assassination

[arctic cloud]

ngl though, sepsis is kinda fun

[swift dragon]

the republicans are literally reverse pog

gop

grand old party

[frail fossil]

i never want to step in fucking night fae sanctum

[ruby birch]

Stepsis

[swift dragon]

nf is so fucked

ass tier cov

[halcyon zealot]

[arctic cloud]

sanctum is aids, but sepsis is fun

[frail fossil]

necro is alpha cov

[swift dragon]

nah

[halcyon zealot]

im still getting used to sbs

[swift dragon]

kyrian and venth are where its at

[arctic cloud]

i just wanna hurry up and go necro again though, but blizz thinks its okay to still lock them behind resets

[lofty shell]

necro cov is actually surprisingly good

[swift dragon]

kyrian=vent>necro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nf

[fluid blaze]

heey boi anyone have a shiv tracker?

can't create one sadly

[swift dragon]

ipse's weakauras has one built in

so does dbnameplates

[limber lion]

You can find plenty of those in wago.io

Here's a few packs as well where you can steal them from

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vagrant bison]

Someone has a plater script or WA to track empowered garrotes?

To make them somehow different from the regular ones

[limber lion]

There's plenty in Wago

[grave dock]

there are a few; I wouldn't say plenty (a lot are old or broken)

[vagrant bison]

Haven't found a single one

[grave dock]

yea, they're not actually that easy to find

luxos's WA package has them though

er luxthos I think?

something like that

[vagrant bison]

I tried it but haven't noticed any difference between normal ones and the empowered

[grave dock]

color should be different on the timer

[vagrant bison]

I will look at that again when I am home, maybe I missed something

[limber lion]

https://wago.io/HyKnScWMz

[grave dock]

I still can't find one for CT

although that's less important

mystler sent me one that works for CT as well but it gives me constant LUA errors and kinda breaks my game

[limber lion]

Just use the same weakaura as for Gar but modify the triggers to CT instead of Gar

[grave dock]

yea i'm gonna end up doing that

[halcyon zealot]

does anyone know how to get rid of that slight border around the spells in WA, cant find it in any display options

[undone eagle]

Someone who uses addon threat plate?

[limber lion]

The border options are in the Display-tab

[halcyon zealot]

ya, literally just said im lookin in display tab n theres no border options lol

[limber lion]

Ye

But it is there.

[grave dock]

it is

it's a separate menu near the very bottom

but you have to click a single line to expand the option so people often miss it

[limber lion]

Or maybe it uses an icon that has a border already tied to it

[grave dock]

that could also be

[limber lion]

[worthy heart]

Quick but probably a dumbfuck question: do our dots work with snapshotting?

[limber lion]

Well, not really

[grave dock]

you can always change the icons back to the default icons for each spell, the defaults don't have borders

[limber lion]

With Nightstalker you can snapshot gar/rup/ct

But nothing else than that really.

The dots work dynamically.

[grave dock]

and subterfuge

[limber lion]

Ye Subt for garr as well.

[worthy heart]

Ok thanks, yea i meant if they were dynamic with stats or could be snapshot at the end of flagellation/iqd buffs

[limber lion]

Yeah can't do that

It's dynamic.

[grave dock]

almost nothing works with snapshotting anymore

[worthy heart]

Alright thanks alot

[strange python]

Anyone else think adding the covenant specific legendaries is just gonna be a huge buggy cluster fuck in 9.1?

[frail fossil]

depends if there is outlier or not, if they are all bad, if they are all good etc etc

[halcyon zealot]

update - i have masque enabled and that was my issue 🙂 negative iq

[dawn ivy]

i really hope covenant legendaries dont make one covenant way stronger than others

[gusty mirage]

I just hope it’s not night fae for rogues. I have the other 3 at 40 renown

[grave dock]

I dunno why those legendaries would be buggier than any other legendary

[teal bloom]

I hope it is nightfae :) it's the only covenant i have above 1 renown

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I hope it's NF

Because Soulshape

[gusty mirage]

Ah well, at least then I’ll get all 4 to 40

Wait it’s 80 in 9.1

[lean rover]

[dawn ivy]

Nf leggo just turns it into a no CD maintenance bleed

[gusty mirage]

I fully expect the rogue leggos to pan out like the rogue changes going into SL, half assed last resort “oh shit we gotta give them something” changes

[dawn ivy]

i kinda want them to just not be a thing. Id like DB/zoldyck/Dashing to be our go to's in the coming tiers

unless they actually knock them out of the park and somehow make the legendaries turn our lazy covenant abilities into something fun to press

[polar cape]

I have no idea what lego they couls give to sepsis

[arctic cloud]

turn Alacrity into a leggo

[lunar otter]

whats stats u boys runnin on zoldyck?

[limber lion]

haste crit

[patent topaz]

Wonder if I should make zold for slg reclear on monday and play that

[torn atlas]

Sbs is fun af to press

[compact pumice]

Something like this usually removes border (well, replaces the blizz border with a subtle one). You can also just do a higher zoom (like 30%) to remove the border part of the icon and skip the added black border.

Turns the icons into something like this instead

[strange python]

Exactly how I feel

[halcyon zealot]

yeah, border had nothing to do with WA, it was masque, thats why i was confused @compact pumice ty tho

[heavy trail]

Ok at 4 rewnown and happy i switched to NL so much more engaging an ability then flag so far so good just a bit of a hassle to start at 0 rewown even compared to a fresh 60

[gusty mirage]

Just hop in lfr, normal, and heroic raids this week and you’ll get a dozen maybe two dozen renown

Assuming you full clear all

But bless your soul if you do a full clear of LFR, shits rough

[frail fossil]

i found lfr fairly easy to do

except shriekwing lmfao

[gusty mirage]

Shriek and sludge which should be the easiest are a disaster

You’ll get at minimum 3 sludge pulls where the tank just tanks them in the middle of all 4 pillars

[heavy trail]

they should start you at like 10 or so so you can start doing the campaign a bit its easier on a fresh 60 haha

Thanks for the tips though

[gusty mirage]

Oh def do lfr then, free 187 gear

[umbral sigil]

cov doesnt matter much huh

seems like necro if i wanna pvp and pve huh

[heavy trail]

im sure flag with a good ilevel conduit probably does more damage but sbs is usable dynamically in m+ and on multiple targets and is range.

[gusty mirage]

Pvp is fine for all, each having their own distinct benefits. Night fae is probably the most “balanced” for all content though

But yeah looks like necro is the winner

[cyan kite]

Trying to get used to mouseover casting sbs

[arctic cloud]

is there a softcap on earning renown in one day/week?

