assassination

[gusty mirage]

oh for sure

[limber lion]

Any smelly boys in the chat?

[fleet anchor]

If you cast on the pull before anyone else hits it

[hazy crater]

smelly boy all the way

[fleet anchor]

You can get a SBS up on Greshaal before he lifts off and becomes immune

It does no damage since he's immune

[gusty mirage]

Vaughn found a funny SBS interaction on SLG, when an add on SLG would die with his and Seli's bone spike on it. It would refund them each 2 charges

[polar cape]

Thats kinda big

[limber lion]

Yeah I actually noticed it as well on HC with Garrote

[fleet anchor]

But the DoT is still up for CP calculations

[limber lion]

That's kinda sick tho

[fleet anchor]

So you get +1 CP on all of P1 and P1 Intermission

[limber lion]

Literal free CP

[fleet anchor]

Which is nice

[limber lion]

Ye damn

[dull cloak]

thats 200iq play

[limber lion]

Just need to be the first to hit it

Pull it before the boomies do

[hazy crater]

does the SBS need to pull the boss

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

300 iq play is to play with another necro lord so you just get a billion charges

[polar cape]

Sbs at 5 guys

[fleet anchor]

It's a projectile so you can launch around the same time the Wraths are almost there

That's what I found anyway

[limber lion]

Ah fair enough

[gusty mirage]

I wonder if blizz will fix that

or if they already have

I don't think they intended 2 necro rogues to refund each other 2 charges when 1 add dies

lol

[fleet anchor]

Wait.. that works?

[polar cape]

Hmmmm

[rich wren]

👀

[hazy crater]

they didnt count on anyone bringing 2 rogues to raid

[fleet anchor]

Our other Rogue is Venthyr so I've literally never been in a group with another Necro Rogue so I wouldn't know

[gusty mirage]

yeah, I was watching Vaughn on SLG and everytime an add would die he'd get 2 charges back because of Seli's bone spike I think

[dull cloak]

who brings 2 rogues to raid/dungeon?

[limber lion]

BFA fanatics

[fleet anchor]

Even we're only in together on like half the fights

[gusty mirage]

MOAR rogues

[fleet anchor]

I mean I am glad Necro is competitive because I really enjoyed the Necro gameplay on beta and I think it's just really fun to play

[rich wren]

I've been trying to go back venthyr but I enjoy sbs way too much. I've got the second part of the quest up so I can loot a conduit

[fleet anchor]

I miss Night Fae though 😦

[worn path]

Lol easiest way to get out of farm clear is “I don’t need any of this loot, I don’t bring an immunity or raid CD, I’ll sit”

[limber lion]

Or more like, you miss Soulshape?

[rich wren]

I do miss fae but necro is soooo fun. I'm excited to see it in the new raid

[hazy crater]

This is why I went with Necro as well

[fleet anchor]

I will admit

I used Fleshcraft

[limber lion]

I had a hard time getting used to Door of Shadows after swapping from NF

[fleet anchor]

Literally

0 times

All of last night

[limber lion]

[fleet anchor]

I totally forgot about it ><

[rich wren]

I've used it once, we had a spooky blood price and it acutally saved me

[worn path]

This because you have to stop pressing movement keys or it cancels the cast. Hard to get used to

[fleet anchor]

I mean I should use it on like SLG phase transitions or if I'm soaking

I just totally spaced

I'll get used to it eventually

[rich wren]

reps baby

[limber lion]

Yeaaah

[fleet anchor]

Soulshape was a little more clear when to use it lol

[worn path]

If you channeled it during a roar would it stop the knock back?

[hazy crater]

I got used to using fleshcraft on denathrius P3, just cloak first price, craft second, cloak third

[halcyon zealot]

sooo 2 weeks after i swap venthyr im seeing necro stocks rising?? i love this game so much

[bold jetty]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

Soulshape is the best covenant signature ability in the game, change my mind

[rich wren]

impossible

[worn path]

Can’t argue with facts

[dull cloak]

needs more soul forms

[fleet anchor]

Venthyr still the most popular by far, but I think Necro is competitive

[rich wren]

that new emeni trait is so odd on PTR

[gusty mirage]

I can't tell my friend's they're yoo-hoo the best for 24hrs with soulshape

[compact pumice]

Well yeah in revendreth jumping off the big castles just to soulshape on the ground is actually bis and I miss it a lot.

[fleet anchor]

Hmm if only

[tardy knoll]

finally got a dagger and i want to try assasination, what lego have prio atm? doomblade right?

[fleet anchor]

The game designers had this CRAZY idea

Of like

[worn path]

At this point I’m thinking about swapping back to nf for two weeks just to get the t2 achievement to get more anima

[limber lion]

Yeaah

[gusty mirage]

if you plan on doing any m+ as assa craft zoldyk

[limber lion]

Yeah, for raids.

[fleet anchor]

Maybe you grind Renown with every faction and at certain Renown levels you unlock the Signature and Class ability to use freely

🤔

[tardy knoll]

only raids, my outlaw will be ready for that

[gusty mirage]

then yeah go doom

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

on the glovies

[tardy knoll]

thank you

[limber lion]

Don't tease me

[gusty mirage]

[rich wren]

that would be nice, though screw kyrian

[worn path]

Soul shape but red and venthyr models

[fleet anchor]

"We wouldn't want players to feel FORCED to go back to Oribos to use their brain and not be locked to arbitrary combinations, so instead we've decided to make you all sad instead"

[worn path]

We need to make impactful decisions

[gusty mirage]

Koji yell at blizzard to remove the conduit energy system

[fleet anchor]

MeANinGfUL CHoiCEs

[limber lion]

I progressed on SLG with Lashing Scars as Outlaw

Because I didn't have energy to swap on CtO

[compact pumice]

Then the natural progression is the last raid of the tier being very obviously made for having all the covenant signature abilites to move around/survive.

