assassination

[grand ridge]

assassination is the best spec for m+ in my heart

[gusty mirage]

Does just fine up until 21+s

Ryfie’s timed 20s and 21s as sin and is probably pushing 22s

[wary ice]

^ that 20s are about where i would stop considering assa for a key

[drifting cloud]

hes done 24s

[charred mango]

so far we havent really had much change for rogues in 9.1, is there anything you guys are hoping for?

[minor void]

better AOE

or rather cp generation would be nice

[wary ice]

Make sub a real spec again plz

[charred mango]

agreed, i want to main sub again

[minor void]

sub was fun untill Assa pulled ahead

[charred mango]

im enjoying assas more than i expected, but if i could go sub id swap right away

[wary ice]

honestly dont care about the numbers

sub is straight not fun right now

granted bigger numbers are fun for sure

[charred mango]

i miss DFA crits the most

[wary ice]

I miss any sort of planning on the spec

[charred mango]

yep

[minor void]

can honestly play it with 2-3 buttons

[wary ice]

Assa changes: give subterfuge 2cp garrotes from stealth

and thats about it

Specs fine imo

[charred mango]

ooo yeah that would be ideal

[wary ice]

Outlaw is probably in its best form, minus target caps

[minor void]

I refuse to play pirate

[wary ice]

you're missin out

CTO is an amazing addition to their kit

[balmy condor]

A man of culture

[minor void]

Give me dagger specs bro Im a rouge

[balmy condor]

A MAN OF CULTURE

[minor void]

stab and poison from the shadows

like tbh Sub is losing out becuase backstab sucks

[balmy condor]

Aight too far

Go back

[wary ice]

its not supposed to be good :/

at least in current design

[minor void]

they need better damage out of dance windows and the other talents that aren't double dance need a buff

if you aint dancing youre doing nothing

[charred mango]

i really miss that prep-burst playstyle that we had before in legion

[honest karma]

Is there anyone here who is necrolord? thinking of swapping to it, but wondering how it feels to play

[lofty shell]

i swapped from venth to necro and its pretty sweet

but for pure ST venth is still better, necro just allows more efficient outlaw play and IMO the fleshcraft thing is more useful than door of shadow

[honest karma]

yeah doors is just meh haha

[lofty shell]

fleshcraft is pretty poggers

its a pretty big absorb just the cast kinda needs some thinking if u wanna use it to mitigate mechanics in raid or something

[polar cape]

Door outside of the aoe cc, i hate everything about it

[gusty mirage]

Haven’t checked his rio in a while, so it’s very possible

[lofty shell]

and fleshcraft in plaguefall is just

but u could say the same for venth pots in sd and stuff :p

[polar cape]

Venthyr dongeon stuff are the most impactful imo

[honest karma]

truue, I most likely wont touch outlaw tho tbh, but wonder how it is in keys. would really like to try it in pvp 😄

fuck it im doing it, only 2 weeks if i wanna go back anyway 😄

[lofty shell]

sbs takes some time getting used to

get the mouse over macro from the start

[honest karma]

will try it without first, but might have to get that 😄

[strange python]

when should I use memory of past sins? just on cd?

trying to learn opener but not sure when to incorporate the trinket

[lofty shell]

i did that too but mouseover makes it so u don't have to swap targets constantly, and can just pump dmg into 1 target (tho for assa swapping targets is bread and butter :P)

[honest karma]

haha yeah if u dont like target swapping u shouldnt play assa :p

[lofty shell]

ye in outlaw it matters cause you wanna keep hitting the BTE target

[gloomy fern]

Use memory prepull and then on cd

You can use it up to 20s before pull or so for full use

[limpid dove]

is there a preferred spot for the zoldyck? Legs or Feet?

[gloomy fern]

Legs for more stats

[strange python]

but assa is better single target regardless so do u need to worry about target swapping?

[limpid dove]

thanks

[balmy condor]

On cd yeah

[strange python]

does ma affect any of the trinket possiblity to crit?

[balmy condor]

Nothing affects trinkets

[strange python]

really? thought with outlaw bte affects trinket ability to crit

i know different spec but jus asking

[balmy condor]

Yeah but we don’t recognize outlaw here

[strange python]

true true haha

[balmy condor]

Planned execution also works

[strange python]

wow thats lame we have nothing to help trinket crit

[balmy condor]

For sub

[strange python]

thats bull

[soft shale]

only neat thing with trinkets you can do right now is using iqd on bl and it lasts 25 secs

so you can use the other on use

[balmy condor]

No it’s not bull

It’s completely normal

[soft shale]

with extra vers/haste/crit

[strange python]

wait should i be going to try and get an iqd?

i have memory of past and phials

[soft shale]

not a huge gain raid trinkets are quite fine

those are good

[strange python]

i swtiched skulkers for memory cause it simmed +4 dps lol

but i think i might go back to skulkers cause im not seeing how memory is suppose to work

also is there any need to use poisoned knife?

in rotation

[gloomy fern]

When ur away from boss to not cap energy

[fallen arch]

Infernal cascade does for fire mages tho?

[gusty mirage]

tbh I'd take the 4 dps loss so I don't accidently get killed by skulkers personally

[balmy condor]

Does this look like a mage discord

[gusty mirage]

Just an undercover shaman discord

[strange python]

WE ARE NOT FIREY BOIS

[fallen arch]

K

[strange python]

okay okay and lastly if im doing huntsman and i wanna switch to borghast i should only be switching on to any add to put garrot and rupture on?

[gloomy fern]

I'm a mage 🔥

[fallen arch]

So nothing affects trinkets for rogues

[gloomy fern]

Nothing for sin

Literally says a few rows up

[strange python]

like I have to worry about switching back and forth to be applying garrot and rupture? sounds so intense lol

[balmy condor]

Gotta fucking add

terms and conditions may apply, if you play a different class that has one niche thing that applies to my statement, that’s fantastic, im very glad. This is a rogue discord and the question is about rogues, so please keep that in mind. Don’t overanalyze a simple answer to a simple question, because honestly that’s just a fucking headache for me and results in me having to add this disclaimer

[lofty shell]

wait what? using iqd during BL extends duration?

