#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 4132

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:55 AM

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one has to hit first

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 1:55 AM

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and not and then

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:55 AM

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also tooltips omegalul

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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i mean the logic for me is that

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combo points should be awarded after the cast is complete

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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okay

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and when is the cast complete

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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or after the hit registers

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rather

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and due to the wording of the tooltip

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as the hit registers, there should be a dot on the target

shut garnet Apr 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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theorycrafting tooltips stronk

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Deathspike flurry's days are numbered peeporiot

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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kind talon or after the hit registers

but that's in direct opposition to similar effects

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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balmy condor but that's in direct opposition to similar effects

what are some similar effects ?

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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throw dagger

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is also a projectile

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also applies a dot

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and gives a cp

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throw dagger gives a cp on cast, hits, and then applies poisons

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 1:58 AM

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yeah but it doesnt apply MORE cp based on applying poisons

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:58 AM

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it's not about that

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the whole discussion is order of operations

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it doesn't matter what it does

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it matters the order

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 1:58 AM

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ok so if they wanted to make it consistent

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:58 AM

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there was a famous bug in antorus where the dot applied first, and caused all sorts of nonsense

loud light Apr 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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don't you dare say they would've worded the tooltip better

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we know they wouldn't

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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so they had to change it to hit first, apply dot second

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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then why didnt they code it like poisoned knife?

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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because they're blizzard

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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but i know for a fact that on subsequent applications on multiple targets, it is consistent

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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consistently wrong, yes

loud light Apr 23, 2021, 1:59 AM

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I dare you to look at what main gauche actually does for outlaw and read its tooltip

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:00 AM

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In general poybro you would do well to not trust blizzard tooltips

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At all

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For anything

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Or any reason

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They lie

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:00 AM

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dont trust tooltips for any reason?

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ok ill use a sword mainhand and play assa

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:00 AM

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I am well aware that sbs gives 1 cp, and then calculates the additional CP on hit

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but that's simply not how anything else works

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:01 AM

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loud light I dare you to look at what main gauche actually does for outlaw and read its too...

Wait what does it actually do

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:01 AM

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and I have no reason to believe that it should be intended that it actually calculates it's own dot

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:01 AM

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I mean not that literally just like the ability descriptions, they're notoriously inconsistent

wise fiber Apr 23, 2021, 2:01 AM

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So. 1 question. on council we knives or mutilate priority?

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:01 AM

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wise fiber So. 1 question. on council we knives or mutilate priority?

you fok on 4

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:04 AM

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stoic needle Wait what does it actually do

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:05 AM

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And how is it different from that in practice

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:05 AM

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its not

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:07 AM

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loud light I dare you to look at what main gauche actually does for outlaw and read its too...

What does this comment mean then

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:07 AM

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no clue

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:09 AM

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stoic needle Deathspike flurry's days are numbered <a:peeporiot:754504511351160946>

Honestly Deathspike isn't even that much stronger than MA even Flurrying

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The damage is surprisingly kinda reasonable considering how one-dimensional it is

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Given that the legendary is literally zdps in ST

loud light Apr 23, 2021, 2:10 AM

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stoic needle What does this comment mean then

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/198

GitHub

Mastery: Main Gauche scales with Main Hand · Issue #198 · SimCMinMa...

Game Version: 8.0.1 Alpha Build 26175 Description: The Main Gauche Mastery for Outlaw currently scales with the Main Hand DPS on Alpha. As additional feedback, the damage is not very transparent, a...

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:10 AM

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Like this was just initial testing last night

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It's really not even that busted on DungeonSlice given that it's like.. a 10% DPS loss on bosses

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It's a pretty solid and cool legendary for AoE usage but not quite as broken as it sounds

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:11 AM

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loud light https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/198

bro tooltips dont explain scaling

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:11 AM

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Realistically Assassination gains almost as much from the fact that the DoT scales from Mastery

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:11 AM

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or dmg calculations

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just shows a number

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:11 AM

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And Bonesmith has a new trait to give us an extremely large Mastery buff on pull

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Carver's Eye is basically +760 Mastery for ~6-8 seconds on pull with Bone Spike DoTs on every single target in the pull lol

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:13 AM

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@stoic needle Oshtradamus is right

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I can't believe it

merry comet Apr 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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gus do u hold flag to align with vendetta or use on cd? seems like i do 100 more dps if i do stuff on cd and not hold flag

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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use on cd

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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merry comet gus do u hold flag to align with vendetta or use on cd? seems like i do 100 more...

pins answers that :)

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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only sync if you won't lose a cast (so like at the tail end of the fight)

merry comet Apr 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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will check

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thanks 🙂

silver shore Apr 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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shoulder and hands have same stat weights correct? so it doesnt really matter what I put doomblade on right?

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:14 AM

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no prob bob

merry comet Apr 23, 2021, 2:15 AM

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hands if u have acess to 233

shut garnet Apr 23, 2021, 2:15 AM

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depends if u have access to mythic slg @silver shore

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:15 AM

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@silver shore if you don't ever see yourself being able to get the 233 shoulders off SLG, doesn't matter

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:15 AM

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Yes this is pretty much correct as far as I can observe. It's clearly a travel time race condition wrt server ticks.

silver shore Apr 23, 2021, 2:15 AM

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oh yeah im not getting mythic SLG this tier

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:16 AM

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It actually happens with the Torghast trait as well

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:16 AM

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yeah

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:16 AM

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The +500% damage one or whatever

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Sometimes it works on the DoT

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:16 AM

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the torg trait is fucked

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:16 AM

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Sometimes it works on the DD

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It is 100% inconsistent

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Even at the same range, it is basically just random

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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kind talon bro tooltips dont explain scaling

The tooltip for MG is completely incorrect. It's literally never been an OH attack and the way it calculates damage is not reflected by the tooltip at all. WoW tooltips are mostly lying liars that shouldn't be trusted. 😛

north cobalt Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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do you use crimson tempest on ST if you have it?

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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Sometimes

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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north cobalt do you use crimson tempest on ST if you have it?

out of shiv

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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fleet anchor The tooltip for MG is completely incorrect. It's literally never been an OH atta...

it procs Combat Potency though

north cobalt Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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so shiv > tempest?

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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the way it calculates damage is bad

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:18 AM

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north cobalt so shiv > tempest?

shiv envenom > tempest

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non shiv envenom < tempest

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:19 AM

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but thats not a tooltip issue imo

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:19 AM

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kind talon it procs Combat Potency though

I mean Pistol Shot procs combat potency too and isn't an OH attack 😄

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Shiv doesn't and is an OH attack

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Fewer MH attacks trigger MG than don't trigger MG

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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true

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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The tooltips are all crap for Rogues 😄

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Testing is the only way to know how anything works lol

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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appreciate it

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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I just spent 2 hours today trying to figure out what does and doesn't work with the bastard Shadow Blades procs from the new NF legendary

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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could u help me figure out whats happening with sbs

royal lantern Apr 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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fleet anchor The tooltips are all crap for Rogues 😄

*tooltips are all crap

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doesnt matter wich class

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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why is it consistent on subsequent applications

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Shadow Blades doesn't work with Mutilate due to how the spell data is set up which is big sad

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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but not on the first and only the first?

