assassination

[fallow otter]

I killed it yesterday on my alt lock and I would have died like 3 times coz pug connected to me... But... Just nothing happened. So weird when you have that range built into your brain haha

[limber lion]

Even with 4 melee we still had some awful rubble placement during our progression.

[fallow otter]

The 2nd pillar bait

Get that sorted

Helps a bunch

[shy dust]

That never felt bad for us

[limber lion]

We killed Sludge in 40 pulls

I think our strat is gucci

[shy dust]

I don’t think sludge ever had bad rubble placement

For us

And we ran 4 melee too

[limber lion]

I do have to emphasize

that our tank was just now kicked out of the roster for being bad and refusing to improve

So, it was probably a tank thing if something

[fallow otter]

The rubble at 2nd pillar after CDs, is like 100% on melee, can bait wall/left just for some extra freedom

When that one ends up where your goin instead, its still quite easy honestly but just more annoying

[austere gorge]

anyone have link which talent build to follow for raiding?

[limber lion]

The pins list all the talents.

[shy dust]

Read the pins

Can also look at WCL for each boss as assa

For a distribution of talents taken by the highest parsing sin rogues for each boss

But have to also take that with some knowledge of the fights because obvious padding can be at hand

[austere gorge]

If i want to change covenant to ventyt, would it also reset my mission tables, portal etc from start?

[low girder]

yes

[balmy condor]

yes

[shy dust]

Yes

[limber lion]

ye

[shy dust]

You keep the ret Paladin guy

[balmy condor]

each covenant is it's own thing

[shy dust]

And the hogger looking companion though

So if they’re leveled they can carry

[austere gorge]

oh ohhh hmm, is it worth changing from NF to vent? ::P

[fallow otter]

Hogger guy and pally guy

[shy dust]

[fallow otter]

Meatball sad

[shy dust]

Meatball there we go

And it’s up to you

The information is available to you

No one can tell you whether it’s worth it or not

[rapid lance]

I'm looking at covenants now as well and it's a hard decision. Using necrolord atm but SBS feels clunky to use

[fallow otter]

If you have spare game time and your reason is for more fun then why not

[austere gorge]

3-3-1-0-0-2-1 - Single target (Deeper Strat can be better with Venthyr, or decent haste) <---- what 0 means? anything ?

[balmy condor]

yep

those are utility rows

so the choice there has no change to your dps

[austere gorge]

ok got it. thanks

weapon enchants are still celestial and sinful right ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[split furnace]

Guys can someone pls help me the opener with venthyr covenant? Wowhead isn’t much specific and I feel like im doing so wrong

[balmy condor]

get snd up, then gar, pop your cds, rupture, pop shiv, and go ham

[tawdry falcon]

how many times does garrote have to tick for it to be a dps increase over mut?

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

cursed ass question

is that

[tawdry falcon]

how long does garrote have to be on a target for it to do more damage than a mut

not sure why that was confusing

[balmy condor]

because that depends on like

so many

different things

[tawdry falcon]

like haste right?

[balmy condor]

and mastery

and if you need the energy

and if you're subt buffing it

and the fact that you're comparing a dot with a cooldown to a filler generator for some reason

[tawdry falcon]

like for instance, how long would garrote have to stay on huntsman dogs for it to be a dps increase over a simple mut, despite it not lasting the entire duration

[balmy condor]

that actually confused me

even more than I was before

[tawdry falcon]

is ticks not used in wow?

[balmy condor]

why would you...

why are we comparing this

you should garrote both targets

[torn atlas]

You want both. Not one or the other.

[balmy condor]

you're comparing a dot

to an instant damage generator

[tawdry falcon]

yes'

[balmy condor]

and the dot

does WAY MORE

than just generate 1 cp

and do damage

it costs less

it deals its damage over time

it grants energy

[vale marten]

basically he is asking if the dog on huntsman dies in like 5 sec should he garote it or not

[tawdry falcon]

im guessing that comparing the two is just a ff thing then

[quasi ledge]

Not if the target doesn't last the full duration of garrote

[torn atlas]

I mean. If the dog dies in 5 seconds. Does it really matter.

[balmy condor]

^

but also

if that's the question

I would be floored

[tawdry falcon]

im trying to eek out as much dps as i can

so it matters to me

that is why i asked actually

[subtle tundra]

thats like a crit difference on an envenom

[balmy condor]

you asked a time to death question

by asking

ya know what

nvm

you garrote if the target will live for more than 12 seconds

if it won't

you don't garrote

[tawdry falcon]

maybe its just an FF thing because the globals are much longer in that game, so comparing a dot to an instant damage thing is important

[balmy condor]

realistically, just garrote

either way

I'm fried

and this conversation is cursed

so take that info and do with it whatever you please

[tawdry falcon]

12 seconds is a good standard

im guessing the garrote silence stops the dogs from casting?

[subtle tundra]

no

[tawdry falcon]

bah of course not

[balmy condor]

you can't silence bosses

[torn atlas]

Garrote silence only from stealth and not on bosses.

[tawdry falcon]

yeah i was thinking vanish garrote

[balmy condor]

are these actual things

you have to think about

in final fantasy

[tawdry falcon]

you mean like a dot vs instant damage? only if you want to min.max dps

[subtle tundra]

no, like silence a boss

[tawdry falcon]

oh no, you cant silence a boss in ff

you can the older bosses with a stun

[subtle tundra]

that sounds cancerous

[tawdry falcon]

eh its only ARR dungeon bosses that you can stun

[subtle tundra]

ARRRRR like a pirate?

[tawdry falcon]

and theres 1 glitch that requires it

you can cut the encounter time in half with 2 stuns on one of the 8 man raid bosses.

[balmy condor]

thank god I don't play ff

[tawdry falcon]

FF raids are dope man, tons of fun

[subtle tundra]

they have cool visuals

[tawdry falcon]

for sure

[subtle tundra]

can you buy game time with ingame currency?

[tawdry falcon]

no

i wish they would add that

[subtle tundra]

ah

[tawdry falcon]

i think wow is unique in that regard though

[subtle tundra]

not even gonna consider playing that game then

[placid dawn]

you can buy game time with currency in runescape

[tawdry falcon]

shit i havent played that game in over 10 years

i quit around the time runescape 2 came out

[lofty shell]

they have pretty much the same system wow has, with wow token (called bonds in Runescape)

sell for ingame currency or redeem for sub

[zinc frost]

Lads/ladies what keys are people here running comfortably with sin?

[balmy condor]

like 18/19's

[tawdry falcon]

As sin, what do you guys normally get for stacks on the Flag? Im getting around 19-21 on average, but i feel that is low

[balmy condor]

I'm usually getting 25ish

[tawdry falcon]

ok i think my issue is that im not pooling enough

[zinc frost]

You running Zoldyck and MfD for high keys?

