assassination

[loud light]

when that was a thing

I suppose you could think of it now as how useful running that dungeon could be to you

[empty crescent]

For the adversary conduit ability, does it get reset when that target dies?

[glad oxide]

Whats the opener for multi target with subterfuge?

[thorny rose]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Highest expected gain from running it, or the most “time efficient” dungeon to run

[stoic needle]

Yes they are trustworthy

[gaunt geyser]

another question about legendary doomblade. Which stat to choose ?

[stoic needle]

You can modify the stat proc chance to see if it changes the valuation in the sim

[dense quest]

it's viable master poisoner? i really liked but looks like all the ppl are using elaborate p.

[indigo mulch]

I think the only fight people use EP is in m+ and sludgefist

[pallid bough]

upgrade Zold 215 > 225 or craft Doomblade?

[indigo mulch]

Pretty sure that depends on content your doing. : )

[stoic needle]

No mp isn't very good

[stoic needle]

EP is good on huntsman too

[indigo mulch]

fair

[dawn ivy]

is there a place/tool/trick to see what feint works on?

[stoic needle]

@balmy condor

[civic trellis]

aoe dmg basically

[stoic needle]

Except not really

Feint is very inconsistent

[civic trellis]

e.g?

[stoic needle]

Doesn't work on anything on shriekwing

[civic trellis]

it does?

[stoic needle]

Doesn't

[civic trellis]

my char is special

[stoic needle]

There's a lot of stuff that looks like an aoe but is actually just targeted on everyone in the raid

That feint doesn't work on

[civic trellis]

with ground shit it doesnt work obv

direct aoe dmg

[stoic needle]

I mean it should work on ground shit

It's aoe isn't it

[balmy condor]

Ground stuff is the stuff that usually doesn’t work

[dawn ivy]

yeah which is why i ask

theres damage events it "shouldnt" work on but i wish there was a way to know

i guess i can trial and error next tier and dig through logs on every mechanic

[stoic needle]

Where that list @ tho @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

almost ready

[deep solstice]

So looking through the sim action log I see it sometimes hold flag for vendetta, and sometimes cast flag on CD......can anyone explain the logic behind why it varies in timing? It isnt just to get in a cast before the end of the parse, I thought of that already.

[balmy condor]

if you miss a cast, you don't hold, if you won't miss a cast, you sync

[deep solstice]

ya I know that is the logic we are using, but the sim doesnt seem to always be doing that

[balmy condor]

5:30 fight length means you get your last flag at 4:30, and your last vendetta at 4

so it holds vendetta till 4:30

[tired vessel]

What raid boss drops well placed steel? :o

[balmy condor]

venari

[balmy condor]

it syncs vendetta to sepsis/flag, not the other way around

[deep solstice]

I guess it just determined that in a 10 min fight you can sync the first 2 flag/vendetta then need to unsync the rest to not miss a cast?

[balmy condor]

well yeah

you can work it out for any fight length

the sim just happens to know what the fight length is

and does that math in advance

[minor thicket]

hey guys i have a few questions I am currently NF Outlaw, I just made my doomblade so I can start playing SIN on some fights in raid. Currently my outlaw and SIN spec sim almost the exact same for pure ST within 250 dps

is that normal?

[deep solstice]

ya I might have to look at syncing a diff timing then.....syncing them in P3 seems most useful in sire.

[tired vessel]

Thank you ^^

[deep solstice]

as night fae that is fairly normal, but it will depend on your weapons for both specs as well. But I mean 250 dps is a pretty sizable gap. Even as venthyr the gap is only slightly more than that between sin and outlaw on pure single target.

[balmy condor]

yeh it's possible depending on ilvl of legendary and dagger and shit

[minor thicket]

legendary is maxed, I have 220 and 210 dagger

[balmy condor]

would have to see the sim I guess

[deep solstice]

sounds pretty expected to me, if that is all you really wanted to clarify jneu

[balmy condor]

all sorts of reasons why your gear isn't optimized for one to another

[minor thicket]

once i get my dagger up to 220 ill post my sim se if you notice anything

[deep solstice]

offhand dagger will literally add maybe 10-20 dps for you

gaining 10 ilvls

[strange python]

^

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[minor thicket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2eBfkJWD1LF9rUF3PjRV38

if you wouldnt mind peaking

[deep solstice]

have your outlaw one as well since you were mostly asking about the comparison?

[minor thicket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vLtQNzJEXV7CPJJNkQ54Td

i guess what I am trying to figure out is I thought SIN would be substanitally ahead in pure ST. Next part being what am I missing as to why its not higher for my SIn setup

[deep solstice]

ah ya them being close makes sense....6 ilvl on your main hand in outlaw, and pox proc is worth a good bit of free dps. and you have 226 CTO.

what is your haste in your sin set?

[minor thicket]

22% for SIN

[deep solstice]

ah, well that is roughly where the sims direct you to so that isnt an issue I think

[minor thicket]

I just figured it would be closer to 7k around 6800

[deep solstice]

but ya what I said earlier is prob why you arent seeing a bigger difference. You just have significantly better weapons and conduits for outlaw.

you wont see taht high as sin unless you go venthyr or have basically BiS gear.

IE my sim as venth with reasonly good gear is 6.9k

[minor thicket]

i mean besides the the OH weapon my gear is pretty much all 226

[frail fossil]

your outlaw spec has double 223+ weapon and one is poxstorm

[stoic needle]

The weapons make a big difference and so does not being venthyr

[deep solstice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2FkNGDYdKPFUFSDS8Mu8CX

Unless you actually have an Enh sham in your raid group simming windfury is kinda pointless as well....I usually turn it off

adds like 150 dps to your sim that you will never have lol

[undone verge]

when should i switch from zold to doom in raid

[stoic needle]

For sire or when your guild is wiping in the last phase of a boss

[minor thicket]

man they gotta make 2 covenants an option lol

for each spec

[undone verge]

kk cool. we are tryin to down heroic sire and just started getting to last phase

[oblique tulip]

can you cloack sire knockback ?

or you have to time step or hook

[undone verge]

ty @stoic needle

[deep solstice]

you can cloak it of you want to, but you can just hook or step right after the knock

better to save cloak for something more useful

[minor thicket]

how does flagellation work?

[deep solstice]

Spend CP = do bonus damage and build your haste buff after the initial buff ends.

maxxes at 30 CP spent over 12 seconds.

or maybe I just have never managed to spend 35 PC in 12 seconds. that could also be true

[stoic needle]

30 is the cap

[minor thicket]

oh so use on CD basically

[stoic needle]

Yes

[frosty cedar]

Does it just give u 20 flat if you use it on someone that dies 1 second after?

I noticed that

[stoic needle]

Gives 10 if the target dies

[undone verge]

do we pick CT over PB on sire if we need to provide more aoe damage in the raid?

[deep solstice]

or more if you used more CP before they died

[stoic needle]

You pick better boomkins and mages

[deep solstice]

honestly if your raid has so low aoe in P1 that they need the sin rogue to run CT, you have more serious issues in your raid group lol

[undone verge]

t.t yeah, you should see this line up

well, i'm not required to run CT, i'm trying to figure out how to do more damage

[deep solstice]

practice your rotation and maintain uptime on the boss.

the very high end parse whores that run CT arent really outdpsing the people running PB because you dont get enough value out of CT unless everyone is literally AFK in P1.

