

well yea that's what prog is

how quick can you adapt to this fight an execute it properly

but you still have to be able to reach that state

[tribal marlin]

yes it's all about that

[gloomy knoll]

you never gonna be the best if you can't put up dam

not saying rank 1's are even remotely important to being a good player

[vestal wren]

i think you focus on the wrong vector

[gloomy knoll]

but if you not purple logging

then you just not doing enough dam in most cases

[tribal marlin]

what do you mean fuu

[hollow escarp]

Wrong

[limber lion]

Getting good results consistently is key to being a "good player".

[hollow escarp]

You can be rank 10 with gray log

[gloomy knoll]

true

[vestal wren]

while its relevant how fast somone picks up a encounter or how much output he does
the most important metric esp. for wfr is consistency

[gloomy knoll]

this applies when there's more pulls

and sample sizes

[limber lion]

Exactly.

[gloomy knoll]

if you're one of the first people to clear a boss

then it don't matter what you do if you can kill the boss

but if you killing the boss before every1 else in the game

[tribal marlin]

yeah you are very right here, and consistency is also a key factor in a lot of competitive game

[gloomy knoll]

then you're meeting tight damage checks

so you probably playing your class correctly

and don't have to worry about that lol

[vestal wren]

a lot of the assumed best players in esports are not the best in their role

but can consistently peform

[tribal marlin]

Like I can do some insane flicks and big montage plays in Valorant, yet i'm a stupid gold player because i'm not consistant enough

[gloomy knoll]

that too

consistency is also huge

do you want the guy who dies 9/10 times but go's big ham sandwich that 1 time

or the guy who go's medium ham sandwich 10/10 times

[hollow escarp]

That 9/10 guy kills the mood for the entire raid

[vestal wren]

just one example, the team "moscow 5" in league of legends had no outstanding player in any of their role but was assumed the best team for the split and (if they didn't do a big mistake) would probably end up as world champion

[gloomy knoll]

god i hated them so much

[tribal marlin]

Is it the same guys than the old M5 ?

[gloomy knoll]

MY BOY DYRONE

IN THE TOP LANE

DEALING WITH SHYV

[vestal wren]

i talk about the old team ^^

history

[tribal marlin]

oh ok yeah

they were just destroying everything single tornament

was insane

[gloomy knoll]

iuno why

people kept letting them play friggin shyvana

straight stupid imo

[vestal wren]

just wanted to make a point that none of their players had the values you would say defines a "execlent player"

[tribal marlin]

That's true in a lot of game yeah

[gloomy knoll]

yea

there's tons of factors to success

[tribal marlin]

In WoW it's even reflecting in the meta

[vestal wren]

also wow in a sense already does not require you to adept quickly

[tribal marlin]

like why assassination is better than subtelty, it's just about consistency

[gloomy knoll]

nah that's more about being 700 dps behind in tuning

[vestal wren]

you have 1h of practice on each fight on beta, then will run each fight multiple times on normal/heroic during the fist week. Even if you need more attempts to learn the fight you should be fine with this amount of practice

[gloomy knoll]

this is true

and you get a lot of abilities laid on in the journal

you don't really go in blind at all lol

[vestal wren]

mythic is not re-learning the fight

[gloomy knoll]

if you choose not to

[vestal wren]

most of mythic is just "dealing with one additional mechanic"

[tribal marlin]

Or dealing correctly with heroic mechanics, that mechanics you did not understand and it wasn't punished that OS you in mythic

hahaha

[gloomy knoll]

yea

wow is like

a hard but also super easy game

[tribal marlin]

pretty sure that's the story of a damn lot of guild

[gloomy knoll]

it's really a unique beast lol

[vestal wren]

i mean yes

but when i did raid testing in one tier

the raid was basically smooth sailing

because on raid testing mechanics often are more deathly

[gloomy knoll]

true

[vestal wren]

so you are required to learn them

[gloomy knoll]

i did huntsman raid testing

that shit was so hard lmao

[vestal wren]

the diffrence often is that you learn the encounter on raid testing more often than on live

what makes normal/heroic and often parts of mytic a joke

the problem just comes from your raid members not doing this

[gloomy knoll]

yea in all my years of raiding

which isn't a lot

the biggest thing i've noticed that will inflate your wipe counter is just people going in blind