[limber lion]

[fleet anchor]

Like me choosing to go Necro 3 days before they add that achievement for Anima scaling

After I have R3 on my Night Fae buildings

And didn't get credit

[charred geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gusty mirage]

GREAT system, I couldn't pvp for like a week because of that shit

[worn path]

Yeah I’m big mad. I might actually just switch back to get the achievement

[fleet anchor]

Such meaningful

Much choices

[limber lion]

I don't even have all r1 buildings on Venthyr and I've been here for a month now.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I thought it would apply to the achieves you had from previous covenants

cuz I had everything lvl 3 as venthyr

😦

[fleet anchor]

Drop 70k on NF buildings after being a NF lifer since launch and avoiding changing until the last second

[gusty mirage]

AND as kyrian

wtf blizz

[fleet anchor]

Only to have them drop that literally like 2 days

After a swap

FeelsBadMan

[compact pumice]

I'm the same. Guess I have to craft the stupid vampire party bullshit

[icy crater]

aren't you guys excited for lvl 80 renown POGGGG

[worn path]

Just swap back for two weeks

[gusty mirage]

tbh at this point I might as well go fae and get 40 renown and level 3 buildings there too

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I'm probably gonna do the swapy swapy

At some point

[gusty mirage]

covenant world tour

[fleet anchor]

Which is just dumb

[worn path]

Don’t cash in the anima you get over the two weeks and you can just dump it into venthyr when you swap back

[fleet anchor]

I mean I had a lot of anima banked when I swapped

It's more that I had just been upgrading NF for a long time

[compact pumice]

Or buy some mount or something and just bring it with you when you swap by selling it back after the swap

[fleet anchor]

Because I had no plans to swap

[dull cloak]

this tbh, the only thing preventing me from switching from NF is how much anima i invested. and Soulshape lul

[fleet anchor]

I swapped over with like 20k

[gusty mirage]

soulshape is still by far the best covenant signature ability

[fleet anchor]

So I have the R1 achievement now

[gusty mirage]

so I don't blame you

[fleet anchor]

But yeah it would be awesome if we had more flexibility

Like SBS+Soulshape would be pog

[compact pumice]

tbh rank 1 achieve requires only like 4.5k total

Rank 2 is a bit more juicy, and 3 is... too much.

[fleet anchor]

Well I'm more limited on souls the first week anyway

I couldn't get R2 this week even if I wanted to

[compact pumice]

You could get 30 renown in like a day tho, so can't you just wait with doing the quest until 30?

[gusty mirage]

could you theoretically just grind a buncha renown and get 20 souls?

[drifting cloud]

15 easily

[fleet anchor]

The renown isn't a problem

I'm maxed out already

[worn path]

You can just switch back to the other covenant, pool your anima. Get the achievement, swap back. Put them in the reservoir. And get the benefit of the achievement for the two weeks of swapping back

[compact pumice]

Did you do the 5 souls quest before getting the 20 souls ability?

[fleet anchor]

But to get R2 in all 4 buildings requires way more than that

[tardy knoll]

can anyone help me with a macro Mutilate/Ambush that let me use the same keybind and use Ambush instead of Mutilate when i can use Ambush:)?

[gusty mirage]

true

it jumps up to like 15 souls right?

[fleet anchor]

Its 8 per building for R2 other than the special which is 12

So 36 for all R2s

Takes 2 weeks minimum

[worn path]

Honestly, use a separate bind and just get used to it. It’ll be better in the long run for you. When you don’t run that talent you now have a new bind to use in the future 🙂

[gusty mirage]

What Misty said, you gotta use an add-on to make the macro work and it's just way more effort than necessary

[fleet anchor]

And R3 is 22 souls

Per building

So basically it will take me like 2 months to get the R3 achievement on Necro if I don't swap back to Night Fae and get it "for free"

Which is just dumb

[compact pumice]

[fleet anchor]

But I'd love a system where we could swap more freely because the class abilities have such strong niches for Assassination in general

[vestal wren]

you mean 2 months of player engagement 👍

[gusty mirage]

well luckily, we got at least 2 months before 9.1

[vestal wren]

seems like it achieves the goal of keeping you playing

[gusty mirage]

[fleet anchor]

Like Flag for ST and SBS for AoE is clearly a choice to make and it's kinda silly to make that "permanent"

[gusty mirage]

MeAnInGfuL

[compact pumice]

Tbh we don't have it as bad as some classes

But it would be nice if you can just... choose between the covenant abilities like a spec if you are renown capped on all of them. Like a KSM but for covenants.

[fleet anchor]

Yes I think you should unlock it forever if you max Renown

[gusty mirage]

I mean this is the same company that effectively ruined m+ looting and had to copy and paste a system in to fix it

instead of just leaving it be

[limber lion]

Yeah I agree. I like having the choice, but that being permanent ehhhh. Some classes get a covenant that works for all content

Actually

[fleet anchor]

The reason I'm personally deciding to go Necro

[limber lion]

I think most classes have a covenant

That works everywhere.

[fleet anchor]

Is that I think it shores up a weakness Assassination has

While still being fairly strong baseline

[limber lion]

What's the weakness?

Which one?

[polar cape]

Trillseeker going off mid mechanic is a feels bad

[fleet anchor]

lol

[limber lion]

I don't even track it so I wouldn't know. Living in ignorance is bliss.

[balmy condor]

Yeah there’s no reason to track it

[polar cape]

You use to be able to click off the stack i tough that was cool

So you could line it up where you want it

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

That was almost never worth it

[fleet anchor]

Also can I like

[balmy condor]

And such a pain in the ass

[fleet anchor]

Talk more Rogues into playing Assassination on Darkvein?

So I can get higher percentile parses?

[worn path]

Thrill seeker always procs during a mechanic or while I’m boogieing down

[limber lion]

I'm getting a r1 on Sire today

Watch me.

[fleet anchor]

Freakin Rank 27 parse and still only 98% because too many jokers think Outlaw is still actually better on that fight 😛

[gusty mirage]

I did my duty for you last night. Got beam on every single shiv and CD I popped solid gray parse

[worn path]

Must kill boss

[limber lion]

A lot of people think that when an encounter has adds = outlaw is better.

Even though Inerva is a full ST pump boss

Where you just bleed everything up to do more ST damage.

[ionic kelp]

encounter has adds? i pad

[polar cape]

Then half your raid spex aoe

[vestal wren]

just play subtlety

[worn path]

But the dps meter says outlaw is better

[vestal wren]

easy ranking

[limber lion]

Wouldn't sub ranking be really really hard though?