[balmy condor]

vigor is fine too

[zinc frost]

Okay excellent, gonna try 18 this reset, feeling competitive at least, even tho outlaw still slaps more. Refuse to roll the bones..

[lament dove]

the extra CC for outlaw is the bigger difference imho

[hard quarry]

hello, im intrested on lvling one character and have it as my main. im between rogue, warrior and paladin(although i hate Kyrian as covenant). im on the dps side and im into pve :raids, m+, dungeons and maaaaaaybe a bit of pvp. what would you suggest me? i cant make up my mind. i like all of them aestetically

[uneven belfry]

Enhancement shaman 😁

[pliant apex]

you shall rogue very muchb, play Sin

simple, straightforward, rewarding class.

[untold nest]

@hard quarry if u play pala you will eventually be forced to heal, if u play warr u will be forced to tank

Rogue u just deeps

Assa for raids, OL for m+ and have fun

[hard quarry]

@untold nest ty very much. In torghast, do you guyz struggle as well or was just me??

[untold nest]

Not really tbh but cld be ilvl and inexperience with class

Also rogue aint "stupidly" broken in torgh, its just good

[lament dove]

Torghast is an itemlevel and lucky-powers game imho...
for me it was easy in the beginning and at the end, struggled in the middle layers of TC, then it was a breeze at the end

[untold nest]

Jusst stack enough defensives to perma up evasion and cloak :D

For TC not normal torg ofc

[compact pumice]

Or just don’t get enough defensives and get 1-shot in later parts

Normal torghast is a speedrun competition. Should be able to get it down to like 6-7 minutes

[final star]

doing a nice easy 15 mists

dk goes afk after first pride

during pride buff

then proceeds to blame us when we don't time it

Now he's spamming me on his 5th character now with whispers

[dense hamlet]

[final star]

clearly it was me who was the issue, right

[zinc frost]

We were legit doing a 15 necro today, hunter makes us wipe on second boss says “sorry guys I needed to time this” than leaves as if he didn’t just wipe the group..

[final star]

It really is mind boggling

taking 1/3 of the dungeon time

to clear the first boss

[limber lion]

Is that details? I wanna see what covenant my boys are using as well :o

Or recount

Or skada

Or one of the thousand other damage addons that all look the same

[balmy condor]

it's a details plugin im pretty sure

no one uses recount and skada in 2021

[limber lion]

I have a friend who does because apparently "skada uses less memory so I lag less"

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

But alright cheers, I'll have to look into it

[balmy condor]

me and fuu had a conversation about lag through addons

and it ended up with me loading every addon I ever installed

having it use 900mb of memory

and then testing my fps with them on vs off

and it was like

2 fps

out of 155

[limber lion]

Yeeh

Did you try it out in the raid or just idling in Oribos?

[balmy condor]

both

[limber lion]

Ah

[subtle tundra]

maybe if they have 4gbs of memory

[limber lion]

But yeh, pretty sure WoW already reserves a lot of memory for it, even though it necessarily doesn't use it all

[subtle tundra]

and want to conserve

[balmy condor]

yeah

I guess laptop gamers

with a 2008 chromebook

or some really fucking bad pc

[subtle tundra]

my gm is a laptop gamer man he plays in pixels

[balmy condor]

that doesn't meet minimums

[limber lion]

Just stick to candy crush at that point.

Or facebook tetris

[final star]

Details | Skada covenants

addon

[limber lion]

Skada covenants?

So they are working together after all.

Skada is bad so they just make plugins for details instead.

But cheers!

[final star]

No it just works for both

It's an addon not a plugin

[echo crystal]

Ive just changed to Necrolord because of Outlaw and being done with progression, but looking at the necrolord logs vs venthyr logs when it comes to assa, it seems necrolord is pretty useless.
So my question is, is that simply because less top players would play necrolord assa, or are the sims putting necrolord + venthyr closer tha nthey actually are?

[limber lion]

Ahhhh okay interesting

[balmy condor]

the former

theres just more venthyr

[final star]

Spoke to one of the people in that dudes guild

apparently he's a bit toxic usually, so now they are worried

He went through the effort of linking me my own logs, my own CE achieves, my own rio, whisper me on 5 seperate characters

the least I could do is speak to an officer in his guild

[limber lion]

Some people are just a bit smoothbrain.

There's quite a lot of toxic people who take their toxicity to the next level

Idk, I never understood toxicity in games.

[ancient kraken]

he either never learned how to behave or has something to conpensate

[limber lion]

You can be frustrated at your team and whatever, but if you start hardcore insulting your team, you'll just cause them to play worse and perform worse than they already are.

Flaming is never worth

[wary pawn]

for sludgefist fight assa is so much better than outlaw right? im so lazy about swapping to it zzz necrolord atm too..

[limber lion]

Yes, Assa is better.

[balmy condor]

its better yes

[junior patrol]

Anyone playing necro and assa ?

[limber lion]

But you can play Necrolord just fine with it. You don't need to swap to Venthyr just to play Assa.

[limber lion]

Quite a lot of people are.

[wary pawn]

how much dps id lose? alot?

[limber lion]

Can't say for sure how much you'd lose in Sludge, but it's not that much.

Look at the pins for sims.

[junior patrol]

But SBS feels a lil bit useless if you are choosing heirmir?

[limber lion]

AFAIK Necro sims very slightly more currently than what the pins say.

[limber lion]

Why?

[junior patrol]

It feels like if i would not use it, there is no difference

You just use it to get exactly max cp right?

On single target

[balmy condor]

no

you just cast it

for essentially free cp

and a dot

its a very cheap generator

that hits quite hard

and the dot is free damage

so

[limber lion]

Yeh, use it whenever without letting it overcap

ez

[junior patrol]

At the beginning of the boss fight u try to use all charges of SBS and then on cd?

[limber lion]

No, you press it once to get the dot running

Then you use it whenever you want without overcapping. Usually either during Shiv windows for more generators or just whenever in place of Muti.

[junior patrol]

And try not to overcap the 3 charges?

[limber lion]

I'm scared of saying anything in case it's wrong, because I'm not 100% sure if there's some optimization to be made.

But yeh, you don't let it overcap

[junior patrol]

But it doesnt matter if i have 2 charges unless i dont get the 3rd?

[limber lion]

Yes

Just like energy. You can literally not press any buttons, as long as you don't overcap energy

[compact pumice]

Don't you want to be at 0 charges as the boss dies though, logically?

[limber lion]

Yeh

[ancient kraken]

i like using them during shiv for easy cp

[limber lion]

And during Vendetta windows you obviously want to use it if you're starving for energy

[digital zodiac]

any preferences over Phantom Fire vs Agi pot?

[ancient kraken]

st vs 2 targets +

[misty holly]

SBS useless 😦

[balmy condor]

I use agi just for consistency

[balmy condor]

not using SF

[junior patrol]

Read my text again

[misty holly]

I am, it shows up a line down.

it only does about 1.5-2.0%

[junior patrol]

I was talking about ST

[balmy condor]

really?