[undone verge]

im getting a lot of uptime and i'm getting good parses. i just want to down this boss so we can move on and do some reclears

we are clearing p1 too fast and having to stop dps at the end of p1 to get stacks low enough

[deep solstice]

well having to wait wont really affect your prog through P2 or P3 at all

just your parse

[frosty cedar]

Ur dmg probably isn't going to get Ur team to p3 reliably, it will be way too many DPS dying in p2

Which is the problem

[undone verge]

okay. so PB should be picked over CT, unless P1 needs more damage

[deep solstice]

even if P1 needs more damage running CT is literally just something to try to parse whore

[wide bolt]

yea sin is not a "kill the adds" spec in P1 unless ur trying to pad

ur job is to blast boss

[frosty cedar]

Sounds like Ur team just needs more pulls before they learn to dodge swirlies in p2 kekw

[wide bolt]

its just unfortunate that P1 is designed in such a way that doing your job well means you have to sit on your hands for a hot minute

[frosty cedar]

Yea p1 is kinda tuned weird which feels worse since his hp nerf last reset

Like even worse

[deep solstice]

well high dps teams are mostly doing 1 > all > all > 2 now

or very geared reclears maybe even all x 3

for heroic anyway.

[indigo valley]

Whats the best way to get feedback on logs? I'm having a tough time getting above 85/86 in raid on assa.

[deep solstice]

usually lots of people willing to look over your logs if you link them and ask

[indigo valley]

Just link them here?

[balmy condor]

yup

[vocal stone]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qt26hj7WCNyFbQKr#fight=1&type=casts&view=timeline&source=9

can anyone take a look at this log and lmk if there's any room for improvement, not sure what i can be doing better

[indigo valley]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RYnb6L7aFzpDcXqZ#fight=24&type=damage-done&source=130

My goal right now is to get to orange parses in heroic, but I'm not seeing any improvement past the high 80s.

[deep solstice]

a little more haste gear and doomblade leggo will prob do a lot for you on the gear side shar. Also nadjiya is usually well ahead of theotar

[vocal stone]

^ well... i'm not smart, forgot to swap out leggo from arena

[harsh pebble]

is there like a reason i should go elabroate planning vs blindside for sludghefist? Patchwerk sims say blindside is better, but wasn't sure how to sim for sludge specifically

[vocal stone]

but ya i'd watch out for that

[loud light]

not going to have the easiest time orange parsing with 220/213 weapons and only 221 overall

[deep solstice]

You can probably do a bit better not clipping your envenom buffs, but that is fairly minor.

[vocal stone]

what do you mean by that?

[deep solstice]

IE instead of spam casting envenom wait until it is about to fall/does fall if you wont energy cap or allow your dots to dip low

to increase uptime on the envenom buff

[vocal stone]

gotcha makes sense

but damn, if i realized i was using motma instead of doomblade it def would've been better haha

[deep solstice]

thats fairly minor for dps gain, but thats one of the few things to really optimize if you are doing the basics correctly

you let your rupture and garrote fall off a few times.....assuming that is when you los'd, but its a dps gain to refresh those if you are going to be off target for a while.

[vocal stone]

right

you think i can get away with just getting haste rings + neck?

[deep solstice]

what is your haste at now?

[vocal stone]

8% lmao

[deep solstice]

oh, ya that is def an issue for sin

[vocal stone]

yup, i noticed i was getting some pi's and that felt good, i assume getting more haste would feel like that

[deep solstice]

sim wants you more in like the 20-24% range.

[vocal stone]

so def neck + rings and a decent # of haste pieces

[deep solstice]

and that's as nadjia who already gives a ton of extra haste.

[vocal stone]

yeah def an issue lol

[frail fossil]

idk if that's true i'm at 19% and my sim tells me to replace haste gems i had for my outlaw specs into crit

and also told me to ditch out a neck with haste for a neck with 0 haste

in the end sim yourself

[deep solstice]

for me the sim had me start gemming crit at 22%

[vocal stone]

^ how're you guys seeing that type of info from raidbots

[frail fossil]

is what i would advise and not try to aim for arbitrary haste level

[deep solstice]

prob depends slightly on your gear....but 8% is for sure too low

[frail fossil]

top gear

[vocal stone]

yup, just respecced from sub so my haste is lacking lol

[frail fossil]

i mean do u have one set of gear just sim ur gear u have in bag

[vocal stone]

just this set p much

i have some pvp gear but that's 207 & vers/crit

[deep solstice]

@indigo valley I know I didnt look at your log, but basically everything we have talked about with shar would be the same takeaways if it applies to you....

[vocal stone]

appreciate you @deep solstice thanks

[rapid stratus]

Is there anywhere that explains rogue timings for sludge? From what I see it looks like you get two shivs between each pillar, outside of that you should sit on it? Vendetta on pull/2/4?

[soft shale]

you have to hold shiv for pillars 2 and beyond

[clear oar]

are you suppose to pool energy for shiv?

[rapid stratus]

Dont hold for first pillar?

[clear oar]

in st fight

[soft shale]

even if you pool you wont get 3 envenoms

[deep solstice]

@indigo valley For yours specifically: Looks like you sat on blindside procs for a while sometimes. Envenom uptime is pretty good. Doomblade dot dropped at a few points but that probably overlapped with the run out mechanic so not a big deal....Other than that I am not really seeing much to improve? You prob want to make a new set of doomblade gloves tho....haste/vers was not particularly ideal.

[clear oar]

good looks dad

[soft shale]

unless you giga highroll crits

[indigo valley]

thank you metz, i'll get on the new gloves

[soft shale]

but that would be cool in itself

[pale fossil]

Is it worth it to hold Sepsis for a few seconds to Shiv before I use it? Or does Shiv's bonus damage apply to poisons already applied to the target?

[soft shale]

unless using septic shock shiv when it is already running is ok

[pale fossil]

Cool. I'll sim to make sure I shouldn't be running Septic Shock but I currently am not.

[tidal gorge]

OMG. After every great vault and mythic+ this entire expansion has given me nothing, I finally have a 226 weapon

Praise be the lawd

[pale fossil]

[fervent beacon]

Anyone a venthyr, got a question.

[deep solstice]

"Anyone a venthyr" in assassination rogue discord.

[pale fossil]

Night Fae master race.

🧚‍♂️

[stoic needle]

[fervent beacon]

fair enough, I was necro for a bit tho and swapped back for 3rd time, I was outlaw venthyr until necro were buff

anyway, so for the 2nd flag, do I hold it and use it with vend, or on CD?

[deep solstice]

You hold it if it wont cost you a cast.

[stoic needle]

On CD unless it's sludge

It's nearly Impossible to know if your timers will be the same as they usually are

[fervent beacon]

Right and for sludge, which pillars would I use vend on, 1 and 3rd?