With so little people playing it

Like a rank 2 would be a 95 or something lol

[polar cape]

Just togle the boss dam chart <.<

[vestal wren]

na, you just need to be #1

[limber lion]

True

[worn path]

I’m having a super hard time parsing with sin in mythic

[limber lion]

Practice makes perfect

[fleet anchor]

I mean Outlaw doesn't even do more damage on that fight anymore

[worn path]

It’s not like I’m really making any mistakes, it’s just fight duration, mechanics and itemization

[fleet anchor]

SBS gave me like.. a casual +500 DPS on Darkvein though haha

[limber lion]

Sheeez

[nimble tartan]

just be like me and do every fight blue parse sin but u get rank 90 mythic cause u did every fight

[fleet anchor]

Same gear otherwise

Killed back to back Mon/Tues with about the same DPS

[worn path]

This is my problem lol

[nimble tartan]

79 now

[limber lion]

Back in the good ol' days

9.0

37 huge parsers

[fleet anchor]

lol

[limber lion]

Now a 6.2 is probably a blue

I'm really on the fence here

[nimble tartan]

my guild does 2 1 1 on denathrius and that is very much not a good strat for parsing as sin rogue

[limber lion]

I don't know which covenant I want to play

[nimble tartan]

since every wracked add dies fuckin quick

[limber lion]

I feel like I would enjoy SBS a lot more

But idk

[timid coral]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

I'm a sucker for high sim numbers and high ST dps.

[fleet anchor]

I mean I think both are fine tbh

[slow marsh]

Look at ptr over the next couple weeks and decide. I was thinking to go Necro but the nadja bonus conduit looks really good

[limber lion]

Do you remember from the top of your head how much necro sims better in Dslice?

[worn path]

Well have to see what borrowed power comes in 9.1 and how ScAlinG effects us

[fleet anchor]

Not off the top of my head though

[slow marsh]

And Necro doesn't seem to get much interesting that I've seen

[fleet anchor]

A fair bit iirc

[limber lion]

Yeah, probably quite a bit

[fleet anchor]

I mean the other factor is that Necro is better for Outlaw atm

And I play Outlaw as well

[worn path]

Likely more in higher keys, I feel like getting the value out of sbs would be hard when firemage and monks delete it all anyways

[fleet anchor]

If someone is being an Assassination one-trick, Venthyr seems fairly reasonable

But Necro is definitely viable imo

[limber lion]

Yeah

If changing back wasn't so difficult

[heavy skiff]

if i swich to necro to lvl it up is it easy to go back to venth later if i want?

[limber lion]

I would just do it instantly

[worn path]

Venthyr is also viable for outlaw too

[limber lion]

Just to give it a go and see how it plays out

[fleet anchor]

Necro is kinda fun on fights like Sludge too since it gives something you can bank for pillars

[ionic kelp]

might just switch to NL after we kill sire and get a couple of reclears in, just to get it prepped for next tier

[fleet anchor]

00:04:26.799 Kartra Serrated Bone Spike Sludgefist 16696

Kinda fun ngl 😄

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Did they ever fix the mastery on initial hit thing

[fleet anchor]

Mastery got removed from that yes

Otherwise Necro would be king

Honestly if they ever fixed SBS mechanically.. like Sudden Fractures not benefitting from Mastery and the DoT not being able to Crit

It'd probably be about the same as Venthyr

[icy ember]

whats this i hear about sharpened blade being added to sin rogue

[thorny rose]

new pvp talent gives 40% healing redux for 9 seconds on shiv

It currently stacks with wound poison but I doubt that will go live

[gusty mirage]

unless they intend to give assa essentially the same thing as sharpened

but we'll see

[fleet anchor]

Master Poisoner+TTB+Hemotoxin burst build 😮

Just waiting for those Nightstalker+TTB screenshots in the PvP channels next patch

[gusty mirage]

well we'll see how this new pvp gear scaling works

it already popped up on the ptr, base ilvl 200, 213 in pvp

[swift dragon]

im back

@stoic needle your WA doesnt really work with vigor lmao

it never procs

nonetheless a very good one

i need some help

i can only manage 2k dps on a dummy

[balmy condor]

Does that sim use raid buffs

[swift dragon]

idk

[balmy condor]

I’m unfamiliar with the discord bot simming

As it’s rather useless

[vestal wren]

sim with target dummy fight style

this one is patchwerk

[balmy condor]

^

[swift dragon]

whats the diff ?

[vestal wren]

raid buffs/runes/etc are deactivated

[balmy condor]

Patchwerk includes lust and buffs and loses hp

Dummy does not

[swift dragon]

oh right

i want to cast muti/finishers as soon as possible right ?

unless theres a point to pooling energy ?

[balmy condor]

Higher envenom uptime

More energy for shiv/vend windows

Higher elaborate planning uptime if you’re using that

[swift dragon]

BS/MA

so no

[balmy condor]

Well the first 2 still apply

[swift dragon]

wait so what do i cast then if im at 5-6 combo points and everything is up

[balmy condor]

You cast when at max-1 cp, instantly in shiv/vend

Or you wait until about 30 energy from max otherwise

[heavy skiff]

is this the way to go? i was finishing with <1 sec left on env buff

[balmy condor]

That’s how the sims do it

It naturally just pools for everything and maximizes your uptimes

So

Seems worth to me

[heavy skiff]

i think it ends up being the same thing tho

[balmy condor]

Well not quite

[stoic needle]

yes it does

i was using it all last night with vigor

[balmy condor]

If you just finish in <1, you’re not technically pooling for shiv

[tropic echo]

i doubt it, envenom during shiv is a lot of dmg so it's a lot better to get 2 or 3 by pooling and losing a second or two on the envenom buff than just getting 1 envenom during shiv

[balmy condor]

You might do that in your gameplay

But just the rule <1 doesn’t cover all the bases

The same way energy -30 does

[heavy skiff]

ye ur right

Ty

[stoic needle]

my weakaura uses >75% energy, which is energy -30

roughly

[icy crater]

wait do you really use that envenom weak aura?

that the guy wanted pinned

[balmy condor]

What

I feel like I missed this convo

[stoic needle]

i mean yeah why wouldnt i use the weakaura i made

[icy crater]

[tropic echo]

self-awareness of being bad

[stoic needle]

i get better results with it than without it so

[icy crater]

do you have an envenom buff bar?

[stoic needle]

my envenom buff does show up prominently on my bars yes

but the envenom buff and pooling to max-30 doesn't always line up

[icy crater]

I'm confused as to why you'd ever need that information then

[stoic needle]

because they don't always line up

sometimes the envenom buff will drop and you still won't be pooled to max-30

[compact pumice]

Oh, and this is not a dps loss then? Not keeping envenom uptime higher that is

Just curious

[swift dragon]

good to know

what take prio, mainintg envenom or energy pooling ?