[vestal wren]

then higher you go then more common it is for guilds to spend all time they get on a fight before they go into mythic

[tribal marlin]

ofc dude, the "competitive" aspect of the "race to HoF" or "race to top 100" if I can call it this way

[vestal wren]

people are not only better because of their skill but often because of practice

[tribal marlin]

it comes down to really simple things

like people watching video

like not quickly watch the video, but soaking the informations

[gloomy knoll]

yea is same reason

top key teams have a leg up

they did every key 1000 times in beta

[vestal wren]

yes but this plays into the same spiral of information

[gloomy knoll]

before the game even went live lol

[tribal marlin]

people looking at kill log, trying to sync their cooldown with the little info they had on the boss before even starting the prog

[vestal wren]

if you know the fight because you played it, its easier to see what the group is doing

[gloomy knoll]

while other players maybe do a couple beta keys here and there and call it a day

[honest heath]

Is there much of a performance difference with sin and outlaw in m+ if I plan to try to push keys 15 to 20?

[vestal wren]

and therefore you will see what differs in execution

[gloomy knoll]

not too much

outlaw lil mo dam

[tribal marlin]

if all your raid member are doing this, and if you raid 5 days a week, it's easy top 100

[vestal wren]

if you have never seen the fight, watching a video is often to much information

[gloomy knoll]

overall

well that an everyone learns differently

[vestal wren]

nobody went so far as to release position specific videos that only focus what it relevant for you

[honest heath]

Ah ok. I have not really liked the feel of outlaw in it's current state is why I'm asking. I'm missing a legendary still but I don't think that would change it much

[gloomy knoll]

some might absorb 30% from a video and 300% in person

others might absorb 90% from a video

and only need that 10% in person

[vestal wren]

if you watch a "boss explenation video" you get information about tank, heal, ranged and melee dps mechanics that are often more or less irrelevant to you

[gloomy knoll]

yea i always got annoyed by that

in fatboss videos

lol

[tribal marlin]

usually we have multiple person in our roster that look out a lot of video during a specific boss progression. They isolate the key moment before, during and after we progressed it

the more people do this, the faster you get down the boss

[vestal wren]

a study did show that ~20% of what a teacher presents will stick

a video is kinda similar

[tribal marlin]

Just gotta make sure that this 20% are the most important 20% 😄

[hollow escarp]

bait titles

[vestal wren]

attention span is not 30+mins

rather ~10 min max

[vestal wren]

i assume they will just give us smoke bomb and call it a day

it sounds like the lowest effort for them

[tribal marlin]

what is that bait thing

[hollow escarp]

that always happens to me fuu when it comes to boss videos, they make no sense unless I pull the boss a few times

the only exception was Xymox where I was trial and watched Max's video on it

but it's not a hard boss to understand

[tribal marlin]

they gave rogue a lot of attention recently, i'm not sure they want it to have a raid CD

[hollow escarp]

it was just an example from Ion

[tribal marlin]

rather being a strong output class with a lot of tankiness and consistency

[hollow escarp]

that rogue brings nothing right now

and there are not many melee in raid

[sturdy mesa]

Just give us back smokebomb as baseline and give it the raid wide 20% dmg reduction it used to have problem solved

[misty holly]

numbing poison would work on raid boss maybe

[vestal wren]

it was mentioned in the interview yesterday

[hollow escarp]

well, Ion has a rogue in his guild, the guy probably complained a bit

[tribal marlin]

how that's interesting

[honest heath]

also, I looked in pins and say for m+ to use Zold or MA. I'm guessing each has it's good uses but should I Just craft MA if I plan to dabble in the other 2 specs...even if MA is getting changed in 9.1? Just not sure if I want to invest into MA if it may not be used next patch.

