assassination

[balmy condor]

I have no comment on it since I don't play outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I blame whoever told him to post it there in outlaw tbh

[shy dust]

its up there

with cttc being worth 50 dps

[balmy condor]

ey

we're here to learn

:)

[muted narwhal]

Maybe it's a gear difference, but when I sim on my friend's Rogue, Doomblade sims about 100 DPS higher than Dashing

Do you have to play Master Poisoner for Dashing?

[gusty mirage]

No MP sucks outside of pvp

[stoic needle]

No you never run master poisoner

[muted narwhal]

Hmm

[stoic needle]

The gap between the two gets smaller with better gear iirc

[muted narwhal]

Ah okay

[stoic needle]

The pins have them very close

[wind crypt]

Is the reason to open with Mutilate out of stealth just the combo points?

[stoic needle]

For me it's like 60dps or smth

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[wind crypt]

kk ty

[stoic needle]

Imagine not out of stealth

[wind crypt]

but for the poison application isn't it just always 100% 🤔

or is that command for all specs

[stoic needle]

You get a 100% chance to apply poison, but I'm 99% sure that's just with one hand. mut has a chance for an extra proc for more damage

[balmy condor]

mut hits twice

[stoic needle]

Or maybe they both proc

[wind crypt]

ah yea forgot the extra damage you get from applying poison to a target with poison makes sense

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor so uhm when sims have +- 20% fight duration, the robot knows the fight duration from the start or how does it work? if its 4min + venthyr hes gonna always allign vendetta+flag at 3~ ish?

[balmy condor]

yep

[drifting cloud]

thought so just wanted to make sure

[kind talon]

[cerulean nest]

anyone talent ST for tyrannical weeks?

[balmy condor]

no

[cerulean nest]

swagger

[silent stratus]

is zoldyck a must for any mythic progress or just sire?

[gloomy knoll]

zoldyck isn't a must for anything

[vagrant bison]

why do we even take poison bomb

[gloomy knoll]

it's nice for slg prog and denny prog but you don't need it

[vagrant bison]

in raids

it did 25k damage

in 6 minutes

[gloomy knoll]

it's our best ST talent

yea rng is a thing

lol

[silent stratus]

so prob better to upgrade doom to 235 than craft a 190 zold?

for raid mythic prog

(5/10)

[gloomy knoll]

if you're 5/10 i'd finish your doom first yea

[balmy condor]

cause it's passive

[stoic needle]

Because running ct makes you envenom less

That's probably more damage than PB itself

[silent stratus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VKhNGvLbYyXxDkJa/#fight=last&type=damage-done
all the tips to parse in sire hc and still did shitty

any big fuckup anyone can spot?

[compact pumice]

No monk!

[stoic needle]

Change your name

[silent stratus]

I understand you cant stand to not having used that perfect name before

[stoic needle]

You have 3 bm hunters

[silent stratus]

and ur trying to make me change it so u can copy

[stoic needle]

Your raid dps is abysmal and your kill time is long

[silent stratus]

well longer kill time doesnt necessarily means lower dps

if it fits in another vendetta window

[stoic needle]

You're using oil and phantom fire pots instead of agi

Well your kill time is 7min

Which is bad

[silent stratus]

I used vendetta at 6:25

the latest one

I think one big fuckup was using vendetta on a crimson

[stoic needle]

No?

I mean overall ur just not going to parse when 3 members of your raid are doing tank level dps

[kind talon]

Not true

[stoic needle]

Also I think you missed a shiv towards the end

[kind talon]

Osh

[silent stratus]

this whole concept of longer kill time = lower dps isn't always true. It believe on the class and the damage profile

[kind talon]

I parses on a 10 minute hc slg kill

[stoic needle]

It's also not untrue either

[silent stratus]

If you are a class that has a huge amount of burst on pull and not later, faster is the kill higher is the parse

[stoic needle]

The highest sire parses are like 5 mins

[stoic needle]

An 88 is not a very good parse(it's not bad either), I'm talking about 95+

[kind talon]

Yeah which I agree with BUT

He blue parses right

[silent stratus]

assa dps will spike back during vendetta, so if you kill during that burst, your dps will be higher = better parse

[stoic needle]

Yeah but you didn't do that here

You killed after your vendetta ended

[silent stratus]

Bc my latest vendetta was at 6:30 and it was a 7 min kill, the kill time isnt so bad

[kind talon]

Sec lemme check something

[silent stratus]

I dont think time affected my parse a lot there imo, or if it does I don't see how

[stoic needle]

You'd want it to be at 8:00+ for you to get another vendetta

[kind talon]

Casts on remornia

[stoic needle]

Oh yeah

[kind talon]

2 garrotes

[stoic needle]

You want to constantly keep her dotted

[kind talon]

This is definitely fucking you bro

[silent stratus]

I see

[kind talon]

You need to keep up garrote and rupture on sire and remornia

And then pump envenoms

[silent stratus]

Idk how you guys do sire, but the way we were doing I was struggling to keep bleeds on that

[kind talon]

CT to refresh

[restive bluff]

do u pre-pot on sludge mythic?

[stoic needle]

Do they not tank sire and remornia right next to eachother?

[restive bluff]

i mean all the raid

[kind talon]

So when you get down just immediately work on dotting up sire and remornia

[restive bluff]

we are wiping on about 1%

[kind talon]

Yes you prepot on sludge

[stoic needle]

Sludgefist is about people not dying before the last pillar

[kind talon]

On all dps check bosses there’s no reason not to prepot

[stoic needle]

That's why you're wiping

[compact pumice]

I thought you can’t prepot any more?

[silent stratus]

there werent a lot of moments where they were stacked

but def I could have done better

[kind talon]

Osh he’s wiping at 1% with people not potting that could make the difference

[stoic needle]

No

[kind talon]

Doesn’t matter, you can shadow step remornia to apply dota

[stoic needle]

People not dying is what makes the difference

[stoic needle]

They should always be next to eachother except when remornia is doing impale

[silent stratus]

would u like to have gar / rup 100% uptime on remornia?