[balmy condor]

The uptime is the same

[stoic needle]

i mean, you don't 'lose' dps by the buff dropping off. pandemicing the buff doesn't magically give you extra buff uptime

its still the same duration

[limber lion]

Pooling.

Your Envenom will be the same

[swift dragon]

thats highly counterintuitive lmao

[balmy condor]

Like if you have 5 seconds of envenom, and you wait till 1 second left, and get another 5 seconds, that’s 10 seconds total

[old depot]

I'm new to retail, will stygia likely still be used to socket the new gear coming with 9.1? I just hit exalted with Venari and was wondering if I may as well hold off on socketing my current gear

[balmy condor]

If you have 5 seconds

Wait 2 seconds

And then 5 seconds

You still have 10 seconds

[balmy condor]

Who knows

[limber lion]

No, they said that there's a new currency

[swift dragon]

right but like if i have 1 second left but only say 50 energy should i cast it or not

[compact pumice]

Unless you can get an envenom up as it lines up with the previous one etc?

[limber lion]

And you cannot use Stygia or the current socketing items to socket your gear.

That's why they are classified as "Season 1" sockets.

[hot chasm]

The socket item states its for season1 items

[stoic needle]

no you should not cast it

[old depot]

Perfect, thank you Ceverion

[heavy skiff]

Does env buff buff ur next envenom? Or only poison damage?

[swift dragon]

so I always wait till at least 80 energy ?

[stoic needle]

it's max -30

[balmy condor]

Envenom is a buff to poison application

[limber lion]

Not sure why so many people think that the Envenom buff increases poison damage

[stoic needle]

90 without vigor, 140 with vigor

[limber lion]

It's literally just an increased poison proc chance.

[swift dragon]

right

[quasi widget]

crit haste on doomblade lego right?

[limber lion]

Not increased damage.

[limber lion]

Ye

[swift dragon]

not trying to contest it but why ?

[limber lion]

Why do we pool you mean?

[heavy skiff]

I think back in legion env also increased un nature damage or something like that

[stoic needle]

if you don't envenom until that threshold it guarantees that you have energy up for every shiv window, and that you don't clip the envenom buff and waste uptime

[heavy skiff]

It was on the artefact weapon

[limber lion]

Shiv does that (Toxic Blade back then)

[balmy condor]

It did not

[icy crater]

I guess I look at my energy bar so like

having that WA makes sense but not for me

[balmy condor]

There was a passive that increased poison damage

[swift dragon]

energy

[wary ice]

Pooling moves resources into periods of higher damage

you pool around envenom to get mutilates to finisher-cp inside the window

[stoic needle]

i look at my energy bar too, but sometimes my outlaw brain gets the best of me and i want to envenom early, and the weakaura helps to remind me not to

[wary ice]

slash it makes your energy in general line up better for shiv windows

[stoic needle]

unless a mechanic means i shjould anyway

[icy crater]

its kinda weird especially on sludge no?

should be dumping for stomps and shit anyways

[balmy condor]

Well you don’t pool when you can’t

[stoic needle]

yeah i mean its a judgement call

[icy crater]

regardless of energy since you'll regen while doing mechanics

[heavy skiff]

This thing was on my mind guess i related that to env somehow

[balmy condor]

Aha yeh

[wary ice]

rip kingslayers you were kings 😦

[icy crater]

chuffa 900iq memory

[balmy condor]

I mean not really

[icy crater]

y

[limber lion]

Surge is a staple

[balmy condor]

He remembered something that increased envenom damage on envenom

[limber lion]

If he said "Surge"

[icy crater]

is it poison and not nature damage

[balmy condor]

And that did neither

[icy crater]

or something

[wary ice]

yeah thats why it says poison damage lol

[limber lion]

It increases your deadly poison damage.

[icy crater]

jesus christ

[balmy condor]

It says poison in the description

[icy crater]

blizzard

[heavy skiff]

I almost got it right

[icy crater]

is cancer

[balmy condor]

What

[stoic needle]

Envenom is a poison but not a Poison

-blizzard

[balmy condor]

Why is that blizzard being cancer

[stoic needle]

because our mastery says bleeds and poisons - affects envenom

zoldyck says Bleeds and Poisons - doesn't affect envenom

[balmy condor]

Mastery is the outlier

[stoic needle]

or is zoldyck the outlier

[limber lion]

Na

[wary ice]

Def mastery

[icy crater]

it doesn't matter it makes shit ambiguous as all fuck

[wary ice]

mASStery if u will

[icy crater]

I don't remember how exact mechanics work on every tooltip from 5 years ago so if I use a definition today

its just wrong

[stoic needle]

make zoldyck envenom

[icy crater]

thats why its bullshit

[balmy condor]

Well considering zoldyck doesn’t work, and surge didn’t work, and other poison affects don’t work

Mastery is the clear outlier

As the only thing

Which affects envenom

So yeah

Mastery is the outlier

[wary ice]

TBH i learned that mastery affected envenom like a month ago

and it straight didnt matter

[stoic needle]

But imagine how dogshit our mastery would be if it didnt affect envenom

[wary ice]

Not a single gearing decision in the last 4 years woulda changed

[limber lion]

I had a brainfart about mastery affecting Envenom the other day as well

[balmy condor]

Like stats are already the same thing with different colors of paint

[icy crater]

yeah ofc

[wary ice]

speaking of colors of paint

[balmy condor]

They all basically increase 50% or more of our abilities, and that’s that

Like

Stats are incredibly boring

[wary ice]

Is Haste still the goto stat w. the MFD NS build ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[polar cape]

wasnt it agonizing poison that got dmg amp from surge and you could increase envenom dmg with it

[wary ice]

Weird

Oh wait its not wierd im wrong

[limber lion]

Fuck Agonizing Poison

[wary ice]

I keep forgetting u take MA w/ it

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

For that 1 patch

But agonizing has like 629594 other problems

I try my best to forget it existed

Worst talent they’ve ever made

[polar cape]

lots of sick interraction <.<

[wary ice]

I kinda miss having different kinds of lethals though tbh

Esp now that poisons arent an assa thing

[icy crater]

y you just push it

oooo fun

[stoic needle]

Yeah I would like to have more types of poison

[old depot]

For M+, are we garroting beyond the first 3 from subterfuge?

[wary ice]

Honestly i think all the Unpruning/classwide changes into SL for rogue were ass

[balmy condor]

Yes

[wary ice]

yes

[limber lion]

Yes.

