Yeah and Youtube influencers
#assassination
limber lion
balmy condor
The same as normal
zealous marsh
Same as talent ma
hasty siren
Dumb follow up question/refresher. What is the MA opener?
drifting cloud
zealous marsh
Hey stuck it in the pins
So we can just emote it
Mut snd mut
Then garote flag rupture vend
I personally do mut till 4 cp then vanish envenom mut envenom
But might be wrong
Ceverion is better at this
limber lion
Where's the Shiv my home boy?
zealous marsh
Forgot
balmy condor
The real question should be
zealous marsh
Shiv after vendetta
hasty siren
So for M+ trash replace mut with FoK?
limber lion
So for M+ trash replace mut with FoK?
For 4+ targets
hasty siren
Got it. Thank you!
balmy condor
Like I COULD make a pin about every question in existence
Or
And hear me out on this
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
Yeh but Diet Kojiyama-sama, you can't farm messages by only sending one message
zealous marsh
Couldn’t help myself
limber lion
It's much better to say the same thing in 9 messages instead
That's how Guy got to 300k
zealous marsh
Sorry 
limber lion
We're Guy-stans here, dw
zealous marsh
I wanted to help for once
stoic needle
So for M+ trash replace mut with FoK?
Well the multitarget opener is a bit different, that's 3x garrotte fok ct, fok into ruptures. After the first or 2nd rupture you can put up SnD if it's less than 6 targets
clever niche
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fp9zvVYYj3ujyfyCjzKAQy
After farming and upgrading a 220 weapon RNGsus blessed me with a 226
balmy condor
Nice
zealous marsh
worldly sedge
hand over the 226 weapon and nobody gets hurt 🗡️
clever niche
🗡️ come and get it
worldly sedge
shit he has a 226 dagger run
limber lion
Jk, my dad calls me once a year to congratulate me on my birthday
hasty siren
Well the multitarget opener is a bit different, that's 3x garrotte fok ct, fok i...
Wouldnt the garrote be a waste of MA window?
clever niche
it's cool, I care for my dad and he forgot my bday (3 days after his)
limber lion
Wouldnt the garrote be a waste of MA window?
Garrote = big damage
balmy condor
Neigh
zealous marsh
Jk, my dad calls me once a year to congratulate me on my birthday
That you live? 
limber lion
We like big damage
stoic needle
Nope, your auto attacks, poisons and garottes are all critting during the window, and you have time to put up 3 garottes and do a 5cp fok before it's over
burnt star
Wait. Dont we vendetta before flag too?
verbal wigeon
Hi all, im crafting my 1st Ass lego... Execute one or Doomblade?
clever niche
Hi all, im crafting my 1st Ass lego... Execute one or Doomblade?
what content do you do the most?
limber lion
Hi all, im crafting my 1st Ass lego... Execute one or Doomblade?
I'd say Doomblade
Then craft Zoldyck at 190 when you can, then start focusing on whichever you use more.
verbal wigeon
all pve content and casual pvp
limber lion
Say, Doomblade I'd
verbal wigeon
ok doomblade it is 😛
stoic needle
It's pretty excellent this week on tyrannical too
clever niche
watching things explode in execute range is always 
verbal wigeon
ahhh i dont know xDD
stoic needle
Wtb EB
clever niche
go with doomblade if you're raiding 🙂
gentle gyro
Haven't played for a few days, what are even the affixes this week
stoic needle
The question is, do you care about parsing or do you do a lot of keys
If you do a lot of keys, zoldyck
If you want to parse, doomblade
clever niche
Haven't played for a few days, what are even the affixes this week
Tyrannical Inspiring Necrotic Prideful
verbal wigeon
ok ty for the info ❤️
gentle gyro
necrotic
Ok no keys on my bdk this week
clever niche
yeah it's BDK holiday week, usually means we do guild rbgs instead of keys
gleaming eagle
balmy condor
> necrotic
Ok no keys on my bdk this week
Y’all doing keys this week?
limber lion
This week is better doom or zoldyck
Zoldyck is better every week
Time to find a new game to play this week
junior fiber
What is the best convenant if we play outlaw and assa ?
glad horizon
playing assa alt rn, how much haste should i have before swapping from vigor to strategem
spice spire
Keys are deadass being run this week? Damn
stoic needle
I did a 17 spires last night it was ezclap
limber lion
playing assa alt rn, how much haste should i have before swapping from vigor to ...
Depends on your covenant. You should sim it
tropic echo
playing assa alt rn, how much haste should i have before swapping from vigor to ...
strat was simming higher for me at like 16% for what that's worth, but just them both whenever you're simming new gear to figure out when to switch
verbal wigeon
one more question, is ass rogue any good in keys like up to 15s or 16s not super high
limber lion
What is the best convenant if we play outlaw and assa ?
Necro performs better for Outlaw, Venthyr better for Assa. Personal preference pretty much
limber lion
one more question, is ass rogue any good in keys like up to 15s or 16s not super...
Yes it's perfectly fine there. You can do like 19-20 keys, maybe even higher if you're a gamer
tropic echo
venthyr gets a shitload of haste from flag/nadjia though so keep that in mind as well
verbal wigeon
Awesome
clever niche
venthry aesthetic is awesome, was a very easy choice
tropic echo
sin aoe is honestly very good it's just not outlaw good
limber lion
Yeah, there's other issues as well like having less utility than Outlaw and being forced to stealth between every pack
subtle tundra
than outlaw
spice spire
I did a 17 spires last night it was ezclap
Gonna keep it a buck with you. That sounds like healing farm kills. That’s to say, fucking awful
subtle tundra
fury aint no meme
clever niche
sin aoe feels rewarding imo, outlaw is more of the same as what you'd normally do
stoic needle
Outlaw pumps way harder on single target than both fury and ww while doing competive aoe damage
limber lion
At least not having stealth when you open on a pack isn't as crucial as it was in BFA, but it's still pretty bad
stoic needle
Like everyone talks about outlaw's aoe but nobody wants to mention that it does really good ST at the same time with literally zero downsides
limber lion
sin aoe feels rewarding imo, outlaw is more of the same as what you'd normally d...
Ye, that's literally Outlaw. You do the same rotation that you would do, but you just slam Blade Flurry before it
stoic needle
And has long ass attack range
clever niche
i want shrouded suffocation back, keep the extra damage the 3CP felt perfect
tropic echo
missing 3 extra doubled (almost) garrotes at the opener feels damaging af
subtle tundra
i've played both WW and outlaw in 20+ keys
clever niche
yeah outlaw can absolutely slap on ST
tropic echo
just this week? or even before
cause ww got a huge buff to aoe this week
after the storm earth fire shit
worldly sedge
Doesn't feel like there's many points in current meta where I prefer Sin over OL tbh. I feel like on the cleave/AoE I still prefer Outlaw despite my gear catering heavily towards Sin
subtle tundra
but it does cause the ST is mostly short fights
arctic cloud
Doesn't feel like there's many points in current meta where I prefer Sin over OL...