[stoic needle]

One dps dying and your timer is suddenly off and you've lost a cast

[low girder]

on mythic, pull, 2, 4

[deep solstice]

1 and 3 or pull 2 and 4

[stoic needle]

Not worth the effort and risk

[loud light]

depends how many pillars you're getting

[deep solstice]

depends on your kill time.

[fervent beacon]

I will at least try to hold vend for the lust pillar aka 3rd so I can cast on 1st pillar.

[loud light]

if 3, then 1/3 since 3 is lusted. if 4, pull/2/4 since 4 is lusted

[pale fossil]

Update - Septic Shock is bad as hell lolol

[fervent beacon]

This is just for heroic, we're working on lady/sk for mythic atm.

[pale fossil]

How does Vendetta's damage amp work? Does it apply to poisons and bleeds you've already applied?

[stoic needle]

Yep, it's all dynamic

The only thing that's snapshotted is nightstalker and subterfuge

[frail fossil]

is it whielisted ?

[stoic needle]

No

[low girder]

wait, wouldn't it be whitelisted?

trinkets don't work

[pale fossil]

Gotcha. So ideally, I want to get my bleeds and poisons down, then Vendetta and go to town.

[loud light]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=79140/vendetta

that looks whitelisted to me

[cerulean nest]

wow sin is nuts lol

parsed a 32 and did 1.5k more dps than last week as sub

[pale fossil]

What does "whitelisted" mean in this context?

[stoic needle]

Maybe I have it backwards but whitelisted means that it works with trinkets and potions etc

[frail fossil]

means dmg amp works with trinkets

[low girder]

whitelisted means it only affects certain things

[loud light]

whitelisted means it only applies to particular abilities (the ones listed)

[low girder]

^

[loud light]

rather than globally to everything you do

[stoic needle]

Ok so I have it backwards MB

[frail fossil]

ye same

[pale fossil]

Gotcha. Which is why sims tell you to just go ahead and use trinks before you activate Vendetta.

Because it doesn't matter.

[low girder]

ie MA got whitelisted with the patch and doesn't affect trinkets anymore

[loud light]

the "whitelist" is the list of things it affects, usually everything rogue-related so it doesn't buff NW weapons, trinkets, etc

[stoic needle]

[rapid stratus]

double on use for sludge or phial+dreadfire/memory's?

[lament mica]

im seeing top parses w/ combinations of those. Having an active for each pillar is prob best

but phial is insane so whatever, doesn't seem to matter

[pale fossil]

I'm doing Phial + IQD for what it's worth.

Anyone have time to look at a log?

New to Sin so I'm sure it's a disaster haha

[glossy mirage]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[icy crater]

idk if this is nsfw but

[stoic needle]

I rebuke it in the name of the lord

[balmy condor]

thanks I comed

[icy crater]

for all the coomers

[shut pollen]

I'm still unsure if it's better to vanish muti envenom muti or vanish envenom muti envenom I've found discrepancies on the matter

[balmy condor]

sure

[balmy condor]

are you using deeper?

[pale fossil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GFqxL3AjDNz7Tcng/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

Appreciate it 🙂

[shut pollen]

yp master assassina nd deeper

[pale fossil]

The only thing that's obvious is that Lust timing was missed, because it's a PUG and they did it at a random time haha

[balmy condor]

then you definitely don't env mut env

[shut pollen]

ook got it

[balmy condor]

this hurts

you held the second shiv for too long, so that means you're scuffing the shiv on the pillar

yeh just not playing around pillars

almost a full minute here between shivs

[lament mica]

should be straight forward to shiv on pull, get 1 move shiv, then have one for pillar, no?

[balmy condor]

yeah

you alternate shivs on pillar and not pillar

[strange python]

So the alternate pillar will always be shiv less?

[balmy condor]

?

no

[strange python]

Misread that soz

[balmy condor]

shiv on pillar
shiv between
shiv on
shiv between

over and over

[pale fossil]

They're saying I should always have Shiv for pillar and I wasn't

[balmy condor]

you also should've had sepsis for pillars

[strange python]

I think I need to just use vend earlier on sludge to line up with the second smash

[stoic needle]

The cd of shiv means you always get one in-between and one on the pillar if you do it on cd

[balmy condor]

correct

[strange python]

Would you save flag for the second pillar and hold it for 30 seconds

[outer lodge]

Just got a 226 IQD - is best to bind it in with Vendetta or Flag since its a 3min cd? Do i pop it on CD or wait till Vendetta windows?

[balmy condor]

you hold 1:30 cds for pillars with your 2 min

[strange python]

Ty only done a couple pulls on sluggo so that helps

Is there a place where there are like quick tips for these fights for rogues.

[balmy condor]

nop

this is the place

[pale fossil]

Yeah, unfortunately I figured I was fucking up Shivs.

[shut pollen]

are you guys using double oil plus phantom fire on single target? Coz I've seen agi pots in parses

[balmy condor]

otherwise seems fine though @pale fossil

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[strange python]

Cos if you had a page on the website or a channel in disc you could just write like wee things for each boss that are common mistakes

[pale fossil]

Appreciate it!

[balmy condor]

could probably be added to defensive sheet or somethign

[strange python]

Rather than repeating yourself all the time

Even a ! Command

!sludgefist

And the boyo just tells your when you save cds and how to optimise

[shut pollen]

ihih my guild is stuck on council mythic and I'm having some trouble playing ass on that boss would rather play outlaw

[native silo]

is there optimization using dreafire or do we just push it on CD??

[balmy condor]

on cd

it isn't buffed by anything

[strange python]

Then play outlaw

[shut pollen]

tell it to the raid leader xD

[strange python]

Is it just the single target damage your raid team lacks

[shut pollen]

seems so. I think the damage gets interruopted way too many times by attendants recitals etc so you either lsoe up a good portion of vendetta or have to delay it quite a bit

seems clunky to me

[strange python]

Just don’t use vend till after the first attendant dies

Use the time to bleed up your main and second target

[shut pollen]

yup that's what I did tonight but I lack consistency. Sometime I'm parsing purple orange sometime I'm blue/green

[pale fossil]

Thanks for the review @balmy condor, I appreciate it.

[shut pollen]

it all depends on the timing of the boss phasing add spawns etc. It's not like other bosses where you end up with an error between tries of 100/200 dps

[balmy condor]

np, actually quite hard to fuck up sin :P

just keep shiving you'll be fine

[pale fossil]

Today was my literal first day playing it, so nowhere to go but up 🙂

[strange python]

Shiv your wee heart out

That sounded like me telling you to Kill yourself but I assure you I wasn’t

[shut pollen]

lols

would really love the fast paced exxsanguinate build to pull ahead in single target qq

[strange python]

I’m kinda enjoying the chill methodical okay

Play

The just need to figure out how tf they’re going to deal with sub

Then you can be a fast af boi

[outer lodge]

@balmy condor best way to optimize IQD usage? Use it on CD or do i hold for Vendetta windows?

[balmy condor]

depends on kill time

[shut pollen]

hope it won't end like in bfa where was good in the first raid and then deleted from the game for the remaining of the expantion

[balmy condor]

would want to cast with vendetta if you're getting stats tho

[outer lodge]

ok

[pale fossil]

How do you know if you're getting stats?