[icy crater]

unless they spend 27432423 hours actually designing lethals that are interesting and you actually use different ones

[gritty spoke]

agonizing was basically hunger for blood 2.0

[wary ice]

yah its more the principle of it imo the flavor if u will

[icy crater]

or have a lethal on a CD like fucking idk poison dip

[old depot]

So in a pack of 5, Garrote and maintain all 5?

[icy crater]

kinda like shiv but cooler

[gritty spoke]

or 3.0 possibly, forget if they had another thing like it inbetween

[icy crater]

and you just pump

[heavy skiff]

Imagine having to change poisons mid fight when adds are about to spawn...

[balmy condor]

You can’t get that many garrotes out, but yeh

[wary ice]

basically im saying i dont like instant poison existing

[limber lion]

Well you can't maintain 5 garrotes without using vanish

[old depot]

Right, copy that

[icy crater]

just keybind it

[wary ice]

in ap ack of 5 you'd MFD-> Snd if u run it, then g-g-g-g-ct-fok-rup

assuming Zoldycks

i think the ct and rup are switchable if needed

[wary pawn]

as necrolord , what would be the optimal opener sbs>mut>snd etc or mut first? does it even matter?

[balmy condor]

Yeah, CT would come first on 5 mobs for sure

[wary ice]

in ST: sbs->snd->mut (assuming MA talent)

[balmy condor]

But usually rup/ct in cleave is close enough

[limber lion]

I tend to garr and rup both targets in 2T before using CT

[wary pawn]

tymen, also is sudden fractures conduit worth it?

[wary ice]

SBS first just to get the dot up faster, i dont think it'll make a huge difference over a boss fight tbh

[limber lion]

Yes, but you should sim it.

[stoic needle]

So what's the consensus on opening from stealth with mut vs sbs?

[balmy condor]

It’s the best conduit for necro in aoe and single target, yes

[balmy condor]

If the target doesn’t have the dot, you sbs

But it’s a difference of like

[thorny rose]

ranged opener we hunters now

[balmy condor]

5 dps

[wary pawn]

better than WPS? SF its like 8dps more in sims

[swift dragon]

so i pool for bigger flag/shiv windows ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[wary pawn]

ok ty man gonna try it

[limber lion]

You answered your own question

[balmy condor]

Yes

[swift dragon]

alright

[wary ice]

yeah essentially

[sweet fable]

Can 213 poison katar drop in CN or is it only venari upgrade

[swift dragon]

ty

[icy crater]

pulling slg 80 times then forgetting your regular ST opener

[wary ice]

the key part of pooling is to not over think it

[thorny rose]

pool for shiv but don’t hold shiv, slam it on CD

[limber lion]

Ven'ari

[swift dragon]

im assuming maintaining rupture and garr take prio over pooling ?

[wary ice]

its really just asking yourself "Will i be able to do what i need to if i burn energy right now"

[stoic needle]

Yes

Never delay rupture or garotte to pool

[wary ice]

^

[stoic needle]

Pool is just for envenom

[swift dragon]

yeah the only other buff management spec i play in enhance shammy and thats a case of cycling through buffs as fast as your limbs will allow

right ty

good to know all this

[stoic needle]

Yeah I figured it wouldn't be much

I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a misplay to sbs from stealth

[wary ice]

yeah so imagine you're playing enhance and if u spend too many globals before you press windfury or something you're forced to miss a global or two in that window

[balmy condor]

Well technically we pool on mutilate as well but I never mention it cause it’s such an edge case and so minimal that it’s not worth the energy talking about

[swift dragon]

yeah ok that makes snese

[wary ice]

this is a 10/10 pun

[stoic needle]

Delete this rn

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Well if your rupture is 2s away from pandemic and you're at 30 energy and max combo points, you should probably wait (pool) for 2s before reapplying Rupture.

[swift dragon]

watch me ping mods to pin it and get banned

[thorny rose]

CanOfWorms.gif

[balmy condor]

Basically yeah

[wary ice]

and this circles back to "dont over think it"

[balmy condor]

What?

[icy crater]

do you only pool mut if ur past a certain haste breakpoint where the spec "feels" good?

[limber lion]

Exactly.

[stoic needle]

True. I guess it'd be more accurate to say don't delay refreshing in pandemic to pool

[limber lion]

He did it twice today and got muted by Shien after several warnings.

[balmy condor]

I see

[stoic needle]

I mean lets be real sin is unplayable without 15.01%+ haste

[balmy condor]

I didn’t read mute logs today

[limber lion]

Yeh

[balmy condor]

Serves me right

[wary ice]

how he get muted twice its only 1:30 :/

[swift dragon]

ive only been muted once lmao

[stoic needle]

Man's on a mission

[limber lion]

Nah he pinged Blades twice.

[wary ice]

lol lets keep it that way

[balmy condor]

He pinged BLADES?

[swift dragon]

well the first time cause they changed my name for no reason

[balmy condor]

Jesus

[swift dragon]

second time cause of poggers WA that was linked asking them to pin it

[limber lion]

We had all orange boys and Fiery in here for a good while.

[swift dragon]

my brain is quite smooth

[icy crater]

there was a mod uprising

and the guy was banned

[balmy condor]

And FIERY?

Holy shit

[swift dragon]

[balmy condor]

Imagine pinging shadows for a weakaura

Oh man

[swift dragon]

[balmy condor]

Every day I think I see funny shit

But then the next day comes around

[icy crater]

isn't it fantastic

[wary ice]

truly a blessed day

[fleet anchor]

I ping Fuu all the time and I don't get in trouble

[willow drum]

on mythic council do you guys hold vandetta untill attendat has passed?

like on pull

[swift dragon]

things are about to get a lot funnier now my clown ass is in here

[balmy condor]

Koji shut up

[swift dragon]

@vestal wren this guy ?

[wary ice]

isnt first attendent 30s in?

[balmy condor]

Bruh

[tribal steppe]

hey quick question - are the openers on Icy veins current.. for pve and pvp?

