stop watching infexious
#assassination
stoic needle
torpid spoke
i always doubt
shy dust
I will not have my trinket
stoic needle
need an edit of that gif with infexious
dull cloak
we talking about infexious 
limber lion
No, we talking about our juicy great vault loots
I was a lazy cunt this week
And only did 1 m+
ugh
torpid spoke
π
limber lion
Yeah I was rocking that one too for the longest time
Got a new necklace last week that I had to grind a socket to
torpid spoke
yeah i'm waiting to socket my sin stained pendant
so I didn't pick that and instead picked stygia π
halcyon zealot
stygia every week gang
limber lion
Oh
I've been rocking 220 ilvl boots because I'm a poor boy
I went to check out the AH
And
Lmao, apparently these are piss cheap
@stoic needle
torpid spoke
not bad
stoic needle
500k on my server 
i fucking
hate people like this
now the price is just gonna crater
gg
limber lion
Got myself some new bootsies now :3
stoic needle
they are pog
limber lion
Just transfer to a high-pop server
limber lion
I think Kazzak is the highest pop server in EU
stoic needle
i just need to find a guild first
limber lion
So makes sense that they're so cheap
icy haven
socketed 226 is like 200k on tarren mill
limber lion
Hmm
torpid spoke
how much stygia can u guys gather in 1 day?
is it better to not do dailies and just go for rares?
limber lion
No, do all dailies and then fill the rest with rares.
You can get around 1k+ per day
Got +35 dps from the boots 
plain thistle
limber lion
Imagine not simming with WFT
plain thistle
ok 1s
deft rampart
Is there a pin for the pandemic windows for garrote and rupture?
torpid spoke
so close to 7k
fleet anchor
iirc Elaborate Planning is not applied before the damage from the finisher that triggers it, so something like Envenom is actually technically a little less likely to utilize the EP buff than all the other sources of damage π
limber lion
iirc Elaborate Planning is not applied before the damage from the finisher that ...
But at least you can trigger the EP with a previous finisher and then use an Envenom during the buff-window
fleet anchor
Not saying it's bad, but EP is a global mod so it's either everything or everything - a little less from Envenom
stoic needle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2c3fwhhUTWXqmPPS8noqVK tfw only a 6.7k andy
yeah i get ya. i guess it makes the shiv windows a bit burstier if you can get the next envenom off in 4s
dull cloak
AND thats the 4th time this trinket showed up in vault boysssss I think this is insane luck tbh
limber lion
Take Poxstorm
stoic needle
ooze gang!
icy crater
pogstorm
stoic needle
yeah grab that pox
limber lion
Pox is huge for Outlaw if you play that.
limber lion
i think that pax should be better than a 233 offhand
No, you need to have 2 daggers to use Mutilate as Assassin.
If you're speaking about using it as Assa.
dull cloak
speaking from outlaw
subtle tundra
i dont think so if its a dagger offhand
limber lion
Ah yea, most likely.
icy crater
I think a bis stat 233 dagger is extremely close
limber lion
Hard to say
stoic needle
i didn't get a pox this week, sadly. but i got the TOP hammer which is good enough that a 220 pox isn't better - i'm free from the hell that is farming plaguefall regardless
dull cloak
well the raid ones are all trash
ill be taking pox
Lol i have screen shots of all my Ooze rewards from vault
subtle tundra
226 dagger sims better than 220 pox for my character on outlaw
stoic needle
somehow i managed to get 226/226 on outlaw before i did on sin 
limpid quest
Hello Rogues
shy dust
Hi
limpid quest
yup
shy dust
Did you actually read the pins
limpid quest
Legendary choice:
Single Target: Doomblade > Dashing Scoundrel > Duskwalker > MA > Zoldyck*
Multi Target/General Use: MA = Zoldyck*
*Zoldyck is a very valuable option when execute is desired (Sire Denathrius)
yup
shy dust
timid cloud
limber lion
shy dust
viral prawn
Anyone had any luck with ass in 2βs?
stoic needle
i love booty
torpid spoke
can you break 7k sim dps without windfury?
stoic needle
i think it's possible
the absolute highest simming profile is what, 7.3k?
and wf adds like ~200?
patent topaz
limber lion
Ez
valid plaza
What should we put Zoldyck on? Does it matter?
torpid spoke
yeah just have all 10/10 mythic on farm
limber lion
What should we put Zoldyck on? Does it matter?
Legs generally.
torpid spoke
@limber lion troll the best? I thought orc
torpid spoke
for horde
balmy condor
ey whats with the secrets
torpid spoke
not alliance
balmy condor
cosmic tinsel
does Doomblade get extra dmg from Zandalari racial - Embrace of Kimbul (chance for extra bleed on enemy) ?
limber lion
<a:torch:776535372036440104>
I deleted it, no leaks i promise, only pictures, no links here
https://gyazo.com/9621750ef9862bd8c7ad0e1a4de62445
Yeh, Orc seems to be pretty dank
brazen gyro
Iβm surprised that blood elf beats troll
torpid spoke
prob extra crit + arcane torrent burst of energy
red mango
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
deft quiver
oil!
limber lion
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
limber lion
deft quiver
haha thanks!
stoic needle
yeah i know i'm just lazy 
limber lion
That wasn't the emote I wanted to use
I just counted that I have a 33% chance of getting an upgrade from the Great Vault
Good odds if you ask me
slender berry
i got like 11% chance to get 233 wep , im optimistic
undone eagle
If the tank pulls 9-10 targets in m+ , I usually open in stealth to garrote so many as possible then i rupture someone and then full dot CT, what after???
stoic needle
Spread Ruptures
limber lion
Rupture more
slender berry
and then the pack is dead
undone eagle
So basically envenom + shiv doesnt exist in this situation?