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Because it depends on if the server thinks the DoT is applied at the time the CP gen is calculated or not

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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fleet anchor Shadow Blades doesn't work with Mutilate due to how the spell data is set up whi...

fae lego is ZDPS

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POGGIES

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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It's a server race condition

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There's no way to influence or predict it

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We literally have it implemented as a 50/50 dice roll in SimC 🤣

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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How's that Venthyr leggo looking?

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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yeah but koji

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its consistent

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Fairly strong but too buggy

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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on multitarget

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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final fossil How's that Venthyr leggo looking?

worse than doom

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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its only 50/50 on the first sbs

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Doubt it will beat Doom

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Maybe BiS ST potential for the other two specs

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When the bugs are fixed

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But hard to say

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Does the bleed from doom scale like Ignite? Or does it just refresh

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Ignite

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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noice

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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koji why is it only on the first application though

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like its been bugging me

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for a long time

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:24 AM

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I mean I'm not totally sure that is true wrt to the extra 1 CP you may or may not get on subsequent casts. I'd have to look at logs to check. Honestly could just be it's harder to notice because you are already going to get 4-5 CP per cast on the second target.

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:25 AM

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i play otl in dungeons where this is most impactful

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so no seal fate

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but in most that i can recall, it consistently gives you the 'extra' cp on multitarget

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:25 AM

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gusty mirage <@!502859708504342538> Oshtradamus is right

monkascheme

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:27 AM

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I mean here seems to be a case where it's messing up on secondary targets

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4 CP the cast before

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3 CP the next cast

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Same number of affected targets

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:28 AM

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silver shore oh yeah im not getting mythic SLG this tier

The same situation repeats in the next tier as well fyi wrt higher ilvl shoulders

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:28 AM

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is this for an assassination rogue?

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oh

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garrote

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LMFAO

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wait so

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how many active spikes

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before the first application

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one on kaal?

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:29 AM

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It's basically always gonna be 50/50 as to if it counts the 1 from the target you are applying it on if they don't yet have a DoT

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:29 AM

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oh

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ye

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:29 AM

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gusty mirage <@!502859708504342538> Oshtradamus is right

Sinscheme bonespike Stonks

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Why is there no mastery emoji

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:30 AM

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holy fuck

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its so annoying

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just make it consistent

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:30 AM

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Blizzard? Consistent? KEKWW

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:30 AM

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what emoji would you have for mastery

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:30 AM

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How long have you been playing wow @kind talon

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:30 AM

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stoic needle Why is there no mastery emoji

Mastery emoji?! lol

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:31 AM

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The one from the armory

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:31 AM

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fleet anchor Mastery emoji?! lol

he's the hachadino of sin don't mind him

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:31 AM

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Hold on

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:31 AM

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I usually just let him live out his mastery fantasies in the corner and eventually he gets quiet

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:31 AM

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sin isn't this the Mastery icon?

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:32 AM

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dis

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:32 AM

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balmy condor I usually just let him live out his mastery fantasies in the corner and eventual...

Toxic

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:32 AM

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sin

shut garnet Apr 23, 2021, 2:32 AM

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mastery is the subtlety meme

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:32 AM

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Sure but that's also the spec icon

shut garnet Apr 23, 2021, 2:32 AM

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this is the 34% crit channel

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:32 AM

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Sorry buddy we are riding the mastery stacking deathspike train to the top of the m+ charts

shut garnet Apr 23, 2021, 2:33 AM

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or "what iz hastecap"

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:33 AM

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shut garnet or "what iz hastecap"

but i can answer that

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126%

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:33 AM

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true

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:34 AM

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sub bonespike

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:34 AM

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stoic needle Sorry buddy we are riding the mastery stacking deathspike train to the top of th...

too bad it flurries

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:34 AM

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the only rotation you need to know

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:34 AM

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9.1 looks fun OMEGAKEKW

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:34 AM

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it's nightstalker time baby

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:34 AM

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NODDERS

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:34 AM

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kind talon too bad it flurries

Sir this is the Assassination channel

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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sir this is a wendy's

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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whats the hitbox of ct

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never used it

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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yes

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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ty

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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Same as FoK

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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it's got a pretty big range

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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Big

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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HUGE

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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yuge*

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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yugito

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:35 AM

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I think its like 10 yards

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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you just ct on dogs for huntsman right

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like, not shades

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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It's 10 yard AoE which is slightly larger than 10 yards

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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just mut shades or do u also ct?

shut garnet Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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is playing ep ds ct actually a thing like

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do u ever get to envenom

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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fleet anchor It's 10 yard AoE which is slightly larger than 10 yards

I wonder if its melee range + 10 yards

shut garnet Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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i havent played sin this tier legit question kekl

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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AoE gets a special bonus of 1.5y

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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Yes you do

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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yes

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:36 AM

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ah

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makes sense cuz 10 yards seemed a little smaller than its reach

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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AoE also gets more range when you're moving

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Ct doesn't lower envenom casts that much

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Or jumping for that matter

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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fleet anchor AoE also gets more range when you're moving

Good ol' leeway

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Which is somewhat hilarious

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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jump in rotation in large packs

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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omegalul

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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peepoyes

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:37 AM

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I deadass jump while fok and ct in m+

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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you're a melee

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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stoic needle I deadass jump while fok and ct in m+

kekwait

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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not jumping is a dps loss

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except on sludgefist

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don't be that guy

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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Yeah it's actually kinda true for AoE

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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I learned it in classic actually

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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I did it all the time on N'zoth

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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When fighting frost mages

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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classic omegalul

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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or sire p1 actually. jumping pulls you out of the 1yd range if you want to stack with someone kekW

hollow venture Apr 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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Good call I'd forgotten about some of the oddities with bliz and hit boxes

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:39 AM

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It was a thing back then and it's still there now

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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do you ever play ct blindside?

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is it a thing on sire?

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Yes

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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i do

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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I think if you were optimizing for the execute phase it would work fine

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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are there any other fights?

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Probably not

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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slg?

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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yeah not that i can think of

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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On SLG you run EP

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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slg you'd just go EP

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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ok

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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I think I'm going to drop subt on slg

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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The only reason I run Blindside on Sire is P3

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Since nothing lives the duration of the subt garotte

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

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ye

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im just thinking like

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

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And I'm just pumping boss/goliath anyway

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

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can i just put CT where my ambush is

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and call it a day for now

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

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Yeah don't do that

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Put it on shift+rupture

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

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until i prog sire

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

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stoic needle Put it on shift+rupture

Shift-FoK like c'mon now

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:41 AM

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What do I look like, a sub player?

fleet anchor Apr 23, 2021, 2:42 AM

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Let's be reasonable here

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 2:42 AM

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shift mouse3

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pog

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:42 AM

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Shift+rupture because it's an aoe bleed, duh

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St = normal, shift = aoe

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:42 AM

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what's alt

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:43 AM

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Defensives

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And tricks

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:43 AM

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hmm

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:43 AM

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And other cooldowns

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I mean technically those are on the d-pad kekw

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:43 AM

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lmao

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:43 AM

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But they're bound to alt

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Need 3 key foot pedal for vendetta vanish PTT

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:44 AM

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...

