assassination

[desert rain]

And thats the only important part

[shadow pivot]

i think the general consensus is you don't bring assa for the adds but to focus the boss anyways, might as well go all-in on ST

[onyx wind]

yea i know u didnt, but im just explaining why people dont play SBS

[desert rain]

Saying SBS has its use for sire MM is just not true tho

Since p2 is irrelevant

[quasi ledge]

No one is gonna choose a covenant best for certain fights you're just gonna be benched on for anyway :p

[desert rain]

This

[onyx wind]

Yea SBS has use for sire mythic since its bugged

[desert rain]

At least for super hzrxore guilds

Oh yeha true

[frail fossil]

that is not true bro

u wanna push p2 at the right time

[onyx wind]

but all phases matter on sire, just p3 matters a lot more

[desert rain]

Obviously

[frail fossil]

p3 is where the race begins yes

but u need dmg on p2 and to kill the adds

at the right time

so for any progging guild

p2 is important

[onyx wind]

I think SBS is for sure easier to get value out of on fights such as SLG and sire

[limber lion]

The fact is that Necrolord is really strong for any encounter with:
A lot of adds for reset
2+ consistent targets at all times

That's all there is to it

[onyx wind]

Wow, you can sim 2 target 50 minutes and it beats venthyr by 30000k dps?

[limber lion]

Lmao Ex, filter wins this time

[onyx wind]

What?

[frail fossil]

but also SBS is just harder to manage

which can scare ppl off

and the aesthetic is less cool than venthyr

which is a thing for some ppl

[eternal lance]

bruther i must go najida for mythyc plus or theotar ?

[desert rain]

And the necro sign cov ability is just plain better

[limber lion]

Either is fine, Nadja with 2 potency conduits or Theotar with Wasteland

[onyx wind]

yea i guess SBS is harder to manage in such scenarios, but isnt that just the equivalent of playing MFD

which most people are used to

[deft rampart]

Do we always delay flagellation for vendetta?

[frail fossil]

i wish man

[limber lion]

No, you wanna cast it on cooldown

[frail fossil]

and it's a bit harder to manage than mfd since it's cp value varies

[eternal lance]

ty

[eternal lance]

theotar ? hmm ok ty

[desert rain]

MfD is hard man 😂

[frail fossil]

but technically, sbs works like a secondary mfd

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/920a6f5963117895284e1853dcf5e324
Necro wins in 1.5minute HAC sim

Let me sim a 1.5m 2 target for you as well

[onyx wind]

u have to keep in mind that people were complaining that kyrian was hard to play

[limber lion]

Because you're incapable of doing it yourself

[onyx wind]

i literally dont care

but thanks

[limber lion]

Doesn't sound like it

Because you keep attacking people and spreading false information every single day

[onyx wind]

Why are u so bitter man

leave me alone

[limber lion]

Literally every single day

[eternal lance]

its mean i change to necrolord ?

[frail fossil]

i mean if ppl wanna stay bad they can do whatever they want tbf, i just wanna bring up to maybe some ppl that dont like venthyr that it's not the only choice for assa

[onyx wind]

@frail fossil do you feel attacked?

[frail fossil]

and necro is a strong contender

[strange python]

[onyx wind]

what false information am i spreading

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/84d965e800e35c46c67c0ecaecf7f5c4

Here's a 2t sim for you as well

See how Necro beats Venthyr in both

Doesn't have to be a 1000 minute sim

[frail fossil]

also i'm biased cuz i think necro is a ton of fun

[desert rain]

Try 2 mon since flag is 1.5 cd

[onyx wind]

what...

[plain thistle]

its "well known" that for assa anything other than kyrian is good/ok

[limber lion]

Necro wins in every duration whenever there are adds or consistent targets.

[eternal lance]

😄 oh bru i want change it

[plain thistle]

people who thinks only venthyr is good is just wrong

[onyx wind]

Noone is saying that only venthyr is good

We are just talking about why people prefer venthyr over nrcro

[frail fossil]

ok so single target > venthyr is better
anything involving cleave/wave of adds > necro is better

Just wanna think what is more important for u/ur raid grp

[desert rain]

It's really just that NL is a shit cov to root for lmao

[limber lion]

No, we're talking about why Necro is better for many scenarios and you keep disagreeing and saying that Venthyr is better when it's not

You literally said that Venthyr is better for SLG

Which is not true

[frail fossil]

why

[plain thistle]

I know for a fact that people think the better one mean its the only option, just watch some streams or foruns or in game chat

[frail fossil]

it's good

[onyx wind]

cleave for sure necro is better, but still unsure abt wave of adds

[limber lion]

Necro wins

[onyx wind]

which is what we were discussing

[desert rain]

Too much green

[limber lion]

We already sim'd it

I don't understand why you feelcraft everything

Instead of just simming it

And seeing for yourself

[frail fossil]

it has a good signature ability, specially in pvp, it's ability is fun and has a skill ceiling the aesthetic is not as bad as ppl think

the only real necro problem is

the sanctum training dummies suck

[onyx wind]

Dude what is your problem

[eternal lance]

when i must use my fan of knife ?

[solar hare]

Large true

[limber lion]

You keep making arguments that something is better or worse, but you never sim anything and just assume stuff.

[desert rain]

I don't want to pet an abomination man

[solar hare]

The biggest true actually

[frail fossil]

bro why did they put 3 times 2 target dummies

it's so annoying

[limber lion]

There's people with years of experience on theorycrafting/simming

I'm sure they know a thing or two.

[onyx wind]

Because there is a lot more to this game than sims

[limber lion]

On 4+ targets.

[solar hare]

Actually braindead

[eternal lance]

use on all of them ?

[onyx wind]

im not claiming somethnig is better or worse, im trying to understand why

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

[frail fossil]

and if u play a specc with passive cleave ur dps is biased it's so annoying

[solar hare]

Any bladerushers

[limber lion]

You literally said this

Not "I wonder if it's better"

You flat out said

"No, it's not better"

Which is not true

[desert rain]

Well it's getting annoying guys just sayin

[frail fossil]

the chad necrolords
the venthyr fans

[onyx wind]

what qualifies as being better on wave of adds

killing adds quickly?

[shadow pivot]

biggest argument for necrolord is fleshcraft vs door of shadows tho

[onyx wind]

doing a lot of dmg in a 2 minute sim?