[heavy trail]

don't think so but I do feel that itt might slow down a bit once you get near the max

[ancient parcel]

"padding purposes" lol

[crude agate]

any merit to considering zoldyck for M Sire prog? Looking at WCL it seems top parses all use Doomblade but I'm kind of curious about Zoldyck for progging p3 (when we get to that point)

[ancient parcel]

zoldyck is definitely worth considering. depends on where your group needs damage

[crude agate]

I'm already looking at filling a niche because they just don't need a mediocre aoe from outlaw, we have that covered in spades

[limber lion]

Just messing with ya

[wary ice]

zoldyck for p3 prog is worth while

Doomblade is more damage throughout so better parese

[ancient parcel]

doomblade is also good if you are struggling on p2 damage like my group was

[wary ice]

^

It really depends on where you're wiping

[crude agate]

we're nowhere near P3 yet anyways. I'll just stick with Doomblade until Zoldyck has the prospect of being useful and see how things look when we actually start seeing P3

[wary ice]

ultimately you can slap db on and forget it and nothing really changes

[polar cape]

Legendary wont fix people not knowing left and right sadly

[wary ice]

Thats a good legendary

Its just a fatty arrow over your head that points to the mechanics everyones ignoring

[polar cape]

Additional effect : reduce tilt per % on boss health

[rotund wigeon]

I like

[vestal wren]

the new soulbind trees look interesting

[rotund wigeon]

yep

feels nothing changes so far from 9.0.5 for rogue, still assa ST, outlaw m+/mt3+

[stoic needle]

I think necro is going to be very competitive

[vestal wren]

9.0.5 did make assassination rly compatitive in raids

[stoic needle]

The raid design seems like a very good one for sin from what I've seen so far

[vestal wren]

9.1 is hard to predict yet, but the changes don't look like they change the balance between specs

[faint harness]

They havent done any buffing of any kind yet

If they dont do anything about sub its just going to die again, seems like a waste

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[drifting merlin]

Ok so this week aint the week i need for zoldrycks .. but can you farm it in twisting corridors when u get the correct one ? and which is the correct one ? and do i need to do it on level 3 ? 🙂

[stoic needle]

Yes, yes, coldheart interstitia

[fervent beacon]

Yes you can farm it in TC, just have to get the right wing.

[vagrant bison]

there is a huge difference between master assasin (talent) and subterfuge in raids? i haven't really tried MA before at all

so i feel more comfortable with subterfuge

[vocal karma]

Why not simply sim it for your character?

[sturdy forge]

So for keys as ventyr Theodar with dubble potensy or Wasteland Propriety and flag?

[fervent beacon]

MA is better for ST. Cleave like Huntsman, I run subt.

[balmy condor]

Wasteland is slightly better, but double potency can be good, especially in big aoe

[sturdy forge]

thank you. comming from main fury warrior and its 1 legendary and 1 spec for everything aoe wice

big weeb so play NF

as fury

[balmy condor]

Yeah we can play pretty much whatever and do fine

[slender trail]

anyone have any experience w/ sin on sun king mythic? progging this with a new guild and our shield dps has razor thin margins. i'm thinking of going sin as it seems like the only way you don't win this fight is failing shields.

[balmy condor]

Sub does more shield damage if that’s what you’re interested in

[slender trail]

hmm that makes sense. been so focused on outlaw and sin i forgot about sub

[lean coral]

just like blizzard

[dull cloak]

blizzard devs trinket sap and died in opener

[weak horizon]

Sin still does more than sub overall in st and still has better shield burst than outlaw so that could be advantageous

What's the rotation look like on like 7ish targets and above when using the zoldyck build? Garotte opener into 2 ruptures then get CT up and just manage 4-5 garrote/ruptures while making sure ct doesn't fall off?

@balmy condor ^

[balmy condor]

Rupture as many things as you can

Maintain CT, refreshing at 4 or less seconds

Can weave in the odd envenom during a shiv if you’re feeling it

[weak horizon]

And garotte on cd?

Thx

[gloomy knoll]

@balmy condor does using ct in ma window do anything

er i guess better put would be is it worth ever using in ma window

[balmy condor]

Yes

That’s the crux of the NS build

[wary ice]

ct does more raw damage than env before the dot at like 3 targets

you can easily turn vanish windows in aoe to build to 4/5cp->shiv->vanish->CT->mut to 4/5 -> env

[gloomy knoll]

yea no ns though

[balmy condor]

I mean gar gar gar CT

Seems fine

[gloomy knoll]

i'm talking about denny shitter ads for instance in p1

is it worth like vanish ct fan envenom

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[gloomy knoll]

does it affect anything outside the initial hit of the ct

[wary ice]

all ticks in the window

[balmy condor]

The bleed crits for the duration

[gloomy knoll]

oh

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t snapshot tho

So you get 2 ticks

And that’s it

[gloomy knoll]

and the initial hit right?

[balmy condor]

Yes of course

[gloomy knoll]

neato

i'll try to focus on that more then ty

[strange python]

When you apply garrote and rupture to a target is the regen cap 8 or does it double to 16 due to both

[balmy condor]

Each bleed tick is 8

Garrote and rupture tick individually

So they both will give energy

For 8 each

[strange python]

Ah I see okay I’m getting a little better with the rotation I’m just finding it hard to have timing for properly using envenoms while trying to keep poisons on 3 targets or more

[wary ice]

poisons or bleeds?

[strange python]

Y’all been a real help though

Bleeds

Sorry

[wary ice]

dont be; poisons are easier to fix

What talents are you using?

[strange python]

Well I have talents set up for like a ST situation can that be why? I have blind side deeper strat then all middle until last

[wary ice]

i mean

[stoic needle]

you don't really have time to envenom when you are keeping up bleeds on 3+ targets

[wary ice]

obivously subterfuge will make maintaining garrotes on 3 targets much easier

[stoic needle]

but one thing you can do is use 2-3cp ruptures instead of 5-6cp ones

since the damage isn't based on cp spent

it's linear

[fallen current]

i assume cast CT on multi target to keep the bleed going no matter the pack size?

[wary ice]

2+ target its maintain the dot

I think you aslo try and maintain it in st?

[fallen current]

4+ for damage?

[wary ice]

if env buff is running

[balmy condor]

But does it tick faster

[stoic needle]

wut

[strange python]

So envenom isn’t the hard hitting ended you’d want to use while applying shiv?

[fallen current]

alright

[wary ice]

What fight are you having trouble with?

[balmy condor]

I caught up on a conversation earlier about some weird shit about rupture and garrote ticking at different rates

so I'm meming

[stoic needle]

oh

[balmy condor]

garrote hasn't had a 3 second tick rate since legion for the record

[stoic needle]

it's what i get for not double checking everything lmao

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

So in aoe scenarios you’re really focusing on all poisons so then is shiv useless?

until boss fight?

And bleeds

I keep saying poisons I’m sorry lmao I mean bleeds

[arctic cloud]

You’d want to shiv on CD?

