assassination

[ruby birch]

So

Is mastery good single target

[mighty bolt]

Why?

[sudden hound]

stack mastery. secret bis build

[low girder]

because most people just skip to the part at the end

[stoic needle]

it's good when you're forced off the boss to do mechanics

and if you're a chad who likes big envenoms

[low girder]

much like how people used the bis list to pick items on the list over things that would've been bigger upgrades

[stoic needle]

but other than that it's the 'worst' stat for ST

[mighty bolt]

But the info is there

If people want to missuse it

There is nothing no one can do

[wary ice]

because its 2021 and "sim yourself" has been the answer for nearly 6 years

😦

[balmy condor]

Yeah except if it hurts more than helps, you gotta take it away

[shell kettle]

I do have a question then to which i cant find the answer elsewhere

Garrote generates 1 CP 100% of the time right? is it good to top up CP from 4 to 5 with it so you dont have to finish -1?

[balmy condor]

That’s the bis list life cycle

[low girder]

only if it's within pandemic range

[shell kettle]

of course

[low girder]

but otherwise yes

[ruby birch]

Wtf you called?

[balmy condor]

Create bis list, have it be used ethically, it becomes widespread, idiots use it, it hurts more than it helps, so you take the candy away

[ruby birch]

[stoic needle]

[wary ice]

🐒

[mighty bolt]

Pandemic time + 2 seconds would be bad?

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[ruby birch]

The Virgin haste builder

[balmy condor]

Would be 2 seconds bad

[wary ice]

ook ook

[ruby birch]

The Chad mastery stacker

[stoic needle]

mastery increases the damage of your envenoms by more % per point of substat than any other stats

[mighty bolt]

Sad don’t look at my logs plz I won’t do it again 😞

[balmy condor]

It’s fine, in fact I encourage it if you have to run from a hungering consume or something

Slamming garrote on cd for fun though

Is cringe

[shell kettle]

😄

[balmy condor]

Overwriting dots before pandemic

[shell kettle]

big apply dots before you start running and start hurling those poisoned knives

[gloomy knoll]

Garret on cd is outlaw brain

[mighty bolt]

Nah not slamming gar, just when it’s on 8 seconds and pandemic it’s like 7.1 I think, and I’m on 5cp it’s like I’m gonna refresh and do a big ass env

Even if should wait a global

[shell kettle]

gar seems to be 6 seconds and rupture 7, think? decimals are like ultra tryhard, better .1 too "late" than .1 too soon

[balmy condor]

5.4 on gar

Rupture varies based on cp

[mighty bolt]

And overwrite on 70.7% on sire u also do it or I’m the only dumb?

[balmy condor]

Should have a !pandemic bot command now that I think about it

[shell kettle]

:3

[mighty bolt]

Tbh I’m just a outlaw pleb who made the good move to sin for sire :E

[shell kettle]

I might be about to do the same

[balmy condor]

I’ll let the good man seli explain

[low girder]

If you are talented into Exsanguinate, you are wrong and should feel bad.

is how that should be worded

[balmy condor]

Also true

[low girder]

rework exsang pls

or give ss conduit

either one

[shell kettle]

oh so you actually wanna open with low cp finishers :d

[balmy condor]

Well kinda yeah

Not low low

Our logic atm is at least 3 cp to get things rolling

[mighty bolt]

The first rupture can be at 3cp?

I mean I don’t spam builders till 5/6?

[balmy condor]

Either or

[shell kettle]

according to everything above not only can it be, it should be. Because that cheap rupture is going to get extended to a full one at no extra cost

[mighty bolt]

One Gcd cost?

[shell kettle]

You'd be spending that GCD anyway

[old depot]

Is there any addon that allows stacking name plates only when in combat/dungeon/raid? getting annoyed with needing stacking for dungeons but in town its so overwhelming

[mighty bolt]

So I can open like mut snd mut gar rup?

[balmy condor]

I don’t want to get into it too much, but you can safely do pretty much whatever the fuck you want as long as you don’t break the basic rules too much

Openers matter fairly little

And sin can sorta just face roll and do fine

[mighty bolt]

What are the basic rules?

[balmy condor]

Maint first, then cooldowns

[mighty bolt]

Nice

Sbs > mut first global I’ve readed this days ?

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[mighty bolt]

I’ve been reading a lot this channel for few days and realized I was doing almost everything suboptimal (but not breaking the basic rules don’t kill me whispyr)

[shell kettle]

not sure about what im doing with sbs, kinda just using it when i got 0 cp and want a cheap builder

[balmy condor]

Yeah

That’s pretty much fine

There’s a lot of really small optimizations for sin for like 15 dps here 30 dps there

[low girder]

i have a quote for you

one sec

[balmy condor]

But really it’s just maintain everything

Cooldowns on cooldown

And don’t overcap

It’s very difficult to play Sin wrong

[shell kettle]

Seems a little hard with a 170 energy pool ngl

[shell kettle]

not using garrote because you think its a stealth ability is one

[low girder]

the old standby

keep maintenance up, don't hold cds, you're probably fine

[balmy condor]

I think the biggest mistakes are actually people overcomplicating it

“Oh I hold shiv so I can get 3 envenoms in”

[low girder]

it's been so long

[balmy condor]

“Oh I recast dots in vendetta to snapshot”

[low girder]

i don't even remember what that quote is in reference to

lmao

[shell kettle]

didnt they do away with snapshotting in like.. cata?

[low girder]

oh, it was like syncing the final vendetta with an exsang or something

in nya'lotha

and yeah something like that

[shell kettle]

I just remember it being a huge fucking thing at one point and then it got nerfed to where the shit doesnt keep benefiting off the stat bonusses if the stat bonusses themselves fall off

Because in a long lost past you could just reapply dots if you will at .1 left on your potion and they'd keep the stat benefit for the full duration

[balmy condor]

Indeed

[kind talon]

@low girder

do i actually dot the phoenixes

[low girder]

lmfao

[kind talon]

i tried and it cucked me

[low girder]

idk

[kind talon]

[low girder]

i never tried

i was joking

[kind talon]

i tried to

legit

and it

put me

overt a sea of fire

from the raid

[low girder]

oops

[mighty bolt]

I love mashing buttons and being useful

It’s like playing OL but u don’t have to look that much at what buttons u smashing

[wary ice]

Depends on your strategy. Most guilds just cc them and dotting will fuck that

[kind talon]

ye

as i have realized after careful trial and error

its not worth the risk on prog

[slim owl]

hello, noob attempting to learn assassination. about to make the single target leggo, what stats does assassin put on there

[drifting cloud]

crit haste

[slim owl]

cool thank you

[unborn eagle]

crit/mast

[balmy condor]

[unborn eagle]

you not cool unless you crit/mast

[strange python]

Yo can I say right

Love you guys

Other class discord’s are not as chill as you boiz and gLz

[strange python]

Stop being toxic

Let the guy stack mastery till his insta p is novachock

[unborn eagle]

i do way more pluses then raid and if u sim for aoe it is cr4it/mast actually

[drifting cloud]

and he asked for st

[unborn eagle]

let a troll troll damn\

[echo estuary]

Kinda mean to bait someone into putting the wrong stats on their leggo :<

[stoic needle]

i am the 2nd biggest mastery stan on the server and even i dont do that

[unborn eagle]

he got the community figure response then the peanut gallery response which would you go for

[balmy condor]

Vers/mast on your Next Lego or no Balls

[echo estuary]

Done

Gonna make sure its a leggo that's not even used too

And use it

[balmy condor]

Tiny toxic

[stoic needle]

crit mastery doomspike or you're literally trolling

[balmy condor]

Wait are you fae?