[limber lion]

On both situations necro wins

[solar hare]

Necro gets better with waves of adds because of lbe

[frail fossil]

if u have secondary adds that dies before the boss, which u can get resets from, necro is better

[onyx wind]

what is lbe

[frail fossil]

lead by exemple

[solar hare]

^

[onyx wind]

ah makes sense

doesnt it have an internal cooldown

[frail fossil]

nop

[solar hare]

Nope

[onyx wind]

makes sense

[solar hare]

I had 35% lbe uptime on slg last night

Felt good

[frail fossil]

honestly sbs is just insane on slg

make the fight bearable

[solar hare]

True

[onyx wind]

Wish more assa rogues actually played necro

[frail fossil]

having a cov abilities that matter, i missed that

[onyx wind]

so we could compare on stuff like SLG

[limber lion]

Assa rogues are not brought to SLG

[solar hare]

Im probably playing zold sin > outlaw for sire so that’ll be hype ig

[limber lion]

So, not a really great comparison

[onyx wind]

Thanks for your input

[frail fossil]

idk man like i progged every boss as outlaw almost

kinda dont wanna break the tradition at this point

[onyx wind]

Youre only gonna get exposed if ur RL looks at p3 dmg

and then, they might now know abt assa execute

[solar hare]

True

[onyx wind]

you can prob make the run for it

[frail fossil]

listen man i think

i'm the last person

the rl has to complain abt

unironically

[onyx wind]

XD

[frail fossil]

we giving pi to a demo lock and it's me playing outlaw the problem

[solar hare]

Hey

Same

[onyx wind]

that mf better get rank1 then

[solar hare]

[onyx wind]

nvm he has a competitor

[frail fossil]

he had 1 rank 1 i think

on inerva

[solar hare]

Imagine ur demo not being rank 1 sludge

Smh

[weak copper]

yo, is the glove slot so much better than the shoulder slot for the legendary?

[onyx wind]

rank1 with 5800 dps

[solar hare]

Yes

[frail fossil]

idk how they manage but every demo lock have convinced their guild to pi them

[weak copper]

damn

[limber lion]

They're the same, but if you have a chance of getting mythic SLG shoulders, then the gloves are better

[frail fossil]

nah i think the r1 inerva is 8.2k or smth

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter if you don't have a chance at those.

[onyx wind]

really, for demo?

[frail fossil]

yeah

[solar hare]

8.3k actually

For sludge

[frail fossil]

demo is low key good for sludge

it's just troll to play it cuz affli exist

[onyx wind]

thats almost as good as rogue

[weak copper]

@limber lion Yeah, that's also what I could deduct. Just had to be sure

[onyx wind]

we have an arcane mage

that mf pumped so hard on sludge

[frail fossil]

thing is there is 0 situations where u want objectively a demo over an affli, so like demo is ok for sludge but affli is insane

[deft rampart]

So i think i found a bug, if you recast flag while stacking it ends the stacking timer and sets itself to 12 seconds

[onyx wind]

wait really

[neat jacinth]

Hey, i wanne try out assa aswell which is why i am gonna switch to venth. How long does it take to catch up renown to a good lvl? And whats the best way to do so? Ty in advance:)

[deft rampart]

I can't recreate it but it just happened to me

[onyx wind]

thats funny as fuck

[limber lion]

You cannot recast flag.

[limber lion]

1-3 days generally.

To get to 30+ that is

[frail fossil]

spamming hc dungeons/doing lfr/nm/hc raid/doing the campaign

[onyx wind]

pretty much depends on what u enjoy doing man

although ive heard pvp renown stuff is broken

and u dont get much from it

[frail fossil]

also pvp i think but i never did pvp to catch up

[limber lion]

I got 30 renown in 1 day by doing normal/lfr raids and then doing the covenant campaign

[neat jacinth]

Allright. TY! Whats more efficient? Normals or heroics? 🙂

[onyx wind]

yea i heard you get a lot from 2s, but did like 30 games and got 0 renown

[limber lion]

They're both the same

You can do them both

Start with heroic, then do normal and queue for LFR while you're doing your covenant campaign

[frail fossil]

the one u clear the faster

[neat jacinth]

Well i hate pvp. So wont try that 😄

[frigid sleet]

also note that the more you are behind on renown the higher the chance to get renown while doing things, so keep the things the award renown 100% like boxes, world boss, and campaign for last

[onyx wind]

higher difficulty stuff has a higher chance of dropping renown

and the chance of getting renown from catchup methods is lower the higher renown u are

[limber lion]

Source?

[onyx wind]

so you want to covenant campaign and weekly last

[frail fossil]

idk m+ dropped nothing after several 15s and hc dung dropped

[onyx wind]

weird

[limber lion]

Yeh exactly

Exeo just talking out of his ass again

[onyx wind]

i got renown from every +15 i did

[frail fossil]

renown catch up is weird

[neat jacinth]

Sooooo just after switching and doing the first couple quests its best to grind renown before doing campaign? 🙂

[frail fossil]

yes

[limber lion]

Renown catchup is really weird, a lot of people have trouble with it

[onyx wind]

Can u just block me or smth ceverion

[limber lion]

And they get stuck on some level or something

[frail fossil]

ngl renown catch up is just one of the most annoying things

[limber lion]

It's fine if you don't get stuck

[shadow pivot]

I learned 2 days ago so that might help

You have a thing here on your renown page

that tells you if you can still win renown today or not

[onyx wind]

wait what

[frail fossil]

no fucking way

[onyx wind]

so theres a daily cap?

[strange python]

I got hard stuck at 24 after doing everything u guys listed besides pvp on first day

[onyx wind]

that seems weird

[limber lion]

There is some sort of cap, but not daily necessarily

I did get 30 renown in one day, but some people report getting 4 renown and then being stuck

[shadow pivot]

obviously can't show on my rogue and im raiding rn but you can log in another character that isn't renown 40 and check for yourself

[limber lion]

It's really, really weird

And makes no sense

[frail fossil]

idk like when i hit 24 it started getting sparce

like to renown 24 everything dropped

after i had much less

[shadow pivot]

No idea how it reset if its daily or anything

[limber lion]

Maybe it has something to do with your previous covenant

No clue

[frail fossil]

gna check on my rogue

[frigid sleet]

I'm pretty sure you can spam normals until 24 and then do campaigns, world boss, and daily box and you'll get to 30+

[frail fossil]

since i'm not 40

[limber lion]

Or if you can like "stock up on renown"

[onyx wind]

i swapped twice and i didnt get stuck

so probably not that

[limber lion]

Yeh me neither

[frail fossil]

to keep it 💯 renown catch up is fucking annoying

[limber lion]

Would love an explanation from Blizzard

[frail fossil]

after i finish prog i'll get venthyr to 31+ too

[onyx wind]

i actually didnt mind renown catchup

if this was BFA u would have a weekly cap of 5 renown to catch up

[frail fossil]

so i'll only miss NF but i dont like that cov

[limber lion]

I miss soulshape every day

[frail fossil]

u would only get renown from cringe assault on old zones

[limber lion]

That's the best thing of NF

[frail fossil]

i mean phial from kyrian

[onyx wind]

[shadow pivot]

Soulshape really is a big loss

[frail fossil]

and bron

bron was the goat

[strange python]

Might be an unpopular opinion...but I low-key hope that some point we'll be able to change covenants on the fly for different situations

[onyx wind]

i miss bron ninjapulling

in keys

:(

[shadow pivot]

Especially when traded for Door of Shadows which sucks ass

[frail fossil]

i think this is the least unpopular opinion

[limber lion]

I think that's the popular opinion tbh

[lapis matrix]

Guys, is there relevant comparision of trinkets to run as Assa?

