assassination

[spice spire]

Toxic

But not incorrect

[alpine garden]

To observe human nature is to be toxic

[verbal mantle]

it's also the swamp

[desert rain]

That statement is toxic

[turbid geyser]

Is the bleed from the talent "Internal Bleeding" applied to targets that cannot be stunned, such as bosses?

[gusty mirage]

I would never do that to you, other people? Sure

[strange python]

the big oof

[soft shale]

oof

[gusty mirage]

[compact pumice]

Gotta play the mission table lottery for a week then!

[strange python]

That was just after completing it 😦

[soft shale]

if he is venth he is out of luck those missions are hard as f

[thorn slate]

!leg

woa

[gloomy fern]

i cleared them ez

[cobalt flame]

just woke up and i guess i already have orgasm

[compact pumice]

When I swapped from NF all my troops were still lvl 43 and my neutral companions was 43 too. So I am actually almost caught up already 😮 So actually haven’t had problems as venth at all

[soft shale]

yea not when your bois are like lvl 20

and the mission is lvl 60

XD

[gloomy fern]

brought meatball etc with me

[soft shale]

yea meatball is 52 for me

[compact pumice]

Just go meatball and troops :S

[gloomy fern]

i did draven meatball paladinguy, nadija +1

cleared it very ezpz

[soft shale]

although tbh right now it's not worth doing the ash missions for me they take 24h can do many others in that time

[stoic needle]

That feel when there's nothing left to strive for

[subtle tundra]

make an alt 🙂

[final star]

what about raid

[stoic needle]

Don't have time

[stoic needle]

Imagine being in a guild

[final star]

not playing rogue = got time

[compact pumice]

Hmmm, just make a survival hunter. Gear it up. Then you’re ready if blizzard decides to flip the dps meters upside down

[stoic needle]

My trial got cancelled this week

[final star]

[soft shale]

i found a guild

[final star]

I'm maintaining 3 characters atm

Big fun

[soft shale]

im getting a gear mastery set ready so that makes me entertained at least

[stoic needle]

I can push my io this week and farm stygia for some more sockets but that's about it

[final star]

or

don't do that

and have fun on a new character

[stoic needle]

I'd rather just not play and do irl stuff than level an alt quite frankly

And I don't want to start an alt kn a dead server and have to pay more money when I do find a guild and transfer

[final star]

nothing to do irl either

except go tesco

make alt on pumper server

[gusty mirage]

Make an alt on a52 and hang out with us!

[final star]

[gusty mirage]

All the cool kid Americans are on a52

[spice spire]

Make another sin rogue to skip transferring fees

[final star]

the giga brain play

[gusty mirage]

I’ll funnel you gear to boot

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

TFW mal’ganis gamer

[stoic needle]

The idea of leveling again makes me want to quit the game

[spice spire]

All the more reason to do it

[final star]

I've almost done all 11 classes

12, even

[spice spire]

Yike

[lean coral]

ive pushed 4 toons to 1800 to get the elite mogs

ive been bored af

[final star]

got lock and hunter at 55ish

and priest/warrior/pally left after that

everything else be 60

[spice spire]

I have 4 and hate life for it tbh

[final star]

I mainly did it to learn what they do

much easier in practice

[ebon thorn]

I miss Whispyr

[strange python]

Does flagelation crit

[soft shale]

yes it can crit

[hushed marlin]

leveling in retail is pretty easy/quick

[stoic needle]

[hushed marlin]

just spam dungeons

[stoic needle]

It's boring and unfun

[spice spire]

It’s better than classic leveling

At least

[hushed marlin]

i loathe leveling this hunter in classic. still at 49 and its my first alt

[spice spire]

I also level with guildies so it becomes tolerable

[gloomy fern]

Just buy 60 boost in a few months

[mossy crown]

so I'm currently sat crit:28%, hastes:22%, mastery:22%, vers:8% :/

[stoic needle]

Somehow it's worse

Classic leveling is slow but fun

[subtle tundra]

how is classic fun

[hushed marlin]

getting hunter to 60 so I can boost a druid

[stoic needle]

And actually somewhat challenging sometimes

[subtle tundra]

in classic you literally do nothing

[hushed marlin]

i've leveled like 4 retail chars in the time I got my hunter from 40-49

[stoic needle]

Why the sad face those stats are fine

Nearly identical to mine and I pump

[stoic needle]

Sounds like you're a slow lever

[hushed marlin]

oh I am

i hate it

[stoic needle]

Hunters are really fast to level

[hushed marlin]

i just hate leveling in classic

[mossy crown]

@stoic needle oh? I wasn't to sure if more haste would be better.

[stoic needle]

If it doesn't sim better it isn't

[mossy crown]

Raidbots confuses me man

well I thought I understood logic is throws a curve ball, suppose that's why you 'sim yourself'

[gusty mirage]

You probably have more haste than like 60% of the channel. Don’t worry about secondaries just let the robot overlords at raidbots tell you what to equip

[spice spire]

There’s only one truth in simming

[mossy crown]

cheers my man, will do

[gusty mirage]

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

You know what would make venthyr even better? Being able to invite friends to your ember court

“Look at me clean these rock piles up, aren’t you jealous?”

[strange python]

So I bought 3 tokens from venari to try and get 226 conduits

[stoic needle]

Flexin with the homies

[gusty mirage]

Welcome to assa sir

We have candy

[spice spire]

That’s a W actually

[stoic needle]

Considering sin only uses lashing now I think you lucked out

[chilly crane]

this week is zoldyck week I imagine?

[strange python]

yeah aye

got the big 3 for the most part

[stoic needle]

Yep

[stoic needle]

I need like 2 more sockets before I go conduit gambling

[gusty mirage]

Your meme game is so strong, I’m jealous

[chilly crane]

which powers to focus on for twisted corridors guys?

[gusty mirage]

The one where shadowstep makes things melt + vein rippers

[spice spire]

I can send you my collection of dubs if they’re ever needed, friend. Robbie Lyle must be shared with all

[gusty mirage]

I can’t just take your memes, I just have to try harder to build a solid collection. You inspire me

[final star]

big don robbie

[spice spire]

The dub father

[strange python]

robbie the legend !

[cursive lava]

Hello. I have checked the pinned messages and understand that Master Assassin is the best talent for ST in raid but could someone explain to me how to make the most out of this talent? Are there ways to enter stealth multiple times during some fights other than just vanish? Sorry I am new to rogue this expansion. Thank you for any information you can give.

[stoic needle]

No, it's best for ST just from the initial use from stealth and after every vanish

All of the other talents in that row also only get used once at the beginning and after every vanish

[cursive lava]

Okay. And without the bonus damage on garrote, is it still a priority? or do you wait for Master Assassin buff to fall off before applying garrote?