[balmy condor]

To every answer I give

[soft shale]

not extends you get 5 extra and highest stat at that time

and on use trinkets have 20 secs cd between them

so you can use the other and still have that crit/vers

[lofty shell]

oooooo i get what u mean

[lean rover]

!disclaimer

damn too soon

[soft shale]

that is why iqd+dreadfire is kind of neat

[lofty shell]

put it in the message below your name

[dim temple]

26%crit and 24% haste or 29% crit and 22% haste?

[soft shale]

not a huge change

[gloomy fern]

27.5 crit or no go

27.55 even better

[dim temple]

ok so hit around 27.55

[gloomy fern]

But 27.555 bestest

[soft shale]

just pick what gives you more agi

[dim temple]

thanks all 🙂

[soft shale]

and sim the thing you want to do

[gloomy fern]

[soft shale]

unless you talking pvp then #pvp

[dim temple]

been simc all day .. it gives me so menny diff outcomes 🙂

[polar cape]

!disclaimer

Dang

[lofty shell]

tbh just take whatever top gear sim says u should use

[balmy condor]

Whispyr: answers a question
Random guy: WELL IN SONIC ADVENTURES STAGE 6 THE RINGS MAKE SONIC FASTER, AND THUS AGILITY, ON TOP OF THAT, THEYRE SET UP IN A PENTAGRAM SO YOU CANT JUST SAY “NO RINGS GIVE AGILITY”

[sonic schooner]

[gusty mirage]

[gloomy fern]

Is whispyr a broken man?

[gusty mirage]

we've broken him

[polar cape]

Customer service tend to do that to people

[balmy condor]

I work customer service irl as well

[gloomy fern]

[balmy condor]

I fucking hate humans

[gusty mirage]

I technically work in customer service

and I agree 110%

[balmy condor]

I’m happy when they take me off the desk and I can work as a mechanic

Because at least the machines don’t actively fight back when I scream at them

[gusty mirage]

my job comes with the caveat that people like to tell me how to do my job even though they're not licensed to do my job

[lofty shell]

lmfao

i did customer support for a little bit

[grand ridge]

Make sure it's garrote rupture AND deadly poison

[lofty shell]

and one guy at the phone was like

[balmy condor]

Hey saaaame

[lofty shell]

bro stop working for that company cuz its a sinking ship

i was like yea i cant say ur wrong

[grand ridge]

If you lose the poison you lose the energy regen

[misty holly]

It does make sense that Sonics speed is tied to his agility.

[gusty mirage]

and it ALWAYS starts with "I'm not going to tell you how to do your job"

[polar cape]

Buuuuut

[balmy condor]

I had someone ask if they can split the bill 17 ways, and I said no, so they took my card reader and went “sure you can, look!” And started going through menus “here enter your code”

So I laughed at them and told them to leave

[gusty mirage]

[pliant apex]

You work in restaurant?

[balmy condor]

I work at a bowling alley

[gusty mirage]

I had someone throw an extra hot latte at me when I worked at starbucks because they had to wait 3 minutes for it

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

if I ever find that human being in public, I'm going to prison

[balmy condor]

Anyways

Sin rogue is a lot like customer service

Because we do no damage and the mage yells at us

[normal mist]

LOL

[balmy condor]

Am i rite

[gusty mirage]

dude true

are mages the Karens of wow?

[polar cape]

Boumy are worst imo

[gloomy fern]

Boomies just don't know how pull timers work

[eternal finch]

guys do you know what is fastest or best way to level up new covenant specific conduit?

[gloomy fern]

Kill the boss who drops it

[gusty mirage]

kill sire

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

and the world boss

[balmy condor]

Kill sire

[lean rover]

Fire are worst, they push combu button 15sec later, dude why are you so low on details ...

[eternal finch]

I did world boss without thiking day before

but ye, forgot about sire

[gusty mirage]

yeah then run sire on LFR, normal, and heroic

[balmy condor]

Callings give 200 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

^ that too

[balmy condor]

That’s good enough

[eternal finch]

can callings drop covenant specific one? o.0

[gusty mirage]

yea

[eternal finch]

I didn't know that

oh, awesome

[gusty mirage]

its a random conduit

[polar cape]

@lean rover meh if they brg detail i brg the last time they died with block up and 3cheath dead <.<

[icy haven]

hoping for that sudden fractures from dena 😄

[gusty mirage]

but if your covenant one is the lowest its pretty much a guarantee one of them will give you it

assuming less than 200 ilvl

[lean rover]

[limpid dove]

what item level are you able to get through a torghast layer 8?

[limber lion]

150

[limpid dove]

lol

just sneaking through?

[limber lion]

Twisting Corridors or the normal one?

TC is a bit different

[limpid dove]

normal layer 8 for soul ash

[limber lion]

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

you could do it at any ilvl

[limber lion]

You can do it at any ilvl

[gusty mirage]

it'll just be harder the worse your gear is

[limber lion]

You just need to be a bit slower and kill more stuff for more powers

But once you have 3x unceasing chain link, it's over

Then you run past everything straight to the boss

[eternal finch]

Ye I just changed to necro, so it is 145 ilvl xD

[limber lion]

I got anima from my Sire. No items, no conduits, no pet. :'(

[gloomy fern]

ppl actually kill stuff as rogue in regular l8

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

To be fair, with like 120 ilvl you probs have to xd

[strange python]

@limber lion if there are two targets am I switching to always make sure each one has garrote rupture and poisons on them running all at the same time?

[limber lion]

Can't probably slam the floor mini-bosses

[limber lion]

Yes sir, exactly.

[strange python]

how about if theres three lol?

[gloomy fern]

who is 120 without trying to be bad

[limber lion]

It's the same thing.

[strange python]

its very very overwhelming starting out i must say

[balmy condor]

You put gar rup poisons on ALL THREE

[limber lion]

After 3 it gets a bit hectic and you might change it up a bit.

As you cannot get 4 garrotes up

[strange python]

@balmy condor lol whispyr you dont have to answer if youre feeling overwhelmed

[balmy condor]

And technically CT as well

[limber lion]

And you start using the best generator in the game

FoK

[strange python]

I just started like 3 months ago so i apologize

oh okay thanks

[limber lion]

No worries mate

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-disgusted-gif-18347709

[limber lion]

We wouldn't be here answering stuff if we didn't want to

Speaking for myself here, Whispyr is probably at gunpoint at all times

[balmy condor]

Zine puts me back in my cage every night

[sudden hound]

I was gonna say. I heard green names are required ti be here and answer questions

[hollow escarp]

no lol

[limber lion]

Yeh that's why a lot of them get demoted after a while

For being inactive

/S

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

wait, really?

