assassination

[shy dust]

2 buttons is all you need

Anything else is too much

[compact pumice]

So, fire mage in classic?

[thorny rose]

I found 12 to be a bit much. I’m probably going to get the ones with like 6 on the side. I hate using modifiers besides shift so I’m running out of binds

[shy dust]

2 mouse side buttons*

Is what I meant

[compact pumice]

Ah

[limber lion]

I have a mouse with 7 buttons and I only use like 3 actively, 2 sometimes and 2 almost never.

[clever niche]

i run 9 buttons for wow stuff on my mmo mouse dakota, use the last 3 for discord and comms stuff

[compact pumice]

Need is a strong word, but I might like using several buttons more, dunno

[thorny rose]

I know this isn’t #pvp but I did like having dedicated mouse buttons for target arena123

[teal bloom]

I use razer naga trinity with that 7 button side panel, I don't really need 12.

[thorny rose]

shadow step kick anyyyyyone

[compact pumice]

I have all mouse buttons bound though, like wheelup and shift:wheelup etc

[thorny rose]

and I hate clicking literally any ability. Like I even have my food keybound

[compact pumice]

With that And the two side buttons there’s 4 buttons bound with modifiers so 8 actions

Oh yeah, shouldn’t click unless it’s something you only use like in capital cities once per hour like a sell macro or something 😛

[clever niche]

other fun macro stuff

on your friends character? add /camp to all their abilities and watch them go into meltdown as they try to log off with each ability

[willow yoke]

Hey is anyone else having trouble with stealth breaking by random buffs (from priest or warrior ec.) or getting absorbs? it's really annoying. I am currently playing assa and one guy said its because of subtefuge being bugged.

[limber lion]

Or just macro one of the rarer abilities with /exit so the game closes when he presses that button

[compact pumice]

Just do /exit then they would have to restart a lot too

Yeah

[limber lion]

But don't do it on the buttons that they press often

But the ones that are a bit rarer

[molten beacon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

That'll drive them insane

[clever niche]

/camp for the middle stuff /exit on the hearthstone lol

[compact pumice]

Well, could just make the mount button /block their guild master. That’s gonna even be hard to debug

[limber lion]

No, I have not had any problems like that and I only play Assa.

Subterfuge should not be bugged in that regard.

There were some random problems with stealth breaking for Necrolords in dungeons, but that was fixed a week or two ago.

[clever niche]

had something week before last where prideful buff took me out of shroud

nothing close to that otherwise

[stoic needle]

I haven't been having any problems

I've heard people getting broken out of stealth by theotar's last trait with double potency but I haven't experienced that either

Playing law

[willow yoke]

its really weird, the only thing that changed for me since last week is running with the phial of putrification, and suddenly whenever my warrior battle shouts i get dropped out of invis.. same when my priest casts radiance.. they laughed that am just trolling them, but then they tested that get broken out of stealth instantly even out of gcd

[willow yoke]

i am actually running theotar .. will try if that fixes it 🙂

[limber lion]

Token of Apprectiation could be pretty troll for sure! Hopefully it's that and it fixes it.

[fair kayak]

I'm sorry if this question has been asked a lot guys, but if you play both Assa & Outlaw depending of the encounter, would you say that Venthyr or Necro is the safest bet for the two ? I've checked the sims but I cannot decide

[willow yoke]

its the Token of Appreciacion actually .. thank you guys .. ill run nadjia from now on 😄

[limber lion]

Either works fine. Necro works better for Outlaw and for AoE, but Venthyr is big for Assa's ST.

[thorn turtle]

is decanter trinket good? cuz i got 220 in the vault and it seems the best option

[limber lion]

If you're planning raid-heavy, then Venthyr is probably the play because Assa is the preferred spec for most of the encounters

[thorn turtle]

wait, is 220 max lvl for vault now?

for m+?

[limber lion]

No, 226 is still the best loot you can get

Well, 233 from 2.4k rating in PvP or Mythic Sire/SLG

But from M+ yeah, 226 is the highest.

[thorn turtle]

but i got 220 in the vault for a 15

wtf

[fair kayak]

Yup talking mostly about raid ; Only annoying thing is that we dont know how the fights in the next raid will be

[stoic needle]

I don't get why token is breaking other people out of stealth but not me

[stoic needle]

If you're playing sin you should run wasteland propriety anyway

[limber lion]

Are you a necro now? If so, I would swap to Venthyr now and get them both leveled up. That way you have both ready so you can quickly swap if Necro tops the charts all of a sudden

[bright hemlock]

double sinful revelation sims the best for single target?

[fair kayak]

I'm NF right now, that's why the choice is so hard to make

[bright hemlock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eobKr3AdDXeNA68wYYh5J8

[limber lion]

Maybe you're using Cloaked in Shadows and they are not? That way you already have a shield when you enter stealth and the token only adds to it.

Instead of providing a completely new buff.

Idk

Who knows

Blizzard 🍝

[stoic needle]

I only started running cloaked this week, it wasn't happening to me last week either o.o

[thorn turtle]

anyone has the idea why i got 220 vault for a 15?

or did they change smth?

[limber lion]

You definitely didn't

You probably didn't open the vault from last week and you got 2 vaults ready

Take the item and look if you can open the vault again

[stoic needle]

Can that even happen?

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

That literally happened earlier today

[stoic needle]

Wow

[thorn turtle]

😮

[stoic needle]

Well that's cool that you don't lose one

[limber lion]

Someone was complaining about getting a single 210 item when they did 5 dungeons at 14+

[stoic needle]

Decanter is okayish

Not amazing but not terrible either

[bright hemlock]

:<

[thorn turtle]

nah my vault is empty

but i legit got a 220 trinket for a 15

it's 12/12 upgraded

[limber lion]

What's your ign and server?

[thorn turtle]

Pogfrog Stormscale

[limber lion]

No clue, you should probably open up a ticket.

[thorn turtle]

or maybe im just too tired and missread smth

[stoic needle]

Yeah I would do that

[thorn turtle]

but still gonna open that up

[stoic needle]

You can check your raider io

[limber lion]

Nah I just checked that you did a +15 SoA 3 days ago

So definitely should have gotten a 226 item

[stoic needle]

I had 2 keys fail today because of leavers

This might be a 1 key week

Guess that means Phial/pox guaranteed?

I want an iqd t h

[limber lion]

I did only 1 key last week and got the same ring Whispyr got

[thorn turtle]

i've opened the ticket, but i literally might be dumb cuz i was proofreading a lot of shit today

[limber lion]

So, in other words, I got 750 stygia

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

Same

[stoic needle]

Smh not taking it for your mastery set

[limber lion]

Yeh true, probably should have for the giga envenoms on Sludge

[shy dust]

😏

another believer being turned into the great IQD

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna keep doing sludge in like 9.4 just to chase the big envenom

Man I've always loved iqd

It's the first trinket I genuinely wanted when I first started the exp

Before I even knew it was good, just because it was cool

[wide stone]

what missives should i go for the DB gloves? Haste/vers? Haste/crit?