[echo estuary]

Venth

[balmy condor]

Fuck

Imagine a vers/mast fae lego

Oh god that would be cursed

[stoic needle]

[unborn eagle]

necro or go home

[stoic needle]

[shell kettle]

I put haste vers on my doomblade

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[echo estuary]

Give me a few weeks and I'll get a screen shot of verse/mast bad leggo in a raid for ya

[balmy condor]

Haste Vers and haste crit are virtually identical

[shell kettle]

I suppose in the grand scheme of things it hardly matters aye

[echo estuary]

How much dps do rogues actually get from leggo anyways?

[unborn eagle]

in all honesty if u are worrying about a .15 difference it really doesnt matter

[shell kettle]

the actual effect, a lot.. the stats, moderate :p

class has a history of shit scaling with stats tbh

[unborn eagle]

wtb crit/haster neck

[shell kettle]

But so do most melee i suppose since we actually use our weapons and dont just eat stats to make our pewpew do more dewdew

[unborn eagle]

agi>all

[heavy trail]

hate waiting an hour to get into a M+ group despite being qualified... some folks are just lazy and want it to be easy i suppose

[shell kettle]

I mean honestly dude its mostly just there being a gazillion other dps to pick from

[balmy condor]

You’ve activated my trap card

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-glasses-stare-glasses-gif-15313333

Have you checked

THE PINS

[ruby birch]

OH NO

THE PINS

[stoic needle]

[heavy trail]

@shell kettle The high IO crowd tends to pick only high IO folks even for keys that I have timed.... but perhaps I am just sensitive. i get that there's a ton of dps however I am specifically talking about groups that sit waiting for the faceroll 220 for 8-10s 🙂

[unborn eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/cocopins-dave-chappelle-gif-11273171

[heavy trail]

I guess I don't blame them to a certain extent...

[balmy condor]

Career? Ended
Vertebrae? Shattered
AoT? Shit ending
Hotel? Trivago

[unborn eagle]

i need ksm for my 8-10s

[ruby birch]

AoT had a beautiful ending

[shell kettle]

I mean thats just how the world is right?

If i list a 15 with my main at 2k+ i dont pick 1300 folks either when i get 2200 folks signing up

[ruby birch]

🐦

🕊️

[balmy condor]

🥄

[mighty bolt]

No spoilers pls I thought it was a safe discord 😩

[ruby birch]

Dw there won't be any

[mighty bolt]

Love u guys

[balmy condor]

For now

[ruby birch]

🕊️

[balmy condor]

[mighty bolt]

Yesterday wanted to look 1st of last season

[heavy trail]

I guess I need to make some friends haha 🙂

[mighty bolt]

Net went down on opening

[stoic needle]

yeah people wan tto get carried

[mighty bolt]

So time to sleep no AoT for me

[stoic needle]

you really have to just put your own group together unfortunately

you can downgrade your own key if it gets too high for you to complete

[heavy trail]

Ill be honest, I don'tt want to join groups to do keys that people haven't done that much either. It t ends to end not so well

[shell kettle]

Making friends is the best way to play the game by a mile anyway 😉

[unborn eagle]

can i get carried im only 1540

[ruby birch]

1540 in what

[unborn eagle]

io

[ruby birch]

Just push your own keys

[mighty bolt]

Tbh I’m one of those guys that doesn’t pick “low rio” for my weeklys just because I want to finish ASAP and don’t step a m+ till next reset

And getting big ass people looking for the same feels good for me

[ruby birch]

I have a big ass

[shell kettle]

Sure, take a 20 boost on a forti week for 2 million gold

[ruby birch]

I understand the feels

[unborn eagle]

i only do ass

2 mil but i did a 18 this week why so much

[heavy trail]

I don't blame folks for wanting to take people who have done stuff but for low keys that folks have +2ed it's sometimes just a bit frustrating / ridic but as I mentioned, it makes sense especially if there's a large amount of dps applying. Just feels bad man 🙂

[shell kettle]

There is still a big fucking difference between someone that has 2k+ io exp and someone at 1500. Even if they can both time it, youll just have less of a headache playing with people that play the game at the same level that you do

[mighty bolt]

It also happens in the other way

I’m 2.1 on my rogue and got a hpal alter just for fun

People trying to ksm invite me to party’s and then blame me because im bad I heal low I low dps

[final fossil]

I swear daggers don't exist

[heavy trail]

Well I am just doing baby stuff for now 🙂

[mighty bolt]

When they are literally taking all the avoidable damage in the world

[shell kettle]

yes 😂

[mighty bolt]

But you 2.1 on dps go back to dps u can’t heal

Last time I Heard this was from a prot warr who didn’t wanted to move on muehzala smash

“I can’t dodge that”

[shell kettle]

I am tank, you move!

[stoic needle]

yeah i mean if i'm doing a low key i specifically invite whoever because i know i can carry them and peoples alts deserve to do keys too 😤

[mighty bolt]

I take Alts for keys based on main score

Always

Ofc not to push keys, but for anything 2-15

[heavy trail]

@stoic needle I have a 11 SD will try that later 🙂

[ruby birch]

I always do lowkeys and invite people who have low io or seem new

[torn atlas]

I've been burned several times taking alts who are geared with a high R.io main, only for them to be absolute dumpster.

[ruby birch]

Help the newbies

[mighty bolt]

U guys are the real heroes

[ruby birch]

No

I'm just a decent human being

[stoic needle]

yea

[mighty bolt]

I did that on bfa

[stoic needle]

like i've done timed 15s with 1 literally afk person

[mighty bolt]

But I feel m+ that bored now

[stoic needle]

i can afford to help somebody out when im farming valor

[mighty bolt]

That I just want to end it ASAP

[shell kettle]

I have a dps alt in 202 rn, 15's are no problem at all as long as me just about carrying my own weight suffices. As soon as I have to account for other peoples shittery, its gonna get hard

[balmy condor]

Under no circumstances will we be doing that sir this is a business we exploit the weak

[shell kettle]

😂

[stoic needle]

smh

capitalists ruining everything

[torn atlas]

I've also been invited to groups as my monk probably based off my rogues r.io and completely shit the bed.

[mighty bolt]

It’s fine I’ve also did shit with my rogue on a 15 with 2.1k rio

[shell kettle]

I mean it would be advisable to at least procure some knowledge about the spec you're gonna be playing before doing like challenging keys for your gearlevel 😅

[mighty bolt]

U can have a bad run

[heavy trail]

Just do DOS 47 times in a few days and you get somewhat better 🙂

[mighty bolt]

But u still know the basis on the dungeons

[unborn eagle]

all my runs are bad 😄

[ruby birch]

Ofc, phial dropped for a newbie? "I'll power that up for you buddy", then you take it and leave

[old depot]

legs or feet zoldycks? feet?