[lofty shell]

rogue defo isn't the easiest class to pick up so keep going at it man! 😄

[hollow escarp]

aaaah

lol

got me there Cev

[balmy condor]

Imagine

[sudden hound]

[limber lion]

Nameless who? Sarywho?

[hollow escarp]

tbf, in BfA I was just lurking and checking pins for stuff

didn't had to ask questions

[gusty mirage]

I knew it

where was Zine hiding you in bfa?

[balmy condor]

Secret lab

[limber lion]

Whispyr was a decent redname back then

One of us

Now he's above us all.

[gusty mirage]

I should remove the light blue name

[hollow escarp]

he is always one of us

[gusty mirage]

it's time

[limber lion]

[hollow escarp]

true sin

[gusty mirage]

go back to my original color, red

[lofty shell]

what's the other red for actually

[strange python]

jesus christ its so difficult trying to keep switching to all targets while im focusing on even trying to use vendetta to stay on that 1 target majority of times

[balmy condor]

Patreon

[gusty mirage]

ew why am I yellow

[strange python]

maybe il just try to master 1 target and so on

[hollow escarp]

that's why we use nameplates

😉

[balmy condor]

Outlaw overrides sin

[polar cape]

Blasphemy

[hollow escarp]

as usual

[gusty mirage]

😡

[lean rover]

get away pirate

[lofty shell]

[gusty mirage]

I've been mutilating since you were a wee lad sir

[strange python]

I got nameplates but still lol i dont even have down the rotation for 1 target yet

[hollow escarp]

ngl, I would keep outlaw role for the color

[gusty mirage]

nope

NO MORE

[hollow escarp]

[balmy condor]

Start with 1

[lean rover]

yeah but you are yellow nonetheless

[balmy condor]

1 is quite easy

[lean rover]

i take that back

[shy dust]

So hear me out Whispyr

[limber lion]

That's the beauty of sin. Starting slow in ST and ramping up in AoE

[gusty mirage]

I'm finally home

[shy dust]

What if with the MA talent

[balmy condor]

No

[shy dust]

You apply max bleeds

[limber lion]

Even though Mystler disagrees

[lofty shell]

it's practice and knowing the mechanics behind assa, 1 target basically keeping your bleeds up (rup / gar) and poison on the target, if that's done you can use shiv on cd and spend cp on envenom

[lean rover]

welcome back

[hollow escarp]

sin is like diesel engines

[shy dust]

Then sit in stealth for their entire duration

50% bonus crit the ENTIRE DOT

[limber lion]

stahp

[strange python]

1 is mutilate snd mutiliate then garrote then mutilate to 5 then use flagg and vend than rupture than go to 5 and use shiv then vanish into envenoms?

[shy dust]

large gain large gain

[balmy condor]

Do you have a rope and a ceiling fan

[gusty mirage]

how many marijuanas have you had today sir?

[shy dust]

Dudes that’s like 30 lost auto attacks

No shot it’s worse

[balmy condor]

Rae I’ll go Liam neason on you

[limber lion]

Pretty much yeah, assuming you play DS

[balmy condor]

I will find you.

[limber lion]

With Vig it's 4/5 CP

[strange python]

yea i use DS

[limber lion]

Yeh gucci

[lofty shell]

that ST opener looks solid tbh

[shy dust]

[strange python]

so then lets say i want to go to two after i have that down...should i focus my opener on 1 and then when i finish with the vanish and envemon now start putting bleeds on others?

[balmy condor]

Worrying about openers

[hollow escarp]

@shy dust DOOOD

[strange python]

lmaoooo

[balmy condor]

Just dot cd one dot other

[limber lion]

Just put bleeda up on both

[hollow escarp]

remember when you said about IQD crit proc?

[limber lion]

And you're gucci

[shy dust]

Yes I do

[wary ice]

on huntsman its worth it to get your bleeds up asap

[hollow escarp]

I got one last night

[shy dust]

I speak highly of Iqd

[hollow escarp]

[wary ice]

dont delay coolies tho

[shy dust]

Congrats

Welcome to the squad

[strange python]

I cant wait til i got this down cant keep looking like an idiot in here

[wary ice]

I've converted

got a 226 on tuesday and this thing fucks

[shy dust]

Another one

It does FUCK

[limber lion]

I played IQD on Sire and got r1, so IQD has to be the best trinket

[strange python]

aight back to dummies i go

[shy dust]

Works very well

[hollow escarp]

every fight I try to find ways to equip IQD

[gusty mirage]

nah you're fine, it'll just come with muscle memory

[lofty shell]

dont worry abot that we all been there when we were new 😄

[limber lion]

No doubt in my mind.

[wary ice]

oh no

[lofty shell]

do some dummy do some lfr do some dungeons and practice 😄

[hollow escarp]

like being over 10k dps for more than 20 sec feels so good

[wary ice]

Oxi left blue:^(

[gusty mirage]

I did

[limber lion]

Good

[gusty mirage]

I spent my life as a red boi and I was lost but now I'm found

[lofty shell]

lmao

[limber lion]

One. Of. Us.

[lofty shell]

i started with sub fotm

[gusty mirage]

I started with sub because I thought it'd be fun to play again 😦

I WAS LIED TO

[hollow escarp]

i converted to sub after I failed 3 torghasts in a row as assa

before nerfs

[wary ice]

lol how

[hollow escarp]

[wary ice]

assa is free af in torghast

[lofty shell]

lol

[wary ice]

even before its buffs lol

[lofty shell]

first weeks torghast was LEGIT hard

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

stop pretending

[limber lion]

9.0 Torghast was pretty bad

[hollow escarp]

we did no damage

and torghast was hard

[lofty shell]

ye lmfao

[wary ice]

Man maybe

[hollow escarp]

leeching poison was shit

[lofty shell]

i had to run with a prot pala to get it done

[wary ice]

I dont remember ever having issues with roghast ngl

[gusty mirage]

I remember layer 8 getting sketchy at times

[wary ice]