[balmy condor]

wa

[shut pollen]

wa

[balmy condor]

will track what you get

[pale fossil]

Ooooh. Does someone have that WA handy?

Otherwise I can find it.

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/mtea8Bup0

[shut pollen]

https://wago.io/G_ZnwseH- this is the one I'm using

@balmy condor where do you raid? are your logs public so I can use them as reference?

[balmy condor]

I only raid heroic

[pale fossil]

❤️

[spice spire]

Imagine
I too only heroic because I prefer my group over prog

[balmy condor]

yupppp

[spice spire]

Idk ur group seems kinda troll whisp

[shut pollen]

oh ok. Yeah everyone is getting upset and quitting due to the last few bosses of this raid

btw it may be a silly question but why my name on this discord is changme? xD

[timber pawn]

For Mythic Sludge are people using AP + Agi potion or Shadowcore Oil + phantom fire?

[shut pollen]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[timber pawn]

ok thought it might be a bigger dif in sludgefist due to the burst windows

[balmy condor]

we usually change nicknames that aren't appropriate

not sure why yours in particular was changed

but I would assume it's because of that

[shut pollen]

y mine was Eruza dunno if it means something weird

[balmy condor]

[vast patio]

Hey, for plater purposes, what's the doomblade DoT's spell id?

[warped temple]

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

you don't need to track it

however if you truly insist

it would be spell id 211672

[cerulean nest]

whats the best way to handle sun king?

for the shield burst

[icy crater]

council 16% wipe

we killin this shit TONIGHT

[solid shale]

yo can the balls on hungering be soaked on mythic

ive never tried

wqith cloak i mean

[compact pumice]

I use vend+flag+shiv+vanish+skulkers on first shield, doing a shiv rotation into next (I used dreadfire here too).

[compact pumice]

Yeah. You gain more dps skipping consume with it though

I usually soak my own expunge and orb with feint

[solid shale]

sick

ty

[cerulean nest]

isnt that gonna be way less bursty than sub though just in general?

[compact pumice]

Hmm, haven’t seen any sub rogue logs, but I did most shield damage by far. Shiv burst is pretty insane tbh

[cerulean nest]

hm ok

maybe ill try it then

[compact pumice]

But ofc we timed it so others had their cds for the second shield. I only did most overall, not most on every shield

[icy crater]

anyone run vigor over ds on fights where you dont lust on pull

feels so dog shit

[stoic needle]

Negative

I just wait the second and a half for my energy to regen like God intended

[icy crater]

yeah then the attendant comes right as you want to do damage

and you have to refresh bleeds and you haven't pushed any cds yet

castle holddps

[stoic needle]

I mean yeah you don't vendetta until after the attendant

That's just council m8

[icy crater]

its absolute garbage m8

[stoic needle]

Council is a trash fight indeed

[solid ferry]

!bis

[charred mango]

against a target dummy and with personal cds, i was able to peak at 99% haste with a haste IQD proc

[stoic needle]

I've gotten to 121% haste with flag and thrill seeker and lust

No iqd

[icy crater]

thrillseeker during dance macabre

[tribal nest]

is there a detailed sin M+ guide? Debating setting up theotar for this (keeping nadja for raid), not sure if changing conduits is a big deal

[stoic needle]

Haste iqd is worse than crit iqd though

[icy crater]

another fantastic timing with council

[stoic needle]

You should run lashing wasteland propriety for theotar

No special setup required

[tribal nest]

okay thanks - was wondering if the fan of knives or poison conduits were better than lashing for fort weeks

also stuck with IL 145 lashing 6 world boss kills later lmao

[languid ocean]

Are there any tech savvy rogues on at the moment?

[stoic needle]

Do some callings lol

[charred mango]

my raid leader just asked me to get off the bench for SLG, and told me to stay assas rather than outlaw

[stoic needle]

You better pump those bosses sir

[cerulean nest]

anyone able to look at this and give some pointers? first off, wondering exactly how much the deficit is caused by being nfae still and how much is just from general rotation errors (i know the opener is scuffed too)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w1YQAfd8LCXMJgFD#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=41

[charred mango]

ill try and give us a good name lol

[stoic needle]

you should use CT over PB and definitely use subterfuge for huntsman. your garotte and rupture uptime both could use some work, and you're slightly delaying shiv

[cerulean nest]

ok awesome. thanks. good things to work on

how about just this straight ST one

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dm9bhvgYFckaDy8M#fight=20&type=damage-done

[stoic needle]

your vanishes and vendettas look good tho

[gusty mirage]

we're taking the night off of raiding, kill it for me sir

[icy crater]

yee

[cerulean nest]

thanks. first night really trying sin and it's crazy that i went from parsing in the 90s as sub to in the 30s-40s as sin and my dps is already so much higher

[stoic needle]

for huntsman you can try to build CP for SND on the spiders before the pull. if you don't do that, you'd go gar x2, snd, mut+shiv to 5cp, vendetta on huntsman, flag, rupture. from here, you can drop a 2-3cp rupture on the dog, or just wait until vendetta is over to rupture the dog. but after rupture you should put up CT. after that continue the normal rotation and maintain dots on huntsman and the dog as much as you can.

[cerulean nest]

you mean the spider critters running around? lmao thats hilarious, okay

[gusty mirage]

its the 300 iq play

I do it in sanguine before the key goes in too lol

[cerulean nest]

never once considered that, def doing it now

[gusty mirage]

also learned you can't mfd the banner in theater on xav

made me sad

[stoic needle]

for your hungering log, it's similar stuff. try to keep garotte and rupture up more, you're holding shiv a bit, though the casts you missed because of consume are ok. consider cloaking consume so you can say in the whole time >:) cloak after the first tick and you can stay in and just keep dpsing.

i just realized you're NF not venthyr so ignore what i said about flag

[cerulean nest]

love it, these are the tips i need

[stoic needle]

for sepsis, you can vanish with 4s remaining on sepsis so that the last tick of sepsis is in your MA window

[cerulean nest]

and yeah im switching next reset, forgot the rejoining took two weeks instead of one

[stoic needle]

that's a decent dps boost

ic ic

[gusty mirage]

welcome home @cerulean nest

[cerulean nest]

im back baby

also my opener skill is clunky and dumb, hoping to iron that out soon

[stoic needle]

your opener was fine on hungering

[gusty mirage]

it's just muscle memory tbh

[cerulean nest]

im so used to speed-pressing my sub opener so having to wait a moment or two for sin means i overcast and have to compensate

[stoic needle]

multitarget openers are clunky to begin with

[gusty mirage]

you do it a couple dozen times and you'll be fine

[tidal gorge]

Is there some kinda weird reverse translation thing going on? I clicked on an EU character's armory page for comparison and these ability names are amazing. Jump off the Shovel is my new headcanon for Cheat Death

[stoic needle]

you have a lot of stuff to put up and not nearly enough energy to do it with

[cerulean nest]

yeah thats why i decided to go vigor for this first attempt

even though Ive been lurking and seeing most go DS

[stoic needle]

i'm venthyr and i still run vigor for huntsman

[cerulean nest]

oh okay

[cunning needle]