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

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Don't be salty because you're in 2021 and I'm in 3021

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

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bigBrain

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

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I hate it here

wide bolt Apr 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

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IS EP + Vigor always better on mythic sludge? or is it just a parser thing?

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

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yea

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more on demand damage for the pillars

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

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Yes it's always better

wide bolt Apr 23, 2021, 2:46 AM

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figured just feels a little slow at times and was secretly hoping it wasnt actually better lol

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:47 AM

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I play ep+vigor on every fight now (necro gang) and it doesn't feel slow at all idk

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Only a 10 dps loss over bs/ds

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But I kind of like blindside and the execute it gives

wide bolt Apr 23, 2021, 2:48 AM

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blindside feels so nice in execute

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yea

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

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I'm not sure whether to go bs/vig or ep/vig for sire

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Last boss on TOP, for the adds and stuff do you try and dot them up or leave them to say hunters or other better AOE classes? just trying to understand the best strat as I suppose I lose a bunch of dps (and it's usually the most even with guys higher than me) on ST if I run around a lot on that fight. any thoughts ?

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

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just focus on your own add tbh and hope your group isn't a bunch of potatoes

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

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heavy trail Last boss on TOP, for the adds and stuff do you try and dot them up or leave the...

I garotte and kick the one closest to me and just fok them all to funnel envenoms into the boss

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

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gusty mirage just focus on your own add tbh and hope your group isn't a bunch of potatoes

yeh this

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Ok that make sense then

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

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I pool a kidney and then sbs all of them, envenom mfd envenom

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and mines dead

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:50 AM

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If one is out of the group casting I'll blind it but that's about it

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That seems like.... A lot

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:50 AM

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I guess on this 9 the issue wasn't my add it's that the other dps wasn't even botherng with them too much

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:50 AM

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on a NINE?

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monkaChrist

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:50 AM

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9 key

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:50 AM

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could probably ignore the adds entirely on a 9

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that's a yikes

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Why kidney? I'd rather mfd/sbs it and envenoms into the boss

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 2:51 AM

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hey stop key level snobbery

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punk

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:51 AM

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It's the first 9 I have ever done lol sorry there elitism personffied 🙂

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Guess it doesn't matter much

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:51 AM

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cobalt pelican hey stop key level snobbery

handsup

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there's an affix missing in that key

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:52 AM

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I topped dps in my last top with doomblade PB kekw

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:52 AM

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I don't think calling a 9 a low key is all that elite

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but idk

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maybe I am a prick

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:52 AM

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idk blizz's keylevel color for it is blue

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blue level gear is hardly elite

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:52 AM

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All keys are valid

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:52 AM

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blizzard = prick CONFIRMED?

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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Is the key itself blue?

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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on the scoreboard ye

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9 is actually harder than a 10

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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Ohh yeah

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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fun enough

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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they have colours for the scoreboard?

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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Facts

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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oh wait they do

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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Being stuck in 9s was literal hell

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:53 AM

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It is a low key but I am trying to learn and get better and this channel helps a ton it's just "the cringe" when you got guys putting emojis and "yikes" for dungeons I haven't gone high in...

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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nah dude you're fine

royal lantern Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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gusty mirage idk blizz's keylevel color for it is blue

blue=no worth confirmed?

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that explains sub

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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OOF

royal lantern Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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monkahmm

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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TOO SOON

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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I am also playing with well, let's face it, inferior players even for my low experience lol since I generally outperformed them overall

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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it's not yikes to you, it's yikes that your group isn't capable of handling the adds on a 9

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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heavy trail It is a low key but I am trying to learn and get better and this channel helps a...

In fact we, (whyspir) are the cringers

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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but for real just bonespike the adds last boss and focus on you

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assuming you're necro

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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yes

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:54 AM

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if you're not, kill yours, and dot up any close to you and focus boss

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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the fact that you're here, asking questions, is already pog

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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I actually did that saved some charges for that lol

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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but like, find some better teammates

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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for reference in normal groups the ads don't usually live long enough for my boomer hands to even press mfd

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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cobalt pelican for reference in normal groups the ads don't usually live long enough for my boo...

I feel that 😦

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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yeh relatable

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Just get younger 4head

royal lantern Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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just click MfD

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like a real zoomer

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 2:55 AM

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hi @cobalt pelican

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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stoic needle Just get younger 4head

haven't considered that

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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get a high enough ping to where you overflow, and get negative ping, so you can react before the mechanic even happens

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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helo

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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I'll report back

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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gigapog

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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balmy condor get a high enough ping to where you overflow, and get negative ping, so you can ...

HUGE BRAIN

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ddos myself

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so I can react slower

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Just suck some virgin blood to restore your youth venthyr

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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can you start shitposting in ot again please ty

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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mayb sometimes

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Anyway thanks. Will have some better thoughts at least.

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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i am on my journey to becoming a Hearthstone eSports Athlete

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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I too have achieved the rank of so called legend

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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heavy trail Anyway thanks. Will have some better thoughts at least.

feelsloveman feel free to ask any and all questions, we're a friendly bunch just a bit trolly sometimes

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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and its only a 4 decimal number

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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woaeh

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sign my mousepad

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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except to @stoic needle we troll him for liking mastery a lot

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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i hit rank 10 in hearthstone once

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Madge

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:58 AM

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i'm a very elite gamer

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:58 AM

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9.1

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:58 AM

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gusty mirage <:feelsloveman:587982296519278593> feel free to ask any and all questions, we'r...

except me, I will maul you in the street like the cold blooded vengeful predator I am

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:58 AM

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Mastery gamers rise up

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peeporiot

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:58 AM

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balmy condor except me, I will maul you in the street like the cold blooded vengeful predator...

a lesson I've learned numerous times sadge

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:58 AM

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We will do superior dps during mechanics

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And pump in m+

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:58 AM

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actually a well documented fact that I have personal vendettas to all 99,463 members in this server

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:59 AM

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to be fair, we probably deserve it

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esp osh

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:59 AM

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This is oppression

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:59 AM

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good thing we have moroes to have a personal vendetta against whispyr

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Statist CFs

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 2:59 AM

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stoic needle This is oppression

diamonds are created under extreme pressure young padawan

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 2:59 AM

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gusty mirage esp osh

oh yeah for sure, that guy doesn't deserve any compassion

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 2:59 AM

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man that one got unpinned

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sad

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:00 AM

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fist

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 3:00 AM

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if osh was in an ASPCA commercial, I still would fast forward without second guessing my own morals

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:00 AM

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I'm going to make my avatar a picture of my crit/mastery deathspike gloves

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 3:00 AM

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and it would be too small to read

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ya played yourself

loud niche Apr 23, 2021, 3:00 AM

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well, just got CE

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 3:00 AM

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gz

loud niche Apr 23, 2021, 3:00 AM

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but i'm 9 parse

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so i meannnn

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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gz

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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hey man

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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pepechortle

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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CE is CE

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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parse doesn't mean shit, you got CE

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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balmy condor and it would be too small to read

ENHANCED

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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are you top3 p3

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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stoic needle *ENHANCED*

get that weird AI bullshit thingy from earlier

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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then you are forgiven

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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kekl

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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balmy condor get that weird AI bullshit thingy from earlier

kekw

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NEURAL ENHANCEMENT FOR PEPEGA QUALITY

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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I parsed an 8 on our sludge kill KEKWW

loud niche Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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I'm top 4 sire dmg, does that count?

