assassination

[willow isle]

How does crimson tempest work? Is it worth to spam in aoe or only refresh when it is about to end and spend CP on ruptures/evenom?

[vestal wren]

and how its seemingly afk

[shy dust]

We extended for multiple weeks and I knew that meant no raid vault despite still needing loot from bosses

[stoic needle]

Only refresh

[shy dust]

It’s what happens it’s a guild meant to kill bosses not get you loot

[stoic needle]

I do 10 keys every week and still get nothing

That's why a reroll token would be nice

[drifting cloud]

bro you got ksm like a month ago lmao

relax your roll

[stoic needle]

Who gives a shit?

[vestal wren]

valor points do fix some m+ issues

[stoic needle]

I was doing 10 keys every week even before I had ksm

[drifting cloud]

you missed 3+ months of m15 vault?

[vestal wren]

i would actually prefere to have the pvp system for m+

[stoic needle]

I had 3+ months of m14 vault which is exactly the same ilvl

[shy dust]

So you just had 3 months

[vestal wren]

possibly even for raiding, it seems to be the best in terms of giving he player control over loot

[shy dust]

Of shit vaults?

[drifting cloud]

no hes just lying

[shy dust]

Despite ilvl being king

[drifting cloud]

he was doing 12s and shit

[shy dust]

You had multiple vaults where yeah no upgrade whatsoever

[dull cloak]

they can improve vault right now by rewarding additional currency to purchase a 226 item of choice after like 1 month

[stoic needle]

Quit being an elitist shithead

[drifting cloud]

nothing elitist about it you idiot

[stoic needle]

I'm not talking about back then, I'm talking about now

[drifting cloud]

you literally didnt have capped ilvl rewards from vault

[stoic needle]

Yes I did

[shy dust]

So now that most people

[drifting cloud]

and you complain about the system

[visual prairie]

i'm bored

[shy dust]

Are decked in close to 226

[visual prairie]

of this convo

[shy dust]

The system is bad

[stoic needle]

You mentioning my ksm timing like its even close to relevant

[shy dust]

Because you can’t get BiS items

THE HORROR

[vestal wren]

3 choices per week gvies you a high chance of getting at least something over multiple weeks

[drifting cloud]

how is it not relevant that you didnt do 14s for vault for 3months

[vestal wren]

but valor rly helps you get the items you need

[stoic needle]

Literally all I said was that I was tired of getting the same items over and over

[drifting cloud]

???????????

[stoic needle]

But I did

Do 14s?

[strange python]

in any possible scenario where theres 2 or more bosses i should be using fan knives to build combo points?

adds

not bosses

enemies i meant

[stoic needle]

You fok on 4+

[vestal wren]

vault is 226, valor can be upgraded to 220

[sick scarab]

call me mad but i think VAULT should not exist lol i hate RNG free stuff

[strange python]

is the 6 melee limit on sludge like a ahard cap

[stoic needle]

You're being elitist because you're pretending like it matters how long I was doing keys of a certain level when my complaint is only that it's annoying to get the same items over and over

[vestal wren]

i would say valor is the main progression system and the vault is for replacing your 220 with 226 if you get lucky

[sick scarab]

or at least vault should give item level of the m+ you did not more

[shy dust]

No

You can kill it with more

[abstract quiver]

i wish vault had a pity system at least

[shy dust]

Especially post nerf

[abstract quiver]

if u see me take stygia for a month then throw in a dagger pls

[vestal wren]

but stigia does give you jucy sockets

[strange python]

or do you use fan of knives just until they get the poisons then go back to mutilate

[stoic needle]

On 3 targets ideally youd tab mutilate to apply poisons

[abstract quiver]

got aotc and ksm and im still rocking 213 conq daggers :/

[shy dust]

Just spam dungeons

[thorny pond]

Spam dungeon get daggers

[hollow escarp]

get dungeons spam daggers

[dull cloak]

spam rbgs and get daggers

[thorny pond]

The way my group does them is fail timers feel bad

[shy dust]

Rbg gear should be capped at 200 ilvl

[dull cloak]

shhh i want to sit bases and get 233 weapon every season

[thorny pond]

RBG with an actual group is trash "rogue go annoy the FC and healers to death since you aren't a real person"

[shy dust]

It’s just insanely inflated

And easy to climb

Very often you will come across people who are 2100 in rbgs

[thorny pond]

Inflated like our egos, amirite?

[shy dust]

And have like 300 games played

At 1400 MMR in 2s

[lean rover]

is it ? i mean compare to 2s or 3s ?

[shy dust]

Yes

By actual rating

Rbg is inflated the most

[lean rover]

i should give it a try, need to find 9 ppl to tag though

[uneven plume]

Don’t be scared of 2100 rbg players. Most of them are like 1600 3s and 2s

[rain estuary]

when do you think i should reroll necro? because i wna be rdy for 9.1

[thorny pond]

You wanna carry me then @shy dust ? My GM paid for a 2200 boost then told us to f ourselves

[shy dust]

Actual Raw time spent will still be high

[uneven plume]

Be scared of like 2400

[shy dust]

Since rbgs are much longer

[uneven plume]

Those are actually coordinated groups

[shy dust]

I stopped doing arena after I hit 2.4 in 2s

[lean rover]

never if you don't want to. I mean you don't HAVE to.

[vital haven]

dude i just got 2100 early in the season in 2s then peaced for the rest of the season

[lean rover]

Otherwise 9.1 is just starting on PTR, grinding à new cov is a 1 week things so

[uneven plume]

2s is much faster imo as a rogue

[lean rover]

you got plenty of time

[rain estuary]

i know but i wna go with the meta and i dont want to be too early or too late

[vital haven]

its honestly broken you only need to hit the rating once

trhen you get access to mythic level stuff

and you dont have to pvp at all

for the rest of the season

[uneven plume]

They are fixing that in 9.1 right

[shy dust]

HAVENT queued a 2s game

Since like January 2nd

[vital haven]

LOL

i think i did likek 2 more games months later

when i didnt need geasr anymore from pvp

[shy dust]

Yeah you just hit required rating

Then no need to do anything besides yolo rbgs

For conquest/honor

[gloomy fern]

[strange python]

oh okay so dont use fans tab to apply all poisons unless i apply vendetta on a target then i should stay on them the whole20 seconds

[gloomy fern]

ur profil pic is poorly made rae

[shy dust]

True

[balmy condor]

wait what

you fan on 3 only to apply poisons

not to generate

[strange python]

alright 3 or above to apply 2 and lower tab

got it

[gloomy fern]

am i rerolling alliance

[vital haven]

no

[stoic needle]

Staying on your vendetta'd target only matters on a boss, but in keys just keep swapping

[strange python]

okay

[torpid spoke]

So for msire, why take elaborate planning over blindside

And vigor over ds

[gloomy fern]

pad dmg p2

big logs

[torpid spoke]

Ah

Lol

[dull cloak]

is it really pad tho

[limber lion]

Not really.