"Championship"

[stoic needle]

jump off the shovel omegalul

[gusty mirage]

Ah yes, jump off the shovel. Saved a few pulls for us before

[stoic needle]

miracle point

it's jump off the shovel forever now

[gusty mirage]

Subt = Illusion

[stoic needle]

illusion of being a spec

[cunning needle]

inc surumar WQ flashbacks

[gusty mirage]

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

[cerulean nest]

how about for sun king? i went sub tonight because i thought my burst would be better for shields but if there's a solid build for it I would love to swap

[stoic needle]

Uhm

[gusty mirage]

I just go regular ST build and hold my CDs for shield

sun king's a cluster fuck tbh

[stoic needle]

For sun king you could probably run MfD NS EP with the MA leggo

But I still doubt that's more burst than sub

Fuck that dumb fight

[cerulean nest]

yeah its stupid, just tryna be as useful as I can

[gusty mirage]

yeah just try to do whatever you can to break the shield

that's essentially it

[cerulean nest]

either way the real victory tonight is finally getting 226 skulkers

[gusty mirage]

killed sire again today, still no dreadfire

[cerulean nest]

thanks though @gusty mirage @stoic needle i appreciate the tips

[stoic needle]

I'm so sorry

[gusty mirage]

226 skulkers seems like a great idea

until it kills you on hungering

ask our monk

[cerulean nest]

i've learned to wrangle that trinket to do my bidding. had it since launch

[stoic needle]

Hungering for a facefull of laser beam

[gusty mirage]

my gv was sad, but I get a 47 dps upgrade I guess

226 gloves I already have, 226 belt I already have, and a 226 ooze trink

[spare flame]

Can anyone give me an idea on how Assa runs on Mythic SLG? If parses are any indication its an obvious outlaw fight but were trying to kill not parse

[gusty mirage]

yeah, activate outlaw because that fight is miserable

and I'm not even trolling

outlaw's just better for slg

[spare flame]

fair enough

[cunning needle]

wouldnt sub be better for SLG than assi?

since you can "funnel"

[dawn ivy]

sub doesnt funnel well in that situation

[icy crater]

@gusty mirage 8%

[gusty mirage]

You got this!

[dawn ivy]

sub only funnels in situations where theres is one major target priority that everyone is hitting where you can instruct everyone to not cleave any of the off targets in the fight

SLG requires you to burst down the skirmishers who spawn as well as the intermission commando adds

[cunning needle]

ah yeah true

i was just thinking of the goliaths

[white orchid]

would it be better to get PI at start of a pull with lust or wait till after lust and stagger the haste buff if you are being buffed with PI?

[drifting cloud]

during vendetta

[white orchid]

so even if we lust at start with all CDs just get PI too? cool got it

[strange python]

am i missing venthyr soulbinds in pins somewhere that shows the conduits to take? or is it really single potency nadjia?

[dawn ivy]

single potency nadjia with lashing scars

is typical

[strange python]

ok interesting

[balmy condor]

the conduits are included in the screenshot

[grizzled orbit]

Should I use Flagg on CD for M sludge? Or should I always pair with CD's?

[drifting cloud]

cds

pull/2/4

[grizzled orbit]

ty ty

[loud niche]

hello people of places

[stiff vine]

Hey guys, currently progging council, just wondering if its worth to put bleeds up on 2nd boss for the energy procs (garrote + rupture or just garrote or just rupture). tytyty

[vital haven]

huge m sludge dude

[balmy condor]

yes, both

[drifting cloud]

wait both?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[drifting cloud]

werent you saying garrote not that long ago

[balmy condor]

we re-ran numbers

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

turns out both is worth

[drifting cloud]

is it a dishonest log?

[vital haven]

no PIs

[drifting cloud]

feels like Im always soaking back on like 2-3 pillars

[burnt latch]

Out of curiosity how big was the difference between no rup / with rupture?

[drifting cloud]

stupid weakaura

[balmy condor]

like 400-500

or do you mean in total?

gar + rup is like 150-200 better

than just gar

[drifting cloud]

the hell thats alot

[burnt latch]

Ah yeah ment total, thats really big tbf

[loud niche]

pepeMAD I called that a long time ago whispyr :c

[strange python]

The damage is removed from the logs on Warcraft logs

Only in game meters are wrong

On council that is

@drifting cloud

[drifting cloud]

thats the st gain my dude

I know the dmg is removed lol

[cold sparrow]

Full rup then?

And one question about opener: If I get a free ambush at the first Mut, do I SnD and then Ambush?

[wise gull]

12 parse on council forever engrained on my log

BUT ITS DEAD

[vital haven]

should see my first inerva kill @wise gull

[wise fiber]

Is there a way to know how much dmg output you got from PI? maybe i Wlogs?

[vital haven]

its big

[balmy condor]

not consistently, no

that's why it's so hard to determine who should get pi most of the time

you just kinda follow the sims, and feelcraft who your best player is

and pray that it's good enough

[wise gull]

Our raid lead was struggling a bit with p3 and asked me to help him out so I just went full raid lead mode and my dam went to absolute shit

and was dead for 7-8 seconds after getting recital & stone guard knockback at the exact same time

oh well

[brittle pawn]

cloak that

[regal chasm]

Sim is suggesting that going PB over CT is a minor loss in dslice but fairly significant gain in patchwerk. I guess this is cuz it underestimates how long mobs live in typical M+?

I mean putting aside that mobs are not gonna stand perfectly over PB

[balmy condor]

I don't know what the question is

[drifting cloud]

always ct in m+

[balmy condor]

CT is an aoe talent

PB is passive

PB being passive makes it the go to in single target

CT being an aoe pump machine making it the go to in m+

[regal chasm]

I meant, it's only showing PB as abt 30 dps below CT in dslice.; i was expecting more

Whereas it's 100 dps above CT in ST

[balmy condor]

what legendary are you running

[regal chasm]

This particular sim was with doomblade

but i recall the results werent that different w zold

[wise gull]

i cloaked the previous recital cuz it was scuffed ):

[brittle pawn]

doesnt dashing actually make pb good in dungeon

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

can you link the sim?

[regal chasm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2BSz8nVCF7vXF8T3Q1CJpR

[balmy condor]

PB is 160 down in that sim?

can you link me the one that's 30 down?

[stoic needle]

it's only 30 down from your currently equipped gear

i think they were misreading the sim

[balmy condor]

yeh makes sense

[regal chasm]

yes im a moron

sorry

[balmy condor]

happens

all good

[indigo jolt]

is it ok to hold shiv for a second or two while pooling energy for the shiv window?

[balmy condor]

technically, yes

in theory, no

[indigo jolt]

theory being youll get less casts over the fight?

[balmy condor]

yeh

you should be pooling on envenoms out of shiv

so the problem shouldn't really happen

[indigo jolt]

and by pooling out of shiv you mean not overriding the envenom buff early?

[balmy condor]

if you're out of shiv, you hold onto your cp until about 30 energy from cap

and then envenom

during shiv/vend/flag

you slam

[dawn lake]

Venthyr the move for highest dps?