Im at this crossroad rn, im unsure of what spec im leaning towards
stoic needle
What are bosses and prides then 
limber lion
If you're not doing top tier m+ or raiding at a very high level (top 200) then it doesn't even matter
Just play whatever the fuck you want
worldly sedge
Not sure if it's the right advice, but you might want to just do whatever you enjoy?
subtle tundra
im almost done with all 21s, it matters to me since i plan on pushing even higher
tropic echo
as long as it's not sub :^)
limber lion
im almost done with all 21s, it matters to me since i plan on pushing even highe...
Yeh exactly, this is where it starts to matter. But before then, it really doesn't.
worldly sedge
I don't find sin satisfying for more than 2-3 targets so I play OL for cleave and Sin for (most) raid bosses
stoic needle
Personally I like both sin and law so I think I'll play sin on tyrannical and outlaw on fortified
limber lion
There's so many people saying "I like Assa more, but Outlaw is so much better"
like boy
just play assa
who cares
worldly sedge
OL would be so much better if roll the bones wasn't a thing
worldly sedge
Imagine creating a spec everybody was happy with (Combat) and then taking it away to replace it with an rng-based spec 🤔
worldly sedge
killing spree more like
hah
TICKLE spree AM I RIGHT GUISE
stoic needle
Literally killing spree is the only reason I play outlaw
It's just so much fucking fun to press
tropic echo
killing spree isn't even good in single target sadge
worldly sedge
it's real fun but it's so ineffective now
tropic echo
but blade flurry killing spree is feared across the lands
tropic echo
does blade rush have a nice looking animation at least
stoic needle
Lmao I'm gonna try dreadblades flag
worldly sedge
i don't even think ks blade flurry is as good as even just taking the blade flurry talent lmao
tropic echo
or is it just fel rush
stoic needle
No it's so boring it's just a spin
tropic echo
boo
stoic needle
i don't even think ks blade flurry is as good as even just taking the blade flur...
? It's way better
subtle tundra
i think ks is boring cause its like you use 1 gcd to not use 2 more 
stoic needle
Killing spree is bis for 2-5 target cleave
subtle tundra
and look at your character
tropic echo
the blade flurry talent is terrible
apparently
unless you're bad
then it's good :)))
stoic needle
Kekw
tropic echo
idk if that changes based on gear etc
stoic needle
Oh I see
tropic echo
dancing steel lol
stoic needle
Idk I highly doubt 5% extra blade flurry damage will ever beat ks
proven talon
how much better is zoldycks in m+/cleave than MA lego (again for keys)
i can either make zoldycks or upgrade MA
tropic echo
there's leggo sims in pins
tropic echo
id say finish upgrading MA if you already have it crafted since you can play it in multiple specs and it's only very slightly behind
stoic needle
Zoldyck is just overall more versatile
It's better for tyrannical but still pumps on fortified
subtle tundra
man i hate this "MA is worse on tyra"
limber lion
To be honest, they're all quite similar in dps and it's usually very personal preference driven.
stoic needle
Zoldyck is better for bosses
proven talon
i see i see
stoic needle
Therefore
limber lion
Like MA can be huge and very good if your group needs it.
stoic needle
It's better on tyrannical
limber lion
Zoldyck is better for bosses
But why is it better on bosses?
proven talon
for shorter bosses MA is better
onyx wind
Guys doing m+ isnt about you doing most dps possible
stoic needle
Because of the execute damage
onyx wind
its about filling in gaps
worldly sedge
liar
onyx wind
if ur mage is bursting every pack to 30%, how is MA ever better
worldly sedge
it's about getting big dps so you can show everybody what a big boy you are
limber lion
Wouldn't Zoldyck be better for fortified because you have more adds longer on execute range
onyx wind
who cares abt dungeon slice sims
subtle tundra
well yea on bosses it will be worse but trash fights last less so you have higher MA uptime
limber lion
And you have that up for every pack
stoic needle
Wouldn't Zoldyck be better for fortified because you have more adds longer on ex...
It's good for both, that's why I say it's more versatile overall
stoic needle
But I find the execute from zoldyck valuable on bosses that are still alive once lust/pride runs out
tropic echo
keep in mind you'll get more power sooner from MA since you already have it upgraded and won't have to wait for the soul ash to upgrade zoldyck if you got that instead
limber lion
But yeah, this discussion has been talked through at least 37 times in this channel
tropic echo
so more stats
proven talon
yeah also true i guess
limber lion
And the only answer is
stoic needle
I mean the ilvl on the legendary doesn't matter that much
subtle tundra
But I find the execute from zoldyck valuable on bosses that are still alive once...
yea but what do you get? 10 sec less on boss fights
tropic echo
and also, again, MA is very good in m+ in every single spec
limber lion
Play whatever your group needs or whatever you want.
proven talon
i dont really care about otl because like
subtle tundra
or more dam on every pack
stoic needle
yea but what do you get? 10 sec less on boss fights
That could be the difference between timing the key and not in tyrannical
proven talon
since i dont have finality
winter vapor
got a little M+ boosted this week, and my sims are showing conflicting results, got Vial of Putr at 216, or a weapon at 207, both are major upgrades, halp :x
tropic echo
MA leaves you with way more options for playing your character, in case you ever decide you want to play outlaw later
stoic needle
But you still do big damage on every pack bc execute
tropic echo
or god forbid sub
subtle tundra
That could be the difference between timing the key and not in tyrannical
-.-
you dont understand what i meant
proven talon
i mean right now sub is better on average for pushing keys
subtle tundra
MA dmg on trash fights get you time aswell
proven talon
looking at highest score of rogues sub vs sin
limber lion
Yeah, Varas is trying to say that the packs die faster when you use MA
stoic needle
i mean right now sub is better on average for pushing keys
Nah
limber lion
Therefore it's faster in that sense
tropic echo
or better players happen to be playing sub rn
limber lion
Might do slightly bit less on bosses, but more on trash.
