assassination

[slow marsh]

not really

Only a couple things snapshot now

[shell cloak]

oh nah, but by the time you BF open up and stun/interupt/gouge are used the packs are or should be dead 😛

[wide elbow]

what things ? 🙂

[viral vigil]

So quick question.. I'm reading the warcraft logs stuff to see what rogues are running rn on Denny since we're still progressing on that boss. Why is it like a 50% split on people running EP or Blindside

[odd hazel]

i'm assuming just not switching talents or echo damage

[shell cloak]

if/when do you guys use Zoldycks at all? now or back on progress or depending on setup etc

[stoic needle]

i'm pretty sure 12% agi > 20% crit

[main forge]

what is the 12% agi that everyone is talking about?

[stoic needle]

At any moment during combat, there is a low chance your Doubt will manifest for 10 sec. Directly facing your Doubt will overcome it, granting 12% <Primary Stat> and Stamina for 15 sec.

pelagos trait

[lofty shell]

some weird ass positional requirement tho

"directly facing" or am i just pushing it here? 😛

[soft shale]

heirmir is way more busted

unless they change things more

[stoic needle]

i think you jsut have to look at it once

[limber swallow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stoic needle]

it's BIS for M+ and sire denathrius and good for any kind of aoe fight

or just progress in general

[shell cloak]

cheers 🙂 i thought it seemed powerful just never saw anybody using, must be switched out 🙂

[stoic needle]

yeah people run doomblade or dashing scoundrel on fights where execute isn't needed as much

just speculating but there seem to be a few fights in the next raid that might be good for zoldyck

[strange python]

Is necro looking like the pick for next patch?

[shell cloak]

awesome, i don't even have r1 yet. since i came back to WoW i got MA for pvp, then Celerity as i was told Sub is trash, then Rotten for memeing people for a week or so, then just Doomblade and upgraded because it seems the only spec that isn't gimmicky 😛

@wintry rock very early days, wouldn't respec in case of tuning to go 🙂

[strange python]

But just as it is now?

First night in here since ptr

[stoic needle]

it's too early to say

[strange python]

Cool ty

[dawn ivy]

idk if my brain can handle farming anima for a sixth time

[stoic needle]

just don't farm anima?

[dawn ivy]

but im stupid and dont have that ability to just stop

[round harbor]

Then just stop

[daring parrot]

what's the best option to sim talents in SLG? what fightstyle+numberofbosses+fight lenght (is mythic progression first time :p) thanks in advance

[main forge]

if they had all these anima faucets that they turned on the last two months... on since the start, it wouldn't be too bad. Also the mission table and other things taking anima is just outrageous

[round harbor]

Best to not sim for slg this late

[stoic needle]

the mission table is a net gain of anima if you don't spend anima on healing your followers

[round harbor]

Just look at what everyone else is doing, and do that

[stoic needle]

that's how i've gotten 90% of my anima

[round harbor]

Plenty of logs to see what is effective

[main forge]

I spend a lot of anima on the bags and everything else trying to get exp for companions... 50 anima a pop is a lot especially since I have been doing that since the start.

[somber hill]

on sire M do ppl just rup both cabalists and then rup gar both sire and remornia?

or is it not worth to rup cabalists?

or just 1?

[stoic needle]

i do all of the xp missions, the augment rune missions, the anima missions and one or two of the meat or fish bag missions every once in a while and still come out net ahead in anima

but tbh those bag missions really aren't worth it

[main forge]

I pretty much just get those or armor/weapon tokens anymore tbh

[stoic needle]

i never do the armor ones

[main forge]

err not tokens but items

[stoic needle]

they're decent if you disenchant but i cba

[main forge]

yeah I had like 8 total between both of those every time. maybe just unlucky. only get 1-2 exp/anima missions

[strange python]

Which covenant is better for assasination now ?

[main forge]

check the pins... it varies between ST, cleave and all that stuff

[stoic needle]

Necro is the most well rounded, venthyr is the best for pure st

[strange python]

stand pvp venthyr m+ and dungen necro

is it true

[vestal chasm]

Question about the pin saying doomblade best on hands because of shoulder slg. what is slg?

[low girder]

stone legion generals

[vestal chasm]

ah thanks

[stoic needle]

Necrolord is very good in pvp too, arguably better for sin

[strange python]

Doomblade or Zoldyck Insignia Which one do I have to craft first?

[low girder]

depends what you wanna focus on. zoldyck for m+, doomblade for raid

[vestal chasm]

Are those shoulders just easier to get than hands or what?

[drifting cloud]

higher ilvl

[vestal chasm]

got it. thanks

[heavy trail]

had such a weird pug m+ just now. I said hello, and joined the group 20 minutes later or so the dungeon was over and one had said a single thing. Pretty good run too. Was creepy.

[azure carbon]

What is the most efficient way to use Ambush? Does it always take priority over Mutilate, or only when you wont cap on energy? I am Venthyr and have like 850 haste so lots of times I feel like using Ambush makes me cap on energy.

[dawn ivy]

only use ambush when you have a blindside proc

i dont think there are any other relevant situations where youd use ambush

[azure carbon]

Yes, but if you have a Blindside proc, and you will cap on energy if you use Ambush instead of Mutilate... do you use ambush or mutilate? i've been using ambush because it has more Damage per press, but like... is it right to let yourself cap on energy?

[dawn ivy]

a blindside proc>mutilate always

[azure carbon]

Even in the middle of Lust when you are hard capping on energy?

Because like Mutilate will get you more CP than Ambush and then you get more Envenoms.

You know what i mean?

[uneven hamlet]

You always use the proc, cause when u mut again it can proc it again

You only won't use the proc on ma window cause ambush don't crit to 4 and mut does

[drifting cloud]

you use the proc in ma aswell.

[fringe dust]

wait seriously we're running Shadowgrasp Totem ST PVE?

[shy dust]

Define running

If it’s your best st simming trinket

Yes

It’s a strong trinkrt

[desert jungle]

Hey guys, best legendary for m+? Sorry pretty sure you’re tiered of this question being asked

[shy dust]

It’s a strong trinket yes

[fringe dust]

Im just so happy - i had taken it as a 226 meme way back when and was salty about it. i just rechecked trinks and am ecstatic for the first time ever lol

[stoic needle]

zoldyck

[desert jungle]

Not master assassin?

and thanks for the response

[stoic needle]

they are similar in overall output but i think zoldyck gives a better damage profile

[desert jungle]

Ok thanks

[delicate trench]

whats the best way to open in aoe ?

[reef axle]

sin not as bad on slg as i thought it would be, when cleave is covered, we do really good st where its needed

[shy dust]

It’s just that st is usually not really relevant for slg

[stoic needle]

With subterfuge: triple garotte > fok ct

With ns MfD ma: MfD ct > fok > rup > fok > rup

[copper lotus]

so, i have r3 zoldyck crafted

the idea rn is to use outlaw for m+ and assassi boi for raid

ST fights

buuut

i know doomblade sims better

i have enough soul ash to get another r3, and i'm having trouble deciding between an outlaw lego or doomblade, does anyone have any recommendations

[obtuse ruin]

can CT apply poisons?