[strange python]

Cause then that would mean envenom is only necessary at boss fights

[arctic cloud]

Because Of deadly poison

It’s just straight up more dps

[strange python]

Thought shiv only affect envenmon

[arctic cloud]

Think it’s all poisons

[strange python]

Ah okay I read it wrong then

[arctic cloud]

I’m on my phone so not 100% sure

[strange python]

No no you’re right I loooked it up it’s all nature damage

That would b poisons

I’m assuming

[arctic cloud]

Yeh sounds about right

[balmy condor]

shiv is nature damage

which is poisons, correct

[strange python]

Okay well from starting with the training dummies yesterday I was like at 3.5k dps tryna learn rotation for like a minute straight now I’m at 4.6 after a minute so I’m getting a lil improvement I’m focusing on trying to keep things up for just two adds and the shiv plus vanish window with envenom

Must say this spec is very very engaging lol I like it a lot I wonder if subt is much different

[balmy condor]

subtlety or subterfuge

[limber lion]

[lucid knoll]

Hello guys, would somebody mind giving me an explanation on the strengths of IQD?, I've read about how its apparently pretty strong if you use it when it would proc a stat buff or the execute. But is it good for sin with the 3 min timer not lining up with Vendetta?, is it stronger
throughput than a trinket like Hateful Chain or is it just used for bursting?. Thanks.

[balmy condor]

you hold it for vend

usually fights aren't longer than 6 minutes

so you'd use it on pull, and then with vend at 4 min

[cyan kite]

SBS or mut out of initial stealth for single target opener with MA?

[sweet zealot]

anyone else watching limit max raid test with sin rogue and figuring out the conduits xD

[balmy condor]

sbs

[compact pumice]

Calling Lashing Scars trash sent the chat into uproar

[sweet zealot]

right

[icy ember]

yo so what is your raid opener as sin? someone give me something to work with

mut snd mut gar rup, assuming you get 4 on the 2nd mut is pretty much what I have so far

where does vendetta fit in there and flag

[balmy condor]

flag before the rup

vend after

[icy ember]

what about shiv

[balmy condor]

shiv after the rup

[icy ember]

so mut>snd>mut>gar>flag>rup>shiv>ven>mutilate til 4+>vanish>e>m(til 4+)>e (assumin you get 4 on the 2nd mute)

[balmy condor]

this is pretty much good to go

[icy ember]

that 1 has rupture before ven

[balmy condor]

yeah?

[icy ember]

oh sorry i didnt notice the flag

[strange python]

do you guys use agi pots or phantom atm

i simmed it and says agi is better

just wondering what you guys use

[balmy condor]

agi double stone

just for consistency

[icy ember]

really? im still using phantom, is that ancient tech

[balmy condor]

no

they're both fine

I just hate that phantom does like 2 ticks sometimes

[icy ember]

i honestly dont even notice it, im more worried about not fucking up my rotation/where im standing

it just does stuff

[dull cloak]

phantom pumps sometimes

[twilit flax]

I thought you wanted to vend before flag for extra flag dmg on opener. Swear I saw that discussion in here.

[stoic needle]

yes

[icy ember]

alright so which person is right before i go and beat on a dummy for 2 hours

[stoic needle]

the real answer is that it doesn't matter that much

icy veins isn't a hyper in depth guide

[icy ember]

well acktsually 🤓

ye you prolly right, but there is a correct way of doin things

[drifting cloud]

no because opener globals are withing error margin

so yeah its all correct in a sense

[celest marlin]

any conduit guide for night fae m+ and raid ?

[balmy condor]

all in the pins

[strange python]

if you dont want to use the master assassin and blindside combo for ST is there other choices that are close in damage?

[carmine token]

I crafted a doomblade, and so for talents, raidbots reports 332 is +29dps over 331. I'm only talking first 3 talent changes. Since I'm venth, according to most of the notes, DS would be the way to go (and sims higher). Am I understanding the philosphy that since I have a fair bit of haste + flag/venth, that I should always pick DS? Or is 30dps not that big of a deal and I can pick whatever feels better?

[balmy condor]

elab subterfuge vigor is probably like 3% worse

[balmy condor]

Deeper will keep pulling ahead as you get more gear

but vigor isn't awful

[strange python]

mmm ok so ill think about that instead if i want to be completely lazy in not trying to prioritize vanish at right times

im 218 as assassin spec

[carmine token]

Got it, thanks much

[balmy condor]

well you would still need to vanish with vendetta

[strange python]

18% haste and 28% crit

[balmy condor]

regardless of talent choice

that entire row is stealth related

[strange python]

I mean yea but thats 20 seconds of vendetta

[balmy condor]

and not vanishing is a pretty significant loss because of it

[strange python]

but whehn u use ambush u have to worry bout not making sure you have to apply a poison and also activating shiv before

[balmy condor]

what

[strange python]

im honestly jus being noob but want to go into raid and not perform so bad lol

[balmy condor]

how does ambush and poisons and shiv

I'm so lost

[strange python]

wait you are right...you dont need to shiv for ambush sorry lol

[balmy condor]

we don't even ambush from stealth

we just use blindside procs

[strange python]

i was focusing on the opener thinking that its necessary to always activate shiv before ambush

i keep saying ambbush

i mean vanish

i meant vanish everytime i said ambush

[carmine token]

lol

[balmy condor]

I mean you do you

sin is a super super super easy spec

I think you're overcomplicating it

[strange python]

yes yes i think so as well i tend to do that a lot

using vanish within the shiv window to use envenom doesnt matter at all then?

for more dps?

[limber lion]

That is what you want to do, yes.

[strange python]

so if you didnt want to worry about that hypothetically speaking there's other talent choices that are less thoughtful than that or will all pairings have situational aspects

[balmy condor]

all 3 talents require you to think about your vanish

you're not getting around it

[strange python]

oh damn..alright

[limber lion]

That talent row is the reason Vanish is an offensive CD for Assa.

[strange python]

oh ok i was trying to obviously be very lazy in thinking I could jump in and press everything on cd and call it a day lol

thanks for clarifying that aint an option for vanish

[balmy condor]

that's exactly what we do

we press shiv, vanish and vendetta, on cooldown, in single target

[strange python]

well of course but Ive noticed a couple times I would use vanish but I had the choice to use envenom or use rupture cause it was coming off and that shouldnt happen

[balmy condor]

are you playing around pandemic timers?

[strange python]

so i would prioritize keeping the bleeds up and not be able to get the big envenom hits

uhm to be honest its just a lot for me the symbols that show on the health bar I cant even tell if its rupture or garrote running out because the numbers take up the whole icon even when the icon glows displaying pandemic

im using plater im trying to stop the numbers from showing so I can see the icons more visibly but having trouble

[balmy condor]

you're tracking single target stuff

using nameplates?

that's cursed

[strange python]

lmaoooo

ugh

what do i do 😦

[balmy condor]

do you not have weakauras for single target?