EP/Vig wins in 2T as well, so even with Remornia up you would get more value from those in P2.

EP/Vig are better for p1 and p2 but in p3 they're obviously worse.

So depends on what your team needs.

If you're lacking in p3 damage then use BS/DS

[shy dust]

I mean

Almost no teams will really need P2 damage

That just comes with learning the fight

If you’re missing P2 damage

[limber lion]

Some teams still struggle killing the big adds.

[shy dust]

You’re also going to be missing p3 damage

[limber lion]

Like we still had some attempts where we didn't kill Gloom

[shy dust]

So you’re just creating a future problem

[gloomy fern]

having to go gloom as sin is such a dps loss

[limber lion]

Yeh, I didn't though so I'm glad.

hehe

We had attempts though where Baron didn't die either

That was mostly because someone messed up their cooldowns or something though.

[gloomy fern]

how do u still mess up cds 500 pulls in

[limber lion]

Honestly should just stick to P3 damage as much as possible

BS/DS/Zoldyck

On prog

[shy dust]

Yes

Speccing for P2 damage

Is padding

[limber lion]

Ye idk

It's a super scripted fight as well

[gloomy fern]

well cds can be fucked for 2min classes if u push p1 early so there is that

[limber lion]

Ye, we stopped dps every pull.

Pushed during last Ravage cast

[vital haven]

god stopping dps

the summary of this tier

[patent topaz]

I was on gloomveil for all of progress and 1st rekill

[limber lion]

Yeh for Sire it's not that bad

Because it's such a short time

And P1 is whatever

[gloomy fern]

same, i solo with 3 mages

[limber lion]

Gloom is aids

[dull cloak]

my guild is putting a sin with pi on gloom otherwise it doesnt die in time

[gloomy fern]

we are good gloom killers but sad if u wanna parse

[nimble tartan]

my guild does 2 1 1

it feels easy

[gloomy fern]

does what now

[nimble tartan]

dont split up the raid for adds after the first set of adds on drop don

and by adds i mean mini bosses

[gloomy fern]

oh that ugly tac

thats a yikes from me

but good for rogues i guess always having 3 targets

big pump

[worldly yarrow]

!opener

Ugh

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[nimble tartan]

idk i liked the strat for our prog

had my friends in hof and in top 10 us tell us that at the point when my guild go tot the boss that that strat was the best and it worked out p well p2 prog flew by cause didnt have to set up cds and shit

[fervent fog]

!trinket

[uneven plume]

Due to high performance on m sludge, I’ve been selected to receive PIs for two pillars 😄

We made it 😂

[limber lion]

Good job :p

[shy dust]

Nj

you can get a 10k parse

I believe

[topaz gazelle]

Any reason bloodmallet is showing Essence of Bloodfang as the best hectic add cleave leggo ?

[balmy condor]

Because it is

[fair geyser]

Thats a racist reasoning

[balmy condor]

What

[fair geyser]

[stoic needle]

hectic add cleave is a weird sim type

[gloomy fern]

i only sim 30s

[stoic needle]

30s 8t with lust sims pogggggersssss

[limber lion]

i only sim ultraxion

[opal beacon]

is assassination any good in pvp rn? i kinda miss playing it, currently playing sub

[gloomy fern]

oh well, good bye kazzak

[limber lion]

#pvp

[gloomy fern]

oh maybe i should have played the AH for free gold

[limber lion]

What you're leaving us?

[opal beacon]

mp

mb

[limber lion]

No worries buddy

[gloomy fern]

im going home to tarren mill

[limber lion]

Cute

[gloomy fern]

and going alliance

[limber lion]

[sand gyro]

If I'm running Necrolords when do I use SBS on ST? On aoe I'm assuming just throw it out unless capping on CP?

[spice spire]

Cringe

[balmy condor]

During gemstone

[limber lion]

You use it during Gemstone proc, or if you play Emeni during Shiv windows.

Or kinda whenever you want. Just don't cap em

[sand gyro]

Thanks both

[stoic needle]

@frail fossil did you see the 259 shoulders that drop from the 2nd to last boss in 9.1

[balmy condor]

Doomblade shoulder crafters

Are in shambles

[stoic needle]

theres 259 pants too

zoldyck leg crafters

[limber lion]

I knew it all this time

[stoic needle]

zoldyck boots were bis all along

[frail fossil]

[spice spire]

@ me

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/17009c41d06a0ae9efd4933c507cb090

❤️

[frail fossil]

ceve can i have ur expert look on something

[limber lion]

Let me put my expert goggles on

[balmy condor]

Just uninstall it man

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Wtf

[limber lion]

Ok

[frail fossil]

how do i do more dam @limber lion https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nLGy9Zk1PmHx3avQ#fight=33&type=damage-done&source=6

[stoic needle]

the 259 shoulders are crit/haste too

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-1-encounter-journal-sanctum-of-domination-and-tazavesh-boss-abilities-321839#sanctum-of-dominationbosses-kelthuzad

[frail fossil]

i fucked my second vendetta i think

[limber lion]

1. Open with SBS, especially when playing SF.

[balmy condor]

Step 1 is don’t wait 12 seconds to get the sbs dot up

[frail fossil]

so i just mut snd sbs ?

[balmy condor]

Sbs snd mut

[frail fossil]

oh ok

[stoic needle]

do i recraft zoldyck to boots now

[limber lion]

Definitely not

Don't do the same mistake that I did.

