assassination

[swift dragon]

aight fuck DS im sticking to Vigor

[compact pumice]

Well. I mean I am venthyr and I lose -45 DPS on ST. So some mechanics easily push out EP/Vigor ahead.

[gusty adder]

Im necro, at 20% haste, and DS sims 55 higher than Vigor

[limber lion]

You introduce one add and EP/Vig beats BS/DS

[compact pumice]

But going BS/DS on the ST bosses

[swift dragon]

blindside is still always BiS right ?

[limber lion]

No

If you play Vig, you play EP

[swift dragon]

Ep ?

[limber lion]

You never play Blindside on AoE fights

[grand ridge]

elaborate planning

[brave vector]

Elaborate planning

[limber lion]

Elaborate Planning

[swift dragon]

oh

wait what

[grand ridge]

even on tyrannical m+ weeks just run EP

[limber lion]

Go look at the logs and you'll see what people are using.

And for which boss.

[misty holly]

EP buffs aoe abilities.

fan, crimson

[subtle tundra]

or maybe sim yo gear and youll get definite answers

[misty holly]

so its great on aoe

[limber lion]

EP buffs everything*

[gloomy fern]

i always go master poisoner

[swift dragon]

im still in the process of gearing

so simming means fuck all rn

[limber lion]

If you're still gearing, just play EP/Vig

[swift dragon]

just wondering which talents i should get used to

[limber lion]

It starts losing out once you get more gear.

[swift dragon]

i play BS/vig

[misty holly]

I used to also because I really like the idea of master poison, but it's way less dps... I had to switch.

[gloomy fern]

playstyle remains the same

[limber lion]

EP/MA/Vig/Alacrity/PB

[swift dragon]

i play BS/Sub/Vig/Ala/PB

[subtle tundra]

its the most braindead talent from that row though

[grand ridge]

Yea master poisoner is only good for running dashing scoundrel in m+

[subtle tundra]

atleast ep you can maximize the uptime

[misty holly]

that's what makes it so great.

[subtle tundra]

bs changes rotaion

thats so shit

assa is already sleep

[stoic needle]

EP doesn't change your rotation either

And it's just better

[limber lion]

Not even then

You still play EP

[misty holly]

EP changes timing slightly if you want to eek extra damage out

but it's probably a barely noticeable amount

[stoic needle]

It doesn't change anything

It's just a buff every time you do a finisher

You don't play around it

[subtle tundra]

you dont have to, but you can 🙂

[compact pumice]

It's sometimes hard though, first page of top parses on Inerva for Sin is like 50/50 EP/Vig vs BS/DS even though everyone is venthyr. All I make of that is that it doesn't matter in a sense.

[subtle tundra]

its still less braindead than master poisoner, that was the argument

[gloomy fern]

its mostly ppl cba swapping talents mid run

[misty holly]

But 12% leech.

[swift dragon]

how awful is BS/Vig

[subtle tundra]

its not

[stoic needle]

What is there to play around? If you're pooling normally you naturally space out the ep buff and don't clip it

[swift dragon]

?

[vast forum]

but you want to clip it with envenom

ideally that is

[swift dragon]

clip what ?

[compact pumice]

If you want actual numbers just sim it. It's prob pretty close.

[subtle tundra]

thats about ep

[swift dragon]

oh

[misty holly]

I try to clip it with envenoms especially in shiv window.

maybe that's wrong, dunno but it seems like it should be right

[gloomy fern]

in shiv windows u dont clip shit

u slam asap

[stoic needle]

Well yes in shiv you should be envenoming as fast as possible

[swift dragon]

mfw im ilvl170 and for some reason have 32% mastery

[gloomy fern]

i think mr ghost got things backwards

[subtle tundra]

but sometimes you know you wont get more than 2 envenoms so you try to clip them

[swift dragon]

how do you clip an envenom

[subtle tundra]

MAN its about EP

[swift dragon]

oh nvm im just dumb then

[grand ridge]

Should you 3cp envenom if it means you can fit it into your shiv window 🤔

[gloomy fern]

no

[limber lion]

No

[swift dragon]

why is it that 4cp is fine but 3cp isnt ?

[limber lion]

You finish at max-1

Always

[swift dragon]

does it scale a lot higher from 3-4

[worn path]

4cp does more damage than 3cp

[limber lion]

It's just waste

[misty holly]

The sims are a black box. Nobody knows. We just do what it says.

[swift dragon]

but then why not get 5 cp ?

like

[limber lion]

You always want to finish at as high combo points as possible - without losing combo points

[swift dragon]

same reasoning

[gloomy fern]

cause u will over cap

[limber lion]

Because

[compact pumice]

Envenom puts a buff on you increasing proc rate of poisons btw. So that's why you pool energy before sending envenoms (outside of Shiv). You do something similar with EP in the sense that you don't want to use a finisher too early and clip the previous buff earlier so it falls off before you get enough energy and CP to do a new finisher

[gloomy fern]

and lose cp

[limber lion]

You lose combo points

[swift dragon]

dumb question but

[grand ridge]

Envenom costs the same energy so less combo points is less efficient

[swift dragon]

whats wrong with overcaping

[gloomy fern]

you lose cp?

[limber lion]

Well

Think about it

[compact pumice]

you lose resources

[swift dragon]

yeah but

[limber lion]

Think about it for 5 minutes

[gloomy fern]

my brain hurts

[limber lion]

And you'll get it

[swift dragon]

how much of a loss is it

[worn path]

Overcapping does less damage than not

[limber lion]

A massive loss.

[subtle tundra]

if we had infinite energy maybe, but we dont

[swift dragon]

if you end up doing more damage cause of meaty finishers

[limber lion]

But you don't

Because you lose combo points

[compact pumice]

it's a loss, which means not doing it is a net positive

[limber lion]

Meaning t

[gloomy fern]

this is a lost cause

[limber lion]

That you do LESS finishersx

You do bigger finishers

[swift dragon]

vigor

[limber lion]

But less amount of them

You do 3 finishers

Instead of 5

[compact pumice]

A loss CAN'T be a win, no matter how much

Then it wouldn't be a loss

[subtle tundra]

vigor doesnt insta give you infinite energy

[limber lion]

Which is better, 5 finishers at 2.8k or 8 finishers at 2.3k

[swift dragon]

8

[limber lion]

Exactly.

[swift dragon]

i just needed to air out my brain there

dry it out a bit for the wrinkles to return

[gloomy fern]

smooth

[swift dragon]

been steaming it trying to figure out wtf my job ios

is*

[shrewd night]

Imagine that every 10 cp, you lose the value of 5-6 cp.