stoic needle
You should shiv asap but don't worry about focusing that target
undone eagle
Oki so envenom isnt in the rotation
limber lion
Env is useful when the mobs are low hp because applying Ruptures at that point doesn't make much sense
stoic needle
Don't be afraid to do 2-3cp ruptures
undone eagle
I always do 4-5 rupture + garrote
Then i do once CT
then i go shiv envenom on prio target
I guess i did wrong
limber lion
That's fine too
limber lion
Different goal in mind
stoic needle
Depends on how dangerous said prio target is
limber lion
Focusing targets down can be a good thing, it's not necessarily a bad thing
stoic needle
If it needs to die that method is fine
limber lion
Lower overall does not mean worse
stoic needle
Otherwise you're better off spreading ruptures
undone eagle
Hm aight so i just wanna CT once and try to spread many ruptures and re garrotes
Until CT Is running out i just renew it
undone eagle
Yep yep ^ what i mean
stoic needle
Refresh in pandemic like every other dot
undone eagle
Keep CT alive all the time meanwhile i rebleed garrotes + ruptures basically
stoic needle
Yep
undone eagle
And FoK instead mut
Cheers π
But basically when i have 4 targets i put garrote and rupture on all and CT then i just shiv + envenom spam on prio
I guess thats good
broken flame
Total M+ noob here <-- is 6.5k DPS overall good for +15 key? (as Sin rogue)
undone eagle
I also vanish when garrote running out to get that extra bleed
Out of stealth
Cuz i run MA in m+
limber lion
Total M+ noob here <-- is 6.5k DPS overall good for +15 key? (as Sin rogue)
Yep, it's pretty good.
undone eagle
I got around 15% haste from my gear
limber lion
Depends on the dungeon of course.
undone eagle
Is that rly bad?
limber lion
Is that rly bad?
No
undone eagle
Becuz i was playing sub and im sub gear lol
broken flame
It was Necrotic Wake (didnt use any items)
limber lion
I have 17% and it's completely fine
undone eagle
Aight ty
fathom lynx
This might be a weird question, but is there any way to estimate how much a combo point is worth?
Would it be so easy as to divide number of cps spent on rupture and envenom respectively on a fight?
Versus their damage
limber lion
Well, it's really fight specific but you can definitely look at how many combo points you spent during a fight and then look at damage done with Env/Rup.
And then do the math from there
But it's gonna be a different result every time
Remove whatever CP you used for SnD if you only care about Rup/Env damage.
subtle stream
I think that would be a good start, and roughly show the value. If you started to care about buffs/procs/fight durations, it gets sketchy fast, but generally that's a decent roundabout number that would be close to accurate.
limber lion
Yeah and it depends on how long the fight was, how many times you got your cds/lust/potion, when did you lust etc.
fathom lynx
Hahah yeah, it gets complicated quickly I guess. But maybe it can give me an estimate at the very least
limber lion
After a quick math session I came to the conclusion that I did about 1764 damage per combo point on my HD kill.
subtle tundra
das some quick maths
limber lion
Yeah and completely flawed
sour thunder
https://mplus.subcreation.net/ info here reflects the truth?
sour thunder
Shows assas F lol and sub, outlaw S now
torpid spoke
i assume shiv does not increase nature damage from all sources right? (this does not include trinkets)
only the rogue's?
limber lion
i assume shiv does not increase nature damage from all sources right? (this does...
"Your Nature damage done against the target is increased by 20% for 9 sec."
limber lion
Shows assas F lol and sub, outlaw S now
I don't think its accurate, because we have not had a week like this before with the current state of Assa.
AFAIK, it's looking at that exact affix-rotation and including logs from the last time it was active as well as the new current logs
sour thunder
While leveling it feels awful but I wanna believe assass becomes great at 60
limber lion
And back when we had Tyrannical, Inspired and Necrotic, Assa was awful
sour thunder
Sooo much energy hunger in leveling
prisma carbon
majority of people just play outlaw in keys so its going to be low on the tier list just bc of low playrate
limber lion
Because Sub definitely isn't S-tier lmao
torpid spoke
"**Your** Nature damage done against the target is increased by 20% for 9 sec."
so yes, it's just rogue's damage and not trinkets damage
limber lion
so yes, it's just rogue's damage and not trinkets damage
Yes sir!
limber lion
AFAIK, it's looking at that exact affix-rotation and including logs from the las...
After looking into it, this looks to be false. Apparently it only looks at the most recent logs this week.
Only 9 M+ as Assa has been done ranging in difficulty from +14 to +21
sour thunder
Assas energy regen comes from bleed regen passive?
balmy condor
yes
sour thunder
Coz I watch some ppl playing assass and never run out of energy lol
yet Im leveling and always 0 energy π
limber lion
You need to apply more bleeds my boy
sour thunder
I dont have that passive yet
young pebble
If you're leveling as Sin ofc you're gonna be energy starved.
sour thunder
Sorry about too much question but is there an option for auto attack on target even tho I dont click anything?
limber lion
I dont have that passive yet
Well there we go then. Rip
limber lion
Sorry about too much question but is there an option for auto attack on target e...
If you just attack with any ability, your character will start auto-attacking
dense aurora
I'm really struggling on any multi-target damage as sin in CN. My ST is pretty decent on prog but not amazing for my ilevel, but my MT is really shitter for what I feel like I should be pushing. ST parses are in the 70s-90s but 2-3 target cleave I'm in the 30s. Trying to keep rup/gar rolling on everything I can all the time, but feeling like I'm lacking snap damage on fights like Inerva. Anyone have any ideas/tips? Also can post logs.
limber lion
That might be an option though, not 100% sure.
sour thunder
Yes but I want it always attack even when Im not clicking
limber lion
Yes but I want it always attack even when Im not clicking
Uhh, then I guess not
limber lion
I'm really struggling on any multi-target damage as sin in CN. My ST is pretty ...
Yeah you should post logs here and someone should help you.
dense aurora
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TL43qcRmxVFGtnJy here are our logs from mythic inerva prog
limber lion
But generally on Inerva you want to ST the boss and just apply garrotes/ruptures on adds and keep pummeling Inerva
dense aurora
Got it. I'm wondering if I'm still missing something on ST as well. Let me find some other logs for that.
limber lion
Got it. I'm wondering if I'm still missing something on ST as well. Let me fin...
https://gyazo.com/f04c8f3fde3cc8e4a15af05d6d907e5f
You're wasting a lot of energy. Almost 10% which is way too much
Not sure if it's a pooling issue or if you were doing balls for a minute straight
But something's up.
https://gyazo.com/4b8603bb2269626a38d4bf9bbf3c536e
Your garrote/rupture uptime is really, really bad on Inerva.
knotty apex
Hi fellow rogues - Anyone tried Tiny Toxic Blade who got a log I can look at?
limber lion
Are you aware of the concept pandemic, where you can refresh the bleeds 30% before they expire to get full value out of them?
dense aurora
Yep
limber lion
You Rupture/Garrote uptime should be closer to 98-99%
limber lion
https://gyazo.com/beedeb10c478edf54bbea83253cab093
Not sure why you did this to an add.
dense aurora
in fight I'm feeling like I'm trying to focus adds too much
limber lion
You literally wasted Flagellation by throwing it on an add for 2 finishers.
agile yew
Quick question I always loved to play Assa in Raid and now that it's looking incredible again I am really pumped to play it, but I obviously am playing Outlaw for m+
Since we don't need another venth in our m+ group it would be pretty bad for me to change covenant to venth - how are the dps sims for other covenants on assa right now?