[ruby birch]

Legs

[old depot]

o ok

[balmy condor]

Legs or you got some weird kinks

[stoic needle]

feet will be better in 9.1

[ruby birch]

Thighs>feet

[mighty bolt]

I hope shoulders are the good choice for doomblade on 9.1 🙄

[old depot]

i got 226 legs and feet already, still legs?

[balmy condor]

Shoulder doombladers

[balmy condor]

Yes

[shell kettle]

i swear to god if they're gonna make me craft another doomblade im gonna scream

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

“Shoulders will be good in 9.1”

[mighty bolt]

I was benched on SLG and swapped to assa for sire

[stoic needle]

they aren't

[balmy condor]

Maybe 9.2?

[shell kettle]

I was recruited specifically for SLG

[stoic needle]

[shell kettle]

ok maybe not specifically but i did start there after not raiding for 2 months 😅

[mighty bolt]

Okay so I’m fucked

[torn atlas]

I already hate the fact I crafted 6 different rogue legendaries.

[stoic needle]

shoulder doomblade crafters

[heavy trail]

Why would it matter for shoulders or not? I am about to craft my first doomblade

[mighty bolt]

5 here

[stoic needle]

because there are higher ilvl shoulders avaialble

but no higher ilvl gloves

from the end bosses of the tier

this trend continues into 9.1

[shell kettle]

because SLG drops high ilvl shoulders

[stoic needle]

similarly, there are high ilvl pants, but not boots

[heavy trail]

i see ...

[mighty bolt]

If u not planning to do mm raid u don’t need to care

[stoic needle]

hence boots being slightly better for zoldyck for 9.1

[shell kettle]

not last 2 bosses, anyway

[mighty bolt]

So my best move is skip raiding? KEKW

[stoic needle]

[mighty bolt]

When I did doomblade ONLY for raiding 😂

Fuck my life

[shell kettle]

what he meant was mythic mode, it only matters if you're doing mythic last bosses. If you're clearing hc but never clearing mythic.. it literally matters nothing

[ruby birch]

What about sicko mode

[shell kettle]

Or well, there might be an argument for stat optimization but i havnt looked that far :p

[mighty bolt]

Not on doomblade

[ruby birch]

Shoulders and gloves are same stats

[mighty bolt]

Stats are the same

[shell kettle]

good

[ruby birch]

If you're not going to be killing SLG

Or the last 2 for 9.1

[torn atlas]

I crafted gloves with the expectation of us at least starting mythic. Then out guild almost imploded on hc sire prog and half the raid team quit til next tier.

[ruby birch]

Or the last 2 for 9.2

[shell kettle]

I got 226 recuperator from slg

can never die now

[ruby birch]

Or the last 2 for 9.3 (if there is one)

Then you can go shoulders

[mighty bolt]

So, soul ash will be a thing on 9.1?

[shell kettle]

hope not, fuck torghast and fuck the maw

[mighty bolt]

If I have to go thorgast for a glove doomblade, I feel quitting rogue

Also have 2 sub leggos and I hate sub 😦

[stoic needle]

yes it will

soul ash isn't going away

but the higher ranks of leggos don't need it, they need a crafting item instead

[mighty bolt]

Zzzz

[shell kettle]

I have 0 sub leggos because i expected sub to plummet

[mighty bolt]

Big brain

[stoic needle]

same

[shell kettle]

I did however craft 2 celerities, 1 on shoulder and 1 on ring XD

[mighty bolt]

It’s fine cele rules

[frigid kestrel]

2 x Sub leggos R4
2 x Sin leggos R4
1 x OL leggo R2 (moment of weakness, never used it)
1 x MA R1

It’s been a hell of an xpac

But, I can finally save soul ash now

[shell kettle]

I havnt kept up with clearing torghast every week

don't have the heart to do it even if its max 30 minutes of work

[frigid kestrel]

6 leggos, 2 specs, and 3 covenants later and I’m finally comfortable

[woeful carbon]

where in the MA opener would i put flagellation?

[mighty bolt]

MA R4
Cele R4
Finality R2
The rotten R1
Doomblade on shoulders R4 😞
I just want thorgast to disappear

[balmy condor]

Before rup

[woeful carbon]

thanks

[balmy condor]

No problem

[frigid kestrel]

I was going to R4 my MA this week for PVP....... but 9.1 spat in my face so I’m just saving ash now

[mighty bolt]

I’ve only swapped from NF to NL and expect they are the good choice for 9.1

[shell kettle]

id much rather spend half my nights talking to completely random people on the internet about entirely unimportant matters

humans can be strange beings, me well included

[mighty bolt]

U can do this while being lazy on the chair or bed but u have to put attention for the shitty thorgast

[shell kettle]

error 404, could not find the required attention

[mighty bolt]

Do u also feel thorgast like horrific visions in bfa? It was nice the 2-3 first weeks but then becomes just boring

And visions at least granted u gear

[kind talon]

can details show

boss dmg?

prio dmg to shade

or no

nvm ill look at livelogs

[mighty bolt]

Enemy damage taken

[kind talon]

dmg to shade

[mighty bolt]

But not to shield (or idk how to do it)

[kind talon]

[balmy condor]

You can check damage taken absorbs only or something to that effect

Or just limit the time to the shield

Lots of ways to go about it

[shell kettle]

I didnt bfa man

Hard passed on that one

[mighty bolt]

I started there and enjoyed m+ way more in SL

Rest was like meh

[shell kettle]

Ive played the game on and off since 2008 :p

[mighty bolt]

I used to hate wow

Since I started to play now only can hate all while I never stop playing

[shell kettle]

I mean the whole game is like a love/hate thing tbh

[mighty bolt]

Kind of

[kind talon]

wait how

idk how

[balmy condor]

How what

[kind talon]

filter absorbed damage

<0

or whatever

[balmy condor]

Oh no idea I don’t filter often

[proper halo]

in castle nathria the rats that do thge debuf can that be cloaked?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[proper halo]

okay i must hagve cloaked then tried again after the first time

[balmy condor]

Alternatively, mysteriously say “brb bio” and then wait for the ranged to finish the trash

[proper halo]

lol im gonna do that next week

[kind talon]

it wont let me

filter???

like i cant pin idk

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

its fine

im pumping big boi numbas

[heavy trail]

nice timed that PF so should get accepted to higher ones... it's weird I find last boss in PF easy if I am not pushing keys but when I am, I get nervous. Yikes... what a fuck up lol

[balmy condor]

Happens

Sometimes you Tunnel hard and get slapped by the tentacles

Just gotta breathe tbh

[heavy trail]

Sometimes I find if you close the edge / lip of the pool even if you seem safe, you get whacked

The moving patterns are the worse cuz it's hard to SBS / dot the smaller adds which can start to pile up

[full tendon]

Just be overly cautious and stay a full or 1.5 tent away from the edge

[heavy trail]

Yeah just gotta avoid the sweaty hands sorta nervous crap I get on that dungeon at the end lol... well..sometimes lol

[full tendon]

It's for whatever reason based more on where the slime is after the slam than what you think it should be with the tent

[kind talon]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[frigid kestrel]

And then there are times you get slapped by tentacles even when your not by them

[balmy condor]

You’re standing in some shit homeboy

[gloomy knoll]

how many vendettas into shade was that @kind talon

[kind talon]

2

[gloomy knoll]

beat you with 1 vend

but grats bud

puttin in that light work

[kind talon]

im sure u did

wait

idk if u did

how do i check

is that shade dmg esra?

overall or absorb?