[limber lion]

You don't want to waste or overcap anything

Combo points, energy, cooldowns

Nothing.

Shiv is off cooldown? press it

Energy about to cap? press an ability

4 combo points? finish

[gloomy fern]

im always overcapping snd

[limber lion]

[swift dragon]

should i walways try to sync up vendetta and flag despite the 30 second cd diff ?

[limber lion]

No

You press Flag on cooldown.

[swift dragon]

oh

[limber lion]

You can try to sync the last cast.

[swift dragon]

good to know

[limber lion]

But generally just press it on cooldown.

Same with Shiv, you press it regardless of anything

[compact pumice]

Been thinking about something: If you JUST hit energy cap as shiv comes off CD, was that a bad call and you should've sent Envenom earlier or was it close enough?

[swift dragon]

if flag is about to come of cooldown and I have shiv should i save it for flag and vice versa or do i literally press everything as soon as its off cd

[compact pumice]

Like maybe losing 0.5s of energy

[limber lion]

I mean it's not a giga loss, but if you do that every single time it starts to stack up

[compact pumice]

Kk. 😦

[limber lion]

Shiv is 20 energy as well which usually means that you'll cap again between pressing Shiv and Env/Muti

[compact pumice]

It's hard to see exactly how the timers line up. Do you use weakaura to see pooling time so you can compare Shiv cd?

[limber lion]

No, you just press both on CD.

[swift dragon]

k then

[limber lion]

Here's a quick TL;DR:

[stoic needle]

I made a weakaura to tell me when to envenom and it helps quite a bit tbh

[swift dragon]

even on shit like sludge >

[stoic needle]

One sec

[swift dragon]

pls link

[old depot]

Generally speaking, how accurate is the dungeon slice sim when I'm comparing my outlaw spec vs assa?

[swift dragon]

outlaw is a lot better in dung

[compact pumice]

Sludge is it's own thing tbh

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/3WddUC3LF

[misty holly]

Whispyr assures us that dungeon slice is very accurate for rogues.

[limber lion]

1. Keep both bleeds up (Garrote/Envenom)
2. Press Shiv/Vend/Flag on cooldown.
3. Finish at 4-5 Combo points and don't overcap energy.
4. Use Finishers 30 energy before cap.

[swift dragon]

<@&224906552333697025>

can we pin this

[limber lion]

Stop

Fucking stop

[swift dragon]

why ?

its a ressource

[limber lion]

You're literally asking for a mute here.

[stoic needle]

Omg please stop pinging them lmao

[swift dragon]

and a valuable one

[rigid mango]

No we can't. And stop pinging us.

[swift dragon]

........

[brave steeple]

Dumb q but does zoldyk affect envenom initial dmg?

[swift dragon]

literally assasination content

[limber lion]

No.

[stoic needle]

No sadly

Yeah but you don't need to ping them for everything

[sinful cradle]

so you want every single assa WA pinned or

[swift dragon]

?

[shrewd night]

!mute @swift dragon 120m Stop abusing the batsignal.

[subtle tundra]

its not "a lot better" and stop thinking like that 🙂

[limber lion]

[stoic needle]

But yeah @compact pumice try this out I think it'll help

Just don't envenom when it's not glowing

[compact pumice]

This WA does it say to send even if less than 80% energy if the Env buff is running out? Just read the description

[spice socket]

Just to answer your question, there are hundreds (thousands?) of useful weak auras, to make our pins have all of them would make them next to useless because the list was so long.

[limber lion]

Yep and a lot of them get outdated very quickly

And are not kept updated.

[stoic needle]

Pandemicing the envenom buff isn't that important, but following these rules it happens naturally more often than not

[limber lion]

So we would have a storage full of useless weak auras that don't work.

[gloomy fern]

[spice socket]

I did clean up some stale ones in the pins recently so everything up there should be current

[gusty mirage]

[compact pumice]

And also, does it consider sending early to line up better with shiv (to maybe get a BS proc when you would overcap by pooling before Shiv)?

I'll try it! just wanted to know it's limitations

Thanks btw for linking it

[misty holly]

I still have my roll the bones weak aura from Legion. It doesnt work anymore they changes all the buffs 😦

thats why I play sin now

[stoic needle]

Id like to think that my auras are unique, aesthetically pleasing and up to date but I'm not super pressed to get them pinned lol

[limber lion]

Because your weak aura hasn't been updated?

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

That's the first time I've heard of a reasoning like that.

[icy crater]

its probably a joke

just saying

[gusty mirage]

I respect that logic though tbh

[grand ridge]

Roll the bones is annoying

I don't like it at all

[gusty mirage]

“Eh fuck it guess I’ll play sin”

[limber lion]

Current RtB is fine.

[stoic needle]

That's the one thing it doesn't consider, but it does tell you to slam it asap during shiv/flag/vendetta

[limber lion]

The reason it pools to max-30 energy

Is because of Blindside procs and other things.

There's a lot of different things to consider for pooling, but that's a rule that works for most situations

[compact pumice]

Okay! Will try it tho!

[limber lion]

For cleave and when playing Blindside.

[compact pumice]

I feel like bad when Shiv is up like exactly 12 seconds before vendetta. Even though it lines up with Vendetta that way by holding it I still feel like I waste a potential shiv.

[stoic needle]

Just based on my own testing in raid I found that I had more energy for shiv windows than I did when trying to do it in my own

[compact pumice]

Since if it was 13 seconds I would just send it

[sacred flax]

hey guys, does mastery increase envenom damage?

[gusty mirage]

Is there a weakaura that’ll help me not be bad at the game?

[stoic needle]

I think it's not a huge deal because you only get 2-3 vendettas during a fight, and that's only gonna happen on like one of them maybe

[gusty mirage]

Purty sure it does yes

[patent topaz]

if you look at the apl it just sends it

shiv on cd

[stoic needle]

Yeah the one that says "believe in yourself"

[limber lion]

Yes.

[patent topaz]

and on 2nd vendetta it shivs halfway through vendetta, as long as the duration is still inside vendetta

[stoic needle]

It saves shiv for 12 seconds for vendetta

[compact pumice]

With some luck yeah, sometimes you get a mechanic as soon as you pop your shit and everything lines up bad.

[patent topaz]

at least thats what it did when I looked last time

[limber lion]

This stands true.

You want to Shiv inside the Vendetta window

[stoic needle]

Gotta love shivving and then having to run out for stomp

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter if it's the first 9s or the last

[icy crater]

I hate sludgefist

[gusty mirage]

Or getting the beam every time you pop shiv or any CD on inerva, am I right boys?