[stoic needle]

That's a tank issue

[kind talon]

Yes

[restive bluff]

the reason we dont pre-pot is the alignment of the pot and last pillar

[kind talon]

Garrote less important

[restive bluff]

donno if it can compensate the 2 pot dmg

[kind talon]

You prepot with lust

[drifting cloud]

wtf are you talking about gwookey

[stoic needle]

You can't get 100% on remornia because she runs away to cast massacre and you should be running when she does impale

[drifting cloud]

please stop

[silent stratus]

I had 15% rup and 10% garrote on remornia

[compact pumice]

Isn’t that just potting? Why are you calling it prepot?

[kind talon]

Wdym ryler?

[drifting cloud]

man stop giving advice about fights you have no clue about

how you gonna put with lust if you are prepotting

[kind talon]

Ah true

[drifting cloud]

its still on cd

[kind talon]

Yeah mb

U right

[stoic needle]

Sludgefist kills are around 5:30 or so

[kind talon]

Sorry I’m tired but you want to pot with lust tho

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

Yeah bro ty

Really helpful

Give some advice next time

[drifting cloud]

well not my fault you can comprehend what a 5min cd is

[kind talon]

All I did was have a brain fart

I misspoke

You’re an asshole

[wind flare]

Hey guys, im new to rogue just hit 60 actually, what would you recommend the best starting level 60 spec is? hes my alt so he wont be raiding too much, but will be raiding as well as m+

[kind talon]

Difference in quality of being

[silent stratus]

honestly start with what u want to master asap

[slow marsh]

Best stats for AoE are crit/mastery correct?

[silent stratus]

all of them require time so it's good u start with the one ur most interested based on the content u wanna do

[kind talon]

You have no grounds with which to speak @drifting cloud unless you’re also giving advice / helping

[drifting cloud]

bro just take your adhd pills and stop posting 300 times a day

[stoic needle]

4th pillar and lust is around 4:15 so you should probably just save pot until then. Pot on pull and pot outside of lust after the 4th pillar will be less effective overall

Just focus on making sure everyone is alive at the 4th pillar

If someone dies before then just wipe

[kind talon]

Good comeback dude

[wind flare]

So if I am most interested in m+, should I play outlaw?

[stoic needle]

Assassination is fine in m+ but it's a little harder to play

[silent stratus]

Yes definitely

[compact pumice]

It’s possibly a good choice, but everyone in this channel is going to tell you assassination works in M+

[silent stratus]

ofc if u like it. until you dont reach 19+ now, u can finish them w/ any spec

[kind talon]

Both specs work, you can test them out and see which you prefer!

[drifting cloud]

if youre serious about m+ you should play outlaw

[silent stratus]

^ this

but if ur starting now, I'd argue ur not super competitive about m+

btw I looked at orange parses on sire hc, and they have ~25% uptime on remornia w/ garrote and rupture

idk how 100% is viable

[compact pumice]

It will be easier to get accepted in groups. You might have a few groups who expected you to be outlaw, but it’s not as bad as like being feral Druid when they expected a boomkin.

[kind talon]

You can’t have 100%

Need to look at p2

Remornia isn’t out p1 p3

[wind flare]

is Venthyr outlaw playable? xD

[silent stratus]

I'd argue better going for necro bc assa necro > venthyr outlaw

[kind talon]

You would like to have 100% uptime but not feasible

So you try

Is what I meant

[silent stratus]

ok, whats a good benchmark to have?

[stoic needle]

Well that also counts phase 3 where remornia can't be dotted

[compact pumice]

Yes. I mean NL is a lot better in AOE but it’s not like you’re bad. Flag is more of a ST cooldown, so it helps on prides and whatnot

[kind talon]

And phase one @stoic needle

[silent stratus]

True, when I filtered out is ~58%

for orange parses

[stoic needle]

You need to get your tanks to position them properly, not letting people cleave is a dps loss for sure

[compact pumice]

With all the impales and ravage remornia is unreachable you reup dots a lot so not surprising

[stoic needle]

I try to dot her right before ravage and impale

[silent stratus]

do you rup/gar the crimson too?

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

tf is going in here, why are people being toxic

[stoic needle]

Well this is the poison spec channel

[kind talon]

someone asked if u prepot sludge

[compact pumice]

[kind talon]

and i pepega brained and said yes

because ppl in my guild say battle pot / prepot synonymously in my guild

[silent stratus]

so ur able to gar/rupture all the 2 melee adds?

[gusty mirage]

[silent stratus]

usually if I gar one, the time I have gar back, the other one is almost dead

[stoic needle]

They usually die very fast, I just put low cp ruptures on them

[silent stratus]

and does not have ~12 TTD for sure

[kind talon]

i later said u "prepot with lust"

but ye

[stoic needle]

Like 2-3 cp

[silent stratus]

thats something I feel I dont understand yet

when it's worth 2-3 rup

instead of 4-5 env 2x

[stoic needle]

I mean tbf tyler is just toxic sometimes for no reason

It's a thing

[drifting cloud]

its a 7min kill 41 and you have a 190 lego

alot of assa parsing is gear aswell

and how long youre staying in p1

[stoic needle]

Usually it's not worth envenoming an add unless it's going to live a long time, a rupture is more damage per energy and gives you energy back

Like look at the tooltips for rupture and envenom and compare the damage

Envenom is kind of a noodle unless you're a chad mastery stacker

[kind talon]

you only envenom someone with all bleeds up btw

if ur using doomblades

[compact pumice]

If you’re spending CP to envenom with Doomblade you better make sure the target has max bleeds!

[stoic needle]

And rup still does more

[kind talon]

@silent stratus way id play p2 is maintain all bleeds on sire, as many as u can on remornia

[compact pumice]

Way better to hit the boss with env than a cabalist

[kind talon]

crimson tempest and LOW cp ruptures on cabalist

[silent stratus]

wow didnt know env was so bad

ty

[kind talon]

then funnel env into sire

env is not so bad

[silent stratus]

no gar on cabalist?

[kind talon]

wel

one gets bursted insta

[silent stratus]

I mean 2.5k for 5cp env

[kind talon]

so a garrote on it is wasted

the other one you can garrote

[silent stratus]

is kinda low compared to 4.4k of gar

[stoic needle]

You can garotte the farther one yeah

[kind talon]

but low cp rupture is more important

[stoic needle]

Especially since it gives some energy

[compact pumice]

It just puts it on CD, but if both remornia and boss has >6 sec garrote on them by all means garrote one

[silent stratus]

so I guess fan of knives and low cp rupture when they spawn

right?