[misty holly]

This must have been a 1.5 run

[balmy condor]

thats crazy

[junior patrol]

For sure snapping it should be worth

[ancient kraken]

i mean it has a 45% proc chance so it should be roughly 45% of the dot dmg?

[misty holly]

might be higher even, since it can crit, and the base dot can't I think.

I only have the 42% version

[limber lion]

Fire and Agi both sim very similarly, but Agi is just consistent. Fire potion is rng.

[misty holly]

I get strange damage numbers from Sudden Fractures a lot, things i wouldnt expect.

since the normal SBS tick is very consistent

doing a quick target dummy right now see if it shows up

yep seeing it still here

SBS ticks for 335 or 334 damage every time. no crits.

sudden fractures ticks for only 264

but can crit for 529

why is it only 264? I dont know.

maybe master isnt effecting it?

something else?

[ancient kraken]

hm

[misty holly]

my mastery is 26.57%

does that math work out?

[ancient kraken]

yes

thats 334

[misty holly]

guess thats it. mastery doesnt effect SBS ticks

[ancient kraken]

seems like it

[misty holly]

I mean...sudden fractures

not SBS

[ancient kraken]

yeah makes sense

but its worded like

do damage a second time?

right

so

not sure right now

[misty holly]

hopefully the sims have that right

because after 9.0.5 they all started telling necrolords to go SF

but I think its fairly close to the shiv conduit

so a small error like that might change things

[ancient kraken]

curious, can you give me the exact wording right now

[limber lion]

"Serrated Bone Spike's bleed has a X% chance to deal its damage a second time."

@ancient kraken

[proper belfry]

I got my 187 dagger from covenant now, but what is the best way to get another around the same ilvl? My offhand dagger is only 146..

[ancient kraken]

yeah the wording is kinda misleading

[ancient kraken]

dungeons or pvp

[proper belfry]

ok thanks

[marble hemlock]

@misty holly yeah, SF isnt affected by mastery at the moment

they just didnt add SF to the mastery whitelist, and the sims do reflect that (as they take spelldata directly from the game)

[rancid warren]

recently ive been rolling assass for tyrannical m+(15~17). What talent should I choose to maximize overall DPS?(PB, Hidden blades, CT)

Im pretty sure ill have to pick CT in fortified

[marble hemlock]

ct still

the dps gain on st from running PB is super minor

and not worth it. will maybe save you a second on a 2minute bossfight. most likely less than a second

[dark crag]

Is sepsis working with assa mastery?

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

CT for all dungeons always. You pretty much only run PB if you use the Dashing Scoundrel legendary

[rancid warren]

Thx:)

[austere gorge]

hello, what is the opening and sequence from invis?

using the talent build from pins

Single target

[gusty mirage]

Mutilate > SnD > Mutilate > Garrote > Flagellation (if venthyr) > vendetta > rupture and then go ham

Assuming you’re specced into master assassin

[austere gorge]

what is ham? 😛

[gusty mirage]

The normal rotation

[austere gorge]

oh ok . thank you

[gusty mirage]

Build cp, shiv, envenom, rinse and repeat while maintaining bleeds etc

[austere gorge]

bleeds are rupture and garrote right ?

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers, just try to make sure you’re not refreshing them during a shiv window. Even if it means refreshing a bit early

[austere gorge]

so meaning, have to pop shiv while garrote and rupture is up like > 10 seconds ?

[gusty mirage]

Pop shiv on CD

But if you see that rupture or garrote will expire during that window, refresh them first and then shiv

[austere gorge]

ok. noted. thanks oxi

[gusty mirage]

[austere gorge]

main cp generator is mutilate right ?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, you only use fan to build if there are 4+ targets I believe

[austere gorge]

got it. thanks! 🙂

[marble hemlock]

psure even with dashing you dont wanna run PB

maintaining CT is still the best bang for your buck even with dashing

[wary ice]

do you actually not shiv the opener or was it just left out?

I usually shiv before the vendetta hen vanish m-e-m

[austere gorge]

question: why open on mutilate instead of ambush which award 2cp and higher damage?

[wary ice]

!mutilate

Oh dang

Its cause of crit/cp/poison procs etc

[austere gorge]

ok ok 😛

thanks

[plain thistle]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[pseudo hamlet]

"from sepsis"

[wary ice]

I never understood what made the sepsis proc worth it

but im not nf so i dont have to care 🙂

[austere gorge]

Lethal poison = iLvel 213
Well-placed = ilvl 200

should i go with LP ?

difference is 1%

nvm. il sim it

thanks

[gusty mirage]

I shiv after the rupture

[wary ice]

also makes sense

like m-shiv-vanish-e-m-e?

[gusty mirage]

Yep!

Sometimes if I’m feeling saucy I’ll fat finger vanish early

[wary ice]

truly inspired

[gusty mirage]

Then I just get sad for 2 minutes

[wary ice]

thats me on most fights

[alpine garden]

As sad as when you get a zero crit mut in the MA window?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[alpine garden]

Dang that some sad

[gusty mirage]

Nothing like accidentally hitting vanish early AND getting a 2pt mut in the MA window

[alpine garden]

Killed heroic sire last night, can't get into a +10 this afternoon 😦

[wary ice]

do yall use your blind side in the ma window when you get the proc leading into the shiv? Like M->shiv is 5 and u just have a floating BS proc

[gusty mirage]

I just hit blindside on proc unless I’m going to overcap. Sometimes I’ll just be on autopilot and hit it anyway, which is a habit I should probably stop lol

[wary ice]

I've been doing Vanish env ambush mut

I figure emm/mem is acceptable; eam must be too

[austere gorge]

blindside? is it talent ?

i cant find it on my talent window

[plain thistle]

first row

last column

[austere gorge]

ok 🙂 thanks s

[karmic crystal]

Literally blindsided

[thorny pond]

It be like that sometimes

[subtle tundra]

raiding has nothing to do with m+ though

[thorny pond]

IO is king for keys

[frail fossil]

what tf doe killing hc sire tell me abt how good u are in keys dude

[thorny pond]

People look at your IO and your server after class/spec

[frail fossil]

killed sludge mythic yet cant get into 20+ keys questionmark

[thorny pond]

Did you queue as a DH tank or fire mage?