[compact pumice]

Yeah but that's why 12 seconds is the magic number, I imagine

[stoic needle]

We're up to 110 pulls

[icy crater]

are u dying on or between third and 4th?

every time?

[patent topaz]

I hold vendetta until shiv has 10s cd

[gusty mirage]

You’ll get it. Just need some clean pulls up until the third/fourth pillar. Then it’ll click and you’ll slay the boss

[compact pumice]

Since it's 25s CD, 9s duration, if you get it up 11s into vendetta you still get the full 9seconds of shiv inside vendetta

[patent topaz]

personally

if its on cd

[compact pumice]

You're supposed to hold shiv for vendetta, not the other way around though

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter

[compact pumice]

Well I guess you can if you're sure of the killtimes

[limber lion]

As long as you don't miss out on a cast.

[gusty mirage]

Hopefully you’ll kill it at the same time @limber lion kills Denny so we can have a huge party in here for you guys

[compact pumice]

Well yeah, that's the silver lining

[patent topaz]

yeah, I wouldnt delay on something with precise timing like sludge

[compact pumice]

If you know approx killtimes then it's fine

[patent topaz]

but there you hold shiv anyway

[icy crater]

I feel like ppl in my guild are getting bored

[limber lion]

I mean, gonna have to step it up then because we're definitely killing Denny today

:^)

[icy crater]

Had to cancel raid tomorrow because people not showing up

[limber lion]

4 hours until CE

[gusty mirage]

I’m also okay with two parties

[icy crater]

so rip CE this tier lul

[patent topaz]

our RL has covid so he is not there today

[limber lion]

True! Same reasoning that's used for combo point capping stands for parties. 2 smaller parties are better than 1 big one!

[gusty mirage]

I get a lot of joy out of people I like succeeding

[compact pumice]

I mean, ngl that's not a good sign but only if it happens more times

[limber lion]

So you're saying... you like me?

[icy crater]

first time its happened in months but

[gusty mirage]

Yeah man! You’re awesome

[stoic needle]

Our best pull is 5%, we keep losing people on the 4th pillar

[limber lion]

[compact pumice]

There's some huge damage going out right after 4th right?

[limber lion]

I like you too, you're awesome!

[stoic needle]

I'm always the last one alive

[gusty mirage]

I wonder if it’s people tunneling and not using defensives

[stoic needle]

Yeah he just hits the wall and everyone's dead

[compact pumice]

The curse of being a rogue

[icy crater]

We haven't had a single clean lust yet and our lowest is 12% 😦

[gusty mirage]

Bonesmith is always last alive

[stoic needle]

I've thought about going Zoldyck to try to eke out that 4th pillar damage

[compact pumice]

I soloed a few of our first kills tbh

[limber lion]

[icy crater]

I thought about asking for PI on last pillar with lust and zold

[limber lion]

You do less damage overall and you swapping legendaries most definitely won't be the reason you wipe on it.

[stoic needle]

We are so inconsistent

[compact pumice]

I think I soloed HC Sire way back for Curve. Also super close on inerva

[gusty mirage]

My PI giver switched shadow guys

[stoic needle]

We get a 5% pull and then have people miss soaks and die on the first

[icy crater]

we having people miss soaks 80 pulls in

[limber lion]

Council prog today?

[icy crater]

how is that possible

[pure moth]

Good luck

[stoic needle]

Ranged

Are

Dogs

[icy crater]

Ranged are actual rabid animals

[gusty mirage]

We recleared this week so council prog tomorrow

Hopefully

[rose ermine]

Best Legendary for ass rogue?

[stoic needle]

I dunno man, if I'm consistently alive at the end, doing 3% more damage during the whole execute phase could lead to us killing him

[gusty mirage]

Also no inerva trinket yet again

[limber lion]

Doomblade for raiding, Zoldyck for M+.

[gusty mirage]

Doomblade, zoldyk for sire

[rose ermine]

kk

[timber basalt]

do you press shiv on cd even if you don't expect to envenom in the window?

[limber lion]

No, that's an illusion.

[brave steeple]

Would doomblade not just be a lot more dmg on 4th pillar with vend

[rose ermine]

what slot?

[limber lion]

You'll be at the last phase with more health remaining

Which means that the last phase is longer

[gusty mirage]

Gloves for doom, pants for zoldyk

[gloomy fern]

but then he do even more dmg

200 iq

[limber lion]

Yes

You don't care for Envenom's, you just slam Shiv whenever you can.

If you get Envenoms in, good

[gusty mirage]

Don’t be a dummy like me and craft doom on the shoulders and then get 226 shoulders from the vault and be sad

[limber lion]

If not, oh well

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck 4th pillar damage is > doomblade

[icy crater]

I thought the whole meme was 2 envenoms in your shiv window.

[gloomy fern]

i mean its not like bleeds is the big dmg on pillars

[stoic needle]

You're right, it's a meme

[limber lion]

That's correct, it's a meme

You don't do that.

[icy crater]

XD

[red pagoda]

but not like right before destructive stomp on sludge or anything that forces you out of melee for a while, right?

[stoic needle]

It's nice if you do but not s huge deal if you don't

[limber lion]

2-3 Envenoms is the goal, but if you don't get them

Then oh well

[stoic needle]

Yes, even then

No point in only shivving on pillars

[icy crater]

I've held for stomp and its fine since you don't lose a cast

[limber lion]

Actually

[brave steeple]

That’s surprising. I was hitting like 45k envenoms in MA windows on 2/4 when we prog

[rose ermine]

Also what stats should I be going for?

[limber lion]

The optimal thing is using Shiv after the first stomp

[stoic needle]

You can get one shiv on pillar and one shiv off pillar if you don't hold

[limber lion]

You'll have it up for the pillar

And you get the full value out of it by not having to move.

But it's very small

And it's easier to just slam.

[compact pumice]

I mean sometimes you have to rupture in the shiv just because the boss decides to fuck your parse up by having you run around the room.

[limber lion]

Because you're forced to hold the second Shiv on Sludge anyways

[icy crater]

you also have time to pool max resources for every single shiv in this fight

[limber lion]

So you have a few seconds to play around with.

[icy crater]

except the first one

[limber lion]

Yeh

[limber lion]

Haste and Crit is a good combo.

[rose ermine]

Kk

[brave steeple]

I’m necro tho so that might change things

[icy crater]

The highest envenom I noticed was like ~37k

I also have literally 0 mastery on gear tho

[limber lion]

My highest is 51k in 9.0

[stoic needle]

Well I mean on the specific 12 second pillar window yes doomblade will do more, but for the full 30% hp range Zoldyck does more

Hmm I should go back and see what kinda envenoms I've gotten

[compact pumice]

So necro wins on Sludge btw? Due to the extra 5% on envenom?