[carmine token]

The WA linked in the post helps with timer cooldown for ST. This is more for multitarget but, there's an option in plater for custom buffs, you can add Garrote and Rupt there, and your debuffs show up on the nameplates with timers, different from the other debuffs

[strange python]

uhm...yea i have wa

[balmy condor]

I don't even look at nameplates out of m+

[strange python]

luxathos

[limber lion]

Me neither

[balmy condor]

so just look at that then

if you have luxthos

[strange python]

uhhh I wish i could set it up to show much bigger on the left hand side the individual bleed and timer going for it

hard to concentrate on wa as its lower on my screen and im not yet used to the placings of skills

[balmy condor]

[nocturne hawk]

like that whole vertical bar is for st

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

is that

[strange python]

lmfao

[limber lion]

Then move it up?

[serene basin]

thats a new game

[limber swallow]

looks like something Infexious would do

[serene basin]

addons of warcraft

[nocturne hawk]

wow is like a text game for me lol

[strange python]

i like how big the icons on top of the healthbar is

[nocturne hawk]

icon smasher

[strange python]

its moved up but I cant seem to make them bigger/wider as a whole to see icons easier

[limber lion]

Take a screenshot of your ui

Or don't.

[gusty mirage]

That’s.... a lot

[frail fossil]

what's the apl use of sbs ? cast it when you need 3 cps to max ?

[strange python]

its zoomed in though cause i snipped it

[balmy condor]

wow

[strange python]

but its farther on my screen lol

[balmy condor]

that looks like a normal ass ui

I'm impressed

[strange python]

lmao

[balmy condor]

apply at start for dot, then use during either marrowed gemstone, or spread it out for LBE during vendetta, or to avoid capping charges

[frail fossil]

thank you

gotta make a wa for marrowed gemstone

[gusty mirage]

Flower are you abandoning the fury warrior with pistols?

[frail fossil]

not by choice

[mystic owl]

hey guys,im new here. Any opinion about taletns for mythic? ty

[balmy condor]

in the pins

[gusty mirage]

Well we still love and appreciate you

[nocturne hawk]

yeah but no matter where I'm looking I know exactly what my dot timers are lol
not playing the game for the scenery

[gusty mirage]

Fair enough

[umbral sigil]

bone boys for sin pvp?

[balmy condor]

sure

[umbral sigil]

or does it not matter so much

[gusty mirage]

It’s seeming like bone bones for everyone rn

[umbral sigil]

yeesh

worst transmog

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/mUyg7xmCx

[gusty mirage]

But for PvP (I’m sure #pvp can give you a better answer I’m just a 1900 shitter), fae’s still good, necro is good, and even venthyr

[umbral sigil]

and pve theyre all pretty close from what i saw earlier

guess im boning

[gusty mirage]

Yeah except for kyrian

We don’t Stan the owlboys anymore

[thorny pond]

Owlboys were always false prophets

"Keep the kyrians pure" sounds like some 1930s propaganda in a blue tint

[heavy trail]

The last guy for NL heimer or whatever the best one for M+ ?

[gusty mirage]

I think emeni’s a bit better for m+ but top gear on raidbots can give you a better answer. I think most people keep Heimer for raid because gemstones is super strong

[uneven plume]

Heimr helps you emeni helps group

[heavy trail]

Alright ill take a peek need to keep one for my sub pvp one as well

Gonna use the first guy I guess for assassin pvp and iether 2/3 for assassin m+ i dont raid too heavy so not a big deal

[uneven plume]

Tbh. Emeni haste increase is pretty good for sin. Just depends on your crit I think

[stoic needle]

I think gemstones is better overall

Considering how good crit is for sin in aoe

But lbe isnt bad at all

[uneven plume]

Yah that crit window is pretty good for a Necro sin

Sbs slaps

Plus I have like 24% mastery

Sbs is higher right?

With higher mastery

[stoic needle]

Sbs scales with mastery yeah

The dot at least

In the keys I played last night with emeni, the intial + dot + sudden fractures total damage of sbs made it my #3 damage dealer

Gar > ct > sbs > melee

#3 or #4 I can't remember exactly

And I was definitely not playing it optimally

I have 34% mastery

[heavy trail]

so kind of a toss up on the last 2 for M+ overall OK will probably just choose the selfish one or the one that's not as good for sub haha :)_

[umbral slate]

Is it just me or does spiteful feel awful for level 25 talent row (subterfuge etc. )

[uneven plume]

Just getting restealths is harder

With spiteful

[stoic needle]

Yeah but it's not that big of a dps loss

[umbral slate]

Yeah but not getting iron wire garrotes down is Sadge

:<

[compact pumice]

Just practice some not from stealth openers and you'll be equally as prepared for it

[stoic needle]

Ceverion did a sim that compared normal restealthing to literally no restealths at all and it was like an 80 dps loss

I couldn't believe it

[compact pumice]

Yeah it was only vanishes

[umbral slate]

Yee but the damage reduction and long silence 🤔

feelsbad

[compact pumice]

Just blame the casters for never interrupting

[stoic needle]

It's always the ranged's fault

[umbral slate]

so do we like IQD?

[stoic needle]

Yes we do

Iqd is amazing

[umbral slate]

Excellent

coming from hunterville so things be different

[stoic needle]

If you gear for crit and use the MA talent you basically have 100% crit when you vanish with iqd

So it's like having 2 legendaries

[compact pumice]

Some people have PTSD from not getting buffs from it

[stoic needle]

I don't have that problem at all

[compact pumice]

Use the weakaura and make sure you'

[stoic needle]

The weakaura makes it very predictable

You usually just use it on pull and then save it for lust

[compact pumice]

're not overlapping with some huge boss raid dam

[stoic needle]

And it's fine

[umbral slate]

yee and even so what's the chance of being low hp 5 seconds into the lust

[compact pumice]

Healer could be low mana though

[umbral slate]

only disc priests

[stoic needle]

Lust guarantees that you get stats

Your highest stat, and it's increased by 5s duration

[carmine token]

@strange python sorry late reply but this is what i do to manage dots and would technically work for your purpose. Plater > buff custom > add each dot

[strange python]

oh nice so I go to plater the nbuff custom and singularly add each dot

[carmine token]

yeah, plater then custom buffs, and on the left side you just add by name, type the name Garrote and it does the rest for you

[strange python]

oh thats beautiful it should work for sure and does it change if i change target too?

and comes horizontally like that

[carmine token]

there's a few display options. I have mine displaying on right side of the mob, so doesnt matter what you are primarily focused on, youll see if you have dots on it

[strange python]

okay im going to play with this now thank you so much

that would be nice cause if theres nothing on the right side it means theres no dot too

[carmine token]

yep

[rich halo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[steel geyser]

Is it in the same option panel to make them on the side?