[stoic needle]

Yes, and it's a 100% chance if used from stealth

[stoic needle]

Depends on how much you raid and how much you do m+ and what outlaw legendaries you have already

[copper lotus]

i only have zoldyck

[zealous ridge]

So just to be clear our opener is like stealth> garrote>mutilate>slice and dice>then mutilate, flag, rupture, then just mutilate shiv and envenom spam?

wanna make srue i'm doing it right because like

i start to get energy starved when i use flag

[copper lotus]

i'll probably do quite a bit of m+, and i will be doing heroic on this guy until next tier unless this ends up taking my fire mage's spot in raid

[stoic needle]

You should be using the ma talent for st in which case it's mut > slice > mut > gar > vend > flag > rup

[stoic needle]

I'd craft MA then for outlaw m+, you don't need doomblade for heroic

[copper lotus]

MA is for sub pvp too, right?

kinda helps there as well if i ever want to do that

[stoic needle]

Yeah for a while til it gets nerfed

[copper lotus]

wasn't MA for outlaw only for er

whats it called

NW

because of the weapon

[stoic needle]

It's the best legendary for every dungeon

[jovial horizon]

ma + KS is sweet

[copper lotus]

ks?

[stoic needle]

Except during spiteful week in which case you may want celerity or ds

[jovial horizon]

killing spree

[copper lotus]

ah

but thats more of a one off thing since spiteful is only around once every few weeks

[stoic needle]

Yep

[copper lotus]

cool beans

[stoic needle]

nd you can still use ma for spiteful you'll just do less damage

[copper lotus]

outlaw becomes better at 3+ target cleave, right?

[stoic needle]

It's either 3 or 4 I can't remember

[zealous ridge]

MA talent?

[stoic needle]

Sin is king at 1-2 for sure

[zealous ridge]

sorry notl ogged into wow right now and still new to assass so like

[stoic needle]

Master assassin talent

[zealous ridge]

all the acronymns are blagh

[daring brook]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3pkQSX8JXa2LUYCSZCHRDx

sim saying to use deeper strat and master assassin

what yall think

[zealous ridge]

I run subterfuge bc of m+

is MA better to run??

[stoic needle]

I think you should trust the sim

[zealous ridge]

Also you mean the opener when using MA is stealth> mutilate instead of ambush?

[stoic needle]

Oh, well you didn't specify aoe or st

[zealous ridge]

yeah sorry it's like

using our aoe set up

so 2 2 1 2 2 2 3

[stoic needle]

@zealous ridge this is the aoe opener

[zealous ridge]

oh god

so many acronyms

LMAO

what is ns mfd ma

[stoic needle]

You don't put up slice and dice until 4 or less targets are left alive, ideally you refresh it with some cp from the previous pull

Nightstalker marked for death master assassin legendary

It's a specific build

[zealous ridge]

OH hol up

[stoic needle]

Fok is fan of knives, ct is crimson tempest

[zealous ridge]

you dont use slice and dice on aoe pulls???

[stoic needle]

Not until 4 or less targets

[zealous ridge]

i normally do the trile garotte

WOw

[daring brook]

isn't sin kinda bad in M+?

[zealous ridge]

The more you know

[stoic needle]

No it's not bad in m+

It does roughly equal damage to outlaw when played properly

With a little bit less utility

But yeah you want to try to refresh SnD with leftover CP before opening again

And not use it in combat

[zealous ridge]

Only envenom extends it tho right?

[stoic needle]

You can refresh it with an envenoms if you need to

[rocky void]

check ryfie, dude is 2850 sin/sub pusher

[zealous ridge]

Or yo justmean like

literally on teh way to the next pack

SnD > stealth > aoe opener

with leftover CP

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[daring brook]

well sounds like i have no fucking clue what i'm doing

cuz i can't do aoe at all

lmao

[zealous ridge]

so never end a pack with a combo spender?

[stoic needle]

You can, but ideally it should be SnD

[zealous ridge]

heard

[stoic needle]

Keeping SnD up > that last envenom

[zealous ridge]

So my question goes back to like

with the subterfuge talent set up for m+

when it comes to bosses

with the rotation i listed i run out of energy fast

[stoic needle]

You're not bleeding things enough, get used to tab targeting and garotting/rupturing

[daring brook]

that's what i been doing

how many cp you want

[stoic needle]

Also, you don't need to do full 4/5cp ruptures

[daring brook]

per rupture

[zealous ridge]

refreshing CT is > putting ruptures down right

[stoic needle]

2-3 is fine to start

[daring brook]

hmm

[stoic needle]

In aoe yes

Your single target opener with subterfuge is gar mut snd, mut(or 2) flag rupture

You can vendetta after SnD to give you the energy to carry you into the rupture

[zealous ridge]

Dope

Thanks bro

[stoic needle]

[zealous ridge]

ik it says shiv on cd but like

[fallen arch]

ANd also keep CT up on ST right?

[stoic needle]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

dont we always wanna save shiv till we have the energy pooled for at LEAST 2 4-5 CP envenmon

[stoic needle]

outside of shiv

[zealous ridge]

wait wtf

we keep ct up on st???

[whole mason]

outside of shiv then yes.

[zealous ridge]

oh my god

this seems so complicated looool

[stoic needle]

yes and no. you use shiv on cooldown. if you wait to use envenom until you have more than 80% energy, you will naturally have enough energy and cp to use several envenoms in shiv. HOWEVER, getting several envenoms in shiv is not that important, and you should spend shiv time refreshing garotte and rupture if absolutely neccesary

honestly it's not that bad once you get the hang of it

dot things, press your cooldowns as soon as they come up unless everything is mostly dead

that's about it

[zealous ridge]

So after the opener you listed

like after the rupture

do i then mut till 4-5 CP

then CT

And then shiv and spam envenmon

[stoic needle]

yeah

[whole mason]

not so complicated actually, for st you are not so energetic for ct coverage

[zealous ridge]

so if shiv is off CD and ct has like 1-2 secs remaining

should we shiv and mut and put it back on

or just mut and put it back on

and save shiv for the next cp envemon spending

[whole mason]

theoretically, delay cooldown should not make you use less times which means total delay of shiv should accumulate less than 25 sec

that's why I believe that we dont have that much energy for keeping ct

[zealous ridge]

so like

upkeeping CT isnt actualyl that important?

so if i dont have shiv up and my choice is envenom or ct

i can just CT instead of envenoming there?

[whole mason]

if I dont have shiv up, my choice is to calculate if shiv's cd is long enough for me to have another 2 muts and enough pooling

[zealous ridge]

oh so like you wont ct and you'll just pull energy for when shiv is back to spam envenom

pool**

[whole mason]

it depends

for example you have 4 cp and shiv is long, you can ct and pool, if you mut and only 2 cp and shiv is soon, you need to decide wait or just env/ct

I mean, if we want, we can always ct and pool then shiv, but it would cost shiv's usage

[zealous ridge]

gotcha

thanks

[stoic needle]

also just in case you weren't aware, you dont FOK until 4 targets

you mutilate on 3

[zealous ridge]

Yeah i saw that somewhere

[whole mason]

@languid shoal thanks for your suggestion. We finished Sire

[shy dust]

Did you mean me

[shy dust]

Also Grats on CE

[balmy condor]

You don’t look like rae to me

[shy dust]

I have evolved past the need of a name

[balmy condor]

[pallid bough]

yo

I have a PTR question

[shy dust]

I am now merely an Inscrutable quantum device

[pallid bough]

what would we run for 2nd potency conduit?

[shy dust]

Who knows and who cares

[pallid bough]

because ig all my shit is unlocked even tho I dont have the renown (for testing purposes)

[balmy condor]

Probably whatever you run now for a second conduit

[whole mason]

Oh, yes! Actually you!

[balmy condor]

Double potency exists

And people run it

So

Just That

[pallid bough]

ah

[ionic kelp]

what’s the condition for fok giving you CPs off multiple targets? critting the hit?

[shy dust]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

Seal fate

[ionic kelp]

ah ty

[gloomy fern]

Np

[shy dust]

[balmy condor]

You don’t look like raz to me

[gloomy fern]

I have also evolved

[stoic needle]

TIL that the weekly dungeon quests can be completed in a heroic

[spring tinsel]

for mythic council, is it better to put bleeds on the 2 that aren't being focused too? or just one?