[compact pumice]

You wait yes

[cursive lava]

Thank you so much.

[compact pumice]

Opener starts Muti > SND > Muti

So then garrote after MA window is over

[prisma perch]

is sire ring good on sin?

[plain thistle]

yes, 233 ilvl with a lot of haste

[prisma perch]

is it bis?

i mean even at lower ilv

[plain thistle]

probably not, if you can only get a 220 one

you can get better ones with 226 ilvl

[prisma perch]

okay ty

[final star]

cos rings don't have agi sometimes lower ilvl can be better in my experience

same with neck

[mossy crown]

I should always hold flag for vendetta?

[stoic needle]

No, use it on CD

[mossy crown]

before using shiv pool energy?

to allow for 2/3 envenoms

[stoic needle]

Outside of shiv, don't evenom until 70% energy

That takes care of all pooling you need to do

[heavy skiff]

I just envenom when there is 2 seconds left on envenom buff

[hazy ether]

so assa playstyle is to always w8 on energy for more envenoms and mutilates for a short burst window?

am i right?

and poisoned knife or mutilate when u ahve 4 CP?

4CP envenom good or never do it

kinda new so pls help

[heavy skiff]

Finish at full Cp-1

So if u play deeper y can finish at 5

[hazy ether]

with 17% haste deeper or vigor?

[final star]

Never poisoned knife

[hazy ether]

to play deeper how much haste u need

[final star]

Unless you need to keep at range

[winter vapor]

what are the general weapon enchants we want to use?

[final star]

Celestial/sinful

One of each

[winter vapor]

ty

[thin obsidian]

anyone know any nice pop macros? or any macro that makes my dps easier?

[tulip tide]

hey so how does haste exactly work with rupture? are there tick breakpoints, or is it more dynamic?

(and garrote i guess)

[lean coral]

There's not anything to macro

You keep bleeds up

Generate and spend cp

If you have a 2min trinket you could macro to vendetta I guess

[stoic needle]

Sim it

[stoic needle]

There technically are breakpoints but if you're refreshing in pandemic it doesn't matter. Tick rate is 2/(1-haste)

[vale marten]

any1 have a simple pandemic wa for garrote and rupture? like the icon changes color or something simple like that

[strange python]

hey my fellow ass rogues, what would be the smartest piece to put doomblade on?

i guess i will never get 226 raid shoulders

*233

hands

[limber lion]

Then it doesn't matter. Choose whichever you want

[heavy skiff]

If u will never get 233 shoulders then it doesnt matter

[limber lion]

Whichever is the bigger upgrade for you right now

[strange python]

thx

[fresh raven]

You guys got any assassin streamers doing high keys?

[bright elk]

I think Infexious does high key streaming

[vital haven]

https://www.twitch.tv/ryfietv

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Not posting about the boy Deï? Cringe

[stoic needle]

Watch infexious if you want to be bad at the game

[gusty mirage]

No respect for Dei in here

[grizzled trail]

Yikes

[vale marten]

hahaahahaha

[spice spire]

I don’t need help for that, ty.

[dull cloak]

Are we bashing infexious again

[spice spire]

Always and forever ❤️

[gusty mirage]

I heard something about being bad, I'm kind of a big deal at being shit at the game so if anyone has any questions I'll be here all day

[shadow pivot]

Hey guys, do you know if the API for Necrolord sims changed over the course of the week?

[gusty mirage]

the simc github might have something about it

[spice spire]

Link sims and we can compare how shit we are.

[stoic needle]

Yeah some new optimizations were added apparently

[spice spire]

I’m king here

[shadow pivot]

Because I switched to Necrolord mostly just to get it to renown 40 so that every of my covs are maxed out

I was simming 6750 yesterday as shiny venthyr and im now a chad 6850 necrolord?

which was ~200 lower a week ago

when I checked

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rg5crVEYrAMwMhb6fDLiSj

[gusty mirage]

I'll just link my 10 and 8 parses on our first two m inerva kills

I have the logs to prove I'm shit at all THREE specs

[shadow pivot]

VS Venthyr

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/94kN11SSejBjWFSkeu5MdU

[gusty mirage]

just don't look at heroic sludge @spice spire

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

I’m a blue parsing god on heroic

[gusty mirage]

shit I improved my low blue on hungering destroyer as assa

[stoic needle]

Am I going to have to be stinky

[gusty mirage]

you don't have to be stinky

[stoic needle]

That deeps though

[spice spire]

Stinky

[gusty mirage]

FINE ABANDON ME OSH

[shadow pivot]

I meant to switch back to venthyr asap but if I'm doing a better single target in tonight reclear as well as getting a better cleave due to SBS I might stay there

[gusty mirage]

necro vs venthyr ST was already pretty close tbh

[icy crater]

no kill sadge

[gusty mirage]

@icy crater you'll get it this week 🙂

[icy crater]

4 hunters

[stoic needle]

I'm honestly thinking about quitting raiding and only doing keys

[icy crater]

yet can't fucking kick

[alpine garden]

Part of me says switch to venthyr part of me says stay night fae because it will come round to being best in 9.1 probably

[icy crater]

shoulda just leveled them both

tbh

[shadow pivot]

9.1 is still a long way to go, might as well push all covs to 40 just in case there is no catch-up system or smth

[icy crater]

i hvae 2 to 40 and one to like 35

[shadow pivot]

• you get to test things by yourself which helps alot more than just reading it

[spice spire]

Is it quitting if you never found a guild?

[shadow pivot]

I thought SBS was super boring but it actually smoothes out your burst window alot

no more wait-for-energy during vendetta shivs

[thorn slate]

best stats to put on the legendary? (doomblade)

[stoic needle]

Yes

[spice spire]

Haste and vers or crit

[gusty mirage]

I offered osh my spot in raid

but my guild won't let me quit

I'm being held hostage

[stoic needle]

[thorn slate]

How much haste should one aim for?

% wise?

[gusty mirage]

whatever raidbots tells you to equip

[thorn slate]

lol ok

[gusty mirage]

just top gear everything

it'll always tell you the best combo of your gear

[thorn slate]

oh right, is there anyway to sim without conduits?

[gusty mirage]

I suppose you could just unclick all the conduits & soulbind options in top gear

[shadow pivot]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[arctic folio]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow jolt]

how much haste is minimum for sin

[gusty mirage]

above 0%

[subtle tundra]

imagine not playing necrolord with dauntless duelist

[gusty mirage]

[hollow jolt]

can't tell if this is troll or not

[gusty mirage]

It's not, there is no minimum %

more haste will make the opener feel smoother, but that's about it

[sleek junco]

Best time to use totem trinket?

[gusty mirage]

are people using the shadowgrasp totem now?