[steel geyser]

Thx

[strange python]

lol you meant buff special i was trying to find where buff custom was the whole time

[carmine token]

Oops :)

[silent island]

Heya yall. What piece of gear should I put doomblade on?

[compact pumice]

Hands

[strange python]

okay quick quick question I have sharpening stones flasks and food what else is there for personal buffs?

to put on at 1 time

[balmy condor]

Poisons, flask, food, stones, the stam buff for your chest

Technically augment runes but no one uses those

Way too rare

Drop on death as well for some reason

[strange python]

I usually remove stuff from plater like DP

[hoary kernel]

During the flagellation haste buff, you still pool energy right? You only unload during first part of flagellation and during shiv?

[strange python]

Just cos it’s always on

Iqd is probably pog on sludge

[balmy condor]

During flag/shiv/vend

[strange python]

But iqd vs dena trink?

[hoary kernel]

ahh also vendetta, thanks

[strange python]

Outside these windows are we pooling at like 70?

[balmy condor]

Max - 30

[strange python]

Hol up I’m being dumasfuk

PleSe explain like I’m 5

Also anyone get a chance to see how rog is looking after raid testing

[balmy condor]

What’s your maximum energy

[stoic needle]

rog gud

[random fable]

Hello guys, quick question. For ST build, with doomblade, talents: blindside, MA, DS, CD, IW, Alacrity, PB; I'm venthyr, do I want to use flagellation on cd or have it with vendetta?

[stoic needle]

on cd

[strange python]

120

Or 170

[balmy condor]

Now remove 30

[strange python]

Cheers dad

[balmy condor]

[random fable]

Ty

[stoic needle]

@strange python i made a WA for ithttps://wago.io/3WddUC3LF

[strange python]

soooooooo again if theres a mass amount of adds 3 or more all I should be dooing is focusing on upkeep of bleeds and poisons no room for envenoms

[balmy condor]

You apply bleeds to everything that lives long enough

If you have time left over after that, or thing will die soon

You envenom

[strange python]

okay okay

[heavy summit]

when you guys spread ruptures in m+, how many CPs are you usually okay with before you do it? I find myself rupturing at 2cps thinking that that should be long enough before the mobs die

[balmy condor]

Depends on the situation

Ideally you wouldn’t finish until 4

But if it won’t last that long, can hit an envenom or use a 2-3cp

I don’t usually try and go for 2

[heavy summit]

I see ok thanks

[strange python]

do you just use all your sbs in vendetta window if its pure st

[ornate lake]

Still kinda new to the whole necro, but what i read here is: once u get a marrowed gemstone proc, you dump all charges of sbs

Because I think they do big damage too.

[stoic needle]

Either during shiv or gemstone proc

[stoic needle]

yup

it's nice, you can solidly get 3 or more envenoms in a shiv with sbs

man

with IQD

vanish with 5cp, envenom, sbs, envenom, sbs, envenom, mut, envenom

[slow marsh]

Stop making me want to go necro when I just got my 10k travel network for venthyr

[balmy condor]

The mistake was wasting your life farming anima

[slow marsh]

Tru

But you assume I farmed anima

[balmy condor]

I do because that 10k network don’t come from anywhere

[slow marsh]

But in reality I just farmed m+ for valor points and got anima

[fathom swift]

only thing i dont like about venthyr is its annoying the cds dont line up

[slow marsh]

Then only upgraded travel network because I want to get the mog

[stoic needle]

vend flag and iqd all having different CDs was driving me up the wall

[slow marsh]

But then I found out I have to farm the stupid mirrors and maybe get one piece every other day

So in all reality I am primed for swapping to Necro. Just waiting for the cov specific legendary for rogue to hit ptr

[stoic needle]

meh

i like it being a rotational ability

targets with SBS share 10% of their damage taken

[slow marsh]

It costs 20 energy right?

[stoic needle]

15

[slow marsh]

Ooo

[stoic needle]

that's why it's so good

[slow marsh]

And hits like a shadow strike?

[stoic needle]

15 energy, hits as hard as an envenom

its buggy af

the extra CP is based on the target having a dot

instead of it just giving 2cp by default

it's very dumb

[heavy trail]

Up to rewnown 14 now a few hours in but sbs is more fun and seems to still do decent damage

[balmy condor]

It’s for the same reason why sometimes you can Nightstalker the dot

[stoic needle]

you can what now

[balmy condor]

There’s networking issues where the dot hits before the projectile

[stoic needle]

spell batching

[balmy condor]

Because of weird trajectory jank

It happens more consistently if you’re at a higher elevation and shoot the sbs downwards at the target

It’s just spaghetti code

Same shit happened in antorus

We had throw knife + shadowstep macros

To snapshot deadly poison

They fixed that very quickly

Because the snapshot actually stacked

So it was like 5x the damage of every other spec in the game

For like 2 weeks

Yeh

I’m guessing that’s a remnant of the fracture mechanic that they removed

[slow marsh]

Does it only take one additional mob for Necro to beat venthyr?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slow marsh]

God dang it

Well I guess time to farm renown again

[fathom swift]

why dont you just play whatever one you like instead of farming for hours for like a 1% difference

[balmy condor]

Monke brain number good

[slow marsh]

Because if it's better it's better

[fathom swift]

what content do you do

[balmy condor]

Me monke

[slow marsh]

I do content where optimizing is gud

[fathom swift]

like what

[slow marsh]

Lfr raid

[fathom swift]

lol

[balmy condor]

[fathom swift]

people just get way too caught up in the idea of "x is bis" when it really doesnt matter that much

[slow marsh]

Maybe one day I can clear normal shriekwing

[fathom swift]

especially at this stage of the patch

[strange python]

the sbs bug stops working like midway p3 sire for me

[heavy trail]

100% necrolord is more fun to play then venth though

[torn atlas]

My dslice sims showing 250-500 increase dependant on spec and lego was a bit more than a 1% increase encouraging me to switch. I hate the maldraxxus zone aesthetic and leather set is straight garbage, but the ability is most fun of the 4 and the lore is pretty cool.

In practice tho, yeah I actually notice very little difference.

[icy ember]

when do you pop flag the 2nd time? do you hold it for vendetta?

or just use it

[heavy trail]

Remember if you DO switch you will lose all your anima so buy some stuff and sell itor whatever. Also you will start at 0 rewnown instead of 10 or so if you were a fresh 60 that had quested. This causes a small backlog of rewnown catchup that is required to do in order to continue the campaign. Save the souls/anima turn in probably for these bottlenecks and do some other content (LFR is great, heroics, mythics) to get some also

[balmy condor]

Depends on the fight time

If you’re not going to get another cast, sync it

If you are, on cooldown

[icy ember]

so gotta gigabrain it

whispyr what fights do you experience that on? any in particular?