[stoic needle]

but that 30 dps

[limber lion]

Bro

I'm pretty sure you still get more dps from 235 legs

Or

Whatever the new cap is

[stoic needle]

you know i'm 99% memeing right

[limber lion]

Yeh but just incase that 1% isn't

[stoic needle]

yeah but there aren't any 259 boots

[limber lion]

Yeh there aren't

[spice spire]

Oh no, the logic’s there

[limber lion]

But it doesn't instantly mean

[spice spire]

Craft the boots boys, it’s all ogre

[limber lion]

That you get more stats from using Leg boots and good pants, versus leg pants and aight boots

[stoic needle]

it's only belt, shoulders, chest, pants

[spice spire]

don’t actually

[frail fossil]

i think i did a oopsie and forgot i had vanish

[dull cloak]

well rip i have shoulders on doomblade and celerity

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

I’m going to proudly wear my Doomblade shoulders

[balmy condor]

So many clowns

[frail fossil]

who joinin the squad

[dull cloak]

in my defence. guild extended for 2 months, no shoulders from slg. have a 226 crit haste glove

[spice spire]

squad

[stoic needle]

NUT

[limber lion]

@frail fossil Yeh I mean the only thing is using Vanish, opening with SBS and preferably applying garrote before the boss rams into the pillar so you don't do it during the pillar

Because you used garrote on every pillar

[stoic needle]

just think of the m+ stonks

[spice spire]

Mastery

Ihysm osh

[frail fossil]

yeah even if i see it's not pandemic i'll refresh it

[gloomy fern]

garotte in to pillar

[frail fossil]

so i dont have to refresh before pillar

[limber lion]

Yeh exactly

Which you didn't do on this one.

Wait

No

You want to refresh before pillar

Not during it

You only want to press Muti/Env/SBS during pillar

And coolies

[stoic needle]

at least they're putting crit/mastery gear in the raid now

[limber lion]

No rupture, garrote, fok, pk or any of that other stuff

[gloomy fern]

mastery

[stoic needle]

@marble hemlock look at how much crit is on this ring

[gloomy fern]

hidden blade into pillar is actually the play

[limber lion]

Might be

[stoic needle]

i like these items with heavy weights into a stat instead of half/half

[gloomy fern]

i also dislike legendarys

[spice spire]

I do prefer the heavy into stat rings - like inerva and sire over the half/half rings

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

Now that’s a nut

[stoic needle]

i wish we could weight our legendaries like that

choose the balance of the secondaries

[cyan kite]

Next raid ilvls are 233/246/259 for the three difficulties?

[stoic needle]

for the end bosses

[spice spire]

For the final two bosses. It’s 226/239/252 iirc

[stoic needle]

yeah

[cyan kite]

Gotcha

[spice spire]

Every difficulty ramps 13 🙂

[jovial oriole]

Where do you guys use your CD's on sludgefist? At the start or on first pillar? We will BL on 4th pillar

[nimble tartan]

pull 2nd 4th

[limber lion]

On pull/2/4

[jovial oriole]

thx!

[cyan kite]

They're continuing the weapon token system for next raid?

[limber lion]

Not from the looks of it, but anything and everything is subject to change.

[patent topaz]

Great system, still have 220 weapons, 1 warrior and 1 monke in my raid. Doesnt ever drop anyway

[cyan kite]

I mean except for the fact that rogue token dropped so deep into the raid, it only helped us right? Since normally only rogues can possibly loot daggers

If they just gave every boss a small chance at dropping a weapon token, I think that would be the ideal solution

[patent topaz]

yeah, mainly down to being so far into the tier

[uneven plume]

So far into the tier but always get benched when we get there

The idea of every boss dropping a token seems fair

[swift dragon]

adversary or second potency with nadija ?

[limber lion]

Adversary

[swift dragon]

sadge

[sick marsh]

Yo guys, I'm struggling parsing with my assa rogue ... I'm analizing some logs and comparing with mines and I'm noticing some minor things I can improve. But I'm also noticing some major dps lose in comparison to others top parsers, and I can't figure out why (like my melee dps, or envenom dps).

Here are the logs I'm atalking about: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/tfFyKcDVXhrR69n7/YZzBWwMnHRt39XVc#fight=16,5&source=2,21&type=damage-done

I already asked some help here for similar reasons, but I'm still struggling.

[stoic needle]

seems weird to me that sin gets 1 dagger from the 4th boss, then one from sylvanas, and outlaw gets 3 weapons on the first few bosses but no 259 weapon from sylv

[swift dragon]

sludgefist is a bad fight to look at @sick marsh

[sick marsh]

why is it ? I can send other logs.

i'm still raidingtho.

[uneven plume]

Your are not receiving 9 PIs that fight

You*

[frail fossil]

none of them are getting PIs

what are u on about

[swift dragon]

because of sludgefist's wierd damage windows

[frail fossil]

i mean u can see if he's done a mistake playing sludge

[swift dragon]

the best pure ST fight to look at would be Shriek/Hungering/Innerva/Sire

Xy'mox is quite ST too

[limber lion]

I'll take a look

[sick marsh]

I tried to link a xy'mox log but the only one i've on public privacy is when I've tons of mechanics to do early on

But still with those "weird damage windows", Im trying to burst at the same timing and I can't even match the dps, even after first pilar.

With same ilvl.

[limber lion]

@sick marsh

1. You didn't use Shiv on every pillar. Make sure to use 2 Shiv's in the beginning as fast as you can, one Shiv per pillar and ONLY one Shiv between pillars. This way you still have a Shiv to use on the pillar. This means holding the second Shiv for 10ish seconds.

2. You're losing a lot of GCD's during the pillars. If you look at the third pillar, all of your gcd's are really spread out. You lost like 3-4 gcd's by spacing them out so much. This is really critical for Sludge, you want to get as much out of the vulnerability phases as you can.

3. You should sync Flagellation with Vendetta/Vanish/Shiv on opener/2nd pillar/4th pillar. Normally you would want to use Flagellation on cooldown, but this fight is the exception to that rule.

[magic oxide]

When u say sync flag. U mean the haste buff yah?

[limber lion]

No, I mean the damage portion of it.

[balmy condor]

The haste buff isn’t the part that does damage

[sick marsh]

I noticed my flags aren't well casted, so ye I'm working on it.

thank you for checking !

[limber lion]

[sick marsh]

But is this all explaining the difference between my melees dps and envenoms dps ? This is a constant between me and the top parsers of my ilvl.

[rose ermine]

Best leggy for assas?

[frail fossil]

doomblade, and zoldyck for m+

[limber lion]

Well some of it is, yeah. But you shouldn't look at the damage of each ability. If your breakdown is similar (Envenom first, melee second, etc) then you're gucci.