[limber lion]

Either is fine

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-text-drop-yellow-gif-16391383

[gusty mirage]

I loved IQD when we could do a trinket swap and keep the buff, but then I was robbed

[stoic needle]

I would kill to have it for keys

[wide stone]

im 175 atm, just got the recipe, simming will change too much for me over the course

[stoic needle]

It's only like a 10 dps difference between the two

[gusty mirage]

Either or is a safe bet. If you plan on pvping do crit haste because you’ll have a ton of vers naturally. If not, flip a coin

[stoic needle]

If you pvp ever do haste vers

[gusty mirage]

^ that too

More vers is always a good thing for pvp

[wide stone]

aight ima go haste vers cause the vers gods hate me and spite me

[stoic needle]

Lol

You will be swimming in vers gear

Just watch

[wide stone]

when i played havoc i had like 14% vers max, cause all i got was crit mastery

or haste mastery

[gusty mirage]

Osh I might have to just accept mastery in my life. The great vault just seems to shove mastery down my throat

7 boxes unlocked every piece had mastery

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bison-street-fighter-yes-gif-3718772

[gusty mirage]

I took a 226 vers/mastery ring for pvp. Now I have like 9 rings

[stoic needle]

Another one for the mastery cult

[gusty mirage]

I can’t wait to hit 2100 in 3s and upgrade my last bits of 220 gear. Then I can gray parse for ilvl cuz I’m a clown

[stoic needle]

Idk I just have negative desire to pvp anymore

Not even for 233s

[gusty mirage]

I have two good buddies to run RPS with, one’s a glad on his main so it helps a lot lol

If I had to LFG I would’ve given up months ago

[stoic needle]

I don't like the gap between pvp gear and m+/raid gear

For sin anyway

[gusty mirage]

+20 achieve and 226 upgradable gear when???

[stoic needle]

Honestly

[shy dust]

[quasi grotto]

can someone link me the bis list please?

[shy dust]

Get that 2100

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

[dim tide]

Lashing Scars conduit from Sire is not 100% drop?

[vital haven]

nope

[gusty mirage]

No conduits aren’t

[dim tide]

ffs...

[vital haven]

ive killed hungering like 10 times

havent gotten cloaked in shadows

[thorn turtle]

would you prefer 220 decanter and 220 phial, or phial and 220 vessel?

[gusty mirage]

Maybe it’ll drop next week

[vital haven]

sim it

[gusty mirage]

220 phial/dreadfire probably. Assuming that’s the vessel you’re talking about

[thorn turtle]

i feel like dreadfire is good for st, but in m+ it could be better for cleave?

[unkempt belfry]

Question, does Zoldyck buff Envenom's damage too, or just like weapon poisons and bleeds?

I can't brain today

[gusty mirage]

Decanter’s cone is kind of a pain because it seems to be super thin, but if you can make sure it hits all the targets it has a lot of value in m+

[thorn turtle]

envenom is a poison chance multiplier not a poison

[gusty mirage]

I personally hate trinkets that force me into any position, so I never use my decanter and I absolutely despise skulkers lol

[thorn turtle]

skulkers feels shit ngl

[unkempt belfry]

the tooltip itself was saying attacking with poisoned weapons, and I know it's nature. Just wanted to clarify.

[gusty mirage]

It got our ww monk killed on hungering and I never wanted it again

[keen tree]

first time raider on rogue - should i use vigor or deeper strat? Using zoldyck as lego, in case it's relevant (cos that's what ive got until i make a doomblade in a couple of weeks).

[compact pumice]

Skulkers is fun. Sometimes if I pop it exact same time as blade rush I bounce around like a maniac

[thorn turtle]

i hate it in m+, like on the arena boss in top, when it charges the banner instead of boss, when boss was closer

[gusty mirage]

It’s the best in pvp, attacks those pesky warlock gates

[thin inlet]

!opener

[gusty mirage]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gusty mirage]

Check out the IV one

Seli does a good job breaking it down

[gusty mirage]

I’d sim to see what performs better for you. Vigor isn’t a bad choice, but it could be less damage for you. Just pop yourself into top gear and check which one sims better for you

[keen tree]

thx 🙂

[gusty mirage]

No problem

[keen tree]

If I don't want to change talents during the raid is the following build right? 3,2,1,2,3,2,1? i.e. the build that makes sense across the entire thing?

or would you go with 331 fo the first 3 rows?

[bright hemlock]

Why double Sinful revelation enchant is simming the best for single target? is this a bug?

[plain thistle]

why would it be a bug?

its just extra damage, it contribute more to our dps than celestial or a lightless force

[frigid kestrel]

What cov do you have and what’s your haste at?

[clever niche]

Thought it didn't stack just refreshed and with the proc rate in sinful having a different enchant is worth on the other weapon

[keen tree]

Venthyr, 19% haste unbuffed

[stoic needle]

It shouldn't sim higher than sinful/celestial

Having double sinful just means higher uptime on the buff instead of 2 buffs

[plain thistle]

for me double sin or sin-celestial are both equal

[stoic needle]

Which should be less impactful than sinful + 5% agi proc

[frigid kestrel]

You will more then likely sim better dps going DS vs Vigor

[stoic needle]

Weird

[plain thistle]

I think weapon enchant this expansion have lower uptime, which can cause double of the same enchant to sim good/ok

[frigid kestrel]

Sim yourself to make sure, but with that haste DS is gonna be the play 9 out of 10 times

[keen tree]

ah the query wqas more about whether to go subt or master asssassin in the row bvefore

if i dont want to keep switching talents

so 331 or 321 for first three rows?

or 332 or 322 even

[frigid kestrel]

Ahhh, for raid you going MA

[stoic needle]

Just bug the warlock in your group for summons

[keen tree]

ok. cos the IV guide has like half the fights as subt and have as ma

but if i just want to have one setup you are saying go blindside and master assa?

[clever niche]

Sin/celestial always has the best for me! Love the pfp BTW

[frigid kestrel]

Yes

[keen tree]

perfect thx 🙂

[clever niche]

Jhonwei is spot on about weapon enchant uptime, bfa enchants were nice

[neat pulsar]

if deeper stratagem and vigor sims exactly the same in single target, which one would be the best ? Depending on encounters, cleave, the less punishing, the easiest to play ?

[keen tree]

do you macro vendetta and flag?

[wind nacelle]

I’d like to know that too

[wind nacelle]

Think DS leaves more room for error in that you are less likely to waste CP’s from crits

[neat pulsar]

what do you mean by flag ?

[wind nacelle]

Flaggelation

[keen tree]

venthry ability

[wheat parrot]

whats the cd on flaggelation?