Nvm it's pinned - sorry about that
dense aurora
I've been playing outlaw most of the tier, pretty fresh to sin so I'm def still fucking things up.
limber lion
https://gyazo.com/147be202eb3e32767c3b666e3e2b7cfc
You also went ham on another add with Vendetta and everything
Literally do not do this
There is no reason whatsoever to use Vend/Flag on the adds
They die way too quick to get any proper value out of them
You just put your garrote/rupture on them and that's it
Then you go ham on Inerva and use CD's on her instead.
dense aurora
yep
got it
I think that's where I'm struggling in general, I'm never sure how much attention to give to the adds
on any fight
limber lion
You hard-swap to the adds all the time. Do not do that.
dense aurora
guides and whatnot say FoK for 3+ targets to apply poison, 4+ for CP building
potent rune
what missives do i put on doomblade and zolyck?
limber lion
I'm sure your team has the damage to deal with them without you having to hard-focus them
dense aurora
I def know I'm not optimally using Flag, was NF and swapped
limber lion
guides and whatnot say FoK for 3+ targets to apply poison, 4+ for CP building
You can literally muti both adds once, apply small rupture to the small one and garrote/big rupture on the big add
dense aurora
still getting used to it
limber lion
Yeh, just don't use it on something that dies in 5s
So things to improve in order of importance:
-Bleed uptime closer to 98% (Currently around 80%)
-Less energy wasted, should be closer to 1-2% (Currently around 10%)
-Optimize your cooldown usage better
-Do not hard swap to the adds, keep focusing Inerva and only applying bleeds to the adds. Every single Vendetta/Flag should be used on Inerva.
dense aurora
Appreciate it, thanks
limber lion
Also last thing
Press Shiv on cooldown.
You missed 2-3 casts, which is quite a lot.
empty crescent
i see on some logs rogue play EP over blindside, why?
limber lion
Good luck out there.
limber lion
i see on some logs rogue play EP over blindside, why?
They play Vigor as well. EP/Vigor sims pretty well on really short fights and many Chinese players prefer going EP/Vigor and 10+ externals.
On AoE fights you normally go with EP, like Huntsman/SLG/SSK
bright moth
What is suggested with blindside?
winged basin
why do you open mut snd mut while running ma?
limber lion
What is suggested with blindside?
Deeper Stratagem if playing Venthyr, Vigor for most others.
winged basin
dont know how to explain to this guy why hes wrong lmfao
limber lion
DS might and will sim better at higher haste levels.
winged basin
he claims you DONT mut snd mut.
limber lion
why do you open mut snd mut while running ma?
Because you want to get full value out of the 3s window without overcapping combo points.
shadow pivot
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
dense aurora
Last question - on Huntsman, is it better to try to roll bleeds on both targets the whole time or pump hard on one?
Been trying to do the former but my logs are shit on Hunts too
storm forum
keep bleeds up on both
winged basin
THANK YOU.
bright moth
Always roll bleeds on both
dense aurora
Figured, thanks
limber lion
dont know how to explain to this guy why hes wrong lmfao
Mutilate gains the most value out of enhanced critical strike chance. Using garrote during it is a waste of MA, rather play NS or Subterfuge at that point.
limber lion
Last question - on Huntsman, is it better to try to roll bleeds on both targets ...
You ALWAYS want to keep garrote/rupture on all targets that you can
Except in Council, where you don't actually get dps benefit from doing that.
But even in Council you want to use multiple garrotes for the energy regen
cosmic tinsel
does Doomblade work only with bleeds from your core abilities? or secondary ones aswell? for example zandalari racial bleed?
limber lion
On Huntsman you want to have 95%+ uptime on Rupture/Garrote on ALL targets.
balmy condor
does Doomblade work only with bleeds from your core abilities? or secondary ones...
gar rup ct, and doomblade, that's it
bright moth
And sbs
royal wasp
im venthyr and 13.5% haste, should i run DS instead of viggy?
dense aurora
Thanks guys
limber lion
im venthyr and 13.5% haste, should i run DS instead of viggy?
Probably, sim yourself at Raidbots.com
dense aurora
do you guys have any suggests for WA's or addons for tracking MT bleeds?
limber lion
do you guys have any suggests for WA's or addons for tracking MT bleeds?
You need to get yourself good nameplates for tracking bleeds in AoE situations
bright moth
I use tidy plates and increase the bleed debuff size
limber lion
I personally use Afenar's Weak-aura pack and a custom plater-profile
gilded oasis
So you do use sepsis proc'd ambush? I was and was told it's wrong but the bot command says to use
dense aurora
Got it, I have what I think is a decent plater profile
undone verge
threatplates is really bad ass if you're looking for new @dense aurora
gilded oasis
Got it, I have what I think is a decent plater profile
There's a lot to pick from. Mess around with a bunch on dummies and find one closest to what you like then make some small changes if needed
Oh wait you said you like yours. Nvm I can't read
storm forum
I use flyplatebuffs on default blizz UI and it's pretty good out of the box
small island
Whats the opener when using MA leggo + subterfuge in aoe? Using those 2 together feels weird for keys.