[kind talon]

better to just garrote rupture remornia and prio CT

when they spawn

[stoic needle]

Well for sire hc

[kind talon]

when all 4 are stacked just use CT

[stoic needle]

You should pool 5cp as you're standing next to sire in the intermission

And then as you fall down, tricks of the trade and gar+rup remornia

[silent stratus]

yep with knife

[stoic needle]

Then sprint over to sire, if you are using subterfuge, vanish and garotte everything

[kind talon]

u can hit remornia as u fall down???

[stoic needle]

No like immediately as you hit the ground

[kind talon]

oh

ye

[shy dust]

fuck pooling to 5 cp

[compact pumice]

You use subterfuge?

[shy dust]

Maintain alacrity

[stoic needle]

If you aren't using subterfuge, vanish and fok > rupture sire and then fok> ct

And put ruptures on the adds

[kind talon]

cant u like

garrote rupture remornia mut mut rupture sire

[stoic needle]

There's 4 targets

[kind talon]

and then vanish fok fok ct

[stoic needle]

So you fok

[kind talon]

ye but as the tanks are taking sire over

you can garrote rupture remornia as soon as u get down

then shadowstep sire mut mut rupture

ah

wait

hes necro

sbs garrote rupture

[stoic needle]

Oh yeah he is necro

You'd probably want to sbs rupture the adds instead of fok so you get resets

[silent stratus]

I have vendetta back also

when I go down

[stoic needle]

Save that until you get the bleeds up

[kind talon]

vendetta sire when bleeds are up

pretty pog

[silent stratus]

probably I will never fok except p1 if Im necro

[stoic needle]

So you'd garotte sbs rupture on remornia when you land. Run over and sbs rup both adds, vanish into fok > rupture and ct and envs on sire

If you have MA it's still worth it to fok from vanish with 4t

[silent stratus]

sbs -> rup adds would probably be 2-3cp rup

but I guess as u said still worth it

[kind talon]

rupture doesnt lose damage

with lower cp

just time

btw

[silent stratus]

true

[stoic needle]

Each sbs will be more than that because you have sbs on sire and remornia at that point

First will be 3+ and the 2nd will be 4+

[kind talon]

you should have like

2 sbs charges going into p2

one goes remornia

the other goes cabalist which is not blown up

unless u get one charge back during intermission but thats dependant on groups right

p1 timings change with dps

[silent stratus]

so during p1 I would never use sbs except on opener and vanish?

[kind talon]

you always use sbs to avoid overcapping charges

[odd hazel]

if you dont do pvp-- do you just go for 2 haste/vers weapons? or do you want one crit mastery weap?

just got the haste/vers weap from mists. wondeirng if i should get another one or just keep my crit/mastery one

[gusty mirage]

are these weapons in your bags already?

just top gear it tbh

[odd hazel]

the haste/verse one is in my bags but i currently have on 2 crit/mastery weaps on.

( look, i ran mists like 40 times. )

[drifting cloud]

depends if you need valor for something else I guess

[broken flame]

is it possible to get the slime mount from HC plaguefall as a Sin Rogue?

[red bloom]

I had a lot of issues when I tried

dying being the main one

[drifting cloud]

yes but you need alot of gear or just get a friend to kill spider for you

[bleak sky]

ep vigor vs blindside deeper strats on shriekwing?

[fathom swift]

if execute doesnt matter the difference is pretty small

[teal bloom]

Does elaborate planning not have pandemic mechanic?

[balmy condor]

nop

[pliant apex]

Can someone please analyse mythic inerva log for me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/knockemstiff#boss=2406

Got grey parse, problem is I don’t think I did something wrong , meaning I need intervention lol

[kind talon]

ur nightfae

wrong talents

CT is better

[stoic needle]

We already gave you advice on that log man lol

[kind talon]

ah mb

[stoic needle]

Ct is kinda padding as well

[drifting cloud]

25k add dmg

[kind talon]

i went poison bomb

js

if hes playing EP vigor

he might as well go CT

depends on how many adds he skips

[balmy condor]

why does EP vigor make CT better?

[kind talon]

it doesnt

vigor makes ep better

anyways

ill retract my statements about CT over PB

[balmy condor]

but "if he's playing EP vigor he might as well go CT"

[kind talon]

i mean they pretty much had 3 sets of adds

so PB is fine

[kind talon]

p sure if hes not gonna damage adds he might as well go blindside

js

[peak helm]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

well he should be dotting the adds because the energy increases his priority damage to the boss

[kind talon]

yes

[stoic needle]

which also makes EP more valuable

[kind talon]

i looked at the log

idk man 2 people already helped him

[stoic needle]

yeah lol

[wet ruin]

ct isn't really padding though

[kind talon]

Depends on the kill times for the adds imo

But it’s true that as assa your job should be st damage on inerva imo

[wet ruin]

if you are focusing the adds or rather the big add then you are probably doing it wrong

[kind talon]

No one is focusing the adds

[wet ruin]

as in 'your raid focusing the add' it should die just form cleave

[kind talon]

The log we were looking at has like 2 ruptures total cast on adds

[kind talon]

Yeah I agree but there is varying levels of cleave for different comps

[stoic needle]

it's padding because those adds should die regardless

[kind talon]

Not really, the adds dying faster is only good

[stoic needle]

yes but you're sacrificing boss damage to do that

[kind talon]

Like, my raid has had past issues where the harnessed specter stayed up into the next set

[wet ruin]

are you though

[stoic needle]

let the actual aoe classes handle those adds and pump the boss

[kind talon]

If that was a constant issue then I would have gone CT

[wet ruin]

doesn't seem like padding really, since it actually does something for st as well

[kind talon]

doing the sim rn

[drifting cloud]

consdering your r1 overall is also r1 boss dmg

I think youre good annsie

[stoic needle]

sacrificing ST to do more AOE damage to adds that will die anyway regardless of whether you CT them or not = padding

hard to say if that's the case in his situation

if you really need CT to make sure all the adds die you have bigger problems

such as: why are your hunters afk

[wet ruin]

we had only one, but still

[kind talon]