[keen tree]

1.5

i'm taking answers from ppl who play venth as priority 🙂

[dawn ivy]

you CAN macro them together I guess

[keen tree]

or at least know what it is and what its cooldown is

[ornate raptor]

I macro them together

[keen tree]

thx eblise. can you share the macro? im shit at that kind of stuff

[ornate raptor]

Makes my life easier to just press one key

[dawn ivy]

but do keep in mind you dont hold flag for your vendetta all the time

[keen tree]

yah im first time raiding so anyting to take thining out of the equation is good

ah ok

[gusty mirage]

You send flag on CD. Only line it up if it’s literally going to be the last cast you’ll get on the boss

[ornate raptor]

My macro is very plain. And yeah you don’t hold flag

[keen tree]

do you typically at least hold flag until you are about use a finisher?

and ahve some energy?

[ornate raptor]

Or if you see flag or vendetta coming off in 5 sec of each other

[broken dirge]

!ggguide

[ornate raptor]

Nah just throw it on there. It gives u haste so energy will becoming your way

[broken dirge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[keen tree]

kk. i figured you wanted to get more finishers in for the ongoing haste buff

[gusty mirage]

Only in the opener, you’d flag before the rupture

[keen tree]

ah ok

wow.. DS rather than vigor REALLY changes the feel of the rotation!

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it slows it down a bit but when you get rolling it’s fine

[keen tree]

cool. more time to think!

[ornate raptor]

Depends on you how u want to play. DS is 50 dps more gain from vigor for me. I like vigor but again DS seems better

[safe barn]

i think i can't run ds

i only have 12% haste lmao

[gusty mirage]

Your wrists will thank you vs outlaw where you’re pushing a million buttons a boss fight

[safe barn]

tell that to my guild next week

we are on sludge now

so, next week is slg

[gusty mirage]

I switched outlaw for council because the melee range is miserable when we’re trying to stay stacked for recital

[safe barn]

we were missing st dmg so i ran ass

[stoic needle]

Macroing vend+flag is okay as long as you have a separate flag bind

[gusty mirage]

We’re missing ST damage too, so I might have to just suck it up and deal with downtown for recital stacks

[ornate dawn]

With flag you think its better getting it going early in the opener then?

[gusty mirage]

Just pop it before you rupture in the opener

[stoic needle]

Vend+flag before rupture

[safe barn]

i just don wanna grey parse

if im killing it, im ok

[gusty mirage]

Meh idc about parses as long as the boss dies

[sick marsh]

Hello guys, i'm experienced as assa rogue and outlaw rogue and recently i noticed that i didnt rly do higher dps on dummy as assa compared to outlaw. I'm even slightly ahead in pure ST as outlaw, even when the sims disagree. Any suggestions ?

[safe barn]

im just upset cuz i was doing around 6.2k of dps on sludge and the top ones were doing like 8k

thats so high

[gusty mirage]

Check if the top parses are getting PI during the pillars

That’s probably the case

[safe barn]

some of them aren't

[limber lion]

You should definitely do more damage as Assa on pillars.

[safe barn]

im comparing myself to them

[limber lion]

You need to check your rotation out.

[gusty mirage]

Just focus on your performance in your raid and pay attention to the different pieces of gear. Some might have 233 weapons for example so your ilvl might be similar but 233 weapons are a HUGE dps upgrade

[limber lion]

You should post your logs here and we can help you

[sick marsh]

will do, thank you

[safe barn]

yo ceverion

[shy dust]

Don’t look into that

[gusty mirage]

And also pay attention to boss kill time, quicker kills tend to help boost parses

[safe barn]

help me out here

[shy dust]

You’re progging not on farm parsing

It’s hard to compete with guilds

Who kill it much faster

And better geared

[safe barn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aWQBygLD2Zt3PrhK#fight=28&type=damage-done&source=11

GREY PARSING DUDE

THIS IS STRAIGHT UP WRONG

[slender urchin]

The biggest tips I have for m sludge is to refresh DOTs even outside of pandemic if they’ll fall off during pillar

[gusty mirage]

Yeah man, most people rolled into sludge after having it on farm for months and get PIs for parse runs

[slender urchin]

Use flag lined up with vendetta for pillars

[stoic needle]

Wipe parses don't matter

They literally mean nothing

[gusty mirage]

If your guild has killed sludge a few times or you’re still progging it your parses are going to be shit on it. Dude I got a 10 parse on our first Inerva kill lol

[slender urchin]

Try to pool energy before pillar, save shiv if it won’t be up before

[gusty mirage]

But we got the kill

[ornate dawn]

Quick question on openers, this is mine so far :

Mutilate, Slice and Dice, Mutilate, Garrote, Vendetta, Flagellation, Rupture, Mutilate, Shiv, Mutilate, Vanish, Envenom, Mutilate, Envenom

That's with Flag moved sooner (just before the rupture)

Do you think the shivs in the right place, I guess it needs to be fairly close the start of the envenom spam (This is with MA)

[wide bolt]

shiv > vanish > mut and so on @ornate dawn

would be the change i would make

[shy dust]

Try to move

Your first vendetta

Up

To like your 3rd global

So that it’s up as 2nd break occurs

Not midway through

[hoary isle]

how are we this week in m+?

[wide bolt]

still worse than outlaw

[hoary isle]

whaaaaat ? but but but .. we do big pp ST dmg

[safe barn]

""""""""""""""""""""""tier list"""""""""""""""""""""

[hoary isle]

I dont see assasin

[safe barn]

at the bottom

[shy dust]

It’s the f tier

[wide bolt]

yea its using the old icon

the knife

[hoary isle]

thats not the icon is it ?

[safe barn]

it's the old one

[wide bolt]

yea sin does big ST dmg but so does outlaw without sacrificing that much on aoe and being able to pump aoe/cleave a lot more consistently

[karmic crystal]

That’s the combat one

[shy dust]

Sin just ain’t a good m+ spec

[karmic crystal]

The old assassination icon is the eviscerate icon

[hoary isle]

yep

[wide bolt]

oh yea hes right

its not a terrible Mplus spec

its just not top "tier" so to speak

[karmic crystal]

It’s bottom tier so to speak

[safe barn]

you can pretty much do +15 with every spec in the game

the problem is pushing higher keys

[shy dust]

Yes you can do almost all keys as sin

Still a bad m+ spec

It is what it is

[safe barn]

max said something on his stream yesterday and i kinda agree with him

[stoic needle]

These tier lists are dogshit

[safe barn]

"if you have to change your talents to elaborate planning and crimson its just better to go with outlaw"

[onyx wind]

Sure i get the point but its a bad example

[stoic needle]

This is just dumb

[shy dust]

Outta curiosity why

[onyx wind]

What is the tierlist based on?

[safe barn]

tier lists on wow don't work as they should, i get that point

[hoary isle]

ye im talking about pushing 20s

[stoic needle]

I would love to hear their logic about how fury warrior is a s tier spec this week when it has bad single target

[safe barn]

i just showed him something to start from

[stoic needle]

And it's tyrannical

[weary crypt]

on M+ with Master assasins lego, what would our opening be?