storm forum
im pretty sure it's still 3x garrote
bright moth
Kind of have to 3x garrot
balmy condor
yep
small island
ye thats what ive been doing
just feels like a waste of MA, perhaps i should get another legendary
storm forum
i havent played with that combo since legion tbh
royal wasp
just play outlaw in keys 4head
bright moth
3x garrote -> fok -> CT
small island
outlaw is super boring imo, rather play another class than outlaw in keys
ye 3 garrote fok seems good, ill give that a go
royal wasp
to each his own i guess
bright moth
Has better value when bleeds are already up and can vanish as all your bleeds and poisons will crit for the duration
royal wasp
from outlaw to sin feels so slow and like i have nothign to do lol
bright moth
I feel the exact opposite
royal wasp
i cant see how
outlaw has near highest average apm in my raid usually
besides DH
assass is just bleed uptime and fillers
frigid kestrel
I did it boys, i went full on pleb and got my 70dps gain by race changing to Mechagnome
Im not proud of any of what i just typed
bright moth
Constantly managing bleeds, shivs, CT, envenom. Outlaw you just press blade flurry and continue your rotation
balmy condor
outlaw is very very high apm
royal wasp
and a lot of ability prio to worry about
storm forum
outlaw gets the most value out of having good muscle memory
balmy condor
if you aren't getting carpel tunnel, you're playing it wrong
balmy condor
I mean they're both brain dead
just in different ways
its just smashing your face into the keyboard very fast vs very slow
balmy condor
there really isn't though :/
dense aurora
also one more question - read it's good to pool energy on env up to 80 if no damage CD's are rolling (e.g. flag, shiv, vend)
that true?
Or does it matter much?
royal wasp
i mean there is but ok
balmy condor
also one more question - read it's good to pool energy on env up to 80 if no dam...
yes
wise gull
there definitely is
storm forum
the hardest part of sin is looking at your CDs and trying to resist the urge to press shiv on CD when sepsis or vendetta is 5 seconds on CD
royal wasp
you will not do good damage as outlaw if you are doing things in the incorrect order
dense aurora
And do we care more about hitting as many env's as possible or trying to get highest env uptime?
balmy condor
you will not do good damage as outlaw if you are doing things in the incorrect o...
that's just wrong
safe canopy
man i sim higher for DS but i just hate the playstyle
royal wasp
it isnt lol
balmy condor
you can do fine hitting everyone on cooldown in whatever order you want
safe canopy
for DS shiv windows are you always trying to 6 combo point it?
bright moth
Donβt think this is the place for this
royal wasp
thats really just not true
frigid kestrel
When tf was your name change?
wise gull
doing fine =/= doing exceptional
frigid kestrel
Im legit dying
balmy condor
doing fine =/= doing exceptional
thanks sherlock
wise gull
ur welc
safe canopy
no
ok so you shiv have 6 combo then you do ur first env. are you doing the rest of your env during shiv at 4 and if they go higher from a crit cool?
loud niche
5+ cp is enough
balmy condor
with DS you finish on 5
loud niche
don't go guaranteeing 6
safe canopy
ok
and say you have shiv running out with 1s with 3 cp. you env that or just continue ur rotation as norma?
balmy condor
with DS you finish on 5
warm parcel
Having shiv up on the enemy doesnt affect anything
Its literally just there to momentarily give you more dmg
loud niche
how close is the boss to dying? because if it isnt going to kill the boss with your 3cp enven, no.
Whispyr, why the name change?
safe canopy
cause hes literally our google
balmy condor
cause koji made a joke about it
loud niche
can i link to youtube in here?
loud niche
i dished out some flamin hot nachos on my plastic plate ive had for like 2 years and it fell thru the plate....
FeelsBadMan
dense aurora
And do we care more about hitting as many env's as possible or trying to get hig...
I've just been using env at 5+ with DS and not worrying as much about env uptime, which I've been wondering if that's wrong
loud niche
yeah, i would recommend pooling during enven buff, but im also not nearly the best in the room so /shrug
loud niche
fair. i mean, i was playing this spec when it was a meme so
may aswell full commit to the troll
warm parcel
Honestly theres so many minute things people do and dont that none matter
As long as you dont let your poisons fall off youre fine
royal wasp
Simming like 200 dps higher on patchwerk on outlaw than assassination but i suspect thats cuz i have a raidfinder dagger lol
loud niche
or stop auto attacking the boss
loud niche
<:thistbh:433675850974494720>
but peen never makes mistakes whispyr... you know this Kappa
willow mason
hello, in council do you guys rup/gar other bosses for the energy or full focus on one?
balmy condor
hello, in council do you guys rup/gar other bosses for the energy or full focus ...
garrote only
willow mason
ok. thanks
drowsy pond
when do u guys use covenant ability in the ST opener?
Mut > snd > mut > garrote > rupture > then use flag?
or vendetta then flag?
balmy condor
flag/vend before rupture
bright moth
Play what race you like
loud niche
whispyr, be honest with me... how much dps am i losing by m>gar>m>flag/vend> rup>m>snd
nocturne ridge
the race i like is the one that does the most dmg
balmy condor
whispyr, be honest with me... how much dps am i losing by m>gar>m>flag/vend> rup...
maybe like 30?
40?
bright moth
Wall races are within margin of error
nocturne ridge
word
grizzled elm
got a 226 cube today, but how does assa play with cube for ST? u just press on cd or try to line with something?
stoic needle
Press on cd
loud niche
get a macro that self targets, some people claim that self focus helps as well, and make sure you're outta range of healers, and always use it with lust/oncd
oh, and pray like hell that it actually gives you the stats more than once in the fight
harsh pebble
does anyone have a good blindside proc weakaura? all the ones i've found i can't seem to make work
loud niche
no, i just see it lit up and press the shiny button
pale plank
Quick question for those that are running vigor talent, when u guys get that 4 combo point instead of 5, do u guys use a 4 combo finisher or go for another mutilate when you donβt have garrote or shiv for that one combo point?
loud niche
4
also, shiv on cd, dont hold it for a cp
the spec plays itself 95% of the time, you're just there to ensure max uptime for it on boss xD
pale plank
Yea I old shiv for that missing combo, I guess itβs gonna be on CD from now on
bright moth
Mut on 4 results in wasted combo points
loud niche
^
pale plank
ππ»
loud niche
how's everyone doing?
pale plank
Trying to hit 60
loud niche
@balmy condor you doin good? how's the aim training?
pale plank
Assassin for alt Bcz I prefer it over outlaw
loud niche
oof. i hate leveling
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> you doin good? how's the aim training?