CT isnt that much less ST dmg

[low girder]

It's not a loss at all if you're zoldyck

[kind talon]

esp if running doomblades

[low girder]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[kind talon]

u dont run zoldyck for inerva tho

[low girder]

Oh I thought we were talking sire for some reason

[kind talon]

nah its inerva

[low girder]

It's a bigger loss on doomblade btw

Like, noticeably

[kind talon]

ye ofc it is

[low girder]

I'd call -100 a lot

[kind talon]

pure st

yes

on inerva when you have windows with multiple garrotes up pumping more and more envenoms into prio target with the energy u get

the extra bleed is not that much of a dps loss compared to pb

and CT inc ur add dmg so

they are comparable talents

and if hes struggling with add damage as he is then maybe he should just go CT was what i was trying to say anyways

but obviously mans needs to press rupture garrote idk what hes doing there

[placid pagoda]

Hey guys - is Zoldiks still best for m+ for Assa?

[low girder]

Idk every sim I'm running the loss is just as significant on a cleave add

[balmy condor]

yes

[placid pagoda]

Over doom blade?

[balmy condor]

definitely in m+

should only really consider doomblade for ToP

and even then, questionable

[placid pagoda]

Interesting

Just swapped from my fury warrior to assa / outlaw

[safe barn]

whisp have you just out of curiosity simmed anything in ptr for outlaw?

[balmy condor]

outlaw

[placid pagoda]

Is it worth crafting another leggi for raiding on assa then?

[balmy condor]

yes

we craft zold for m+ and doom for raid

atm

[placid pagoda]

Damn that is hefty

Compared to signet on my warrior for all specs 😂

[stoic needle]

doomspike

it's okay because torghast is literally free as a rogue

[balmy condor]

there's a lot of viable options

[safe barn]

HEY I LIKE IT OK, ONLY DO M+ LIKE THIS

[placid pagoda]

Would doom be a more universal option to take? That would cover raid / M+

[low girder]

I would not play doomblade in any m+ environment

[balmy condor]

zold/ma

I'm like 90% sure I have a pin on that as well

cause I'm a baller

[placid pagoda]

Interesting,
Due to mobs dying fast?

[safe barn]

i tried to play a little with MA and it doesnt look like it's that good

[balmy condor]

due to not hitting mutilate

ever

[low girder]

No, due to not having a majority of pulls being less than 4

[balmy condor]

MA is quite good idk what you're doing wrong

I run MA in most of my keys for fun

[oak cypress]

on council it is worth maintaining rup/garrote on one of the other bosses u arent actively killing right?

[balmy condor]

and it does pretty much the same damage

[balmy condor]

up to 5 bleeds

[safe barn]

as an outlaw?

[balmy condor]

total

[safe barn]

huh

[balmy condor]

DUDE

I DONT PLAY OUTLAW

SPEC IS TRASH

STOP TALKING BOUT IT

[oak cypress]

like wait, what do u mean up to 5 bleeds? l

[kind talon]

[placid pagoda]

Bleeds on 5 targets

[safe barn]

WHISPYR YOU HAVE TO LET IT GO MAN

PPL TALK ABOUT STUFF

[balmy condor]

I don't talk about outlaw

don't ask me outlaw shit

I don't care

[balmy condor]

you bleed until you have 5 bleeds up

[safe barn]

i must be doing my opener wrong when using MA then

[balmy condor]

that's the highest prio damage

[placid pagoda]

How long is it going to take me to craft 2 leggo’s to 235

[balmy condor]

uhhh from 0 ash

should be 8 weeks?

[low girder]

Yeah

[placid pagoda]

Hefty

[low girder]

Roughly

[oak cypress]

oooooooooooh ok i gotcha so itd be like...... garrote on 2 of them and ruptur on all 3 type shit? for highest prio dmg on the oen we killing?

[placid pagoda]

Zoldiks first thence

Rhen*

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak cypress]

ty 🙂

hoping to replace this god forsaken 134dagger D:<

[safe barn]

damn dude, 190 daggers are cheap at this point

[placid pagoda]

Got 200 wep token from first raid boss today lol

[oak cypress]

not on my realm they arent

60k is a lot for me i dont have a lot of gold

[low girder]

Switch covenants and redo the campaign

Free 194

[stoic needle]

for council it's actually garrote+rupture on the boss you're killing and the next closest one, and then another garotte on an add or something

don't run around tryin to dot all 3 bosses you're going to just lose uptime that way

4 bleeds + near 100% uptime > 5 bleeds + lost uptime

[oak cypress]

ok thank you

[placid pagoda]

Just to check, doom still best ST?

[safe barn]

should i open with FoK>CT>FoK>apply dots? in M+ with Ma

[stoic needle]

imo you should run NS+MFD and MFD+CT out of stealth and then fok > rup >fok > rup. but without MFD NS yes that's the way

[low girder]

If he's running MA and not taking NS shouldn't he be subt

And therefore not opening like that

[stoic needle]

yeah you're right

[safe barn]

Yep, that's why im asking, cuz i was playing with subt and opening with garrote in everyone

[stoic needle]

with subt you still 3x garrote even with ma

[safe barn]

that does not seem optimal with MA

[stoic needle]

but it is

[low girder]

It is

[safe barn]

really?

[stoic needle]

yeah

[safe barn]

how does the crit works with garrote?

it crits everything?

[stoic needle]

your garottes, poison and autos are critting for the ma window

it doesn't snapshot like NS though

so it's only for the 4s

[safe barn]

i'll try the NS+MFD build

seems fun

[low girder]

It's worse but not that much worse

It's fun imo

[stoic needle]

yeah it is a lot of fun

[safe barn]

we lose that much from the enh gar?

damn

[stoic needle]

it's not really the lack of the damage from subterfuge, but rather how slow it makes our damage+energy ramp up without getting up 3 garottes at the beginning of every pack

[kind talon]

Garrote 1 garrote 2 garrote 3 rupture 4 vendetta exsanguinate then you're gonna fok fok rupture again you're gonna vanish reapply garrotes, especially on the target you dont have and that's it, you're gonna ct, crimson tempest. Look at my damage right now fucking 40k dude it's fucking over how the fuck let's go

Never gets old

[stoic needle]

i'm sorry but you have to have a zoldycks and play sin in M+ to be able to use that copypasta

i don't make the rules

[kind talon]

I have no soul ash sorry osh

[safe barn]

one thing i struggle with sin in m+ is the lack of DR

so i never know when to use vanish/vendetta

[kind talon]

Oh btw osh

[gusty mirage]

if I can get into a key am I allowed to use the copypasta?