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[kind talon]

i did 900k

[gloomy knoll]

overall

oh wait

you did beat me

[kind talon]

xd

get fucked

idiot

[drifting cloud]

2.8k shade dps

[gloomy knoll]

poggers

that was my rank 1 pull

i was padding out of my mind

think i vendettad a stone boi

and the dude at the start

xd

[wary ice]

idt u got slapped.

[balmy condor]

^

[gloomy knoll]

[kind talon]

gj esra

trolling

[gloomy knoll]

hey next week i went outlaw and played seriously ok

[frigid kestrel]

Ahh green pools = Tendi

Learn something new everyday

[gloomy knoll]

the green pool literally just kills you

what

and you still in the way of a tendy

so you double dead

[frigid kestrel]

Na I wasn’t in the way of them

The tendi was far away, I’ll dump the clip whenever I stop being lazy and go downstairs

[supple compass]

If I’m jump starting gear from the conq vendor for pve, do you guys think I should go with haste vers or crit vers

[balmy condor]

Ideally probably a mixture

[supple compass]

Would you mix still even though if I split it’ll be a lot less of both since vers is the main stat on all pvp gear

[balmy condor]

I mean at the end of the day, I’m just gonna tell you to sim yourself

But hard stacking 1 stat is never the answer for sin

[restive dawn]

Hello! I read that the recommended soulbind for Necrolord is Heirmir but Emeni with two potency conduits is simming very slightly better for my gear currently. Would I just go with Emeni then based on sims or is there a particular reason I should stick with Heirmir?

[supple compass]

@balmy condor ya I guess I’ll just run a droptimizer

Are either of the two pvp trinks decent stand ins till phial

[balmy condor]

Not really

[balmy condor]

Nah, you can go emeni if you want

I find it very surprising that it’s simming higher

But if that’s what the sim says

[restive dawn]

Cool cool. Thanks heaps for the reply!

[balmy condor]

Np

[icy ember]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kikLp5xNRKEbp5L7GufyFq

here it claims deeper strat is better for me

is this right?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[frigid kestrel]

I’ve been afraid to sim since my cov swap. I’m afraid I won’t sim 7k no more

[balmy condor]

Imagine me not having a pin for something

Foolish mortals

[heavy trail]

Kinda of cool (in a bad way) when you time a m+ as the only guy alive with the death walk ability from the NL third soulbind 🙂

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

[hazy crater]

mage ruined our first denathrius kill by blocking in the end

otherwise I would have been the only one alive with heirmir proc

[torn atlas]

Yeah we had a darkvein kill this week where we technically wiped at 1% but our DK and myself snagged the kill after proccing Heirmirs 10s after death ability.

We also had a Sire clear about a month ago where our Tank was 1v1 and died at about 40k health left. The tanks venthyr ability activated that exploded his dead body and got the kill.

[merry comet]

yo guys going denathrius mythic on my rogue alt. is there any cheesy plays aka stuff u can immune with cloak/evasion?

[drifting cloud]

blood price, massacres but only in p2

evasion doesnt do shit

[viral vigil]

😌 finally downed Heroic Denny tonight

[spice spire]

Huge grats

[quiet valley]

Second sinful in p3 is pretty nice to cloak and step on another melee when knocked. Other than that i use it if i need for uptime in p2

[oak cypress]

wait u can cloak p2 massacres but not p3?

[limber lion]

Yes

[oak cypress]

weird but good to know

about to take my rogue into heroic sire re-clear tuesday and glad i know that now

[limber lion]

No, that's only on mythic

[oak cypress]

oh wait really?

[limber lion]

On heroic it works still in p3

[oak cypress]

wth blizzard

[quiet valley]

Actually didnt know that either :0 lucky i still dodged them i guess

[limber lion]

That's probably because of the mirror realm you go to on mythic.

[oak cypress]

ooooh yeah i wont ever see mythic sire in my current guild but still interesting

[balmy condor]

Cev woke up

[spice spire]

Imagine sleeping

[limber lion]

[wary ice]

Speaking of when do you sleep :(

[balmy condor]

Never

[sly flare]

Hey all, I have a burning question regarding CDs on Sludgefist. Should I hold my burst CDs for first pillar, or burst on pull and then every pillar they’re up after that? I’ve been healing for most of this tier but want to break into my rogue more and wondered what was best 🤔

[balmy condor]

How many pillars you doing

Mythic doing 4?

[sly flare]

My guild is progressing through Heroic atm, a little behind the curve 😅 Using all 4 at this stage

[balmy condor]

Pull/2/4 lust on 4

[sly flare]

Perfect, I saw something similar for Arc mages, but saw rogue guides say save for 1st pillar and wondered why. This makes more sense!

Thanks heaps 😌

[balmy condor]

If you do 3 pillars you would 1/3

[sly flare]

I’ll have to keep that in mind! I appreciate the info 🙂

[balmy condor]

Np hope it goes well

[tired thistle]

So oils or stones how do you even sim that effectively?

[torn atlas]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[tired thistle]

Awesome thank you

[dark crag]

Are 3 pillar even doable in mythic?

[final star]

No

the fastest kill so far is 04:28

but if you have a raid of 99 parser only

maybe possible

[pliant apex]

how do i make macro to kick focus target

[tulip nacelle]

/cast [@focus] kick

[pliant apex]

so just press that macro button when a targets already focus

coz on cleave dummies i cant tell, my kick ui shows kicking the target im hitting, not focus

[tulip nacelle]

this only works on a focus target, it shouldn't kick current target if you have no focus

[pliant apex]

thanks working perfectly now

[winter gale]

EP+Vigor is ok for Sire progress?

I saw some ppl playing it even though they are Venthyr and BS+DS sims higher*

[warm parcel]

Were those you looked at proging or farming

As id just take exe dmg for first kill

[winter gale]

Watched some videos of 1st kills etc

I will stick with whats best*

[warm parcel]

Ep vig doom is going to likely be more overall

But bs/zold are going to give you more burn for p3

We talking sire chief

[limber lion]

Reeeeeee

What is wrong with me

[warm parcel]

[limber lion]

Pls help

I need medical attention

[warm parcel]

But ye sludge id agree

[limber lion]

Deleting that out of shame. Carry on boys.

[warm parcel]

Its all fine

[pliant apex]

elaborate plannign better on inerva mythic even with nightfae and MA?

or elaborate talent only with venthyr?

can someone check a parse for me please.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f7rxPA21BqMpDKJv#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

[winter gale]

For Sire I should sim patchwerk or?

[compact pumice]

You should try to do more damage to shields. I am usually doing the most damage to shields of the whole raid, with all CD's into first one and then a pooled shiv burst window into the next one. Same with the last phase.

[heavy trail]

Sanguine Depths a lot of chain pulls result in damage loss overall I suppose. Also I had a WW about 210 or so do almost 6k overall damage. I can't lie because he was completely ignoring bolstering (and wiped the group once) I stopped doing most AOE since stuff died so fast and just focused on priority damage.. I beat him on single target boss fights 3/4 so it wasn't too bad (I am 201)

I guess not going to compete that well on overall with a WW that does that right 🙂 I admit I kinda of sacrificed some fluff so we didn't wipe again....but still I am competitive hah

[winter gale]

Spectral+Feast and Oil/Stone is common result for !oil ?