Envenom damage increases by using Shiv on every pillar.

Melee increases by being glued to the boss.

[gloomy knoll]

@balmy condor what gear slot does new covenant legendary go on

[balmy condor]

I’ll kill you

[limber lion]

[gloomy knoll]

[hollow river]

o.o

[sick marsh]

I'm also casting a lot less mutilates and overall I'm casting less abilities than him, I can't press my buttons harder idk what to do x)

[limber lion]

I already explained what you need to do.

Do those things first and then come back when you've perfected them.

[sick marsh]

Yep ok, ty !

[sweet zealot]

so I am working on my UI and I am using Afenar's WA and moving it around, and he has a WA called Garrote CD which idk what that is

[limber lion]

It's your garrote cooldown.

When you look at a target that has garrote applied, you see your garrote cooldown on a separate weakaura

I just combined the two weakauras as one.

[sweet zealot]

ah

[limber lion]

Where it shows the duration of the debuff in the middle and the cooldown in the top right corner.

You can do something similar with it as well.

Sup

Yes.

Eh

[drifting cloud]

sockets arent even 200 dps

[limber lion]

More like IQD's broken.

[low girder]

233 weapons help a lot

[gloomy fern]

233 weps are a myth

[drifting cloud]

phial is like 10 dps over a chain on st

[limber lion]

Ye

Chain is pretty good.

[drifting cloud]

ok maybe slightly more but really not alot

[limber lion]

No.

[spark hearth]

Would love an opinion on what people think the "best" (I know there isn't a best) overall cov to pick right now is. I feel like you take a decent ST hit on Sin by going Necro but gain so much when playing in Combat as Necro.

[limber lion]

Well yeah

[dull cloak]

i sim just abit over 7k if im venthyr instead of nf :/

[drifting cloud]

necro

[limber lion]

It's not a massive hit. It's like 100 dps, it's not that much

Necro is definitely the play for overall.

[drifting cloud]

you only notice necro on like 3:30 kill timers

[lean rover]

go Venlord or Necthyr

[spark hearth]

That's what I was thinking. I wish Venthyr was better in AoE as I prefer the aesthetic more but it's hard to ignore the massive gain it has for Outlaw

[limber lion]

If you play both specs then Necro is definitely the play.

[dull cloak]

necro is also more engaging cuz of sbs

[spark hearth]

Ya, I figured Necro would be the path to pick. The game just won't let me go Venthyr! Thanks guys.

[raven gyro]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[gloomy knoll]

venthyr gang

shitting on necro st bois everywhere

[stoic needle]

Ah yes, that 80 dps difference

[gloomy knoll]

easier rank 1s for da gang

any1 swapping covenants outside of choices for prog rn is dumb anyways

should wait to see how next raid is

[muted ridge]

Yo boys, haven’t tried but can I cloak Mythic danny P3 Ravage?

[limber lion]

Nope.

[gloomy knoll]

no you can't

[muted ridge]

Aight cheers

[limber lion]

Nor massacre

Nor Shattering pain

Everything's scuffed in P3

[gloomy knoll]

you can cloak the ravage after the fact

just not the hit when it go's out

[limber lion]

Ye you can dilly dally on top of it if you want

[gloomy knoll]

that and bloodprice / seeds

[muted ridge]

I see, so cloak just for a blood price

[gloomy knoll]

usually bloodprice or double up yuh

[limber lion]

Cloak for the last overlap is pretty good as well

So you can run away from the group in the red

And not get destroyed by massacres

[muted ridge]

You mean big overlap with Ravage into masacre into Shattering right?

There I just Door of shadows into Shadowstep my anchor

[limber lion]

Yeh

Anything goes, as long as you survive it

[muted ridge]

Yep, thanks for answers

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

You can see the raid fight abilities already. 8/10 fights have adds of some kind

[muted ridge]

[worthy iris]

do i use x2 sharpening stone or do i use shadowcore oilx1 and sharpened stone x1 on my weapon which is better?

[limber lion]

2x Sharpening Stone generally.

And Spectral Agi potion.

[gloomy knoll]

depends on what kind of ads

[limber lion]

It's similar output but more consistent.

But you can sim it using:

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[stoic needle]

It doesn't really depend on what kind of adds though

[gloomy knoll]

is it cleave or like lil shitter ads

[stoic needle]

Anything extra that you can hit is gonna make necro better because of sbs resets

Not taking the new soulbinds into account

Those could change the balance

But from what I can see so far it's definitely looking like a necro raid

[gloomy knoll]

still too early to tell

need to see balancing sims

leggos

borrowed power etc

[rustic whale]

guys i wanna ask something about venthry , is the best soulbind Nidya??

[limber lion]

For single target, yes.

Generally the best soulbind for raiding, and Theotar for M+.

[rustic whale]

as always you are generous ceverion

[limber lion]

[rustic whale]

i m turning to venthry

just wanna sure about some things

[limber lion]

We welcome you with open hands 🧛

[rustic whale]

really thanks i would ask you more questions in next days

[limber lion]

No worries, I'll be here lol

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

Where was this when I went back venthyr? now I’m a stinky boy

[stoic needle]

I'm just saying, looking at encounter design, there's so much shit you can cheese with sbs

[limber lion]

Most of us will probably eventually step in the swamp

Sooner or later.

[gusty mirage]

SBS is definitely kinda funny to use on some bosses it’s kinda busted tbh

[low girder]

[winter vapor]

come on in, its warm

[low girder]

i hate maldraxxus

[stoic needle]

🤮

[limber lion]

I want to go Necro

But I want to have Venthyr for ST.

[stoic needle]

Seems like heroics stop giving renown around renown 21

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

Also having a necro for plaguefall and top is kinda nice, and you get the perks of never having to worry about buying the god awful anima t mogs

[gusty mirage]

I got hard stuck at 33 for like 3 days idk why it was happening to me

[fallen current]

Because blizzard said so

[stoic needle]

sbs is v fun

i'm excited to try out gemstones once i have it

[winter vapor]

see I actually quite like the tmog now its on my toon...

[stoic needle]

[winter vapor]

and the black one is really cool :/

I literally said no freaking way on my main but, hey ho..

gemstone is neat, i am all for passives that help dps that I don't have to actively track

[limber lion]

You do have to track gemstones though

Because you want to use SBS during the Gemstone window.