[spice spire]

Just vibe it out mis - that’s all you gotta do

[kind talon]

Big reason why sin isn’t as good is misdirect

[eternal portal]

anyone got a good bonespike WA?

[stoic needle]

you play it exactly the same as outlaw, just send that shit on CD

dont hold it

[stoic needle]

wut

[kind talon]

Check outlaw pins

[spice spire]

Guess you’re never using the copy pasta

[kind talon]

Outlaw MD way better

[stoic needle]

they're exactly the same ability

[kind talon]

Start of pack aggro is way stronger with tricks on pull

Yeah but garrote on 3 targets vs bladeflurry hitting everything in the pack osh

[spice spire]

I see but also

[stoic needle]

yeah that literally doesnt matter at all dude

i never have aggro issues in keys and i press tricks on cd

[kind talon]

It’s not ur aggro that’s the issue

[spice spire]

It’s just to supplement aggro - you’re not creating it for the tank lmao.
If they tank correctly it should really never be an issue

[kind talon]

Depends on comp but

Warriors rip aggro

Fire mages rip aggro

[stoic needle]

there's several reasons why outlaw is better than sin in m+ but tricks is not one

[spice spire]

^

[stoic needle]

if it were that big of an issue you could just wait to tricks until you have everything dotted

and do even more threat than outlaw

[kind talon]

Which means you have to wait until everything is dotted

Specifically for fury warrior and fire mage aggro is a big issue when opening on a pack

[low girder]

Tricks the warrior to have pack live longer for more dps

[placid pagoda]

Ye my NF fury warrior regularily pulls aggy on packs

[low girder]

[kind talon]

[kind talon]

Do u play sin or ol?

[placid pagoda]

Sin

[kind talon]

@stoic needle

@spice spire

[placid pagoda]

?

[kind talon]

Earlier I was talking about how outlaw rogue tricks is more impactful

For opening pulls

Compared to assa tricks

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

?

[spice spire]

Oh no he’s been awoken

[balmy condor]

nah I've been watching the whole time

I'm just confused

[bleak sky]

someone activated whispyr

[spice spire]

O Icy

[kind talon]

[bleak sky]

we're gonna have a "Rupture is better than SnD" all over again

[balmy condor]

idk man

people have had some pretty shit takes in here lately

kinda concerning

[wide bolt]

but rupture deals dmg slice doesnt so it must be better

[kind talon]

Idk what’s so bad about what I said

[stoic needle]

cuz it just doesn't matter

like

no one is gonna say "yeah sorry i want this outlaw rogue over the assassination rogue because they do slightly more redirected threat with tricfks"

[spice spire]

IA: that.
B. It’s so easy to yoink aggro back from the initial oh FUCK of warriors and mages
C. Unsure why this is a sticking point lol

[placid pagoda]

@balmy condor would you say MA is a more neutral Lego over voldiks ?

[placid pagoda]

Or is it just worth crafting two leggos

[balmy condor]

I mean it works with all specs, so that's more neutral

[stoic needle]

just make zoldycks

you dont really need MA for anything

it's not bis for anything

[placid pagoda]

Gunna have to@just the grind of doing two hurts my brain

[low girder]

Yeah only make MA if you're gonna play multiple specs in keys

Otherwise doesn't make much sense

[placid pagoda]

Okay thanks man

[balmy condor]

and on the tricks thing, the idea that you'll even notice the difference in tricks between the two specs

is kinda laughable

[placid pagoda]

Kinda my vibe as I enjoy oly and assa

[low girder]

It's not like mm vs bm

Where most of your dmg just doesn't gen threat

For the misdirect

All the dmg is still there

[kind talon]

I understand where you’re coming from, but when one spec puts 3 dots on 3 targets at the start of a pull vs hitting all 5

Esp with MA

It’s not a huge thing

But it exists lmfao

[stoic needle]

it exists but nobody cares about it

[kind talon]

I do but that’s prob just cause I play fury

[stoic needle]

you're unlikely to be playing with a fury in a key anyway

[kind talon]

Amount of times I’ll pull aggro / die to aggro is thru the roof

[compact pumice]

Then again you'll hit 8 mobs with CT so it might even be better with tricks for a large pack

[kind talon]

But yeah fair enough

[kind talon]

Depends on how delayed the CT is

Tricks is most impactful on opening of a pull

Ur not gonna pull aggro 10 sec into a pull

[compact pumice]

mages frequently do

but maybe yeah

[kind talon]

But then the mage is combusting 10 seconds into the pull

[compact pumice]

But a rogue who optimises his tricks is focusing on the wrong things to improve IMO

[kind talon]

True

[solar vortex]

Haven't had time to watch or read about PTR stuff, is venthyr assassination with doomblade still looking really solid or is necrolord gonna be the BIS?

[compact pumice]

It's only PTR and it's not final yet but Necro looks pretty good at it's current state, ngl

[solar vortex]

yeah i heard something about it

did the buff bone spikes?

or the soulbinds?

[placid pagoda]

I second this, even letting tank take aggro for 3/4 secs, pop reck and use AA I can pull@the whole pack off tank

[compact pumice]

Soulbinds and the NL legendary

[solar vortex]

NL?

ohh

[compact pumice]

Necrolord

[kind talon]

Which is why a good tricks on opener is insanely impactful

[solar vortex]

necrolord gets its own lego now?

[kind talon]

Imo

It’s a fringe scenario though ig

[compact pumice]

Yes, well all the covenant gets one.

[solar vortex]

right, of course

[strange python]

wait guys is this tricks thing forreal? or is it still pvp only?

it's under the "general" category not pvp

[kind talon]

It’s the pvp talent

[solar vortex]

is the NL lego gonna just be solid for raid or what does it do?

anyone got a link to it?

[compact pumice]

[balmy condor]

jesus

[spice spire]

Who hurt you on the 21st?