[sleek junco]

well bloodmallet says its one of the better ones

[gusty mirage]

interesting

[pearl goblet]

Hello guys, which legendary would you recommend for PvP ?

Mostly gonna play rbgs

[dull cloak]

finality :)

[gusty mirage]

[pearl goblet]

[gusty mirage]

MA is fine for pvp

[vital haven]

prob ask in the #pvp channel but ive personally seen pvp rogues run ma or doomblade

[dull cloak]

if your job is fok rupture spam in teamfight try it. No memes

[gusty mirage]

rogue job in rbgs is to afk at gold mine

[dull cloak]

yea but thats boring

[thorny rose]

I use MA in rbgs

[raven hollow]

Or if you like having fun, garroting the fuck outta the healers

[gusty mirage]

same

[pearl goblet]

i will probably play the most annoying rogue in rbgs

just jump on their back lines a lot

[thorny rose]

that’s the way to do it

MA burst probably suits you then

[raven hollow]

That's the class, yeah

[pearl goblet]

first im gonna play for fun later when i decide to push more then 2.1k i will afk on bases 😄

thanks !

[thorny rose]

[pearl goblet]

ma it is

im also necro, its should work well with Marrowed Gemstone

[gusty mirage]

plus MA is versatile for all 3 specs + dif content too

[raven hollow]

Ok for a rogue that primarily plays Outlaw in M+, are there a few dungeons that are better to run Sin once you have the gear? I'm thinking of swapping for DoS and Mists but idk if I should just be sticking to what I know works for me and my comp

[gusty mirage]

just stick to outlaw if you're worried about M+ tbh

[strange python]

Rogue job in rbgs is not to afk gold mine

Holy shit

[gusty mirage]

unless you're genuinely bored, then you can make assa works in all dungeons

it just requires a lot more set up

rather than BF + send it

[strange python]

BF+send it is so chill

[raven hollow]

My thought is that it's better priority damage for something like Hakkar

[gusty mirage]

I mean its worth tinkering with it even if its because you want to try something new, and who knows what the future might bring w/ conduit & legendary tweaks

[thorny rose]

yeah, even if you don’t end up using it for this specifically, you’re still making a good investment by being versatile and able to play multiple specs when needed

[stoic needle]

BF+send it is pretty chill tbh

honestly i'm not convinced that sin does better single target than outlaw with M+ talents :x

sin is more effort but also more fun

[midnight thistle]

should i see the 50% crit on master assassin talent on my secondary stats while in stealth like the legendary one does?

[shy dust]

No

[stiff mountain]

do people pre mfd?

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

You pre-mfd in raids if you talent into it

You pre-mfd in M+ on every pack that you do

[stiff mountain]

i mean like

can u MFD then change back t oDS

for slice and dice

[limber lion]

No you cannot.

[stoic needle]

you can but you're trolling your raid to make them wait that long

[stiff mountain]

ok

[surreal halo]

How do you guys at mythic sludge? First and third, or pull, 2 and 4?

[stoic needle]

you have to wait the whole MFD cd before changing talents

[limber lion]

I've tried all the possible cheeses there is

And I can tell you that that doesn't work.

Holding CP will just reset the CP when you swap

Using SnD will just reset SnD when you swap

[gusty mirage]

just do it on one of the neutrals in plaguefall, kill it, and then switch

[stoic needle]

does it really?

[limber lion]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

I miss the IQD trinket swap cheese

[stoic needle]

dammit blizzard let us be degenerates

[limber lion]

Cheese is fun

Blizzard hates fun

[gusty mirage]

it was super fun having like 42% vers on pull

the largest example: MA leggo not affecting wake weapons anymore

[stoic needle]

HONESTLY

[limber lion]

You do get Elaborate Planning when you use SnD and swap

And that doesn't reset

[gusty mirage]

lmao

#worth

[stoic needle]

i never got a big >10k overall with nw weapons

[limber lion]

So technically you can have like 4s of Elaborate planning if you pull it off succesfully

But if you have someone prepull, it fucks everything up

[gusty mirage]

I got a fat 16k dps on the 2nd boss w/ weapons like twice before the change

[stoic needle]

10% extra damage on 2 mutilates poggers

[gusty mirage]

now I'm just sad

[stoic needle]

i will never forget literally two tapping stitchflesh with javelin+hammer

he didnt even live 10s

[limber lion]

Okay I found a way to MFD prepull and still have Slice n Dice active after swapping

But it's pretty bug abuse and I don't think it should exist

Or just clever use of game mechanics?

[gusty mirage]

it depends on how you define it

As a lawyer, I can confirm that plausible deniability is the best defense

[limber lion]

Well when you swap talents, it normally resets your CP/SnD

So it definitely is intended to work that way

[stoic needle]

go on

[vital haven]

ye go on

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/seven-brad-pitt-box-whats-in-the-box-gif-3386206

@limber lion

[toxic tusk]

When people say damage in M+, what level mythics are they talking?

[limber lion]

Just did a +18 SD and was at 7k overall.

[gusty mirage]

Depends on the context I suppose, usually people talk about 15s-19s/20s

[toxic tusk]

I haven’t seemed to notice any issues until about 13, and then I’m just low on trash and high on bossfights.

[limber lion]

Usually the higher the key, the more damage you do as Assa

Up to a certain point

[stoic needle]

yep

[toxic tusk]

Yeah. My single target does pretty well.

[gusty mirage]

I feel like I'm actually terrible, I haven't; sniffed 7k overall as either sin or outlaw lol

[stoic needle]

when i was pushing ksm i would do about 6k average in a 15

[toxic tusk]

I’m at ilvl 214 and can usually pump some relatively decent numbers.

I’m mostly just raiding though on heroic.

[rugged dragon]

Guys, I totally forgot. But what was the opener again?

Using flag, ofcourse.

[storm forum]

do we have a !opener command?

[gusty mirage]

no

[storm forum]

idk the flag opener, i dont wanna play DS just yet

[gusty mirage]

flag goes before the rupture in the opener

its the same otherwise

[rugged dragon]

That does not help, if I dont know the opener :/

[limber lion]

Single target with the Master Assassin talent:
Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - Flag - Rup - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti (until 5-6 cp) - Env, etc.

[rugged dragon]

Awesome, Thanks alot.

I was searching for that one, but couldnt find it.

[limber lion]

You're welcome.

[toxic tusk]

I’ve been using mutilate, SND, mut, garrotte, shiv, rupture, then start popping vendetta/flag/stuff.

But I’m not that good.

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's my own

[gusty mirage]

I was typing it @limber lion

[limber lion]

It's not posted anywhere, I just have all openers ready whenever someone asks

That I can just copy/paste

[toxic tusk]

How very ceverient.