[winter vapor]

well god damn it

[limber lion]

Unlucky.

[winter vapor]

@limber lion ruining my casual fun

[limber lion]

I mean you can just have a weak aura that pops up when you get the buff

Then go ham

[winter vapor]

is it actively worth using over just filling CP in envnom windows, for example?

[limber lion]

Nah you want to use it in Gemstone windows generally, using them in Shiv windows is fine as well sometimes.

But gemstone is the ideal place for it

[uneven plume]

What about for sludge

[limber lion]

As long as you don't cap it.

[uneven plume]

Sbs at start?

[limber lion]

On Sludge you use it on pillars.

SBS as your first gcd yes.

[uneven plume]

So sbs > snd > Sbs > garrote > rupture?

[limber lion]

No

[uneven plume]

And throw a vendetta in there

[limber lion]

Sbs > snd > muti > gar > rup

[uneven plume]

Ahh kk

[limber lion]

You just throw one to get the bleed going

[gusty mirage]

Dang I’ve been using it wrong. I kinda just toss my SBS before my rupture

[winter vapor]

hm, neat, does it also affect say M+ openers? I'm usually 3 garrote, FoK, CT, FOK/SBS interchanging until I get another 5 cp

[limber lion]

A lot of people have been

The sim logic changed recently.

Like 2 days ago.

[limber lion]

Yeah that's fine.

[uneven plume]

What about after rupture

[winter vapor]

oh wow, closest I'll ever be to cutting edge

[uneven plume]

Can we just fill?

[limber lion]

No.

[gusty mirage]

Any fights with adds though, you get that FAT 5 envenom shiv window

[uneven plume]

With sbs

[limber lion]

You save them for Gemstone windows

[uneven plume]

Ahh kk

[limber lion]

Or using them with Shiv to not overcap.

[uneven plume]

Any1 have the gemstone wa?

[limber lion]

I'm sure you can find some in wago.io

[uneven plume]

Kk

[winter vapor]

So generally, on a ST fight, SBS thrown into opener -somewhere- depending on spec. then save for Gemstone?

[limber lion]

Pretty much. You probably want to use a second one in your opener just not to cap.

After applying all bleeds and using vanish and whatnot.

[winter vapor]

nice, ty for all the info, this scrubs going to bed now so you are free of furhter silly questions

[limber lion]

No worries, happy to help.

[gusty mirage]

You ain’t a scrub, scrubs refuse to try to get better. Good night!

[limber lion]

Probably need to head to bed as well in a bit.

[gusty mirage]

Good night my EU friends, I’m just waking up from my afternoon nap

[analog glade]

Fatal Flaw is so huge on PTR

[limber lion]

Yuup

[limber lion]

[livid temple]

Fatal flaw does seem really nice... 10 seconds of 52% Crit that's juicy

[stoic needle]

where are you getting 52% from?

[uneven plume]

What’s usually the go to with wep oils/stones and potions

[stoic needle]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[stoic needle]

i use double stone agi everywhere because the difference is so small it doesnt matter

unless you're trying to rng your way to a parse

[livid temple]

@stoic needle I already have 32% Crit, so with 10 seconds of 20% extra Crit I'll be at 52% XD

[stoic needle]

ah okay haha

[placid cobalt]

quick question, i got a 226 skulker's and a 233 denathrius trinket, which sims about 50 dps more, however from the tooltip the skulker does around 14.5k damage while dena does 12.4. The extra 5 agility is not that impactful, so im wondering why the denathrius one sims higher, is it due to fire dmg vs physical?

[limber lion]

And with Master Assa you'll be at 100%

[fallen pilot]

how should a MA assas opener be? (im necrolord)

[balmy condor]

same as the non-ma assas opener

[young pebble]

yes

[placid cobalt]

ok thanks for confirming this

also to stay on topic, does vendetta influence trinket dmg or only your spells?

[limber lion]

Only your spells.

[placid cobalt]

tyty

[balmy condor]

all these pins

[placid cobalt]

wops

[limber lion]

Unlucky.

[balmy condor]

and no one to read them

[placid cobalt]

😦

[fallen pilot]

@balmy condor Ambush -> multilate -> slice then bleeds?

[limber lion]

Muti - Snd - Muti - Gar

Or SBS - SnD - Muti as Necro.

[balmy condor]

ambush from stealth

into a mut

[fallen pilot]

i wonder, i was doing multilate

guess i was doing it right

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

these all have sample openers

I would highly suggest reading them

good info

[fallen pilot]

ty

[limber lion]

Ye and you can quick sim yourself to get an opener example as well

veri gud.

[uneven plume]

does Shadow Totem crit?

the dot

i know its hasted

[limber lion]

Dot?

[uneven plume]

well the damage

[limber lion]

I mean, yeah it does crit.

I guess it is damage over time.

[stoic needle]

whydontyoureadthepinspyr

[nimble tartan]

i dont read the pins cause i dont trust ai computers to tell me what to do

[livid temple]

In general I disagree with the design choice to make legendaries for each classes covenant ability because we all know how much of a shit show covenant balancing has been. but I'm not gonna lie the venythr covenant legendary might be insane. If it interacts with the conduit that would be sick

[plain thistle]

hmmm, balancing for rogues at least was/is fine

[winged basin]

yall use zoldycks for M+ or Doomblade

I have seen both

[limber lion]

Zoldyck

Doomblade is really bad.

You don't really use Mutilate/Envenom on large packs.

So it gets no value whatsoever.

Only on bosses and prides and/or prio targets.

[winged basin]

Yeah for sure. What are you doing during aoe if you dont mind me asking, its been an impeccable amount of time since I played my rogue in anything but raiding

[limber lion]

It's fine on some dungeons where there are smaller pulls

But Zoldyck is generally the better choice for everything.

[gusty mirage]

I read them 😦

[limber lion]

You just spread bleeds (garrotes/ruptures/CT) on everything and then fill with FoK and Envenom if you have time.

[winged basin]

Thats what I figured, pretty simple. thanks for answering my annoying questions.

[limber lion]

You use CT to apply the bleed (but don't spam it), you use garrote on cooldown to have 3 garrotes up at all times, you spread ruptures on everything that lives the duration.

Annoying?

My boy

These questions are deluxe

Compared to some of the Mickey Mouse questions we get in here.

[gusty mirage]

Can I get a macro to for mut/ambush for blindisde?