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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yes

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

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The fucking 1st pillar soak was out of melee range Madge

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

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OMEGALUL

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

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just don't soak

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alpha move

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

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And I didn't have heirmir gemstones

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

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I thought mastery was supposed to help prop up your DPS while you were doing mechanics OMEGAKEKW

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

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my only 9.0.5 parse is a 19 kekW

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SLG outlaw with a death

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kekW

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

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my parses have gotten significantly worse the more we reclear

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and idgaf

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:02 AM

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we take those

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

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gusty mirage I thought mastery was supposed to help prop up your DPS while you were doing mec...

No you see I need a PI while soaking

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

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fuck that fight

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Stonks

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

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should I level my priest?

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be your PI bot?

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

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PeepoYes

uneven plume Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

#

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

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I miss my old key group

uneven plume Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

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we did it boyz

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M sludge finally down

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:03 AM

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I'd get PI on CD

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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uneven plume M sludge finally down

grats my dude, gl on the hell that is SLG

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Huge

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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how much of a salary are you paying him

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or her

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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my priest who gives me PI is going to be gone until 9.1 pepehands

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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0

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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impressive

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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My io is past theirs now and they aren't doing keys as much sadge

uneven plume Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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we tried SLG today

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shit is intense lmao

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but outlaw seems so much easier on that fight

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:04 AM

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oh you meant old key group

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thought you meant now

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lol

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i was like how tf do you get PI on cd in a guild if you're not whispyr

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:05 AM

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I have faith we will get the squad back together

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Oh no lmao I haven't gotten a single PI in my guild yet

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I might be able to convince them for p3 on sire

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I need to prep the execute phase sims

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:05 AM

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well the priest is probably

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not in your realm

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unless you have 2

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:06 AM

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might still be better on a DK idk

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Not without army

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:06 AM

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they'd have army

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:06 AM

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then you lose a PI cast

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:06 AM

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comes up around 8:30

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:06 AM

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if you do it during their army

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:06 AM

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well yeah

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:07 AM

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How long does p3 last? Can't you get 2 vendettas?

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So I could get pi on the 2nd

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:07 AM

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easily

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:07 AM

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3min10 or something

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:07 AM

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yeah

royal lantern Apr 23, 2021, 3:07 AM

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ye, somewhat 3min

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:07 AM

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but yeah like I said priest prolly not in your realm lol

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:07 AM

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you get a 2nd ca convoke if you press it just as it phases, very important rogue tip!!

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:08 AM

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Ohhh now I see what you mean by realm

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Damn that's gonna fuck it up

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:08 AM

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get him to pre-pi you before you go through the mirror

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big value

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:08 AM

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peepoStudy

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 3:08 AM

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yuge

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:09 AM

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I swear to God if we don't re-clear after we down sire

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And I have an 8% on sludgefist forever bro

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:09 AM

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depends when you kill him I guess

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Malding Stonks

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:09 AM

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if its a few weeks before patch its possible you dont

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:09 AM

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We just started on slg this week

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So probably at least another 2 before we down it

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:09 AM

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hmm just getting ce will be a challenge then

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:09 AM

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And then another 3 for sire

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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ngl

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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i imagine even post nerf sire is still less pulls than slg for most guilds

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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not to like, shit on your parade

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might be 3 on slg

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did sire even get nerfed?

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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We'll see where we are by the end of our next raid tomorrow

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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i don't remember any

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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bad england

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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problem its hard to gaige guild skill when youve just hotten to slg

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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post slg nerfs

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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oh lol

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:10 AM

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like its entirely possible you dont kill sire no offense

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Yeah that's true

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:11 AM

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because I dont see sire getting 2k kills in the next 10ish weeks before 9.1

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but you might just jump 1k ranks on last 2

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:11 AM

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all depends on slg

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if you kill it in 2

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you can def down sire

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I can't say that our guild is a bunch of insane players but they aren't total dogshit either

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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do they hold dps when told

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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They formed late in the tier

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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thats a good sign I guess

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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We'll see, I haven't been in on any fights where you need to hold

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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how many sludge wipes

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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fair

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it's all on last 2

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I think it took us like 110 pulls?

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:12 AM

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xymox got fixed

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:13 AM

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hmm maybe a little high

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but not terrible

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:13 AM

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what did they even do to xymox

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i buried my head in the sand all tier

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:13 AM

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i forget exactly but they fixed his timer resets somehow

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when you phase

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:13 AM

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his timers dont break between phases

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:13 AM

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ye

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:13 AM

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and dot hurts less

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:13 AM

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o

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nice

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:13 AM

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but if you blast him super fast on opener 1st ghost

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are still wack

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 3:14 AM

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gonna be weird af when we get back to him

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haven't seen that dude in 3 months

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lmao

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Reprog painchamp

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:14 AM

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im reproging a different boss every week

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this week its slg and prolly not killing sire because missing people monday

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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Rip

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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i'm kinda scared of our reclears

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we had so many people quit mid tier

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and not raided in a couple weeks

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likely gonna be a giant shitshow

scenic root Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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I typically run outlaw in keys ( sometimes I do assassin for fun) but mostly raid assassin. I have a doomblade Lego, should I also make zoldlyk for a few raid fights and the occasional key as assassin? Which ones and is it worth the make for in raid?

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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but I just get all the loot in vault anyways lol

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helm, ring, vessel, dagger so far

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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my rogue hasn't killed either of last 2 so i'm scammed

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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pepechortle

cobalt pelican Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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i'm just gonna get druid loot forever and be hardstuck

boreal kettle Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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can someone help me understand this? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WwchrBzC9btZ1AP7#fight=3&type=deaths&death=12

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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scenic root I typically run outlaw in keys ( sometimes I do assassin for fun) but mostly rai...