[whole mason]

I changed to Mechagnome and run on red puddle. Now I wont die in Sire fight

[stoic needle]

disgusting

[balmy condor]

Can’t they be completed on normal as well?

[shy dust]

[stoic needle]

i have no idea, i havent done a normal since the first week of the expansion

[balmy condor]

The quest is just “go do the thing”

[shy dust]

@whole mason

@ oshosi and hit him with the

[stoic needle]

spamming heroics for renown is so chill

[shy dust]

CE check

[stoic needle]

[shy dust]

For doubting the mechagnome

And the ALLIANCE

[stoic needle]

imagine being a mechanical diaper baby

[shy dust]

Log check

[stoic needle]

you can talk about logs all you want but if you're a mechagnome you're ugly

and that's all that matters

[shy dust]

👀

[mossy topaz]

all my homies hate mechagnomes

[whole mason]

The emergency failsafe actually can heal 2 incoming damage instances of blood price, which makes the ugly worthy

[stoic needle]

id rather die and do less dps than be a mechagnome

[whole mason]

In my guild, all battlerez are used for other noobs. So if I die in P3, it makes it uglier...

[rustic heath]

Should I be holding flag for vendetta?

[stoic needle]

it's a better recommendation to use it on cd

it's hard to know whether or not you will miss a cast by holding unless it's a very scripted fight and you know that the timers won't deviate

like sludgefist

[whole mason]

maybe you're right. It is quite arguable in my belief tho.

[stoic needle]

i think if you're asking that question, you aren't in a raiding environment where kill timers will be predictable enough for you to hold casts without risking losing dps

[lucid elm]

Hey, new to rogue. If i want to do both raid and m+, what seems to be the best covenants? Changing between Assa and Outlaw seems best, but looks like they use different covenants sadly.

[shy dust]

Necro is 2nd best for raid and BiS for m+

I’d recommend necro if you want a well rounded choice

[heady kayak]

Just don't go kyrian and you should be fine imho

[sinful flicker]

so i have a very similar questions
this is my what im currently working with
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fakYjhGgZ39HQsa2iSHSBS
sitting at 28% crit, 21% haste 18% mastery, 8.65% vers
i been using venthyr since ive been raiding but now that my guild is taking a break and im pushing m+, do you think i should switch or should i wait till i have more mastery

[viral vigil]

Me sitting here waiting for Theorycrafting updates so I can be smart and know the future of Rogue for my PvP life. Or if im switching to Shadow for PvE

[solid mica]

anyone know if grim codex's AoE hit's each mob for 1k or 1k total split?

[stoic needle]

mastery doesn't change the effectiveness of any covenant tbh

if you're pushing M+ swap to necro for sure

i mean sbs scales with mastery but it also scales with crit, vers, haste, etc

you should craft zoldyck tho

my m+ set is up to 34% mastery

[sinful flicker]

i do have zold. i use DB on tyrannical weeks

i know. the gear is off, but its cause i wanted my highest sim

would Zold be good for even tyrannical week?

[fallen arch]

Why not? Execute dps on bosses and pacs die quicker

[sinful flicker]

reason being, my guildies have always told me to go single target. they can be wrong, but i just take their word for it

[fallen arch]

My experience is that the last 30% on tyr bosses goes so slow because most classes have run out of steam by then

[lean rover]

30% of a bigger hp pool is still very valuable

[stoic needle]

Usually your guildies are wrong

[fallen arch]

And that’s where your extra value is

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is good for all weeks and all affixes

[sinful flicker]

i understand you guys and ill probably be switching

ive been in raiding mental

so. single target pump pump lol

[stoic needle]

Doomblade is only good for theater of pain, plaguefall and sd

Since the last boss of sd doesn't execute

[sinful flicker]

ok here comes the really important question

so when i switched to vent. i changed my name to sapula. for count sapula

should i change my name back now that i cant be count sapula?

[fallen arch]

Lel

Ofc

Find a cool baron name

For necro 😂

[ornate lake]

Why is necro new fotm now btw?

[sinful flicker]

( on the real though, i appreciate all the feedback and im going to take all of that in)

[fallen arch]

It isn’t just for high m+

• a comma

[stoic needle]

With the new sbs optimizations necro is within 1% of venthyr for st

[ornate lake]

Necro was 150 dps behind venthyr in st when 905 landed

Oh new sbs optimizations?

[sinful flicker]

oh. another like, legit question. should i switch this week since im pushing or should i wait till next week when im not pushing

[stoic needle]

Yeah you save sbs charges for the marrowed gemstones proc

May as well switch now

[ornate lake]

So you guys are telling me I have to get bloody 4th time 40 renown!?

[stoic needle]

You can get emeni at least up and running pretty quickly

[balmy condor]

You never had to do anything

[stoic needle]

I mean you don't have to switch

Necrolord is just more well rounded

[ornate lake]

Is the marrowed gemstone proc already live or 9.1?

[sinful flicker]

yea i know. i want to min max stuff now

[stoic needle]

It's live

[balmy condor]

Rogue covenants are all very close

So if you’re complaining that you have to farm more renown

[stoic needle]

If you're doing m+ necrolord is very nice. That's why I switched

[balmy condor]

You’re literally doing it to yourself

[ornate lake]

Yeah fair enough.

[sinful flicker]

oh im not complaining. im just asking if i should wait to switch or not

[ornate lake]

Nah I was haha

[sinful flicker]

oh oh. sorry sorry

[balmy condor]

We don’t know what 9.1 will bring

[stoic needle]

Yeah like I said, switch now so you can get renown while running push keys

[balmy condor]

But there’s always a chance we’ll go to insert covenant here

[ornate lake]

Yeah but having everything on 40 ain't that bad I guess

[sinful flicker]

^ lol i have vent and NF on 40

[balmy condor]

I have venthyr necro and fae at 40

[stoic needle]

You'll be sightly less effective without maxed out emeni or heirmir but most of the power is from sbs

[sinful flicker]

im going to spend one last night with count sapula

and my 226 lashing scars lol

[stoic needle]

Come be stinky 🤢

[sinful flicker]

i can finally fit in with my guild DK's

bubble gang

[stoic needle]

Sbs is actually engaging

[sinful flicker]

yea.. thats lowkey why i even considered switching

[iron orchid]

Council with SBS

[sinful flicker]

dont get me wrong, the haste and everything is great for venthyr and ill miss it dearly

[iron orchid]

[stoic needle]

And here I thought that fight couldn't become even more of a cluster

[magic oxide]

Yah sepsis is whack. I just use it for the 400 mastery for vendetta window.

[gloomy fern]

unlucky @limber lion getting over thrown by murican at sire, think u lose the shiny gold when daily wcl updates ranks

[magic oxide]

Or however mucha mastery it gives

[stoic needle]

Sbs is dope because it hits like a truck and basically gives you MfD without talenting into it

[magic oxide]

Wait a minute. Im listening

[stoic needle]

Not quite as many cp as MfD but it fills the same purpose and does hella damage too

[iron orchid]

Seeing you praise sbs is soooo fun, you were always trashing my choice to go necro a few weeks earlier 😂

[stoic needle]

Only because they're ugly

[iron orchid]

Prepare for da fly mount

[stoic needle]

I knew necro was good but I still refuse to use that mount

Nooooooooo

[magic oxide]

The mount is sick. The tmog is ugly af

[stoic needle]

I hate them both

[jovial horizon]

sbs is super fun

[stoic needle]

Honestly if venthyr outlaw wasn't so bad I may have stayed venthyr

[jovial horizon]

felt overwhelming at first

but it's second nature for me now

[magic oxide]

Hmm

[subtle tundra]

im necro and i hate every moment of it

[stoic needle]

I like fleshcraft and sbs and the soulbinds but the rest of it can kick rocks

[magic oxide]

Ive been nf since the start. And while sepsis is lame and boring its easy. But sin is so zzzz so maybe sbs will make it more engaging

I'll prolly switch 2morrow. Im a big fan of outlaw too though. Does sbs and outlaw play nice? Someone said outlaw and venthy sucks ass earlier

[subtle tundra]

i want sepsis to do anything in aoe

its dead ability

[jovial horizon]

I play necro outlaw in keys and like it a lot

[lean rover]

you save charges and dump them during the marrowed buff window ?

simple as that ?