I suck
pale plank
Lvl58 almost 60
loud niche
Lvl58 almost 60
leveling < doing literally anything else
pale plank
Lmao true
red atlas
what is recommended haste for raiding?
balmy condor
what is recommended haste for raiding?
whatever sims highest
loud niche
Just find the best gear on droptimizer for ya
harsh pebble
should i be saving on use trinkets for vanish+vendetta?
bright moth
For MA single target is it better to mut or bone spike during crit period since they generate same combo points
loud niche
should i be saving on use trinkets for vanish+vendetta?
on cd, though i admit, i do use them with cds on pull, rather than instantly using with the first mut
harsh pebble
on cd, though i admit, i do use them with cds on pull, rather than instantly usi...
gotchya
pliant apex
On use trinkets line up with vendetta I think
pliant apex
Oh ic
harsh pebble
skulker is what i got, it doesn't line up with vendetta
bitter crescent
!bis
pliant apex
@loud niche Btw you put it beautifully when said spec plays itself basically, encouraging for average players like me struggling to parse well
loud niche
heh, honestly the biggest difference in play for the spec is uptime on boss and gear optimization
at least, from what I've seen
pale plank
When poison bomb doesnβt prot 
dull cloak
is there a way to sim my character with a different cov input
loud niche
bomb proc or not i'm way off center there
yeah, there's the advanced sim, but you'd need someone with more know-how than me to sort that mess
pale plank
I am trying stuff out while leveling and man itβs either CT for steady aoe dps or Poison bomb and pray for procs on those big packs
stiff fern
you can sim other covenants in top gear now
loud niche
^ oh, do that then derp
pale plank
Uff that PB proc bosses are so satisfying and u see ur dps just sky rocket
harsh pebble
how long should i pool resrouces in anticipation for shiv. Like pool till i'm about to cap, or?
loud niche
hm... im not sure how to explain that. if you pool after enven, and use muts to keep en from capping, and you have a good idea as to how long it will take you to cap on energy, ideally you'd pool heavily after the last finisher you need to ensure that you will not need to reapply gar/rup during shiv, and can spam
but obviously you dont want to let either fall off, so...
in any case, not pooling for shiv isn't the end of the world, and even i have instances of not being able to P U M P for it
harsh pebble
i've been pooling @ around 5 seconds before shiv is back up from basically 0 energy, and I almost cap right when i hit shiv
loud niche
@balmy condor Okay Google, should I be rupturing the off-target on huntsman or only gar like on council?
harsh pebble
just wasn't sure if not casting anything for 5 seconds in anticipation for shiv was better or not
loud niche
i've been pooling @ around 5 seconds before shiv is back up from basically 0 ene...
yeah, that's fairly good imo, though generally speaking i'd want to be near cap and have 5+cp
loud niche
with vigor? then you'll want to have 4+ ofc
harsh pebble
but honestly i feel pretty energy starved with vigor anyways. I thought it would get rid of that feeling. So maybe i should just go stratagem instead
loud niche
have you simmed? what is your haste? what cov are you?
harsh pebble
i'm necro, 18% haste. Deeper does sim better
stoic needle
if you have vigor and you still feel energy starved that's just the pace of the spec
loud niche
^
stoic needle
yeah going back and forth between the two definitely feels weird at times
torn atlas
<@!167090536602140682> Okay Google, should I be rupturing the off-target on hunt...
Dogs and huntsman share HP so i assume the answer to this is to keep full bleeds on both targets all the time.
It's how I play that fight and seems to be my best over all.
Though obviously someone else may have a better answer.
lament mica
outlaw is 1 of the highest apm specs in the game and sin is one of the lwoest
ppl really stay forgetting that
wary ice
Doing nothing for more than ~2 seconds ina row is a sign you're messing something up, not that you're pooling for energy
stoic needle
thats not really true for sin
lament mica
thats just not true
loud niche
Dogs and huntsman share HP so i assume the answer to this is to keep full bleeds...
That's what I assume, but if it's wrong then that may be keeping me in this rut of 95%
lament mica
unless u mean for outlaw
wary ice
thats not really true for sin
if you're pooling for 3+ seconds on sin ur fucking your rotation 100%
stoic needle
wrong
lament mica
stoic needle
theres nothing wrong with spacing out envenoms especially since it pandemics again
loud niche
osh, what's your name in game
harsh pebble
i mean i probably don't need to pool to full energy, but i do'nt think i'm recking my rotation
stoic needle
yeah pretty much
wary ice
there are 0 reasons to be holding an envenom for that long dude
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> Okay Google, should I be rupturing the off-target on hunt...
you should maintain everything on both targets
loud niche
you should maintain everything on both targets
Thanks Google β€οΈ
balmy condor
the reason we only garrote on council is because the target's immune
isn't worth the cp
but the garrote energy makes it worth
stoic needle
if you have 5cp and empty energy, you dont just slam that envenom as soon as you get the energy for it
you wait until you're about to overcap and then use it
lament mica
why do u keep upping the time
stoic needle
first its 2 seconds, then it was 3, now its 5?
lament mica
first u said 2
stoic needle
lmao
upbeat tinsel
huh
lament mica
ya he said it for me lol
grim dock
do you need multiple ppl with the sins trinket to get the most out of it?
strange python
you only risk losing a cast of flag by lining it up with vend and vanish if the fight is more than 6 minutes right?
lament mica
u said ~2 lol
wary ice
and refering to the original stamtent: 5
upbeat tinsel
if you pool for 30 seconds straight you're literally playing somewhat suboptimally I will die on this hill
lament mica
FACTS
harsh pebble
lol
stoic needle
if you have low haste it can take a while for you to get from near empty to full
2-3 seconds isnt uncommon
wary ice
Yall have some selective reading comprehension
harsh pebble
so the 5 seconds thing, was me going from basically 0 energy to close to 170 with vigor
it did take about 5 sceonds
undone verge
Seeking thoughts. I have R1 MA, Doom, Zolds. If I want to push progression sire, should I upgrade Zolds?
wary ice
if your group gets to 3rd phase consistently; you should use zold for the fight
midnight thistle
Why do you pool for envenom?
stoic needle
because pooling around envenom is the simplest way to make sure you have energy for every shiv window
and to refresh all dots in pandemic
and to pandemic the envenom buff itself
harsh pebble
ok so nother question. SHould i save shiv at all if vanish & vendetta are about to come back up?
wary ice
if shiv is up use it
midnight thistle
With vigor how much do I pool be for hitting the envenom?
lament mica
there's feral, but feral can owlweave
stoic needle
osh, what's your name in game
echu-wyrmrest accord but dont look at my shriekwing parse 
lament mica
downtime means pooling
wary ice
With vigor how much do I pool be for hitting the envenom?