[vestal wren]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/preach-shadowlands-interview-with-ion-hazzikostas-on-april-27th-2021-liveblog-322060

^ the writeup

[hollow escarp]

so far MA is only changed in pvp, no pve nerfs yet

[tribal marlin]

the preach one ?

[vestal wren]

yes

[hollow escarp]

Preach asked "smoke bomb back?"

Ion replied "something like that"

[tribal marlin]

gonna listen to it

[sturdy mesa]

pog that's all we need and we gucci

[vestal wren]

the interview reflects a lot of what limit max says tbh

[tribal marlin]

oh shit do I have to listen to Ion breathing into the mic

for the whole thing ?

[hollow escarp]

no

it will get fixed

[tribal marlin]

ok good

[vestal wren]

you can just read the article ^^

[sturdy mesa]

Mikihisa ofc, ion heavy breathing into the mic is the best part

[warm parcel]

[vestal wren]

asmr loop of ion breathing into mic?

[tribal marlin]

"a couple weeks"

mean 9.1 in 2 weeks right ? I mean, litterally

[vestal wren]

why do you think that 9.1 will be in 2 weeks?

[hollow escarp]

Ion is a memer

[tribal marlin]

ion said "we have 9.1 coming in in a couple of weeks"

a couple = 2 so 2 weeks

[hollow escarp]

100% sarcasm

confirming they are far behind

he will touch on it at the end of the interview

[vestal wren]

i think a "couple of weeks" says as much as "soon"

could be 2 or could be 8 weeks

also keep in mind that 9.1 does not mean raid

[ocean zodiac]

btw on the interview, was he talking about 9.1 9.2 or just in general?

[hollow escarp]

9.2 mostly

[hazy crater]

if you actually listen he says "I would prefer to be sitting here announcing that chains of domination is coming out in just a couple of weeks"

[hollow escarp]

general stuff of the future of the expac

[vestal wren]

9.1 possibly releases before the raid

[tribal marlin]

"We're looking at something like Manapearls from Nazjatar"

[ocean zodiac]

9.1 is looking good for rogues either way

[hollow escarp]

yep

[vestal wren]

nazjatar was great

[ocean zodiac]

but just get that AMZ nerfed tho

[hazy crater]

but that could be hard to understand unless you are pretty good at english

[tribal marlin]

that's why i'm looking at the interview @vestal wren xD

[ocean zodiac]

that would be the biggest buff to rogues

[sturdy mesa]

Watch limit stack assa rogues B-)

[tribal marlin]

we can smell the fear out this guy when he mentioned manapearls

[vestal wren]

i think the sad true is, we don't even know when the raid is comming out

[hollow escarp]

I don't mind, I wanna get CE this tier

[vestal wren]

and blizz and preach seemingly forgot about the mega dungeon

[tribal marlin]

Nazjatar is one if not the one of my favourite zone/patch I think

I even enjoyed the crazy manapearl grind (yes I did it) just because the zone was so cool

[vestal wren]

i didn't like the mana pearl grind

[ocean zodiac]

btw off topic, but do you think applying to guilds 1 month before raid drop is fine or should I do it sooner?

[vestal wren]

but i thought it was interesting to have a catchup system with mana pearls

[hollow escarp]

sooner so you can trial on farm

[vestal wren]

^

sooner is usually better

[hollow escarp]

like now is a good time imo

[ocean zodiac]

already finished CE a couple of weeks ago but I have no exp with this stuff sooo

[ocean zodiac]

yeah thats what im thinking too

[warm parcel]

It totally depends on guild

[hollow escarp]

but I preferred to get into a progressing guild close to my progression

[warm parcel]

Some wanna see trials on proge

Some, like when I joined, dont have trials

[tribal marlin]

I mean I didn't too, and I went very hard on it, basically having all of my benthic maxed out before we even reached Azshara, but I wouldn't have found the motivation to do the grind if the zone wasn't as good as it was

[hollow escarp]

let's be real, guilds that prog now are not that competitive

[vestal wren]

the issue with benthic was that you could send gear from alts

[hollow escarp]