[hazy crater]

on single target yes

[magic oxide]

Doesnt venthyr just give u giga haste?

[sinful flicker]

loads

[magic oxide]

That sounds fun too actualy

And i do like the tmog

Im going to miss soulshape ngl

[sinful flicker]

soulshape is pretty fun. i got the dragon one for Sire the week i was going to switch

[lean coral]

the soulbind stuff for next patch is dope too

after the giga haste from nadja we get 20% crit or vers for 10 seconds

depending on whats higher

[sinful flicker]

the one for bonesmith heirmir looks so fun too

[lean coral]

Fatal Flaw When the Haste effect of Euphoria ends, gain 10 sec sec of either 20% increased critical strike chance or Versatility, whichever you currently have more of.

[sinful flicker]

Carver's Eye Damaging an enemy above 90% health grants you 199 Mastery for 5 sec, up to 5 stacks. You cannot gain this benefit from the same target for 10 sec.

fan of knives in a pack and you gain close to 1k mastery

[grand echo]

I like venthyr, would also like to try out necro but no way I'm changing again and I doubt I'd personally find SBS pleasant in a long run. Flag keeping it nice and simple

[magic oxide]

Im prolly changing to venthyr 2morrow. I kinda really want the mog ngl

[lean coral]

it is dope

get a sick gargoyle mount next patch too

[magic oxide]

Also giga haste sounds nice.

I played arms warrior in corruption era so i miss giga haste

[strange python]

[stable moss]

Do we use sbs as a builder in single target?

Hits pretty hard

[fallow otter]

Imagine not playing win at this time

It's peak

[strange python]

im liking sbs az lot tbh

more than flag

[lucid frigate]

Should I start playing assa in raid/m+ with low haste (6ish %) or just stick to the other specs until I get good gear? I'm coming back to rogue but got it geared for sub (around 210ilvl)

[arctic cloud]

just play venthyr and everything will be fine 🙂

[lucid frigate]

Yeah, I'm planning to reroll from kyrian today but is it really ok with that amount of haste?

[arctic cloud]

i have 8% haste and im doing fine, not to say that im perfect by a long shot i just roll off sims

[lucid frigate]

Ok, thanks

Oh, didn't read pins, dum me

[north basin]

how much time it will take to get mount from corridors with 220+ geared assa?

[fallow otter]

Good run will take an hour avg, and you do that 8 times

[north basin]

can u just past through in stealth?

most of the mobs

[icy haven]

well for twisting you actually wanna get decent powers

[fallow otter]

Yeh, you want to get buffed as fuck 👍

[north basin]

and whats the most valuable powers for twisted? same as regular 8 layers ash farm ?

[dawn ivy]

if you dont prioritize more healing/hp powers, you will probably want to be getting SOME sooner rather than later

layer 8 floors 15+ start to really do a number on you

[north basin]

ok

[vague scroll]

how long does it take to get full renown after changing covenants?

and do you think its worth it just to swap to necrolord for council progress and swap back at sludgefist?

[dawn ivy]

not worth

if you SWEAT you can get all the useful soulbinds in like a day and a half

but swapping for a single boss is seriously not worth let alone swapping back immediately

[vague scroll]

thanks 🙂

[wispy iris]

for M+/AoE the stat prio still the same right

[strange python]

i got from 1 to 31 yesterday

but it was a bit painful

[limber lion]

It's a bit different than in ST but it doesn't really matter.

[desert jungle]

Is venthyr that much better that necro?

[vague scroll]

single target, yes

[desert jungle]

Trying to see if I want to stay necro or go vynther

[native belfry]

it depends on how you determine "much" 😄

[desert jungle]

My baby rogue had about 3% st difference

[native belfry]

It's not that much honestly

[desert jungle]

I figured my numbers are not true because it’s such a fresh toon

[strange python]

theres about a 50 dps difference

between necro and venthyr for me

[native belfry]

and a 150 dps for a minmaxed chara in the pinned

[strange python]

yeah idk works well for my stats

i have a lot of haste

7030-7080

[desert jungle]

Man that’s nothing

I wanted necro to give me the option of outlaw in m+

[vague scroll]

how tho?

[strange python]

3 callings lfr normal heroic and a couple of mythic bosses and the campaign a few heroics and all callings

[vague scroll]

aight ty 😄

[desert jungle]

I’m at 10 from about 3 hours of being 60

[compact pumice]

People swap to Venthyr for 200dps ST and people swap to Necro for 300+ DPS on multi target so. If that's much or little to you either way. And also this is on sims. And everyone's gear will sim different in this regard

[vestal wren]

necro is the best all around

venthyr is the best pure st

[eternal finch]

so even if some1 would play assasin/outlaw in purely m+ necro is best around ?

[vestal wren]

so its a decision based on what you want/need

necro is best for m+

[eternal finch]

I am thinking on updating my rogue since I havent played him much

I like idea of assasination for tyranical weeks for higher keys

even tho I presume outlaw would be better overall pick for m+ right ?

[vestal wren]

yes

outlaw is better in m+, assassination after the massive buffs is quite good too now

[surreal halo]

Obviously none of this is taking into account that necro is a lot harder to play optimally than venthyr.

[eternal finch]

I have played with couple rogues that dominated in tyranical weeks so I wanted to have a little change, or at least another viable playstyle

[vestal wren]

none of this is taing 9.1 changes into account

[eternal finch]

ye I am not talking about 9.1

[vestal wren]

as they can easy shift the balance between covenants

[eternal finch]

patch will be in best case scenario in 9 weeks

so still very far from it now

[vestal wren]

necro is possibly more effort because you need to actively play sbs

9.1 will take a while, so i agree

[eternal finch]

sbs ?

[sick scarab]

serrated bone spike

[eternal finch]

ahh ye, my bad

[sick scarab]

i am a beliver of night fae 3xpotency naya in 9.1

[vestal wren]

only looking at potency slots, venthyr has a advantage in 9.1

[eternal finch]

nadjia looks pretty good with those new nodes tbh

[vestal wren]

but we also have new offensive soulbinds, they will also impact this

[sick scarab]

yep but i hope they will fix some conduit like scars is for venthir

i mean sepsis conduit is terribad

(i prefer fae playstile over ventihr i like sepsis)

[vestal wren]

its not that one covenant conduit is bad

[sick scarab]

it is not bad but it is not impactfull as it should be

i mean it drop fro sire.. like scars...

[vestal wren]

its that the venthyr conduit adds a conduit to your potency list thats stronger than anything else (unless you play outlaw)

so it basically competes with your 3rd best conduit

[sick scarab]

i am looking at 3x potency conduit wiht the interrupt , bored of random burrs

[vestal wren]

if you use 2 potency slots possibly 2nd best

still it just means you get free damage just from picking the covenant

conduits potentially scale higher up in 9.1, so its possible that some of the currently used traits won't be taken

[eternal finch]

since talk here is about soulbinds, I have a question regarding one

as I prefer to have 1 soulbind for each spec, will necro allow that to some extent? I know there will be always better choices but will it make it workable to all 3 of them ?