[limber lion]

It's just unpopular opinion for Blizzard apparently

[onyx wind]

for what content?

[frail fossil]

sim yourself, and hero damage

[limber lion]

You can use herodamage.com or bloodmallet.com

[frail fossil]

i tend to prefer herodamage.com tbf, but i just sim everything myself

[limber lion]

I don't use either nowadays anymore

[lapis matrix]

yeah, i do sim aswell, but wanted to have like "go to" 😄

[limber lion]

I used to use HD for a long time though

[frail fossil]

so u want phial

[limber lion]

Yeah, Herodamage is pretty good for that

[frail fossil]

from plaguefall

that's the main thing

[lapis matrix]

Putre? Just got it

[limber lion]

Big

[onyx wind]

gz, u will never replace it

[frail fossil]

yeah that's insane

[lapis matrix]

I see, thanks!

[frail fossil]

basically the best trinket combo is phial/233 sire trinket

[limber lion]

[onyx wind]

u can maybe replace it if u get 226 chain and 223 sire

if it is 220

[frail fossil]

it's nice getting ur hand on quantum device too

good for log runs

[onyx wind]

log runs :)

[limber lion]

Yeah, I would love to get that :''(

I'm so sad

[lapis matrix]

Ah, dont have sire one

[frail fossil]

man is there anything else to do while waiting for 9.1

[onyx wind]

yea be like me and progress SLG

[frail fossil]

i'm progging slg

but i just raid log

[lapis matrix]

Then i guess i will sim for now, what to use as 2nd. Council, Inerva, or Flywing toxin

thanks for help!

[frail fossil]

i would say inerva

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[spice spire]

Probably inerva

[frail fossil]

i'm using inerva/phial 226

[limber lion]

I run Phial + Inerva myself

[onyx wind]

i use phial+chain

😎

[neat jacinth]

Whats the 2nd best trinket out of Dungeons? I never do raids:D

[burnt star]

wish i won the 226 chain that dropped

x-x

[onyx wind]

dont have to win it if u loot it 😎

[burnt star]

wont get to have a chance at it until 2 more month

[lapis matrix]

ah, chain, would love that one aswell 😄

[onyx wind]

its blizzards way of paying me back for trading socketed inerva ring away

[limber lion]

IQD probably.

[burnt star]

slg is going awfuly fast though 😉

3 night already on 2nd intermiss

[frail fossil]

big

ceverion cannot relate with going fast on slg

[limber lion]

[tribal mauve]

Which one is better on sludge, inerva or shriek trinket ?

[burnt star]

both

1 per pillar 😉

[frail fossil]

inerva on pull

shriek on first pillar

[burnt star]

inerva will be better if other people use it

[frail fossil]

inerva on second

[onyx wind]

u can play both yea

[limber lion]

Inerva 15s before pull for the giga-gamers

[tribal mauve]

I have phial, inerva, shriek trinkets

[onyx wind]

isnt the point of playing double on use to use it on every pillar?

[frail fossil]

inerva is straight up better than skulker tho, but u can run both for slg

[onyx wind]

sure but skulker = big number

[tribal mauve]

And we start sludge tonight idk which one i will use

[frail fossil]

yeah and u can use memory and pull and it'll be back for second pillar

[limber lion]

I would just use memory

[onyx wind]

yea exactly

memory on pull, shriek 1st pillar

then memory 2nd

etc

[frail fossil]

i used memory/phial cuz cba playing shriek on sludge

[onyx wind]

its not that bad with changes

but agree

[frail fossil]

when it jumped me into sludge texture and i got meleed

[onyx wind]

so glad i never have to play with that trinket again

[burnt star]

thats why u use on pillar 😉

[frail fossil]

that was forever ago on like hc sludge lol

[celest ruin]

skulkers vs memory on sludge? i thought memory has an icd thing so not all 5 stacks will proc on pillar?

[frail fossil]

pop it when he charges

not when he hit the pillar

[limber lion]

You should be able to proc all of the charges during the 12s window

[celest ruin]

oh damn i havent thought of that

ty

[limber lion]

And Skulker's is a bit yolo and can pull you out of chain-range

And kill your partner

[frail fossil]

yeah or move uaway from soaks

so i would not advise for it if u prog

dps check shouldn't be hard to meet anyway

if u just dont die

[celest ruin]

i just noticed, if i do standard opener my memory wont be up on 2nd pillar before he charges

[limber lion]

@celest ruin Pop memory 15s before pulling

The buff lasts for 30s so you can easily use it before actually pulling

[deft rampart]

do you guys keep bleeds up on the other bosses when doing council?

[limber lion]

Yes, garrote and rupture on one extra target.

But no more than that

[deft rampart]

thank you

[limber lion]

Do keep note of your deadly poison on the off-target because it won't refund energy if your poisons drop

[frail fossil]

u use it on second pillar

memory rota is on pull

second

and forth

like any 2min cd basically

[limber lion]

Just use it pre-pull and you won't have to think about it

One less button to press

[frail fossil]

i'm an outlaw gamer so i cant do that

[limber lion]

Why not

[frail fossil]

because u want to use on use trinket once BTE is on the target

and ghostly strike

[limber lion]

Why?

[frail fossil]

so they have 20% more chance to crit and 10% more dmg

[limber lion]

Your abilities don't affect trinkets

[frail fossil]

they do

[limber lion]

Are you sure?

Because none of Assa abilities affect any trinkets whatsoever

Shiv doesn't increase Phial's damage, neither does Vendetta

[frail fossil]

GS increase ALL ur dmg by 10% including trinkets

and bte affect all crit chance

[limber lion]

Sick

Outlaw op

[gusty mirage]

GS does affect everything, the tool tip is kinda misleading

[frail fossil]

GS is just insane

[strange python]

I've gotten like a 25-30k sire trink crit before that way

[gusty mirage]

imagine having a dreadfire

[strange python]

220ilvl sadge

[gusty mirage]

imagine having one at all

[limber lion]

Why does Outlaw's abilities affect trinkets but Assa's won't? :''(

Unfair

I wanna buff my Phial with my Shiv as well

[pure moth]

Would be nice

[onyx wind]

playing around phial with shiv and snapshotting

would be so fun

[limber lion]

Snapshotting with exsang would be so fun ah

[brave vector]

zoldycks slot doesnt matter yeah? since no 233 legs or boots from raid?