[onyx wind]

Im doing great in 18-20's as assa

I wouldnt draw the line that early

[shy dust]

You do know

[agile ledge]

What do you guys think is the cutoff between just using sepsis on cooldown and trying to line it up with shiv and vendetta or only one or the other?

[shy dust]

It being tyrannical

Does not mean you swap to st talents

[onyx wind]

I think u have to go up a bit higher for the spec to hold u back

[shy dust]

That’s not how it works

[onyx wind]

Depends on many things and the talents

[stoic needle]

i never said anything about swapping to single target talents

[storm forum]

~12 seconds to delay one of them

[onyx wind]

But yes, it doesnt mean necessarily that u swap talents

but it can

[agile ledge]

Thanks @storm forum appreciate the info.

[shy dust]

@onyx wind https://subcreation.net/faq.html#mplus

Fury does a lot of damage in a m+ dungeon

That’s basically how they rank the specs

[stoic needle]

all i said was, i want to know their logic for making fury warrior a s tier spec this week when it does good aoe damage but bad single target damage on a week where single target damage is more important

[shy dust]

Because these aren’t based on opinions

It’s based on statistics we have available currently

[safe barn]

it's straight up numbers

[deft rampart]

Does Master Assassin talent affect trinkets?

[onyx wind]

Isnt this only based on key level and io score

and not dps or performance at all?

or am i misreading

And yea fury is pumping

[shy dust]

Yes

It’s not accounting for actual damage

[stoic needle]

mythic plus is just not a gameplay mode in which tier lists make sense or give much useful info because some specs could be dog in certain team comps and amazing in others

[shy dust]

I mean

There is knowledge

To knowing a general breakdown of what’s strong in a system

[onyx wind]

So this tier list is moreso "if u do a top 100 key, what melee are u more likely to play with"

And not "what classes are good in m+"

[shy dust]

It’s a tier list of the strength

Of the specs in m+

[stoic needle]

but strength can't be reliably quantified just by looking at raider.io statistics

because some specs are better or worse depending on what you team them up with

[shy dust]

But if the baseline is already bad to begin with

[stoic needle]

if you have to put a giant footnote that's like YMMV at the bottom what's the point of the tier list in the first place

[shy dust]

It being placed in a certain comp is not going to magically make it be amazing

Sin is just not good for m+

[stoic needle]

thats just not true

[onyx wind]

Sure if ur only looking at top100 keys

its not being played

Does this mean its not good? Probably

[shy dust]

I mean

[onyx wind]

Does this prove its bad? no

[shy dust]

When I discuss something being good

I don’t care for low keys

You can play any spec and time low keys

[onyx wind]

For sure

[storm forum]

I feel like every tier list needs a foot note at the bottom that shows what it's based on, it's scope, etc

[shy dust]

When it comes to actually challenging content

[gusty mirage]

Assa just lost a lot when the borrowed power disappeared

[shy dust]

There is no place for sin

Therefore in that context it is not good

[onyx wind]

Outlaw is for sure better than sin in high keys, noone is arguing otherwise

But this tier list doesnt "prove" it

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[gusty mirage]

Make poisoned katar do what EB did and assa would be more than viable at higher keys

[storm forum]

can we get a SS conduit or lego?

i want that before EB

[shy dust]

EB was boring

SS was nice

[gusty mirage]

That it was, but it made assa viable considering we had 2 aoe abilities with a traitless fan being mediocre af

[shy dust]

I mean

Running eb with enough targets

You didn’t even use finishers

You just kept pressing fok

[storm forum]

im pretty sure you used finishers to keep EP up

[gusty mirage]

Like the outside pull in TD on high keys

[shy dust]

Nope

[stoic needle]

like a tier list that puts assassination below sub for a tyrannical week(or any week for that matter) is just bullshit lmao

[shy dust]

Was a dps loss

It was simmed and shown to be a loss

[slate briar]

Sub rogue is B tier?

[storm forum]

how many targets did you need for that? and did that account for reapplying ruptures?

or were ruptures just unecessary too?

[stoic needle]

the 3 specs with arguably the worst single target damage

[shy dust]

You only applied as many bleeds

[stoic needle]

being top tier on a tyrannical week

????

[gusty mirage]

Probably because of the burst that sub has and the lingering stigma of “assa being too slow”

[shy dust]

As it was necessary to maintain FOK spam

[limber lion]

6 minutes until raid start, hopefully under 30 until M SLG goes down

Let's fucking goo

[shy dust]

I think towards end of bfa it was 3-4

Depending on your haste

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I believe it was 5

[shy dust]

Outside of that it was just denegerate FOK spam

[gusty mirage]

Before corruption at least

[storm forum]

thats incredible

i mostly pushed keys with my priest in bfa :x

[gusty mirage]

Good luck! You got this sending good vibes and good loot vibes your way

You’d fit in some crimson tempests for shiggles as wel

[limber lion]

[shy dust]

No

[storm forum]

fuck 'em up

[gusty mirage]

Unless you had like 10+ targets you’d CT

[shy dust]

Even at like 8 targets

Given you had reasonable crit chance

[stoic needle]

MM = BM and shadow in m+ now huh?

[shy dust]

You just held down FOK

[stoic needle]

tier lists just dont work in m+ especially when they're built from just mythic + completed key data and not any actual analysis of the abilities of specs

or even their performance

[gusty mirage]

BM got buffed beast cleave now

[onyx wind]

well this tier list isnt claiming to rank the specs based on that

other people are just misusing it

:)

[stoic needle]

lmao true

[wide stone]

anyone got a good assa Plater profile/WAs?

[gusty mirage]

Osh does

[stoic needle]

idk just framing it as a tier list seems off

maybe as a popularity list, sure

but tier list inherently implies a ranking of performance

[onyx wind]

its a tier list based on popularity...

[gusty mirage]

It’s sort of like the graphs wcl puts out and wowhead writes an article about

[sick marsh]

@limber lion I struggled uploading logs hitting the pillar lol. but here it is

[gusty mirage]

Means fuck all in reality tbh

[sick marsh]

@limber lion https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/63g4ydZpGBkhnPW8/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2

[wide stone]

@stoic needle mind hitting me up with that plater?

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/0xB3yNIxB

[wide stone]

ty

[limber lion]

I'm just starting raid, but I'm sure Rae or someone will gladly help you wit those.