[vestal wren]

kyrian and venthyr have very "close" soulbinds in terms of raw output

[crimson sleet]

Sure, ill play pvp with the first one, assa in raid with the 2nd and for outlaw the 3rd

[vestal wren]

for necro the diffrence seem a bit higher

so if you want one soulbind for each spec you probably want to go venthyr or kyrian

[sick scarab]

as fae i feel alonee :)O

ehehe

[eternal finch]

my rogue is currently kyrian but I am kinda bored with it, as I find Kleia kinda useless (which is prolly because I am bad and don't see her full potential)
So now I am just thinking and looking if I should switch to necro or venthyr

[crimson sleet]

Whats your main focus in the game ? Raid / pvp /m+ ?

[eternal finch]

On one side my dk main is venth so I know their soulbinds, and they look pretty good, but I am just not familiar with necro covenant and since I play mostly M+ I am leaning toward necro

[vestal wren]

having all 3 covenants for the same purpose for diffrent specs is a very niche use case

[eternal finch]

M+ def, I play some pvp from time to time especially on rogue

[sick scarab]

fuu i have a question

IQD simmin correct ?

[crimson sleet]

In my opinion necro a well rounded cov for rogue, with the first u have good pvp options for sub / assa. The 2nd is good in raid for assa (not as god as venthyr ofc) but u can play double potency and buff other meeles 5%mainstat with your bone spear.and the 3rd one is best for m+ Outlaw,( but be aware necro is slightly harder to play in m+ then the other covenants)

[vestal wren]

depends on what you mean with correct. It does not assume that you fuck up the cast

if iqd only heals your allies or refills their mana in your raid/when you use it it will not give you the value of the sim

[undone eagle]

Does it look like assa will be meta for 9.1??

[sick scarab]

i did a macro to targhet myself

[undone eagle]

For pve

[vestal wren]

there are weakauras that show you when its save to use, so if you want to go for it consider going to wago and findng one

[subtle kiln]

necro is easy. marileth pvp, emeni for prog, heirmir for parsing.

[sick scarab]

if i sim it it sim lower that memory of past sins 226 (i have iqd 220) so.. dunno

[vestal wren]

assassination is currently the highest (over) tuned melee dps spec. Also blizz nerfed some of the ranged specs that would beat it. What means its currently in a good position

[undone eagle]

I really hope assa > outlaw in m+

[vestal wren]

pls always sim it in both trinket slots

[undone eagle]

So freaking annoying ”im a meta slave sry”

[vestal wren]

assa won't beat outlaw in m+

[eternal finch]

@crimson sleet what you just said is what I was looking for 😄 I looked at their soublinds and did a bit of research but I wasn't quite sure. Necro looks all around very viable spec (not best in all cases) but very good in aspect that I play mostly which is m+. I also do not mind having a bit more complex playstyle. It is a challenge that I an always strive and improve

[vestal wren]

but assa is quite good atm in m+ if you play necro

so still a strong pick

[sick scarab]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fPAwESmUCJMhqQptCPTJGy

[undone eagle]

Assa necro>venthyr in m+??

[crimson sleet]

@eternal finch im glad i that it helps u

[eternal finch]

So I should just spend my anima on HS toys before I switch covenant?

[vestal wren]

means its not better for your currenwqt
WSQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

sry cat

[eternal finch]

xD

[vestal wren]

*for your current gear

[crimson sleet]

[sick scarab]

k k so i stik to Memory

[eternal finch]

reprimand that feline renegade with couple of fast pets, that will show him!

[undone eagle]

@vestal wren so basically assa works pretty fine in m+ up to 23+ i guess

And raids they are 1# of the 3 specs

Right?

[vestal wren]

its def. #1 in raids

[undone eagle]

Thank lord

[vestal wren]

and you can bring it to high keys

[undone eagle]

I cba playing outlaw, i find it not my type compred to assa/sub

Compared*

Fuu so basically

I get denied in m+ cuz people prefer outlaw in pugs i guess

Becuz meta slaves

[sick scarab]

yep

[undone eagle]

Or that they dont prefer rogues for some weeks

[sick scarab]

metaslaves that doesnt have a clue

[undone eagle]

Rather monks etc

[vestal wren]

i mean

[undone eagle]

Exactly @sick scarab

[vestal wren]

if you play a non meta spec on purpose

don't complain if people deny you in pugs

[undone eagle]

I did all 19’s and i queued to 19 and he was like

Sry im meta slave

[eternal finch]

well that comes with playing non meta spec

[undone eagle]

Ngl i got kinda toxic 🤣 do people even check website

[sick scarab]

i play this game since beta usa

[undone eagle]

Fuu

[vestal wren]

pugs are not about what works, they will make the assumed best choice

[sick scarab]

and i can say that meta is the worst thing

[undone eagle]

If assa was bad in raids then ofc i go outlaw

[sick scarab]

and i really thing all can work

[undone eagle]

I dont wanna jump here and there depending what i wanna do

[vagrant bison]

Change the spec when they start the pull timer 😂

[undone eagle]

Raid / m+

XD

[sick scarab]

ofc wiht genius blizzard pugs LGF all go to trash

[vestal wren]

and outlaw > assa in reguards of public opinion. If you want to get into pugs easier, play outlaw

[undone eagle]

Thats how i used to do

I queue as outlaw

[sick scarab]

ahaha

[undone eagle]

🤣

[sick scarab]

cheater!! 🙂

[undone eagle]

Then went assa

And still good dps

Just wanted to prove

[sick scarab]

you can even do more

tbh

[undone eagle]

Ofc if ur good at timing ur stuff and maintain 😄

[sullen pagoda]

good jokes in here

[vestal wren]

i mean some groups will just remove you from the group if they see that you are in the wrong spec

[undone eagle]

Thats how i feel about outlaw, if u fail / miss ur blade furry u lose dps like hell or reroll for better bonus

[vagrant bison]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/831984434445811752/Untitled.png

Happened to me yesterday when j was pushing my key

Feels bad when someone assumes you wanna kick him cause he plays feral

[vestal wren]

its not unusual

[undone eagle]

I mean

[compact pumice]

I mean if you were specifically looking for a boomie for some reason then you would kick right?

[vestal wren]

a lot of people want you to play meta specs, and if you don't want to they will not take you

[vagrant bison]

No

[undone eagle]

It shouldnt be a problem below 20 + keyd, people are just trusting the meta

[vagrant bison]

It was a 14

Who cares

[undone eagle]

LOL

U can go worst spec and time it

With 14

[sullen pagoda]

@compact pumice nah mate its just about the numbers duh he can pull the same numbers

guy calls for beam or gouge

sorry mate i respecced

[undone eagle]

Fuu what do you play?

[vestal wren]

I don't think thta queuing up as outlaw and then switching in assassination is good practice tho

[undone eagle]

In m+

[vestal wren]

i play sub

[undone eagle]

Nah i did it once

[vestal wren]

but i don't pug

[vagrant bison]

Nah guys, it was a joke

😂

[undone eagle]

What keys u manage to hit with sub with ur team?

[dark crag]

Had a tank ask a druid how he did good dps staying in catform after a +14 intime. The tank didn't know feral is a spec

[vestal wren]

i don't push so we only doing 14-16

[compact pumice]

Well exactly... Like you want a boomie for trees and solar beam and you get a feral for, eh whatever feral brings. Like it might not matter for a 14 but who even discusses 14s though

[undone eagle]

Since i got into horde im looking for a guild and a good m+ team

[viral meadow]

how is sin looking for PI?

is it worth with zoldycks in exe?

or are other classes still better

[vestal wren]

there is nothing outside of a higher r.io score as a reward for pushing

and r.io score is mostly relevant if you pug, a guild group does not care about it

[wheat whale]

So does Exsanguinite work together with SBS?