I'm in one btw

[vestal wren]

making farming on multiple chars very efficient

[warm parcel]

My point is it can honestly be anything

[tribal marlin]

ok so maw touched gear = benthic

[warm parcel]

I wouldnt bunch all guilds under "trial now"

[tribal marlin]

= crazy grind

[warm parcel]

Maybe more likely sure

[vestal wren]

i agree with weaks point, there is no "norm" but if you want to get rooted in a guild its better to join sooner

overall, if you don't enjoy your raid group its easier to just switch

[warm parcel]

Thats tru too

Getting to know folks is good

[hollow escarp]

it's also easier to drop the trial yourself if the guild's atmosphere is trash

like if they are toxic and not fun to play with on farm

can you imagine prog

I usually check raider streams to investigate that

[ocean zodiac]

my guild rn is amazing social wise, but I wanna climb the ranks so I think im going to apply to some

[warm parcel]

Then go for it

[hollow escarp]

there are people in my guild that are gonna leave once we get CE, they already announced it

[vestal wren]

i was in a guild that would scream at people on the first whipe on mythic on a new boss because they made mistakes

only for one raid tho 😛

we also kinda destroyed the guild, people seemingly did leave too when we talked publicly about how toxic this is and that this is not acceptable

[ocean zodiac]

a bit of a cringe question but do you think I can apply to guilds around rank 150 world? decent logs and very quick to pick mechanics but I lack exp from previous tiers

[hollow escarp]

my GM is probably reading this chat right now

[warm parcel]

Again Id say Idno

[vestal wren]

just try, there is no "golden rule" to get into a guild

[balmy condor]

Hi kojack gm he is the good player very solid 10/10 no bench he do good work very cheap

[warm parcel]

Logs help but it can be just luck of the draw

[balmy condor]

[ocean zodiac]

yeah for sure guess I will just try my luck and test the waters

[hollow escarp]

it's also not a big deal to get declined either

[warm parcel]

O ye

Good players get declined too

Some dont like their personality

Maybe no rog spot

Maybe your availability isnt quite enough

[ocean zodiac]

I was hoping the public perception on rogues would change a bit for next tier, so I can get into a better guild

[vestal wren]

maybe your commitment to the game is not enough (not allstar top 3?)

there are many reasons you can get declined

[ocean zodiac]

Because I dont see many guilds taking a rogue over a dk with current tuning

[warm parcel]

Public perception is an ass

[royal lantern]

tbf, we had 1guy like that once, i asked him what guild he was joining and sended the stream clip his new gm

they didnt take him

[hollow escarp]

one of my recent declines was strictly because they were progging SLG and assa is not the best there so it would have been a waste of time for both sides in a way

[warm parcel]

O ye one piece of advice

Never burn bridges

[royal lantern]

what does that mean

for non-english peeps

[hollow escarp]

don't /gquit during raid

[vestal wren]

don't be an ass

[hollow escarp]

like I did in Antorus

[vestal wren]

tbh i only quite a guild once

[ocean zodiac]

should I just give notice to my officer team rn that im thinking of finding another guild? or after I apply to some

[royal lantern]

i did a ragequit midraid ONCE

[vestal wren]

and that was when they did start benching random people because they got hit by raid mechanics

[ocean zodiac]

Im guessing the guilds I will apply to will prolly ask for vouches

[royal lantern]

and left the guild 2weeks later

[warm parcel]

Again depends :D

[sonic schooner]

I went through 5 guild since beginning of SL

[keen cairn]

Always let them know

[sonic schooner]

😔

[warm parcel]

Id try and leave peacfully

[royal lantern]

CAN

SOMONE EXPLAIN ME

[warm parcel]

Longer notices are always better

[royal lantern]

WHY I NOW GET WEAPONS ALL THE TIME?