[balmy condor]

depending on situation, yes

[brittle pawn]

chad move is go covenantless

[harsh jasper]

does shiv buff phial damage

[balmy condor]

no

trinkets are not buffed by anything

[velvet nacelle]

on heroic/mythic hungering are you guys just staying close on expunge and eating your circles?

[balmy condor]

ye

unless you're low health

then obviously very spooky

[velvet nacelle]

we've only downed hungering twice now on mythic so i'm kind of afraid to put extra load on our healers

[minor anchor]

Eat the circle with cheat death. What's the point of taking the talent if you aren't using it for more uptime?

[balmy condor]

[velvet nacelle]

i don't take cheat death, i take elusiveness

[balmy condor]

what a maniac

I respect it though

[velvet nacelle]

we're not in farm/pad mode, i usually just use cheat death for padding through mechanics the way @minor anchor just said

but i try not to lean on it during progression/learning

[minor anchor]

Yeah. Plus cheat death wont really save you from miasma since the next two ticks will just kill you anyways.

[velvet nacelle]

i'm feinting a fuckton on our hungering kills atm still too

[brittle pawn]

just feint before circle pops and you eat orb

[velvet nacelle]

i ran pure ST for our sun king kill last week but i kinda wanna see if i can pad my parses a little now that other people are learning how to time cds on the shields

@brittle pawn that's sort of what i was thinking of doing when if i start pushing parses

[brittle pawn]

what else is there to feint?

oh i feint when we run out for consume

or did

now i just cloak it

[velvet nacelle]

i also feint for consumes

[minor anchor]

feint the first tick, cloak the rest

[velvet nacelle]

i'm still saving cloak for bad overlaps

[minor anchor]

dont bother honestly

you lose so much damage running out

[gloomy fern]

Cloak is a dps cd, u don't need feint to eat orbs either they do 0 dmg

[velvet nacelle]

we just started mythic a few weeks ago but i'm also noticing when we did our alt run in heroic that my parses are down quite a bit

orbs do like 13-15k

it's not crazy but it feels like our healers go from bored to super stressed on a moments notice in that fight still

we have 2 kills and our best kill time is 6:40 haha

[brittle pawn]

jesus

wait i was looking at our heroic

nm its not much different lol

4:38 mythic

[velvet nacelle]

i mean as far as i'm concerned, 2 kills is still "progression"

[brittle pawn]

yea

our first kill was 6:39

[velvet nacelle]

especially considering that we didn't one shot it last week, was like 6 pulls

[brittle pawn]

took us like 80 pulls to get, too

[velvet nacelle]

before our first kill our best pull was like 40% too

people just finally figured out how to stay alive

the personal responsibility in that fight is nuts, i don't mind since i usually bust my ass to stay alive, but you lose like 2 people early and it just snowballs

[heavy skiff]

Is the old bis list still arround? RL wants a bis list...

[brittle pawn]

yea it's a cyclical fight

get the first round down and its just a matter of pulling it off 2 more times

[velvet nacelle]

2...or more haha

!bis

[heavy skiff]

And there is no pint trying to convince her that bis lists dont rly help

[balmy condor]

then there's no point trying to show her one

[velvet nacelle]

i haven't had to give a RL a bis slot since htey made raids personal loot

bis list*

[balmy condor]

if she has a problem with that, let her know she's welcome to come here and argue with me about it :)

[heavy skiff]

If i dont show her one then she doesnt let me loot :(

[brittle pawn]

take a screenshot

[balmy condor]

then you need to leave the guild

[heavy skiff]

I just want to send it and forget about it

[brittle pawn]

hello raidleader, there is no such thing as a bis list and you're bad

[velvet nacelle]

sounds like you should find a less archaic guild

[heavy skiff]

Oh teust me u dont qant to argue with her lol

[balmy condor]

yeah but I have the mute button

[heavy skiff]

Nah i rly like them xD

[balmy condor]

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, that doesn't sound like a fun/healthy raid environment

[balmy condor]

tell her bis list doesn't exist

[heavy skiff]

Trust me i did

Many times

[balmy condor]

well then

unlucky

[velvet nacelle]

so how does it work in your guild, every drop you trade to the RL then they distribute it back to you?

[balmy condor]

the majority of specs don't have a bis list

[heavy skiff]

No list for me then hm?

[balmy condor]

so I guess the majority of your raid doesn't loot

[hazy crater]

unluck indeed

[balmy condor]

have fun vendoring all those drops

[hazy crater]

or luck for the enchanter I guess

[fallow otter]

The best you could get would be outlaw for example you could say, anything that doesn't have mastery

[velvet nacelle]

i mean stat priorities change based on your current gear too, so other than the outlaw example, there's not like ONE Item that's going to be right for a slot

[heavy skiff]

Yeah i know

[balmy condor]

do mages get loot in your guild?

[heavy skiff]

And i agree 100%

[velvet nacelle]

tell your RL that you came in here

and people made fun of her

and that we were thoroughly unhelpful, albeit entertaining and handsome

[median igloo]

Tell her the 233 pieces are bis

[velvet nacelle]

the handsome part is important

don't forget that

[balmy condor]

do druids get loot in your guild?

[velvet nacelle]

also, we all have bruce lee abs

[balmy condor]

does anyone get loot?

[velvet nacelle]

oh i have another raid question

[heavy skiff]

Yeah but now she wants the bis list

[velvet nacelle]

how the fuck are you guys parsing so goddamn high for SLG? those intermissions are so long

[balmy condor]

but how will that work

[heavy skiff]

Cause she thinks we loot things we dont need

[balmy condor]

okay

[thorny rose]

[balmy condor]

well then send her a droptimizer sim

if that's the concern

then droptimize every character every week

and send that to her

[loud light]

also send a new one after every new item you equip

[hazy crater]

Im no expert but I think the "fast strat" helps a lot

[balmy condor]

just flood her

with droptimizers

[velvet nacelle]

googling "fast strat"

[balmy condor]

and eventually she'll hopefully get tired of it

and give up on her delusional nonsense

[hazy crater]

It's when you bring extra Goliaths to intermission so it goes super fast

[velvet nacelle]

if she thinks you guys ar elooting shit you don't need and affecting progression of the guild

[hazy crater]

because it drops the 30% orb

[velvet nacelle]

then she needs to kick people out of the raid that she thinks are doing that (which i highly doubt anyone is doing)

[thorny rose]

have you asked what your other guildies are doing about this

bc like whispyr said many classes don’t have bis lists to give out

[velvet nacelle]

hmm, interesting

[thorny rose]

so I gotta imagine you’re not the only one with this problem

[heavy skiff]

Prob the same thing as me

Just grab a random "bis" list and send it

[thorny rose]

Lol yeah that’s probably what id do in your shoes

[heavy skiff]

Just screenshot the simc profile and be done with it

[thorny rose]

just hope she doesn’t use that to later hold gear from you that is actually best for you at that time

[velvet nacelle]

i think @balmy condor has the most reasonable suggestion of just sending her the droptimizer sim results for the raid

and then update it every week

[heavy skiff]