[eternal finch]

ye tho that depends on your play habits

[compact pumice]

Maybe in 9.1 with the new M+ rating 🤞

[eternal finch]

if you play when you can sometimes you can't play with guildies/team

that is when high rio comes in handy

[vestal wren]

the new 9.1 rating is just a r.io score in game

it eliminates the need of a 3rd party addon

[compact pumice]

Even though I usually always play with a guild group, the R.IO is something to aim at and compete with yourself to improve it.

[eternal finch]

ye I presumed that as much

[undone eagle]

Its mostly about flexing or getting easy chance in pugs, especially for new seasons etc

[eternal finch]

tho that does not mean they cant play around it

[vestal wren]

its not

people always think as r.io as a skill metric

[undone eagle]

Rio is just based on high you can test yourself with ur team

[vestal wren]

in reality you just sit there and wait for weeks with insanely easy affixes to finish higher dungeons

[compact pumice]

But will probably come with a number of achievements and in the future might be tied to improving gear to cap (like 226 now)

[eternal finch]

that is really not true

[sullen pagoda]

I mean even with easy affixes high keys are challenging

[undone eagle]

Above 15 yes

[vestal wren]

if improving yourself would be the point, people would see every week equally relevant

[eternal finch]

because majority of people do not have teams to play with

[compact pumice]

Ofc it is. I see it as such. It's fun to increase the number, nothing more nothing less

[vestal wren]

and "push weeks" wouldn't exist

[undone eagle]

Well i mentioned it if u scrill up Nanco

I said also to flex or join pugs easier

Scroll*

[eternal finch]

ahh ye that is very true, I totally agree there

[compact pumice]

"Push weeks" are just easier to time higher keys. But if people don't play at all during other weeks then it wouldn't be a problem. We still try to push keys in tyranical etc. It's just harder.

[undone eagle]

But if u just wanna get max gear

It doesnt matter

Just get 1300~ rio lul

For pugs

[vestal wren]

i mean its very easy for you to prove if you are honest to yourself

[undone eagle]

Or i dont remember

[sick scarab]

ah this week si spiteful very very nice

[eternal finch]

tbh I got majority of my highest keys on non push weeks as that is only time I can get slot as BDK xD

[vestal wren]

just look at your r.io profile and look how many keys you finished on the worse key weeks vs. the best

[sick scarab]

i wanna spitefull wiht tornadoes lololo

[vestal wren]

if its not about the same, you play to improve the rating

[compact pumice]

Not for assass though 😦 Outlaw is a lot easier since you don't really care that much about constant restealths

[quiet valley]

Doesnt mean you cant push yourself and improve on other weeks

[undone eagle]

For hard weeks is more about big brain moves etc

[sick scarab]

joking i hate those fucking 2 things

[vestal wren]

absolutely

[wheat whale]

Guys?
Does Exsanguinate work with Serrated Bone Spike?

[vestal wren]

the thing is, improving rating and improving your play is diffrent

[frail fossil]

u do tho

your bis m+ leg is MA, and u want cto procs

[undone eagle]

Improving in mythic raiding is something else though right

[vestal wren]

r.io is a controversial rating exactly for the mentioned reason

it encourage you to play only during certain weeks

[compact pumice]

MA loses a lot of value on higher keys I find... I've transitioned into Celerity for now.

[vestal wren]

and thats also the reason you often see people just suck in their weekly key they do on every not so good week

[compact pumice]

But maybe I'm just sceptic

[frail fossil]

it doesn't rly u dont need that much uptime on it lol

[eternal finch]

well there I do agree to some extent, but it could be solved by adjusting points and how they are awarded

[undone eagle]

Yes give us more stygis

Stygia

[eternal finch]

and I think it is all about how points are gonna be calculated

[compact pumice]

I've tried both but I dunno, feels like fights take longer and the burst during AR is really good as well.

Might try a few keys today as MA

Just to compare

[frail fossil]

ar and burst in the same sentence

[frail fossil]

and dont it's spiteful week ofc celerity is better there

[compact pumice]

But with the spiteful

[vagrant bison]

Some weeks are just frustrating,not only because of the skill required but also because they are not fun to deal with

[vestal wren]

yes, but this would make the metric hard to read.
The problem with r.io is that people love to forget about its flaws

[frail fossil]

yeap spiteful weeks lol

most unfun affix

[vagrant bison]

When you can't get a restealth or start drinking cause you are in perma combat it's just annoying

[undone eagle]

Ye

[eternal finch]

how come? End result would still be just number for instance 1234. But you would get 100 points for 10 tyranical necrotic (which should be harder than 10 fort volcanic) Numbers are arbitrary

[vestal wren]

btw. seli (whos atm streaming) is doing a 24 as assassination atm

[undone eagle]

Link pls

I wanna watch

Is he in a team or pug?

[compact pumice]

Eh, cba complaining about R.IO, its just a way to keep track of your progress. If some people only play at all during easy weeks then I still don't really care. I still play during all weeks and it's a decent tool to see who plays to push themselves compared to only doing 14-15s for the vault gear.

[frail fossil]

https://www.twitch.tv/seliathan

[undone eagle]

Cheers

[vestal wren]

pls use <> flowe

[frail fossil]

ah sorry

[undone eagle]

Oh hes necro

Worth changing Fuu?

For raid + m+ as assa

[eternal finch]

question regarding changing covenants, and anima. Does the trick with returning items still work? I have ton of anima on me

[sullen pagoda]

i mean its like 150 difference ST so its not a hard diff while much better aoe / cleave option

[vestal wren]

having a seperate r.io number for each affix combination would make it hard to read.
You would have a lot of people who have no rating on a lot of weeks or certain affix combinations.
The main plus point atm is that you can just take a number and gate people out with it, what would not be possible if its on a "per affix combination" base because you don't have enough people spamming m+

[frail fossil]

i think Necro is better, currently venthyr sims 80 dps ahead of necrolord for me and necrolord wins in any type of cleave with more than 1 target

and u can also play outlaw much better

if that's what u into

just saying it's personnal profile sim, venthyr might sim higher than 80 dps over necro

but it's not a lot

[vestal wren]

i think the best is to just go to top gear and sim the other covenants

if you are unsure

[eternal finch]

I am not explaining myself as it seems 😄 I would still keep 1 main number for rio, like 1400 for example. I am suggesting just instead of getting 100 points for tyranical necrotic (lets say this is hard) you get 108 points

[vestal wren]

because you get numbers for your gear

[frail fossil]

Ye

[undone eagle]

He doesnt use ct on st when shiv is on cd

Why not?

[vestal wren]

oh, so you mean a weighted score towards affixes

[compact pumice]

yeah I prefer this rather than checking some sims with "bis" gear. Because it might be a bigger or smaller loss/gain swapping covenant for you in particular

[frail fossil]

Because u want envenoms nature dmg amp

Since shiv only boost nature dmg

[vestal wren]

but, is pushing a lower key with harder affixes worth more, it sounds very hard to get a weighted number right

also it won't change the fact that push weeks make it easier to gain higher r.io

unless you weight it highly towards hard affix combinations

[eternal finch]

I agree that is very hard to balance 😄

[vestal wren]

this is what you look for, if you didn't find it already

[compact pumice]

A simple system is preferable to a complex and convoluted system tbh. Not really that interesting feedback to your suggestion but I prefer it being as simple and understandable as possible for everyone. I don't think you gain enough with making easy weeks weigh less in a ranking for some reason to offset the quite simple number that r.io is today.