tropic echo
and/or better groups have a sub rogue in them
proven talon
what
stoic needle
I don't understand for optimizing for trash on tyrannical week
When you're one of the best boss killing specs
subtle tundra
trash is still part of the dungeon
stoic needle
Let the boomkins and mages do boomkin and mage things
And zoldyck still does good trash damage
So I don't see the issue
subtle tundra
but boomkin is the boss killer
tropic echo
i just clicked it because funi emote i don't know anything about highest end m+ meta lol
proven talon
i beat my boomkin on longer bossfights even with MA currently
stoic needle
Are they though? Because I do as much boss damage as boomkins nowadays
tropic echo
but just because you see x and y spec at the highest key completions doesn't necessarily mean they are the best
proven talon
hes 2500
tropic echo
especially when we're only 2 weeks into the patch
proven talon
yeah ty that was actually all good advice
stoic needle
Sub is legit kinda dog for keys because it can't cleave whatsoever
tropic echo
unless you know for a fact you will never ever spec off of sin, finish MA
otherwise craft doom or zold
stoic needle
I don't think ma sin is bad by any stretch, I just think that zoldyck is more versatile
proven talon
i dont think u play nightstalker ever surely
onyx wind
yea NS seems bad
stoic needle
Nightstalker with MA is actually very good
proven talon
on a boss sure i agree
stoic needle
You can Mfd CT out of stealth for a snapshotted 5cp CT
That applies poisons to everything
That also snapshot
stoic needle
Nightstalker is very underrated
proven talon
i think garrote does more idk
onyx wind
dont see how that outdoes subterfuge
proven talon
my garrote matches my CT on some dungeons
stoic needle
It's basically even
onyx wind
do poisons snapshot aswell?
stoic needle
They do
proven talon
i think so
stoic needle
But when they are refreshed it goes away
celest ruin
is EP better than blindside for sludgefist?
proven talon
oh heres a question
limber lion
is EP better than blindside for sludgefist?
Yes
onyx wind
yea poisons snapshot aswell
proven talon
do 16 targets get CT on them
stoic needle
Nightstalker isn't better than subterfuge, it's viable, a sidegrade
You have to move your character to get all of them with CT
proven talon
i zee
keen tree
hmm the zoldyck description doesn't sound very exciting. I guess it's better in practice than it sounds (to me).
tropic echo
but anyways
there's no physical damage buffs in sin/nadjia right? im wondering if going out and getting the shadow/fire vulpera bag of tricks thing would be a dmg buff since those aren't reduced by armor lol
limber lion
oh also zoldycks on leg or feet
Legs
stoic needle
Pantaloons
proven talon
nice
limber lion
but anyways
there's no physical damage buffs in sin/nadjia right? im wondering ...
Not really no.
stoic needle
but anyways
there's no physical damage buffs in sin/nadjia right? im wondering ...
Get the poison one for theme 
tropic echo
there's a poison one?
stoic needle
Isn't there?
tropic echo
i only read there was a fire and shadow one, gotten from ragnaros & cho'gall respectively
keen tree
if you happen to be using zoldyck in raid would you save a vanish for when boss hits 30% so you can apply an empowered garrotte?
limber lion
if you happen to be using zoldyck in raid would you save a vanish for when boss ...
If you know that you won't lose a cast.
stoic needle
Crossive vial
limber lion
Otherwise not worth.
keen tree
kk.. i dont know much of anything so i will just use on cd
limber lion
Ye, that's much simpler.
keen tree
agree - thought it would be a bigger gain
keen tree
yah i wasn't really
limber lion
stoic needle
Syncing as in syncing CDs
tropic echo
hmm
stoic needle
Same thing
limber lion
Yeah, he wasn't talking about that
keen tree
i was talking about holding my vanish for boss health
limber lion
He was talking about delaying Vanish and Vanish only for when boss gets to execute range
He wasn't talking about holding Vanish and waiting for Shiv to come back up to Vanish
tropic echo
oh, I think corrosive vial is the default one
so I guess it does nature damage already
F
wait does that mean it's buffed by shiv??? lmao
tropic echo
ive also been meaning to test to see if it's buffed by vendetta
plain thistle
vendetta doesnt buff trinkets
tropic echo
it's a racial
strange python
Do you get an empowered garrotte without sub?
plain thistle
it works with a white list
limber lion
Do you get an empowered garrotte without sub?
If you use Nightstalker
keen tree
just made my first R4 lego on rogue woot . zoldyck
limber lion
just made my first R4 lego on rogue woot . zoldyck
Grats 🙂
tawdry moon
I just mortregar layer 8 and didnt get the memory for doomblade
I thought it dropped there
limber lion
I just mortregar layer 8 and didnt get the memory for doomblade
Just go to Twisting Corridors and go in and out until you get Mort'regar again
keen tree
@tawdry moon have you done the quest chain to unlock legs dropping from torgasm?
cos the same thing happeend to me
tawdry moon
That must be it
keen tree
legos dont drop until you done the runemaker shit
strange python
Choreghast
tropic echo
oh damn
tawdry moon
Yep, fk allright thanks, ill do it and get another carry 😄
tropic echo
someone already tested toxic vial with assassination stuff
keen tree
and cos i then missed the one i needed i had to go to tswisted like ceversion suggested
tropic echo
vendetta doesnt it buff it nor does shiv
stoic needle
limber lion
Yep
keen tree
and you know.. we are rinsing it at this point..
onyx trail
Shoulders for doomblade? Because of raid gloves?
final ferry
Hi guys, do you know a weak aura that is just tracking bleedings ?
onyx trail
Shoulders are crit/vers . Gloves crit/mastery. Maybe im confused lol
limber lion
Hi guys, do you know a weak aura that is just tracking bleedings ?
You can find plenty of those in Wago.io or you can just download a pack from below and then delete everything else but the bleeds ones that you want
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
wraith vault
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
tawdry moon
I like afenars WA myself
tropic echo
the shoulders probably sim better at higher ilvls due to you already having a ton of haste from gear and from venthyr
onyx trail
Ok thanks folks
frozen karma
Shoulders are 233, main stat > all, simple as that
tropic echo
ah right
stoic needle
0 cost, hits like a full cp evis, good gcd filler
Hits as hard as an envenom??? Wtf
tawdry moon
For rotation is it like maintain dots, generate with mutilate and spend on envenom to dump at its core?
oblique tulip
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cYnazHsuMVr72pxgEfe3Dp is it normal for vigor and elaborate planning to sim so much more ? I see most assasination players use different talents
stoic needle
For rotation is it like maintain dots, generate with mutilate and spend on enven...
yeah pretty much
stoic needle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cYnazHsuMVr72pxgEfe3Dp is it...