Patchwerk*

Up until now I am always stone/stone but now this minor upgrade of 0.2% says oil/stone.

[compact pumice]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[compact pumice]

You either go Stone Stone Spectral or Oil Stone Phantom Fire

It's minor however you do it. Though Stone Stone Spectral should win on aoe if you are popping pots on aoe parts of the fight.

[winter gale]

Ty m8

All the answers 😄

[oak cypress]

so in a big AoE pull, i pretty much dont touch envenom? just keep tab targetting and applying rupture/

provided theyll livel ong enough for rup to matter ofc

[heavy trail]

I like to use one oil and one stone simply cuz there's a CD on oil lol

[compact pumice]

You can sim Patchwerk for the single target parts. But I would be wary of basing all my decisions as if it's only a ST fight, because it isn't. You will do more damage in P2 (and P1) with a talent like CT

[heavy trail]

How much trouble am I going to have trying for that serpent mount at 202 ?

[compact pumice]

If everything around you that will live long enough for their 3 debuffs to stay on then you should envenom.

[heavy trail]

probably a lot since it seems the 220 guys on youtube seem to have to consumable up a bit

[oak cypress]

do i try to apply garrote to everything? given it has a cd or just apply it to whatever target im on to apply rupture to hwne it comes off cd?

[heavy trail]

Apparently no matter what you only use CT at 5 CP and only to maintain the dot otherwise it's trying to land rup/g/sbs though sometimes it's tough since stuff will die so fast so gotta make some decisions 🙂

[compact pumice]

It seemed annoying to try 3rd boss on rogue so after one try I just went on my brewmaster so I don't know how hard it is to try to burst it down.

[heavy trail]

I am sure it's easy on a tank hmm 🙂 ?

[compact pumice]

Yeah apply garrote on CD

[oak cypress]

ok thank you 😄 much appreciated

[compact pumice]

Yeah it's faceroll

[heavy trail]

Also try to time your vanish or melds to be able to get 3 empowered garrotes off as well

[compact pumice]

Well maybe not on prot warr

but Asmongold did it so it can't be that hard

[heavy trail]

I dont think meld works on bosses but it sure does work well on trash as long as you are not too close to not be able to get stealth off

[oak cypress]

yeah im Belf sadly, but i do use vanish to get more empowered garrotes unless im fixing to be at boss shortly

[heavy trail]

So if a tank pulls 2 packs you can garrote 3, either vanish/meld then garrote the new pack it's pretty nice though I still hate tanks that gimp our damage a bit like that 🙂

@oak cypress If you check back a few days I linked some WA that can can help with tracking and stuff. Just FYI 🙂

My brother wants me to level a horde rogue but once you get used to having meld it's incredibly hard to give that up

[oak cypress]

yeah ill look, doing the AoE on sin rogue im finding it quite a bit harder than the ST 😄

[compact pumice]

Alliance has better racials but it's a quite a bit of a smaller community

[heavy trail]

There's a set that will track your empowered stuff ; I didn't use all of it but it's nice for my gs where the text is green and white if empowered/not

[oak cypress]

in trash pulls i should throw flag on the priority target right?

[compact pumice]

Yeah

[heavy trail]

Well arcane torrent is't bad but meld can not only help in pve but zomg you can meld sap, meld cheap,meld reopen on rogues and turn it around on them so fast. I dumped this 210 sub rogue ganking people outside of NL home base yesterday it was beautiful.

[compact pumice]

Meld is basically a second vanish. Which is insanely good

[heavy trail]

Yeah for flag always and if you are using the one that has the ST extra damage make sure you track that so you know which one it is so you don't mess up when tabbing to add dots, etc.

Can't lie though in m+, being a NL adds a completely new dynamic to the spec with SBS. I was venthyr and swapped a week ago or so.

[oak cypress]

yeah

im prob gonna swap to NL come 9.1

just i like flag i like the haste buff on ST and i made this rogue primarily for raiding

found those WA's though ima try em out in my ToP fixign to do

[frigid kestrel]

Im with Ral, SBS in M+ feels refreshing VS the Flag and Sepsis that i was using before

although Flag does hit like a fucking truck and feels great in raid. I only swapped because im doing more M+ then raiding. We only raid 2 days a week and DPS isnt the issue on Mythic Sludge so dropping 200 or so DPS aint a biggie

[heavy trail]

@frigid kestrel Not just the damage, but it's more fun 🙂 Lol

[frigid kestrel]

Hence me using Refreshing vs more damage

im legit on the same page as ya bud

[brazen rampart]

What's a good way to only show garrote and rupture next to the boss frames? Is there a weakaura for it?

[mighty owl]

If you get an add on for unit frames you should be able to configure it through there as well

[brazen rampart]

You mean like with debuff filters in elvui?

[heavy trail]

I use KUI nameplates and it will do just that

you can filter out what you want or white list ; very configurable

I took out all stuns since I track that with big debuffs and a separate WA for multi target stuff. so that only my dots are on the target

[mighty owl]

Boss frames are different tho, I don’t use elvui but there should be a place to configure that there

[pliant apex]

Can someone please analyse mythic inerva log for me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/knockemstiff#boss=2406

Didn’t think I did much wrong yet grey Parse, bottom of guild dmg

[brazen rampart]

Yeah I use kui too and can see the bleeds there, but I'm doing donny prog now and tracking ruptures on the boss and remornia was kinda hard with them porting around everywhere

[heavy trail]

on my main UI i have rupture tracked by saturation if its up on target its showing the time and saturated othewise desat not perfect but OK

[uncut bobcat]

what piece do you craft zoldyck on

[brazen rampart]

Pants

[austere grove]

Hi all, if i only do m+ never raid, which leggo should i go?

[limber lion]

Zoldyck

[thorny pond]

Zolds is a good bet

[austere grove]

thankyou

[thorny pond]

Or MA if you play other specs

[austere grove]

i play some outlaw, but not too much

i dont really pvp

[brazen rampart]

MA is just generally good. It's not pvp only

[austere grove]

okay, i'll look at zolds & Ma then, ty

[spice lotus]

9.1 what’s the best covenant choice looking like? I’m hearing switch to neclo

[halcyon zealot]

too early to tell

necro looks strong for m+, hard to say with venthyr since the leggo was so bugged

[stoic needle]

You use evenom to refresh SnD but that's about it

[stoic needle]

In general you will never be able to compete with windwalker monks on overall if they're competent... They're just built different. They can burst for like 40k on a 5 mob trash pack it's actually ridiculous

[stoic needle]

Use agi pots and stones instead of phantom fire

Also you didn't dps the adds at all

You should put up a low cp Rupture on the small ones and a gar+ Rupture on the large ones

[hollow robin]

For any necrolord players here, is there a good plater addon/wa string i can use to make it more obvious when targets have bone spike on them

or for general dot tracking on nameplates

my current one are a whitelist mess and not sure how to mess with it

[honest rain]

did anyone tested which souldbind delivers most dps in 9.1?

is it still the bonesmith?