[vestal wren]

i agree, its successful because its simple

[eternal finch]

ye you guys are prolly right about it

[vestal wren]

i don't mind r.io being a score that represents how well you are able to push in easy weeks

its a interesting discussion nanco, i think there are a lot of opinions to it

[eternal finch]

I think so too, it is a good system but it is far from being perfect

[vestal wren]

and in the end it works out somewhat

[dim temple]

Hi all... people talking neco in 9.1?

[vestal wren]

hard to say atm

the new soulbinds do sound... not balanced yet

[dim temple]

ok... 🙂

[vestal wren]

and 9.1 is possibly months away, so better to wait

venthyr and necro are the 2 popular choices atm on live

[compact pumice]

NF still has one of the biggest following still, mainly due to it being in all the guides since launch.

[vestal wren]

NF is still good

[compact pumice]

I think it's equal to Venthyr for assassination in population, and the biggest for the other specs.

[vestal wren]

venthyr and necro just got buffed

nf also still has first strike, thats to my suprise not played a lot/at all

[dim temple]

I was looking at youtube and that irsh guy was talk about neco be so good in 9.1

[sullen pagoda]

other classes that NF is best for play it @vestal wren

[vestal wren]

its probably the old rogue issue of people simply dissliking something ^^

[sullen pagoda]

@dim temple youtube baiters for viewers

[vestal wren]

koji has some good arguments for necro

[dim temple]

yea thats why i always comes here 🙂

[compact pumice]

Sounds like Infexious

😄

[dim temple]

lol

[sullen pagoda]

[dim temple]

yea

[vestal wren]

its overall helpng assassination in areas its not extremely good

[sullen pagoda]

infexious nattle

[vestal wren]

while venthyr emphasizes on areas its already good at

[sick scarab]

Koryan first strike is very nice for M+

[sullen pagoda]

rogue youtubers man

[dim temple]

[sick scarab]

i am running koryan wiht katar as potency

[vestal wren]

it is insanely good, but i haven't seen anyone use it

[sick scarab]

and it is OP

i run nadya wiht dashing when trash mobs die too fast 🙂 so poison bomb crits OP and single targget damage atter more

[vestal wren]

also outlaw is moving towards necro, what means nf is not popular anymore

[wheat whale]

@frail fossil
Can u sim yourself with different covenants on raidbots without actually switching them ingame?

[lofty shell]

yes fuu just posted a screenshot of where to find it on raidbots

[lofty shell]

here

[compact pumice]

Use Top Gear yeah

[wheat whale]

Ahhh

thank you so much

[sick scarab]

this week si Koryan , poisoned katar, FTW !! 🙂

[vestal wren]

is PK even worth to use?

[wispy surge]

Are you guys enjoying necro or venthyr more?

[sick scarab]

yep

[vestal wren]

i don't think that we have a lot of people who played both

[sick scarab]

it is nice

[compact pumice]

PK is supposed to be bis for pure AOE but for a whole m+ I think it sims mediocre

[vestal wren]

It never simmed rly strong for me

[sick scarab]

going koryan + zoldick on fortified weeks is nice nice

[vestal wren]

so i thought i might miss something that makes it good

[frail fossil]

Yes fuu posted it a bit higher

[compact pumice]

Yeah it's totally useless for packs with 3 mobs or less. That's really the reason why.

[warm scarab]

Im choosing between necro and venth, since I play outlaw in m+ should I go necrosis?

[frail fossil]

Yes

Imo

[compact pumice]

I should be necro due to mainly doing keys as OL, but I'm a slave for ST parses and I don't mind being slightly suboptimal in m+ or aoe since it's not really about the numbers you bring at that point, if that was the case rogues would never get picked.

[sick scarab]

well it is a matter of choice.. fok spam lead to more cp.. i feel i can do more stuff.. but i think it is a m,atter or preference

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nnfPeaR5T7C7xsbTN6bHcA

[vestal wren]

could be relevant with HB

but HB is iirc behind other talent

[wispy surge]

Is there any point in holding soul ash till we see ss on ptr?

[sick scarab]

usable also

i tried

bit i fnd better CT..

damage is same but imo going katar give more cp that why i use that

assuming i fight more mobs togheter ofc

[eternal finch]

Do you guys suggest using SBS in mouseover macro?

[compact pumice]

Sounds good. Just make sure you have it use on target if you don't have a mouseovertarget. Otherwise I don't see any problem with it, just convenience

[eternal finch]

Ye that would be my call as well, have still on target component if there is no mouse over target that is viable

[compact pumice]

For interest I checked how it would be for venthyr (since I'm venthyr) and I get LP as highest:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fj269Fmr4TvzVX7UfphWoC

[sick scarab]

well 0.2%

and katar give more cp.. so imho is the choice

[compact pumice]

LP works on ST and on packs with less than 3 though so

and the CP on huge packs is not really that impactful since they usually don't last a full rupture anyway

[sick scarab]

on fortified the last

on normal no ofc i dont rn koryan usually

but numbers are same 0.2% is nothing.. so it is a matter o preference

[compact pumice]

I mean yeah, it's minor 🙂 I just showed my sims since I was interested enough to sim it and found it interesting that LP would sim higher for venthyr compared to NF in this instance

[sick scarab]

anyway give it a try 🙂

and feel how it is for you

[placid dawn]

when do we use vendetta on m+? just on cd on prio mobs?

is it even worth it to use on huge pulls like ardenweald area of dos?

[sick scarab]

yeo

yep just be sure to have it for boss 🙂

saving cd is nonsense.. just be sure to have them on bosses

[compact pumice]

It feels useless on the huge pulls I agree.

But the logical thing would be to keep it on CD as much as possible while still being up for the imporant stuff you want to have it for (bosses/pride?/some hard mob)

Tbh, try to plan it out using MDT. Choose which spots you think you "absolutely have to" have buffs up for and then plan the route with CD's in mind and then tweak as needed.

[placid dawn]

cool, thank you

[compact pumice]

The best would be to do this together with your M+ teammates and make sure that you all stagger CD's so every important pack has something.

[knotty grove]

Hey guys. I'm trying out assassination for hc raiding tonight. Should i stick til singletarget spec until slg & sire. Or is there value in playing aoe on other bosses? i've doomblade as leggo and master assis.

[fallen arch]

I'd respec to multi target for Sun King, rest ST is fine

[knotty grove]

are you playing venthyr aswell?

[fallen arch]

Yes

[lofty shell]

huntsman also worth playing with ct and stuff

[scenic meteor]

Anyone know if I mutilate when there is 2 enemies or fan of knifes ?

[dawn ivy]

4 targets or more, fan

[scenic meteor]

Ah so even 3, I mutilate

Ok

[dawn ivy]

mutilate on 1-3, ive seen whispyr mention using fan on 3 to spread poisons but only in order to do so, not as a real cp generator

[scenic meteor]

Ok thanks, also, do you only garrotte 3 targets on opener for silence or go for a fourth?

[dawn ivy]

youd have to check a guide or hopefully someone cockier than me to answer that

i dont normally use subterfuge anymore but id assume just three garrotes is a fine enough start for your energy gen

[dense blaze]

in dungeons whats your top damage typically? Mines usually garrote, but this week was rough with restealths for me because of spiteful and melee/crimson tempest beat it in one of my dungeons which I thought was very strange

[limber lion]

You use as many garrotes as possible keeping garrote on cooldown at all times.

You should have 4 garrotes running (3 empowered ones + 1 normal one) after the opener.

And trying to keep 3 Garrotes up at all times even after the subterfuge garrotes drop.

[old depot]

Any tips/tricks for mythic artificer? Dodging ghosts, escaping annihilation, etc

[quiet valley]

What cov are you?