[brisk forge]

I am 2k assa Rogue, but alot of declines in 15s on none push weeks XD

[lament dove]

well only 5 people can fit into a group, and maybe they need BL/BR/ranged/covenant or something... I don't mind at all if i'm being declined tbh, just keep looking for the next group...

although nowadays I'm usually just doing my keys cause it's faster to put together a team than to get into a team...:)

[thorny pond]

I think the sentiment is that "rogues are bad" among the community and we don't bring a sought after utility like BL/BR/party buff so we get declined what feels more often

[frail fossil]

yeah we're only the most popular m+ melee class man

sucks to be us

[lament dove]

nah, I think if you apply to a group with less people, you get more chance to get invited, people invite big guns first, then they start to think "oh shit I need a BL and a 'insert covenenat here'"

at least under 20, I guess they are not that hasty in 20+ 🙂

[wary ice]

high key u get declined cause you're the 3rd dps applying toa 15

[gusty mirage]

but not the most popular class overall

[compact pumice]

Tbh so many people go for 15s I find it's easier to get invited to 17s etc depending on your io

[gusty mirage]

Honestly I used to get declined from 10s in BFA s4 with a 3k io. It happens guys

[wary ice]

If you ever host your own keys u see how many people apply

now minus 3

and make a reddit post about how you get decliend for playing X class for the rest

[gusty mirage]

Got a 15 mists on a nonpush week? You’ll see literally about 100 applicants for 2 dps spots lol

[wary ice]

lots of people dont take high io for low keys cause they think they'll leave

which i will so good >:)

[gusty mirage]

I always stick around, I’m a believer like that meme that circled around Reddit “20 deaths - we can still time it guys”

[wary ice]

lol

honestly theres like no reason to stay ina dead key either you need it for achievements and its wasted time or you need it for loot and ur WASTING TIME 😠

[gusty mirage]

But my anima power

I stuck around in a disaster wake once and was rewarded with the Mount

[wary ice]

I mean if the keys marked like completion or something like

you know what you're getting into and ur obligated to stay

but tuesday night, 14 pf and we got 10m on the time before 1st boss

im outie sorry fam

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay the “1200 io fire mage” pulling 4.2k dps overall will end up leaving first so I don’t have to be the one who ripped the key

[neat swallow]

been playing assass for sludgefist prog, was already venthyr but looking to switch necro for outlaw m+/SLG, i lose only like 50 dps on ST sims but i was wondering how much better venthyr actually is for sludge

[wary ice]

Always gotta take one Mage-Azralon

[neat swallow]

in short, would i be inting to go necro assass on prog sludge?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I personally would run CT in every single dungeon regardless of affixes. I heard that PB pulled ahead with Dashing Scoundrel, but after simming it myself, I stand corrected. But CT is also more fun, so I'm fine with it. :p

[gusty mirage]

It’s mage roulette, they’re either the greatest non-MDI mage to ever play or they’re horrible

[wary ice]

not at all

[alpine garden]

Nothing? I was just comparing two things and being sad

But go off I guess?

[wary ice]

i honestly dont take mages or boomkins to my keys

Theres a reason hey're pugging

[gusty mirage]

I take whoever tbh, idc I just want to do things

[wary ice]

Season 4 bfa it was the same with DH

[gusty mirage]

Running around oribos gets boring after an hour

[wary ice]

may i introduce you to the peggle addon :^)

[median hound]

the question is: do you want to play outlaw? if you want to stay sin for progression then venthyr outshines necros all the time. do you push keys or just weekly +15s?

[subtle tundra]

the difference is close enough that you can just play what you like ngl

[neat swallow]

oh im only assass for sludgefist, i really dont have any interesting outside of the odd 3vs3 i do sometimes

interest*

[compact pumice]

The necro is really good for outlaw if that's what you prefer

[untold nest]

Then stay necro. Necro good for SLG too after

[neat swallow]

yea thats why i asked, my guild is pretty awful on damage but i dont think ill make the difference being venthyr/necro

[frail fossil]

it wont

[neat swallow]

its just that ill drop from top 3 dps to probs top 5

[untold nest]

Not having anyone dead on 4th pillar with BL will get u the kill, not being necro or venth

[compact pumice]

You'll probably increase raid dps helping coach the bottom people. Or at least focus on making your own dps as high as can be.

[frail fossil]

it's like 2% man u playing the spec well

[neat swallow]

and the monkey brains in my group will go ooga booga we're missing dps

[frail fossil]

is more important than ur cov

i played outlaw on prog

we still killed the boss

[icy crater]

carried

[frail fossil]

i literally killed the boss alone

[icy crater]

😮

[frail fossil]

during soft enrage

[neat swallow]

yea thank you, just needed confirmation

[frail fossil]

cheat death + heirmir op

[compact pumice]

Oh we talking normal?

😄

[subtle tundra]

if you hit soft enrage in normal yoinkers

[median hound]

yea, play whatever you want. if it's not mythic progression in the first 4 weeks of the new season, it doesnt matter. world firsters kill that shit with undergeared chars. dont let the smooth brains in your guild tell you anything. hell, play survival hunter

[subtle tundra]

i mean, yea thats true but that doesnt mean you cant try to compensate bad players by making the best decisions

[gusty mirage]

You had me until that last bit

But yeah if you like survival, more power to you

[compact pumice]

Dude just pay <Limit> Max to make a video saying your spec is above average then you can play whatever

[gusty mirage]

Can I do that? Because I’d love to see all my guild’s hunters switch survival

[lusty pivot]

limit and echo had 220+ avg ilvl on sire

[icy crater]

they killed slg at 215

[frail fossil]

yeah not on sludge, also they didn't have full soulbinds and stuff

burrs was unlocked way after rwf was over

[wary ice]

rolling it now thanks

[lusty pivot]

sure but ppl throw the undergeared around too commonly

[frail fossil]

anyway sludge will dead if u just dont die and press ur button correctly

[frail fossil]

i mean our gear and builds are much stronger now for ppl than back then for sure, sludge also got a health reduction nerf and stuff like that

it's true it's not just gear making bosses easier it's a mix of soulbinds row, nerf, specs being buffed(see assa being p insane on the fight with 9.0.5)

[gusty mirage]

The not dying part seems to be tricky for a lot of people

[icy crater]

just reduce the bosses health to 0 and the fight is over

its that simple

[median hound]

and those guys are literally no-lifers...

[frail fossil]

i mean the real trick to kill sludge is to bully ur ranged until they dont miss a soak

[gusty mirage]

I keep suggesting that to my RL and he tells me to shut up and be serious

[icy crater]

our RL suggested that once on a prog fight and we killed it first pull of the night

[frail fossil]

are u on council or sludge atm ?

[wary ice]

u cant suggest that on Sunking

[gusty mirage]

“Any suggestions?” “yeah if we just kill all 3 of the bosses before our health hits 0, we win” “.... shut up”

[median hound]

just heal him to full and you won the fight. easy

[icy crater]

Council, I thought we were going to kill it last week but our best shadow priest had to sit and they brought in an alt boomkin doing like 4k dps

and we weren't making checks

[frail fossil]

best % ?