Zoldyck is bis for keys and is good for sire denathrius

boreal kettle Apr 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

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i use cloak 2s before dying to a 100k shadow damage hit

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:16 AM

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And potentially good for fights in the new tier

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:16 AM

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cloak doesnt work on p3 massacres

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never has

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why? we dont know

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ask a blizz intern

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Because fuck rogues that's why

scenic root Apr 23, 2021, 3:17 AM

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stoic needle Zoldyck is bis for keys and is good for sire denathrius

Thanks, I'll work on making it. We are on council now so not sure we will get to sire but if we do I should have the Lego by then. And if ever I feel there is a need to run assassin for keys over outlaw.

drifting cloud Apr 23, 2021, 3:18 AM

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zoldy is also good on slg but if you play both spec playing outlaw is probably better

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Assassination does very similar damage to Outlaw in m+ and can be preferred for some dungeons where there is a single target or low target cleave focus

#

Like theater of pain is def a sin dungeon imo

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Plaguefall

scenic root Apr 23, 2021, 3:19 AM

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I have been lucky for most part with gear and can run both sets. My stats aren't amazingly optimized but have the weapons to run both specs.

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:20 AM

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I think sin might be better for giga pulling in ardenweald DOS too but don't quote me on that

scenic root Apr 23, 2021, 3:22 AM

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I am very use to the outlaw playstyle of never stop, full send everything, that I don't always pool energy and CDs well for assassin. Like savings energy for shiv windows, or when to vanish in opener or hold for vendetta.

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 3:25 AM

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stoic needle Assassination does very similar damage to Outlaw in m+ and can be preferred for ...

When did this convo kick off again haha

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:28 AM

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Which convo? The sin vs outlaw damage in m+?

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 3:44 AM

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Ye been doin irl sleeping etc

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Come check

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Same convo is up and about

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omegalul

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:47 AM

#

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Uh Oh

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:50 AM

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delet eit

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right now

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:52 AM

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The best part is

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I only do the 666 damage

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:53 AM

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wearing necro mog MonkaChrist

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 3:53 AM

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nice mog monkaGIGA

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:53 AM

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Ya so like

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I just got it

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Just finished the campaign

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So I am wearing it until I get bored

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:53 AM

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🤮

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:54 AM

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It's the Aborted Fetus suit

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Whats not to love

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:54 AM

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everything

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:54 AM

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Hmm

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You've got a point

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:55 AM

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KekW

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:56 AM

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I suck at Sin

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So like

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My Mog is as good as my Damage

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:57 AM

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you'll get there

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Probably

#

I main Outlaw but wanted to learn sin to try on 1-2 target fights

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While it works in more I just do not like how Sin's Multi Target works

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:58 AM

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it's pretty much the opposite of outlaw gameplay wise which is funny

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Or Sub's tbh

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:59 AM

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sin's multi target is one of the most fun parts of the spec but to each their own i guess

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:59 AM

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Sin is better than Sub imo

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Idk why I hate Black Powder so much

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And I am fine like multi dotting

#

I hate CT

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 3:59 AM

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black powder is a dogshit ability

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should be deleted

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 3:59 AM

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CT is what I hate about Sin

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:00 AM

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why?

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:00 AM

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I do't like the playstyle of Build w/ Fan spend on CT

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:00 AM

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you don't though

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you use it only once every few finishers

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it's a dot not something to be spammed

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:00 AM

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Hmm

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Do you run MFD with it

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Or DS?

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:00 AM

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vigor

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:01 AM

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DS Sims better rn for ST

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Have yet to sim Dungeon Slice

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:02 AM

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running DS in aoe is troll at this level of gear

#

it plays awfully

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:02 AM

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Imagine having good gear

#

XD

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:02 AM

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even in bis gear its not worth it

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:02 AM

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Fair

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:02 AM

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@mossy sable I suck at rogue

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:02 AM

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So far I can get 4.5dps on a target dummy

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:02 AM

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like entirely

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:03 AM

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Have mostly played outlaw this expac, tried sin in a couple of dungeons, with doomblade and zoldyck, and I fuckin love it

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:03 AM

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I kinda wanna learn also so I am not a 1 trick

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I have no alts

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Well none at max level

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My highest is 57

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:03 AM

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I like that I don't feel so RNGed

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With outlaw I'm so hot and cold

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One dungeon great, next dungeon meh af

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:04 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fdYouxGUNE2GYocUGBybVB
Huh guess I am not doing horrible

Raidbots

Quick Sim - Zootz - 4,105 DPS - Raidbots

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:04 AM

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Without changing the gameplay really

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:04 AM

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mossy sable https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fdYouxGUNE2GYocUGBybVB Huh guess I am not...

only thing you're doing horrible is keeping that mog, but we love you anyway

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:04 AM

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I'll change it

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Ok

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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lul

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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IF

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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feelsloveman

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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I don't get ganked

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Leaving Necro hub

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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sin is more fun than outlaw in m+

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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Sub Rogues like to sit there

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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sorry pirates but it's a fact

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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warmode has been wild this expac lmao

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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#CowardModeForLife

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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stoic needle sin is more fun than outlaw in m+

Maybe

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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I really like how outlaw feels,a nd love gouge. But I definitely get screwed with rolls

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:05 AM

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idk I've grown to like outlol in m+

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just my hands hurt after a long session

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also I crafted the zoldyk for no reason people won't take me to their 13s and 14s feelscryman

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:07 AM

#

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Better?

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:07 AM

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yes

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:07 AM

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much

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:08 AM

#

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:08 AM

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kekwait

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:08 AM

#

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They didn't like it

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Told ya

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Ganked

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:09 AM

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lmfao his name is the best part

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Yes

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I was killed

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By Pubes

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:12 AM

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gusty mirage just my hands hurt after a long session

This is true

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My hands do be flying across my keyboard

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I forget to Tricks more as Law than Sin

torn atlas Apr 23, 2021, 4:19 AM

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stoic needle it plays awfully

You generally wouldn't want to spread 5-6cp ruptures in aoe either right? Like maybe 1 or 2 targets in certain keys/packs but feel it would be a wasted talent for the overall dungeon.

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:19 AM

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CT's animation is dumb

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:19 AM

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yeah pretty much, unless you're doing really high keys nothing is gonna live the duration of a 6cp rupture

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:19 AM

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full tendon CT's animation is dumb

you're wrong and that's okay

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:20 AM

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It looks like it belongs in classic

rain lily Apr 23, 2021, 4:20 AM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Apr 23, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 4:23 AM

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i'll admit the animation isn't the best by any means

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but it's not dumb

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 4:23 AM

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mossy sable I forget to Tricks more as Law than Sin

Im the opposite coz outlaw is my m+ spec

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 4:23 AM

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i'd like it if it was more like bloody crescent blades and a little more detailed

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than the kind of cartoony version it is rn but is still good

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:24 AM

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fallow otter Im the opposite coz outlaw is my m+ spec

Outlaw is my M+ spec too

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Just kinda looks 8-bitty

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I just am braining so much

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I forget to use it

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 4:24 AM

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yea not super detailed

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:24 AM

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stoic needle you're wrong and that's okay

I may Hate the Ability, but this is Truth

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 4:25 AM

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tbh CT needs a better sound effect

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and yeah the blades could be more red

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like if it had the shadowlands venthyr blood magic particles

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that would be sickl

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Better looking than Black Powder

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 4:25 AM

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the sound is pretty shit tbh

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Naw, black powder doesn't look nearly as N64 as CT

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:26 AM

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But it's boring

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:26 AM

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I guess

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I'd rather boring and appropriate than some weird Brendan Small Home Movies design

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 4:27 AM

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mossy sable Outlaw is my M+ spec too

It's auto pilot for me after a pack, when playing ww I was pressing the bind for weeks

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When I switched

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Ah

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Thats me with F1

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Post pack I hit F1

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As I used to Play Druid and now play Rogue

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Travel form?