[icy crater]

mute

[swift dragon]

it was good knowing you lads

[icy crater]

4 hour mute

send it

[swift dragon]

godspeed

[willow drum]

dunno im trialing tnight on it and i rly dont wanna fuck up

[fleet anchor]

First attendent we usually have Boomkins blow up anyway before it does anything

[willow drum]

ah ok

[fleet anchor]

So I've never really delayed for it

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna blame koji for that one

[willow drum]

ye we got 2 boomies as well

[balmy condor]

[wary ice]

probably double checking now for you

[drifting cloud]

I hold it but its mostly because of our kill timer

[halcyon zealot]

first attendant is not 30 seconds in on mythic council, maybe heroic

it’s like 8-10 seconds in

[drifting cloud]

since its 8:30~ so im not losing a cast

[balmy condor]

Pve ones are, not sure who maintains the pvp one

[drifting cloud]

because you cant get 4min one for us its always during dance

[tribal steppe]

also - for necro - im using MA legendary, do you open with bonespike or stick with mut?

[willow drum]

thats what i saw as well kinda

and why i was confused

[swift dragon]

good thing fuu is on dnd

[balmy condor]

Either

[limber lion]

He always is

[balmy condor]

Yeah fuu’s always on mute

[icy crater]

his discord probably looks like a christmas tree

[swift dragon]

no ping notifications

[icy crater]

with all the notifications and shit

[balmy condor]

Presumably cause dumbasses ping him for no reason

[icy crater]

actually ban

[limber lion]

Might wanna stop

[icy crater]

like actually

[balmy condor]

Aight dude

[drifting cloud]

just mute him for 24h

[tribal steppe]

thanks

[balmy condor]

Didn’t you learn your lesson earlier

[swift dragon]

[stoic needle]

If you open with sbs you still want to use mut in the rest of the ma window right?

[limber lion]

Ya

[cedar hare]

And good news in 9.1?

[wary ice]

yah its just to get the dot up asap

[limber lion]

Sbs Snd Mut or Sbs muti SnD

[icy crater]

yeah we didn't get nerfed yet

that's good news

[cedar hare]

so no buffs I guess

[icy crater]

ye ur right assa needs some buffs

[swift dragon]

i dont learn

[balmy condor]

We have basically 0 changes

[icy crater]

they're not competitive at all

[vagrant bison]

is doomblade much better than zoldyk in raid (heroic)?

[balmy condor]

In 9.1

[wary ice]

I counted it out and if u're hammering the opener and somehow get 0 crit procs you still have enough time to env to refresh snd before it drops

[balmy condor]

That’s a problem

[wary ice]

so u can very safely just always do sbs snd mut

[swift dragon]

that would require a wrinkled brain

[wary ice]

to get buffs up quicker

[limber lion]

Alright, good to know. The sim currently uses Muti if you only get 1 CP

[fleet anchor]

Fuu can't get get panked by those april fools icon changes

[limber lion]

Or at least since I checked it yesterday

[fleet anchor]

Because all of his Discord servers look like that at all times

[icy crater]

true

[wary ice]

YEah 1 cp SnD is 12s and you env about 6s later in ST; might be different in aoe where you're holding the env longer

[tribal steppe]

if using MA legendary though..

[wary ice]

then you aint gotta worry about a thing :^)

[icy crater]

tfw I have to get up and do stuff and I really don't want to

[stoic needle]

Getting 2cp from mut with MA talent is truly fucked up

[tribal steppe]

lol

[limber lion]

It's also really rare.

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but memorable

[wary ice]

ITs more the 1 cp from sbs

in that regard

[stoic needle]

Sometimes you get bad rolls

[tribal steppe]

how is it possible not to get 4 from stealth with MA?

[swift dragon]

is it worth "wasting" the cp from shiv to get a good window ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[willow drum]

yes

[limber lion]

You press Shiv on CD

[wary ice]

also its only really relevent for the literal first global

[swift dragon]

aight ty

[wary ice]

IDK if SBS is still used in subsequent vanishes w/ MA talent in st

[halcyon zealot]

anyone take a look at bosses on ptr yet and (from the available information) able to see if it’ll be a more ST/2 target (assa) or cleave (outlaw) heavy raid in 9.1?

[limber lion]

Quite a few cleave fights

[halcyon zealot]

of course.. smh

[limber lion]

But that doesn't mean that it's an "Outlaw tier"

[stoic needle]

Sin pumps hard on 2t cleave

[wary ice]

Turns out the dot class is pretty good at cleaving too yeah

[stoic needle]

And there's going to be at least two of those

[willow drum]

do y'all pre-pandemic apply dots if u get shiv in like 5 and garrote falls off in 9 and rupture in 11 ish

like random scenario

just tryna find out cuz i'm trying both rn

but i feel like pre-pandemic feels kinda meh

[limber lion]

Nah

Just reapply during the Shiv

[wary ice]

honestly i just take the shitty shiv window

If i have to rupture in it; i rupture in it

GEnerally that means you fucked up somewhere like 20s before that anyways

[hollow escarp]

shiv is a 9 sec buff on 25 sec cd

worth reapplying

[willow drum]

it just mostly happens after my opener

then not rly after

[balmy condor]

Stop thinking of shiv as an envenom buffer, and start thinking about it as uptime

[hollow escarp]

[lapis pecan]

Bottled Flayedwing Toxin work with doomblade?

[balmy condor]

If you use shiv thinking “I need higher shiv uptime”

[willow drum]

[cedar hare]

Words

[balmy condor]

You got it

[balmy condor]

Damn what

Pins

That’s crazy

Who would’ve thought of that

[willow drum]

[swift dragon]

wait a second

whyspir

whispyr*

arent you the dude that was on the marcelian podcast

[balmy condor]

I am

[swift dragon]

pog

[limber lion]

Whyspir

[balmy condor]

[lapis pecan]

thanks

[wary ice]

more like pogcast

checking that out now

[hollow escarp]

never heard of that lol

[stoic needle]

Whiespayr

Whyspr

How badly can we mispell his name

[balmy condor]

Almost as bad as my name in real life

Tbh

[halcyon zealot]

whispyr doesn’t get paid enough for this

[balmy condor]

I just live a cursed life of getting my name misspelled

[split veldt]

wispeer

[balmy condor]

Wait we’re supposed to be getting paid?

[stoic needle]

Whydontyoureadthepinspyr

[halcyon zealot]

hahaha

[balmy condor]

Wait does that fit?

Oh my god

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

Change your icon to

[hollow escarp]

lol

[balmy condor]

I’m on it

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

I will combine all my limbs into the shape of a pin

And become pinsodia

[stoic needle]

Pin tattoo when

man sbs is so much more fun than flag I can't deny it

[thorny rose]

man if people keep saying that im gonna have to switch to necro but i hate their mog and mounts :/

[stoic needle]

They're so bad

I just pretend they don't exist

[velvet cosmos]

Am i going crazy or why is druid roar breaking my shroud? 😛 Always been like this or something changed?