I've soloed it since it came out

[gusty mirage]

but besides that it was fine

[hollow escarp]

soothing darkness saved me

[limber lion]

I legit couldn't kill the last boss at times

[shy dust]

Torghast wasn’t even too hard back then

[hollow escarp]

yeah, on 3rd week I started playing assa in Torghast

[limber lion]

Even though I geared for boss onöy

[shy dust]

We just had very shit gear

[lofty shell]

i remember layer 3 one of the first weeks felt like layer 18 in tc or some shit

[hollow escarp]

I had like 150-160 ilvl

and died with boss at 4% hp

[limber lion]

The boss which had 8 shields was imba

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

Once the shields were down, he would one tap you

[wary ice]

AHHH ok i do remember this

It was literally just boss roulette though

[limber lion]

Yeh

[lofty shell]

ye

[limber lion]

Some were ez

[wary ice]

you'd get to floor 3 and check if it was the easy guy and just reset

[limber lion]

Some were literally imba

[strange python]

I can just use fan of knives to quickly get poisons on others around sigh why did I not even realize that

[shy dust]

All you needed to do was play sub

And you cleared

[limber lion]

We didn't even have those boss holograms in the beginning

[balmy condor]

Calm down boomer

[shy dust]

Was very hard to die as sub

[limber lion]

[shy dust]

Especially with any of the % hp powers

[hollow escarp]

that's what I did, I still had food on my bars from Legion and I still killed torghast bosses on first try

[lofty shell]

the things next to the vendor?

[limber lion]

Yap

[shy dust]

Yeah I mean like

[lofty shell]

loooooool never realized what that was for

[shy dust]

Any hp gain

[lofty shell]

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

yeah those weren't added for a few weeks iirc

[limber lion]

[shy dust]

Plus the 3% heal per second in dance

Made dying very hard

[hollow escarp]

yep

[lofty shell]

i abused that sub talent hard

[hollow escarp]

it didn't change btw

works the same

[dull cloak]

i just remember all the people saying rogue is impossible on torghast during the first month of SL

[balmy condor]

We just had to out tank everything

[wary ice]

They def put way too many "and now vanish does this" abilties into the anima power pool

[limber lion]

Ye

[balmy condor]

Instead of take 2 traits and skip everything

[shy dust]

Yeah we didn’t have dps powers that were strong

[wary ice]

Uhhh no

[shy dust]

First step was nuts but impossible to get

[wary ice]

we had unceasing chain still

[limber lion]

Boss doing 80% of my health with one hit was brutal

[gilded belfry]

Wasnt impossible. Wasnt tank stupid easy though and Vanish based talents just reset so they were troll

[lofty shell]

ye dps power were actual troll

[limber lion]

The scaling thing was shit

[stoic needle]

We hadn't scaled enough with gear yet

[shy dust]

Yah mean the power that disappeared as you moved up floors

[wary ice]

never had that happen

only ever watched garrote tick for 12k

[stoic needle]

It was extremely common

[icy haven]

unceasing is the shit tho

[shy dust]

That was a very common occurrence

You could have 4 stacks of the chain

[icy haven]

50k mutis and 100k garrote dam

[shy dust]

And get to boss with only 1 stack left

[limber lion]

Yup

[icy haven]

so it would consume a charge?

[wary ice]

Honestly back when kyrian was the shit

[limber lion]

No

They just disappeared

For no reason

[hollow escarp]

I was never kyrian

[icy haven]

big oofs

[hollow escarp]

nf from start

[shy dust]

The sepsis power was actually nuts

[stoic needle]

Inb4 the unwashed masses all start using iqd

[shy dust]

The explosive sepsis power

[wary ice]

the best build was a fuck ton of unceasing chains + the finishing on 7 resets ER

[icy haven]

3x unceasing and the sbs damage one from max range is the shit

[dull cloak]

Nf sepsis anima power one shot end of floor boss if you pulled extra mobs into.it

[icy haven]

300k sbs on the boss yday

[limber lion]

With mastery as their highest stat as well

Brainwash them all

[hollow escarp]

my fav anima power was the Sepsis that spreads to close enemies

I miss that a lot

[limber lion]

That was insane

[hollow escarp]

easy cd reset

[limber lion]

Spread to 3 mobs around your main target

[shy dust]

They each gave stacks of groove invigoration

[limber lion]

Those die

And spread it to the big dude

[shy dust]

Could easily get 40 stacks

[limber lion]

Yep

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but cap was 50

I think

I abused some maw rats

with that

[dull cloak]

oh i didnt even notice thr invig stacks

[hollow escarp]

for testing purposes

the flag one isn't bad either

the extra strikes

[icy haven]

the necro ones are way stronger imo

[limber lion]

The haste one is nutty

But the bosses die too quick

So yoy don't get much use out of it

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but rn I just stealth to last boss, do some objective and kill last boss

[limber lion]

Yup

[hollow escarp]

unless I'm boosting an alt or playing with a friend

[stoic needle]

Around what renown do random heroics stop giving you renown?

[hollow escarp]

I've got one at 16 renown

did a calling on an alt and got renown from HC

[stoic needle]

I'm at 20 and they're still giving it

[hollow escarp]

it's probably random

[stoic needle]

One per dungeon

Each one takes like 10 minutes it's really nice

[hollow escarp]

I play sub in heroics

[stoic needle]

Lol I should try that

I've been playing the NS MfD MA build

Which feels weird as shit as necrolord

[hollow escarp]

I always try different stuff in low content

on my hunter tried to play survival and I have no clue what buttons to press

[gusty mirage]

oh that one's easy

go to character select

and push the delete character button

[hollow escarp]

I think a good start is to not let energy bar cap

[stoic needle]

Press the ones that do damage

[gusty mirage]

he said survival tho

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

well, I did beat an outlaw rogue

on one pull

4.8k dps

he probably had to open door for food delivery, but that doesn't count

[stoic needle]

I did 12k dps on tred'ova last night kekw

Ppl in my groups are like "thanks for the carry"

[hollow escarp]

[undone eagle]

Anyone here using the addon threat plates? when i manage to do target focus i make rest of mobs 90% more dark health bar but when i bleed them all they are all as a target for me, why???

i wanna see who im focusing

[stoic needle]

We had the tank and healer leave after the first boss in SD, so i just became the tank

Made it to the groundskeeper who summons the tornadoes before I died

[hollow escarp]

tricks another player

[stoic needle]

Heroic mobs aren't that hard

[hollow escarp]

and you are safe

[rain bobcat]

Anyone have any tips to optimally using crimson tempest based on number of targets?