[stoic needle]

I dunno

[icy crater]

venth pumps pillars

[stoic needle]

And it's hard to sim

Flag does a shitton of damage on its own

Iqd is amazing for sludge btw

[brave steeple]

Necro feels very good on sludge with SBS allowing you to get wxtra envenoms into pillars but I think venth still does more

[stoic needle]

But I'm not quite used to holding trinkets yet so that feels a little wonky

[gloomy fern]

Just don't click

[icy crater]

memory also slaps

[worn path]

More or less than long pinkies?

[compact pumice]

It's also very different what top parsers are doing on sludge btw... like BS/DS is still used, most do EP/Vig and #1 is EP/MFD even

[worn path]

When you’re getting PI’s EP becomes more valuable

[tender sequoia]

after affliction nerf what would you main rogue or ele?

[compact pumice]

Many parses with or without PI, some using BS some using EP

[gloomy fern]

Destro

[compact pumice]

It's like it's totally random or doesn't matter as much as just having good luck and playing well does.

[brave steeple]

I was running BS/DS for most of prog then switched to EP/vig when we killed and it just felt more consistent but dmg was pretty much the same

[limber lion]

Kind of a random question, most probably say rogue as this is the rogue discord.

[gloomy fern]

We don't want fotm players, go ele

[icy crater]

After 9.1 comes out do you think rex will drop me berserker ring? And if so will my car blow up?

[gloomy fern]

Or wait, my parses look better with more noobs

Join the dark side

[limber lion]

Rank 1 Sire today or bust.

[tender sequoia]

maybe not all in this channels are main

so its a valid question

[limber lion]

Sure, but maybe you should ask that question in the Warlock discord instead

As you are moving away from Affliction

[tender sequoia]

im not in a warlock discord

[limber lion]

But yeah, Affli is similar to Assassination in that we both use Dots.

So

if you like the bleed/poison/dot playstyle

[grand ridge]

The meta ele spec is not fun to me. I like the big burst primal ele build

[limber lion]

But you should play both and see which fits you better.

[icy crater]

play feral druid

[tender sequoia]

i find rogue fun

assa is fun gameplay

[limber lion]

There we go then

Play Assa.

[tender sequoia]

but does it have the potencial to become the best spec in the game

i try to play only the best things in every game

[drifting cloud]

stay lock then

[tender sequoia]

lol why... blizzard clearly hates warlock

[drifting cloud]

lmao

[icy crater]

don't play rogue if you want to play the best dps in the game

[icy crater]

this deserves a ban tbh

[drifting cloud]

yeah blizz hates the best raiding class past 3 xpacs

clearly

[tender sequoia]

did you see the 9.1 ?XD

[drifting cloud]

dumbass

[icy crater]

did you see the last 16 years?XD

[tender sequoia]

im new

[icy crater]

clearly.

[compact pumice]

It's not even final yet

[tender sequoia]

im playing the second month now

[orchid elk]

[compact pumice]

Warlock is clearly one of blizzards favorite classes

[timber basalt]

hot take ngl

[tender sequoia]

how is it hot? it only good at raiding

[limber lion]

There's a lot of funny takes here.

[raven hawk]

As it seems you’re a FOTM player best spec chaser don’t play rogue.

[limber lion]

"Blizzard hates Warlocks" because they got nerfed after being the top 3 spec for a whole tier - AGAIN.

You can say that about Sub, but not about warlocks my boy.

[tender sequoia]

okay bro

[grand ridge]

If you are new and want to be a competitive dps roll a bm hunter

[dull cloak]

whats wrong with being a fotm player

[drifting cloud]

nothing

[vagrant bison]

@limber lion when you say to use finishers at 4cp, you mean all finishers, not only envenom?

[tender sequoia]

my new approach to this is not to buy another sub in 7 days

[limber lion]

Yes, you use all finishers on max-1. (4/5 for Vig, 5/6 for DS)

[grand ridge]

As a new player the class being easy to play will be more important than it being meta

[compact pumice]

Well, not the first SND!

[limber lion]

This is true, I stand corrected.

The first SnD is cast at 2-4 combo points.

Preferably 3+

[gusty mirage]

Good ol’ cut to the chase

[vagrant bison]

immediatelly the first mut right?

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[vagrant bison]

thanks man ❤️

btw, there is a point in keeping snd up in huge packs?

at the moment i feel overwhelmed by all the dot tracking in aoe, and i often forget to use snd

[gusty mirage]

Auto attacks are still a good % of our damage but tbh it’d be a nightmare keeping up CT, ruptures, garrotes, and SnD in big pulls

And probably a dps loss

[grand ridge]

It depends on the number of targets

[compact pumice]

I'm pretty sure SND is worth more than a rup during a big pack? Maybe not a CT

Just guessing though

[limber lion]

Yeah SnD is really huge even in AoE. Melee is almost always your top 3 damage dealer, even in packs.

But in M+ you should try to leave all packs with 4-5 combo points

So you can use SnD in stealth before opening on a pack

So you don't have to cast it again during the pack

[grand ridge]

And you proc ep for your garrotes too

[gusty mirage]

If you have 5-6 bleeds up that aren’t in danger of dropping off then snd would have more value than an additional rupture

[grand ridge]

Does ep buff snapshot w garrote

[compact pumice]

I did mean even before getting the 1st rupture up, but maybe that's false

[limber lion]

This true.

[limber lion]

No

[grand ridge]

Aw

[limber lion]

EP affects all of our damage dynamically.

Unfortunately.

[grand ridge]

Boo

[gusty mirage]

That’s worth looking into tbh, I think the energy regen might end up winning out but like Cev said ideally you want to use CP from the last pull

[vagrant bison]

so basically the idea is to use snd as soon as close to pulling the next pack so your subterfuge garrotes will to more dmg with higher uptime on EPoverall?

[limber lion]

Well the damage on garrotes doesn't really matter that much

[compact pumice]

But if its a long pack and SND is about to fall off since the precast, then I'm pretty sure slamming Envenom to retain SND is better than redoing a Rupture.

[limber lion]

It's just so you have SnD rolling for the whole duration of the pack

[carmine token]

So, log review q's for the 'sin hivemind. 77.6cpm, 10% energy waste, and 3% cp waste. A tad high on energy waste but not bad comparing to previous logs. What else should I look at to see what I can improve on? Opener maybe? Just looking to constantly improve and hoping to be able to review my own logs.