[low girder]

!bis

[winged basin]

but real talk, im not trolling playing sin in m+ right? I aint doing no +20s just trying to get my 14s done for the week.

[gusty mirage]

you're fine w/ sin

probably until the end of the expac

[limber swallow]

@limber lion you mention using Doom only on bosses / prides, do you use it during tyranical weeks?

[winged basin]

figured so, my stats are just WAY better optimized for sin.

[gusty mirage]

plus sin's a lot more involved than outlaw

like you feel like you're doing more than popping blade flurry + ST rotation

[limber lion]

Nah, Assa is perfectly fine. Does up to 8k+ dps in overall on some dungeons and even beats Outlaw in dps sometimes.

Just lacks the utility.

[gusty mirage]

that's more than I do as outlaw

[winged basin]

and one more, are you guys ever vendettaing on packs?.. just for prio targets I assume?

[unborn otter]

Here's a question for spiteful weeks.
How can you prevent getting stopped from restealthing after a pack? The amount of times I've been popped out of stealth or hard stuck out of stealth made me go back to outlaw

[limber lion]

No, you still run Zoldyck. M+ is filled with packs and most of your time in the dungeon is spent killing trash (even on Tyrannical)

[livid temple]

@plain thistle not so much balancing on a spec by spec basis but more a class vs class, because I know something like Echoing reprimand doesn't hold a candle to something like shifting power or weapons of order

[limber swallow]

ok, was just clarifying. That's what I did last week and it felt great, lol. I was like "did I miss an opportunity to play with doom?"

[limber lion]

You either kill the Spiteful or you run away from the group until the Spite dies and then stealth.

[gusty mirage]

Biggest thing for getting restealths on spiteful weeks is your group kills stuff at the same time and you sneak in a stealth before they spawn

[limber lion]

Hah yeah nah. Using Zoldyck always is a safe bet.

[limber lion]

Yeh you can Vendetta prio targets and even on packs with no prio targets.

[winged basin]

as a fire mage main for the whole xpac, SP is just good. The hyper increased CD reduction for a 2 minute cd that gets reduced by critting.... hard for anyone to hold a candle to that

[limber lion]

The more you use your cooldowns (Vend, Vanish, Shiv, Covenant) the more dps you do.

[gusty mirage]

but sometimes you just get wrecked - aka maze in mists or portal platforms in top

[limber lion]

Holding CD's is a dps loss.

[low girder]

MFD the spiteful

[gusty mirage]

MFD & SBS the spitefuls for EZ reset

s

[winged basin]

I am venthyr lmfaooooooooo, that shit confuses me

[unborn otter]

It's mostly charity keys with a guild I lurk with, so coordination isn't an option sadge

[limber lion]

Me too.

[winged basin]

like I guess ill just pop this here?....

[gusty mirage]

then you just sit there and tell yourself "this is fine" outloud

[limber lion]

Just slam it on cooldown or save it for Pride/Bosses if they're coming up

Gar Gar Gar Gar Flag CT

Is a good opener for Venth on packs.

[hollow escarp]

[unborn otter]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-12307212

Or rage and switch to outlaw

[winged basin]

EZ. I fw that mentality. SMASH SMASH SMASH SMASH

[gusty mirage]

exactly

nah you say it as outlaw too

its sadge when your best conduit is rendered half effective

[winged basin]

xd yeah I just did a 14 pf on my outlaw and it felt incredibly horrible

[limber lion]

I want to do high m+ but I don't have a group and pugging is a toughie.

[gusty mirage]

My tank quit during our transitioning from 18s and 19s to 20s (:

[unborn otter]

True, but I would say sin is hurt much worse than outlaw in this situation.
Then again, rogue is my secondary alt, so I could very easily be underestimating the effect

I miss Shrouded suffocation.

[winged basin]

I have been playing fire mage all xpac, anything else I play in M+ is going to feel bad and I just have to accept that

[limber lion]

Yes, Assa does suffer from not getting restealths. But it's not that major currently.

[winged basin]

isnt that just Subtrefuge now?

[limber lion]

Outlaw suffers more because they cannot run MA/KS during Spiteful weeks.

[balmy condor]

subterfuge existed alongside shrouded suff

received 0 changes because of shrouded

[uneven plume]

Shadowgrasp totem doing 10% of my damage on ST O.o

[unborn otter]

If they buffed subterfuges damage and it rewards more cp, yes. But the two together were bliss

[limber lion]

Shrouded is literally just extra damage and extra CP.

[cyan kite]

idk man not having 3 empowered garrotes every pull is awful for sin

[limber lion]

Nothing special.

[limber lion]

It's really not.

[cyan kite]

Meanwhile for outlaw I just run celerity this week

[balmy condor]

people still thinking stealth garrotes are 35% of our damage

[limber lion]

Yeh idk

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Like if we ran Shrouded then sure okay

[winged basin]

Mmmm 210 Zoldycks or 225 Doomblade...

[limber lion]

Zoldyck for M+

Regardless of ilvl.

[unborn otter]

I remember a time when it was 45%+ in bfa

[stoic needle]

I feel like getting less restealths for less subterfuge garottes is worse than not being able to play ma/ks as outlaw

[winged basin]

ye but it didnt have the dmg increase before no?

[stoic needle]

Celerity and ds are still good

[limber lion]

It did.

It always has.

[balmy condor]

it did, it was just less

[winged basin]

ahhh am 🐒

[stoic needle]

No subterfuge garottes really impacts your energy generation on packs

[unborn otter]

It did- fuck, I'm slow

[winged basin]

SAME LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[limber lion]

Yeh the longer opener is the biggest toll

Not the deeps from subterfuge garrotes.

But it's not that bad.

[stoic needle]

It's a bit of both

[limber lion]

It's not like you go from 8k to 6k

Because you don't get stealth.

[unborn otter]

How does sigil of MA weigh against Zoldyk's?

[stoic needle]

Long arms help a lot vs spiteful too

[limber lion]

Running does too

:^)

[stoic needle]

It's roughly equal in output but zoldyck gives a better damage profile

Yeah but you can literally just zug the spiteful down and get a re

[unborn otter]

Only recently made it, but had MA already due to multispeccing

[winged basin]

and I lied 1 more damn question, Zoldycks goes on?............. Legs?