pooling isnt a hard and fast #
stoic needle
yeah it depends on your personal haste % and overall energy regeneration rate
just try not to overcap energy while holding onto envenom, and envenom in the last couple seconds of the buff to pandemic it
lament mica
u can also pool before a flag/vendetta to get the msot out of it
or pool befoer a shiv
loud niche
echu-wyrmrest accord but dont look at my shriekwing parse <a:Pepehide:8182070808...
y u no play on better server get in good guild parse higher
wary ice
You pool around envenom so you dont have to pool before shiv
pale plank
I never knew pooling was a thing, I learnt something new today, Coming from a fury warrior, u just need to spam buttons
loud niche
lol
stoic needle
y u no play on better server get in good guild parse higher
i'm working on it okay 
upbeat tinsel
same
teal bloom
So in council of blood, i should garrote an enemy that we aren't focusing? Isn't it awkward if the target doesn't get poisoned from garrote so you need to waste time attacking it?
stoic needle
my old guild went poof and i focused on ksm instead of getting into a new guild
midnight thistle
Anything else like this pooling envenom, rotation wise, that would be easily missed from reading guides?
pale plank
God damn
stoic needle
if i could get some crit haste bracers and cape i could have 30% crit
loud niche
bullfango, what's your toon name?
loud niche
my old guild went poof and i focused on ksm instead of getting into a new guild
can even xrealm mythic now Pog, also yeah. this week I'm hoping to finally be rid of all my mastery
stoic needle
i like mastery because it makes envenoms more bigger
but thats just my feelcraft
big number = good
loud niche
everyone else should change. to the almighty venthyr pepe
I did give myself a black background to help tho
livid temple
@stoic needle now those are some pretty nice stats but im pretty happy with mine too π
gotta grind the rest of those sockets then im golden
devout pine
Mindnumbing poison stacks with curse of weakness?
livid temple
because the great vault wont shower me with fat loads of slots that i actually need π¦
stoic needle
devout pine
it shouldn't right? someone is reporting this in the brewmaster discord
loud niche
25%crit, 20%haste, 22%mastery, 14%vers... I'm missing 4 pieces to be full 226+
stoic needle
it shouldn't right? someone is reporting this in the brewmaster discord
There's no reason why it shouldn't
livid temple
this week the game wanted to give me a shadowgrasp totem (BARF), the fleshfused circle (i aint no mastery boi) and the same damn wrists i have equiped
devout pine
Idk it feels like the same effect right?
lament mica
ppl did experiments and adding the additional effect further slowed attack speed
it stacks
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> now those are some pretty nice stats but im pretty happy ...
that crit doe
lament mica
pretty sure it was whispyr so if u want a confirmation @ him
stoic needle
shadowgrasp totem seems pretty interesting for m+
slow marsh
Sims take into effect DRs right?
balmy condor
Mindnumbing poison stacks with curse of weakness?
They stack
balmy condor
Sims take into effect DRs right?
Not sure which DRβs weβre talking about but yes
slow marsh
stat drs im at 33% crit and wondering when drs start
spark pelican
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
balmy condor
stat drs im at 33% crit and wondering when drs start
30-39-47-54-66
Are the start of dr
And each level
silent tinsel
Do you guys use special talents for sludge?
slow marsh
30-39-47-54-66
Thanks
balmy condor
Was mostly to cheese the ma legendary
slow marsh
Good to know cuz I noticed for doomblade crit is higher than haste as long as i'm around 17-20% haste passive
balmy condor
Well crit is better for you right now, yes
slow marsh
Next tier will be interesting
balmy condor
Get more crit, and crit will be worse again
slow marsh
Sim has me enchanting crit on rings but gemming haste on my 2 socks
balmy condor
Thatβll happen too
pale plank
Lmao π my pawn addon recommend me a mace as a upgrade and went into a dungeon and I couldnβt use mutilate Bcz I was missing daggers
balmy condor
Lmao π my pawn addon recommend me a mace as a upgrade and went into a dungeon a...
Have you considered uninstalling pawn
pale plank
I am about to
balmy condor
Good
pale plank
It doesnβt help
balmy condor
Welcome to enlightenment
upbeat tinsel
you've learned a valuable lesson today
pale plank
At least the default stats recommended is not the right ones
subtle tundra
it will never be
balmy condor
Well yeah thatβs definitely wrong
But even when you sim it yourself
Itβs actually useless
spice spire
Holy shit whispyr changed his name to be accurate 
young idol
pawn aint super accurate but at least it points you in the right direction lol
pale plank
Lmao I am at lvl 59 but check out this haste β οΈ I am so thirsty for energy
balmy condor
I still think raidbots should just remove stat weights from their list of sims
Like just donβt use it
Stop using it
young idol
knowing why your stats are a priority is a much better system to follow
balmy condor
I mean sure but that doesnβt tell you anything
Youβre just doing X>Y>Z in your head through logical reasoning
Which is just as inaccurate as pawn
loud niche
I like to see how my stats are interacting :c
balmy condor
Learn how to run plots
long otter
sharpening stones or oil?
spice spire
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
long otter
tyty
spice spire
Any time papi
balmy condor
best soulbinds for venty
pins
sacred thicket
nvm am mongo
teal grove
during hunstman should you be keeping up dots on boss and dogs?
inner granite
on mythic council do we dot all 3 bosses or just 1?
misty anchor
Had anyone done sims for Zandalari Trollβs Racial βEmbrace of Kimbulβ with Doomblade? Itβs an extra bleed with ~30% uptime. 1. Does the bleed increase envenom by another 5%? 2. Is this difference a DPS gain over Embrace of Paku?
halcyon zealot
so i know ambush usage when we play BS, but if we play EP we just simply never ambush ever yeah?
inner granite
on mythic council do we dot all 3 bosses or just 1?
@balmy condor
bright moth
@misty anchor bleed does not count for doomblade
silent tinsel
Well placed steel vs dauntless on sludge?
misty anchor
<@389527598109294602> bleed does not count for doomblade
Thanks.
bright moth
@halcyon zealot I think the only case outside of blindside is sepsis
frosty cedar
hey is it worth to use a lower cp finisher if theres less then a second left on flag window?
late bolt
hey is it worth to use a lower cp finisher if theres less then a second left on ...