[icy crater]

33% on last guy

on the first night

[gusty mirage]

So our ranged were padding on the waiters on Niklaus

And the lowest we got him on Thursday was 42%

Our tank was getting melted

[icy crater]

last raid we consistently wiped right after lust

too many waiters up blasting us and not enough dps

[gusty mirage]

If you kill the waiters during Nik they enraged everything in 12 yards

[icy crater]

ye

[gusty mirage]

Which is conveniently right next to where we tank Nik and kite the garg

And people are like “how did the tank die?!?”

[icy crater]

we also have 1 dk and 1 boomkin

which is kinda dog

[gusty mirage]

We have 2 boomies, idk how the first few waived of waiters aren’t dead before then

[icy crater]

also our boomie can't figure out how to convoke the attendant

[ionic kelp]

they are padding

[gusty mirage]

But I just zug zug, so it ain’t my job to figure it out

[icy crater]

just says it doesn't work

[gusty mirage]

Has he tried.... standing at max range?

[icy crater]

idk he just says he wont try any more

kinda tilted

[gusty mirage]

What a team player

[icy crater]

gm btw

also couldn't convoke on sks

[ionic kelp]

just gonna say it but I think he’s kinda smooth brain

[neat swallow]

i made our top dps boomkin RQ the guild cuz i told him he had to starsurge attendants ...

[crimson sleet]

Hey ^^ just startet Assa again and wanna play it for Sire Mythic progress ( because nice ST dps ) just did an HC sire to test it, can some good guys look over the log and say what i should improve fore mythic ? ^^

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjyX7xaJgwkAVHYr#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=19

[ancient cosmos]

Do you guys use flagellation after the opener or b4 ?

[ionic kelp]

during?

[ancient cosmos]

When tho, since the opener is Muti > SnD > muti > garrote > rupture> vendetta > shiv > vanish > muti till 4+ > envenom

[ionic kelp]

Mut SND Mut Garrote Ven Flag Rupture

[ancient cosmos]

Ah i see thanks

[gusty mirage]

Yeah stack agility

[lean rover]

as in choosing the stats you need to sim the highest possible ?

[gusty mirage]

As for secondary, just use top gear to pick the best combo for dps. No need to overthink it the robot at raidbots will do it for you

[lean rover]

thanksfully the robot is smarter and faster than us

[charred mango]

does anyone use thistle tea in raid? is that a thing?

[stoic needle]

No it shares CD with combat pots

[charred mango]

ah makes sense

[ancient cosmos]

On huntsman u dot the dog aswell right ?

garrote rupture etc

[plain thistle]

yes, and maintain poison

[fervent imp]

Hey guys. Doing Sludgefist mythic tonight. Any tips?

[stiff mountain]

does orc racial buff bleeds?

[lofty yarrow]

whaaaaaat ?@stiff mountain

[wintry mist]

@fervent imp https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6fYjqBKyvbnz7w2k#fight=3&view=replay thats a nice replay , i like the rogue positioning and movement ,he burst at the beginning of the fight, and on the first pillar ...

on the third pillar they went with 3:18 of fight ... and then he saved his burst for the 4th pillar

[solar vortex]

is crimson temp good for sire fight over bomb?

[drifting cloud]

not for prog

[solar vortex]

for pure dps

[wide bolt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2407&class=Rogue&difficulty=4 you can filter this by what spec and difficulty you play to see what top damaging talents are

[azure bronze]

how many stacks of flag do you guys generally get? 30 everytime or?

[solar vortex]

ok ill try that xerroth

[stoic needle]

20-25 usually, 30 is only really possible with thrill seeker, a haste trinket or lust

[azure bronze]

Aight thanks!

[wintry mist]

@solar vortex I am not a specialist lol ... but from my point of view I see it like this ... if your team is managing to evaporate the adds in the first stage ... the crismon tempest will not have time to cause much damage ... then I would go from PB

while in the second and third phases you can keep your dots in the sire, in Remornia and in the adds ...

Of course we have to consider that the crismon tempest is a bleed so we have + 5% damage in each evenon but as it is a finisher we will apply evenon .... end of the line i would stay with P.B

[wide bolt]

as assassination i dont think you should rely on padding adds in p1

other specs do it way better then us

and way faster

[wintry mist]

@wide bolt exactly

[wide bolt]

imo if youre in a situation where CT is the best pick as Sin just go outlaw

[solar vortex]

yeah thats what i figured, just wondering 😛

only my 1st week PVEing as assassin . Sim'ing 6.3k and actualyl doing 6.3k dps, so feels good so far LOL

but on multi bosses i sim like 8.3k and do 6.5~ ish also, so i need work LOL

what is outlaw, is that some sort of new event?

[burnt star]

Nah its a old event

Forgot about it 3 weeks ago

[uneven plume]

Oh you went from outlaw to sin? Nice! We’ll ask you to come off the bench if our WW doesn’t log on 😂

[peak smelt]

what does this even mean ww isn't even close to as good as rog right now. they should be benched

[scarlet swift]

they are relevant because of their 5% dmg buff

[peak smelt]

right which all monks bring but ya if you don't have a monk tank but their dps isn't even close to rog at this stage.

[lofty shell]

they buff all other melee tho

[peak smelt]

so do monk tanks

[lofty shell]

true that

seems like brewmaster is on a side trail rn tho

or atleast feels like it

[peak smelt]

idk we used monk tank us 20, and i'm sure they are better now with dh nerfs and other tank buffs

[lofty shell]

yee i mean just in popularity. Viability they're prob more than fine

everyone just went with dh 😛

[peak smelt]

you need 2 tanks though

ya some people did war tank because warrior dps was so low but its not anymore soooooo what other tank do you use

[lofty shell]

we run pala dk atm so yea ... 😛

[peak smelt]

ya so you don't even care about optimizing lol

just take what ya can

[lofty shell]

working with what we have prettty much

would like a monk in our raid tbh 😄

unless they bench me for him

[left loom]

guys on a raid evnironment burrs + well placed steel outweights tool poison+ well placed steel +and maim mangle when you cant interrupt boss ?

[stoic needle]

Yes

Even when you can interrupt the boss burrs is better

[compact pumice]

Inerva, CT or nah?

[spice spire]

Nah

[dawn ivy]

what bosses can we interupt this tier? council?

[spice spire]

Council only iirc

[left loom]

inerva ad comes to mind but no realy frequently

[compact pumice]

Inerva if you count adds

[limber lion]

Council, Inerva, Mythic Sire

[violet hemlock]

Sunking technically too

[charred wraith]

Dumb question, for sludge emeni with holding 2 sbs's for pillar or just heirmir?

[compact pumice]

By that criteria maybe even Sludgefist 😄

[violet hemlock]

what cast?

[limber lion]

By that criteria also Artificer when your team mates get hit by ghosts.

[atomic cape]

Hey, what was the command again to get the custom oil/stone sim text for raidbots?

[compact pumice]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[atomic cape]

Ah, was that simple heh. Thanks!