[limber lion]

But you can just refer to !guide to get more info

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[storm forum]

I feel like you should just C&P that and have someone pin it

[limber lion]

Sowwy

[storm forum]

how do you do that box around it?

thats cool

[gusty mirage]

I'm still waiting for the super secret way of keeping my snd w/ a talent switch sir

[limber lion]

It's quite simple to figure out tbh, not sure if I should share it though or not

Maybe I should, doesn't really matter I guess

It's just a free SnD

literally max 3 gcd's

[gusty mirage]

tbh you shouldn't, if we've learned anything from the !bis list it's probably not going to be very helpful for most

lol

[urban shadow]

mfd , snd, spec swap

[soft shale]

the secret is out we're done guys

[gusty mirage]

rip

time to delete my rogue

I WAS NEVER HERE

[stoic needle]

[soft shale]

the sub police will come

[gusty mirage]

I'd like to reference the weird translations screenshot from yesterday where Subtley = Illusion

[urban shadow]

time to retype your !opener with this new info

[gusty mirage]

dis one

[storm forum]

I always did feel like thematically, sub should be the leather pet class instead of monk .-.

[gusty mirage]

Also, petition for Cheat Death to be called Jump Off The Shovel from now oon

[limber lion]

Hard disagree

Sub is all about shadows

[urban shadow]

I read that as "Sub is all about shovels"

[storm forum]

yeah and i feel like anime-style shadow clones or something would fit right in there

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Yeah that could work

I don't see it running around with a giant tiger though

:p

[storm forum]

yeah thats fair

[gusty mirage]

I personally would like a giant tiger that does damage based on how much damage I do

[stoic needle]

sub with a shadow clone pet that mimics all of your abilities

would be

so fucking sick

[soft shale]

well sub would need a shovel to dig around the grave it was thrown into

[stoic needle]

but i don't trust blizzard to do it properly

[gusty mirage]

[storm forum]

yeah the SEF clones always just felt to me like that should be a sub thing, but with the shadow priest glow around them

[gusty mirage]

the soil's still fresh from the grave BfA threw it in

[stoic needle]

could you imagine the PVP malding

[shy dust]

no please

[urban shadow]

Secret Technique is kinda like that

[stoic needle]

getting shadowstriked by the rogue + 2 clones at the same time

[shy dust]

clones is one of the worst ability in the game

[soft shale]

when you fight vs the other 2 players

[gusty mirage]

what do you mean, they're used to the ret pallies w/ 20k wake of ashes crits

they'll just shrug and accept it at this point

[shy dust]

that contributes greatly to WW being very buggy

[limber lion]

I was R1 in Nya Heroic Pre-patch, it was pog

[stoic needle]

ok but imagine for a moment that it wasnt buggy, wouldn't it be badass

[gusty mirage]

PVPers have been broken emotionally

[storm forum]

yeah but sub doesnt have WDP or FoF

[soft shale]

everyone forgets palas AUTOING for 20k

[shy dust]

no

sub works as is

[soft shale]

like a literal WHACK

[shy dust]

it doesnt need

[soft shale]

20k

[shy dust]

some major reworks

[storm forum]

like none of the weird channeling stuff that seems to fuck with SEF

[stoic needle]

you are no fun rae

[shy dust]

just lowering of dance uptime and making it more powerful

[gusty mirage]

just kite them so you die from 17k final verdicts 4head

[soft shale]

they can hammer toll you from 20 yards

[stoic needle]

you cant tell me that sub with shadow clones wouldn't be fucking badass

[gusty mirage]

"Just kite them"

I was watching my buddy do 3s yesterday on his shaman, the ret pally ponied to him and just crit him for 23k w/ final verdict

[storm forum]

they dont need to full rework sub, just turn secret technique into SEF

and pray it doesnt bug to shit

[gusty mirage]

See that's the rub, it will 110% bug to shit

[storm forum]

i wanna see it

[shy dust]

then play monk

so you get to experience it

sub rogue does not need that

[storm forum]

see, monk doesn't have rupture

and i cant play specs without DoTs

[shy dust]

monk also isnt a rogue

[stoic needle]

you're missing the point entirely

i said

if it wasn't buggy

it would be badass

[shy dust]

no its not

why does sub need to be reworked

[storm forum]

it doesn't

[shy dust]

for the thousandth time already

[storm forum]

it plays well

[shy dust]

being a pet class is boring

the fundamentals of sub is fine

it just needs talent tuning and general ones

[stoic needle]

sub has no big impactful button atm, its just an idea for one

[storm forum]

I'm not even talking about gameplay stuff, I just think that SEF with a darker palette would fit sub better thematically than monk

tbh I feel like SEF as is fits shaman better than monk

thematically

not game playwise

[shy dust]

Shadow dance

is still an impactful ability

despite it having large uptime

[stoic needle]

when you spend most of your time in dance it doesn't feel impactful anymore

[frigid cipher]

Hey friends, will dauntless duelist jump to hunstman after first doggy dies?

[stoic needle]

yep

[frigid cipher]

thank you

[stoic needle]

you should just hit huntsman first

because you'll have more uptime on him overall

[frigid cipher]

but the blindside on doggy?

[limber lion]

Problem #1

[stoic needle]

you should run EP instead of blindside for huntsman

[limber lion]

playing Blindside on Huntsman

[frigid cipher]

got it 🙂

[tribal mauve]

Guys, what do you think is better on sludge prog ? EP/blind // DS/vigor

[limber lion]

EP Vig

[tribal mauve]

Thx again @limber lion 👌

[limber lion]

Happy to help

[storm forum]

is that cause EP is more burst on the pillars/cant control blindside procs on pillars?

(I'm currently proging on sludge and wanna know)

(and i've been playing blindside)

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much. You also don't get much value out of Blindside's execute because the groups usually lust the last pillar

Should just aim to pump as much damage as you can during the pillars.

Saving Shiv (and MFD if using that) for every single pillar, Flag/Vendetta/Vanish synced up for every other pillar.

[storm forum]

thanks

[simple igloo]

What's the priority of Crimson Tempest vs Rupture in AoE?

[limber lion]

CT always up whenever possible

[brittle pawn]

whats the priority of aoe vs st in aoe??

[stoic needle]

i mean dots are our aoe

[limber lion]

Ruptures give energy so you do more damage.

And Rupture is your highest damage dealing ability after CT

[simple igloo]

^that's why I was unsure^ thanks

[limber lion]

So I think it's a pretty valid thing to ask

On 2 targets you rupture both before CT, on 3+ you CT first before you apply ruptures

[simple igloo]

thanks for the guidance

[storm forum]

man I'm doing the napkin math rn

and CT is such a good ability

[soft shale]

now do napkin math and see why exsang is such dog

[ruby ingot]

In m+ should I be spamming CT Right after 3 garrottes or wait till it’s expiring

[storm forum]

it's DoT is only ~20 dps less than rupture (although it has half the duration) and it comes with good instant damage (only like ~1.5* base of fan)

[brittle pawn]

you dont ever spam ct, you maintain

[limber lion]

Wait till what is expiring?