[balmy condor]

Depends on your group

But really that logic applies to the last flag of every fight

Regardless of cooldown

[icy ember]

[balmy condor]

Should always ask “is this the last time I’m casting this cooldown in the fight?”

And if yes, you should try to sync it with whatever you can

[icy ember]

what about on sludgefist, you shouldn't have any problem sync'ing it up for all the dmg buff phases?

[balmy condor]

On sludge you hold everything for pillars

[icy ember]

hm i haven't done sludgefist in ages cuz we are constantly extending, what is the timer between pillars? is it 2minutes?

its probably not 2minutes

[fathom swift]

1 min

[icy ember]

gotcha, so you dont want to delay using vendetta at all, you want to pop it asap

[balmy condor]

It’s 0:55 for the first and 1:10 intervals to the next

So you cooldown on pull, 2, and 4

[slow marsh]

Its bonesmith with crit gems for necro on all content right?

Well I guess maybe emeni for aoe for the haste

[final star]

sim

[stoic needle]

its close enough to be personal preference

[final star]

did u do some raid testing last night>

[stoic needle]

I did

[balmy condor]

Generally yes

Emeni isn’t really worth it

[slow marsh]

Thanks. I'm simming necro vs venthyr right now and it's looking like I'm swapping

-80ish dps ST but +360 at 2 targets is kind of irrefutable

[icy ember]

@stoic needle yo how was it for sin?

im guessin you played sin

is it ST oriented raid or multitarget? the bosses you did anyway

[shy dust]

Sludge is a pure st boss

[icy ember]

no i meant in the new raid

the one he tested yesterday, chains of dominion or w/e

[fathom swift]

there was only 2 bosses up for testing

[shy dust]

both were just st bosses

[mental laurel]

I just simmed myself and the cast sequence showed the sim Vanishing and then using Mutilate rather than saving it for an Envenom. That seems to fly in the face of all logic as Envenom hits harder. Any idea what's up with that? I'm using Master Assassin talent and Doomblade

[final star]

both bosses were pure ST and assassination did big numbers

[balmy condor]

You’re probably running deeper

In which case

[mental laurel]

Nope

[balmy condor]

Oh

[final star]

Tarragrue is hard to tell, likely won't be worth all star points

[balmy condor]

Weird

[final star]

since the torghast powers so impactful

[mental laurel]

Yeah. And it used SBS on opener when I would think mut would make more sense...

[balmy condor]

Well probably still doesn’t matter

More cp is better

Sbs on opener is to get the dot up

I remember looking at vanish and opener stuff and the envenom/mut stuff is all kind of a wash

[mental laurel]

Good to know

[stoic needle]

oh y'know, LBE dauntless duelist

so with sudden fractures in m+ SBS is basically a 2nd rupture damage wise

that generates cp instead of taking it

pretty sick

[shy dust]

Gz on sludge oshosi

I don’t recall if I said so

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle

[stoic needle]

ty ty

[gusty mirage]

osh sign my mousepad

[stoic needle]

now into outlaw hell

[gusty mirage]

The water's warm, finally timed some keys with pug tanks. Feelsgood

Got IO for the first time in a month

[shy dust]

That is the true pain for slg

[strange python]

Don't get clipped by wicked blades during KS like I did first cple of pulls

[heavy trail]

i messed up and never used my initial sudden fractures conduit so I think i gimped myself when I opened the purple cache to not having a chance to get it

[rough fulcrum]

For M+ what are the best potency conduits?

[stoic needle]

sudden fractures or lethal poisons, WPS if you need priority damage, or poisoned katar if you're doing constant 5+ target aoe

[rough fulcrum]

Ty

[stoic needle]

my guildies are all like 1700-1800 io so i'm getting carried in some 18s and 19s

[limber lion]

@stoic needle oh you killed it? Grats!

[stoic needle]

yessir!

thanks

120 pulls

[gusty mirage]

thats 120 more pulls than I'll get, you should be happy with progress man. Next up CE!

[gusty mirage]

I'm just waiting for the guys in my m+ group to come back from their break and be like "yo can we do your 19/20????"

[stoic needle]

5/10 CE let's go

[gusty mirage]

CE is CE brotha 🙂

a lock in our guild is trying out for club camel this week, and he's only 7/10M w/ no CE

plus when you get CE they'll for sure do reclears and you'll nab that 10/10

[balmy condor]

That’s vel’s old guild

[gusty mirage]

I'm super excited for the guy, I hope he gets it. He's a great player and can probably pick up most classes and perform well. It's cool to see people excel at stuff, it's probably my favorite part of life tbh

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t know

Havent excelled at anything

[gusty mirage]

Oh shut up, you're an amazing resource and greatly respected and appreciated here

[balmy condor]

I have an idea for a new name off of that

[stoic needle]

excelling at simming

[balmy condor]

Uno momento

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

Cev's awake

[final star]

Really enjoyed the raid testing last night

Those two bosses were gud

[tired thistle]

Oil or Stones now?

[stoic needle]

Stone + agi gang

[limber lion]

Gm boys

[heavy trail]

darn ran like 7 de other sides still no mythic iqd variation oh well usually get a reknown so will keep at it

[final star]

Only 7?

It took 50 for one of our tanks to get blood spattered scale lol

[heavy trail]

that dropped just now haha.

[final star]

A rogue friend has done 40+ PF no phial

[gusty mirage]

I'm on run 22 on my DH

[heavy trail]

It's good practice though trying to get used to sbs

[final star]

Sbs with emeni is

[stoic needle]

Took me 12 DOS in a row to get iqd

[final star]

I still have a 207 OH dagger

[limber lion]

You'll get it eventually, don't worry!

[final star]

Dagger ain't dropping

[stoic needle]

Must've run another dozen before that

[final star]

Anywhere

[limber lion]

As long as you don't give up.

[stoic needle]

Just pvp

[final star]

🤢

[heavy trail]

i got both 207s but then again im a scrub / casual and only hit 60 a bit ago 🙂

[final star]

I should really try and get at least 1800

😩

[limber lion]

Shouldn't be too bad, especially with RBG's

[stoic needle]

I would but I've got 226/223 and I'm nearly 226 ilvl so it would be for outlaw gear basically

Which is not useful to me

[limber lion]

I'm an absolute scrub and got 1900 in 2's by cheesing with Sub oneshots. You either win the game instantly by oneshotting or lose right after if you didn't.

Geared my assa initially like that and never touched sub again after.

[final star]

[heavy trail]

I guess you guys have helped but after a certain point does the gear taper off? I am 196 so far in and 8s and below I seem to be within 1-1.5 of a lot of guys who are 220. Are they just bad? or maybe not trying or perhaps because the key isn't organized/ optimized I suppose. I just figure that once I get a bit more gear it's going to be pretty fun 🙂

Probably a lot has to do with the help this channel has provided also!