[limber lion]

When opening on a new pack you rarely press Envenom because you're busy throwing bleeds on everything

[vagrant bison]

isn't 10% dmg increase on empowered garrotes a big deal?

[limber lion]

So by using SnD in stealth, you guarantee a full duration SnD for the pack

Without having to use the spell yourself

[limber lion]

Bleed uptime on boss, Shiv/Covenant/cooldown usage, opener, general uptime on boss

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I could see that being better than a rupture, esp playing zoldyk’s because of the inc poison procs

And the refresh to snd

[grand ridge]

I think it really depends on the amount of mobs you are fighting too

[gusty mirage]

Yeah for sure

[compact pumice]

I was thinking target cap

If it's like 16 then doing several CT's has value too I suppose. I actually don't know how the "rotation" works on a large amount of mobs

[grand ridge]

That also depends on the amount of mobs

[limber lion]

You make sure to have 4-5 bleeds up at all times by applying multiple garrotes/ruptures on several monsters, making sure to keep CT up

[grand ridge]

With enough mobs you stop using garrote iirc

[compact pumice]

Only place I can think of is the slimes in plaguefall and maybe ardenweald urn pull.

[compact pumice]

So you don't try to put CT on more mobs than the 8?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the biggest thing is keeping up 5 bleeds, vanish + 3x garrotes is just a quick way to do that ya know?

[limber lion]

With all bleeds up it's like FoK - CT - FoK - Envenom - FoK - CT

[limber lion]

Yeah definitely

You want to have CT up on as many targets as possible

A lot of people just tunnel on spamming FoK/CT

Which causes the bleeds to drop

Which is a tragedy

Because building back up from 0 energy and 0 bleeds is soo slow

And feels really bad

[compact pumice]

Yeah. You could basically be afk then

[limber lion]

Ye pretty much

[carmine token]

Thanks Ceverion. Looks like I missed out on a handful of shivs throughout the fight.... and I guess i derped on flag too. This is for huntsman, what i see is: bleed uptime 85% garr , 92% rupt ; margore ( 79% garr, 88% rupt) ; bargast (bad because i was sitting on huntsman) ; hecutis (70% gar, 75% rupt) . The uptime seems a bit low for bleeds for me - I think I just decided not to apply bleeds if they were like 10% to death and just envenom instead. Was that a smart thing to do?

[limber lion]

CT spamming isn't really a thing because we get energy starved quickly and because the instant damage of CT isn't that giga especially with the AoE cap

[compact pumice]

Why the envenom though? Thinking in the case where CT actually always has a decent chance of hitting new targets without CT previously

[limber lion]

You should have bleeds up all the way until their death, especially Rupture.

Your bleed uptime should be closer to 98%, so it needs a bit of work.

Shiv should be used on cooldown to not miss casts, the same as Flag.

It's a good idea to Envenom toward the end and not reapply bleeds

But you don't want the bleeds to drop

Or you'll be energy starved.

[wary ice]

p sure it out dpses env at like 3 targets on just initial hit

[carmine token]

Gotcha. ty

[icy crater]

I actually have a question for my sludgefisty boys

[stoic needle]

Not anymore, you should keep garottes up on cooldown regardless of target count

[grand ridge]

Thx will give that a try

[compact pumice]

Garotte is just free energy at that point

[limber lion]

Because of the Envenom buff. You do more damage with FoK/poisons during the Envenom buff.

[limber lion]

Yeah, but that doesn't account for some things like the Envenom buff.

It's like comparing Ambush to Mutilate

[icy crater]

When do you refresh bleeds going into the pillar? You can use the stomp right before as a reference point.

[wary ice]

I was just commenting on the giga damage

[limber lion]

Where loads of people think Ambush is better because it does more damage

[wary ice]

CT kinda fucks rn

[limber lion]

But that's just not the case.

[wary ice]

it got like a 30% damage buff w/ its target cap

[limber lion]

You reapply bleeds early before the pillar hit so you'll have energy pooled before he hits the pillar

Meaning you have to reapply outside of pandemic

Just so they don't drop during the pillar.

[icy crater]

Yes I get that part

[timber basalt]

is there a way to run the boss timers from bw/dbm on a target dummy

[icy crater]

I'm wondering if you refresh before or after stomp essentially

[limber lion]

You can use /timer to set up a timer for yourself.

[limber lion]

That doesn't really matter.

[stoic needle]

I do it after the stomp

[icy crater]

I feel resource starved if I refresh after stomp but sometimes they run out before stomp

[stoic needle]

During the charge

[limber lion]

The bleeds are in pandemic during the stomp

Even if you do it before or after

It's still the same duration

[icy crater]

I like to have max or max - 1 during stomp

and shiv as he's running in

[limber lion]

Yeah as you should

[timber basalt]

yeah but I was wondering if you can have something like stomp alert play so you can practice moving out of melee range

[limber lion]

Energy pooled, max-1 cp, Flag/Shiv used

[stoic needle]

I don't like the shiv as he's running in because you miss a few seconds getting to the pillar

[limber lion]

And then you just Env/Muti on pillar

[stoic needle]

And flag does huge damage with the damage amp

[icy crater]

Our positioning is such that its 0 lost uptime

following him in

[stoic needle]

Ah yeah we have to run at least 2 seconds or so, if I shivved before he hit the pillar I'd waste part of the shiv

[icy crater]

I see

[limber lion]

Losing 4s of Flag because you use it after he hits the pillar is worse than using it 1s before he hits the pillar.

[icy crater]

I'm going to try flag same time as shiv

I was using it after pillar hit

[stoic needle]

Flag is going to last the entire pillar duration regardless

[limber lion]

No it won't

Flag is 12s, the vulnerability is 12s

[stoic needle]

It's the question of the initial hit being 8-10k crit or 16-20k crit

Flag is 24s cev

[limber lion]

Flag is 12+12

??

[stoic needle]

Yes

[limber lion]

The damage portion

Which you want

During the pillar

Is 12s

You don't care for the haste as much

You want the hits during the pillar

And the 12s after the pillar

[icy crater]

so do you want to flag as hes running or the exact moment he hits the pillar

[limber lion]

Also you said that Zoldyck does more damage than Doomblade with pillar on 30%

Which is also not true

Doomblade still wins.

[stoic needle]

I usually use flag the moment he hits the pillar

[ruby birch]

i mean doomblade buffs envenom so

[stoic needle]

No, I said that zoldyck does more damage over the whole 30%

[ruby birch]

big pumpypump

[stoic needle]

Not during the pillar

[limber lion]

The best place is EXACT moment he hits the pillar

But that's unlikely

Unless you're not paired with anyone

And can just shadowstep

[icy crater]

my warrior charges

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly

And that's incorrect.