[soft shale]

pandemic is around 4 secs on that one

[ruby ingot]

Yep sock

[storm forum]

is pandemic 30% of the original DoT duration?

[ruby ingot]

I meant spamming CT at max points for the instant dmg

[limber lion]

No, it's 30% of applied dot duration.

[ruby ingot]

Then rupturing

[limber lion]

No, you don't do that ever.

[tiny ember]

On sludge do we shiv of cd or do we use once inbetween pillars then hold to use on the pillar ?

[limber lion]

You use it once, then you apply ruptures to everything, and you keep ct's bleed on everything

[limber lion]

You use Shiv on every single pillar, meaning that you have to hold your Shiv for every pillar.

You can use one Shiv between each pillar, but hold the second one

[ruby ingot]

Ok that’s what I usually do, and I hear people say CT should be top dmg in m+ buts it’s like 5th or 6th

[tiny ember]

so i get one use in between pillars then hold thank you very much

[limber lion]

Yes, good luck! 🙂

[gusty mirage]

Cev for green name

[spice spire]

5th or 6th seems low, but too I’ve deadass never had it be

[ruby ingot]

That’s why I asked if I should be spamming it more

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion I need Cev merch in my life

[ruby ingot]

But maybe that’s because last week was tyrannical

[limber lion]

You should have the bleed on all enemies at all times

You don't spam it for the instant damage

And even then it should be your #1 or #2 ability.

[limber lion]

Not sure what my merch would be like, probably something Sin themed. :p

[gusty mirage]

that was my sub badges on twitch cuz I pushed keys as sin

but then SL happened

[storm forum]

you can "spam" CT on 7+ targets if you already have 5-6 DoTs up and they are not in danger of running out but that's pretty rare

[gusty mirage]

so now I have vendetta badges and I play outlaw in keys

[limber lion]

In fact not possible.

[limber lion]

Traitor!!

[gusty mirage]

Blizzard was the one who betrayed me

[ruby ingot]

Wat if you garrotte three vanish garrotte three more plus 1 then spam it

[limber lion]

No, STOP talking about spamming

YOU NEVER SPAM

[gusty mirage]

only thing you'd spam in FoK

[storm forum]

not worth it, get 2 more ruptures up

[limber lion]

You literally never spam.

How many times do we have to say it?

You. Never. Spam.

https://gyazo.com/d66118a7a08588943262e9a74b9dada6
Here's a dungeon I just did

And I never spam

[gusty mirage]

4x garrote -> CT -> FoK -> Rupture until you have 5-6 bleeds up, keep up CT

[limber lion]

That's +18 SD

[ruby ingot]

I heard you I was talking to the guy saying spam with 7 targets with bleeds

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion that w/ zolds?

[compact pumice]

Is that MA NS build? 😄

[limber lion]

Nah, MA + EP/NS/MFD/CT

[limber lion]

Yep :p

[gusty mirage]

hmmmmmmmmmm

Do I just full send assa keys?

[storm forum]

my magical christmas land scenario still stands, you need 5-6 bleeds up that are not in danger of falling off for a "spam CT" to be good

[thorny rose]

yeah

[ruby ingot]

So wat is your opening with that build ceverion

On a pack of 5

[storm forum]

the thing it, you're still using CT like every 3rd finisher cause the pandemic window for a 5CP CT is 4 seconds

[limber lion]

With that build? SnD from previous pack's combo points - MFD from Stealth - Open with CT

Then Fok - Rup - Fok - Rup - Gar

[ruby ingot]

Oh ok that’s wat I expected

[limber lion]

Using Shiv on cooldown, Vend/Flag/Vanish on prio targets and as often as possible

[gusty mirage]

do you switch lethal poisons or poisoned katar for that?

or just keep lashing?

[limber lion]

I had Lethal Poisons + Lashing with Nadja yeah

[storm forum]

is NS good? I havent played it since legion

[limber lion]

I think Theotar with Wasteland is better, I just don't like the randomness of the umbrella that much

[ruby ingot]

It’s good for one shorting

[toxic tusk]

Wait what am I supposed to spam?

[limber lion]

It's pretty cheesy but definitely great if you snapshot CT with it.

[gusty mirage]

Well then, I'm full sending assa keys

my group might hate me, but sucks for them

[thorn slate]

reading about rotation on icy veins, why should one use Mutilate over Ambush as the opener? (With master assasin as talent)

[storm forum]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[limber lion]

I mean if you blast then surely they can't complain? :^)

[gusty mirage]

I mean I'm not blasting as outlaw rn, struggling to hit 6k overall so I'm sure they'll get over it

[ruby ingot]

Wat ilvl are u ceverion

[tight ginkgo]

For sin keys, I do miss gouge but when running subterfuge the crew has noticed the iron wire silence

[limber lion]

222 with that build, 225 in raids.

[dense bramble]

since we have pillar every 1min and shiv cd is 25s, we can shiv 2 times and still have it up at pillar start, isn't it?

[ruby ingot]

Hmm

[dense bramble]

i believe i've done this way

[ruby ingot]

Is it worth using doomblade on tyrannical week

[limber lion]

You can use 2 Shiv's in the very beginning, but not after that

[limber lion]

Not really, just run Zoldyck instead.

[ruby ingot]

Oh

[dense bramble]

oh right! i remember shiving after every ground stomp, and the second stomp is exactly the pillar ^^

[limber lion]

I'm a firm hater of Doomblade in M+. You rarely ever pull just 3 mobs

[spice spire]

The extra silence is noticeable. It’s swapping - but gouge is a huge loss for us dagger boys 😦

[limber lion]

If you pull 4 mobs, you get 0 value out of Doomblade

[spice spire]

But theater on tyrannical

I’m arguing by 99% of the time, you should go Zoldyck in keys. There are very VERY niche times that doom is acceptable

[ruby ingot]

No u would take the normal talent build but have doomblade for bosses

[limber lion]

Big disagree

The current MA + NS build > Zoldyck

[dense bramble]

not even just for boss damage at tyrannical? my doomblade is 235 and my legs is 213. My zoldyck is 190 and my doomblade replacement is 197. Would it still be worth running zoldyck?

[limber lion]

Yes. Doomblade is not that big honestly

You only get value out of it on bosses, but 0% on packs.