I like the droptimizer thing tho

[median igloo]

What's your guilds prog, out of curiosity

[balmy condor]

sounds like 2/10 normal

tbh

[velvet nacelle]

and if you get an item that changes your list for that week send her the new list mid raid

haha savage

[heavy skiff]

5/10M

[balmy condor]

Y I K E S

get a new raid lead

[faint harness]

Just give all loot to yellow class

[balmy condor]

would you like me to make you a troll bis list

[heavy skiff]

Lol i would love to

[brittle pawn]

what loot do you want? put that on

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure I can type "boobs" into the dps

if I try hard enough

[hazy crater]

[gloomy fern]

I mean you actually kinda don't want anything but inerva ring until council

[fallow otter]

I do not support this idea

[faint harness]

Nobody cares about monks

Why need loot when all ur dmg is just waiting for a proc anyway

[heavy skiff]

And thats why i have a lot of M+ gear

[balmy condor]

whats your favorite raid

ever

[heavy skiff]

Prob antorus

But just cause it was the firat raid i raided knowing what the hell i was doing lol

[fallow otter]

Your bis weapon is gonna be "staff of the boobs antorus"

I hope it drops

[balmy condor]

perfect, give me a couple more minutes

[rigid yacht]

Hi, i haven't played any assa in SL this far and was wondering, which legendary is the go to for Raid and M+ aside from the 100% crit

[balmy condor]

all in the pins

[rigid yacht]

Ah sry, didn't check my bad
Thanks tho :)

[wispy surge]

Assasination raid and outlaw m+ or just get a set of daggers and assasination in both?

[balmy condor]

outlaw m+ for sure

[pale fossil]

Outlaw is also better on some raid fights. It depends what your raid group needs.

[wispy surge]

Yeah felt like it, assasination isnt even bad outlaw is just so good

[pale fossil]

The biggest issue I’m running into now is whether to swap Covenants, which is tough because Outlaw and Sin have different BiS covenants.

[stoic needle]

i mean you can do fine in both content with either covenant

just depends on what you want to specialize in

[heavy skiff]

Venth and necro are both ao close that it doesnt rly matter

[pale fossil]

Yeah. I don’t think I’m going to end up swapping.

[stoic needle]

your covenant wont be the thing stopping you from getting a 99 or pushing high keys

are you night fae rn?

[pale fossil]

Yeah.

[stoic needle]

ewwww lol

[pale fossil]

And already able to clear mythic bosses and KSM, so like you said not a huge roadblock.

[wispy surge]

Im venthyr and it sims highest for ass and second highest for outlaw

so i dont think theres much of a problem there

[stoic needle]

maybe im biased but flag and sbs are so nuts ur crazy to not take advantage of them

[pale fossil]

I’d swap, but I’ve almost unlocked the level 5 Garden 😦

[stoic needle]

i dont miss burrs or first strike one bit

sbs gives so much free cp its wild

and venthyr makes sin pretty well paced

[pale fossil]

Yes but the a e s t h e t i c s

[stoic needle]

yea venthyr is bis aesthetics

dont tell me you actually use the night fae mog

[pale fossil]

[stoic needle]

oh no no no

[pale fossil]

I’m 1) a noob so not many mogs and 2) a vulpera so everything looks weird.

[stoic needle]

vulpera

[pale fossil]

Mostly I want the mounts from the level 5 garden tbh

[stoic needle]

with as long as 9.1 will take you have time to level both NF and venthyr

[pale fossil]

Truuuu. I guess I could swap to Vent and hoard anima items haha

[sick cairn]

is the 100 energy tea still a thing? i saw someone have it in their consumables in a raiding guide

[balmy condor]

[pale fossil]

It’s a thing in Torghast but I thought it died otherwise

[balmy condor]

thistle tea hasn't been a thing since like wrath

[stoic needle]

i want to see this guide

[pale fossil]

I’ve never once chosen that power in Torghast haha

[stoic needle]

me either LOL

[pale fossil]

Maybe once because it was the only option and then I immediately forgot I had it for the rest of the run

[sick cairn]

i lost the guide since the moment i watched it i saw him have a rotation guide addon

i left immediately

[velvet nacelle]

i've been doing assassination in M+ since 9.0.5 since i just needed a break from outlaw dungeoning

been maintaining/using outlaw for m+ for anything "serious" since legion so it's nice that assassination can be "competitive"

i wasn't pushing crazy numbers as outlaw anyways, only like 5.5-6k overall and i'm pulling 5-5.5k overall on assassination so it doesn't feel like too big a hit

i know some folks are well above 6k on outlaw though so i probably just suck

[subtle tundra]

i've been doing really similar numbers or even more as assa last week

maybe im just bad at outlaw

[wide bolt]

idk ive tried doing keys as sin and not done nearly as well as i have with outlaw

can do like 6k+ everytime as outlaw

cant get near it as sin shit dies too quick or im bad at sin in keys 🤷‍♂️

[subtle tundra]

well last week i've done 7 mists between 15 and 17 alternating between outlaw and sin

and in general my overalls with sin were higher

over 7.5k

and as outlaw between 7-7.5k

but low sample size

also worth mentioning i was play celerity instead of MA even though MA was better last week

because of short trash fights

[faint harness]

mists is also a weird dungeon to compare

[subtle tundra]

yea i know

but my point is that the damage of assa isnt as bad as people make it out to be sometimes

[faint harness]

you probably did a fuckton more dmg to 1st boss as assa

[subtle tundra]

not really

[wide bolt]

outlaw with MA + KSpree + Flag blasts burst pretty hard

not boomkin/mage hard but ya know

[subtle tundra]

necrolord boy over here

[wide bolt]

hm even then save a couple charges get some ez combo points idk

[balmy condor]

@heavy skiff the sim is being stingy

not giving me the dps

[fierce tulip]

Does the Blindside/DS build get better or worse with more haste?

[balmy condor]

??????????

[fierce tulip]

alright new question. I don't want to play the blindside/ds build, is there any point where vigor and EP is better for pure ST

[balmy condor]

no

[velvet nacelle]

@subtle tundra i found outlaw to be pretty inconsistent, but assassination on 15+s has been solid and very consistent for me

[balmy condor]

with more gear going into next tier, we'll be playing EP deeper

[velvet nacelle]

under 15 trash dies too fast

[subtle tundra]

i've only done a single 20 on assa and it felt decent

but that was before being necrolord

and i think necro is really good on assa

m+

makes the opener so consistant

[fallow otter]

Hahaha

[subtle tundra]

in aoe

[fierce tulip]

honestly, Its just Blindside that I hate so I guess i'll be saved next tier

[fallow otter]

I don't understand what you mean by, it's there any point?

[subtle tundra]

i mean nothing is for sure if it will be better

[balmy condor]

that's a very hot take tbh

[subtle tundra]

and most likely it wont be

[wise gull]

Why do we hate blindside?