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Stealth

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And F is Kick

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Warlock feels weird if I don't have kick pet out

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:30 AM

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F is my INTERRUPT BUTTON TOO

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 4:30 AM

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F is my kick on all my classes

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are we best friends now?

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:31 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/bff-gif-10085685

Tenor

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:32 AM

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I mean

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We could be

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What if we kissed

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In the Karazhan Crypts?

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:32 AM

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I miss enjoying the current raid

split veldt Apr 23, 2021, 4:33 AM

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like 180 wipes to see blue

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kekw

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:33 AM

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full tendon I miss enjoying the current raid

I miss Enjoying WoW

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First few Weeks of SL where epic

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Then 3 became 10

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And now months

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:33 AM

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Pushing io is funnish

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Emphasis on ish

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:34 AM

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It can be

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But I never get gear from it

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And even if I did

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I can't do jack shit with it until I +15 everything

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:34 AM

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If you're 220+, there's very little gear in it.

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:34 AM

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And nobody wants me.........

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Ah, well, go +15 everything

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:35 AM

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217 on Outlaw

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But I can never get into keys

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Or when I do keys fall apart

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:35 AM

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That's 90% of pugging atm

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:35 AM

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All my healer friends saying how easy it is

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Me over here

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 4:36 AM

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2k io ww, nearly 1600 rogue, 1400 hunter, 1400 warrior, 1300ish druid and DH. 90% of keys fall apart.

mossy sable Apr 23, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Hey I got an invite on my 40th apply

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Oh wait

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Nvm

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Healer and Tank left

lost mist Apr 23, 2021, 4:50 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8AFm7MhwRgQKNfyj/#fight=19&type=damage-done

that was my try x.x i already have timed this fight

plain jewel Apr 23, 2021, 4:52 AM

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seeing lots of people running Vigor on denathrius. DS sims higher for me. should i swap to vigor

solid shale Apr 23, 2021, 4:53 AM

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so is the move on council to simply switch to outlaw

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cause im finding it impossible to do anything lol

lost mist Apr 23, 2021, 4:57 AM

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plain jewel seeing lots of people running Vigor on denathrius. DS sims higher for me. should...

i play mfd lol

waxen nebula Apr 23, 2021, 4:58 AM

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solid shale so is the move on council to simply switch to outlaw

yeah council sucks on assa imo

solid shale Apr 23, 2021, 4:58 AM

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yeah

waxen nebula Apr 23, 2021, 4:58 AM

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sure, that fight is purely ST but spec feels weird man idk

solid shale Apr 23, 2021, 4:58 AM

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after my ramp is finished the boss has a shield

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then after the shield i have to do the dance

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so like 9 times out of 10 my vendetta gets wasted cause i cant touch the boss because nobody on my team knows what a stutter step is

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 5:00 AM

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you have to push your own keys tbh

heavy trail Apr 23, 2021, 5:18 AM

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Yep unless you have folks to carry you gotta at least get some keys completed on time. Sometimes it's kind of silly you have the key level 3 chest but they still don't want to take you..

kind talon Apr 23, 2021, 5:26 AM

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solid shale so like 9 times out of 10 my vendetta gets wasted cause i cant touch the boss be...

How long are you waiting to vendetta on opener

cerulean nest Apr 23, 2021, 5:35 AM

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so which spec will give me the easiest time on council prog?

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starting next week

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:37 AM

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You can also play sub on council

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If your objective is to deal damage to the boss

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You will also contribute good damage to attendants

jagged bobcat Apr 23, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Can someone send a link or answer my question for Crimson Tempest, for Phase 3 Sire. how am i able to min/max Crimson Tempest for Single Target

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Running doomblade

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Bleed +5% Envenom

frail fossil Apr 23, 2021, 5:48 AM

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you keep crimson tempest up

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like u would keep rupture and stuff

jagged bobcat Apr 23, 2021, 5:49 AM

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is the strat to Shiv for the 4th/5th CP into CT then start dumping Envenoms with max Uptime on Rupture/Garrote?

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:50 AM

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@balmy condor

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CT on ST

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 5:50 AM

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what I do

fallen arch Apr 23, 2021, 5:50 AM

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Yes

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:50 AM

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How do you optimize CT in ST (p3 sire)

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 5:51 AM

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CT before movement, and never during shiv

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otherwise maintain

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:51 AM

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There you go

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Sorry for ping im not confident enough in my assa to answer shit like that

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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np

fallen arch Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Why run CT at all on Sire tho?

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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rather get a ping than fix wrong answers

fallen arch Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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For more dps in p1?

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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better in p1 and p2

jagged bobcat Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Mythic Sire in particular

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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fallen arch Why run CT at all on Sire tho?

CT is very close to PB in single target, and PB is a very small aoe, if sire moves, PB is rip, if you move, no PB

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Theres an argument to be made for CT in p3

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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with zoldyck, CT is within like 20 dps for p3

fallen arch Apr 23, 2021, 5:52 AM

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balmy condor CT is very close to PB in single target, and PB is a very small aoe, if sire mov...

Ah k, clear

balmy condor Apr 23, 2021, 5:53 AM

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so the ability to just dot and move

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is worth it

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Theres also blood prices in p3

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:53 AM

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the argument is harder to make with doomblade

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imo

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Which makes ct better

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:53 AM

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in p3 specifically

fallen arch Apr 23, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Imagine being able to combine zoldyck and DB peepoguns

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 5:53 AM

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strange python Theres an argument to be made for CT in p3

I don't really think it's a debate, CT sounds better in every way, once you do the fight you realise he's never still

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Yea but its still feelcraft

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Poison bombs superiority in ST is supported by a sim

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Me saying CT is better on p3 sire is based on nothing numerical lol

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Purely feels

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:55 AM

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time for heavymovementexecutepatchwerk

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 5:55 AM

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@balmy condor do they do the same dmg comparing on logs? Then you gotta include that one costs cp

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Its more than just that

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Every ct you’re casting is an envenom lost

jagged bobcat Apr 23, 2021, 5:55 AM

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top parsers are Doomblade with PB/CT

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 5:55 AM

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strange python Every ct you’re casting is an envenom lost

Hence CP cost? Lol

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Oh the second sentence was weird

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My b ig

jagged bobcat Apr 23, 2021, 5:56 AM

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fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 5:56 AM

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All g

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:56 AM

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the top parsers are running EP/vigor with it as well

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it's for cleave in p2 for the most part

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which isn't a hard check to make

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Yeh

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:57 AM

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if you're going for a first kill i wouldn't necessarily recommend it

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 5:57 AM

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I mean, I'm sure it's mainly for parse bois but I can see why people would want to use it for p3

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I don't think I would use on prog

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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I would

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Because i’d be using zoldyck on prog as well

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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all depends on comp

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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poison bomb is lowkey shit

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on sire

jagged bobcat Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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yeah it is

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it is shit

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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you get like 0 uptime on p3

jagged bobcat Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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cause hes constantly moving

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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because the boss moves 24/7

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Can you not macro Dreadfire Vessel with Flagellation?