Always wondered about that too
undone verge
if your group gets to 3rd phase consistently; you should use zold for the fight
thx. we just hit phase 3 so i'm excited to make good use of that legendary
sacred thicket
tomes don't work on conduits?
oof.
so much for swapping between sin and outlaw in raid
stoic needle
you can change your soulbind path but not conduits
sacred thicket
sigh
stoic needle
what covenant are you
sacred thicket
night fae so niya for both
stoic needle
lol rip
sacred thicket
i guess
inner granite
@stoic needle Hey sir, do we apply rupture to all 3 bosses during council?
stoic needle
or get a summon 
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> Hey sir, do we apply rupture to all 3 bosses during counc...
no just 1 garotte to the closest one
inner granite
on mythic
polar willow
teal bloom
How do you apply poison to the one that you garrote? Fan of knives or just auto?
clear zealot
are we nadjia in both aoe and st scenarios?
stoic needle
autos are usually the best way, poisoned knife if you dont want to lose uptime
sacred thicket
i was so surprised about the conduit I didn't even put celerity on before slg pull, bottom feeder dps gang
stoic needle
i think i saw a sim somewhere where zoldyck was simming near celerity in dslice for outlaw 
or something ridiculous like that
ashen creek
thoughts on DS vs vigor for mythic sludge? starting pulls tn
balmy condor
which sims higher
ashen creek
go with normal ST sims or is one better for windows?
barren wagon
Hey fellas, so i'm trying to get my opener perfect. I've read in multiple places now and also seen on the simulationcraft sample action list that on both the opener and upon vanishing in general, we cast mutilate rather than ambush, unless the ambush is a free proc
ashen creek
vigor atm, only 26% haste
balmy condor
Hey fellas, so i'm trying to get my opener perfect. I've read in multiple places...
yes
balmy condor
vigor atm, only 26% haste
if vigor sims higher, go vigor
barren wagon
But taking a look here - the damage per cast time of ambush appears way higher than mutilate + an extra poison proc. I can see how the extra combo point would contribute some more value in most situations apart from one. On the opener, two combos into a slice and dice is fine for giving it 100% uptime, any more is wasted. Am i missing something?
balmy condor
But taking a look here - the damage per cast time of ambush appears way higher t...
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
wide bolt
But taking a look here - the damage per cast time of ambush appears way higher t...
we get procs of ambush from the level 15 talent blindside
that make ambush worth casting
otherwise mut is always better
stoic needle
@barren wagon think of a mutilate as 1/4 1/5 of an ambush and ~~5 ~~ 10 energy
barren wagon
I can 100% see why the extra combo point would make the difference in every situation apart from the opener, does what i'm saying make sense? That with the redundant combo point, ambush on the opener (so long as you cast a mutilate before your first envenom, and you will) seems to be better marginally
stoic needle
in addition to the other stuff
barren wagon
1174 ( Mut Main hand) +584 (Mut Off Hand) +833 (Mut dot doomblate) +278 (assuming extra instant poison proc) = 2869, Ambush averages 3191
balmy condor
I can 100% see why the extra combo point would make the difference in every situ...
alacrity
teal bloom
Where does that 5 energy come from oshosi?
teal bloom
Ah yeah, the 5 got me confused :D
stoic needle
yeah sorry brain dont work good after wiping to shriekwing over and over XD
barren wagon
This makes the action bars come together a bit more nicely, cheers ^^
barren wagon
it's actually 12? because it's 50/4
Where's this coming from? I think i've missed the first step
stoic needle
20% chance per mutilate to proc ambush
so technically its 1/5
1/5th of an ambush
per mutilate
barren wagon
Makes sense, thank you
rich trellis
I've seen a lot of top logs do vanish -> muta -> envenom -> muta during the opener, is this correct theoretically? I thought the sequence was env -> muta -> env
grizzled orbit
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
rich trellis
so it is better to use 2 muta and 1 envenom during the MA window?
rather than 1 muta 2 envenom
wide bolt
so it is better to use 2 muta and 1 envenom during the MA window?
you mut so long as you dont waste the 2 cps your guranteed of mut
regardless of MA or not
balmy condor
we don't finish on 4
with DS
therefore
you have to mut twice
doesn't matter when
fallow otter
we don't finish on 4
Whisp, I got buffs. That's the end of my story π€£
@balmy condor don't look at outlaw channel rn
fallow otter
I wouldn't say overtuned, have you not seen mages and boomkin and ST we suck
lament mica
idk if ww is currently overtuned, but its not like all 3 couldn't be lol
fallow otter
The comparison is drawn because we can't compete with them
slender urchin
Two 226 hateful chains to both hunters PEPEHANDS
void pecan
stoic needle
lost cloak
I have shiv on cd, garrote has 10+ sec left, I'm not using deeper strategem, and have 3 CP. Should I mutilate with 30% crit even at the risk of overcapping cp?
balmy condor
the same
sick cairn
thanks
lost cloak
Another scenario:
I'm at full CP, garrote is about to run out, shiv is up in 2 seconds, im at 80 energy. Should I envenom and just hold the shiv for the next shiv window(having 3-4 cp and 80+ energy)
wide bolt
dont think there is a"shiv window" anymore
just use shiv on cd
without capping the cps iirc
balmy condor
I mean, the shiv window is the shiv window
lost cloak
what does that mean? don't you want to make sure you can get at least 2 envenom in the shiv buff window?
balmy condor
what does that mean? don't you want to make sure you can get at least 2 envenom ...
it doesn't really matter
you'll get envenoms in if you're playing well
but you should just hit it on cd
lost cloak
if you're playing well is what im trying to find out. is playing well pooling energy so you can get more envenoms?