[stoic needle]

boots if you're going to kill mythic kel'thuzad

[winged basin]

who tf is mythic kelthuzad lmao

retcons be like

[stoic needle]

The 2nd to last boss of the next tier

Drops higher ilvl pants

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[stoic needle]

There are no higher ilvl boots

[limber lion]

Do you have the items and ilvls somewhere near

[winged basin]

Idek why I asked

I have 226 crit haste boots apparently

[limber lion]

How much agi do you get from maxed legendary pants/boots and from the non-big-boy boots/legs?

[compact pumice]

What does Sylvanas drop then?

[stoic needle]

A chest and belt

I linked it earlier hold on

[compact pumice]

Ah ok

So RIP my Finality on Chest

[stoic needle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-1-encounter-journal-sanctum-of-domination-and-tazavesh-boss-abilities-321839#sanctum-of-dominationbosses-kelthuzad

Legendaries will upgrade to ilvl 260

And the endboss loot is 259

But there are no 259 ilvl boots

[low girder]

NS CT or bust

[compact pumice]

NS CT MA is prob a nightmare this week

[balmy condor]

that's what I played last spiteful week

still did 6-6.5k

[compact pumice]

are you just good or did you go so slow you got restealths off?

[stoic needle]

So it's
252 boots 260 legs

Vs

260 boots 259 legs

[livid temple]

I did a mists this week forgot to take off doomblade or change any talents and stilk did 6.1 so I don't feel that bad

I gotta say atm I feel bad for Sub tho

[rustic whale]

@limber lion are we still using WPS conduit or Flag conduit on venthry? thank you

[balmy condor]

I mean we didn't specifically wait for restealths

[limber lion]

Lashing Scars.

[balmy condor]

I also pugged a lot of keys that week

[rustic whale]

ty tyt ty

[balmy condor]

mostly 13-14's though

[compact pumice]

I do too, but only because it doesn't even seem like Sub is best overall in PvP anymore.

[low girder]

it's gonna be pretty rough once the patch comes in

sin just seems objectively the far better pick in 9.1 rn in pvp

first build though, that could change

[limber lion]

LMAO

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gBnv6QQHi7DPzNrWmHpfA6

[low girder]

[limber lion]

"We lose most of our dps from not having stealth "

[low girder]

didn't think it'd be quite that low tbh

[stoic needle]

What did you put into the sim?

[compact pumice]

[limber lion]

I just removed the stealth lines

You can look at the action list

And see how the default profile is stealthing between packs

But the no-stealth one isn't

It just vanishes

[solar hare]

Try with MA :p

[low girder]

someone should do that with outlaw celerity

i wonder if it's higher

with cto

[limber lion]

Why?

[balmy condor]

probably roughly the same

[solar hare]

Ive never played sin in m+ but i’d assume MA would make it higher idk

Idek if zold is better tbh

[balmy condor]

well of course MA would make it higher

but we also don't play MA

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is the better choice

[balmy condor]

so whats the point

[limber lion]

And the one you should play

[solar hare]

Ah i c

[limber lion]

Yeh

[low girder]

you only run MA with the meme build

that i'm always gonna peddle

[compact pumice]

But with NS CT though right?

[limber lion]

Ye

[balmy condor]

yeah

but that's a non-standard build

that isn't recommended

[limber lion]

You can play it, but don't necessarily take it to +20's

[compact pumice]

Yeah, it's not simmable either 😦

[balmy condor]

what

[limber lion]

It is though.

[compact pumice]

Is it now?

[balmy condor]

"it's not simmable"

the fuck

does that

[low girder]

it's like ~150 behind

[balmy condor]

even mean

[low girder]

or something

[compact pumice]

when I checked it first time the bot didn't do CT from stealth

[low girder]

not bad but not the best

[balmy condor]

but it does

and it has

[compact pumice]

well I guess not simmable just by the talents and legendary choices then

[low girder]

it all worked

[compact pumice]

What? Ok it's just me that's bad then

[balmy condor]

even if it doesn't

[compact pumice]

Gonna try

[balmy condor]

NS fok from stealth

isn't even that bad

[stoic needle]

That's nuts I can't believe the dps loss is that small

[low girder]

NS HB FoK opener

[livid temple]

@compact pumice tbh I don't think sub has been best in PvP for a while, they raw dogged peopled at the beginning while gear was still being farmed but now i feel like ret and warrior just slap and fire mage too for that matter, when ever I do arenas with buddies if I'm playing sub I feel like I'm just a stun bot

[low girder]

it's better in 2s

[stoic needle]

Now I'm questioning why I play outlaw on spiteful

[low girder]

in 3s i'd probably agree

[balmy condor]

because you're a meta slave

[low girder]

because you won't play it in raid outside of 1 fight

[limber lion]

boys only

[stoic needle]

No I genuinely thought that I lose hella dps as sin during spiteful week

[low girder]

may as well run it in keys

gotta flex the pure dps muscle

[balmy condor]

like I said earlier

I ran it last spiteful

[stoic needle]

One of my first fights in this channel was someone flaming me for saying that not getting restealths in m+ wasn't that big of a deal

[balmy condor]

and the spiteful in 9.0.2

and that was it

[stoic needle]

They were like

"DONT TALK IF U DONT PLAY SIN IN M+"

[balmy condor]

during BFA, that was true

[limber lion]

Ye

During BFA it was awful

So bad

[stoic needle]

"U DONT KNOW WJAT UR TALJING ABOUT"

[limber lion]

Like terrible

[low girder]

yeah bfa was a lot worse

[limber lion]

Legit 0 damage without steath

But that's only because of SS

[magic oxide]

Triple ss

What a meme

[limber lion]

But eventually the meta changed to EB/Crit

So it didn't matter as much anymore.

But still did quite a bit.

Definitely more than it does currently

[low girder]

was definitely not the case in legion though, but that's just because half your fucking dmg was poison bomb with t21

[magic oxide]

I miss uncapped bf

[stoic needle]

Would pb be busted if it was a baseline finisher

[livid temple]

Tbh I actually love sin for dungeons. I've never really enjoyed outlaw even when it was combat I just felt like id rather be playing a warrior

[limber lion]

Depends on the numbers.

It can be good, bad or kinda whatever.

A lot of people, myself included, like the idea of attaching PB to Shiv in some way

[stoic needle]

It would be awesome to have some kind of aoe energy dump

Ct doesn't work very well as that

[limber lion]

Something like "Your Envenom procs Poison Bomb on the target whilst inflicted by the Shiv debuff"

Or something.