[tardy spruce]

hey guys quick question, IV recommends mutilate from stealth on pull, so do my sims, but im seeing a lot of logs with ambush from stealth on pull

could somebody give me a pointer on this please

[wild lion]

anyone got a secret tip how to get 226 pve weapon for reset?

[balmy condor]

Be lucky

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[tardy spruce]

thanks mate, much appreciated

[balmy condor]

Pleasure

[formal cliff]

samsies

[balmy condor]

If you want a real hot tip

Hit 2400 in pvp

[formal cliff]

cant

wont

[balmy condor]

That way you never have to worry about 226 daggers

[formal cliff]

ill cry

[balmy condor]

Well then kill mythic sire and just luck out on 233’s there

Easy

[shy dust]

just rbg

[formal cliff]

lmfao

[stoic needle]

Just loot one from the vault I have 226 dagger 226 hammer 223 and 220 dagger

[compact pumice]

or just troll yourself and loot 2x 226 Poxstorms on your alt

[manic igloo]

for raiding is master poisoner ok with zoldyck? or still blindside

[balmy condor]

Master poisoner is the worst talent in that row

[compact pumice]

pretty much pvp only

[fiery ore]

whats opening for ass?

[leaden garden]

In a m+ scenario, how far up on teh priotity is CT? should i get teh dot up before i put a rupture up?

[fiery ore]

ambush/snd/mut/garrote to 5 cp? vanish rup?

[balmy condor]

Usually mut snd mut gar rup vend shiv vanish

[balmy condor]

Subt garrotes > ct > ruptures until 5-6 bleeded targets > rupture on any big mobs that need to die > garrote until 5-6 bleeds > envenom

[leaden garden]

thanks!

[wild lion]

cr 2k but i hate to play with randoms and guildies doesnt push higher because they got their weapons but im just unlucky as hell never got weapons in 9.0 and still no pve weapon despite 8/10 mythic for weeks

[fiery ore]

kk thx @balmy condor

[wild lion]

and 3 mythic+ chests since sl start :/

i hate those weapon tokens especially who thought it would be a great idea to put 1 token on the 7th boss

[limber tapir]

@balmy condor why is it mut instead of ambush? More cp?

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[limber tapir]

That makes sense. Both daggers attack and both crit.

[arctic cloud]

Anyone good with sims here? Can i /w them if they are please?

[balmy condor]

whats the question

[arctic cloud]

sorted it, dont worry

thanks

[balmy condor]

sounds good

[wild lion]

bl on pull in sims?

[balmy condor]

yup

[sterile perch]

man i feel like i just suck with the assass rotation. i feel like my dps is just so behind even outlaw in single target.

im sure its a rotation issue. im just bad

[wild lion]

so my question should i still use ds (better with bl sims) or vigor (better without bl) on sludgefist

[balmy condor]

ds

[cerulean nest]

is it just me or is the melee range much tighter for attacks for sin than sub?

feel like i have to be right up in their grill

[wide bolt]

sin and sub are the same

outlaw can get 3 extra yards from a talent

[cerulean nest]

huh guess im imagining it

[neat pulsar]

in raid, the melee range can be quite different between different boss

[gusty mirage]

plus shadowstrike puts you in range automatically

from stealth

[cerulean nest]

yeah I think thats it^

[rapid lance]

Before I leave necro does anybody have any idea of optimal SBS timing in rotation?

[compact pumice]

From reading in here it seems:
Keep the stacks from maxing out, make sure you are at 0 as boss dies, use whenever you need CP but have low energy in place of muti

[sand gyro]

Opener takes some practice, apart from that it's maintaining rupture, and garotte and dump cps into Envenoms in Shiv windows. Hit Slice and Dice once, your Envenoms will keep it up for the rest of the fight

[cerulean nest]

should you only be doing envenoms within shiv windows? or just whenever you can

[rapid lance]

Fair enough, prob just ain't for me tbh, wanted to like it but hasn't been happening

[sand gyro]

If your Rupture/Garrote won't drop off use envenom but prioritise envenom especially on your shiv windows

[rapid lance]

In single target does a max hidden blades proc ever come close to poison bomb?

I guess over 40 sec since that's how long it takes to get it maxed

[balmy condor]

no

it definitely doesn't

[stark oxide]

Is it a fast way to up renonw I just switched

[balmy condor]

play the game

[stark oxide]

Oh thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[compact pumice]

tips: do a quick LFR

boost some friends in m0

[drifting cloud]

start with random hc/m0

[rapid lance]

Yeah, running low keys is easy way

[drifting cloud]

then you can do a raid diff or two before reset

and 1-2 days after reset youre gonna be 30~ easily

[rapid lance]

Plus it's good practice with new cov

[thin obsidian]

this is mayb e wierd question but im new to the spec and wounder what the most viable covenant for m+ contet mainly

?

[unborn root]

Outlaw spec.

[balmy condor]

all in the pins

[thin obsidian]

i mean for assassination

[pale fossil]

Does someone mind sharing a screencap of their keybinds? Learning Sin from Outlaw and it seems like there are fewer buttons.

[balmy condor]

just use what you use, but take away the ones you don't use

[cerulean nest]

enormous brain^

[balmy condor]

truly giga

I don't really get why people want to see other peoples binds

cause they're.... other peoples binds

i put fok on shift+4

and that's just nasty to people

but who cares

[pale fossil]

It wasn't to replicate them, it was just to make sure I'm not missing something obvious that I should have bound.

[balmy condor]

there's a handy spell book, built right into the game, just for that

[pale fossil]

Oooooook then

[balmy condor]

it even lights up if you don't have something on your bars

its very cool

[pale fossil]

Uh huh

[thin obsidian]

@balmy condor what about the best soulbind? is necrolord soulbinds good?

[balmy condor]

those are also in the pins

[thin obsidian]

u are the best ty!

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/homie-shower-gotchu-sneaky-gif-13813267

[charred mango]

where ar the pins tho i couldnt find the pins within the pins

[balmy condor]

[pale fossil]

Is Venari the only way to get a heroic (213) conduit for Well-Placed Steel? I can't find drop information beyond "it doesn't drop in Nathria"

[hollow escarp]

we did it boys

I also hate sin on this boss

[balmy condor]

correct

[pale fossil]

Rough.