[gusty mirage]

anything under 8 just try to keep it up

if you got more than 8, CT until you get it on all I guess

[balmy condor]

yep

maintain on 1-8, 9-16 you try and get it on everything

[rain bobcat]

Awesome thanks. Im just looking on top parses for mythic stone legion and they seem to cast it a lot...

[undone eagle]

Guys do you have an addon for targets when you bleed around?

[balmy condor]

good set of nameplates

[undone eagle]

that your main target is a bit thicker plate or the other mobs gets a bit fade

[balmy condor]

every nameplate addon has that setting

[undone eagle]

I try to do it

when im on my main target the other mobs gets darkened by 90%

but somehow all of them start to be my main target when i bleeded them

idk why

[balmy condor]

sounds like you set it up wrong

[undone eagle]

you know about threat plates right?

I can send you a SS of what Ive don

Done*

[balmy condor]

I use plater

[undone eagle]

But experienced from threat plate?

[balmy condor]

I don't think I've even heard of threat plates

in the last like

6 years

[undone eagle]

really its bad?

[balmy condor]

no clue

[hollow escarp]

it's not bad

[balmy condor]

I thought the addon got discontinued

[undone eagle]

But how do you set it up when you wanna focus targets?

[hollow escarp]

but Plater is much more easy to customize

I used Thread Plates a lot

[undone eagle]

you make others darkened and main target lighter

?

[hollow escarp]

but now I have elvui

ngl, I keep my nameplates basic

and I just follow the bleeds numbers

no flashy stuff

although that might help my dps in keys

[undone eagle]

It does yeah , its easier to see who you on

sometimes i rebleed same target who alrdy has a good duration

so i had to fix this problem

[hollow escarp]

I think Seliathan used Thread Plates, not sure if he is still using them

you could take his profile and compare

[gaunt geyser]

btw i got question about nameplates. What do you guys using i just downloaded plater and i'm curious. Is it any setting in plater to sort my debbufs

[ionic kelp]

i use plater, and just get a profile off wago. works well

[hollow escarp]

@stoic needle has a link

[balmy condor]

I can send my profile as well

[ionic kelp]

https://wago.io/H9o_0mYN8/276

nice cause you can hover over debuffs/buffs and it'll show tooltip

[hollow escarp]

the thing I hate about Plater is that I get so picky and I waste too much time setting up how nameplates look

so after wasting 1hour I just delete it and use basic elvui

[gaunt geyser]

i mean sorting debbufs like time to finish in order

is it any option to do that ?

[limpid violet]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gaunt geyser]

will be much easier to track

[hollow escarp]

if I was to track it like that, I would prefer them by % duration

instead of time left

for tracking pandemic

but I cba

[wary ice]

using plater and elvui is insane

just pick one :^(

I personally use kui cause of what you were talkinga bout though

the defaults are solidly good enough

[hollow escarp]

I usually go back to default every 1-2 months

then back to elvui

not very consistent on my UI

[wary ice]

I left elvui soley becasue i disliked maintaining it manually :/

[hollow escarp]

I dislike default elvui, it's so bad and fonts are terrible

[vagrant bison]

@balmy condor do you have a script for plater that changes the bar colors when you have for example garrote up on them?

[wary ice]

also because my profile sucked ass

from a time i was playing on a much smaller screen

[vagrant bison]

i tried to look on wago but haven't found anything

[balmy condor]

no, my plater just highlights bleeds in pandemic

and that's basically it

[wary ice]

why change the bar color when you have a big square that shows it?

[hollow escarp]

that should be good enough

better than ordering them by debuff duration

[vagrant bison]

because when you have a lot of targets it would make easier to see if one has a dot on it or not

at least imo

[wary ice]

If you do it like that

[balmy condor]

but that's what the nameplate is for

right?

like you see the nameplate

and you see it doesn't have the dot

that's the whole point

[wary ice]

You're going to need literally uhhhhh like 9~ ish different colors for all the permutations of bleed/poison uptimes

[vagrant bison]

i would make it only for 1 dot though

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/0xB3yNIxB

Mine doesn't order by duration

[vagrant bison]

and, if you have a lot of nameplates, between ct, garrote and rupture is pretty confusing. But ui is a matter of preference

[stoic needle]

But it filters out a lot of the clutter debuffs that are tracked my default

[vagrant bison]

@stoic needle i actually tried yours yesterday and it spammed my chat with errors xD

[hollow escarp]

I track garrote and rupture with base WA when target swapping, and use nameplates to track remaining duration

[stoic needle]

Uh, you sure your plater is up to date, because it doesn't do that for mine

[vagrant bison]

yes it is

[stoic needle]

What were the errors

[vagrant bison]

but, i was curious about the purple bars

like

those are for targets with rupture on?

[stoic needle]

Purple means it's a dangerous enemy, or that it has an expiring dot

Something that has a cast that needs to be kicked

[fervent fog]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stoic needle]

I'm probably getting rid of the colors for types of enemies because you should know those by now

[vagrant bison]

yeah, i thought it was for debuffs

i am actually pretty happy with the plater i made, just looking for a script that changes the bar color based on the presence of a debuff on it

i am actually pretty happy with the plater i made, just looking for a script that changes the bar color based on the presence of a debuff on it

[stoic needle]

There is one included by default with plater you just have to enable it

[vagrant bison]

mhhh let me check

can you send me yours? i think i deleted mine time ago. i only have the one that makes the debuff glow

[stoic needle]

It should be part of the one I linked earlier

It might also be under the modding section I don't remember

[vagrant bison]

fair enough

[gaunt geyser]

looks great but i got a lot of error messages in chat window

[wary ice]

for future reference u can paste your Shift-win-s snips directly to discord

[faint canopy]

Do you guys think the new soulbinds will affect which covenant is bis?

[wary ice]

I mean yes.

[balmy condor]

typically that's how that works, yeah

new shit changes balance

and soulbinds are part of cov balance

[wary ice]

changes to 50% of the benefit of taking a specific covenant will likely have an impact on the balances between them

There isnt a whole lot of point making decisions on current ptr builds though

[short hamlet]

@balmy condor my lad, are you still in the self harm procedure of doing log reviews?