[trail thunder]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

In general simming yourself is the recommended way to determine stat weights.
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simulation.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

This mod is built into plater and will let you do it

[hollow robin]

perfect, ty

[compact pumice]

A few things: you didn’t get off a shiv in the third vendetta, you could’ve used a second potion, you didn’t do any damage to the adds (you can at least get off a full garrote + rupture + poison on the big dude which is great for energy regen), I haven’t played NF assa but I would think you time the end of sepsis with shiv whenever possible. Haven’t checked much deeper

[halcyon zealot]

plater is so to me

i gotta take an afternoon one of these days and set a profile up

[compact pumice]

I just took a profile off wago.io

And then tweaked it with what was missing

But that came way later

[scenic meteor]

anyone know if poison bomb is better for single target over crimson

[halcyon zealot]

it is

CT starts gaining value on 2+ targets and when you have a lot of movement

[scenic meteor]

ok cheers

[halcyon zealot]

np

[scenic meteor]

im raiding tonight so just chekcing

[halcyon zealot]

i used CT on sire last night in a heroic fun run and it actually felt quite nice, EP, MA, Vigor, CT -- it did a substaintial amount of damage too

and i was DEFINITELY playing it wrong cuz we had 1 pull, but it felt good

[limber lion]

Yep, CT is great on Sire.

[oak cypress]

is it worth it casting CT on sire in P3 since its ST then?

[tulip nacelle]

should be if you're running zold

probably outside of shiv

[limber lion]

Yes, outside of Shiv windows. Regardless of legendary.

[oak cypress]

ok thank you

[restive bluff]

Potion of Phantom fire or Agility on Sludgefist?

[limber lion]

Agility.

[winter gale]

Is there any wa or something that shows am I inside cleansing pain cone?

[shell kettle]

I doubt it, it would have to check a condition that isn't presently available

At best you could make one that would quickly tell you if you did or didn't get hit.. but i mean, at that point it kind of defeats the purpose

[winter gale]

Wa for the stacks will tell me that. I will just need to minmax that area more. I still feel that call for a grip is better than clippin other ppl but since it was me few times I need to work around place a bit more.

Raid is soon, Im still deciding should I go Vigor or EP

Vigor or DS*

[tulip nacelle]

you should go stand in the area asap so you don't have to find a place at the last second

[winter gale]

DS sims better, can play it but Vigor feels better

[tulip nacelle]

no way you don't get cleansed that way

[shell kettle]

Yeah moving last second creates all kind of logistical issues. You need to be prepared and already be in front before he is even casting tbh

[austere grove]

anyone got a link to a good plater profile ?

[winter gale]

@tulip nacelle Its always that last cleansing pain before intermission and somehow boss is close AF to the wall, camera angle+grp fucks me a bit and I am afraid of grping up. Im aware its personal thing, I need to adjust more

[tulip nacelle]

try to tell your tanks then, if they can get more space

[winter gale]

We talked already, they will do their part

[tulip nacelle]

gl then

[shell kettle]

I mean if you need more space and you're not getting that, that's out of your hands man

[fallen arch]

I hate it when they tank Sire too close to the wall

Not that necessary either

[winter gale]

Dunno tbh as I never tanked it

[fallen arch]

I think it’s because then the adds will probably be more stacked/spawn closer?

[tulip nacelle]

they probably don't have a movement ability up and got blood priced into the wall so they don't have enough time to create space before he starts casting

[exotic notch]

Guys i know this has been asked a billion times, what piece to craft zoldycks on and what missives?

[honest silo]

I went legs, haste/crit

[fallen current]

[hollow escarp]

tyranical week

don't ask what happened with the 20 key

[echo estuary]

what happened with the 20 key?

[solar hare]

Unholy things

[olive bear]

when should i be using shadow oil vs sharpening stones?

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[echo estuary]

out of the corner of my eye I thought u said loli and it didnt make sense to me

[halcyon zealot]

bro if you so much as zone into SD on tyran weeks i got some serious questions about ur mental health

[balmy condor]

[echo estuary]

LOL as a fresh rogue I laugh at myself every time I wake up in the morning and log on to start playing and forget about my poisons.

I should prolly get a WA for that huh xD

[balmy condor]

usually a sign :P

[echo estuary]

same thing happened on my dk when trying to use DT lmao

what bleeds/poisons do you keep as showing on plater? Need to blacklist a lot of stuff but figuring garrote rupture and crim temp dots are really the important ones I need to pay attention to since my poisons kinda just naturally end up on the targs.

[balmy condor]

gar rup crim is really all you need

[echo estuary]

been meaning to go through and clean it up but been too lazy/didnt wanna stop the renown grind to go through it lol

[slow marsh]

And SBS

[stoic needle]

My blacklist:
Doomblade dot
Celestial guidance
Sinful revelation
Mind numbing poison

[balmy condor]

that's similar to mine, I don't track poisons either anymore I think

[stoic needle]

I feel like it's slightly important to track but maybe not

[limber lion]

My blacklist is quite a bit bigger

[stoic needle]

Crippling is staying though, too many times I've tried to walk by a spiteful that wasn't crippled and gotten slapped

[wide bolt]

only time ive dedicated brain power to poisons is sustained 2T cleave like huntsman

OR council where you 2T cleave to up ST

and have to maintain deadly

[balmy condor]

yeah

[pliant apex]

Can someone please analyse mythic inerva log for me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/knockemstiff#boss=2406

Grey parse , don’t think I messed up much

[stoic needle]

What else do you have on it?

[undone eagle]

smart way is to farm 10 dungeons only plaguefall so u have a chance in 3 slots to get phial??

[balmy condor]

vault doesn't work like that

you get random items

[undone eagle]

from all 8 dungeons?

[balmy condor]

yes

[undone eagle]

dafuq i never realized

thats super rare to get then yikesss

[stoic needle]

Yikes indeed

please rngesus give me a crit/mastery ring in vault on Tuesday

[echo estuary]

thanks for blacklist help lol

[cerulean nest]

how can I blacklist these in elvui?

[stoic needle]

Elvui has some kind of filtering but I don't use elv nameplates because they suck

[cerulean nest]

oh you meant on nameplates

i dont either, i use Kui

i meant on aura bars

[stoic needle]

Aura bars?

[cerulean nest]

like above my target unit frame

[stoic needle]

Do you mean unit frames?

[cerulean nest]

yeah

[stoic needle]

Yeah elv lets you filter those too but I don't bother

[limber lion]

Ah can't remember from the top of my head, but stuff like MfD, Dauntless Duelist etc.

I don't track Crippling either tbh

[cerulean nest]

about to start council prog. what should deadly be maintained on?

[limber lion]

Pretty much only track gar/rup/ct/deadly

[wide bolt]

you maintain garrote and rupture on a second council member for energy. So you want to make sure you have deadly on the second target so you get the energy refund from venomous wounds

if your venthyr running nadjia's dauntless duelist soulbind then you want to make sure that second target is the next council member your planning on killing

[cerulean nest]

and that just means waiting for it to proc and then dumping envenoms into the main target?