[fading bridge]

Hey all, just leveled to 60 and went necro and I'm a little confused about single target use of bone spike, is it use it and leave it? Pop all 3 charges and then use them on CD

[limber lion]

Legs are better because you get more stats from legs.

[brave vector]

i was going to go legs anyway cause i have 226 haste/crit boots 😛

[limber lion]

On ST you want to put it up on a target, don't need to spam it. You can just use it before you're about to cap charges.

[fading bridge]

Okay TY!

[icy crater]

hows ur prog buddy?

[frail fossil]

my advice for sbs as sin is to keep some for shiv window

it's a lot of cp for no energy almost

[strange python]

I cannot believe how much Assa not having Acrobatic Strikes feels. Like, im so used to being a bit away from the mobs when i attack them as outlaw, but as assa u literally need to be on their asses to attack

[frail fossil]

so u're 100% sure you're gonna be able to fit 2 envenoms if u play DS

[drowsy parcel]

there are no good legs in the game

[frail fossil]

just dont cap them

[limber lion]

Yep, that's the life of Assa.

[gusty mirage]

Not bad, consistently getting to intermission in Niklaus but we're missing a check that'd make it easier (pushing him before 2nd garg spawns)

[drowsy parcel]

every single leg except one has mastery on it i think

[limber lion]

It's pretty good general advice, but if you pool correctly, you shouldn't need to do that either.

[frail fossil]

like i found having bone spikes ready for burst windows rly nice

[frail fossil]

ngl i probably dont pool correctly so i found sbs helpful

[icy crater]

I thought we were going to kill it last night but our best shadowpriest had to sit because some shit came up and we had a garbage boomkin that did less boss dps thank tanks.

[limber lion]

That's not a good emote

[frail fossil]

when i found myself in a scuffed shiv window

[frail fossil]

bro i played sin 2 hours this tier leave me alone

[gusty mirage]

how?

[limber lion]

But yeh, SBS is probably great for that

[frail fossil]

also low key sbs on sludge

is rly nice too

[icy crater]

@limber lion with more practice on the fight and focusing on improving, I've reduced the amount of my mistakes. re: rupture convo yesterday

[robust warren]

hey guys, is this rly woth?

[frail fossil]

sim it

[limber lion]

Nice! Do you keep gar/rup on both now?

[frail fossil]

siggy not playing outlaw

[icy crater]

Just gar

[limber lion]

I tried doing it on a boost hc run yesterday and there's so many things to keep track of all of a sudden :p

[icy crater]

we got slg coming fleur

[limber lion]

Not sure what I wanna do yet

[gusty mirage]

A lot of us have converted to the way of stabby bleeding

[limber lion]

Until you get to SLG that is :^)

[gusty mirage]

true

[icy crater]

I hate our opener because our boomkin couldn't figure out how to solo tendant

And I'm playing DS so its slow and its immune right as I want to pop cds

[gusty mirage]

you just stand back and incarn convoke

wat

[icy crater]

yeah too hard

[gusty mirage]

[icy crater]

so we asked him again last night why he can't do it

and he goes

SIR, I CANNOT DO IT. IT CANNOT HAPPEN.

okkaaaaay bro

[limber lion]

Welp

[gusty mirage]

oh he busted out the sir

interesting

only attendant issues we're having is when we get to niklaus because its hectic af. Kinda sucks it takes forever to get back there to get more practice in

[icy crater]

if we had more DKs we'd have less enraged waiters

right now nik from 100-50 is hard, also because our dps sucks but

need our pumper back

[gusty mirage]

nik 100-50 seems to be our struggle too

we fall behind and have to burn the guards

[icy crater]

I never tried council pre nerf but the gargoyles are actually meaningless

[gusty mirage]

if they get a few stacks they literally fuck the tank

[icy crater]

ours have never had a problem but

I think they have a bop rota set up

[gusty mirage]

you have more than one pally?

[stiff tapir]

My guild kills nik first because we have no boomies or fire mages.

So adds are kind of not an option

But you go DS over doom that fight?

I gotta look at logs and see what others are using too

[icy crater]

deeper strat

[spice spire]

Yeah we gotta differentiate deeper strat and dashing scoundrel lol

[gusty mirage]

I blame blizzard

[stiff tapir]

Ooooo

[thorny rose]

not as confusing as master assassin (talent) and master assassin (legendary)

[spice spire]

Small indie company Blissard 🙂

[limber lion]

You mean Deathly Shadows?

[gusty mirage]

true

[spice spire]

Just run both

[gusty mirage]

[thorny rose]

Lol

[gusty mirage]

150% crit

ez

[solar hare]

You mean dark shadow?

Sub

[spice spire]

That’s how you get 6 combo points per Mut EZZZZZ

[gusty mirage]

^

[thorny rose]

[strange python]

100% crit isn't enuf

[limber lion]

One dude actually thought he was giga-brain and thought that Master Assa lege and talent would increase his damage by 150%

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[spice spire]

That’s galaxy brain

[icy crater]

I mean good on him for trying lmaooo

[gusty mirage]

If I have over 100% crit that means I crit harder right?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I like cute noobs

[icy crater]

its like negative resists right

[spice spire]

It would in a 3 second fight

[limber lion]

[thorny rose]

it’s kinda weird that we have a legendary that makes one of our talents completely obscelete like that

[shadow pivot]

Imagine >100% crit turned into critdmg

[limber lion]

No, it's the other way around

[shadow pivot]

Ele sham on steroids

[limber lion]

We had Master Assa legendary in Legion

[icy crater]

When I first started wow I didn't know you could respec and you had to reroll your character if you wanted different talents

[strange python]

That legendary came first in legion

[thorny rose]

oh I see

[limber lion]

And the MA talent was added in BFA because we didn't have legendaries

[gusty mirage]

that was the compromise in bfa

[limber lion]

But yeh

Still dumb

lol

[gusty mirage]

Any venom rush enthusiasts here?