If they don't, you can dm me later

[plain thistle]

I also like to use a mod/script on plater that allows you to change specific auras size

I do for vendetta-garrote-rupture

easier to see in a multi target situation which add has my important debuffs

[stoic needle]

i tried that but it was too hard to see on multiple targets, in the end i just made sure that only the most important buffs showed up

only vend, rup, shiv, gar, ct, mfd, poisons, DD

everything else is removed

[gusty mirage]

I use that profile now too. It was such a PIA getting it to stop showing pox + phial lol

[shy dust]

looking at logs is tedious

[sick marsh]

@limber lion np i'll also start soon raiding. if anyone feels like to help me on assa rogue, im hitting dummy for now a couple of hours as assa and then as outlaw and i cant overtake outlaw with our best ST spec ... so i'd need suggestions https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/63g4ydZpGBkhnPW8/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2

[gusty mirage]

I had to do it by spell name because spell id wasn’t working for me

[strange python]

@limber lion im not benched

[wind nacelle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle my wa can’t get ur plater profile smh

Says error code or smth like that

[chrome mirage]

Are you importing it into WA or into Plater?

[mossy crown]

do you use potion with vendetta?

[gloomy fern]

not even allowed to parse xymox cus trials need loot

what is this

[balmy condor]

Yes

[stoic needle]

you have to copy it into plater not into WA

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr's on a roll with these discord names

[last skiff]

What piece I should craft for leg? and stats pls. (doomblade)

[lean rover]

Look arround the answer are everywhere

But more specifically in the pins

[last skiff]

k

[limber lion]

1% wipe

This fucker dies now

[stoic needle]

get em

[gentle gyro]

time to open the vault

what will it be this week

[stoic needle]

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/hQvhdP6.png

didn't have that much time this week

and it shows

[eternal sleet]

anyone know the bis stats I should aim for in m+ ? like what would it be with perfect gear

[gentle gyro]

Stygia it is o

[balmy condor]

don't aim for stats, just keep simming

[eternal sleet]

well sim says i should drop nearly all my haste, feels so awefull especially this week

[gentle gyro]

[stoic needle]

you should share that sim

I'd like to see what that actually looks like

[gentle gyro]

stack dat mastery

[balmy condor]

I'm guessing it's like a 5 target sustained sim

[eternal sleet]

yea

[balmy condor]

yeah haste will lose value if you only consider aoe where you're overcapping a ton of energy

makes sense

[stoic needle]

Yeah m+ is not purely 5 target sustained

[eternal sleet]

well how do you guys sim for m+ then? ofc its not only 5target sustained :D

[tiny ember]

On sludge we Vendeta on 1st pillar and last pilar?

[stoic needle]

Dungeon slice

[eternal sleet]

allright gona try that tyvm

[marsh yew]

its either first and third pillar or on pull/second pillar/last pillar

[onyx wind]

so close to rank1 sludge

fuck man

8.5k on wipe

killed on scuffed pull

[stoic needle]

[onyx wind]

so close to beating Passassin man

with no PI

[stoic needle]

Just goes to show

Buffs does not a good player make

[onyx wind]

i graced the asian rogues

[shy dust]

he is no good

[hollow escarp]

can more people play assa already

[tiny ember]

Thank you

[eternal sleet]

damn sim dungeon slice takes a while :D

[onyx wind]

got 226 hateful chain tho

[marsh yew]

pog

mine is only 213 😦

[onyx wind]

im SO SAD

[candid mountain]

Are assassination Rouges more focused on dots?

Than Outlaw?

[hollow escarp]

you want to maintain them

[marsh yew]

compared to outlaw yes

[hollow escarp]

afaik, outlaw has no dots

[gusty mirage]

well outlaw doesn't have any dots

so

by default yes

[hollow escarp]

only instant poison

[stoic needle]

[candid mountain]

So they main with Rupture garrote and others?

[sullen fern]

how much haste should you aim for raiding?

[stoic needle]

0

[candid mountain]

As much as you can get lol.

[gusty mirage]

whatever raidbots tells you to get

[sullen fern]

just like average

good number to hit

[candid mountain]

Oh.

[stoic needle]

0

[marsh yew]

I mean personally my top damage ability is envenom but it is important to keep up garrote and rupture

[candid mountain]

Uhhhhhhh.

[hollow escarp]

get as much haste as you can 🙂

[gusty mirage]

whatever top gear tells you is your best combination of gear

is the best number you can get

[hollow escarp]

so we just killed Inerva

and I didn't loot any

[stoic needle]

Wow

[gusty mirage]

and no one traded it to you?

[hollow escarp]

shadow priest and resto druid

[stoic needle]

That's fucked up

[candid mountain]

I've heard assassination Rouges and the other specs on huntsman altimor need to use Kidney shot when you pull in the shade of barghast.

[stoic needle]

RESTO

[gusty mirage]

rdruid kept a crit/haste ring?

wut

[hollow escarp]

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

we don't have loot council

[gusty mirage]

want me to find him and beat him up for you?

[hollow escarp]

so we trade when we don't need loot

he is a good guy 🙂

I don't feel bad for them getting the rings

[dense hamlet]

i would 🙂

[gusty mirage]

you only stun the shade if a cast is about to go off and no one else can get to it

[hollow escarp]

if we kill council this week, I won't ever see Inerva before killing Sire

[prisma perch]

do we play doom with tyrannical?

[candid mountain]

Well stunning it is still important.

[gusty mirage]

I'm never seeing Inerva again cause we're extending indefinitely for hopes of getting CE

[candid mountain]

Even on sun king.

When the infusers come out my group says kill side cc the other side. And when we get to the side we cc'd they say keep stunning them.

[hollow escarp]

well, that will be us I think, so I can only hope I get the ring from the vault or worse scenario we wipe 2 raid nights on council so we reclear next week

[marsh yew]

no one ever said it's not important to stun tho 😦

[gusty mirage]

Is this heroic or mythic? Because if infusers come out, you're probably wiping on sun king tbh

[split veldt]

so first night of mythic sludge tonight, save coolies for pillars or just go hard at the start?

[gusty mirage]

follow Qwerne's advice on it 🙂

[candid mountain]

We get him on both normal and heroic.

[gusty mirage]

also idk if they hotfixed the visuals yet but they weren't updated after the changes so the debris animation is still tied to the old cast so stand in it a second longer

[candid mountain]

Were still trying to kill sludge fist for heroic.

[gusty mirage]

the soaks that is

[prisma perch]

we playing doom or zoldyck on tyrannical?

[gusty mirage]

zoldyk's better for m+

[hollow escarp]

depends on dungeon

[onyx wind]

Is there any way to look at specific wipes on WCL if u killed the boss?

[marsh yew]

yes

[hollow escarp]

yep

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you have your raid logs link for the night it should show all wipes as well

[hollow escarp]

click the log title in top left

and check wipes

[gusty mirage]

Wiped on Council last Night with Niklaus at 27%

[onyx wind]

ah show all

[gusty mirage]

we're missing a DPS check to push niklaus before the 2nd stoneguard spawn so that it can get killed during the macabre

[hollow escarp]

one shot inerva but wiped on Shriekwing

[gusty mirage]

lmao I swear the further you progress through mythic, the more degenerate your shriek kills get

[split veldt]

hmm im seeing a lot of EP for sludge on WCL

[shy dust]

getting a clean

shriek wing kill

is a herculean task

[hollow escarp]

yeah, people don't los anymore and stuff like that

[split veldt]

also seeing a lot of vigor

[onyx wind]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X7LHKafRbJMZFDjz#fight=1&cutoff=0&type=damage-done&source=8&start=57551&end=349680

look at this man

if we killed him...