[wide bolt]

not really waiting you can just occasionally auto it and watch the deadly poison debuff refresh

[cerulean nest]

for sure

[wide bolt]

sometimes when reapplying gar/rupt itll naturally reapply but other times it wont

just something to track

[cerulean nest]

do you swap to the attendant? like is it worth it to have your bleeds tick like once or twice on it?>

[wide bolt]

ill mut it occasionally or if i have full cps and dont need to refresh rupture on either boss then ill envenom but theres more than likely a ton of better classes in your raid to handle that

[cerulean nest]

gotcha ty

how about cd timings btw? should i be holding for anything specific?

[limber lion]

As long as you get the full value out of them.

Using Vendetta on Stavros when he's at 5% isn't probably the best choice.

[cerulean nest]

yeah that I couldve guessed lol

[wide bolt]

really depends on your dps which youll figure out during prog. assuming your doing things similar to my guild Frieda > Stav> Niklaus. and your're lusting as soon as Nik is the last one left alive. Then really the big thing is to save Vendetta and flag for when you lust

with my guild that meant not popping vendetta or flag once stav hit 50% otherwise it wouldnt have been up in time to blast Nik with lust and second pots

[limber lion]

You'd be surprised by how many people forget to look at boss hp before pressing their CD's.

[wide bolt]

but again depends on your dps

[limber lion]

[median aurora]

boss hp + attendant shield

[cerulean nest]

alright yeah I'll feel it out

you recommend that order on prog? we're still deciding how we wanna approach it

[limber lion]

Yeah that's the usual order. Most guilds do Frieda - Stavros - Niklaus.

[wide bolt]

Yea I just followed what my raid lead told us to do. Was my first time progging with my current guild so I wasn't really there to help with strat lol

[restive bluff]

do u use weak aura to track Memory of past sins trinket?

[stoic needle]

No need

Just press it

[restive bluff]

if for example 5 ppl have it equipped the last one to use the trinket will deal more dmg?

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

Yes but it's not worth min maxing like that

Since all those classes will consume the stacks at a different rate

There's a good chance that everyone will get some of their procs boosted

[halcyon zealot]

when i was progging sludge, our "sins" ppl were using it pull/2/4 so personally i would hold mine for an extra global after i thought they used theirs, just to be a little unethical

idk if i got anyhthing from it tho

its so minor

[restive bluff]

we have 2 ppl using it,is it worth it or i use iqd on sludge mythic?

[wide bolt]

i believe you can set raidbots to sim and account for the number of people in your raid with it equipped

to get a basic comparison

[stoic needle]

Iqd is the best on use trinket

So yes it's worth it to use it over past sins

[gusty mirage]

Well now you’re just being disrespectful to the 233 dreadfire

[stoic needle]

The truth is not disrespectful

It's better than both

[gusty mirage]

It’s not the truth though

[stoic needle]

Yes it is

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

Iqd is better than 233 dreadfire

And past sins

[gusty mirage]

Where

Show me

[stoic needle]

In the sims

When you gear for crit

[halcyon zealot]

i refuse to loot an IQD

[gusty mirage]

Show me damnit

[stoic needle]

Iqd non-believers

[halcyon zealot]

i have it on my DK, i dont wanna go down that road on my rogue

[stoic needle]

@shy dust do you have the iqd vs dreadfire sim handy

[gusty mirage]

I’m not a non-believer, IQD is actually bis non-phial until you get your hands on a 233 dreadfire for assa

[halcyon zealot]

ima cozy 226 phial 226 hateful chain or 226 sins gamer atm

[stoic needle]

No like

[shy dust]

It’s a loss

[stoic needle]

It's better than dreadfire

[shy dust]

For necro profiles

It seems

But I don’t have the sims for venthyr on hand

Was always a gain for me if it gave crit

[gritty spoke]

what's a good wa for iqd? these stat ones are ok

[stoic needle]

I'm going to go sim it when I'm done eating

[gusty mirage]

Ty sir

I’m genuinely curious, and will eat my crow if I’m wrong

[limber lion]

Whatchu talking about?

IQD vs Dreadfire on Necro?

[gusty mirage]

233 dreadfire vs 226 IQD

[limber lion]

IQD is the champ on Venthyr.

[stoic needle]

Just iqd vs dread in general

[limber lion]

IQD + Phial is the best trinket combo for Venth.

[silent stratus]

how would you use CT if you are trying to pad in heroic sire?

always in the exact moment P1 adds spawn?

[halcyon zealot]

uh

[gusty mirage]

Just play hidden blades if you want to just pad phase 1

[limber lion]

Like you would on every fight. Keeping the bleed up on everything around you

[silent stratus]

they instantly die so idk how much value it brings

[halcyon zealot]

keep the dot up with 5cp outside of shiv windows

u gotta snipe em

[neon stone]

How do i open with necro cov?

[stoic needle]

Ct is more for p2

[limber lion]

With MA? SBS - SnD - Muti

[gusty mirage]

So it’s specific to venthyr then?

[stoic needle]

But still it's more damage than you'd do anyway

[neon stone]

With ma ya

[limber lion]

[silent stratus]

u mean compared to ST build in p2?

[stoic needle]

I bet it's pretty close

[wild hill]

yo guys im new with rouge

what should i start

[stoic needle]

Yes, in all the phases

[wild hill]

sun

[shy dust]

Necro profile

[wild hill]

or assa

[shy dust]

Doesn’t care for whatever stat is given by Iqd

[silent stratus]

I was #11 in P1 yesterday with CT build

[shy dust]

So it just consistently loses to dreadfire

[silent stratus]

so idk how useful is CT in p1

[gusty mirage]

Gotcha

[stoic needle]

It's still more damage than you'd do anyway in p1 and all the other phases of the fight

[silent stratus]

considering that ill do worst in p3 with CT build

[stoic needle]

No you won't

[silent stratus]

really?

[wild hill]

guys im new with rouge what should to start in arena im 1800 xp healer so sub or assa?

[silent stratus]

I'm just guessing, I have no idea

[stoic needle]

Yeah you won't

[gusty mirage]

PB kinda doo doo if there’s a lot of movement

Which there is in sire

[silent stratus]

I see it makes sense

[stoic needle]

And it's not that much of a dps boost even if there isn't movement

[shy dust]

#pvp

[halcyon zealot]

on a heroic sire i did with CT last night (alt/social run so its was scuffed with movement and positioning and all that) my p2 dps was 6.1k with 11% of it being from CT

[muted narwhal]

For playing with Dashing, do you still use Deadly Poison? Also, would you Rupture in aoe still or just spam Envenom and keep up Tempest bleed?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s close w/o movement too

[silent stratus]

and I believe for parsing heroic sire doom works better?

[shy dust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6RLfUwRNNWopDrYYe7VmLP @stoic needle

Like 20 dps down

[silent stratus]

just spamming knives during p1 adds?

any padding strats?