[balmy condor]

I do them every now and then

[halcyon raptor]

Out of curiosity, how proficient is everyone in m+ as sin

[balmy condor]

idk what that question is supposed to mean

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-sl-1/world/rogue/assassination

you can see sin rogue's here

[limber lion]

Ryfie

[vestal wren]

assassination is underrated for m+

[sick scarab]

agree

[vestal wren]

ofc outlaw has a slight edge, but it does not make assassination terrible

[limber lion]

If something is not "OP", it's bad.

That's the crowd mentality

[vestal wren]

a lot of things are relative to the best option just bad

[limber lion]

Everyone says Outlaw is good and Assa is bad, thus everyone believes it.

Outlaw does 2% more damage

"Assa is awful and does no damage"

[vestal wren]

the reality is, people lack the information and knowlage to know how far off a spec rly is

[wary ice]

imagine only doing 98% damage

[limber lion]

There's other problems with the spec, but damage isn't necessarily it.

Yep

[wary ice]

I prefer outlaw cause the rotation is easier

[limber lion]

They just believe what they see and what they hear.

[vestal wren]

as there is a diffrence between a spec being 1-2% beind and 20-50% behind

[wary ice]

which frees up mental ram for doing other things i need to do

[vestal wren]

just speaking output wise

Outlaw has a lot on nice tools to its exposal but also some shortcommings

its still overall the better pick

one thing that could make assassination better could be scaling

i have not looked at it at all but if you make the assumption that the gap between sin and outlaw widens with additional stats (because haste double dips on assassination for example). Its possible that assassination will get high enough ahead to make it the better choice even with deficits

kind of like subtlety was the "best pick" on beta even tho it probably wasn't (it kinda was before they nerfed it because of an op legendary)

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor fuu’s using the forbidden S word and I’m scared

[wary ice]

hes not wrong though assa has a lot more resources tied into stats than outlaw does

[gusty mirage]

IM STILL SCARED

[vestal wren]

I know i use scaling as a vector even tho i and others usually tell people to not give it to much value

[wary ice]

IDK the actual effects of stuff though but i know my monkey brain will be excited ot not have to fok 4 times to get to 5cp

[balmy condor]

imagine thinking sin scales harder than outlaw

[vestal wren]

its also just a example/thought experiment

[limber lion]

Sub was the best pick because they had 12587 bugs and/or op legendaries/conduits/etc benefitting them

[gusty mirage]

say it’s true fuu

[vestal wren]

so the assumption is wildly picked and is not something thats nessecerly true

[balmy condor]

historically, and even through shadowlands

sin has scaled the worst out of all the rogue specs

so yes there's interactions

[gusty mirage]

Hell yeah sin in keys is back baby

[balmy condor]

but cmon

cmon.

[vestal wren]

i have no idea how well any of the 3 specs scales

[balmy condor]

sub > outlaw > sin in terms of that

but yeh

hypothetically, you're correct

[vestal wren]

its just a assumption i made to explain the point that the gap between 2 specs could be wide enough to make one better even if the other one offers better tools

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean so can CTO being a 7% conduit

[vestal wren]

yes

[balmy condor]

there's any number of reasons why that might be

[vestal wren]

exactly, you can just exchange it with any other thing that can scale and make it the baseline of the argument

i think sub did scale rly poorly when i remember the graph from babs legion chart correctly

i can search it if its interessting

there it is

sin > sub >= outlaw i would say from the table

[balmy condor]

yeh

from that table

sure

[vestal wren]

its from legion, so its rly outdated

some of the things from the table could still apply

[silent stratus]

I read that dslice isnt reliable for assa rogue

is it true? if yes, why?

[vestal wren]

to be clear we talk very hypothetical here, so this is not the "how it is" but "what could be"

dungeon slice is good

it is the only fight style that allowes multiple restealths, resets, per target effects and has dynamic group sizes

its a very good estimate

[forest nacelle]

Hypothetically, sub mid pack?

[silent stratus]

yep I know it's very good estimate and I know how it works, that's why I was confused

prob it was just a random rumor

[vestal wren]

moment, letme explain

[forest nacelle]

ok

[silent stratus]

is this SL?

[vestal wren]

no, its legion so very outdated

[forest nacelle]

sorry, just been a die hard fan of sub since the begining of BFA into SL so xD

[vestal wren]

Given that we get higher itemlevel with 9.1 its possible that the stat dr becomes relevant

if that happens it could mean that we spread out our stats over multiple stats

if that's the case (big if) specs that have one or thwo stats that don't work well for them would be in a dissadvantage

mastery happens to be not very good on outlaw, so it could end up suffering from that

again, this is a lot of assumptions, nothing to take as face value

[forest nacelle]

kinda like if you stretch pasta to much? it just breaks?

[limber lion]

What makes a spec suddenly good are buffs to their kit or some sort of overloaded borrowed power.

[rose ermine]

What talent build do you guys go with during raids?

[limber lion]

A spec that is trash won't suddenly become good because we get 30 ilvls more.

[limber lion]

Depends on the fight honestly.

[vestal wren]

the first question would be how much secoundary stats we will get, as the stat dr is only relevant if we begin to hit higher dr steps

[shy dust]

That’s not what Fuu is saying

[limber lion]

EP/MA/Vig/Alac/PB or BS/MA/DS/Alac/PB, but you should sim them
@rose ermine

[vestal wren]

veverion, i don't talk about sudden changes, but more about passive changes

i think we made sure that people know that the main reason assassination is good now is not any scaling but straight out buffs to the spec

[stoic needle]

It's not true

[vestal wren]

why, whats wrong with it oshosi

[balmy condor]

he's saying that it is reliable

[vestal wren]

oh

nvm

[stoic needle]

You have to go into the power bar text mod and set a font

[limber lion]

I think there's too much emphasis on the importance of stats. When your "best stat" is weighted at 1.7 and worst is 1.3, I don't think saying that the worst stat is awful or bad.

They're still very very close.

[vestal wren]

thats true

[limber lion]

Maybe looking at Fire Mage in BFA where their mastery was at 40 and crit was 2.3

I think that's a massive gap and that's where things like that start to matter.