It's not like you do 9k dps with Doomblade and 7k with Zoldyck

It's more like

[dense bramble]

i mean about the general stats loss

[limber lion]

9k with Doomblade and 8.7k with Zoldyck

[spice spire]

Oh, I wasn’t even including MA in the conversation. MA NS is the move. But on the linear subject of Doomblade and Zoldyck

Yeah

[storm forum]

i feel like I would rather have zoldyck for the first and last bosses of ToP anyways

[dense bramble]

it's quite a lot ilvl

[limber lion]

Still no.

[spice spire]

The MA NS CT snapshot is

[limber lion]

It's so much fun as well

[storm forum]

how does that work with EB btw?

[limber lion]

I mean, yeah, but CT is much better.

[storm forum]

err i meant EP

[limber lion]

Yes.

You should run the MA legendary with EP/NS/MFD/CT talents

[ruby ingot]

Snd with combo points from the last pack to get ep then mark CT max combo points from stealth I guess

[drowsy coral]

Subt vs MA on huntsman MM ? Logs seems to lean way more towards MA, is it because you can't have a high dot uptime on the second doggo ?

[storm forum]

well i guess im playing around with that tomorrow when I'm running shitter keys

[limber lion]

You should sim yourself in 2 targets.

But I would highly recommend Subt myself.

Also you should have 100% bleed uptime on the boss and all dogs at all points.

Or at least 95-98%.

[thorn slate]

How much haste does most of you have?

[limber lion]

15%

[storm forum]

20% as NF

[drowsy coral]

So I guess you'd sinc bleed refresh on the second dog when the tank brings him back ? mmh

[strange python]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

The only dog that should be moving is Barghast

The others should just be next to the boss at all times

You dot Barghast up before tank takes him away

[drowsy coral]

I did, but is it really representative on huntsman ? I seem to sim way way higher with EP/Subt/Vigor/CT, like literally +15 dps compared to other presets

[limber lion]

And you can run to it and re-apply bleeds and shadowstep back to huntsman

[limber lion]

Huntsman is the definition of a 2-target fight.

You might have the last 20% of the boss without a second target

[storm forum]

im pretty sure most guilds move the second dog away from huntsman when he's about to do the soul rip thing on the tank

[limber lion]

Yes like I said

The only dog that should be moving is Barghast

[storm forum]

i thought barghast was the 3rd dog sry

[limber lion]

That's Hecutis

[thorn slate]

Are there any abilties one pops early before coming out of stealth? like outlaws bones?

[storm forum]

oopsies

[tight ginkgo]

h*cutis

[limber lion]

If you run MFD then you use that (and SND). Other than that, no.

[drowsy coral]

Alright sounds good, thank you Cev ! I tried on dummy with the rotation with the mentioned line up (EP/Subt/Vigor/CT), is it normal to struggle to find windows to spam Envenom ? Guess its fine since most of the dmg comes from dot with this lineup

[limber lion]

You should have time to use Envenom's as well.

A full 5cp pandemic rupture is around 31 seconds, should be plenty of time :p

[drowsy coral]

Yeah but there's garotte and CT to maintain too monkaS

[limber lion]

But garrote is not a finisher, you just press it as a generator

[drowsy coral]

Opening-wise, I'm doing garott x2, normal opener on huntsman (fae opener), refresh garotte during vanish and keep on hunts till the end of vendetta, then apply rupture to doggo

[limber lion]

You'll get used to it :p

[limber lion]

That seems fine.

I would apply Rupture earlier on the doggo though.

[drowsy coral]

I'm just not quite sure when to CT, i guess right after Vendetta ?

[limber lion]

Not necessarily in the very beginning, but after your initial burst.

[storm forum]

after shiv window I think to rupture/CT

[limber lion]

Gar Gar Muti CT

[storm forum]

inside vendetta

[limber lion]

Sepsis Shiv Muti Rup

You can fit Vendetta anywhere you like there, I would probably use it just before the CT myself

Doesn't really matter.

[tight ginkgo]

With subt. is it worth the gcd/energy to double the garrote on a single target for the extra uptime?

[brittle pawn]

in bfa

[limber lion]

No

[tight ginkgo]

Thanks :)

[drowsy coral]

Thanks for the inputs Cev

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[frail fossil]

is it fine to shiv into a rupture ? cuz u never want to hold shiv so u'll prolly happen to shiv and ur rupture will run out no ?

[stoic needle]

yeah it's fine to shiv into a rupture

i do it all the time

[green obsidian]

in the opener its better to vendetta/flag into rupture or vendetta/flag just before bursting with shiv + vanish?

[rapid tree]

Difference between Zold and Doomblade in raid and which one to run GO

[stoic needle]

vendetta + flag into rupture

[green obsidian]

thx for the quick response 😛

[limber lion]

You should think 10s ahead and reapply rupture early instead of having to reapply it during Shiv.

[frail fossil]

even if it's not in pandemic ?

[limber lion]

Yes, worst case scenario you lose 3s of Rupture

[frail fossil]

that's new actually i didn't know

ty

cev rly bis man

[limber lion]

[brittle pawn]

but does he know why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?

[thin inlet]

cev could I see your raid logs as assa

[brittle pawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/ceverion

[limber lion]

Sure, here you go

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/ceverion#partition=2&difficulty=4

Oh, Shy was quicker than me

[brittle pawn]

have them bookmarked

[limber lion]

Haven't done any mythic kills on 9.0.5 as Assa yet because I've been extending for 2 months :p

[thin inlet]

aha

ye I saw

[spice spire]

Sire when?

[pure moth]

I like the 1 97 slg though..

[brittle pawn]

im gonna have a single digit parse on that fight when we kill 😦

we sit in intermission for like 3 fucking minutes

[limber lion]

But it's Outlaw 😦

[pure moth]

Yea i noticed. Rip

[limber lion]

Yeah that's the worst, I hate the slow strat

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/2494c5d56c6d312f30b54b7bc0085f72
Currently here :p

[pure moth]

I got a few new purple parses last night. And just higher overall

[shy dust]

The UI

Auras and debuff

[limber lion]

Very necessary

Jk, I don't think I've ever looked either

[shy dust]

But you’re tracking it 3 times already

[spice spire]

What the fuck is that UI

[shy dust]

Surely that’s just screen bloat

[limber lion]

I only look at WA/Nameplates

:p

[spice spire]

Cev pls

[limber lion]

It's not that bad honestly

I'll take another screenie, you'll see

https://gyazo.com/e257648fad52d116fa6446d4451709ac
See, it's not thaat bad

[stoic needle]

Ceb I love you but those fonts

Bro

[limber lion]

why the fuck is my cr on top of everything

[stoic needle]

Please I'm malding

[spice spire]

I’ve 100% seen worse

But still.

[stoic needle]

TheYrE ALl DIFfErenT

[limber lion]

I had the most sick and perfect UI 2 months ago

[toxic tusk]

Comic sans or bust.

[limber lion]

But then my WTF folder reset

It was the saddest day

[toxic tusk]

I still use the blizz UI with bartender. Am I wrong?