[gusty mirage]

0%

Feels fucking awful

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

that's some dam

[limber lion]

I just had a 1% wipe on SLG as well

[onyx wind]

went from DS+blindside to EP+vigor and it felt like i was on crack

[limber lion]

With a 99 wipe parse

wipe parse, my favorite

[split veldt]

lol in a good way?

[onyx wind]

yea

[split veldt]

nice

[gusty mirage]

its unwritten ravenholdt tradition that the close wipes end up being your best parse

[split veldt]

we never kill a boss when im parsing

[gusty mirage]

exactly

[split veldt]

so annoying

[gusty mirage]

[split veldt]

[gusty mirage]

just like when you play outlaw, got a 5 buff pre-pull? RIP your attempt

just wipe it up now

[hollow escarp]

same here with Xymox kill

I never had a clean Xymox kill

but so many good pulls

[split veldt]

ill have like 10 good pulls and then we magically kill it on the one pull i die or get a shitload of mechanics

[gusty mirage]

That's the only way

[split veldt]

[gusty mirage]

It's why us rogues are so jaded

also I watched Vaughn on mythic slg

and jfc that fight is awful to watch

[split veldt]

hmm sims 50 dps less for me

[tawny shadow]

hey guys returning rogue here, hows assassin in raid??

[split veldt]

fun

and good

[tawny shadow]

more fun than sub would u say?

[frigid kestrel]

They slap pretty decently

[frigid kestrel]

Define fun?

[split veldt]

i hat sub and love Sin, so yes i would say so, lol

[tawny shadow]

idk personal experience in comparison

[split veldt]

but fun is subjective

[stoic needle]

Hot take: all 3 rogue specs are fun

[split veldt]

how dare you, outlaw is shit

roll the bones can fuck off

[gusty mirage]

I love assassination, and haven't liked sub since legion. So I enjoy it more than sub, but that's just personal preference

[stoic needle]

Nah man that 5 buff is fun

Ma + KS is undeniably fun

[gusty mirage]

KS without MA is fun too

[split veldt]

that 5 buff is never fun, you only get it on the trash pack before the boss or during the last 10 seconds of the boss

[gusty mirage]

Its the most fun during prideful

[split veldt]

KS + MA was fun as hell tho, ill admit it

[stoic needle]

"ROGUE WTF"

[gusty mirage]

it's like playing russian roulette with your life, is this the cast where I become part of the killing spree? Who knows

[stoic needle]

Relaaaaax bro

[marsh yew]

I got 5 buffs right before we pulled sunking

[stoic needle]

#calculated

[marsh yew]

that is the only time I will burst for 15k dps

[frigid kestrel]

I enjoy both specs the major difference is -
Sub - press buttons faster, less dps
Sin - press buttons slower, more dps

Sin - DoT/Bleed Management
Sub - Taking advantage of your SD/Burst windows for phat SS/Evis

[stoic needle]

Sub is just undertuned rn

[undone eagle]

for ST you always wanna have the garrote + rupture active and save Vendetta + vanish for shiv + envenom spam in mid fight right???

[stoic needle]

If it was better I'd play it

[gusty mirage]

$5 blizz forgets about sub

sorry, "forgets"

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

You don't save vendetta and shiv and vanish, you use them on CD

[split veldt]

fkit, im going EP + vigor tonight

[marsh yew]

nah I always save vendetta for sepsis 100% of the time :):):)

[stoic needle]

You just plan the rest of your dot maintenance so that you are free to use envenom spam when vendetta and vanish recharge

[split veldt]

EP works on dots and bleeds that are rolling right?

[stoic needle]

Yeah it's dynamic

[split veldt]

[stoic needle]

It would be cool if it snapshot

[undone eagle]

@stoic needle ''you use them on CD'' you mean when you pull it?

[split maple]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[undone eagle]

because i always use it on opener, but in mid fight i save vendetta + vanish so they time up with shiv

[limber lion]

Another 1% wipe :D:D

[undone eagle]

meanwhile my garrote + rupture is active

[gusty mirage]

[flint snow]

MA still work with trinkets ? (talent, not legendary)

[green obsidian]

what do you think is the minimum amount of haste needed to play assa efficiently?

[gusty mirage]

more than 0% idk there is no minimum amount

[green obsidian]

i have only 450 and i feel like its not enough

[gusty mirage]

well thats because its just a slower spec than sub or outlaw

[split veldt]

anyone know how long until the first pillar on mythic sludge?

[shy dust]

Like 55 seconds

Or so

[tropic echo]

the APL casts flag on cd instead of syncing it with vendetta right?

[gusty mirage]

yep

only try syncing it if its the last cast of each you'll get on the boss

but even then its probably not worth the effort to try to min/max it

[tropic echo]

im trying to stop but it's a habit

[green obsidian]

shiv on cd too or try ti sync with vendetta?

[split veldt]

boo, so def need to save coolies for pillar

[compact pumice]

shiv on CD but can save for vendetta for 12secs tops

[placid dawn]

what is the dps loss if you only cast flag with vendetta?

[balmy condor]

depends if you miss a cast or not

if you miss a cast, like 100 dps

[placid dawn]

if you dont?

[compact pumice]

it should be a gain then

[placid dawn]

but on any fight longer than 3m you lose a proc right

[balmy condor]

then it's a gain of about 60

[placid dawn]

cool, thanks

[gentle gyro]

aight, time to re-re-re-progress xy'mox

[glacial shuttle]

Just to clarify, is there a slight bug with the way Vanish works for Assassination right now? Like on a single mob out in the world I can Vanish and immediately hit the target with something and it won't reset. ;S But in my experience usually things reset automatically anyway

[balmy condor]

that's not a bug

[gentle gyro]

that's intended

[balmy condor]

if you're out of combat with something, it will reset

[glacial shuttle]

Interesting. o.o What's the time lapse between it resetting and me being able to hit it?

[balmy condor]

that's just game mechanic

[gentle gyro]

there are some exceptions

e.g. bosses in torghast won't reset immediately

but after like ~1 global

[split veldt]

should i save coolies for all pillars or just first pillar?

[tropic echo]

most groups lust second pillar right?

[shy dust]

when are you lusting

and on sludge you sync vendetta and flag

[tropic echo]

if you cd at pull they line up with second pillar

[balmy condor]

yikes no

[glacial shuttle]

Do you sync the haste bit or the damage bit

[shy dust]

yeah the m strat

is generally pull, 2nd, 4th

[balmy condor]

if you do 4 pillars, lust on 4

[tropic echo]

ah ic

[undone eagle]

i cant even reach 6-7k dps on some ST bosses... is it cuz i got 13% haste ? trying my best with rotation

got quantum + skulker trinket

sometimes energy regen feels slow af

[surreal halo]

Doing ST M Council strat. Is it worth multi-dotting for ST at all?