[stoic needle]

It's really hard to judge because dps in m+ varies so wildly

[gusty mirage]

here I am trying hard and avoiding the cheese

[stoic needle]

The only difinitive way to tell would be to run with the same group over and over and see how you stack up

[heavy trail]

They nerfed dagger build a bit anyway

[final star]

Assassination was performing really well last night on raid test too pog

[limber lion]

Yeh I just wanted Rival for the gear. It doesn't really work the higher you go tbh. People start to play around it.

But for lower mmr it's fine and the games are much quicker like that.

Hoping I don't have to do pvp next season though

[stoic needle]

Same

[gusty mirage]

I was shitting all over how I'm a 1800-1900 shitter and my buddy who's glad linked me some state of the ladder website and showed me that the 90th percentile for 3s is like 1754

[limber lion]

Not my fav activity tbh

[stoic needle]

I'd rather do keys than pvp for gear

[vital haven]

im conflicted

[final star]

Yeah I think they are trying to make steps to make pve gear bis for pve

And pvp for pvp

[stoic needle]

I'm glad that Assassination doesn't really need a ton of vers

[vital haven]

next tier's patchwerk fight doesnt seem as cool as sludgefist

but

it isnt bad for melee

so far at least

[stoic needle]

Yeah it seems like a less ranged friendly fight than anything

[gusty mirage]

GOOD

[vital haven]

if anything it seems worse for ranged

[gusty mirage]

ABOUT TIME

[vital haven]

or casters

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

casters have been a buncha babies this tier

[vital haven]

its just design wise

i really like sludgefist

[gusty mirage]

we literally had to redo our hungering destroyer strat 3 times because ranged couldn't figure out how to not overlap beams???

[heavy trail]

There's stil a lot of forum heroes saying how gear doesn't matter for the getting higher rating but well, if you are 200 fighting 226s you are probably or should lose lol

[vital haven]

even though it sucks for melee

@heavy trail who is saying that

[final star]

Guardian of the first ones was really fun

Tarragrue even more fun

[limber lion]

Ah ye. The higher you go, the higher your goals go as well. It's the same for raiding for many. One day getting all purple parses is great and the ultimate goal, and one day not even orange ones suffice.

[vital haven]

what everyone seems to agree on this season

[final star]

[vital haven]

is that gear matters

a lot

[stoic needle]

The beam on the guardian of the first ones is fucking massive

Ranged are gonna get blasted so hard

[final star]

Yeah good

[limber lion]

You start thinking you're shit when you're so much better than the average player.

[final star]

Melee brains rise up

This is our time

[gusty mirage]

idk if I can ever take raiding that seriously. Everyone in my guild is sad that we might not get CE this tier and I'm like meh whatever

[limber lion]

But it's hard to compare yourself to people below you

[final star]

This needs to be the meters

[limber lion]

And you just compare yourself to people above you

[final star]

Every boss

[stoic needle]

I can't wait to watch all the dumb ranged die to the spikes on the trap boss

Rogues seem to actually be able to use their defensives on stuff so far which is very nice

[gusty mirage]

But yeah, I get it. I'm a keystone nerd. Watching ellesmere and co mess around in 24s and time them while I struggle with 19s and 20s is tilting lol but I understand the skill diference there

[stoic needle]

You can evasion soak the chains, feint and cloak the soaks on tarragrue

[final star]

Rogues are gonna pop

Finally

[vital haven]

i wanted to try evasion on the cahins

had a feeling it would work

[stoic needle]

Idk its nice to have people so readily accessible to learn from

Yeah it 100% works

[limber lion]

But I do think that having an attitude where you think that you're shit and can improve and be better even at a high level is a thousand times better than thinking how much better you are than everyone. Being an arrogant prick doesn't carry far.

[final star]

We just had the person who had stun immune power stand in front of chain

[vital haven]

ye

thats the play

[heavy trail]

@vital haven It's a long story it's on the pvp forums. I got silenced there a few times for "debating" with some of these "git gud" trolls. I suppose they are doing it for giggles and taking advantage of how blizzard doesn't take care of their forums all that well. Troll posts about how they climbed at 170 ilevel etc.. (of course not factoring in they had glad 226+ buddies, etc)

[stoic needle]

The samophange power that sucks people's damage and gives it to you is rogue and spriest prio

[gusty mirage]

I like watching Seli and Ramfam and trying to pick up some stuff. But I realize that I may be a one trick pony

[limber lion]

Yeh but a lot of that is because of an organised group working together for months and practicing together

[vital haven]

literally venruki and zilea tried to climb late in this season on alts

and they couldnt do it

[heavy trail]

@vital haven Yeah i linked that video there. LOL

[final star]

Gear diff in pvp is such a massive issue rn

[gusty mirage]

idk if I'll achieve my goal of 20s across the board 😦

[limber lion]

Pugging and doing keys with casual friends will always work differently.

[limber lion]

Surely!

[vital haven]

you can do it @gusty mirage

if i can do it

[final star]

Well the people doing 25's all have an approximate even skill level

[vital haven]

anybody can

[final star]

But you do 18/19 and there is still massive skill variance

From player to player

[gusty mirage]

the doubt's starting to creep up in my group, we're starting to think corruption carried tf out of us in season 4

[heavy trail]

@vital haven Got told that's not fair they didn't have at least 200 gear. Keep in mind I think that they are mostly doing it because they want to keep their gear advantage over casuals / lower rated and to simply have fun triggering people. Thing is you don't even have to get upset to get silenced, you just have to respond logically to a troll a few times to get sanctioned for "harassment" haha

[final star]

High keys are miss interrupt = dead

[vital haven]

that sucks @heavy trail

idk i visit /r/worldofpvp all the time

[willow eagle]

Can you actually evasion soak chains?

[vital haven]

and thats all that people talk abouyt

[limber lion]

That's not a great attitude to have. Everyone had corruption not just you guys. You got up there by your own accord, not because of some dumb borrowed power.

[stoic needle]

Yes

[heavy trail]

Yes I got sucked in to it probably won't go back to the forums since it's not a place where you can communicate and expect that blizzard will take care of their long time valued customers.