[low girder]

It's only under general because they had to reword the base tooltip in case you take the pvp talent

[balmy condor]

the fuck is wrong with you people

just fucking read

[solar vortex]

i love that you always just jump to conclusions like an asshole

[strange python]

[solar vortex]

is the new raid full of aoe?

[low girder]

God awful

[solar vortex]

is it single target?

[low girder]

Pretend it doesn't exist

[strange python]

[solar vortex]

im asking a fucking question, dont get your panties in a bunch bud

and if you get mad about every little thing, don't answer

[drifting cloud]

cry

[kind talon]

[eager plaza]

[compact pumice]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/new-covenant-legendaries-for-rogue-paladin-and-shaman-in-patch-9-1-ptr-build-321987

[balmy condor]

fine, here's a better answer. The fae lego is the worst lego we have available to us in 9.1 and should never be crafted under any circumstances, no matter the soulbind, aoe, single target, conduit, gear ilvl, stats you have, pvp, pve, day of the week, week of the year, weather outside, or you being unable to open pins

[kind talon]

NL = necrolord...

js

[peak jungle]

Haven't quite made Zoldyk yet, but for M+ would you think MA or Doomblade would perform better?

[compact pumice]

Of those two, MA

[kind talon]

Zoldyck is bis for m+

[solar vortex]

i don't remember asking about the fae lego, but thank you for your misdirected passive aggression

[peak jungle]

With MA, I wonder if subterfuge would be worth it as I'd lose the crit window spamming garrote on 3 targets

[balmy condor]

wait you didn't

?

what cov did you ask

[compact pumice]

He asked about NL

[kind talon]

He asked NL

[solar vortex]

no bro i asked about NL lol

[balmy condor]

oh

well that's also in the pins

[compact pumice]

[warped temple]

Nightlords

[solar vortex]

ive been working 14 hours a day. this is first chance i could get in discord for 3 weeks lol

was just asking what we knew about new raid and how legos worked

[kind talon]

All good bro

[balmy condor]

if the pins are updated, there's a helpful little red notification icon btw

[compact pumice]

Yeah, read up a bit and ask if anything seems weird

[solar vortex]

then whysper comes on and tries to karate chop my fucking head off

AS USUAL

[balmy condor]

easy

don't ask pinned questions

:)

[stoic needle]

there's some aoe in the new raid, but since the necrolord legendary doesn't give any ST benefit at all i'm not sure if it will be rrun

[solar vortex]

i checked pins, maybe i overlooked a link to the new legos?

or new raid?

[drifting cloud]

unlucky

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

come back again in 3 weeks

[solar vortex]

spoiler alert, there aren't links to it

so i asked

🙂

[compact pumice]

That's true, wonder if it will even be out in it's current form.

[balmy condor]

[peak jungle]

With MA leggo for M+ do you think subterfuge garrote spam would still be worth it?

[stoic needle]

you can go on wowhead or on the ptr and look at the encounter journal like the rest of us did

[stoic needle]

yes

[peak jungle]

Thanks

[solar vortex]

wowhead versus maybe finding someone here who tests on PTR is a little different

[bleak sky]

bleed = good

[solar vortex]

that is why i like to ask

[bleak sky]

no bleed = bad

[kind talon]

Whispyr ngl even tho u hit me with the passive aggressive emotes all the time they’re s+ tier

Pretty poggers

[stoic needle]

no one has been able to test those fights yet so the information is the exact same

[solar vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/baseball-fail-slide-gif-8578769

@kind talon

[compact pumice]

I mean yeah, it's still a good tactic. There is another spec you can try out if you want:
NS MFD CT, to open each pack with an empowered full 5cp CT

It does sim really well

But it's a bit unorthodox

[drifting cloud]

I dunno about you I killed sylvanas mythic 2 weeks ago

[kind talon]

🙂

[solar vortex]

AWESOME! thank you, i wasn't sure about it yet

[kind talon]

Fuck off?

[stoic needle]

I personally don't think it's going to get any changes at all, but if it does they will probably be outlaw only and not affect us

[balmy condor]

this dude

[stoic needle]

[solar vortex]

what, my memes aren't s tier enough?

[kind talon]

Bruh I don’t know I

[bleak sky]

would any of you ever waste valor points upgrading a trinket from 197 to 220? (shadowgrasp totem)

[kind talon]

Just met u today and all You’ve done is had a breakdown in a spec channel

So imo you’re D tier as a chatter

Maybe I’ll see more of u bro

[compact pumice]

Yes, if it's IQD or Phial

Shadowgrasp seems decent, would depend on what you have

[bleak sky]

IQD feels so much like a meme tho

[solar vortex]

more like F tier chatter, i have a life unfortunately

[bleak sky]

implying other people don't have a life

[solar vortex]

it's a drag

[drifting cloud]

then why do you care

just come back 1 week before patch launches

[compact pumice]

well if IQD is a meme then Shadowgrasp is a bad meme

[bleak sky]

you do have a point

[kind talon]

IQD pretty good if u just get the WA for it

[bleak sky]

fair enough

[kind talon]

It’s even good if u just use it during execute phase

[stoic needle]

you're pretty much guaranteed to get stats from both uses of iqd, because no one is oom/hurt on the pull and it always gives stats during lust

[balmy condor]

kind whack to come in, ask for a cov lego, and then go "yeah but what about the new stuff that won't be out for a month and isn't tested, what's up with that"

even if I popped off on you for the wrong reason

you just give me more fodder

[low girder]

Whispyr where are my sims for my week 2 ptr

[drifting cloud]

how dare you not implenet it all in sims even if they remake half of them next ptr patch

[kind talon]

[drifting cloud]

just hope this shit actually goes live in june

[balmy condor]

I think it might

but june is still

very soon

tbh

considering like 90% of the shit is placeholder atm

kinda scary

[drifting cloud]

you mean like the interviews about rio system

thats nowhere to be seen ingame

[balmy condor]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

what the status on the dungeon I have no clue

[kind talon]

Idk June seems soon to me

[balmy condor]

I don't think it's testable

the models got datamined

[kind talon]

July/August possible no?