[low girder]

idk i wouldn't like sin to just be sub

[balmy condor]

would PB be busted if it did 20x the damage?

[low girder]

and spam an aoe gen into aoe finisher

over and over

even if we had to keep bleeds up to do that

wouldn't be very interesting

[stoic needle]

But it's uncapped

[balmy condor]

16 targets pb

[winged basin]

does stat prio change if you are targeting pure M+ aoe? or for fights like Council/Sun King

[stoic needle]

Would that really make it do 20x the damage

[balmy condor]

mastery rises, haste falls

[low girder]

sun king is a single target fight disguised as aoe

btw

[winged basin]

figured

[stoic needle]

You wouldn't gear for pure aoe for sun king or council tho

But yeah

Mastery

[winged basin]

tell my fire mage that

[limber lion]

Why do I get an error about PTR Chain Lightning when simming for Rogue

[winged basin]

and absolutely not, but was talking about it with a friend

[low girder]

you should, if he's not combusting one of the shields he's inting your raid

[balmy condor]

cause that's how it be

[stoic needle]

This is great news tho

[winged basin]

I have combust up for first or 2nd shield ontop of bustin every mob pack.

[stoic needle]

I dunno if I'll ever play outlaw again outside of slg

[low girder]

good

[winged basin]

I bust first shield 9999999% of the time so.

[stoic needle]

Part of me still wants a poxstorm

But my sin m+ set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Outlaw one

31% crit, 11% haste, 34% mastery

Actual fucking stonks

[limber lion]

Fair enough

[livid temple]

I mean it's lookin pretty good for sin, if the raid isn't all aoe fights sin is gonna pump

[limber lion]

Even on AoE, Sin is perfectly fine.

[livid temple]

And if the new raid doesn't suck for melee of course

[stoic needle]

quietly takes deathly shadows behind the shed and shoots it

You can look at the encounter abilities on the ptr now

[low girder]

with the other nerfs sin's ST is always worth considering, too

[livid temple]

The only issue I've found on AoE with sin is if the adds die super quick, something like huntsman is nice, but SLG feels tedious as sin

[stoic needle]

Tarragrue and eye of the jailer look like zoldyck fights

Both have nasty final phases

Sylvanas too possibly but I need to reread the abilites more it's a clusterfuck

[limber lion]

Yeh. At least on SLG there's 2 beefy targets to dot up and not just the small boys.

[livid temple]

@low girder I mean at this point sin looks like it will either be no1 or no2 on ST the only other competition really is shadow priest

[stoic needle]

The Nine is actually a real ass 2 target cleave fight

We are going to be absolutely disgusting on it

[low girder]

that's what i mean

[stoic needle]

No healing

[limber lion]

So pretty similar to Assa.

Play whatever you want

Who cares

:p

I trolled the sim, do take it with a grain of salt.

You can sim it yourself if you want accurate results.

[vagrant bison]

is 4.1k damage overall in mythic plus at il 208 bad? i could not pass that treshold in my last dungeons

[limber lion]

It's hard to say what is good and what is not

It depends on your talents, legendaries, which dungeon it was, how big pulls your tank is doing

Etc.

[stoic needle]

208 ilvl is pretty low though so keep that in mind

[vagrant bison]

the pulls are not too big (small keys, pugs) but i am always a little below everyone else

[compact pumice]

Is it common to see NS CT MFD simming higher for Dslice than Zoldyck Subt "normal" spec?

[limber lion]

Link the sim

[balmy condor]

it happens

it's not common tho

[limber lion]

I mean it's unusual

[compact pumice]

Wait, I simmed with wrong soulbind

let me make a better sim, I did two separate sims now

[limber lion]

holy moly my englando

[livid temple]

My sims also show NS, MA being better that subt & zold

[compact pumice]

Wait no

[solar hare]

sudden fractures outsimming wps 😮

[compact pumice]

fucked up again

[limber lion]

Hah

[stoic needle]

yeah sudden fractures is stonks

[limber lion]

Yes.

[solar hare]

ig so

[stoic needle]

sin conduits suck

[solar hare]

that surprised me

[livid temple]

All I need is a quantum and I'll sim for over 7 k

[limber lion]

Koji and the other TC's have done some improvements to the SBS apl

But mainly Koji.

I think

[solar hare]

sbs would only get better on more targets too :L

progging sire and deciding if i should use it or not

kinda pog

[low girder]

rogue conduits suck

except cto

[solar hare]

cto

sub conduits are

laughable

[stoic needle]

i've done like 4 callings and my SF is still ilvl 145

[low girder]

oof

[solar hare]

my stats suck too much to use IQD

[low girder]

my first venthyr calling gave me a 200 lashing lmao

[limber lion]

Same.

[compact pumice]

Same

[solar hare]

ive had this 226 iqd in my bags for

7 weeks

never used it

[limber lion]

Fix your stats.

[low girder]

^

force it to give crit

[limber lion]

And get like 100 dps

[low girder]

it's a big gain

[slow marsh]

Stop stacking mastery

[solar hare]

my vers is

too large

[low girder]

rip

[compact pumice]

But still need 213 lashing from just heroic sire

[limber lion]

Link sim Mori

[solar hare]

490 crit
718 haste
147 mastery
569 vers

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7JdsBnDPFirenY549jy3oP

[low girder]

are you running the boe ring

[solar hare]

nah

i have it but

using entwined tho

[low girder]

oh that one's close

if you can manage an arachnid

even a 220

might be a nice gain with IQD

[solar hare]

yeah i just dont wanna resocket

yeah

i wonder

if i resocket all crit

[low girder]

actually wait you have giga haste

[solar hare]

ye

[low girder]

for running a crit/vers ring

lmao

[solar hare]

718 haste

:L

[drifting cloud]

if you swap all 6 its enough

[solar hare]

if i resocket all crit instead of haste

[drifting cloud]

-128 haste +128 crit

[solar hare]

i could get haste/crit iqd

that could be giga?

[low girder]

if you can get crit highest

it's really big

[drifting cloud]

256 swing your difference is 228

[limber lion]

@compact pumice https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tNzxpgizq4syPzKmaWz2YQ

I did your sim

Your NS/MFD/CT with MA is better.

Not by that much though.

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6Bc1FrdsmhxvDunBtvuNiW

how is yours so much higher than mine