[silent stratus]

in the IV guide, it says that "The fully inclusive rotation is a lot more extensive than the one listed above, but gives only marginal gains at best" - what's additional details of the APL that changes from the rotation that IV explained?

[limber lion]

But again, that's only because of borrowed power.

That's not because the spec values mastery more as a baseline.

[balmy condor]

all sorts of very minor timing things and specific situations like mfd sniping for example, or holding shiv for vendetta, etc etc

[vestal wren]

i think seli does just say that you shouldn't be worried about min/maxing to much because the gains are not super high

[limber lion]

And so do we.

[balmy condor]

guides are all meant to give a solid understanding of the spec

[limber lion]

Whispyr and I say the exact same thing

whenever someone comes in here

And asks "how much haste is needed to play assa"

or "how much crit do i need to get better parses"

[vestal wren]

you tell him to sim it 😛

[lean rover]

"doesnt matter just press the godamn buttons !"

[vestal wren]

there isn't any particular good/bad stat distribution because they are very close

[patent topaz]

my crit is way too low I think, I need 6.14% to be viable

[silent stratus]

yes I understand that, but in case someone is interested in min/maxing, should I read and understand the APL or there is somewhere where I can easily read all the additional details?

[shy dust]

More haste than crit

[balmy condor]

as low as possible, so you can have more of all the other stats and then high roll into 80% envenom crit with only 10% crit on character

[shy dust]

Yikes brother

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

Any 34% mastery gamers?

[limber lion]

[patent topaz]

no iqds here brother

[forest nacelle]

i have like 25% vers on mah sub xD

[forest nacelle]

and i don't pvp much

[stoic needle]

Unfortunate

[balmy condor]

just get 1/1000000 crit rng on your pull

crit not needed

[lunar elm]

my stats > your stats

kappa

[patent topaz]

[vestal wren]

i think mystler has most/all apl improvements in the wowhead guide.
But you can actually read it, we have everything thats not obviouse commented so it should be a easy read usually

[shy dust]

No PvP there either it seems

[patent topaz]

nope, only went to 1900

[silent stratus]

thanks

[stoic needle]

Imagine pvping

[patent topaz]

should do more next season but by the looks of it pvp gear is going to be lower ilevel

[vestal wren]

atually

[patent topaz]

didnt read the posts

[vestal wren]

i am curios how many people drop pvping in 9.1

[shy dust]

It will still be relevant

[vestal wren]

now that the rewards are lower

[shy dust]

Mythic level weapons

For hitting elite

Is still nice

[patent topaz]

it is fun still

[gray fjord]

They're heroic outside of PvP

[silent stratus]

haste/crit on doomblade?

[patent topaz]

at least assa in 2s is atm

[stoic needle]

No it's not

[forest nacelle]

kek

[sick scarab]

well pvp

[vestal wren]

is it still mythic itemlevel?

[shy dust]

But they’re not

[gray fjord]

Nope

[sick scarab]

should give pvp items

[gray fjord]

Did you see the datamined scaling thing?

[vestal wren]

i thought they scaled it down to be only mythic itemlevel in pvp

[gray fjord]

^

[shy dust]

Was there more recent news

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[sick scarab]

they are going correct direction.. you are pvper you gain pvp related items..

[shy dust]

Than the blue post

[gray fjord]

Like yesterday I think Wowhead has a bunch of datamined stuff

[shy dust]

By blizzard about it

[forest nacelle]

indeed i am

[sick scarab]

cant be higher thatn pve counterpart

[shy dust]

Which stated that duelist gear would be 220 this tier

[sick scarab]

for pve

[shy dust]

Was there more recent news than that

Because every rank basically just lost 6 ilvl

[vestal wren]

Zeratüle, did you paly ptr a lot? how much much content is there to do?

[stoic needle]

That's enough for me to not bother and just wait for the vault

[undone eagle]

Does anyone know why (threat plates addon) my Transparency settings get resetted when i pull packs on m+? Before pulling the plates works just as fine but as soon as i start bleeding them etc everything gets reset with my plates

[gray fjord]

Yeah I've been binging on the PTR these last couple days. Korthia is mostly opened up (lots of grindy dailies and some are broken.) Most of the introductory quest is unlocked, I need to bring over another character that has 40 renown to see if you can start earning renown for the new campaign stuff. My necro is only at 34 so I can't confirm if you can earn renown yet.

No more eye of the jailer and you can mount in the maw within the first like 2 hours of starting Korthia quest chain is a plus.

[stoic needle]

Oh boy, grindy dailies

[thorny pond]

Moreso than now?

[shy dust]

“If this arrangement had been in place during Shadowlands Season 1, Duelist gear would have had a baseline item level of 220 and would have scaled up to item level 233 in Season 1 PvP.”

[vestal wren]

how big is the new zone?

[shy dust]

From the blue post

That sounds like as of now

You can still get a M weapon from PvP

[gray fjord]

For PvP content yes, it's still equal to a mythic raid weapon.

[shy dust]

No

[vestal wren]

it sounds like 220 in m+/pve and 233 in pvp

[sick scarab]

for pvp

[shy dust]

For pve

Elite gear is 233

That would be 226

[silent stratus]

what would be the minimum ilvl for the normal new raid then?

[drifting cloud]

227 even 👀

[shy dust]

👀

[vestal wren]

normal is 226

iirc

[shy dust]

I’m not sure what’s causing so much confusion

If duelist is 220

[sick scarab]

pvp gear should be lower in pve content and higher in pvp. easy and simple

[shy dust]

Then elite would still give M ilvl weapons

[vestal wren]

thats exactly what they do

i hope

[sick scarab]

if blizz will do that they are going right direction

[stoic needle]

They get -6 ilvls, and they gain 13 ilvls in pvp

[gray fjord]

Yes, but elite would be 227, and mythic sire is 233

[stoic needle]

So it's a 19 ilvl gap from the equivalent in pve

[shy dust]

I never said a sire weapon

[gray fjord]

So it'd be in between regular mythic weapon and end tier

[shy dust]

You’d get a M ilvl weapon

Which is massive for prog

[vestal wren]

the table explains it quite well

[stoic needle]

It's mid mythic not endboss mythic ilvl

[shy dust]

Mythic level weapons unless that’s changed will still be very strong for next tier