[hollow escarp]

if you can still do a weekly key with them, the bridges are fine 🙂

[royal lantern]

wtf

[keen cairn]

1.they find it out giga quick anyway.
2. It's like in RL, always leave in good terms, u never know

[warm parcel]

And depends on your relationship really

[royal lantern]

i went from expac launch until last week with no 226 weapons

now i have 2 week in a row one from my vault?

what the fuck

[vestal wren]

game wants you to play outlaw

giving you the weapons for it

[warm parcel]

Especially if you wanna get higher

Its more and more people knowing people

[royal lantern]

sin lootspec

[warm parcel]

So connections help

[royal lantern]

[warm parcel]

It aint much different from irl

[royal lantern]

beeing born rich also helps

the wow version of that is beeing a warlock

[vestal wren]

or mage

[ocean zodiac]

yeah man I gotcha

[hollow escarp]

I thought you meant buying boosts, which I don't think help you on the long run

I mean mythic boosts

[warm parcel]

I hopped guilds like 5 times in mop too

Every place I joined disbanded

It was bit

[royal lantern]

wanted too sim my new items, and opend paint and pressed strg+v in there

im not a smart man

🙂

[hollow escarp]

this kinda happened to me this patch lol

[warm parcel]

Ye

Then in soo I found my guild

[hollow escarp]

swapped to horde and first raid night we didn't had enough people

[royal lantern]

my longest time in a guild was 2tiers

and im not a active ghopper

[sonic schooner]

Every guild I join disband

I feel like I'm a bomb

[royal lantern]

its always: disband, they stop with mythic, or when i was alliance they went horde

[hollow escarp]

wouldn't say it's hopping if the guild stops raiding or disbands

[royal lantern]

so weird

[warm parcel]

Sure maybe hopping has a negative connotation

[royal lantern]

btw, im probably the only man in the world that went alliance->horde->alliance for RAIDING

[sonic schooner]

Well the last one I got kicked because I wasn't going well along with the GM's son

[hollow escarp]

the most cringe shit happened in my previous guild where the GM applied to a different guild after we killed Council and after that 5 other players decided to leave as well

like

you have people capable of getting CE, wait til the end of the tier

[warm parcel]

Well

Our guild leadership ditched us at xhul in hfc

[keen cairn]

Tbh, it's alot about having a good reputation in top 150 guilds.
I hopped from WR 1000 to WR 140 still HoF on Sire to a 98 WR.
Being polite and leaving a good impression is a big +

[warm parcel]

So we were done

[sonic schooner]

And now I'm looking for a guild and they all tell me the same shit "your logs are awsome but why you re not a dk or a priest "

[keen cairn]

And obviously knowing some ppl

[royal lantern]

mate, the guild i joined had people leave during daddynathrius progress when they where 2days into p3

like

[warm parcel]

Ye imo higher up is more knowing folks

[royal lantern]

what?

[warm parcel]

Not so much logs

[sonic schooner]

I think I'm gonna become a no guild battle pet master

[vestal wren]

it makes sense

you will know that people at a certain mark have the experience

[royal lantern]

"i did progress for the tier endboss and we are 98%done, LETS LEAVE AND FIND ANOTHER GUILD INSTEAD OF GETTING CE"

[warm parcel]

They may not even have xp

We have bfa babies too

[royal lantern]

wasnt that how it went with vaughn?

[warm parcel]

Just knowing they good

[royal lantern]

tbf, i stoped carring too much about rankings

CE in a reasonable time without fear of missing it out is all i need

[warm parcel]

[sonic schooner]

Tbh, I just want friends to play with and to progress with 😔

[vestal wren]

its a lot of times like this, if people find a guild with higher progress ~~ that boostes them~~, they are very quick to drop their current enviroment

[hollow escarp]

the only reason I didn't apply to 10/10 guilds is because I didn't wanted to get carried on my first CE on farm, would rather work on that achievement myself

even if there are a lot of 10/10 guilds that recruit players without CE

[royal lantern]

wut

[warm parcel]

Fair

[royal lantern]

i applied too almost all guild from 9/10-10/10 on 3 servers

and got declines/no answers from every single one

cus they said they only want people with 10/10

[warm parcel]

I hate when you get no response

Guilds should at least say no

[hollow escarp]

I never got replies on gdocs apps

but always on discord messages

[royal lantern]

ye same