[icy haven]

garrote yes, not worth ruptureing

[undone eagle]

@icy haven same for inervas's mobs?

[plain thistle]

no because inerva add damage counts, council "extra" boss doesnt

you want inverva adds to die, if they live long enough ( especially the tank one ) you want garrote and rupture in there full time

[brazen rampart]

is IQD actually good or is it a simtrap?

[visual prairie]

garrote is worth it in council because you get more energy back than you spent? is that right?

[balmy condor]

simtraps don't exist

it's good

[balmy condor]

yeah, unsure if rupture is worth atm

[brazen rampart]

can you get messed up by the return mana and other effects like that?

[surreal halo]

Nice one

[grand echo]

Which one is generally better for Sire (M) prog, doomblade or zoldycks? top 100 using 90% doomblade..

now that SLG is down im finally off the bench for our progress and I need to study some things.....

[subtle tundra]

top 100 is mostly farm kills

[plain thistle]

yes, that is one case where saving flag is better

[split veldt]

alright we lusting on 4rth pillar, so it looks like blow my load sans potion on pull, then 2nd pillar and potion on 4rth with lust

im also seeing agi pots being used on this fight?

[tropic echo]

can priests PI themselves?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tropic echo]

k

[balmy condor]

and shadow priests always should

[still dove]

Hi guys looking for advice in p2 of H sire. I try keep full ruptures and garrotes up on sword and sire and whenever i have a spare moment i'll put garrotes and 3-4 CP ruptures on the caster adds. should i just be chucking garrotes on them and dumping env into sword/sire instead?

[balmy condor]

you only garrote/rupture if they will survive for the duration

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/2f78ea5d011ef112fb0ceb76e6b7f782

Have a nice day, friends

[safe rover]

rogue bois, does the master assassin leggo still work in NW spears n shit?

[balmy condor]

no

[still dove]

ok ty

[safe rover]

F

[balmy condor]

that was one of the main changes of 9.1.5

9.0.5*

[safe rover]

ah fair, only been playing rogue after 9.0.5 ty tho

[split veldt]

has everybody switched to agi pots now?

and 2x stones

[plain thistle]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[split veldt]

im looking at mythic logs

and see a lot of agi pots

[drifting cloud]

well ive been using them since day1

[gusty mirage]

Ayyy! Congrats sir

[limber lion]

No more Outlaw for me, yay

[green obsidian]

happens the same to me, also have 13% haste and sometimes i cant even fit 2 envenoms on a shiv window because of haste and low crit aswell

thats why i asked for a minimum of haste to play it

[gusty mirage]

that's just a pooling issue more than a haste issue

you'd need a ton of haste for that to never be the case

[green obsidian]

i am pooling for shiv windows

[drifting cloud]

the minimum amount you need is 0

[balmy condor]

you guys do realize

that if you can't hit 2

neither can the sims

I don't get this fascination with 3 envenoms in a shiv window or whatever

[gusty mirage]

bfa really messed with people's heads about stat breakpoints and all that

[soft shale]

just get 50% crit

and crit everytime

ez

[warped shale]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[split veldt]

how are these guys squeezing in 2 agi pots on sludge, they just not care if the 2nd one lines up with lust ?

[gusty mirage]

they probably just want 2 agi pots rather than maximizing one

one on pull and then one during the oh shit lets burn it before he hits the wall and we wipe part of the fight

[split veldt]

lol yeah

[regal prawn]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[split veldt]

some pieces with mastery are a DPS upgrade for me lately

like sidegrade upgrade

[gusty mirage]

are they higher ilvl or same ilvl?

[split veldt]

same

[gusty mirage]

probably ends up being a slight dps upgrade because of the shift in stat weights

[split veldt]

i noticed when i went to see if any 220 valor pieces were worth farming

[lament dove]

I guess I have to be careful not to do any 15s this week...

[gusty mirage]

lmao I noticed that bug yesterday too

[gray fjord]

[gusty mirage]

or rather last week

[glacial shuttle]

Do we use flag before he hits the pillar so we get the haste or do we do it right as he hits it so we get the damage?

Sludge I mean.

[limber lion]

Right as he's about to hit

[limber lion]

Last 2s of charge: Flag
Last 1s of charge: Shiv

[split veldt]

21% mastery

lol

[limber lion]

Slowly working toward something like that as well. Still got 25% mastery.

[split veldt]

i had zero mastery, but then it started to be a DPS gain

so i was like fuckit

and by zero i mean none on gear

[oak arrow]

this is my M+ set

raid set

[split veldt]

like no vers O.O

[oak arrow]

eh

[split veldt]

what does your raid set sim for

[oak arrow]

6400 at 219

[glacial shuttle]

How strong is hateful chain? Does it proc off melee swings?

[split veldt]

6805, 223

[oak arrow]

nice

this is at 223 with some more vers and mastery, but only sims about 100 dps or so more then my 219 set

[balmy condor]

it's good

[oak arrow]

i still need more gear heh

[oblique flare]

the low vers is disgustang

[split veldt]

i had like 9 pieces of pvp gear on at one point lmao

so much vers

but i was outlaw, so it was fine

[oak arrow]

when i sim my gear, vers is behind crit by .05, .08 behind haste

[stoic needle]

It's very good for sin. The proc chance scales with haste

[glacial shuttle]

Oh nice 😮

[undone eagle]

whats the lowest haste % you would reccomend?

Im at 13 atm

[scarlet sequoia]

omg i beat the 4 PI chinese rogue on denathrius by 100 dps

kinda insane

[balmy condor]

all of china in shambles

[glacial shuttle]

Are there any crit haste daggers atm?

[scarlet sequoia]

and im necrolord even

its kinda op tbh

[dapper dock]

Hey guys I'm having a hard time deciding between necro, ven, and , Nf. How did u guys go about deciding which cov?

[pliant apex]

sheet music 213 is simming 60 more dps than memory of past sins 213 for me,that normal?

is sheet a better trinket?

[stark heart]

@balmy condor dashing buffs envenom crit as well, right? like finisher itself gets +15% crit just because

[balmy condor]

yes

[pliant apex]

yes to my question whisp?

[balmy condor]

yes to lorentz

sheet music feels like trash to use

[pliant apex]

ohh

but 60 dps is a lot right?

you reckon i shouldnt use it?

[stoic needle]

Sheet music is the poopoo

[pliant apex]

so naa to sheet?

[stoic needle]

60 dps is only if you play it perfectly (you won't)

[pliant apex]

oh shit just saw what it does, fuck that

[stoic needle]

Not enough of a gain for the effort and the risk of getting hit with mechanics

[pliant apex]

i can barely do a fight straight without grey logs

[pale plank]

I play both raid and mythics, should I just go with doomblade and zoldyck?