If you use shiv with 0 energy remaining, that seems worse because you could only get like 1 envenom full cp in
deft rampart
What does shiv affect? Is it just your deadly poison? Or is it all nature damage
lost cloak
all nature (which includes envenom)
balmy condor
if you're playing well is what im trying to find out. is playing well pooling en...
you pool on envenom
balmy condor
If you use shiv with 0 energy remaining, that seems worse because you could only...
if you run into this situation, you shiv
lost cloak
If shiv is off cd and you have 0 cp and 20 energy you still shiv?
balmy condor
you shiv if it's up
sick cairn
isnt it better to just use shiv off cooldown?
undone verge
I need to do that more. Iβm glad yβall are talking about this
balmy condor
it's like 1 of 3 conversations that we have
lost cloak
that's probably because icy-veins says to do it
undone verge
Mut vs ambush, shiv windows... there is another one?
prisma crescent
What legendary is best^
frosty cedar
what about last second of flag haste build window, 2/3 cp, do I envenom or just mutilate?
balmy condor
what about last second of flag haste build window, 2/3 cp, do I envenom or just ...
refer to this
undone verge
4th topic
regal chasm
Don't forget about what's the best covenant
balmy condor
actually insane how many people try to over complicate it
stoic needle
Or how much haste you need to play sin
dense aurora
ty for tips friends
frosty cedar
was wondering, does haste not reduce rogue gcd cause its 0.75 already?
dense aurora
love you guys, downed inerva tonight and dps was WAY higher
balmy condor
sick cairn
what about last second of flag haste build window, 2/3 cp, do I envenom or just ...
its not worth it
dense aurora
92 ilevel parse
frosty cedar
o i see
stoic needle
Except outlaw with ar
toxic quail
hey guys whats the command for oils to stones and pots again so i can import to sim?
jk i used search bar
loud niche
imagine giving PI to a fucking boomie
haste literally worst stat for them, doesn't effect convoke in any way
sacred thicket
sims keep saying that my 220 SLH is worse than 207 phial...
even with 4 people in the grp
loud niche
sims keep saying that my 220 SLH is worse than 207 phial...
are you simming at 0 other people using?
o
odd
sacred thicket
can't be right....? idk
shy dust
Itβs not a particularly great
loud niche
@balmy condor Okay Google, why is this guy's sims saying this?
loud niche
Itβs not a particularly great
but 207 vs 220? surely that's incorrect?
balmy condor
seems reasonable to me
lament mica
phial is pretty insane for ass
loud niche
phial is THAT good? or SLH is THAT bad?
shy dust
Phial is good and slg trinket is not that good
sick cairn
phial is amazing
rich dawn
What are guys simming at on like patchwork one boss
shy dust
7.2
inner granite
6600 @ 223 ilvl
sacred thicket
Bummer, I equipped it in raid figuring that with a full group it'd outweigh the phial but guess not lol
rich dawn
Thanks, just so I have a general idea on what to strive for- Iβm currently 182 and simming 3.1
sacred thicket
strive to have fun and be yr best self.
sacred thicket
Just do what I did. See Sin is good 24 hours ago, open vault as Sin, get 226 dagger, swap to Sin, ez
balmy condor
Thanks, just so I have a general idea on what to strive for- Iβm currently 182 a...
you strive to clear the highest content you can, and get the best gear
that's the strive :P
sacred thicket
struggle*
fallow otter
Phial is good and slg trinket is not that good
Breaking news, bis trinket beats other trinket even at lower ilvl
sacred thicket
so on a raid fight with cleave... Crimson Tempest... do just weave that in ever 12 seconds or so?
balmy condor
so on a raid fight with cleave... Crimson Tempest... do just weave that in ever ...
you maintain it, yeah
balmy condor
we only really play CT on huntsman and sks though
sacred thicket
I was swapping to Outlaw for some of the cleave fights and the Sin rogue was still pumpin so... maybe it's just a waste to try and swap.
strange python
The struggle is deciding if defeating your horrific rng on weapon tokens is harder than overcoming your shittiness in PvP
strange python
Please note: the use of the word shittiness
strange python
You know how you join an lfr. And there's some guy in 220 ilvl gear barely pulling 1k dps
And you think.. surely he's afk
sacred thicket
gotta start somewhere
strange python
But then you see a log and realise that they're ACTUALLY playing
And you realise how big of a gap there is between shitness and average
sacred thicket
I mean, maybe they just play cas and don't do much research and are still having fun in LFR doe
strange python
You missed the point
shy dust
Yeah and your point is
compact pumice
Tbh some levels of DPS is hard to hit if you're even pressing buttons
strange python
It wasn't a judgement of people who play that way. Play your own game. You're not in my main raid. It doesn't effect me.
The point is. I'm that guy in PvP lol
shy dust
Nah
You could hit 1800
If you put in effort
And actually tried to understand how your comp works
strange python
Yeah. But I don't want to have to.
The knowledge gap isn't hard
It's super easy
sacred thicket
strange python
Smashing mythic slg is fine
Just PvP makes me want to do anything else in wow
Or just like play Minecraft
Instead of pvping for a 220 dagger I opted to do 79 runs of mists over the last 2 weeks
compact pumice
High level PvP is the hardest content in the game though, so itβs no wonder some people donβt enjoy it
strange python
I now have one dagger
Lol
Well I have 2. The other one is just shit
Lol but it's a start
I still Sim like 6.8k I guess
sacred thicket
Just loot one from the vault 
strange python
Ugh
Every vault I've opened bar 1 was as sin lol
The one I opened as ol I got a 1 hander
Kek
sacred thicket
that's dedication.
compact pumice
High level PvP is the hardest content in the game though, so itβs no wonder some...
I have the dagger but too low level to get it to 220, itβs for OH though, but still ran shitloads if mists/PF for one
strange python
I'll have to hope for a heroic token from heroic sire tonight or maybe one from council mythic tomorrow
But considering were yet to see one of them for our loot type. Chances aren't good
sacred thicket
I'd argue that chances are the same they've always been 
strange python
Tbh I'm probably still more likely to choose to run mists another 80 times for a second one than start pvping
warped dock
so when simming hateful chain, i assume the sim keeps me always higher health the target so the trinket is always doing dmg? so if the hateful chain sims a bit higher than another trinket, in the real world it probably doesnt, right?
exotic rose
Hey guys, why opening from stealth with mutilate? To apply the mutilate bleed I guess? But then why mutilate dice mutilate instead of mutilate dice ambush?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j4dTy7uMqSiY6DwZS79GPG
old depot
Is doomblade the legendary for Assa PVP?
balmy condor
Hey guys, why opening from stealth with mutilate? To apply the mutilate bleed I ...
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
balmy condor
so when simming hateful chain, i assume the sim keeps me always higher health th...
it's usually fine
stoic needle
so when simming hateful chain, i assume the sim keeps me always higher health th...
the damage and healing ppm are separate
odd hazel
if i switch after i've switched already, does it take longer?
balmy condor
yes
stoic needle
Is doomblade the legendary for Assa PVP?
doomblade or MA
MA fits into the current meta more but doomblade works fine
just harder to get kills reliably in a vanish window
reef axle
is heavy st builds ok on tyran weeks?