[stoic needle]

Unfriended, blocked and reported

[stoic needle]

Extremely

Ty for reminding me to back up my add-ons

[toxic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-and-eric-spaghetti-funny-face-gif-14238957

[iron orchid]

people talking about UIs when i'm sitting in the corner using part of standard UI and mouseclicking stealth

[spice spire]

Yeah but that’s king shit, deï

[rare blaze]

stock ui is actually good af tho, w/ proper wa

[stoic needle]

i just don't like the layout of the default ui

and by the time you've moved things around you might as well just install elv to make it easier

[limber lion]

Ye agree

Highly recommend everyone to back up their WTF folder at least once a month

Especially if you've done it pixel perfect and spent 10+ hours on just perfecting your UI

[iron orchid]

I guess if I lose the WTF save, it'll just give me a reason to setup a proper UI

[iron orchid]

I ain't no king anymore

sadly

[stoic needle]

How sway

[spice spire]

Wow standard UI is peak performance, if you don’t like how it looks, sorry sweaty. This is what peak performance looks like

[iron orchid]

not a single Rio point in 2~3 weeks

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/joaquin-phoenix-commodus-gladiator-thumbs-down-gif-12708900

[spice spire]

You’re still a king in my heart

[stoic needle]

i feel like everyone took a break

the last couple weeks were trash garbage

[iron orchid]

Well, I have a enh sham now

[spice spire]

The parses

[wanton turret]

hey quick question if i do m+ mainly and some raiding but not alot, what leggo should i use? does doomblade give more dmg overall in a m+ than Zol?

[iron orchid]

I think I was just too busy trying out necro and then venthyr

[chilly crane]

where did you guys craft zoldyck

[spice spire]

Legs

[subtle tundra]

in sl patch 9.0

ah

[stoic needle]

zoldyck 100%

I think i'm going to hold my breath and try out necrolord

sbs go brr

[spice spire]

For M+ it’s for Zoldyck or master assassin.

[wanton turret]

ok ty, already got MA so going zol then thx 🙂

[chilly crane]

which stats on zoldyck legs?

[spice spire]

Haste and crit or vers, whichever you prefer (most people need crit a little more)

[gusty mirage]

You’re still king in our hearts

[iron orchid]

Sbs is kinda fun, but the focus required to use it "optimally" on a fight such as council is so high

[stoic needle]

council is a shitshow

[iron orchid]

it's what made me switch to venthyr, I really wanted to try out flag's burst

[shy dust]

That’s still awful

Your screen is so cluttered

[limber lion]

Honestly the only things I would remove are the aura bars/debuffs on unit frames

[shy dust]

Yes

That’s the main issue

It’s not needed

[limber lion]

Those are legit useless

I've not once ever looked at them

[shy dust]

Tracking garrote/rupture 3 times

Snd twice

[limber lion]

This is just the plain shit UI that I had when my WTF reset

[shy dust]

Outside of that it’s good

[spice spire]

Pretty much. I keep mine very basic, but those bars are so much lmao

[mighty elm]

UI is clean, don’t listen to haters

[limber lion]

It's been 2 raid nights and I'm already annoyed at the massive lag after the first Cleansing Pain

[brittle pawn]

do you have combat logging on?

[limber lion]

Garrote and rupture one extra boss.

[limber lion]

Yeah, but apparently it's a common issue for many. Server lag on Sire.

[brittle pawn]

oh. we should be on him this week, can't wait for that.

[sharp star]

Apologies in advance if this gets asked alot. Do you need to bind ambush to a separate key to mutilate when playing blindside. Playing only outlaw/sub atm and wanted to give sin a try

[hollow escarp]

[brittle pawn]

ive traded 2 of them away

when i was sub

[hollow escarp]

last week 2 dropped

resto druid insta equipped

lol

[dire violet]

Why would you trade them away as sub

Cover all your hast needs as sub in one item

[brittle pawn]

all your 0 haste needs

[hollow escarp]

Hyperlight Band might be better for sub

or at least sims better for me

on my sub set

[dense quest]

guys, for M+ is better crit haste or crit mastery? im running with 21 %crit, 23 % haste and 28% mastery, what do u think ?

[dire violet]

Ritualist ring Sims better than every ring other than the BoE ring for single target sub.

Assuming you aren't rocking 10% haste already.

[brittle pawn]

in whatever vacuum your gear is in*

[dire violet]

True

[limber lion]

Yes. Meaning you get 8 energy from your garrote ticking and 8 energy from your rupture ticking.

If it said "Garrote and Rupture" it would mean that you need to have them both up to get 8 energy, which is not the case.

[ebon hull]

Good afternoon, what races do you recommend for the rogue?

[brittle pawn]

tauren

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter. Orc is best for Horde and Mechagnome is the best for Alliance

But it's very, very, very, very minimal

Just play what you want.

[ebon hull]

I'm quite undecided, my rogue is Human but I'm more attracted to either Night Elf or Gnome.

[brittle pawn]

it literally doesnt matter

go with whatever has teh best slutmog

[stoic needle]

shadowmeld is kinda insane

[hollow escarp]

Human is also nice

[brittle pawn]

@stoic needle ok belf

[stoic needle]

its like a 2nd vanish

[stoic needle]

never worn a slutmog in my life

[hollow escarp]

shadowmeld for sin rogues in m+ is so good

[stoic needle]

its also super OP in pvp too

[hollow escarp]

ofc

[strange python]

Shadowmeld is by far the best all around rogue racial

It’s almost worth playing alliance for... almost

[hollow escarp]

we had to pug somebody today and we got a sin rogue, it's actually so fun to play with another rogue in raid

we are already 2 rogues but the other one is outlaw main

[strange python]

I remember the good old days of trading tricks of the trade with the other rogue in icecrown citadel

[stoic needle]

Equip whatever sims best in dungeon slice

There are no numbers to shoot for

[hollow escarp]

@strange python the best part is when we do almost identical dps

[dense quest]

ty so much !

[hollow escarp]

on Inerva for example

[onyx cove]

yo guys is bloodfang or dashing scoundrel good in keys? trying to craft another good M+ lego

[hollow escarp]

for m+ zoldyck or MA are good picks

[pine ore]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[onyx cove]

ive tried MA it doesnt seem good in high keys

and im thinking zoldyk but it seems soooo boring

[stoic needle]

Bloodfang isn't. Dashing scoundrel can be kind of okay if you run poison bomb. Do you have zoldyck?

Zoldyck definitely the best leggo for m+

[onyx cove]

bloodfang is simming high af on bloodmallet

is that a bug or something?