Freshly 60 btw

[pliant apex]

heh nicely put bud

[quartz iris]

Zoldyck Insignia or doomblade in heroic raid? I see a lot of hype for doomblade and personally saw a good result but seems like its very situational where it shines in the current raid.

[gray fjord]

Doomblade is a slapper

[quartz iris]

Yes obviously both would be ideal but I used all my fast soul ash gains on sub and outlaw legendaries so it's a wait for the assassin ones

[gray fjord]

I only have 1 assassination legendary.

It's doomblade.

[onyx wind]

Zoldyck is banger if ur progressing on some bosses

But u will almost always parse lower with zoldyck

which is why people on farm play doomblade on almost any boss

[undone eagle]

Its okey to wait with shiv when u wanna rebleed garr rupture and gain some energy to spam envenom?

[balmy condor]

no

[onyx wind]

I sometimes do if its only 1 global

[undone eagle]

Then what do i do if shiv is up and my bleed is running out

[balmy condor]

you shiv

[limber lion]

You reapply them before your shiv comes up

[undone eagle]

Do i just build fast dots with garrote muti

[limber lion]

You think 15s ahead and reapply them before Shiv comes off cooldown, simple

[undone eagle]

Yeye ik but if i fail smth and its messed up situation

[limber lion]

Unlucky

[undone eagle]

Indeed

[limber lion]

Press Shiv

[undone eagle]

🤣

So i wanna use shiv all the time whenever its up right

Just need to time it everytime with bleeds

[balmy condor]

you plan your bleeds beforehand

and shiv on cd

[stoic needle]

Yeah. If you have to shiv and then reapply dots it's not like your character is gonna get deleted

[cold sparrow]

just try to apply at least 1 bleed before shiv, ideally both

you will get the hang out of it at some point

[limber lion]

Garrote doesn't matter as much because it's a generator, but rupture is pretty big

inb4Whispyr says that nothing matters

[cold sparrow]

exactly

[limber lion]

and you should just press everything on cd

[cold sparrow]

imo its more important to apply both bleeds before vendetta, because you wanna only use envenom as finisher during vendetta to get the max dmg out of it

(combining it with vanish if you play MA)

[pliant apex]

is the difference between venthyr and NF almost 200 dps now ? just saw pins

[balmy condor]

yes

ever since 9.0.5

[pliant apex]

200s a lot whisp right?

[balmy condor]

I mean sure

[cold sparrow]

well is e.g. 6k dps and 6.2k dps a huge difference for you? :P

[pliant apex]

itd be the difference between no 6 to no 4 in my guild dps rankings

or from no 4 on hungering to 2

as trial that outa help i reckon

if i buy that green fox mount as NF, can i use it once venthyr?

[cold sparrow]

should be usable since it drops from Valfir

[pliant apex]

no it costs 5k anima

from vendor at NF

[cold sparrow]

it can also drop from Valfir

[pliant apex]

oh

[cold sparrow]

but one needs a NF to kill him because of his shield/aura

[pliant apex]

are all mythic playing venthyr now?

no NF?

raiders*

[cold sparrow]

there are still NFs

[pliant apex]

if i dont wait 7 secs after sepsis to cast vanish, will it be a huge dps loss

i mean cast vanish rightaway after sepsis ?

[balmy condor]

it's a loss for sure

[pliant apex]

big one?

[cold sparrow]

you want the ambush to fall into the MA

[balmy condor]

what the

no

that's definitely not why

[pliant apex]

so after vanish then, do i cast garrote first then mut- env

[balmy condor]

what

[pliant apex]

after the 7 sec sepsis

i cast vanish, then gar-mut-env?

[cold sparrow]

really? Most of the logs Ive checked had Envenom + Ambush in the last 3 secs with MA. I guess its also with the 2k damage from Sepsis itself?

[pseudo hamlet]

Does doomblade work with the Crimson Tempest? If yes - it's better for ST than PB?

[balmy condor]

yes, no

[pseudo hamlet]

thanks ❤️

[pliant apex]

heh whisp maybe he thinks youre girl too lol

[balmy condor]

[gray fjord]

uwu

[balmy condor]

don't ambush unless you have a blindside proc

[pale plank]

Well it’s time to farm that doom blade leggo

[knotty sparrow]

Doomblade for breakfast doomblade for lunch

Zoldycks in the bed

[pseudo hamlet]

you meant my heart in the "thanks" message? lol

[cold sparrow]

oh ok, I thought I should also use Ambush from Sepsis

but I guess its the same matter with opening with either Ambush/Mut during stealh MA

[knotty sparrow]

You can ambush sepsis just fine

Right? It’s still free isn’t it

[balmy condor]

it is not

[knotty sparrow]

Oh nvm then

[pale plank]

Can u farm the doomblade infinitely in torghast? Or is it like a one time per mortregar level type thing?

[knotty sparrow]

You get it guaranteed if you beat layer 3+

[balmy condor]

you can farm it

[pale plank]

Oh

[balmy condor]

not true

[gray fjord]

You can farm it infinitely, yes. You can also use Layer 3 Twisting Corridors if Mort'regar isn't up. Just enter/reset over and over until you get Mort'regar to show up (I forget what is active this week for regular wings)

[cold sparrow]

I assume you want the Mut to crit because of Bleed dmg from Doomblade and the additional CP AND chance for free Ambush from BS

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[knotty sparrow]

Wait really? I thought all torghast leggo were guaranteed

[balmy condor]

they are high drop rate, but not guaranteed

[cold sparrow]

yea thats why I was so confused to why not to use Ambush from the Sepsis proc

[knotty sparrow]

Huh mob

[gray fjord]

I've had a few people mention they didn't get them on first try, I was lucky I guess and did.

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah same every torghast and raid legendary I got on the first clear

Only thing I had to farm was MA

[median ember]

Necrolord/doomblade > Venthyr/MA for a sin in v2?

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[carmine dawn]

whisp, is it normal if pelagos sims higher ST for me than kleia

well its not normal, but is it crazy

[balmy condor]

no

not crazy

[carmine dawn]

cool. doomblade shoulders and pelagos i go

[warm parcel]

Also @balmy condor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/824408760758960189/unknown.png
From Koji quickly

#off-topic message

Idno why it showed me no gain from garr but Ill look into it too

[balmy condor]

interesting

yeah weird

[sick venture]

Should I always be using lethal poisons instead of poisoned kitar in m+ or only if I have enough crit?

[balmy condor]

doesn't really matter

they're both good

[sick venture]

Aight thanks

[warm parcel]

So in councils case youd wanna keep up both

Seems one doesnt give you anything

[balmy condor]

yeah probably

[warm parcel]

And both suddenly pumps it up a lot

[balmy condor]

isn't it the other way

[warm parcel]

My guess is this is cause of the mutis you gotta spend to poison the 2nd

And with only one dot it doesnt regen you enough to overcome the lost autos/mut