I guess not worth applying any bleed to them

[halcyon zealot]

no lol

[silent stratus]

bc their TTD is ~2 secs

[halcyon zealot]

do not try to bleed the sins adds

[stoic needle]

Yes you use deadly poison, and yes you rupture in aoe still. You don't really use dashing scoundrel with ct in any situations in the game atm(I'm assuming you're talking about mythic plus?) Because dashing and ct conflict with one another. Dashing wants high envenom uptime, but ct lowers your envenom uptime. It's not going to work well together until we have access to more crit on gear to get more cp to have good uptime on both abilities. And going PB is bad for aoe so it's just not a good idea to use dashing for situations where aoe really matters

[halcyon zealot]

fan and pump boss

fan to build while u can and dump env or refresh as u need to into sire

[stoic needle]

Fan > ct once, then fan into env

[muted narwhal]

@stoic needle My friend missed his chance to build Doomblade even though I told him to go get it. So I want him to have a legendary in the meantime. I advised with crafting Dashing since it's comparable in ST and decent in AoE.

Is there something else he should get?

[shy dust]

You can spam twisting corridors

Until you get the wing that drops your lego recipe

[stoic needle]

No, dashing is a great legendary, I'd say it's on par with doomblade because it doesn't have the ramp up time to do it's peak damage. But if he's doing aoe he should equip a different legendary like zoldyck

[shy dust]

Once you beat the first 6 levels you get the recipe drop

[wild hill]

@solar hare i feel rouge assa and sub need big gear for dmage bro

[muted narwhal]

@stoic needle Interested in raiding and ST

Though I would prio ST more

[solar hare]

[wild hill]

@solar hare i think rouge is the most hard calss in the game

[solar hare]

Definitely a high skill cap in pvp for sure

[stoic needle]

Dashing is fine for that

[muted narwhal]

Do the talent choices change at all? I only play Outlaw 😦

[stoic needle]

And in a raid situation its fine to go dashing/pb or dashing/ct on some fights

They don't really change between legendaries, but some talents are slightly more effective with other legendaries than others like CT

Currently at least

[muted narwhal]

So we're still taking CT with Dashing?

[stoic needle]

But not enough to make you change talents if that makes sense

[muted narwhal]

in M+

[stoic needle]

Yeah but it's gonna play like ass

I'd really just recommend getting a 190 zoldyck as well with dashing

Dashing isn't a very good m+ legendary at the moment

[hollow escarp]

why not go PB with dashing?

[stoic needle]

Because PB is inting in m+ outside of TOP

[hollow escarp]

it's the only excuse to take PB in M+

[limber lion]

Just don't use Dashing. It's not good for anything

[hollow escarp]

I would disagree

[limber lion]

There's better choices for every situation.

[stoic needle]

I think that dashing is going to be better in any situation where you have to swap targets

Than doomblade

[shy dust]

@muted narwhal

[stoic needle]

So I don't think it's completely useless

But it's not good for m+

[shy dust]

you do know your friend hasnt lost the chance to craft doomblade right?

[limber lion]

Doomblade is still the best legendary in 2 targets.

And Zoldyck is better in 3T

[shy dust]

Like I said they can get the legendary right now if they wanted

[muted narwhal]

Through TC? I hate Torghast so I'm not helping him with it lol

[stoic needle]

For pure damage yes, but think about a situation like council where you have to swap to an attendant

[shy dust]

Yes

[stoic needle]

Target swapping is dogshit with doomblade

[shy dust]

its just the first 6 floors

[muted narwhal]

He can go run it, if he wants

[shy dust]

if its the correct wing

[stoic needle]

Dashing is arguably more flexible for progress

Because there's no ramp time

[limber lion]

Why

[stoic needle]

You just press envenom and get full damage

[limber lion]

As you do with Doomblade

[stoic needle]

Because you have to gar and rup that target before you're getting full value on your envenom

[hollow escarp]

but with 2 targets you get more energy regen

aka more envenoms

[stoic needle]

Also doomblade doesn't do that much more damage than dashing

The gap is small enough that the flexibility of dashing becomes relevant

[limber lion]

The gap is small therefore it literally doesn't matter which legendary you play.

[stoic needle]

In a fight where you have to swap to new targets like adds dashing is going to perform better

[limber lion]

Creating a sub-par legendary for most situations when you're thinking about your first legendary should not be advised.

[stoic needle]

It's not really subpar though

[limber lion]

Rather get the useful ones first and then start building the ones that are not bis.

Even I don't have Dashing because there's no use for it.

Whatsoever.

[stoic needle]

That's just not true

I mean seli crafted dashing over doomblade and several other long time assassination players did too because it has its uses

Doomblade is the highest single target damage output in a vacuum, yes. But the game isn't always about that

[limber lion]

There's little to do wrong with Doomblade. It doesn't really require anything extra to do well.

And Seli has been wrong on several occasions now

[stoic needle]

Ther will be lots of fights next tier where we are swapping targets to kill things with priority, where dashing will perform better than doomblade because you have to ramp up

[limber lion]

With garrote ticks, rupture ticks etc.

Feelcrafting is still feelcrafting.

[stoic needle]

Idk if I'm going to craft it, but you can't say that it's literally useless, strictly worse, etc because it's not

[limber lion]

It is though.

That's the thing

[stoic needle]

It's not though

I just explained to you multiple scenarios in which it would perform better but you're just ignoring them

[limber lion]

I see just one

And that is target swapping to a target that dies in less than 5s.

How many fights in the next tier have a mechanic like that?

I doubt there's many.

Also

Even then you do more damage with Doomblade overall

If you're lacking target-swap damage, switching legendaries around will not do much to help with that

[stoic needle]

Doing more overall damage isn't always better than doing more damage when it counts

[limber lion]

That's just the problem of the class.

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

If there's issues with target swapping, you play a different spec.

[stoic needle]

That's a dumb argument

[limber lion]

It is.

[stoic needle]

Why would you not try to optimize within the confines of your spec and class

Why don't you play sub or outlaw? Or fire mage for that matter then?

Swapping a legendary is less work than swapping your class

[limber lion]

Exactly

Okay

[muted narwhal]

@balmy condor What do you think? Is Dashing an okay first craft? My friend is also new to Rogue but I don't think Doomblade is any easier or harder to play?

[limber lion]

I'll be waiting for the target-swapping sims

And see how well Dashing actually does in comparison to Doomblade there

Because currently it's all feelcrafty

[balmy condor]

dashing and doomblade are close enough to not really matter

[limber lion]

Dashing might be better, but it's not like it's suddenly 500 more dps on the target that you're swapping to.

[balmy condor]

these two are just kinda arguing over nothing tbh

[limber lion]

Ye exactly

Like I said earlier

[shy dust]

arguing to argue

pathetic

[muted narwhal]

lmao

[shy dust]

what is this the outlaw channel

[muted narwhal]

Hey now

We're pirates

[gusty mirage]

But what if we finish at 3 because my Mutilate might generate 4 cp? CAN I SEE THE SIM?

[limber lion]

.

[shy dust]

What if im at 4 cp and 1 away from finshing but vendetta has 2 seconds left and I dont have enough energy for mut is it a gain to cast throw knife

[stoic needle]

So then why do you say this

You contradict yourself

'it doesn't matter, but also don't do it'

[limber lion]

That's talking about the very first legendary. Why would you create a legendary that is only useful in ST if you're planning to play it in other content as well? I wouldn't recommend Doomblade as a first legendary either.

[stoic needle]

I agree with you there, that's why I said he should craft zoldyck

But then the guy replied and said that he mainly planned to do raiding and ST

[balmy condor]

[shy dust]

did you see the research post whispyr

[limber lion]

It's the napkin special.