vigor and ep usually sims a lot better for necrolords yes
most of the logs you are seeing are from venthyr, for which ds/bs sims better
trust the sim 
tropic echo
yeah pretty much
if im reading this right, bag of tricks & 5 cp envenom have the same attack power scaling but bag also gets added scaling from versatility
oblique tulip
huh okay, only ep is 250 increase for me
tawdry moon
Im making assassination as an alt for feral, to potentially main after the buffs since it has a somewhat simelar look to it and its should provide more to a raid
icy crater
Anyone doing anything special for opener on council when attendant doesn't die before it reaches boss?
stoic needle
also god damn you sim high for a necro at that ilvl 
tawdry moon
I gotta say assassination looks very cool
stoic needle
oh nvm thats dslice
oblique tulip
omg
stoic needle
idk man, feral seems to be just the better sin rogue
oblique tulip
yikes
stoic needle
druids have more raid utility than rogues, but worse defensives i guess
stoic needle
and feral does similar single target to sin atm
tawdry moon
Assassin is now topping feral, and it has an execute and an immunity
native lynx
higher I think
stoic needle
and you guys have snapshotting 😩 i wish
icy crater
yeah but feral can spec boomkin if it needs to so its WAY better
stoic needle
owlweaving should still be more dps than sin no?
tropic echo
it has a magic immunity :^)
tawdry moon
The thing with feral is, what it brings in roar and brez is minimal and boomkins also bring innervate on top of that
tropic echo
very important distinction to make when you need immunes for sinseekers lol
oblique tulip
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ahV37butNeZaJGPsYJ69SY alright, on single target looks like standard build is better for me
old depot
I have 7k soul ash. I'm interested in assassin, which sin specific legendary should I 1 shot or should I make 2 if it's a spec that requires multiple leggos
stoic needle
and yet that's still another roar and brez over rogue
tawdry moon
Well yeah an immunity to magic, but you can clear arti traps at least
icy crater
so can dks on a 1 minute cd
tropic echo
yeah i rolled rogue specifically because my guild was having issues on arti on their alt night
stoic needle
if you are having arti issues rogue is kinda the wrong class to fix those
youd be better off with a dk or warrior
tropic echo
and also because rogue is fun
tawdry moon
Oh we dont, its just an example
I mean I play what I like the most and I can get away with it now
tropic echo
how is warrior gonna fix traps 
icy crater
bladestorm eats melees
tawdry moon
But I dont like feral in M+ and assassination looks good
stoic needle
that's fair
tawdry moon
For raid I mean
tropic echo
i guess if you wanted to intentionally not spec ravager to soak lol
tawdry moon
And then I can gho outlaw to push high keys
wary ice
i guess if you wanted to intentionally not spec ravager to soak lol
fury cant spec ravager
stoic needle
i mean, sin is a ton of fun. i just feel like feral brings more to raid 😛
icy crater
I always go outlaw for m+
tropic echo
what's fury
icy crater
my assa damage is so fkn bad in dungeons
wary ice
the better spec currently
tropic echo
eat me
cobalt flame
And more fun spec currently
tropic echo
aren't they both about equal in nath anyways
woven needle
I use both sin and outlaw for m+ both are good tbh
tawdry moon
Yeah my issue on feral atm is doing my 19's takes too long with being so bad in the meta
icy crater
arms 
tawdry moon
And if I do time a key and do 20% less damage it feels bad
stoic needle
its wild that arms is like
tawdry moon
The only invites I get are because people think im boomy
stoic needle
on paper, the perfect spec for nathria
but its dogshit
like arms should be #1 dps on sire
its literally condemn: the condemning
keen tree
if you use zoldyk in raid should you take crimson temptest talent and use that in last 30%?
wary ice
if you use zoldyk in raid should you take crimson temptest talent and use that i...
you wouldnt take ct for ST damage
stoic needle
if you use zoldyk in raid should you take crimson temptest talent and use that i...
only for huntsman
tawdry moon
Youre not selling me tho guys, shouldnt you be on the rogue bandwagon 😂
wary ice
but if you have CT; you use it in st if that makes sense
icy crater
I'm honestly worried that blizzard will think they overbuffed assa
I mean it fucking pumps boss dmg and spriest should be getting nerfed
cobalt flame
Nah they will buff assa again 
tropic echo
its literally condemn: the condemning
arms will be forever undertuned to avoid the ToS disaster of arms actually being good at something pve related
wary ice
honestly assa isnt that good
tawdry moon
The way they are buffing it is worrying, just stacking general buffs
keen tree
i dont know why you would be worried.. look at windwalker.. they nerfed it and then buffed it again 🙂
wary ice
Our parses just look great cause of kill times
stoic needle
praying for more cracked out borrowed power in 9.1 
stoic needle
i dont know why you would be worried.. look at windwalker.. they nerfed it and t...
because blizzard historically hates rogues
tawdry moon
They loved them for a long time I thought
uneven hamlet
Our parses are kinda low that what they should be, only a few ppl are playing assa
stoic needle
Our parses just look great cause of kill times
i dont really think thats true, sin is one of the best single target specs right now regardless of kill time
tawdry moon
Maybe its because I come from feral 😄
uneven hamlet
Even sub has more logs up than assa rn
wary ice
i dont really think thats true, sin is one of the best single target specs right...
Not arguing that
tropic echo
is it better than mage tho
keen tree
man now i wish id made doomblade instaed of zoldyck
cobalt flame
Just give me shrouded suffocation back and I can die happy 
tropic echo
wary ice
But we're not ahead of the bigger classes
icy crater
on st?
stoic needle
thats true
wary ice
a lot of our high placements on bosses are just cause bosses die as 2nd/3rd vendetta finishes
tropic echo
on st
keen tree
lol
wary ice
Like assa's ina really good spot rn; but we're not busted by any means
tropic echo
isn't zoldyck the best leggo for sire prog
tawdry moon
Yeah its not busted, it only single target as well and minimal utility
icy crater
spreist feral and assa are well above everyone else in ST
tropic echo
a lot of people seem to be struggling on heroic sire id hate to see what mythic is like lol
keen tree
im doing hc clear and my goal is simply to do well enough to get a raid invite in 9.1
tawdry moon
Blizz will probably be happy with the situation as rogue is popular as an archtype or class w/e
wary ice
isn't zoldyck the best leggo for sire prog
it puts damage into p3 which is where damage matters the most
keen tree
@tropic echo heroic sire is much easier now
tropic echo
im doing hc clear and my goal is simply to do well enough to get a raid invite i...
reroll priest or boomy
you'll get an invite everywhere
cobalt flame
Once u kill SLG, denathrius mythic is chill.