[balmy condor]

but I'm not even sure the journal is updated

august is probably too late

but july seems reasonable

[fathom swift]

think they said thats gonna be up next ptr build

[low girder]

mid-july has been my guess for a while

[drifting cloud]

problem is if patch is that late

assuming raid is 2-3 weeks after

thats hella late then

[fathom swift]

i think patch late june raid sarly july

[stoic needle]

all the abilities and loot are in the journal

[fathom swift]

2 months is definitely enough to go live

[stoic needle]

they seem to be pretty up to date

[kind talon]

I hope I can get CE fuckin hell dude

Lmfao

[low girder]

what i expect is an initial release date of june and they'll find something and be like "oh, FUCK."

[stoic needle]

[drifting cloud]

so then sl is probably a 3 tier xpac which is kinda meh

[kind talon]

[stoic needle]

i didn't play in legion, how did it manage to have so many dungeons?

[kind talon]

Maybe a short raid like crucible or something

[low girder]

by abandoning the previous xpac

[drifting cloud]

true

[stoic needle]

[kind talon]

Because legion fucked

[drifting cloud]

hfc was like 14months

[low girder]

highmaul and BRF were in beta

then we got HFC

for 14 months

really easy to make content like that

[stoic needle]

a tier lasting over a year makes me scared

[drifting cloud]

like my guild cleared hfc in December, it came out in june/and we were like r500 lmao

[fathom swift]

most last tiers of expacs are a year now anyway its nothing unusual

[low girder]

also when you have a .1 patch called "garrison update"

that happens 3 weeks after a tier

starts

lol

[kind talon]

[drifting cloud]

yeah but they only really changed that in bfa mata

antorus for example was 7.2.5

[low girder]

7.1 had a bunch of suramar stuff

iirc

then NH came later

and new leggos i think?

[drifting cloud]

well NH was also weird since it had raid testing in beta

[kind talon]

Yeah there was a good amount of suramar stuff

[drifting cloud]

so it was ready quite a early

[kind talon]

Like the whole questline

[low girder]

wasn't really about the raid, just that 6.1's primary features were fixing issues with the garrison, adding the selfie cam, and twitter integration

soooo

[kind talon]

Nice patch

[drifting cloud]

yeah but like I said its just a bad patch name

if it was 6.0.5 nobody would bring it up as an example

😄

[lavish pulsar]

Quick check, I know as other classes scale some of the oils and dps potions get worse, is that true with Ass Rogue? Is there a point I should sim for to see if Greater Agi and Sharpening Stones are better than the oils and phantom fires?

[low girder]

yeah lol

[drifting cloud]

I mean it was still poop content its just the combination

[low girder]

i just mean that's all we got until 6.2

[lavish pulsar]

(Yeah I know the answer is "Sim It")

[low girder]

and then abandoned until 7.0

[drifting cloud]

like remember TOS only like 50 guilds killed KJ before crucible

[low girder]

apart from the valor patch

also mythic dungeons

that was strange

[bleak sky]

I mean KJ was stupid hard

[low girder]

what a weird time that was

[drifting cloud]

theres no clear winner people use all combinations

[low girder]

yeah unfortunately the only real answer we can give is sim it

this'll help

[bleak sky]

I like sharpening stones because the sound it makes is crisp

[low girder]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[drifting cloud]

sure for top100 KJ was hard but after like 2nd set of nerfs

he wasnt that bad

[low girder]

idk he was still like 400+ pulls

and we killed it uh

might've been top 200

[drifting cloud]

we killed it under 200 pulls at like r 350

[bleak sky]

my core broke before KJ

[low girder]

278 jk

[drifting cloud]

but we probably started progging it best time possible

like a raid or two in it got nerfed

[low girder]

yeah i think those nerfs went in during prog

[drifting cloud]

p2 add hp and other shit

[low girder]

for us

was still less dumb than the avatar one lol

one pull we have 5 soaks, then the next soak we only had 4

and everyone was panicking

trying to figure out where the 5th one was

[bleak sky]

avatar monkaS

[drifting cloud]

but yeah thats why TOS can be seen from alot of different povs depending on your rank

[lavish pulsar]

thanks!
letting the sims roll now

[drifting cloud]

for me it at 350 it was kinda chill

[low girder]

was one of the most brutal tiers for me

[drifting cloud]

literally had less wipes on avatar+kj than on argus lmaoooooo

[low girder]

mistress -> maiden -> avatar -> kj

what a brutal progression

[bleak sky]

mistress was a REAL bitch

but damn ToS was a fun raid

[drifting cloud]

yeah if you were a rogue

[low girder]

[bleak sky]

I was a DH back then

[copper salmon]

Hey guys, I'm having thoughts of swapping from Venthyr to Necro on my strictly m+ Rogue. Is there a way to test playing Necro on ptr or something? Or do I just have to go ballsdeep and yolo the swap to try it out?

Never had to swap Cov before, so a bit anxious about options

[compact pumice]

You can swap on PTR yeah

[copper salmon]

Cool, thanks mate!

[vernal granite]

Is there a weak aura to track how many ruptures/garrotes are up?

[compact pumice]

You can also “try it” on live but you would have to “live with it” for a week. Since you haven’t been NL already you would just instantly trigger the quest to swap back to Venthyr and you’re then ready for the coming week, just make sure to swap the day before reset or something then

[balmy condor]

I’m sure there is, but it isn’t particularly useful for anything

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/WULju2fnt

[vernal granite]

Thanks, I'm just not great at tracking when they fall off in big packs in mythic+

[balmy condor]

Nameplates help with that

[vernal granite]

Thanks @stoic needle

I use plater but maybe I should look for some more minimalist profiles.

[compact pumice]

You can customize plater a lot to make it more visible for you

[pure moth]

Plater has a counter too? I have it set to just be above the target/ enemies

[bleak sky]

Just count them in your head like a real chad

[balmy condor]

The counter isn’t useful

Knowing how many bleeds are up is really useless info

You’d want to know for like council

And that’s it

[pure moth]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

But even then, 2 target bleeds

[vernal granite]

But in mythic+ you want 3-4 right?

[balmy condor]

You bleed everything that lasts long enough

[versed mica]

Whispyr, what's the correct useage of SBS in sin ST?