On top of being able to fill out gear

[drifting cloud]

poor trill

[balmy condor]

"oh no only 226 weapons"

[drifting cloud]

gonna have to carry half the guild to 2.4 now

not only 2.1

[vestal wren]

they could even lower the base itelevel

[shy dust]

No

[vestal wren]

so that you have lower incentive to pvp

[stoic needle]

I hope they raise the ilvl you can upgrade gear to with valor

[vestal wren]

if you mainly do pve

[shy dust]

You should have an incentive

[stoic needle]

Proportionally

[shy dust]

To do all the content

And gain advantages from it

[drifting cloud]

the incentive is low enough now unless youre a class that really likes vers

[vestal wren]

i disagree because pvp is fairly diffrent from pve

[drifting cloud]

if you want it lower youre just crying for no reason

[patent topaz]

it was because of the acquisition that pvp gear was good not because of ilevel

this tier

[stoic needle]

If mythic+ can get you the same ilvl of gear as pvp then I'd be fine with it

[vestal wren]

m+/raids are both similar in execution

[stoic needle]

The ilvl was definitely a factor too

[vestal wren]

pvp is reactional gameplay and is only somewhat linked to pve combat

[patent topaz]

individually id say raids are the easiest

[shy dust]

I mean m+ valor would need to be nerfed even more

[drifting cloud]

hello theres valor in the game

[vestal wren]

wdym

[shy dust]

If it it was meant to be equal to conquest gear

Arena gear is like 75% Vers

The trinkets are not particularly good from arena

Outside of for certain specs

M+ has a lot of Very desirable gear

And much better stat distribution for specs

[vital haven]

now they just need to give m+ access to mythic level gear and we good

[drifting cloud]

the vault?

[vestal wren]

i think the idea is to give m+ and pvp heroic-ish itemlevel rewards

so that the raid content is the highest pve content for gear aquisition

it makes sense because the main content of the game is the raid

[stoic needle]

I think it would be nice if the vault had reroll tokens you could get by running more than 10 keys or bought with anima or something

[ionic kelp]

yup, m+ will most likely never give gear the same ilvl as killing mythic bosses

[stoic needle]

Just to give you more control over it than pure rng

So you don't get literally the same items over and over and pick stygia every week

[shy dust]

That’s the point of it

[ionic kelp]

specifically the last two, as you can get 226 from vault

[shy dust]

It’s rng

And it’s massively better

Than previous system

[vestal wren]

it seems that we might get the reroll token introduced again, at least from the datamining

[stoic needle]

Just because it's slightly better than the previous system doesn't mean it isn't still dogshit

[gray fjord]

Yep, saw those global strings as well.

[shy dust]

It’s not slightly better

[gray fjord]

Better =/= Good

[shy dust]

SL vault

Is thousand times better

Than BFA

[vital haven]

100%

[stoic needle]

If pvp gets to choose you should get some kind of rng protection for m+

It's still dogshit

[ionic kelp]

reroll tokens + vault is a good upgrade to the loot system

[stoic needle]

I don't care how much better it is than bfa

[vestal wren]

coins actually have some value in allowing players to help with gear aquisition

[shy dust]

No it’s not

You get multiple raid or m+ options

Especially raid

Which generally has very strong gear

[stoic needle]

You cannot tell me getting the same items over and over from the vault is a good system

You literally can't

[shy dust]

My guy have you played wow?

[stoic needle]

I haven't gotten a single mythic vault the entire expansion

[shy dust]

That’s on you

[stoic needle]

When pvp gets to choose

[shy dust]

That has nothing to do with the system

[vestal wren]

The vault system is nice

[stoic needle]

M+ should get some small bit of control too

[drifting cloud]

you are literal proof that wow players will always complain

[vestal wren]

i wish i could decide between 3 keys too 😛

[drifting cloud]

even if they make it better you will still find something wrong with it

[vital haven]

you wanting deterministic system in pve doesnt mean the vault is bad @stoic needle

[ionic kelp]

the only complaint i have with the vault system is the possible stacking of similar gear slots

[gray fjord]

That would be fantastic, actually

You have no idea how many times my whole group ends up with the same key in a week from the vault XD

[dull cloak]

there is always something that needs to be improved

[drifting cloud]

Im 10/10m

and I have 7 items from vault

equipped

thats pretty fucking good

[stoic needle]

Congratulations

Not everyone else is 10/10m

[shy dust]

Yes and you only need to kill 3 M bosses

For another piece from raid

[stoic needle]

Good luck killing 3 m bosses when your guild is extending

[shy dust]

The vault is pretty great

So then previously

[vestal wren]

i saw a lot of memes with guilds seemingly getting the same key on all players

[shy dust]

You had raid loot?

[stoic needle]

No I didn't

[dull cloak]

im 9/10, i only got 2 piece of loot from raid and m+, everything else us vault and pvp

[drifting cloud]

actually its 8, 9 if you count valor phial

[stoic needle]

I joined after they started extending

[drifting cloud]

but hey clearly thats not good enough

[shy dust]

Again

That’s ok you

On*

That’s not the system

That’s you

[vestal wren]

i agree ember, there is no perfect system. But thats great because it should lead to improvement in the long term

[gray fjord]

It's honestly no joke, 9 times out of 10, 3 or 4 of us will get the same key every week, it's unreal. xD

[stoic needle]

What's wrong with wanting the system to be accommodating for players in all kinds of situations

[vestal wren]

also i think that complains are low if systems are quite good

[stoic needle]

What would be wrong with a reroll token

[dull cloak]

nothing

[visual prairie]

good luck with a reroll token if you're progressing

[stoic needle]

Not everyone can just waltz into a good guild and get stacked vault slots every week

[vestal wren]

e.g. if gearing would be great people would not rly complain about it but about sth else

[dull cloak]

not sure why they took it out this exp, its a thunker

[shy dust]

People will then complain

About not having BiS stats

[thorny pond]

If gear game too easy people would be bored and bitch. When it's too hard, people bitch. There has never been a system at the time people liked

[vestal wren]

i think they would actually complain about the balancing team

[shy dust]

If you join a guild that’s extending then complain about not having raid options I don’t even know what to tell you

[drifting cloud]

why cant I choose stats on my gear or get a reroll token for them

[dull cloak]

actually there will be people complaining loot is too ez