stoic needle
its just scary to be on the top end of the dps charts
wary ice
<@!113494903111073792> heroic sire is much easier now
the health nerf fucked our timings in p1 :^(
tropic echo
well
stoic needle
because its very easy to be considered an outlier
tropic echo
mythic SLG just got a massive nerf
tawdry moon
Feral deserves its niche as well as top single dps
tropic echo
so idk about that anymore
keen tree
@tropic echo im 221 boomie main.. but shock of all shocks.. ilove my rogue and am moving to rogue main
tawdry moon
Yeah slg and sludge both, were on sludge now not sure if pog tho
tropic echo
im tempted to roll boomy just because it seems like a really easy way to put out massive numbers
tawdry moon
I tried boomi, and it would be so easy for me to switch but I dont like it, maybe I dont like ranged either tho
icy crater
Dim, how did your council prog go? We got last guy to 33% in under 35 pulls
tropic echo
fire mage is extremely punishing if u fuck up in any way lol
tawdry moon
Its a silly spec
cobalt flame
We are going for first rekill of slg and denathrius since we killed it 3 weeks ago. That will be pain 
icy crater
trying to get an idea of how hard the last part is
keen tree
@tawdry moon are you telling me being a lazer beam casting very fat chicken is silly? I'm not sure i can take anything more you asy serioulsy 🙂
stable arch
i did already 20m+ that can drop daggers.. here i am. what can i do 😦
tawdry moon
Thats nice prog, after we got to that stage it was a pretty easy kill the next night. My guild tho is new and we just got a raidleader mid council so we did 110 pulls
The roster isnt big yet either
tawdry moon
Hm during and finished after I think
icy crater
ah ic
brazen pond
<@!241256670611636225> Controversial I know 😄
Careful, those Doomchickens might come for ya
wary ice
i did already 20m+ that can drop daggers.. here i am. what can i do 😦
pvp for 200's
icy crater
we're doing that too and killing it during dance
tawdry moon
Then its just the point of staying calm with all the adds and do the mechanics as you did before
keen tree
we are watching #boycottKFC
stable arch
i hate pvp tbh
stable arch
😄 yeah prolly
cobalt flame
The worst part of last phase on council is the endless stream of attendants
tawdry moon
Nuke down Nik, let boomis passivly cleave the adds, if youre focussing small adds thats an issue
wary ice
dagger farming is a pita tbh
icy crater
well we only have 1 boomie
so we grip and kill all at 1 point
and it helps not having 50 fucking enraged idiots up throwing shit at you
tawdry moon
Yeah, and the slower you push phases, allthough sometimes you should maybe break damage on stavros just before he dies to get 1 more attended
icy crater
When we were just passively damaging we just died to waiters honestly
but the pull where we aoe gripped and nuked them was out best pull
tawdry moon
Hm its a rough phase, we had two boomies
icy crater
yeah we hold for a 1% attendant spawn
tawdry moon
But the longer you take the more waiters you get
stoic needle
i did already 20m+ that can drop daggers.. here i am. what can i do 😦
pvp
icy crater
then nuke and kill
cobalt flame
During prog we were always waiting for the attendant before killing stavros
Just to have more bl uptime on nik
quasi steppe
How's sin compared to outlaw and sub in m+?
stoic needle
How's sin compared to outlaw and sub in m+?
better than sub, lower damage and utility than outlaw but still viable
icy crater
If we kill it tonight I'm going to be so stoked
tawdry moon
35 pulls on 30 procent is very promising
icy crater
We also merged like a month ago or so
quasi steppe
better than sub, lower damage and utility than outlaw but still viable
like bis leggo then? zoldyck or doomblade?
icy crater
took all the good ppl from 2 guilds and made 1 good one
tawdry moon
You got this, if you have a good plan and everyone is on the same page I'd say start prepping sludge 😄
Nice
stoic needle
like bis leggo then? zoldyck or doomblade?
zoldyck or MA for m+
tawdry moon
Everyone is getting along?
agile geode
I have a problem. I main sin as outlaw but im venthyr and i have to progress on stone legion what do you suggest? Play as outlaw or sin?
cobalt flame
And sludge is basically playing first 1 minute of fight 4 times 
stoic needle
I have a problem. I main sin as outlaw but im venthyr and i have to progress on ...
probably go outlaw
icy crater
I'm really hoping for CE this tier, but honestly 9.1 will be fucking sick with this new team, actually starting a new tier with a decent guild will be nice.
stoic needle
unless your raid has 3 boomkins and 3 hunters in which case you could get away with sin for the boss damnage
icy crater
We're also 2 night 6hrs a week
stoic needle
I'm really hoping for CE this tier, but honestly 9.1 will be fucking sick with t...
the dream
tawdry moon
Yeah with more stuff on the floor, luckily sludge is a short fight.. council dance was zo zzz after a while 😛
agile geode
Ill give a try to outlaw then
tawdry moon
9.1 is still a long while away
icy crater
actually you want to know a tilter?
tawdry moon
I think even we can get it 😂
icy crater
Our timings are such that I get thrill seeker proc during dance macabre
icy crater
its good on dany
tawdry moon
Haha
icy crater
I'll have zold crafted by the time we get there.
icy crater
No but I've been raiding with the 4 other guys I'm with since legion
tawdry moon
Ah cool, first CE tier then potentially 😄
icy crater
This is the first tier we actually all raided together
tawdry moon
Its my first tier mythic
icy crater
We got a med student, nurse, and 2 other stem field guys
so school and stuff was just
too hard to work around getting raid times for everyone that worked
edgy notch
we go for doomblade on hands because of the slg shoulders right ?
tawdry moon
Understandable yeah
cobalt flame
How much do i miss if i crafted shoulders. I have crit haste 226 hands so seemed like a waste since there is no guarantee i will get slg mythic shoulders.
mortal phoenix
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
icy crater
How much do i miss if i crafted shoulders. I have crit haste 226 hands so seemed...
Not much.
Especially if you won't get the shoulders
cobalt flame
I mean, maybe next tier there will be higher ilvl hands :p
stoic needle
How much do i miss if i crafted shoulders. I have crit haste 226 hands so seemed...