[balmy condor]

On gemstone

[versed mica]

kk thanks

[balmy condor]

If you’re doing priority dps, you’d get 5 out

In aoe you just bleed everything

[vernal granite]

Well then okay that makes things simpler

[balmy condor]

Once things are like 10 seconds from dying you envenom over refreshing rupture

And you’re good to go

[vernal granite]

Makes sense thank you.

[balmy condor]

Np

[stoic needle]

does it really?

the only reason I have the aura is for when I need to prio damage something in a pack

[bleak sky]

if you're running low keys ( <15) and your comp has enough aoe (boomy, fire mage, dh) do you bother swapping to CT build?

[stoic needle]

yes

[bleak sky]

kk

[balmy condor]

PB is hot trash

Any excuse to not use it is good tbh

I just hate using CT single target

[stoic needle]

CT ST gaming in 9.2

prepare thyself

[errant viper]

Isn’t the whole last row kind of.. meh..?

[balmy condor]

CT is crazy strong

[compact pumice]

Since I don’t prio it during shiv it feels like CT single target has trash uptime

[low girder]

might not be 9.2 for him since he's necro

or you for that matter

might be 9.1 for me

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s normal

[compact pumice]

It’s like maybe 2-3 casts per minute almost 😦

[balmy condor]

Uh

Should be closer to 4 a min probably

But yeah

Seems fine

[bleak sky]

CT just feels so sad

PB procs make me happy, CT usage doesn't

[compact pumice]

Is there some optimization you can do like refresh CT just before a shiv window to optimize Doomblade?

[gusty mirage]

until you check the damage PB procs do, then you get sad again

[compact pumice]

Pb procs look impactful and you hear the sound and see the graphic but you don’t really see any damage though

[bleak sky]

true, true, it just feels good

it has a very satisfying noise

what about hidden blades and that sweet 400% inc on FoK

[kind talon]

[balmy condor]

Nothing worthwhile

[balmy condor]

Me and I think push we’re talking about mythic SLG and how worth it would be running EP Vig NS HB with MA

And then vanishing into an HB fok with Ns

After some quick math

Not good

[bleak sky]

F

[kind talon]

What if you like

Vanish into CT with NS

Does it affect only the upfront dmg?

[stoic needle]

ct snapshots NS for the whole duration

[balmy condor]

NS CT is good in m+

But for something like slg add shields

Not really helpful

[fathom swift]

add shields dont even matter anymore

[bleak sky]

but then you'd have to go mfd, no?

[balmy condor]

Yeah we had that conversation like 3 months ago

[balmy condor]

Yes

You’d also take MA as a legendary

[bleak sky]

the thought of having to wait a few more weeks to craft MA feelsbadman

[balmy condor]

It’s just a fun little alternate build for m+

Nothing impressive

[bleak sky]

Oh, just to have a bit more flexibility

[fathom swift]

assa def wasnt a viable slg spec 3 months ago

[bleak sky]

right now I only have doomblade and i've been saving a bit for zoldycks

[balmy condor]

Yeah craft zoldyck for sure

Zoldyck subterfuge is the standard build, and it’s got the same if not better damage

And silences

It’s just better

The NS thing is just the same damage for less cc

Feels a little awkward as well if you’re not used to slow openers

[heavy trail]

I tried the MFD one and got started learning the subter build and never really looked back as the MFD one requires a lot of effort for minimal gain. I have fun trying to pot shot mobs with SBS 🙂

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s nothing more than a change of pace for fun

[restive minnow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[honest heath]

Do we use sharpening Stone or shadow oil as sin and outlaw?

[stoic needle]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[stoic needle]

stones and agi pots are more consistent

[honest heath]

Ah ok thanks

[stoic needle]

How DARE THESE RANDOM PEOPLE NOT PLAY THE GAME PERFECTLY WITH NO MISTAKES WHATSOEVER?!?

[balmy condor]

Any death spikers

[spice spire]

Right here papi

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

It's me

Crit/mastery deathspike chads unite

[balmy condor]

We don’t claim him

[stoic needle]

Imagine not putting the bis AOE stats on the bis aoe legendary

[balmy condor]

My char has like 45% mastery

Mastery is below vers in aoe for me

[stoic needle]

And you call ME the mastery stan

[balmy condor]

I ONLY GET MASTERY

[stoic needle]

Give it to me

[balmy condor]

I GOT MASTERY NECK AND MASTERY RINGS AND MASTERY EVERYTHING

[stoic needle]

Smh

You don't deserve it

[balmy condor]

I had to swap for sidegrade bracers to avoid mastery IQD

Was cancer

[fresh kelp]

Bout to craft my first leggo, looked at the pins and looks like Zoldyck/MA is recommended for overall, this still the case before I commit?

[balmy condor]

Indeed

[spice spire]

Mastery IQD? @stoic needle ur dream can become reality

[balmy condor]

Zold for sin, ma if you’re playing other specs

[stoic needle]

Yes lawd

[fresh kelp]

Okay, thank you @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

But you can play MA just fine on sin as well if you’re gonna pvp for example

[stoic needle]

Mastery isn't my highest stat so I can't get it to proc from mine sadly

[spice spire]

You can still dream papi

[stoic needle]

I have ~600 haste and crit but only ~400 mastery

I need one more ring

[fresh kelp]

I typically dabble in everything tbh, arena i haven't broken 2k or anything tho

[spice spire]

F.

[stoic needle]

And maybe a couple other peices

Mastery stackers RISE UP

We will RULE 9.1

[low girder]

By playing sub in aoe

[dawn ivy]

and uh how do you think you'll go about that

[stoic needle]

***will rule m+

I'd like to see the aoe comparisons of sin with deathspike and sub

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle

[stoic needle]

Yesssss

[gusty mirage]

that's without me switching out my raid gear

[stoic needle]

You better start stacking that mastery sir

[gusty mirage]

ngl it feels good to be assa in m+ again

[balmy condor]

Don’t give into his lies oxi

If you look into his eyes you’ll turn to stone

[gusty mirage]

tbh I need more crit & some more vers

idk if 18% haste is doing me much good

222 fire mage & 220 mm hunter btw

get rekt

[stoic needle]

It's fine but it won't give you that big overall like you want

Don't listen to the mastery non-believers

Reject big haste