[balmy condor]

blindside is the only thing interesting on sin atm

[pale heart]

Blindside's great

free cp, you get to actually push buttons

[subtle tundra]

also assa has 0 procs in its kit meaning the rotation is very stale

[velvet nacelle]

i don't mind extra buttons

[vital haven]

blindside is awesome

[fallow otter]

Feelsbadman, short list

[velvet nacelle]

i don't get the desire for fewer button builds, most of this game is pretty simple/straightforward as is

[vital haven]

getting those free ambushes

[low girder]

remove MA

(the talent)

[fierce tulip]

I mean I guess it's fine, but I feel so starved without a proc. I'm used to playing sin as a spam an envenom every 6sec instead of sitting there with nothing to press at times

[fallow otter]

Yeh this is not have enough binds situation

[balmy condor]

yo I actually can't get the sim to boobs dps

[velvet nacelle]

@low girder yeah it seemed an odd choice to leave the talent and reintroduce the legendary

[low girder]

it's not even that, just 50% crit is bad

and has been bad

i hated it in bfa too

[wise gull]

i mean, don't you just feel more starved without blindside?

[balmy condor]

you would, yes

[fallow otter]

Demotion to redboi inc

[wise gull]

yeah, idk why he feels that way then

[balmy condor]

THE SIM HAS 40 DPS ERROR MARGIN

ITS NOT MY FAULT

[wise gull]

it's whispyrs fault

[balmy condor]

I've gotten 80084 twice, and I just rolled 80086

I'm so close

[fallow otter]

With great power comes great responsibility

[low girder]

the great responsibility of boobs

[balmy condor]

it's like typing messages into your calculator

except your calculator spits out random numbers at the end

[fallow otter]

Have you even simmed before bro

[balmy condor]

I actually hate this

I just want boobs

pain.

[wise gull]

lmfao

[velvet nacelle]

@balmy condor i believe in you

[fallow otter]

It's funny coz that guy left hours ago I bet

[balmy condor]

I'm 104 sims deep

we go, agane

[velvet nacelle]

i'm not saying you should cheat

but you can just edit the page in chrome

[fallow otter]

He'll be fully geared and have sire on farm at this rate

[balmy condor]

I need to send the link to someone though

[fallow otter]

You can send it to me mate

Ill still be here

[velvet nacelle]

ahh

[fallow otter]

In January

[balmy condor]

seri pls

let me have boob

[fallow otter]

🤣

You can have boob6

[balmy condor]

the fuck is this

IM GETTING THROTTLED

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

WAH

[indigo valley]

For doom blade leggo I should go haste crit? Mine are haste Vers atm because I’m stupid.

[balmy condor]

either are fine

[indigo valley]

Oh so I don’t need to worry about making another? I was told if I was worried about orange parses it might be worth it

[fallow otter]

What are your parses like atm?

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

[velvet nacelle]

good luck beating the pad lords, and the difference is negligible

also i'd be surprised if anyone that actually gets orange parses comes in here with questions like that, no offense

[indigo valley]

I got a 96 on shriek tonight :3 i haven’t raised serious since wrath and I’m still figuring out what’s most important. Since 9.0.5 I’ve been parsing purple for most stuff asa and outlaw, just trying to figure out what I can still work on.

[balmy condor]

I mean, that's a little rude

but aside from that

the difference between vers

and crit

is not why you can't parse

[indigo valley]

That’s what I figured, it was just suggested I switch and I didn’t bother asking what to switch it to. I can link my logs if that’d help.

[balmy condor]

I mean if you got a 96 on shriek

you know what you're doing

[subtle tundra]

well depending on your gear at some point haste verse might be better

it changes

[balmy condor]

just get a better fight time, higher ilvl, and a pi or 2

[low girder]

PI or 2

dishonesty

[balmy condor]

you do what you gotta

[velvet nacelle]

or you know, 100% uptime on PI

[balmy condor]

nah, we're not chinese

[velvet nacelle]

he said to "TEAMCHINA"

[vestal wren]

is that with premium?

[balmy condor]

@heavy skiff WE DID IT

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eGRHgKrbXDp9mhbwdPT9JA

BOOBS DPS

[balmy condor]

yes

[vestal wren]

highest tier or lower one?

[velvet nacelle]

@balmy condor hero status

[vestal wren]

oh wow

[indigo valley]

Grays

[shy dust]

Gatekeeing questions

[indigo valley]

Grats *

[shy dust]

Could always link a log and people can look over it.

Even high ranks will make mistakes

[low girder]

i enjoy the argus gear with 450 weapons

[indigo valley]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qvJFD2KyrC6zTPXQ#fight=2&type=damage-done

That’s shriek from tonight

[balmy condor]

the story is that the dudes raid lead wants everyone to link her a bis list for their spec to make sure they're not looting items for fun I guess

[edgy dune]

whats the best spec for mythic right now??

[balmy condor]

so I asked him what his favorite raid was

and it was antorus

[balmy condor]

sin, outlaw for some bosses

[low girder]

the fuck

[edgy dune]

I need serious rogue help

I just did 1.3 DPS in a 5 mythic

[velvet nacelle]

exactly

[balmy condor]

so because he said antorus

I threw on antorus gear :)

[low girder]

lmao

[low girder]

also i'm going to assume you meant 1.3k here

what's your gear like?

[edgy dune]

yah

[balmy condor]

1.3k

is uh

ouch

[edgy dune]

200 ilevel

[balmy condor]

are you just not using dots

[limber lion]

Something is definitely very, very wrong

[edgy dune]

people are getting pissed even thought its my key lol

[balmy condor]

or do you have talents unselected

[limber lion]

Do you have poisons on your weapons?

[edgy dune]

the ones that you cast?

[balmy condor]

yes

[edgy dune]

yah

[balmy condor]

deadly poison

subterfuge, make sure to stealth

3 garrotes from stealth

[shy dust]

You’re holding shiv

For too long

You’re missing out a cast in p1 due to this

[edgy dune]

how should be building combo points?

on big pulls with 3+

[tropic echo]

any of you ever do range adds on sire p2?

[balmy condor]

you mut on 3 targets, fok on 4+

[indigo valley]

Is the rule for holding shiv like holding flagellation? Only hold if it won’t cost you a cast?

[shy dust]

You’re meant to use shiv on cooldown

[limber lion]

Ye we start spamming Poisoned Knife on them, it's really good for them

Of course not, what

[tropic echo]

?

[velvet nacelle]

in a perfect world, when shiv comes off cd you have fairly fresh dots and a mostly full energy bar/cp

[shy dust]

You can hold it for vendetta if it’s less than 12 seconds

[limber lion]

You do not do ranged adds as a rogue, ever

[velvet nacelle]

so you can shiv > envenom, mut mut envenom, mut mut envenom

[limber lion]

You kill the melee adds and then pump the boss

[indigo valley]

So if I have dots to reapply I hold?

[velvet nacelle]

that, however, never happens for me since i don't get blindside procs or crits inside of my shiv windows almost ever

[shy dust]

No you just reapply

[tropic echo]

you can shadowstep the ranged add and door back, it's not an insane question to ask

[low girder]

no, slam it, but you should refresh before

[edgy dune]

I'm mostly having trouble on trash, big cleaves

[indigo valley]

Ok

[velvet nacelle]

whoever said bad RNG is not a personal trait never raided with me