~30+ dps
cobalt flame
And since we already killed denathrius i can afford to lose some dps
Will craft the hands eventually anyways when i have soul ash for that i guess
Nothing else to craft
icy crater
How do you have nothing else to craft
I feel like I'm so short on ash
I did craft some meme 190 shit though..
cobalt flame
Idk i have r4 finality celerity zoldyck and r3 doomblade. This week i will upgrade doomblade to r4
tropic echo
next tier secondary stat might outweigh agility
icy crater
should get an MA
tropic echo
who knows 
tropic echo
MA has a dot focus?
dark crag
The secondaries will hit the %dr with next raid
desert rain
That's doomblade ma dude
tropic echo
Lol
cobalt flame
Everyone in guild getting 233 items from vault 
I will get another sheet music i bet
wet lava
Do sin rogues get an execute OTHER THEN the legendary?
icy crater
blindside talent
cobalt flame
Blindside procs more often on low hp but wouldnt call that execute exactly
native lynx
Yes, you get chain linked to a stupid warr on sludge and he charges. BAM executed
junior patrol
hey guys. How you do m+ as a venthyr? are you playing assa rogue for raid and outlaw for m+ ? i see only venthyr assa rogues
wet lava
im doing M+ as outlaw venthyr lol
keen tree
hey guys. How you do m+ as a venthyr? are you playing assa rogue for raid and ou...
currently venthyr assa but i think you can do outlaw venth no problem.
native lynx
hey guys. How you do m+ as a venthyr? are you playing assa rogue for raid and ou...
depends on the week, tyrannical weeks with higher than 15 keys might be better with assassin, but outlaw is usually better for aoe by quite a bit
icy crater
I pretty much only play outlaw for keys but I'm bad at assa in m+
native lynx
it just doesnt have aoe damage like outlaw does, theres nothign wrong with that
i raid assassin and do keys as outlaw
leaden cloak
!bis
junior patrol
it just doesnt have aoe damage like outlaw does, theres nothign wrong with that
but u are a venthyr?
i wanna do both, but u cant do both perfectly ^^ raid assa venthyr and m+ outlaw necro
wanna find smth inbetween
wet lava
with master assassin, is it better to mutilate from stealth instead of ambush from stealth?
copper sun
When playing with recuperator, does it only work when you activate S/D? or is it constantly on as long as you have the buff?
junior patrol
night fae is a good in between pick
but then necro would be better because it is the overall best covenant for outlaw and for assa better than night fae?
icy haven
@wet lava you always muti from stealth tho
chilly crane
i dont understand why always muti from stealth
cause opener is muti snd right
and snd resets on envenom
icy haven
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
icy crater
but then necro would be better because it is the overall best covenant for outla...
yeah you're right necro is better. I didn't notice ST sims were updated in pins
wary ice
i dont understand why always muti from stealth
short answer is its more damage
junior patrol
ST assa rogues are best anyway? covenant choice does not make that difference?
thin inlet
anyone playing necro assa
lament dove
yeah
thin inlet
could you help me
out with a few questions?
btw how do I sim the potential stats for legendary
strange python
i just tried assa in m+ with Doomblade (kekw). turns out i deal same amount of dps as outlaw and this is not the best m+ leggo.. 
lament dove
I'm not a big deal but sure, you can ask away here even and others can help as well
wide hemlock
if im talented into GS, is it okay to only get 2 envenoms. i could never get 3 envenoms with 5+ combo points. or should i still finish evenom in the shiv window with like 2-3 CP?
lament dove
uh so what soulbind + and conduit
heirmir with gemstone and sudden fractures (currently it sims best for me for both single and dungeon), I use this for everything
peak smelt
i just tried assa in m+ with Doomblade (kekw). turns out i deal same amount of ...
True. But in sims it’s not far behind 27dps in pins
lament dove
I guess because you mutilate on 3 targets anyway
dayum, the price of R4 shoulders went up after the doomblade buff...:)
strange python
Welp...bit the bullet and finally made my assassination lego...went with Zold...hopefully I don't regret it. Haha
proper belfry
should one use Ring or Wrist for MA?
peak smelt
Ring is more versatile
keen tree
Welp...bit the bullet and finally made my assassination lego...went with Zold......
Same. Will do doomblade in future.
safe sluice
does wound posion works on hungering destroyer healing thingy? anyone knows
celest sundial
what trinket aside from phial should we aim for?
grizzled owl
Hey
Do we mut at 4cp with DS ?
I really can't get my head around it
It really feel bad to mutilate at 4 cp
peak smelt
Trinket off sire should check sims though
harsh jasper
Don't waste combo points
grizzled owl
yes but
harsh jasper
No but
grizzled owl
I mean
if I mut
at 4cp
maybe I wasted CP
but maybe not
u know what I mean ?
eternal turtle
the sim just goes for 2 envenoms per shiv window, sometimes even only 1 if rupture timing is sht
eternal turtle
thats what my sim does yeh
grizzled owl
Okay nice
thank you
I mean often I can just compensate with either kriss or garrot
harsh jasper
If you're finishing at 4 cp with deeper start, don't take deeper strat
eternal turtle
thats not what he means
grizzled owl
I mean that's why I'm here and asking quiestion bro
I DO finish at 5-6
but it felt bad to mutilate at 4 cp
verbal wigeon
do i put haste crit on my lego? wowhead says yes but checking here as well
grizzled owl
I mean if u're not happy with my question bro just do not answer me :p
eternal turtle
i have my own similair question, lets say flagellation is about to drop, do you envenom at 4cp to get extra haste or just mutilate?
stoic needle
pretend that the seal fate crits are not there
steel bane
I usually do an half ass envenom just to stack that extra little bit of haste but it could be wrong
stoic needle
i think it's better to mut but i also could be wrong
eternal turtle
gnna go look through sims to find the answer
queen sonnet
lament dove
but then with the same logic are you finishing at 3CP without deeper as well? you can waste the exact same combopoints there
peak smelt
It has been all of 9.0.5
grizzled owl
pretend that the seal fate crits are not there
with 27% crit its seems legit ye
harsh jasper
I'm just saying, if mutilating past 4 cp feels bad, consider not using DS. Your enjoyment is more important than an extra 20 dps
grizzled owl
but then with the same logic are you finishing at 3CP without deeper as well? yo...
true
eternal turtle
I'm just saying, if mutilating past 4 cp feels bad, consider not using DS. Your ...
then we would have the same question at 3cp
he*
prisma yoke
I'm just saying, if mutilating past 4 cp feels bad, consider not using DS. Your ...
What if the enjoyment comes from executing perfectly? 
harsh jasper
Then muta at 4 cp shouldn't feel bad
thorny rose
I’m a lil confused on MA leggo for sin in dungeons. Don’t we use subterfuge and spend every global on garrotes? Does this make MA only useful for single target fights?
iron orchid
I’m a lil confused on MA leggo for sin in dungeons. Don’t we use subterfuge and ...