[limber lion]

I was one in Legion, not anymore

[stiff tapir]

What if you

Use MA

[gusty mirage]

maybe in 9.1 they can address the weird ass talents we still have with the pvp talents

[stiff tapir]

And the talent that increases dam by 20% in stealth

[icy crater]

why was venom rush good in legion I can't remember

[stiff tapir]

And then vanish into a massive envenomw

[icy crater]

They said they're doing a pvp talent overhaul

[strange python]

I miss kingsbane

[gusty mirage]

yeah throw venom rush in there and figure how to make exsanguinate better so there's actually an option in that tier

[shadow pivot]

Death From Above was the true gamer experience

[gusty mirage]

lol

DFA was so much fun

[limber lion]

It was on the last talent row with DFA and MFD

[strange python]

fok wheelers ;p

[limber lion]

DFA was big dick for Sub

[icy crater]

I used to hate exang but it would be fun to get a fucking turbo rupture up and press it

[limber lion]

I loved it

[icy crater]

ah right

[safe canopy]

while it sims 30 dps less. what do you guys think about danny trink + skulkers for sludge. Get value for each on use for every pillar?

[icy crater]

dfa sub was my fav the spec has ever been

[spice spire]

The true gamer experience was blindsiding dispatch in MoP

[limber lion]

Yeah, it is a good choice

[gusty mirage]

I hate skulkers with my entire being

[spice spire]

When dispatch was an execute

[gusty mirage]

I want to dedicate my life to hating skulkers tbh

[icy crater]

I have like 4 dreadfires in my bag and no skulkers

should vendor some of them

[gusty mirage]

weird flex

I suddenly hate you

[icy crater]

just get phial

[gusty mirage]

a boomie kept the last one that dropped for us

I have a phial

[icy crater]

just get memory

[gusty mirage]

can't, we're extending till next tier sad rogue noises

[icy crater]

I actually got memory first inerva kill, kinda insane

[spice spire]

DFV sims better for me than memory surprisingly

[gusty mirage]

A boomie got our last dreadfire

[icy crater]

deepfuckingvalue is pretty op

[gusty mirage]

and kept it

[limber lion]

220 vs 226?

Or 220 vs 213?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

The second one

[limber lion]

Ah, that's no surprise then

[spice spire]

But memory hits way above its class

[limber lion]

DFV is the best trinket in the game

[icy crater]

because its 233 xd

[spice spire]

And with the MA change, DFV seems more meh.

[gusty mirage]

I gotta go pug heroic sire because we don't clear heroic unless we have a sale

[icy crater]

imagine needing 220 gear in march 2021

smh

[gusty mirage]

I will cut you

with your 4 dreadfires

😠

[spice spire]

I just got a 220 dagger for the first time in the vault

My fucking alt DK had a 216 weapon before my rogue had one

[icy crater]

lul

[shadow pivot]

The one and only true flex nowadays is 226 phial

[limber lion]

Imagine not just getting a 226 weapon from vault

[gusty mirage]

I guess I'll just stick to my 220 phial / 220 flayed wing

and be SAD

[stiff tapir]

Does phial and flayed wing buff envenom through doom blade?

[spice spire]

No, right?

[limber lion]

No, our abilities don't affect trinkets in any way

[gusty mirage]

plus its bleeds that buff envenom w/ doom silly

[spice spire]

Doom blade only empowers via bleeds as is. But trinkets don’t count as poisons for our stuffs

[gusty mirage]

"nature damage"

[stiff tapir]

So then what bleeds buff envenom through doomblade

[dawn ivy]

how much dps does each rank of WPS give us?

[gusty mirage]

but not poison

[limber lion]

Not too much, less than 10 dps

[gusty mirage]

it's called a toxin, but dw its nature damage

[stiff tapir]

Sbs and doomblade dot?

[dawn ivy]

ah damn so dauntless duelist probably will still be the play next tier

[gusty mirage]

just get a 226 maim, mangle like me boys

ez

[stiff tapir]

And garrote/rupture?

[limber lion]

Garrote, rupture, crimson tempest, sbs, doomblade

[icy crater]

I swear assa tooltips are the most misleading bits of text in wow

[limber lion]

And Internal Bleeding, but that's a bit bait

[gusty mirage]

idk the new great vault one's pretty good

if you do a 14, you can do a 15 to upgrade your item to 130 ilvl

[pulsar sluice]

has anyone been using solely doomblade for keys

[gusty mirage]

[icy crater]

me because i dont have zold

but then I went outlaw because fuck sin in keys

and did like 1.5k more dps

[gusty mirage]

I just pop some tylenol and play outlaw in keys

these boomer wrists can't handle it

[pulsar sluice]

sin is really not that bad in keys tho

you guys pushing 20+ or something

[icy crater]

its prob fine but i suck at it

[limber lion]

I do better with Assa than Outlaw myself but I'm a pretty lazy Outlaw player

[gusty mirage]

Trying, hard stuck at 19s atm 😦

but we usually pug 2 spots which doesn't help

[compact pumice]

Tbh I feel like the higher the key the better sin is. Low keys the mobs just die due to a fire mage anyway

[pulsar sluice]

yeah

its really not that hard

[limber lion]

Not actually true necessarily

If you have your firemage burst the enemies from 100%, the faster they go down to execute range and the more damage you do with Zoldyck. And generally the faster mobs die = the more overall damage you do

But yeah, 18-21 is a good sweet spot for Assa tbh

[pulsar sluice]

I think a common mistake ppl do with sin in keys is they build full ruptures for the mobs, and crimson uptime is low maybe thats why you aren't happy with the performance

[compact pumice]

I just feel like triple garrote + FOK + CT is just too low dps, only after like 3-4 ruptures you even compete with any other class

and that's a lot of globals

Meanwhile Outlaw can do MA+KS to do great burst aoe almost every packs

[limber lion]

Yeah a pack that lives for 30ish seconds is perfect for Assa.

It's true that if the pack lives for 10s, it's really bad for us

[compact pumice]

I wanna try the Deathly Shadows leggo tho for keys

But then I also wanna make a zoldyck :S

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Yeh could be pretty dank

[fathom lynx]

I feel ya bro, I feel ya

[radiant fossil]

i made zoldyck this week and i regret it tbh. I'd rather stick with doomblade in m+. Atleast that's what suit me.

[compact pumice]

Actually I’m trying MA in keys right now. It sims well tbh, and this week there’s no spiteful to keep you from stealthing between packs. Doomblade just feels too ST :S It’s great for that though

But despite the sims people here still swear by Zoldyck, want to try it

Maybe I’ll make a r1 before going for a r4 one

[radiant fossil]

Yeah but i feel like st is our purpose. I mean why would i do aoe dmg when i have a mage and a hunter in my group. I'd rather do one job and destroy st. But thats just me ^^

[compact pumice]

No! Gotta beat that pesky hunter on the overall I say!