[stoic needle]

And wear the wod poisoner's battlegear set

A new patch, new stealth bugs

[velvet cosmos]

tried a PF +19 and after roar broke shroud 3 times we just for the luls tired it 2 more times. Same shit.

[stoic needle]

Can't say I've had that happen to me before

We're you using theotar double potency

[hollow venture]

Handing out that absorb breaks things

Or at least can. I hear it's weird

[wary ice]

only thing weird is running double potency theo

smh

[halcyon zealot]

is there any other class in the game where you’d wanna play 3 covenants at once or are we the lucky ones

[wary ice]

Warrior

[halcyon zealot]

like i wanna be NF venth and necro and it i think has been taking years off my life the stress it’s caused me the past few months trying to decide then swap then swap back lol

[wary ice]

I mean

the deicsion straight doesnt matter

[stoic needle]

Just play all of them

[wary ice]

I play ven cause pressing flag is a feels good button for me

Oshosi ABANDONDED US for the same reason: he enjoys pressing sbs

[naive surge]

Sbs feels so right on sin

[stoic needle]

I also enjoy pumping in m+

[shy dust]

SBS feels great to press

[stoic needle]

And you can't really pump in m+ with venthyr

[wary ice]

Yah if ur a dork

[slow marsh]

Oshoi was an oGvampboi but he's a traitor now

[stoic needle]

I'm stinky now

[halcyon zealot]

ya my prob is i like to optimize my toon around raid, where i play assa 95% of the time, but out of raid i’m usually outlaw, and venth outlaw feels like straight ass

[wary ice]

high key i just think flag is an amazing cd to have available for pridefuls and stuff

[stoic needle]

It's punishment enough

[wary ice]

Ven outlaw is dope af

smh

[stoic needle]

Ehh

I think it's pretty bad ngl

[wary ice]

Its literally inverse-bladeflurry

u burna global and do too much damage to one thing instead

[stoic needle]

I didn't find flag to be a needed cd for pride when you already blow all of your CDs on pride

And my overall was doodoo

[slow marsh]

What is doodoo to you

[wary ice]

we cant afford to burn everything into a pride and then have a sick ass 4 minute boss fight

[stoic needle]

Like barely 6k overall

[teal bloom]

That video was recommended to me Pog

[limber lion]

Equal amount of effort as I put in

[balmy condor]

damn who's that cutie in the top right @surreal torrent

[limber lion]

As is proper for Whyspir

[teal bloom]

Whispir is my favourite rogue guy :)

[slow marsh]

I don't think @surreal torrent is a real person

[balmy condor]

at least he had the respect to take out the background

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

He probably uses Photoshop, the mad lad

[slow marsh]

Kekbanned

[balmy condor]

paint 3D gang

[frosty bridge]

is 17% "lot" of haste?

Raidbots already making me go full crit gems and enchants + deeper strat

over haste

250 dps gain according to sim

[balmy condor]

yep

that seems reasonable

especially with venthyr

which I assume you are

because I'm 900 iq gigabrain

[frosty bridge]

Yup, switched to fool around as sin, pretty fun

Makes sense makes sense

[wise fiber]

im getting Exacting preparation soulbind as the best sim with dungeonslice. is that allright? or whats the recoomended tree?

[stoic needle]

exacting prep is fine

theotar wasteland propriety is also good

but you just have to make sure not to die or to refresh your food buff if you do die

[wise fiber]

Ok got it! thanks!

[stoic needle]

which bosses end up being 4+ minutes for you? i know you do a bit higher keys than I do but i don't think i've had one that long yet

[gusty mirage]

Cev’s my new fav rogue person. I’ll edit that meme later to prove it

[brittle pawn]

last boss NW, duel boss in top

probably more

[shy dust]

Have you tried bonespike

[stoic needle]

yeah fuck xav

[frosty bridge]

Always saving weapons for the last boss

NW

[brittle pawn]

spires alst boss

[stoic needle]

true devos is thicc af

[balmy condor]

[brittle pawn]

most bosses in pugs because other 2 dps find fun and exciting new ways to die

[stoic needle]

bro you can't tell me you haven't seen those forsworn clappers

[pastel shale]

25% haste and counting

[wary ice]

First in Mists on Tyr takes a long time

uhh basically all of DoS 'cept hakkar

and gnomes

so really just the dealer

[stoic needle]

4 min xy'exa

sounds like a wipe to me

[wary ice]

if we burn shit on the prideful we go into the fight spamming firebal and SS

takes like 30s of pride buff before we're actually doing damage

honestly hakkar can realistically take 4 minutes if your healers good

but your keys dead at that point so

[stoic needle]

dos in general is some fuckery

[wary ice]

My point is just that flag is a really good cooldown for prideful cause of how it works

[stoic needle]

i'm glad i got it as my key this week on fort instead of tyr

for sure, i don't disagree with you there

i just didn't feel like it ever made the difference between us killing the pride or not

[wary ice]

Althought tbh i probably woulda swapped to NLord by now if i didnt also need to be the guy to take gargyles and open the code reds

I think its pretty inarguable that its the better cov in M+

[shy dust]

Invest in a holy Paladin

[wary ice]

we have one :/

[shy dust]

Venthyr*

[wary ice]

Kyrian :^(

[stoic needle]

could you imagine if flag blade flurried

[wary ice]

Initial hit does, at the very least

[stoic needle]

the lashes i mean

[quasi oar]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[wary ice]

I'm pretty sure the bonus lashes from conduit also flurry since they're tucked into the initial it itself

I cna test that when i get home

but yeah the CP lashes def dont and that sad

[halcyon zealot]

bull you play assa or outlaw in ur high keys

[wary ice]

Outlaw

[halcyon zealot]

bet

[wary ice]

for the record i think Assa is super capable of doing 20+s

I just think our group benefits more from having outlaw rogues CC - more specifically it gets gouge and the rotation is ez monkey brain so i have the mental bandwith to be cc bitch at the same time

Also honestly for as long as @marble hemlock continues to play Outlaw i will play outlaw

[marble hemlock]

[halcyon zealot]

yeah i play outlaw in keys also, just feels smoother atm for me at least

[tribal steppe]

how far below venth is necro now in PVE ST?