[gusty mirage]

I just miss playing sin in keys, I hate outlaw and I've always hated outlaw 😦

[willow eagle]

Ok that's pretty good then

[limber lion]

Then play Sin

[willow eagle]

Rogue usefulness

[gusty mirage]

I'm too gunshy to pull the trigger, especially in 19s and 20s

[final star]

Then play assassination

[limber lion]

The damage is similar

[vital haven]

@gusty mirage imma be honest

[limber lion]

Just lacks some utility

[final star]

If you're getting restealths

You're okay

[limber lion]

But shouldn't be too bad for 20's

[willow eagle]

@stoic needle did you try lumbering form on your allies tho? That shit was fun

[vital haven]

sin and outlaw are the same thing

[final star]

Just outlaw is defo less restealth heavy

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

I've saved a few pulls because dummies don't interrupt even at 18-19 levels lol w/ gouge

[vital haven]

their damage is the same

[heavy trail]

i just want to do 10s at this point lok soon soon. 🙂

[vital haven]

like ye outlaw has gouge and cdr

[limber lion]

Not true

[stoic needle]

Actually, outlaw loses more from not getting restealths than sin does

[limber lion]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

yeah not getting a chance to get a cto proc feels so bad

[stoic needle]

I can't believe it

[vital haven]

but most outlaw rogues are using vanish as a dps cd anyways

[limber lion]

Especially with Outlaw's preferring MA/KS

[stoic needle]

But it's true

[willow eagle]

How big is tripple garrote for m+ opener?

[final star]

Literally second row of talents are stealth based on assassination

[gusty mirage]

I think I just craft zold and go for it

@willow eagle its more for energy regen now than damage tbh

[vital haven]

and most of the time you dont even use gouge

[limber lion]

With Celerity the drop isn't that bad, but it's still quite a bit because of CTO

[vital haven]

so sin is perfectly fine

[stoic needle]

The difference between sin normally and sin with absolutely zero restealths is literally 80 dps on dslice

[final star]

There is no guarantee that a restealth would've gained a cto proc

[stoic needle]

Eighty fucking dps

[limber lion]

Yeh

It's nothing

[stoic needle]

But it's a lot worse for MA outlaw

[gusty mirage]

sure, but its not like we're walking around with triple shrouded suff where we lose a shit ton of damage by not getting restealths as assa anymore

[final star]

Hence why people beginning to not run MA

When they can't reliably restealth

[limber lion]

We did the sims here a few days ago Kieron

Assa loses 1% of overall damage

From not getting stealth

Even if running Subt

[final star]

[limber lion]

It's perfectly fine

[stoic needle]

I'm just full sending it sin in keys now

[limber lion]

Might feel like shit to play

[final star]

I haven't simmed dslice assassination yet

[stoic needle]

I got the bis necklace, it was a sign

[gusty mirage]

I just wish maim, mangle gave us that 2nd cp from shrouded suff

tbh

[final star]

I'm 8.1k sim on outlaw, can defo reach that

[gusty mirage]

it'd make m+ so much smoother

I'm 7.2k in sim and I have to sweat to break 6k overall

[stoic needle]

Ok but like have y'all seen the gear from next tier

[gusty mirage]

[final star]

I wish assassination had a more consistent aoe builder

[stoic needle]

Theres literally a +222 crit rating ring

[stoic needle]

That's like 5% crit in one slot

[gusty mirage]

w/ enough crit fok is a consistent builder

[final star]

I think my best as assassination was 7.2k ish

[gusty mirage]

it's just those times where you have to fok 3-4 times to get 5cp is awful

[gusty mirage]

😋

[final star]

Defo comparable if I put the time to play assassination in aoe better

[stoic needle]

[final star]

There is a lot of really well statted gear in next raid

They did good just with itemisation

[stoic needle]

Even the heroic version of that is gonna be giga

[icy ember]

dat ring tho

[stoic needle]

I could definitely see us hitting 40%+ crit next tier

With the right gear

[gusty mirage]

the upper level soulbind stuff is kinda nutty

[final star]

Just as long as not too vers reliant

[gusty mirage]

giving us flat % of stats

[final star]

The necrolord soulbinds kinda nutty

Not seen how good venthyr ones are

[gusty mirage]

the nadjia one is pretty good

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna make a feelcraft prediction here and say that 9.1 is gonna be a necro tier

[final star]

I'm 40 renown on all covenants rn so likely won't matter to me but it's nice to plan ahead

[gusty mirage]

20% crit or vers when thrill seeker ends whichever you have more of

[vital haven]

calling it right now

[stoic needle]

Thrill seeker

[vital haven]

necro execute is gonna be bis

[final star]

Yeah

[vital haven]

quote me in 4 months

[final star]

Necro execute is great

[stoic needle]

I wonder if it will double dip with zoldyck

[final star]

I played zoldyck vs tarragrue

It was decent

[stoic needle]

Also the mastery buff one????

[gusty mirage]

you and your mastery

[final star]

That's an aoe talent

[stoic needle]

Like hello, here's your best stat when you're in aoe

[final star]

Not talent

But ye

It's big

[stoic needle]

😤

Mastery stackers will rise again

Just wait until my 40% crit 60% mastery m+ set

10k overall in deungeons

[gusty mirage]

I might make a second rogue for arena because this conduit energy shit is driving me up the wall

[balmy condor]

[vital haven]

lol

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor will the pins teach me how to not be bad at the game?

[balmy condor]

Yes

That’s the point

[gusty mirage]

well I got some refreshing reading to do

[balmy condor]

@vestal wren I do have a question tho

[vestal wren]

pls do ask

[balmy condor]

What’s this shit stain in my god-loving channel

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Lmao

[willow eagle]

What's wrong with bloodmallet?

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

Read the link

[balmy condor]

[willow eagle]

Oh

Sub

[balmy condor]

Even with the arrow

[vestal wren]

it doesen't even redirect to subtlety

but #fixed

[balmy condor]

Thanks cutie

[stoic needle]

Is there any eta for when the new soulbinds will be on the ptr simc

I need to know

[gusty mirage]

This is what happens when you chase the magical pink dragon guys

https://tenor.com/view/imgrapes-dragon-injection-syringe-gif-17633370

^ osh rn

[limber lion]

I doubt any time soon. They are very early iterations and are subject to change

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/itch-crack-head-drugs-drug-addict-addict-gif-5783847

[limber lion]

And probably will

[stoic needle]

Y'all got any of them... Ptr sims?

[final star]

What stat we want from IQD

Haste?

[gusty mirage]

crit

[stoic needle]

Crit

[gusty mirage]

FAT crit

[final star]

[stoic needle]

Iqd + ma talent = MA legendary

[gusty mirage]

make that MA talent 100%

[stoic needle]

For free

[gusty mirage]

make osh proud

[final star]

Ah okay so it'll proc off crit if used during MA talent window?

[limber lion]

No

When used during lust

[stoic needle]

I had 80% crit on my envenoms during the ptr testing pulls because of iqd

[final star]

Yeah

Was half way through typing only during lust

[balmy condor]

You need higher crit than haste

[stoic needle]

You have to gear for crit to make it your highest stat by rating

[balmy condor]

On your character

Yeh

It’s rating only

The % gains do nothing

[final star]

Okay, sad bois