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Should be able to

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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you can

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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if you're running zoldyck yeah you just run CT

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it's a no-brainer

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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Yep

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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honestly

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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i don't think there's room for debate on it with zoldyck

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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the best prog build would probably be blindside + zdicks + ct

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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that's what i'm doing lol

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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for maximum p3

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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i gotta say

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lowkey sucks

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to play

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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what do you average in p3

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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outside of p2

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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oh yea the builds shit

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 5:59 AM

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idk we haven't killed it yet

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wipe on the overlap atm

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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but execute prob giga

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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usually around 6k

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but my gear is bad

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in p3*

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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yea

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i got 6.5k p3 with

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ep / vigor / ct db

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last week

strange python Apr 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Seems good for prog kills

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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i kinda wanna try how hard i can ram execute

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especially since i don't care about my parse cuz i'm rank 1

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lul

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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low girder usually around 6k

Do you get a 2nd vend yet

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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get a nice PI and you can probably break 8k

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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fallow otter Do you get a 2nd vend yet

not yet

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it'll go up when i do

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 6:01 AM

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Yup

gloomy knoll Apr 23, 2021, 6:01 AM

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i'll try zdicks next week i'm gonna see how much p3 dam i can do lol

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 6:01 AM

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I'm using
/use Dreadfire Vessel
/cast Flagellation

and it's only casting Flagellation

fleet whale Apr 23, 2021, 6:01 AM

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make sure you don't have a typo

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in your macro

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 6:02 AM

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I copy pasted what I had

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 6:02 AM

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i don't see a typo in there

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should work

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idk

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Yeah idk either

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it's not working

rare belfry Apr 23, 2021, 6:09 AM

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Did u try use 13 or 14 aka itemslot ?

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 6:11 AM

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yeah /use 13 and /use 14 have been more consistent for me than the trinket

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name

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Nope, neither of those work either

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wait

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14 works

fallen arch Apr 23, 2021, 6:26 AM

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final fossil I'm using /use Dreadfire Vessel /cast Flagellation and it's only casting Flagel...

Try doing /use 13 or 14

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For trinket slots

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 6:26 AM

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/cast Dreadfire Vessel

fallen arch Apr 23, 2021, 6:26 AM

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Oh there you are

full tendon Apr 23, 2021, 6:27 AM

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cast if name, use if slot number---I believe

final fossil Apr 23, 2021, 6:27 AM

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Yeah, use 14 is working

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Thanks for the assist

gusty mirage Apr 23, 2021, 6:28 AM

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plus makes it easier if you ever switch out trinkets

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just put the other on-use in that same slot

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don't need to change macros

compact pumice Apr 23, 2021, 6:47 AM

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If you shift+click the item it will put in the whole use/cast string, in the case you don’t want to use pvp trinket even if it’s the slot 13 when popping Vendetta

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I just put in all my trinkets I wanna use in a row, with Blood Fury, with Vendetta or something so some long cd trinkets go in that macro and others go in a more spammed ability if it doesn’t line up with another big cd exactly.

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 6:56 AM

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i dont like having trinkets macroed to vendetta especially for M+ because sometimes you want to use a trinket on a big pull but save vendetta for pride

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i don't like the lack of flexibility

compact pumice Apr 23, 2021, 7:31 AM

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Yeah I agree. But you can have trinket bound to several macros and or pop it by its lonesome. But if you are popping vendetta you usually want to pop some trinkets if you have them on and available

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I have some trinkets bound to many macros

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And I have the trinket bound to a regular keybind too, such as #showtooltip /use 13

wide stone Apr 23, 2021, 7:37 AM

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So how are the cov leggos looking thus far?

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Cause the venthyr and Necrolord ones look absolutely bonkers for raid/m+ respectively

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 7:40 AM

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Venthyr one doesn't seem to beat Doomblade from preliminary sims

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Doomspike seems fuckin insane tho

tender crown Apr 23, 2021, 8:09 AM

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what's go to cov for us atm

vocal karma Apr 23, 2021, 8:10 AM

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See pins

agile geode Apr 23, 2021, 8:51 AM

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Doomspikes is the new necro legg?

rotund wigeon Apr 23, 2021, 8:53 AM

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can someone explain me, why my envenom and melee dmg (and overall all dmg) is so much lower as the dmg from nekropsy?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/6jHJ14WaFQDKTnRG/WXrfTkFjNCZqgbmc#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=12,4&start=12462820,12359000&end=12763336,12659516

tulip nacelle Apr 23, 2021, 8:54 AM

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elaborate planning, higher ilvl mainhand

limber lion Apr 23, 2021, 8:55 AM

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He does more damage with every single ability

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Not just Envenom/Melee

iron orchid Apr 23, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Exactly

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he also used an agility pot instead of a phantom fire

limber lion Apr 23, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Probably just better gear and uptime.

iron orchid Apr 23, 2021, 8:55 AM

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eventhough this is minor

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Better player

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omegalul

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Jk

tulip nacelle Apr 23, 2021, 8:56 AM

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agi pot as well

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 8:57 AM

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iron orchid he also used an agility pot instead of a phantom fire

@tulip nacelle

tulip nacelle Apr 23, 2021, 8:57 AM

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hmm

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guess I can't read afterall

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kekl

fallow otter Apr 23, 2021, 8:57 AM

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Me either haha

rotund wigeon Apr 23, 2021, 9:12 AM

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tulip nacelle elaborate planning, higher ilvl mainhand

summary:

elaborate vs. blindside
sharpening stone + agi pot vs oil + shadow pot
better mainhand

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elaborate is basically the results of his +dmg vs. mine, right?

tulip nacelle Apr 23, 2021, 9:14 AM

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is the reason he has higher envenom damage

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I'm no sin expert

compact pumice Apr 23, 2021, 9:25 AM

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rotund wigeon elaborate is basically the results of his +dmg vs. mine, right?