[radiant fossil]

[eternal lance]

guys how i can boost my solo target damage in mythyc ? i mean some creep like pride i must charge my poisns or do evnom more

[thorny rose]

Let me know how it feels plz. I’m trying to decide what to craft and idk if MA will be too complicated to use at first

as I’m still learning sin

[bright moth]

@compact pumice MA has felt amazing in keys for me. Doesn’t have much impact on the opener because triple garrote is so strong but once you have your dots rolling and pop a vanish and all your dots are criting + easy CP generation pumps damage

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/2ab90943a370a4b91efcb7c8b3eabbe1
Over 10k+ on HC Huntsman 🤩

[compact pumice]

Tbf you don’t really change rotation, just that everything crits after you vanish! Which is strong with multiple dots up and running

[thorny rose]

I see. That does sound fun. I think I’ll take the plunge especially since I’m nelf and I also like to pvp

shadowmeld 🤓

[compact pumice]

Tbh I use MA as Outlaw if I’m running KS, also in PVP as Sub or Sin. It’s just a good legendary tbh

[thorny rose]

But I’m also the most indecisive person on the planet, so if you see me back here tonight talking about different legendaries you aren’t allowed to mad

[bright moth]

Definitely loses value in long ST fights

[eternal lance]

guys what is rotation with out any cd on single target ?

[compact pumice]

Can you shadowmeld+stealth mid pack to proc MA?

[thorny rose]

I don’t think I’m raiding anymore this tier so I should be able to craft a different ST leggo by 9.1

[compact pumice]

Like a vanish?

[thorny rose]

I believe so @compact pumice

[bright moth]

Lol time to change race

[lean rover]

Beast !

[thorny rose]

Haven’t tested it myself obviously but I’ve seen youtubers do it in arena so idk why pve would be any different

[compact pumice]

God damn, why am I cursed with a beautiful Orc

[eternal lance]

are u here bru ?

[limber lion]

Sup?

[shy dust]

only on trash packs

doesnt work on bosses

works in pvp too

even more consistently now because of cloaked in shadows conduit

[compact pumice]

Not that bad. Fair if it doesn’t work on bosses but damn an extra vanish is kinda awesome for trash.

[quick creek]

Do you need to do shadowmeld and stealth manually or can you macro stealth to it?

[wise fiber]

Wait ... really dumb question. When you vanish. Per existing dots crit too?

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[wise fiber]

Jesus... I have been playing this shit all wrong

[bright moth]

Yeah pretty much want to get as many dots rolling as possible before vanishing to get the most value

I usually aim for 5 garrote/rupture + poisons from FoK and CT before vanishing

[wise fiber]

Then vanish and normal rotation right away?

[surreal halo]

Absolute beast! GJ! Did you do anything crazy for that?

[bright moth]

@wise fiber depends on mob pack size and how fast they are dying. Large pack/dying slow - triple garrote. Small pack/dying fast - burst rotation

That’s just my general rule of thumb. But every situation is different

[strange python]

8 PIs tossed his way LOL

[surreal halo]

Hahaha PI buffs don't show up on mobile rankings RIP hahaha

[drowsy parcel]

i beat a chinese guy with 12 PIs yesterday

on council

rip that guy

[strange python]

Lol I didn't know that...I was just fuckin around anyway. Lol

[eternal lance]

hey ❤️ bru i have fine on aoe on 2 or 3 targer i have 5k dps but in solo target i have 3k dps or 2.8 u think my roation is wrong ?

[surreal halo]

Fuck those PI guys man, ruining ranks for everyone!

[shy dust]

what do you sim for

[eternal lance]

zoldyck legendary with out any cd

target and aoe

[shy dust]

in st

what do you sim for

if you sim for 5k dps

and are pulling 2.8k dps

yes youre doing many things wrong

[eternal lance]

hmm idk maybe my first talent is wrong xd i change my talent to master poisener

from ep

u think so ?

[shy dust]

your first talent

is not going to drastically swing your dps that high

[eternal lance]

y

[shy dust]

youre most likely just making tons of rotational mistakes

unless you sim for 3k

[stoic needle]

It should be blindside

[eternal lance]

can u tell me how i can roation on solo target ?

[shy dust]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[eternal lance]

ty

[mossy crown]

for m+ what do people prefer subterfuge or MA?

[balmy condor]

Definitely subterfuge

[nimble spoke]

Sub, all the way

those garrotes do huge damage and the energy gen is nice

[balmy condor]

NS is fine too, and in theory MA is usable

It’s just not a standard build

And probably a little weird to use

[leaden garden]

Hey guys, im currently setting up my WAs for my asa rogue alt, whats important to track other than dots and CDs?

[nimble spoke]

if you want an easy setup, you can use Luxthos'

[balmy condor]

You just described the entire spec

[mossy crown]

was playing with DS, but much prefer vigor. I like the garrotes I can do in the window.

[nimble spoke]

I prefer vigor most of the time, too

[balmy condor]

Yeah don’t play DS

[stoic needle]

Yeah DS is kinda poop in m+

[mossy crown]

yeah I kinda found out the hard way

[nimble spoke]

after quick decisions, do yall prefer Rushed Setup or Prepared for All for finesse conduits?

[patent topaz]

I wonder why for sludge there is almost a 50/50 split between ep+vigor and blindside+ds for venthyr rogues

[stoic needle]

I prefer rushed setup because sin has to use kidney kinda frequently for cc

[nimble spoke]

fair point, it's what I was leaning towards, too, since Prepared is dependent on you actually getting the kick, yourself

[stoic needle]

Lol yeah

In pugs that can be kinda hard if everyone kicks at the same time

[nimble spoke]

I'm loving Sin so much in M+ with Zold. I'm wrecking the others in dps lol

[stoic needle]

But honestly if you don't stand in shit you don't particularly need the cdr on evasion/cloak

[nimble spoke]

don't even have second potency yet

[lean hill]

prepared can be good on spiteful weeks, if you cant avoid the mob you can evasion and the dodges will reduce cd for next time

[stoic needle]

Very true

It was super useful last week

[solid mica]

What do ppl use talent/leggo wise for Council prog?

[nimble spoke]

I'm lazy and like having general soulbinds/conduits so I don't have to change around too much XD

[balmy condor]

Chinese logs are weird man idk

[nimble spoke]

Zold for mythic prog, right? 3 execute phases?