[molten beacon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

Disgusting

[shy dust]

We almost have the same FOK bind Whispyr

My respect for you has grown

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

[cerulean nest]

should i be going vigor if I'm not venthyr?

i cant even do my opener without having to wait for energy

[balmy condor]

breaking news

slow spec

is slow

back to you jim

[strange python]

FOK on 7

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[strange python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/742748767945621504.gif?v=1

[stoic needle]

Seek help immediately

[hollow escarp]

mouse button

I have it on E

[spice spire]

FoK belongs on F

[hollow escarp]

FEINT

that's feint

[sinful cradle]

Feints shift 2 🙂

[stoic needle]

No, dpad up is feint

[spice spire]

That’s a DPS loss

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

oh i dont actually have f bound to anything

[hollow escarp]

Shift 2 is Crimson Vial

[strange python]

well i dont need it i guess

shift c is vial 🙂

[spice spire]

C is vial lol

[stoic needle]

Vial on mouse button

Duh

[balmy condor]

Shift F is Crimson Fial

[spice spire]

[sinful cradle]

C healthstone V vial

[hollow escarp]

so my opener is 2 C 2 1 V Shift+X R Shift+1 2 3 2 2 3

[spice spire]

I’m calling both the police and the Vatican rn

[hollow escarp]

forgot Q

which is Flagellation

[teal bloom]

crimson vial is F12 🙂

[strange python]

i go like 2 shiftR 2 5 shift4 e 3 1 2 > 4

[cerulean nest]

anyone have a weakaura that obviously shows shiv being active

just wanna not be starting at my unit frame

[spice spire]

1, 3, 1, 4, 1, E, 6, 7, 5, 2

[rapid lance]

Who presses 6 and 7?

[strange python]

me

[stoic needle]

I go E 1 E Q 3 V E R E R

[naive surge]

Long finger bois

[stoic needle]

Monsters

[teal bloom]

6 is arcane torrent 🙂

[strange python]

ctrl 6 is the longest keybind for me i guess

[spice spire]

Nah I got stubs. I’m just fastish with them

6 is flag, 7 is shiv

[pale fossil]

Why are the top Sin logs on Sludgefist so split between Elaborate Planning and Blindside?

[rapid lance]

Shiv on u, your cracked

7

[shy dust]

who tf

[rapid lance]

My shiv is on q

[shy dust]

uses 6 and 7

[spice spire]

nah I’m honestly just bad

[stoic needle]

Monsters

Who must be stopped

[shy dust]

extendo arms over here

[strange python]

the ones with ds EP had pis

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

iirc

[cerulean nest]

7 is always ranged. poisoned knife

[strange python]

im just running vigor EP for almost everything now though

[stoic needle]

Who tf is pressing 7

[spice spire]

6 and 7 like max that I do in normal rotation

[shy dust]

yall got some deformed hands

[spice spire]

I go all the way to 0 🙂

[shy dust]

to be using 6 and 7

[stoic needle]

Stop

[stoic needle]

I rebuke it in the name of the lord

[spice spire]

I actually forgot CT is on 8

9 is evasion, 0 is phial, and - is cloak

[strange python]

hitting - is very unreasonable

[pale fossil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

It’s just how I learned

[rapid lance]

Do you not use shift on ctrl?

Or

[strange python]

i use shift and ctrl

[spice spire]

Nope, it’s actually harder for me to stretch the pinky to that and hit the key than to hit the key and move back in place. I probably would if I tried to learn though.

[strange python]

not all binds on use tho since its sin after all

[rapid lance]

Set shift and ctrl to miss buttons, ezpz

Mouse

[strange python]

i only have 2 mouse buttons

and i only like using 1 of them

[spice spire]

My side button is also PTT, for when I do calls

[cerulean nest]

mouse buttons are interrupt and auto run lmao

[spice spire]

It’s also auto run, but int is q

[cerulean nest]

interrupt on mouse is nice

never have to search for it

[spice spire]

I used to have int on like = or some shut but that was too much. Q is a nice key that I never have to search for

[rapid lance]

Interrupt is squiggly next to 1 for me

[cerulean nest]

i dont have that bound to anything bc i always accidentally mash it going for 1

actually not true, thats my dismount button

[eternal lance]

yo guys ihave 3 dagger bleed on necro lord when im necro lord as assasin what is my rotation for aoe ?

can help me tnxs

serrated bone spike

[mighty bolt]

Guys does SBS bleed count for Envenom damage on doomblade?

[balmy condor]

yes

[mighty bolt]

Seems pretty strong then

[balmy condor]

not enough to make it stronger than venthyr

[pale fossil]

Why do sim openers start with Mutilate instead of Ambush?

[balmy condor]

but it is an interaction that exists

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[pale fossil]

Wild. I'm curious why you'd even choose to Ambush under those circumstances, then, but I'll take it at face value if the reasoning's too complicated.

[compact pumice]

You ambush with blindside because it has no energy proc

Not sure why sepsis though? I thought it was no ambush on sepsis

[pale fossil]

Ah, so it's a freebie. That makes sense.

[balmy condor]

it's been a back and forth with me and koji on it, I think he gave in finally

usually when you get the sepsis proc, the energy/cp thresholds are close enough to warrant the damage

[loud niche]

PogU finally upgrading from my 1080Ti with a ryzen 3800X, 16gb ddr4-3200 ram, and 2TB of ssd storage (dont remember my read/writes) to a 3090, with intel i9 11900K, 32gb ddr4-4000 ram, and 4TB of NVMe 7k read 5k write speeds WidePeepoHappy

[shy dust]

PogU

Grats

Not really related to assassination but still

[balmy condor]

that's

a lot of numbers

[loud niche]

sry, much excite.

[pale fossil]

When do you guys Vendetta against Sludge? Pull - 2nd - 4th pillar? Or do you hold it for 1st and 3rd?

Unless my timeline's messed up haha

[shy dust]

yes

if youre lusting 4th

pull/2/4

[pale fossil]

Got it. Do you hold it for 1st/3rd if you're lusting on one of those?

[shy dust]

ye

[balmy condor]

should always lust pillar 3 on a 3 pillar strat and pillar 4 on a 4 pillar

[burnt star]

Ya. If ur asking for mythic: lust will always be on 4th pillar. Worth to know that u can time your shiv to also always be on pillar

[pale fossil]

Yeah, I know our mythic group (currently progging sludge) lusts on fourth, but I'm not in the main group yet.

So was asking because I'll probably have to try to PUG Heroic Sludge to give them a reason to plug me in haha

[limber lion]

In heroic pugs they usually lust the first pillar. So be aware of that if you're looking to go big dick.

[balmy condor]

lusting first pillar

[pale fossil]

Yup, that's been my experience as well.

[balmy condor]

makes me

so fucking mad

[pale fossil]

First or third are what I see in Heroic PUGs most often.

[eternal lance]

hey bru

are u there ?

[formal cliff]

I picked up assassination for raid and decided to try it in M+ aswell, ended up enjoying the playstylle more than outlaw

Would you guys recommend me some Sin M+ streamer?

[dusky vault]

I have some on my youtube but its not really in a guided format just dungeon vids

[royal lantern]

Maybe seli will do some sin streams someday again

[balmy condor]

no, I'm never here

[eternal lance]

i loveu bru

😄

[royal lantern]

Hi never here

[balmy condor]

I'll fucking mute you right now try me

[royal lantern]

Im going too bed

:)

[eternal lance]

Bru can u give me rotation for + 5 man im necro i have 3 spike bleed blade

😐 plz ty

Hey

any one

[balmy condor]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-mythic-plus-tips

[gusty mirage]

[vital tapir]

[round harbor]

[obtuse bough]

Sludgefist prog getting PI on pull and 2nd pillar, do we think EP-Vigor would be better in that situation; lots of people running it on logs not sure if its just preference

[loud light]

Why would Vigor be better when you're getting a massive haste buff?