[icy crater]

sooo 😉

[limber lion]

Doomblade still wins

[stoic needle]

Idk about that chief

[icy crater]

I should get a WA that shows the exact debuff timing

[limber lion]

I simmed it earlier

You're using feelcraft

My boy

[grand ridge]

Tfw shadowstep sludge and you die

[carmine token]

is this a hard/fast rule for percentage that i should keep in mind? This for me was usually about the dogs where I'd look at the first dog and go - okay 5% left, gonna just envenom it once and then go back to the boss. I changed Plater around for bleeds and this has been helping me keep track of multi-target bleeds now which was a good thing for me. I seem to be improving a little by little each fight, so that's positive. Now i know I can look at energy/cp loss, bleed uptime, shiv/flag usage and try to get closer to a whole picture. thanks

[stoic needle]

How do you sim for Sludgefist

[limber lion]

Using vulnerability raid events

With advanced sim

[stoic needle]

Vulnerability raid events don't take into account the uptime you lose during stomps

[limber lion]

The 1s?

No it doesn't.

That's true.

But that's not 100 dps worth

[brave steeple]

For more uptime I always position right before charge b/w sludge and pillar off to the side and you’re basically already at ur soak position if you run we charge starts

[limber lion]

Of a loss.

[icy crater]

I don't think that matters that much tbh osh

[stoic needle]

1s?

[limber lion]

No one plays Zoldyck on Sludge

[icy crater]

if you spend before stomp you're still regenning then pumping envs when ur back in range

[limber lion]

Wouldn't you think everyone would play it on Prog

[stoic needle]

How are you only losing 1s during a stomp?

[drifting cloud]

how are we still talking about zoldyck on sludge

[icy crater]

I lose maybe 5s

[limber lion]

Tell me about it.

[icy crater]

prob less actually

you dont have to instantly run out, you can follow the aoe ring

[stoic needle]

I mean I never said that it was better, I just said I was considering it

[limber lion]

No not really, you just have to look at the timers and evaluate how long the mob lives for.

As long as the rupture doesn't drop, you're good!

[limber lion]

You did say it was better though

Several times

[drifting cloud]

its actually trash

like not even close

[limber lion]

And even argued against my sims

Which prove that it's not the case.

[stoic needle]

[carmine token]

Got it, and after playing rogue for 2 weeks, I finally know what pandemic windows are

[stoic needle]

I said that it did more damage during the last 30% of the boss' hp

[drifting cloud]

theres probably 3 other legos better than zoldycks on sludge

[grand ridge]

I mean if we are talking top dps, but if there is an end of fight need for more dps

[stoic needle]

I didn't say that it was better for the whole fight

[compact pumice]

You did say it was more damage overall during the 30% yeah

[limber lion]

I don't think anyone was.

And the point still stands

It's worse for the whole fight and the last 30%

[brave steeple]

I actually think the stomp on sludge isn’t bad cause you’re pooling b4 shiv anyway

[compact pumice]

Unless you time it bad yeah

[hollow escarp]

it's a good time to feint

[limber lion]

Yeah it's fine, you lose out on some melee hits but that's it.

[icy crater]

melee hits are most of our damage but

[stoic needle]

Yeah I feint like every pillar hit

[compact pumice]

With Zold the dots ticking while you're out does do more damage, I guess is where he's getting at

[icy crater]

its not an insane loss

[brave steeple]

Envenom was like by far my highest dam on sludge

[hollow escarp]

are you even in execute phase for that?

[icy crater]

There's other things that happen when you melee a boss besides white damage

[brave steeple]

But youre still right in that it’s not a big loss

[limber lion]

The difference between Zoldyck and Doomblade during execute is quite small.

[hollow escarp]

if Sludge was a normal boss, without damage amps, zoldyck might have been better

[stoic needle]

The boss is at 30% or less for a few seconds before the last pillar and after it

[icy crater]

which is pretty sad tbh

[limber lion]

Agree.

[stoic needle]

He's been at 18% or so coming out of the last pillar for us

[limber lion]

But the issue is not Zoldyck being bad

[hollow escarp]

why is it sad though?

that's the boss design

[limber lion]

But our bleeds/poisons being weak.

[hollow escarp]

ohh, in that way

[icy crater]

talking about the lego specifically

[grand ridge]

maybe things will change later on due to stat scaling

[limber lion]

Ah no, don't think neither of us talked about Sludge

Just generally

[compact pumice]

It's sad becuase the execute legendary should be a lot better during execute I would hope

[stoic needle]

Kinda fucked that spriest gets execute for free and we have to sacrifice a legendary for it

[limber lion]

Spriest is the better Assa.

[hollow escarp]

but we have good damage all the time

[limber lion]

But their AoE is awful

And they require a talent to do AoE

So, pluses and minuses for everything.

[compact pumice]

We kinda do too

[stoic needle]

I mean, so do we

[hollow escarp]

our cleave is good even with single target talents

look at Huntsman Logs

[limber lion]

Not really

We don't need CT to do aoe damage

They literally need Seething Darkness

They do like 2k dps without it

[stoic needle]

Our aoe damage is kinda shit without ct

[limber lion]

It's not though?

[stoic needle]

Cleave is good but aoe is not

[compact pumice]

Spriest is pretty OP though, ngl, just looking at parses. I dunno how our Spriests aren't pumping hard AF. Might be hard to play?

[hollow escarp]

I've seen some nice aoe damage, without CT

[grand ridge]

spriest aoe is really complicated

[hollow escarp]

Undad had like 6.7k overall playing dashing scoundrel PB

[grand ridge]

at least in m+

[hollow escarp]

in dungeons

[stoic needle]

I mean compare us to fury warriors, windwalkers, unholy dks

Our aoe is not that good

Without ct

[hollow escarp]

we can't have them all

they don't have bleeds and poisons

[limber lion]

?????

What kind of a comparison is this

Comparing a complete spec with ideal talents

[strange python]

Which is why they always say "just go outlaw 4head" if u want stronger aoe

[limber lion]

To a spec without the ideal aoe talent

[stoic needle]

I'm saying that we need to talent into CT

[limber lion]

But we don't

[stoic needle]

To do good aoe

[compact pumice]

I mean Fury PUMPS but still don't get into M+ meanwhile rogues do

[icy crater]

i always invite fury warriors...