I don’t really understand the question for some reason

lavish grove Apr 23, 2021, 9:38 AM

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Guys, how can I change the ilevel of an item in sims? Got a 207 iqd and sims lower but want to sim it at 220

sinful cradle Apr 23, 2021, 9:39 AM

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Gear compare

lavish grove Apr 23, 2021, 9:40 AM

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gotchu, thanks. Forgot about gear compare tab

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hmm guess iqd 220 is worse than 213 hateful chain

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with my gear atleast

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24 crit, 26 haste, 31 mastery. Guess I need to switch some master to haste right for it to work?

low girder Apr 23, 2021, 9:43 AM

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crit

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if you get crit highest it'll be go up quite a bit

lavish grove Apr 23, 2021, 9:44 AM

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Ok perfect, thank you. I'll see what I can switch around

rotund wigeon Apr 23, 2021, 9:52 AM

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compact pumice I don’t really understand the question for some reason

trying to optimise my sludgefist dmg

compact pumice Apr 23, 2021, 9:54 AM

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rotund wigeon trying to optimise my sludgefist dmg

But the phrasing of the question is weird. Like all of the things you listed contributes to Envenom doing more damage and will contribute during each Sludgefist pillar. Doesn’t necessarily mean that agi pot will make you do more damage during that window, but it will make your envenom hit harder.

rotund wigeon Apr 23, 2021, 9:59 AM

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and my burst is build on envenom, right? so my burst on the pillars are basically a "how high my envenom hit" thing?

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because you try to prepare everything for do as much dmg as possible with envenom in this pillar-phases?

compact pumice Apr 23, 2021, 10:00 AM

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Why only focus on envenom though? All damage you do in that window matters. So elaborate planning increases Envenom damage but also all other damage done during that period

rotund wigeon Apr 23, 2021, 10:01 AM

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yes sure

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lets reconsider my question:

I try to optimise my overall dmg and pillar burst
Also, I try to understand why all of my dmg is lower as the dmg of the other rogue i compared to, which resulted in elaborate plan vs. blindside

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🙂

compact pumice Apr 23, 2021, 10:05 AM

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I’d say since you can pool energy before pillar and you would have to be real lucky for blindside to do more damage during the pillar, but it can happen. Though EP is a lot more reliable.

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Agi pot sharpening stones are also more reliable during that window

rotund wigeon Apr 23, 2021, 10:13 AM

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makes total sense, yes ❤️

storm hedge Apr 23, 2021, 10:14 AM

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rotund wigeon and my burst is build on envenom, right? so my burst on the pillars are basicall...

Garrote and rupture are important to have as well since they regen your energy for more uptime on your mutilates and envenoms. You should refresh them right before the charge. I do it even when they are not in pandemic window.

deep meteor Apr 23, 2021, 10:22 AM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Apr 23, 2021, 10:22 AM

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Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

storm hedge Apr 23, 2021, 10:23 AM

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If it was my log I would ask myself why do I have less casts even though I was alive for longer.

lavish grove Apr 23, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Have they said what the hell happens if you make a covenant lego and you change covenants? 😫

weak talon Apr 23, 2021, 10:34 AM

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It just starts to collect dust in your bank I guess. Why would you use it without cov ability?

compact pumice Apr 23, 2021, 10:34 AM

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lavish grove Have they said what the hell happens if you make a covenant lego and you change ...

Nothing probably happens, the effect would be pretty unuseful though if you didn't have the ability it boosts

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Unless they have made it so you make "one covenant legendary" and it swaps depending on your covenant.

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That would be an ideal solution tbh, but too logical to be implemented the first time around, probably in 9.2 after a bit of complaints first sadge

weak talon Apr 23, 2021, 10:37 AM

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Naah that solution would make you less doing boring shit like torghast

rotund wigeon Apr 23, 2021, 10:47 AM

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storm hedge Garrote and rupture are important to have as well since they regen your energy f...

i constantly find myself in the situation, where i want to held up envenom and went into stress refreshing rupture at 1-2 sec, same for garrote. what about that?

rigid tartan Apr 23, 2021, 11:02 AM

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If Necro Doomspike can reach Venthyr Singletarget Performance then that will be the new meta for Assa likely I think

compact pumice Apr 23, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Well yeah, if it's even close, since it would outdps on multi target by so much

storm hedge Apr 23, 2021, 11:04 AM

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I do it too. As long as you don't let it drop it's fine. I sometimes argue with myself if it's worth it to envenom during shiv if it means that rupture won't be up for a very short time. But that's just a marginal difference. Since Rupture does more dmg per cast than Envenom it is propably better to use it over Envenom. In sims Rupture gets refreshed even during shiv window. Garrote should never be a problem imo. @rotund wigeon

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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong

lavish stirrup Apr 23, 2021, 11:30 AM

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Hello, can one (aka me) get tips based on logs from yesterday's raid pliz? 🙂

foggy moat Apr 23, 2021, 11:30 AM

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do we wanna go full ST for m+ this week? or is AoE still worth it

frosty anchor Apr 23, 2021, 11:38 AM

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As far as I’m aware the ST build isn’t THAT much ahead in sims but you lose a lot more outside of bosses by going ST. IMO not worth it but going doomblade could be for certain dungeons (ToP for example)

sick scarab Apr 23, 2021, 11:46 AM

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going dashing for low keys is a good compromise for aoe and single targhet when trash are not fortified

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as low i mean 15

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more up you go more zoldick kicks in

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full single targhet wiht dashing and PB

vast forum Apr 23, 2021, 12:00 PM

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isn't zoldyck just superior for m+?

swift dragon Apr 23, 2021, 12:03 PM

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yes

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M+ leggos is zoldyck>scoundrel>doomblade

swift dragon Apr 23, 2021, 12:03 PM

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foggy moat do we wanna go full ST for m+ this week? or is AoE still worth it

no

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subterfuge and iron wire are just too good for dungeons

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being able to stop mobs from casting for 10 seconds each each pack is kinda nutty

frigid kestrel Apr 23, 2021, 12:04 PM

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uhhh what?

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3 seconds

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

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It's 6 with iron wire

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3 base + 3 talent

frigid kestrel Apr 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

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ye

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but not 10

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

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And yeah, zoldyck is pretty much always going to be better than dashing and doomblade

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We don't have enough crit to even get the benefit from dashing most of the time because most of our cp is spent on ct and bleeds

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And pb is just worse than ct in 7/8 dungeons. You lose to much overall. And going pb at the moment is the only way to get decent evenom uptime in a key

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You're inting your overall dps for more crit chance on your Poisons and evenom and pb. It's not an even trade

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Like sure you can time a 15 with dashing but it's not helping you do that

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At least doomblade has some minor value when you aren't able to evenom

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Maybe in a tier or two then we get insane stuff like that 200 crit rating ring

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For low keys, if anything, you should run MA

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The ns ct ma build kicks ass in low keys

winter vapor Apr 23, 2021, 12:20 PM

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I feel pepoples definition of 'low' keys is very different to mine xD

frozen drift Apr 23, 2021, 12:23 PM

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I would have to disagree with you immensely. Doomblade, at least in raid content, has proven to be a boon in dps. Didnt realize it until I had another Assassin Rogue in raid group and they outdpsed me. I was doing 4.7k and they were it 5.3k. They were 12 ilvls lower and the only difference was doomblade leather hands. Fashioned a set with the excess soul ash i had. I was doing 5.2k steady after that. And the zoldyck leggos i had were at 235 ilvl. the doomblade hands i fashioned were at 190 and I STILL did more dps.

stoic needle Apr 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

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We're talking about keys not raids