[stoic needle]

Bloodmallet is bogus

They use weird sim types

Look at the pins

[stoic needle]

Hectic add cleave is fake news

Dungeon slice is what we use to evaluate m+ because dungeons are a mixture of single target and aoe

[onyx cove]

zoldyck it is i guess smh

BLIZZ GIVE US A FUN LEGO

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck isn't flashy but the numbers don't lie

fun

Legendary

Pick one

[limber lion]

Yoo first time P3 on Sire 🤩

[stoic needle]

All rogue legendaries are boring

[onyx cove]

MA is the only decent one

[crimson wigeon]

Noob question: should shiv be used in rotation?

[prisma carbon]

yes

[stoic needle]

On cooldown

[onyx cove]

the energy regen/poison crit ones sound fun

[stoic needle]

Don't miss a cast for anything

[crimson wigeon]

Sweet thanks guys

[stoic needle]

Dashing scoundrel is interesting because it increases the crit chance of envenoms and poison bomb by 15%

But you just don't cast envenom much in aoe

And the energy is largely wasted when you have bleeds up

[devout prism]

buffs your nature damage done for a bit after you cast it which affects your poisons and envenom damage

[onyx cove]

it seems to me running bloodfang with tempest rush would be busted

[ruby ingot]

Outlaw has some fun legendaries but they are way lower in dps in all situations

[onyx cove]

just huge bleeds out on everything

[stoic needle]

Except bloodfang does no damage

Like it's actually so bad

[onyx cove]

doesnt it inflict a bleed?

[stable plinth]

What's the TLDR as to why Assassination suddenly rose up in single target so much?

I haven't played since before it got buffed by 5% initially

I'm just curious

[somber hill]

that plus change to flagellation gives it a lot of haste and dmg, more people playing it so it actually appears in logs, legendary tuning as well.

cut to the chase makes u not have to refresh snd also

8 energy regen from venemous woundss and removal of energy regen buff from snd arguably makes the spec smoother as wel

well*

[onyx cove]

@stoic needle it says combo point using abilites apply like 1300 dmg bleeed to the target

thats like 6k to each 5 target crimson

[stoic needle]

It's not a guaranteed proc

[onyx cove]

ah

[stoic needle]

If it was guaranteed it would be badass

Like a Perma shadow blades for sin but with bleeds

I'd use that

[lusty pivot]

if u dont have snd up from the previous pack, do you even use it at all? assume 6-8 targets

[stoic needle]

Not initially, but as the target count diminishes you should put it up

[limber lion]

No

[limber lion]

This is a better answer.

Listen to Osh

[stoic needle]

[silent tinsel]

Would you trade a 235 Doomblade for 190 zoldyck on sire

[compact pumice]

Logs so far show that Doomblade does similar or more dps during the whole of P3. But if you are specifically having problems when the boss is <30% then might be worth it. But the benefit is a lot smaller with such a huge ilevel gap, though still probably in Zoldyck's favor.

[kindred crescent]

it was rough but my guild finally got AOTC

[rapid tree]

So my question is, what exactly is the dps difference between Doomblade and Zold on most bosses?

[rapid tree]

Cause if I make Doomblade I will replace my hands which are 226 with 190 and my legs which are Zold 225 with 213 legs

[somber hill]

you'd need to sim something like that tbh

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s a sim, chief

[somber hill]

if ur asking about mulltiple pieces changing

otherwise the raw lego estimates are above and in pins

[silent tinsel]

It's more like the real damage check for sire doesn't start till 40%

[somber hill]

Zoldyck is more situational, you will do less dmg overall but u should do more dmg in execute sub 30%, if that is something ur guild needs then that should be ur go to lego for that situation

[covert stratus]

sludgefist M, vendetta on pull 2 4

or 1 3 and execute

pillars that is?

[limber lion]

0 2 4 if you lust last pillar as you should

[covert stratus]

cool, starting progress now so wish me luck ;D

tyvm

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[scarlet sequoia]

i do reckon here

necrolord is actually just the best for denathrius

[edgy dune]

Hey, if you're killing a set of 3-4 mobs, and you have garrotes and crimson tempest on them..when Im using rupture at that point, am I using it with full combo points for rupture?

or just like 3-4 combos

[thorny rose]

CPs don’t increase damage, only duration

so only use full CPs on rupture if you need it to last that long

[edgy dune]

how does shiv fit into all that? who am I shiving on big pulls?

[placid wharf]

how do i open in a two target fight

put bleeds up then cds? or cds then put bleeds on 2nd target

[loud niche]

I give up on finding a guild to raid with. They all suck FeelsBadMan

[limber lion]

Both bleeds on both targets then you pump on one target

During lust you don't necessarily need the second rupture on your off-target during the first 10ish seconds

[gleaming reef]

ya need to hop onto big servers sadly, we're currently on stone legion mythic prog

[loud niche]

I'm on Area52

I was on Illidan, swapped to A52 to join this guild, now they're falling to bits too

Been 6/10M since mid Feb, it's now end of March

[fervent beacon]

So am I, I'm in undaunted

[sand gyro]

Crimson Tempest for P1 and some cleave on P2 adds on Denathrius or just stick to Poison Bomb?

[limber lion]

Probably just stick to PB

[spice spire]

Stick to PB. Damage check is P3

[limber lion]

There are some gamers using CT but they're madlads

[uneven hamlet]

Before shiv window how much energy should I pull? I was pulling 80, and was only doing like 2 luckly 3 envenom per shiv

[limber lion]

That's completely fine, you don't need to get 3 Envenom's every window.

Getting 2 is fine.

80 Energy is perfectly okay.

[undone eagle]

If i do the right rotation with good timings on bleed and envenom spam when shiv is cd, how come i still do around 5.5k dps on artificier Mythic? :/

Do i have wrong conduits? I use lashing scar and the one who increase my nature dmg by 14% when shiv is activated

[limber lion]

Link your log and I'll take a look.

[undone eagle]

Stats: 15% haste 25% crit 17% vers 20% mastery

[cerulean nest]

any tips on the best way to burst onto sunking shields?

[limber lion]

Stats do not matter.

[undone eagle]

Really?

[limber lion]

You just need to have everything ready when the shield comes, meaning bleeds/shiv/covenant already on the target

[undone eagle]

But you know there is some time when you use your shiv on cd envenom and suddenly your energi just starving..

[limber lion]

And when the shield appears, you Vend/Vanish

[undone eagle]

Even if garrote and rupture is axtive

[limber lion]

And build to max CP before and pool a little before it as well

[lean coral]

You just have to be ready to burst

Did that fight on mythic first time as a lock

[limber lion]

You don't have to use as much energy during downtime, only starving yourself during the Shiv window.

It's perfectly fine to be starved once in a while.

Just link your log and I'll look at it.

[lean coral]

Took some getting used to for having everything ready for shard dump

[cerulean nest]

okay cool