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/3ec5a0462ca286114997a5ea8ea92654?token=ca7c269078ca96fa86197741f5c3c026

[hollow escarp]

which is not even entirely true

[stoic needle]

All of those specs to better AOE than us without CT

[limber lion]

Here's a 40s 6T

[compact pumice]

And like, to really compete overall we would go Outlaw

[stoic needle]

40s 6t

[limber lion]

Are you saying that 12.2k is TERRIBLE and LITERALLY NO damage

Compared to CT which is 13.6k

Because it's not.

[hollow escarp]

40s 6t is a good way to check sustained aoe

[stoic needle]

I mean when a windwalker is doing like 45k+ in the same period

I'd say it is pretty bad

[limber lion]

?????

But so is the CT

Your argument is

[strange python]

True but most people think that. I think sin aoe is pretty strong if ur specced right

[limber lion]

"We need CT to do AOE damage"

And now it's suddenly

"We do bad damage compared to monks"

We're not comparing ourselves to other classes

We're comparing our damage

With

And without

CT

[icy crater]

tbh osh u got caught on that 1 hehe but I didn't know CT had that low of impact too

so ur not alone

[limber lion]

And with CT it's fine

And without CT

It's fine

I'm turning into ForeverGuy

[compact pumice]

I'm more interested in CT not being too far behind on ST

Might be our go to in later tier, depending on how well PB/CT scales with gear differently (if there even is a dfiference)

[hollow escarp]

[frail fossil]

hello mr ceverion should i run CT with mage/monk comp ?

[limber lion]

No you should quit the game because assa is very bad when compared to monk

[frail fossil]

true

[strange python]

LMAO

[hollow escarp]

[frail fossil]

or i can just reroll monk

[icy crater]

flower you already have a monk

and a dh

[hollow escarp]

and doomblade on shoulders\

[icy crater]

and that

[frail fossil]

[stoic needle]

What's the difference look like with 8 targets or 12, 6 targets isn't that much

[icy crater]

ur actually an unethical melee player

[hollow escarp]

[dull cloak]

still waiting for when hidden blades becomes meta on aoe

[frail fossil]

no this is going too far i'm a very honest player

[icy crater]

im not so sure tbh

[stoic needle]

Please no

[icy crater]

but we will see

[frail fossil]

havoc aint even meta

[hollow escarp]

I've seen somebody run Hidden Blades on Sire prog

[strange python]

I'm a shoulder andy too unfortunately...but I made it so long ago cuz I wasn't entirely sure my guild would get to a point of farming slg

[limber lion]

It's the #1 log currently

[gloomy fern]

R1 play hb

[limber lion]

So probably copying that

But I'm about to change that today

[hollow escarp]

on mythic? what?

[frail fossil]

CT at the top

[limber lion]

Yes

[dull cloak]

its super good for p1, but thats like 2/5 of the fight

[open zealot]

I have a question about enchants

I do mostly dungeon content

[frail fossil]

if they had killed sire on their 3% pull ceve would have r1 that's so unluck

[hollow escarp]

tbf, if you jump in P2 with a lot of pad on ads, it's easier to get better log

[stoic needle]

That's r1 public log

[open zealot]

I do like to do raids but its not my primary focus

[stoic needle]

The actual r1 log is like 8k something with ct

[open zealot]

how much of a loss would it be to do Sinful REvelation and Celestial vs lightless force and Celestial? in a dungeon setting

[limber lion]

It's okay, I'll get it today

[compact pumice]

How do you know?

[frail fossil]

i'm a believer

[stoic needle]

Like 20 dps

[compact pumice]

Just wondering how to see private logs

[icy crater]

well they're private so you can't

[hollow escarp]

@limber lion the guy I saw it doing it is rank 24 on SLG

[limber lion]

Yeh doesn't really matter. You can such run the normal raid enchants in m+.

[frail fossil]

who is it ?

[icy crater]

unless someone who has access to them shows you

[hollow escarp]

it's Hidden blades btw

[stoic needle]

#off-topic message

[frail fossil]

he didn't mean that one

[limber lion]

But Osh said there's one more that's private

[stoic needle]

Kavansp

[compact pumice]

But can't that just be a fake screenshot or something?

[stoic needle]

Absolute demon

[compact pumice]

Like you can't know for sure on private logs

[drifting cloud]

thats

p2 dmg

you dummy

[frail fossil]

thats P2 osho

[limber lion]

Oshos

Please

Ohsho

[frail fossil]

i mean yeah Kavansp is built different but that's not the whole fight

[limber lion]

Oh no

[drifting cloud]

I mean ksp still prolly has r1

[stoic needle]

The actual log is 7.2

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

but its not 8k

[stoic needle]

Mb

[open zealot]

ty everyone

[hollow escarp]

private logs are fake and don't exist

[frail fossil]

i mean 7.2 is still r1 ?

[stoic needle]

I'm trying to find the screenshot

But yeah

[drifting cloud]

you dont have to

people that know who ksp is know he probably has 50% of r1

[hollow escarp]

imagine you get rank 1 and guild won't let you publish it

[frail fossil]

oh yeah it's rank 1 by like 400 dps

[daring plover]

50% 😡

[drifting cloud]

sorr I rounded down

[frail fossil]

show screenshot of all the r1s

[daring plover]

❤️ allgud

[gloomy fern]

How many pis

[hollow escarp]

you don't need PI for rank 1

[compact pumice]

0 PIs and 0 raid buffs, he's just that good

[stoic needle]

Just press ya buttons

[hollow escarp]

just mutilate envenom

[daring plover]

so unethical

[compact pumice]

Do you publish a few of the r1 logs right at the release of a new tier?

[limber lion]

I just want to reclear

[hollow escarp]

I'm done with reclearing

probably for the entire season

[frail fossil]

guild reclearing but depends if i'm benchpov for the reclears

[hollow escarp]

80% logger

[frail fossil]

any 233 looters

[strange python]

mUsT bE nIcE

[limber lion]

I will get the dagger today

100%

[gloomy fern]

i just got home

soon

[frail fossil]

1000%

[hollow escarp]

killing Sire today?

[limber lion]

Ye, Sire dies today.

[frail fossil]

ceve kill sire and r1

[limber lion]

Juicy vault inc

[drifting cloud]

why are you jinxing yourself

[hollow escarp]

if I hear people wanna reclear today again, I'm gquitting

killed Council 3 weeks ago, no pulls on Sludge yet

[limber lion]

shit

[icy crater]

people in my raid are legit 221

[drifting cloud]

like your best try isnt that close to a kill

[icy crater]

idk how

[compact pumice]

w h a t

[drifting cloud]

3% on sire is alot

[hollow escarp]

recleread for bis items

[gloomy fern]

its opening

[compact pumice]

What's the point of reclearing if you don't get any progress tries?