[obtuse bough]

Higher energy cap and you can keep EP up better with PI

[limber lion]

I tried simming various setups and EP/Vigor pulled ahead in most situations. The sims don't play with MFD quite optimally in regards to that fight and I couldn't be bothered to sim it, but legit, you can play any of the three talents and get r1 if you slap hard enough

Especially if you get PI

At that point you're already 250 dps ahead of others

Man can play Exsang and still perform better than people without PI playing Alacrity

[candid estuary]

why does the top rogue parse on sludgefist not include shiv casts?

[ionic kelp]

getting PI as sin, wtf

[candid estuary]

did I miss something

[uneven plume]

Anything special with necro sin raid rotation?

i know pins say nothing has changed but im new so

[balmy condor]

because logs were bugged

[daring pecan]

I think shiv casts were bugged

there you go

[limber lion]

The older sims are bugged

Logs*

[balmy condor]

sin is a fairly good PI target

[stoic needle]

its just like outlaw, substitute SBS for mutilate when you can outside of the MA window

[ionic kelp]

ya but its better to PI an unholy/firemage

[uneven plume]

and just keep bleeds rolling

[stoic needle]

maybe their fire mage or unholy is dogshit

[limber lion]

Source?

[stoic needle]

and he's a better player

[ionic kelp]

fire mage for bust, unholy for army

[uneven plume]

Vanish is used for ambush?

[obtuse bough]

I had to fight tooth and nail to pry it from our 4 fire mages who think they need it regardless of getting bust without PI

[uneven plume]

or garrote instead

[balmy condor]

not if your fire mage doesn't outdps you

[ionic kelp]

well ya i guess if we want to bring in player performance

[stoic needle]

garotte if you're running subterfuge, mutilate if you're running MA

[balmy condor]

why the fuck wouldn't you

[uneven plume]

im running doom

[ionic kelp]

im assuming players on equal level

[stoic needle]

MA talent

[ionic kelp]

in the case of why giving a sin player pi doesnt make sense to me

[uneven plume]

ahh talent

kk

gotchy

[ionic kelp]

but ya if u have a dogshit fire mage then it makes sense

[balmy condor]

in a void, you would pi sin PI if they're in execute with zold, unholy during army, and a fire mage otherwise

[obtuse bough]

I think people grossly overestimate PI for fire at current haste levels

[uneven plume]

on the opener we mutilate/ambush/garrote?

[obtuse bough]

I say that while fire is my 2nd character

[uneven plume]

im assuming mutilate as well

then vendetta and then get bleeds rolling?

[ionic kelp]

ya in a void

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[uneven plume]

ty

[ionic kelp]

on sludge prog, i would assume most people would still PI the locks on pillar 4 / execute

[obtuse bough]

Lock and Hunter are getting PI for pillar 4 in my comp

[ionic kelp]

we had two locks, and only two PIs, so thats we didnt give it to our hunters

[obtuse bough]

Tho tbh both of them are not great, i should probably get p4 too q:-)

[ionic kelp]

the only thing thats good about giving it to ranged there is that your melee soak can kinda fuck your positioning

[strange python]

being out of range on soak

is fun

[obtuse bough]

^

[ionic kelp]

literally 6s of last pillar, i did nto get to hit the boss once

felt terrible cause i still ended up top 5 after the mages/warlocks of course

[obtuse bough]

Im beating all but one of the fire mages and we are wiping before p4

[brisk drum]

the new soak timings make it worse too lol

[strange python]

pillar 4 is huge for boomies and locks

[obtuse bough]

@limber lion Thanks btw for all the info

[pallid shoal]

if a player what to swap between outlaw for M+ and sin for raids which covenant is best?

[balmy condor]

probably necro

venthyr would be fine too

fae would be a little behind

and kyrian would probably be the worst

[pallid shoal]

yeah right now im kyrain casue it was good at one point

[slow merlin]

Necrolord for sure - best for sin cleave and top for outlaw by far. Venthyr is worst for outlaw AOE, check the pins.

[pallid shoal]

ok

[tribal nest]

does mastery go up in value for m+? Trying to figure out how to do more dam...

without getting sword lel

[balmy condor]

yes

crit/mast is better in aoe

[slow merlin]

anyway, what I'm still missing is detailed sin m+ guide :[ Actually, even local pinned single target guides are not very detailed :-[

[final star]

just hit button

any alt gamers

[solar vortex]

Does weekly chest if doing mythic raid have chance to drop the 233 items as well or only 226 stuff pre slg?

[leaden flax]

You can only get Slg and Sire loot if you killed them. So if you killed 8/10 bosses you wont receive any 233 items

If you would clear Shriek/Sludge/Slg/Sire in a week you could receive 233 in the single slot you unlocked

[solar vortex]

Ahh good to know. thx!

[uneven plume]

Do we envenom at 5 or 6CP/

[pallid bough]

5-6 if running deeper stratagem

[balmy condor]

max-1

[uneven plume]

gotchya

[amber cairn]

does anyone know how accurate simming is with execute damage using Zoldyck? Like im trying to work out if i do a 5min Single Target Patchwork, is it then factoring Zoldyck coming in for the last 30% of the sim. (e.g. Target dies at 5m)? Hopefully the makes sense to someone 🙂

[balmy condor]

very accurately

[amber cairn]

So the targets health drops over the course of the sim?

[balmy condor]

sims have targets that it hits, so when bleeds tick, poisons hit, on one of the targets that are under 30% hp

it will trigger zold

as expected

[compact pumice]

If you mean patchwerk sim then he will be below 20% for 20% of the fight IIRC

[amber cairn]

Yeah. thats was wondering. So i assume for 5-Target patchwork, they would all drop in the same way. Last 30% of the timed fight they are below 30% health and Zoldyck trigger the bonus dmg

thanks for the info guys

[balmy condor]

roughly, yes

but that's not quite how it works, there is variance on quite a lot of things

raidbots by default also sims with a 20% time variance

so a 5 minute sim will actually sim 4-6 minutes

and within each one of those, there's slight differences in timing

so it might be 30%, but it could be like 32%, or 28%, or anywhere around there

because of when the target actually gets below 30%, and how your cooldowns line up to it

[cobalt flame]

Btw, didnt see anyone mention it. About that 233 vault people were messaging 1 Hour ago. If u killed SLG and Sire at least once on mythic u can get their loot in vault even if u didnt kill them week before.

After we killed Sire we had 2 weeks chill, just killing 7 (you needed 7 for 2 slots before) for 2 slots and people were getting a lot of 233 items