Yes you do use subterfuge, but you could also use you vanish as an offensive cd with MA
and that adds a lot
sync it with vendetta
thorny rose
I see. Yeah I’m nelf also so that’s why I’m leaning toward MA. Just wanna make sure I understand it before I take the plunge
iron orchid
ofc the setup feels more beneficial on 2 targets or less
thorny rose
so get bleeds going then vanish (or meld) and burst a target down with muts and envenoms?
strange python
i was thinking i should use zoldyck for dungeons but now i see u talkin
iron orchid
but it is valuable anyways
iron orchid
so get bleeds going then vanish (or meld) and burst a target down with muts and ...
you could get you bleeds up till you think it's convenient enough, vanish a bit before yout ct fades, FoK CT FoK
in an aoe situation, this feels great, because you instantly fill your cps 2 times with a 4s of 100% bleeds and poisons critting
thorny rose
That sounds like a good time
iron orchid
bonus if you are a nelf and shadowmelt then stealth to get a new window
peak smelt
It all depends on how many targets there are. I’d check apl with different target amounts. I doubt it’s fok ct fok unless a huge target count
thorny rose
Excuse the noob question, haven’t played a DoT class in a long time, does our bleeds like CT critting make a big difference? And does MA only guarantee the first tick will crit?
iron orchid
Excuse the noob question, haven’t played a DoT class in a long time, does our bl...
raw damage, and MA leggo guarantees that every damage dealt during the activation window is a crit
thorny rose
ohhh okay. I’m seeing the appeal now
iron orchid
Btw I think MA is stonger on necro sin rogues imo
thorny rose
If I have lots of dots ticking then that’s a lot of crits
iron orchid
I've still not tried it as venthyr
thorny rose
I’m venthyr but I also pvp so I want a versatile legendary ya feel. Also taking advantage of shadowmeld as previously mentioned
peak smelt
It’s probably gar gar gar iftargets live
stoic needle
I've had a subterfuge garotte tick crit for 3k
iron orchid
I'm almost done gearing my enh sham a bit
stoic needle
Playing other classes 
tiny ember
Ey bois I mainly play outlaw so I'm necrolord would it be worth for me to go assa/necro on sludge or just blast as outlaw I do have MA max legendary & rank 3 doomblade I am talking about Sludgefest only
iron orchid
probably going to do some dungeons on my rogue tonight
stoic needle
Jk enh seems fun
iron orchid
now that there aren't shades anymore
iron orchid
I think I'm going full vampire mode on friday
tropic echo
lashing scars over well placed steel when venth?
stoic needle
I think I'm going full vampire mode on friday
spice spire
Stop this nonsense lmao
sick scarab
ffs i just did a Other side 15 running dashing and PB.. very very nice LOL
strange python
Day by day...I am getting more and more tempted to go venthyr and leave NF...haha
sick scarab
i prefer NF but i am tempted too
limber lion
YEEEES ! All 20+ runs have done with assasination XD
Grats, that's huge! 
lament dove
nice
sick scarab
OP !
gray tundra
thxthx xDDD
heady rain
Hi friends,
I am currently proging on M Council and noticed my energy generation was much lower than other kill parses on Warcraftlogs. Is this due to not keeping enough bleeds on the other bosses?
These are the logs I was comparing
My Log:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rTWRFMwqxapKNn7P#fight=27&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24174591152.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240&type=resources&source=375&spell=103
limber lion
Hi friends,
I am currently proging on M Council and noticed my energy generation...
Well you are comparing a kill to a P2 wipe, so evidently the one who killed it will have more energy regen
They also used lust, but on your wipe you haven't lusted yet
It is very likely that the player is using Garrote on multiple bosses, but we would not recommend using Rupture even if he did.
Keeping garrote up on 2 bosses (your main target and 1 off-target) at all times is recommended.
heady rain
Okay that makes sense I just looked at only P2 and the other player still had generated 600 more energy than me
dull cloak
would having 1 full rupture up on a 2nd boss be worse
dull cloak
its alot of energy to dump into main boss
limber lion
Not worth it. You only get energy back from it, but you use 4-5 combo points for it which you could have used on an Envenom on your main target.
Garrote is fine because it's a generator.
icy crater
what about rupturing another boss if the 1 is immune due to attendant
and you're sitting on max cp/energy
limber lion
what about rupturing another boss if the 1 is immune due to attendant
You envenom the attendant
icy crater
ewww
limber lion
And you should not be max cp/energy at that point
There's literally no reason to ever be at max energy
Except the Dance
limber lion
Use a rupture on it then if it makes you feel better
tiny ember
Do I use SBS off cd without overcapping as assa or do i just put it up once and use it when i can't reach the boss if it's Sludge we are talking about
willow isle
How bad is to have high haste in m+? Since you have enough energy from multidots?
limber lion
Do I use SBS off cd without overcapping as assa or do i just put it up once and ...
Yeah you can pretty much always have stacks ready for when you get out of range or whatever. As long as you don't overcap.
No reason to spam it on cd though.
limber lion
How bad is to have high haste in m+? Since you have enough energy from multidots...
It's not that bad, it makes it smoother and definitely helps against bosses/prides.
icy crater
also cev, what if you're sitting on 5 cp and are about to cap energy and boss dashes away
tiny ember
Yeah you can pretty much always have stacks ready for when you get out of range ...
So put it up for the bleed effect then whenever i have to fuck of from boss I put another up and I do not care if it's sitting on 3/3 charges of SBS
icy crater
rupturing other boss seems good
willow isle
Because I don't want to have multiple gear sets. Is +-20% haste okay?
icy crater
and then building
limber lion
also cev, what if you're sitting on 5 cp and are about to cap energy and boss da...
But why are you about to cap energy again?
You literally have no reason to overcap energy
limber lion
I am
icy crater
if I dont have a target infront of me
limber lion
That's why I'm asking
icy crater
and I have 5 cp
strange python
If you’re asking for advice don’t be rude
limber lion
also cev, what if you're sitting on 5 cp and are about to cap energy and boss da...
Read your comment
thin inlet
how do I sim what stats I want on the legendary?
strange python
Kind of counterproductive
limber lion
You didn't say "what if the boss dashes away and then I overcap"
You said "what if I'm almost overcapping AND THEN boss dashes away?"
forest wing
Dash away Is like 0.5 secs
icy crater
semantics
strange python
how do I sim what stats I want on the legendary?