Like

[gloomy fern]

[hollow escarp]

[drifting cloud]

Ive seen plenty of logs with 10 wipes under 2-3%

[compact pumice]

Get gear from vault like the rest of us

[limber lion]

Got the shoulders already?

[frail fossil]

i'm in on slg and sire this week i beg

[gloomy fern]

no

[limber lion]

[gloomy fern]

but chest bigger

[limber lion]

Welp

[stoic needle]

that's a good chest

[gloomy fern]

dont know gonna sim

[strange python]

I got that chest this week too. Ceit haste poggies

Crit*

[hollow escarp]

my vault was so easy today, crit/haste gloves on hands

[thorny pond]

Same

[stoic needle]

i got the fucking crit/mastery necklace

[pure moth]

Rip no weapon for u

[stoic needle]

partially malding partially happy

necro sin m+ stonks rising

[compact pumice]

I would sim what getting that chest in an m+ and upgrading to 220 compares to shoulders tbh

[icy crater]

imagine having a vault

[frail fossil]

necro is the move

dont sleep on necro

[hollow escarp]

because it's dead

[stoic needle]

M+ is the only way i can gear

[hollow escarp]

jk, gonna swap after sludge

[gloomy fern]

taking chest is just a meme

[strange python]

9.1 Nadija lookin good tho

[hollow escarp]

9.1 theotar is a meme

like 1 h buff every day

[frail fossil]

9.1 heirmir with execute

[stoic needle]

9.1 hermir

gonna be'

HUEG

[hollow escarp]

HUEG

[limber lion]

Nadja gang foreva

[frail fossil]

sudden fracture in cleave 📈

[stoic needle]

more thrill seeker reliance

[hollow escarp]

Niya

[gloomy fern]

i play nadjathar

[frail fossil]

heirmir, sudden fracture, CT zoldyck BIG EXECUTE STONKS

[gusty mirage]

📈

[strange python]

does zoldyck work with sbs

[compact pumice]

[limber lion]

Ye

[bold jetty]

hey, with zoldyck execute range i need to reapply dots/bleeds at 30% to get damage boost?

[stoic needle]

the dot yes

[strange python]

oh

[raven grove]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

No

Zoldyck works dynamically

[stable moss]

Was proging on slg and ven felt ight so I swapped to nec for last 2 fights to see if it’s easier to use for progging last 2 bosses plus the fight timer makes me thing it will do some damage overall

[bold jetty]

because i noticed when i reaply dot after 30% it deals more damage, or its just bug?

[gloomy fern]

so how big dps increase is 233 shoulders, 10dps?

[fleet anchor]

Necro is pretty fun on SLG

[stoic needle]

30

[drifting cloud]

if you have 226 with good stats yeah probably like 20

[gloomy fern]

i will know in 50%

[stoic needle]

it does more even without reapply

[bold jetty]

ok ty

[limber lion]

But Mizu, they'll be BiS

Think about it

Here, look

!bis

See!

[gusty mirage]

[gloomy fern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7U9jqa5n8VKqkFY21rUfgM yeah chest actually bigger dps increase

[hollow escarp]

funny how whenever I read an email from work about pandemic I think about bleeds and poisons

[gloomy fern]

not even memeing

[icy crater]

speaking of, where is our lord and savior?

W A K E U P

[fleet anchor]

Rainshadow is pretty much the same as the Council chest iirc

[gusty mirage]

probably in class

[gusty mirage]

the bamboozle comes full circle

[icy crater]

amazing

[fleet anchor]

so many bone spikes

[compact pumice]

So I never realized until now but BIS pvp shoulders are from Mythic SLG I guess

GJ blizz

[gloomy fern]

caved for shoulders and missing out on 4 dps

[misty holly]

Are the new soulbind trees anywhere? I want to see where the new abilities are located.

[fleet anchor]

They are located at the bottom

All of them are the same

[strange python]

But that extra stam tho!

[misty holly]

but Im guessing you can't take all 3, so it matters what conduit slots are where

[limber lion]

102 wasted combo points l0l what a noob

[gusty mirage]

woah

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

don't combo point shame him

[fleet anchor]

Potency Slot -> First passive choice -> split Finesse/Endurance slot -> final passive

Every single one is the same

[gusty mirage]

I find myself wasting so many CPs w/ bone spike lol

never thought I'd have that issue tbh

[fleet anchor]

Pretty much impossible not to "waste" CP on SBS

When you have a lot rolling

[gusty mirage]

it is super nice to cheese in a 4th and 5th envenom because of SBS

[limber lion]

Yeh

[fleet anchor]

Especially when they bug out

Like I enjoy getting 10 CP on Sire

🤣

[limber lion]

You shouldn't worry about cp waste on sbs as much

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[limber lion]

Yeh Sire is messed up

[gusty mirage]

I noticed it on inerva too

[limber lion]

I was actually considering swapping to Necro for Sire

Just because of the bug

[gusty mirage]

I had 2 spikes up (one on inerva and 1 on the big add) and we killed them and on the 2nd set I SBS the little one and it gave me full CP from 0

We take those

[fleet anchor]

Also the Seal Fate happens first iirc

so you get more overage on the SBS primary

In terms of logging

00:04:36.202    Kartra gains 1 Combo Points from Kartra's Seal Fate
00:04:36.359    Kartra gains 4 Combo Points from Kartra's Serrated Bone Spike (O: 2)

So yeah kinda hard to avoid stuff like that since it generated 7 CP lol 😄

[limber lion]

Yeeh, just enjoy the free combo points :p

I'll probably swap after Sire or after a clear or two as well.

[fleet anchor]

I managed like

300 more DPS last night on SLG than the week before, without CT.. even though I was running CT last week 😮

[gusty mirage]

ngl getting bonespike down w/ the mouse over is so hectic at times

[hazy crater]

I think I wasted like 30 combo points on denathrius because SBS just threw them at me

[limber lion]

Welp

[fleet anchor]

Pretty sure if I was running CT I would have been like almost 1k DPS higher

[limber lion]

Was the kill a lot faster or something then

[fleet anchor]

No

[limber lion]

Or did you just play it differently

Ah

[fleet anchor]

Exactly the same length

Within 2 seconds

[gusty mirage]

SBS is the oprah of combo points

[limber lion]

Welp

[fleet anchor]

I wasn't Necro last week

[limber lion]

I had the same happen to me

But I played Outlaw

[fleet anchor]

I was Night Fae

[limber lion]

Welp

So

Necro is busted.

[fleet anchor]

So one thing I did find