[patent topaz]

not that many chinese

[shy dust]

doesnt work like that brother

[balmy condor]

It’s not the amount of phases, you’re still in execute for the same amount of time

[shy dust]

doesnt make the total percent of time in execute magically rise

[nimble spoke]

It was more a question, guys and girls :)

but thank you :)

[shy dust]

people really do not understand

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s a common thing

[nimble spoke]

@solid mica it'd be DB, then

[shy dust]

that being in execute for longer doesnt always mean youre getting more value

its an argument i commonly see for zoldyck being better the high keys you go

when youre going to generally have the same % of time in execute

[balmy condor]

Yeah I think the argument should be flipped that you have less % time in MA, which makes it worse

Rather than more time in zold

[solid mica]

!MA

Whats ma? Master assassin?

[nimble spoke]

ye

[solid mica]

Talent or leggo?

[nimble spoke]

both, but typically talent when you're talking about raid

[balmy condor]

We’re talking legendary

For m+

[nimble spoke]

yaga was asking about mythic progression

[balmy condor]

Yeh I know

[mossy crown]

for m+ would you gem crit over haste. Current stats are crit: 26% haste: 22% mastery: 20% vers: 10

[balmy condor]

That sort of small difference won’t matter at all

But also just sim yourself

[mossy crown]

I just have and what I have equipped is the best for dungeon slice

[limber lion]

Oh lookie, NA has woken up.

[balmy condor]

Then there you go

[limber lion]

[mossy crown]

what just asking in case it could be wrong

[balmy condor]

Where do you think we get our answers from

[mossy crown]

fair one

[limber lion]

[harsh jasper]

Do you run different talents on huntsman and slg than single target?

[balmy condor]

Huntsman is ep Subt ct

Slg is a weird one cause you want to go ep Subt ct but it’s a little awkward to use

And you’re just there for boss damage anyways

So you usually just go single target

[icy crater]

[royal halo]

As assassination, do you just shiv on cd?

[crimson terrace]

Yeah, but ideally you are reapplying bleeds b4 and pooling energy for envenom spam

[balmy condor]

Yup

[limber lion]

Looking at the top 100 parses, I'm the only one in HC running EP Subt MFD CT

MFD for the boys

[balmy condor]

Mfd is a weird one for sure

[eternal lance]

whatis mfd ?

[balmy condor]

Marked for death

[eternal lance]

really you play with marked for death ?

on pve ? its posible ?

[limber lion]

On Huntsman, yes

[balmy condor]

In keys for sure as well

[eternal lance]

what is huntsman ?

[balmy condor]

It’s great in keys

[limber lion]

Yea, it's dank

[balmy condor]

Second boss in bathtub

[limber lion]

I'm actually a fan of it now after having played with it quite a bit

[balmy condor]

BATHTUB

[limber lion]

????????????

[balmy condor]

Nathria

Phone go crazy

[limber lion]

🛁

[eternal lance]

you guys so good 😄 hoof

[limber lion]

no u

[balmy condor]

Someone explain

[eternal lance]

can u sim my hero 😄 idk how to sim

or teach me

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

[eternal lance]

ty again

😄 you guys ❤️

[pure moth]

Is mfd really worth it if they die pretty quick already

[limber lion]

Exactly then it is, because you get resets with MFD

[slender berry]

all the letters for bathtub are directly next to the ones you type for nathr

[pure moth]

True. I'll have to try it next time. See if i can hit 7k this time

[limber lion]

Ooh yeah this is giga brain

Google actually does the same

If you type a word but shift every letter to the left or right, it'll still search for the right thing

Except that it doesn't always work, because Google is cray

[limber lion]

I just tried this and it doesn't fucking work. I'm 100% sure I saw a video or something where they explained it and it worked perfectly then

[frozen jasper]

Do you use mfd for CT in m+ After opener or what is the first use for mfd cp? I‘ve been doing ct off it

[nimble spoke]

I don't use MFD in M+. I'm sure you could

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter, CT is fine. Usual opener is garrote garrote garrote rup mfd ct

Just use it as much as you can

And try to snipe low hp targets with it

[frozen jasper]

Yeah, that is exactly what i do, thanks

Yup, just trying to optimize the use of it because i Wasnt sure whats best to use it for

[balmy condor]

i've been playing NS MFD

and usually do MFD into CT

without NS, it's reasonable to mfd into slice on lower target counts

or hold till after your subt garrotes

and then rup mfd ct

[somber wyvern]

Guys do i need to delay flag (venthyr ability) to use same time as vendetta always ?

[limber lion]

No, it's better to use it on cooldown.

You can try to sync the last cast of Flag with Vendetta if you don't lose a cast, but generally better to just use it on cooldown.

[somber wyvern]

okay thank you !

[nimble spoke]

the haste from flag is amazing

[limber lion]

Sure is

[nimble spoke]

I miss some parts of being necro, but being venthyr feels so good as a sin main

[somber wyvern]

btw is it good to use flag while at 5cp to use finisher right after ad starting with 5 stacks already ?

[frozen jasper]

Thats for the opener then for NS buffed CT ? Gotta try that one

[limber lion]

Yes and you should pool a little bit before it as well.

[limber lion]

Yes, you MFD in stealth and open with CT.

[somber wyvern]

pool means save energy ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[somber wyvern]

okay thanks a lot

[frozen jasper]

Dumb question maybe but do we still CT in ST fights ?

[limber lion]

Yes we do, outside of Shiv windows.

You don't spam it instead of Envenom, but you just apply the bleed and keep it up.

[frozen jasper]

Aight thanks, thats what im doing. just gotta keep up with everything i always fear missing something important in here lol

[limber lion]

No worries buddy. Just keep playing more and keep practicing and you'll get better. :p

[chilly crane]

could someone please help me with sin necro rotation in m+?

[limber lion]

Sure, we can help you. You can also refer to !guide, I think they have good rotational guides in WoWHead/Ravenholdt websites.

Or you can use Raidbots' Quick Sim feature, sim for multiple targets and see what the sim does there

[mossy crown]

What legendary would you suggest is better for m+ 235 doom blade or MA?

[limber lion]

MA, but Zoldyck is the best choice.

[mossy crown]

Bloody hell ain’t got that crafted yet.

[subtle kiln]

DB is great this week

packs/pulls are relatively small & tyrannical bosses.

[limber lion]

I would recommend getting Zoldyck at 190 first and then investing into a single legendaryt

A 190 Zoldyck will do just fine in M+, then you can invest into Doomblade for raiding

[cinder moat]

Hey guys, got a question regarding m+ too.
Im venthyr and quite often overcap hard on energy when 3+ targets have my dots.
I thought about trying Deeper Strategem instead of Vigor and Poisoned Qatar . Any experience regarding this ?

[limber lion]

You shouldn't be capping too much on 3 targets, but capping is not a huge problem in M+. Rupture is still your highest damage dealing finisher (after SnD) so it's still worth to use it on all targets, even if you cap on energy.

[chrome mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

There are some people playing DS, but it does slow the openers a bit and doesn't feel as good to play with.