If you go to top gear in raid bots you can choose what combo of stats you want. You may need to do it a few times
wind nacelle
Shadowstep time kek
limber lion
You need to specify it because they are 2 completely different things
strange python
But is the leggo for assa?
wind nacelle
And then sprint after that mofo 🤪
limber lion
You should not be capped at energy at any point.
limber lion
If you're fighting Stavros, you just keep the energy pool low
thin inlet
the leggo is for assa ye
limber lion
You don't sit at 80 energy because you know he will keep dashing
strange python
the leggo is for assa ye
What one
limber lion
Using rupture on another boss is just not worth it, don't know what to tell you.
thin inlet
doomblade
limber lion
You can rupture the adds when they come down
But not the other bosses
I mean, you can rupture the other bosses if you want
strange python
Crit is beneficial for the energy regeneration but vers is just overall a safe stat
limber lion
But that's definitely not optimal
warm parcel
Okay that makes sense I just looked at only P2 and the other player still had ge...
You can see the other person kept both bleeds up on 2nd boss so ofc he should have far more energy. But yeah not much mroe diff. Your kill time is also on slower side
icy crater
So if you aren't playing optimally 100% of the time and a situation comes up, the optimal play in the first situation doesn't always mean its the optimal play in the less optimal situation
compact pumice
On huntsman you do keep both the dog and guy dotted right?
icy crater
press all cds on cd is optimal on patchwerk
forest wing
strange python
I mean depends on the boss
icy crater
we're talking about council
strange python
Which is not a patchwerk fight
neat pulsar
Why opening with mutilate and not ambush ? Plz pm me !
strange python
So you wouldn’t emulate the patchwerk cd use
compact pumice
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
strange python
Why opening with mutilate and not ambush ? Plz pm me !
Muti adds the doom blade bleed and does more damage
icy crater
obviously, that's my point.
the situation is different so the optimal decision changes
limber lion
Exactly
icy crater
so what I'm saying is that
If I don't play 100% optimally for council and I make a mistake
gleaming wagon
is 15 haste 25 crit ok for vent?
icy crater
does another idea make sense, rather than just following 1 standard rule that is apparently set in stone
and you're saying just play better and that situation won't come up
like yeah I mean I'd love to but sometimes it doesn't work out like that
limber lion
Jordan
You're literally talking about a whole different concept here
We're talking about how to optimally use your abilities in Council to get the most damage for your buck
You are not talking about optimal play
That is the difference
In that case, nothing matters.
You can rupture the second boss if you so wish, but that is not optimal
But neither is overcapping energy
In optimal play, you wouldn't do that
In sub-optimal play, you might.
strange python
Yo wtf is proc short for
surreal halo
Good question!
compact pumice
Programmed Random Occurence
strange python
Played this game for like 15 years and honestly never fucking thought about it
strange python
Programmed Random Occurence
Fuck me
wide ridge
You can rupture the second boss if you so wish, but that is not optimal
do we garrote second boss?
limber lion
Like it's really hard to say "Ok, I made a mistake here and I overcapped energy. What would the optimal play here be?"
limber lion
do we garrote second boss?
Yes.
wide ridge
icy crater
or just don't get benched
limber lion
We can't say whether or not you should or shouldn't use Rupture on the second boss if the other boss is 3s away from you and you have to run and during it you're overcapping combo points and energy
That's just something you learn to play around and make the decisions depending on the situation.
strange python
I honestly don’t get how you can be over capping energy At any point
icy crater
by not pressing buttons
wide ridge
I honestly don’t get how you can be over capping energy At any point
bat intermission
strange python
I am sat spamming garrotte in my opener for about 3 seconds trying to muster the fucking energy
But my belf just cba
clever niche
But my belf just cba
i would have a serious conversation with that elf
neat pulsar
/cast [stance:1, nomod] Ambush
/cast [stance:2, nomod] Ambush
/cast [stance:0, nomod] Mutilate
Doesn't work on blindside procs ?
strange python
Give her a good spanking
icy crater
your stance doesn't change when you get a proc
neat pulsar
damn, i will have to get an other keybind then ^^
clever niche
yep, I've gone at that problem from a few different angles and the best answer I've gotten is finding a bind for it
cause if i mut during a proc, then i'm the bad and that's that
stoic needle
Just bind ambush to shift+whatever your mut keybind is
clever niche
literally what I do
strange python
I need to start using more macros and shut
wide ridge
Just bind ambush to shift+whatever your mut keybind is
wtf i never thought of that
now i'm used to ambushing with X
neat pulsar
i already have the 3 modifiers on this one sadly
clever niche
if you wanna get fancy throw in alt modifiers on all your spells to add mouseover functionality, but that's me being insane
neat pulsar
the whole macro for my mutilate key lol:
#showtooltip 13
/cast [stance:1, nomod] Ambush
/cast [stance:2, nomod] Ambush
/cast [stance:0, nomod] Mutilate
/startattack [nomod,nostealth]
/targetenemy [mod:ctrl] [noharm]
/use [mod:ctrl] Sap
/cleartarget [mod:ctrl]
/cast [mod:alt] Poisoned Knife
thorny rose
i just want more buttons on my mouse
clever niche
jeeeeeeeeeeez
thorny rose
I got rid of my 12 button mouse and now I miss it :/
compact pumice
the whole macro for my mutilate key lol:
You don’t wanna open with ambush from stealth though
neat pulsar
ok
compact pumice
So you do need an addon for it
I think it’s in the pins
But I just use two keys tbh
limber lion
Yeah, I just have 2 different bings. Mutilate on 1, Ambush on E.
clever niche
bit napkin mathy here, but surely using mutilate over ambush for the sepsis window becomes more of a priority with better gear
thin inlet
how much do you guys sim in ST
limber lion
how much do you guys sim in ST
6953
forest wing
How big of a loss is only 2 env during shiv window vs 3?
limber lion
How big of a loss is only 2 env during shiv window vs 3?
Not much at all.
As long as you get those 2 envenom's in, you're good.
compact pumice
Muti on mouse button 4, ambush on Mousewheel down 
limber lion
Usually during your opener you get 3, but doesn't really matter.
forest wing
Ye, during the opener it's fine, hardly get 3 after it tho
clever niche
how much do you guys sim in ST
6755, think i linked the sim earlier today
limber lion
Yeh. Don't worry about it.
strange python
I got rid of my 12 button mouse and now I miss it :/
Why
forest wing
Cool
strange python
Did you get rid
thin inlet
hmm ok
clever niche
I've been rocking a 12 button mmo mouse since mists, I literally cannot go back haha
thorny rose
i got a new mouse for free and my 12 button was nearly a decade old and the click was getting a little unreliable. I swear I’m trying to get a new one 🤓
compact pumice
I want to try using an MMO mouse but I got the Logitech G Pro Wireless and I love it so much... but I wish I had those more keys sometimes