[gloomy knoll]

garret 1 garret 2 garret 3

[limber lion]

We outrun the Annihilation with speed boosts, but it's 100% similar to heroic.

You dodge ghosts by running through the portal, waiting 2-3s in the other side of the portal and then hopping in

Or by cloaking it.

But usually you should use cloak to clear stasis traps

[low girder]

if you're lucky enough to be night fae soulshape can quite literally outrun the ghosts

it's quite OP

[quiet valley]

Never use sprint or gateway unless you have to. If u get a mechanic and can solve it without using movement abilities you should hold them for unlucky overlaps.

[subtle tundra]

you can shadowstep last second on boss while youre getting dragged if you fuck up 🙂

[quiet valley]

Keep your back away from the portal, the ghosts spawn behind you

[lean rover]

avoiding ghost is done by facing correctly before the ghost appear. They will always spawn behind you. You want to face the portal you intend to take before the ghost appears

[quiet valley]

Essentially the fight is all about making sure you can manage mechanic overlaps and back to back mechanics. Thats why you should try be cautios in ur use of movement abilities

[lean rover]

replied to the wrong message but you get the point @old depot

[old depot]

I guess my main issue is when the ghosts overlap with annihilation and seeds, you face the wall and get dragged so sometimes the ghost spawn quite close before annihilation finishes

You have to stall for seeds to explode, and by that time you're already so close to ghosts

[limber lion]

That's a timing thing mainly

[quiet valley]

Dont face the wall, face your side to the wall so the ghost spawns correctly

[limber lion]

You just need to be aware what's going to happen

And instantly jump into the portal when that overlap happens

There's some points where you jump in instantly and some points where you wait a moment-

[quiet valley]

Yeah, when u get ghost pay attention to the seed timing. If the seeds just spawned u can hop in and return before explosion but in some cases u need to wait for them to explode etc

Its also the fact that the boss is complete trash and timings/ocerlaps will vary every week depending on dps. So you basically have to adapt to what you are given

[limber lion]

Yeh but practice makes perfect even on that fight.

The more you do it, the easier you react to mechanics even if the timings are a bit off.

As long as you're not doing the fight on auto-pilot

[ruby birch]

The timings and overlaps are set in time intervals I'm p sure

Once you hit a phase, it ticks down the timer

Also generally for ghosts, face your back to the entrance of the room

Make them spawn far from the portals

Then you should be fine

Stack on the side of the boss that's farther from the portal

The only like super trash overlap is when a seed carrier gets the dot during seeds

It's actually so dumb lmao

[dawn merlin]

quick question, is it worth it to maintain dots/poison on a second Council of Blood boss?

[quiet valley]

I highly doubt that and even if thats the case he will essentially cancel timers when he pushes making stuff very off. I don’t know because i dont do seeds but basically every week feels different

[ruby birch]

No, once you push a phase he resets on the timers for that phase

[limber lion]

Yes.

[ruby birch]

So you can "skip" a mechanic

[limber lion]

Garrote/Rupture on one extra boss, nothing on the third.

[ruby birch]

That's why if your dps isn't super high, you will have one set of useless portals going from p1 to p2

[dawn merlin]

ye figured as much, confirming it for a fellow sin

cheers

[quiet valley]

I mean i will have to take your word for it maybe our pushing just changes

[old depot]

The timings are based on HP??

[ruby birch]

Maybe your dps varies by a significant amount pull by pull

[low girder]

they are now yeah

[ruby birch]

That could be it

[ruby birch]

Don't forget tho, whoever gets ghost and whoever gets the dot and portal are completely RNG

[low girder]

all his timers reset every phase though

[quiet valley]

But its not unheard of that all timers dont reset equally, say SLG progress for example

[ruby birch]

So that could be a factor of why you feel it is being changed

[low girder]

or well, they're supposed to. i haven't seen the boss since before the hotfix

[ruby birch]

I have before and after

It's the same just a bit longer time to dps him in the "no mechanics phase"

[low girder]

ah

[ruby birch]

Makes it easier for everyone to get back for list

Lust*

[quiet valley]

But what you are saying is prob true, our setup and gear just varies from week to week i guess

[ruby birch]

Are you progging on it or is it on farm?

[quiet valley]

Killed it 3 months ago

[ruby birch]

Ah then who cares

[quiet valley]

I do because we keep wiping with our seed carriers whining 😅

[ruby birch]

Just do dps and cloak the ghost and say "can't soak xd"

Oh wtf

Killed 3 months ago but wiping

[quiet valley]

I swear we had more pulls on xymox than Sire last reclear

[vague scroll]

when do we pop vendetta at sludgefist?

pull 2 and 4?

[ruby birch]

I mean the RNG can be shit with the dot and ghost

[low girder]

yes

[vague scroll]

ty

[quiet valley]

Pull, 2, 4

[ruby birch]

ESP for seed carriers

[old depot]

Sorry, when you say push, you mean hit a certain DPS point? What are the phases/ HP for each push? I was unaware of this. I thought it was all based on a timer

[ruby birch]

70 and 40 I believe

Or like 66 and 30?

I don't remember exactly

The journal should say

[old depot]

Ok I'll check again

[ruby birch]

It's somewhere in that range

[quiet valley]

I mean i can manage my shit unless stuff comes back to back too much since i soak traps with cloak. Its just the fucking seeds

[ruby birch]

Or wait am I like

On crack

Now I think it's 80/60

Is artificer 80/60?

[quiet valley]

First one is quitw high, we phase before bl is over

[ruby birch]

I think it's 80/60

You lust on pull?

[quiet valley]

Yeah

[ruby birch]

Oh wtf

Maybe we do it weird

[quiet valley]

No i think it is us lol

[ruby birch]

We lust after the second annihilation I think

I don't remember exactly which one but it's where the boss goes afk

[quiet valley]

We lusted on 3 min on prog

[ruby birch]

Oh yeah

It was around 3 min

[quiet valley]

I remember cuz i played sub and got cds back

[placid dawn]

we lusted on 3.45 XD super terrible for 2m cds

[ruby birch]

It might be 80/60 honestly

[low girder]

on heroic it's 70/40 but i'm trying to confirm for mythic somewhere lol

[ruby birch]

I just checked

It is 80/60

[quiet valley]

Just checked. Since i killed xymox first time i have wiped 54 times on 5 kills. Since i killed Sire first time i have wiped 32 times on 2 kills. I might even have missed Xymox pulls.

My hatred for pulling that boss is insane. Not much to do as well

[ruby birch]

jfc lol

that has to be abnormal

[quiet valley]

I would hope not, we cant be that bad

Sure feels like it tho

Guild is also insanely bad at playing early bosses on farm

[plain thistle]

xymox is a odd boss, we usually never call "wipe" we just keep going, some weeks we kill with more than half the raid dead

cant parse that way but who cares

[strange python]

hey can someone make the macro for flaggelation and vendetta for me?

cant seem to figure out how to

[gloomy fern]

/cast vendetta /cast flag

there u go

[strange python]

thats it lol?

thought there needed to be brackets and stuff

[gloomy fern]

vendetta is of gcd so

should work

[strange python]

no comma between the vendetta? and next forward slash

[gloomy fern]

just next row

[strange python]

oh okay

[silent dune]

/Cast Vendetta
/Cast Flaggelation

[gloomy fern]

#showtooltip
/cast vendetta
/cast flag

but spell flag right

[visual prairie]

fllagggellattionn

[spice spire]

Hey all, thinking of picking up my rogue again as an alt to help not burn out before 9.1. How well does sin do in keys? I dont have weapons for outlaw

[gilded belfry]

imo..Tyrannical on higher.. assassination is ok. Otherwise Outlaw better is most scenarios