[drifting cloud]

100~

[wary ice]

i believe the simsare in pins

[gusty mirage]

Cool concept that I just knew would be miserable in m+ especially because the buff doesn’t make up for the dps lost

[stoic needle]

yeah idk why the buff is so low

i don't think the pinned sims have been updated with the new gemstone sbs dumping optimization which narrows the gap a bit more

[gusty mirage]

They should make the buff scale with key level or something

[wary ice]

huh?

[wary ice]

they should remove that fight

[stoic needle]

koji came up with an optimization that brings necrolord to within 1% of venthyr

wherein you wait until the marrowed gemstone proc activates and then dump all of your sbs charges

[wary ice]

The true dream is running rogue Fmage afflock, fmage busts and the rogue and the fmage get sent down as the banner spawns

[gusty mirage]

Come up with an assa build that works at high keys so I don’t have to be sad anymore pls

[wary ice]

LEaving the poor warlock trying to figure out how to kill a banner by himself :^(

[marble hemlock]

gimme 15k stygia

[gusty mirage]

Take all my Stygia man

[marble hemlock]

so i can add 2 sockets to my high crit bracers/neck

[gusty mirage]

I don’t even want it

Get me out of outlaw hell

[wary ice]

you building it as crit/haste or crit verse?

[stoic needle]

my M+ sin set is up to 34% mastery

[wary ice]

pretty pog Sub M+ set u got there

[stoic needle]

i wish sub wasn't dogshit i wouldnt mind playing it in keys too

[wary ice]

I love sub tbh

but it sure doesnt feel good to play rn

[brittle pawn]

sub be

[wary ice]

I still play it in raid fights im not comfortable on

Namely Council prog and Sunking

[shy dust]

Still pretty good

For both of those fights

[spice spire]

Oh no

[shy dust]

Especially council

[wary ice]

YEah but tbh im only playing it cause the rotation is pretty brain dead so i can focus on mechanics without losing too much damage

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bison-street-fighter-yes-gif-3718772

[wary ice]

and also because I'm getting UTTERLLY FUCKED by my guild on sunking

[stoic needle]

rngesus gave me the bis sin crit mastery neck so i took it as a sign from the lord that i should return back to my spec in keys

[gusty mirage]

Tbh I don’t know if there’s any way that fight goes smooth for anyone

Sun king is legit such an awful fight

[wary ice]

No i mean UTTERLY fucked

I have to get first fucking pedastal

[shy dust]

Hey bro

Why were you afk

[wary ice]

and then we call a stop dps because our dps is way ahead of our healers

[shy dust]

For 1 min

[halcyon zealot]

bruh lol that is a wild graph

[wary ice]

I literally didnt press a button for 45s

[shy dust]

Your parse might be low if you afk for a minute

[wary ice]

then i pressed feint

[brittle pawn]

same. grey parse gang

[gusty mirage]

how are your healers behind?

[shy dust]

Sire has that problem too

[wary ice]

they havent made a healer combust yet

[shy dust]

From 2 mins until the end of phase 1

I just have to sit there maintain alacrity

[gusty mirage]

Sure they have, it’s called mist weaver

And 2 holy priests

And you just face roll it

[wary ice]

We just pop like 3 combusts and Warlock 1 minutes into the opening pack it it melts

[shy dust]

2 Hpriests make the fight a joke

[gusty mirage]

Oh yeah that’ll do it

Don’t worry in August when 9.1 comes out we can laugh at the fire mages

[marble hemlock]

id like to build it as crit mastery

[wary ice]

Bro mage will still be busted in 9.1 😦

[marble hemlock]

but game doesnt have crit mastery items

[wary ice]

beyond true

[gusty mirage]

Buncha fuckin haste mastery though

It’s actually so tilting to get haste mastery gear

[wary ice]

Also beyond true

Im willing to bet theres at least 7 haste/mast rings

[gusty mirage]

Is the team that designs loot all resto druids or something?

[stoic needle]

I looked on the ptr and there seems to be a better balance of secondaries on gear in the new tier

In the raid at least

I regret turning down that 226 crit mastery chest 2x in a row

[lofty shell]

you gotta sync cd's and trinkets with the pillar hits

potion

make sure bleeds are up before he crashes into it

shiv can get a bit wonky if you forget to watch the timers

[balmy condor]

you shiv once between pillars

and once on pillar

[lofty shell]

but theres prob ppl here with better tjips than the obbv ones 😛

[ionic kelp]

uh small things like flagging before finisher and not before a generator

[balmy condor]

so it's shiv on pull, shiv between pillar, shiv pillar1, shiv between pillar, shiv pillar 2, shiv between pillar, shiv pillar 3

[ionic kelp]

you are refreshing bleeds during pillars

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a pretty yikes

[ionic kelp]

super small thing but u popped ur potion middle of 4th pillar

its better to just not be in that position ever

yup just so it covers the 10s

like this is kinda awk

ya dont waste a gcd in shiv / pillars

not really necessary, its a slight dps increase but the only real pooling i end up doing is for shiv which is just because of having to run out

[frosty bridge]

16k envenoms

im legit

happy that sin is this good

[pure moth]

You still did 7k though... so im curious rhett these tips will do for you next time!

[subtle kiln]

are you comparing a 5:15 kill to a 4:39 kill and wondering why you have more envenoms?

[balmy condor]

you're also using vigor

with is really weird

like it would be fine if you ran EP

but you ran both BS AND vigor

which is just for sure wrong

he played BS vigor?

that's so troll

with high haste, you have to drop one

and ESPECIALLY with venthyr

[subtle kiln]

not playing smh

[balmy condor]

yeh you also just got fucked with crits

but that's nothing you can control

I'm not sure when venthyr wants to drop BS/vigor

but it's like

stupid low haste

I'm not sure if you'd actually ever run bs/vigor as a venthyr

even 0 haste

[ionic kelp]

when i had 11% haste as venthyr, DS was still like a 40dps upg

[balmy condor]

I mean I don't see your meters

but you're not doing more aoe with those talents

at least not because of those

[muted ridge]

Not playing with Vigor feels to me like playing at 0.5speed. Sure does more dmg but, just so slower

[stoic needle]

Me gusta low apm sin

[royal lantern]

vigor doesnt give you 20more apm, just saying

vigor is SLIGHTLY faster

slightly

[brittle pawn]

more buttons = moe dam

[dawn moat]

do you pool energy before shiv/ven windows when playing 3322221?

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