Most common setups are:
EP Subt Vigor CT
EP Subt MFD CT
EP NS MFD CT (with MA)
EP Subt DS CT

[stoic needle]

You also probably want to use wasteland propriety instead of PK

Have you been FoK on 3 targets

[slow marsh]

:pepeclown-1:

[cinder moat]

yeah but when 3 mobs have garote and rupture

[nimble spoke]

The versa buff and finesse conduit are better than PK?

[cinder moat]

i cant press fok fast enough to not overcap

[stoic needle]

You don't fok on 3

Stop watching infexious

You only fok on 4+

[limber lion]

Read what I said. Overcapping is fine.

[cinder moat]

yeah i did read it

[limber lion]

It's inevitable if you have 3+ targets that live long enough and you have garrotes/ruptures on all of them

[nimble spoke]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

Do the bosses take no damage from dots during the dance macabre in council? Should I bother refreshing dots beforehand?

Doing council and sludge mythic tomorrow for my trial

[limber lion]

They don't take any damage

But it's worth spamming Envenom's at the end to refresh SnD duration

So you don't have to reapply that

[stoic needle]

Smart

[hushed sphinx]

Are any gamers using doomblade for tyrannical week

[limber lion]

@stoic needle maybe

[stoic needle]

It's okay in certain dungeons

[hushed sphinx]

Maybe like top?

[stoic needle]

Theater, sanguine, plaguefall

I wouldn't recommend it much in others though

I did one key this week and said fuck it

[hushed sphinx]

Ooh true zoldyck in SD is trash for last boss

[stoic needle]

Doing the ol' 1 a week

Yeah exactly

[subtle kiln]

yes. it works more than fine this week with the affixes

[stoic needle]

Yeah since tanks won't be pulling big this week because of necrotic you can get away with doomblade easier

[subtle kiln]

unless you’re running some wonky ass off meta comp with no aoe, the bosses are more important and slamming the inspired mob

[stoic needle]

Unless they're absolute madlads who pull 5 etherwyrms and a full pack of 4 Angels + dark seeker in spires

[nimble spoke]

Oshosi, Wasteland Propriety is better than PK for m+?

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

9/10 times yes. It sims nearly the same, is good regardless of target count(where pk is only good with 5+ consistent targets) and gives a vers buff to your team

[nimble spoke]

fair, more overall damage, then

[subtle kiln]

we did larger pulls in spires with an all melee setup. db was still more than fine.

[stoic needle]

Yeah but you were playing with decent players... Its hard to recommend doomblade for pugs

Those were the rh keys yesterday right?

[subtle kiln]

but our rogues don’t stand in tentacles in PF

[stoic needle]

Spires in general is a decent dungeon for DB because there's a lot of shit that needs to die asap

[subtle kiln]

[coarse vault]

Is there a reasonable low-haste setup for Assassination for someone looking for a high-downtime version, or is Haste just supremely good relatively speaking?

[balmy condor]

haste is way too good

[stoic needle]

You can go crit/mastery DS doomblade for big thicc envenoms

But it's bad

[subtle kiln]

haste is your crack

[limber lion]

we're haste sluts here

[subtle kiln]

crit is your coke

[coarse vault]

what about M+, still rocking the Haste bod?

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[coarse vault]

ok sweet; thanks guys

[stoic needle]

Crit becomes a bit better but haste is still good

[coarse vault]

I guess our autos are pretty high portion of damage too

[frail fossil]

haste also increase bleeds' tick rate

[shy dust]

Woah

[limber lion]

Yeah, haste used to be our worst stat for a long time, but after the implementation of haste affecting bleeds in BFA, it became our best stat.

[shy dust]

Does crit also increase our chance to crit

[nimble spoke]

No, it makes you do a backflip randomly

[subtle kiln]

only at 40%

[shy dust]

[limber lion]

the more crit you have = the more damage you do.

[strange python]

HASTE ME DADDY

[limber lion]

so stack the master assa talent and legendary for maximum deeps

[frail fossil]

just said that cuz the guy said haste is ok cuz of auto attacks

[limber lion]

But in your defense, it does not state that in the tooltip.

[frail fossil]

i mean yeah some people dont know it

[limber lion]

The tooltip literally only says "increases energy regeneration and attack speed"

Yep

[frail fossil]

but i mean it's just rae being rae i guess

[limber lion]

It was added 2 years ago but isn't stated anywhere in-game.

kek

[stoic needle]

#justraethings

[shy dust]

Ban the outlaw

[stoic needle]

blue name

[limber lion]

Says the sub

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

[shy dust]

Sire is gonna eat that ass

[shy dust]

Council is gonna eat that ass

[limber lion]

I can't wait

[stoic needle]

All I have to do is not kill people with recital or chains and I'm Gucci

[shy dust]

And also do good damage ofc

[stoic needle]

I mean it's a trial so it's mechanics first right

[shy dust]

The higher you go

The expectation is you can do both

Not mechanics first per say

Like yes mechanics are important but your dps should still not suffer if you get what I’m saying

[stoic needle]

Yeah I get you

[shy dust]

But it looks good as a trial generally

If you contribute to actually killing a boss versus top parsing

IE focusing attendant on council

[limber lion]

I was #1 dps in SLG as Outlaw, and I never play Outlaw

[shy dust]

Versus padding for a high parse

[limber lion]

Says a bit about our guild

[shy dust]

Though that doesn’t really apply to sin since it’s shit at damaging an attendant

[limber lion]

Fingers crossed you will not be #1 damage

[stoic needle]

Sin is so dog for killing attendants though

[shy dust]

The premise does though

Of contributing to a kill vs trying to parse

[limber lion]

Rae just snipes attendants with rupture

I see you

[stoic needle]

I wonder if it might be worth it to go outlaw on council

Idk

[shy dust]

Nah

[nimble spoke]

get that energy back XD

[shy dust]

Sub > outlaw

For council

At least pre 9.0.5

[limber lion]

Still is pretty sure

[stoic needle]

Hmm

[limber lion]

And surely you have that Finality banked

[stoic needle]

Even if my gear for sub is trash?

[limber lion]

Like the rest of us

meta slaves

[stoic needle]

[shy dust]

Depends on how trash

[stoic needle]

Imagine

[shy dust]

Assuming the gear is close

Sub can funnel for most of the boss encounter

[nimble spoke]

I made finality first 😅

[stoic needle]

My gear is mostly haste and crit not much vers

[shy dust]

Can burst the attendant

Outlaw can do attendant damage too

[stoic needle]

I actually have enough ash to make like a 225 finality

[shy dust]

But just does less boss damage than sub on that boss