assassination

[icy sinew]

Hey guys I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but I'm new to WOW and I really like the rogue class, but I'm having a hard time leveling right now. I'm in Kul Tiras and I feel like it takes forever since I am only confident enough to pull one or two mobs. Do you have any suggestions? Or is it just going to take longer due to the classes limitations?

[shy dust]

Leveling as sin is definitely the worst o the 3

It is very slow and janky to level

Outlaw and sub when shadow dance is unlocked feel much better

[icy sinew]

So do you think I should switch specs until I'm higher level so I can level a bit faster?

[royal cliff]

Hey sorry if I missed this in the pins guys-- when running doomblade in a dungeon with crimson tempest is it worth the 5cp tempest to empower envenoms or is it more efficient to just use the cp on an envenom?

[sleek sparrow]

you wanna always keep CT up ST

[royal cliff]

Okay makes sense thanks

[lament mica]

isnt it a sin only interaction for it to give additional cp or am i making taht up

[shy dust]

Yes I’d recommend it

[icy sinew]

Thank you, I appreciate the help

[lament mica]

id say just try out all 3 of the specs and see wat u like

[shy dust]

On single target you maintain crimson tempest outside of your shiv window

[stoic needle]

zoldyck is a bit better if you get 2 vendettas in p3 and one of them is synced with lust, those people playing zoldyck may not be timing their vendettas properly to get big numbers(not that specific log but across the few of them)

also if the zoldyck rogue was venthyr instead of necro they'd have done more damage too

[fallen cosmos]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[cunning needle]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/m21z/0/Zfy

play sub

use this talent tree

you'll kill one mob at a time

but you'll kill it quickly

you regen 3% hp a second in stealth

and shadowstrike is 30yd range

it's also very "rogue" feeling

blinking from one mob to the next

[plucky veldt]

do we use sharpening stones or wep oils?

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[plucky veldt]

!enchants

😦

!wep mods

[low girder]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[plucky veldt]

ty

[icy sinew]

Wow thanks for the response I'll try it out. You guys are the best

[cunning needle]

np 👍

any questions with levelling just ask and someone should be able to help out

or DM me if you need

[wanton path]

@stoic needle righto makes sense ty

[sinful flicker]

if you're running DB, would you run Crimson tempest as a talent over pb?

[loud silo]

for pure ST i dont think so

but i could be wrong

[sinful flicker]

gotcha, ill take your word for it. cause im leaning towards no as well

and sorry if this has already been asked but does DB proc of off the Zandalari Troll loa bleed too?

[indigo mulch]

Is there a way to sim a boss being under 30% hp for 5min patchwerk? 😮

I'm curious to see how much dmg a sin rogue with zoldyck gains from PI with a boss at 30% hp.

[hazy crater]

there is an option to sim execute patchwerk

boss starts at 30%

[indigo mulch]

Ah cheers

Hmm it wont let me add PI to it though ;o

I'm stupid, nevermind. 😐

[hazy crater]

well yeah for PI you need some advanced stuff

like adding it as an external buff

[indigo mulch]

I did yeah.

[indigo mulch]

398 dps gain from getting pi'ed in a 3min execute fight :X

[midnight thistle]

Does the spec feel energy starved or am I just to used to spammy outlaw?

[dawn ivy]

a little bit of both

especially if youre running DS, sin will play a lil slower

[midnight thistle]

I'm playing vigor and it still feels so slow haha

[indigo mulch]

Outlaw is one of the fastest specs in the game 😮

Pretty sure its only brewmaster that plays faster

[lofty shell]

i kinda enjoy the St playstyle of sin

[fallow otter]

Yeah the opener is pure dogshit

No way around it, facts are facts

[lofty shell]

i also play vigor but shoud prob use DS for more dmg :<

for DS the rule still applies but it's 5 cp then

basically max -1

[indigo mulch]

just increase it to 5cp, shiv is cast even if you over cap on CP.

[silent remnant]

What’s the opener?
Muti->snd->muti->garrote->rupture->vend+potion->muti->shiv->flag->muti->vanish->envenom->muti->envenom?

[charred wraith]

Ty

[silent remnant]

Then shiv and flag on coldown

Do not sync with vendetta?

[lofty shell]

its basically what i do, but flag before shiv imo

sad it doesnt generate cps

[silent remnant]

But do u sync vend+flag? @lofty shell

[indigo mulch]

No.

[lofty shell]

only in opener apart from that u pop flag on cd

[dawn ivy]

only if you will not lose a cast of flag through the fight

[silent remnant]

Aight ty

[eager delta]

sim your character

[lofty shell]

you could sim stat weight with that exact setup to see different stat values

but remember stat weight changes if u change gear

[eager delta]

also depends on your setup as well

[lofty shell]

if haste goes like 1.5 compared to others sitting near 1 u know u want more haste

[eager delta]

playing execute lego makes you want haste more

vs deeper + doomblade makes crit more valued

yeah ma is decent but defs not ideal, probably makes haste and vers more valued id assume

for refrence im doomblade with 22% haste (700~ as a stat) and its telling me crit is better by a good bit

maybe something around 20% would be good to aim for but its just back of the napkin math, just sim spam your character for accurate answers

[uneven summit]

Wait so you don´t wanna delay flag for vendetta windows..?

[tame marten]

i got 0 mastery will i still be able to play assassination

[lament mica]

[normal mist]

Idk man, mastery is almost BiS... After haste, crit/vers you know... :X

Jk you don't really need mastery. Haste all the way

[tame marten]

im at 840 haste is that too much lol

[lament mica]

no

2ndaries begin to hit DRs at like 1200 i think, but haste is prob still the best stat even at some DRs. anyway don't ever worry about ur stats and just sim individual pieces

@tame marten

[flat crater]

Yo! So im new to logs and dno how to interpret it the right way. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J4nqwDg7bcZCzKNv#fight=17&type=damage-done I grey logged this, what can I do better and why did I grey log etc? Need all the help I can get

[arctic cloud]

non related assa question more rogue orientated: if i have the original Kingslayer transmog on my weapons, does it still count towards unlocking the other mogs?

[rancid warren]

Im going to make doomblade lego next reset which part shall i make?

[arctic cloud]

gloves/shoulders probably gloves if you have SLG shoulders

[rancid warren]

Well SLG shoulder is vers/crit and there is crit/haste glove in mythic+..., but no crit/haste shoulder anywhere. Will the 233 ilevel make up for the loss of haste?

[arctic cloud]

im unsure, but the answer to your question from the people that sim n do the pins is gloves or shoulders

its something to do with the SLG shoulders being poggers in sims or something

[lofty shell]

chances of getting high ilvl shoulder vs high ilvl gloves are just higher cause vault luck is needed for the hands

its not gonna be huge difference either piece you craft it on

[rancid warren]

ok than glove it is

[flat crater]

anyone that got time to answer my question? ❤️

[normal mist]

Go ahead, it will get answered eventually

[red bloom]

just a glance since im on my phone but kill timer is twice as long as a lot of the other top logs

[strange python]

So I got the phial and poxstorm in the same plaguefall

[normal mist]

Go play the lottery naw

[strange python]

Now the only issue is that they it was an 8 so I need a shit tonne of valor

I got the trink and a monk said he didn’t want it?!

By it I mean the sword

And traded the sword to me so. Thank goodness. Never need to do plague again

[spice spire]

Your kill timer is long you also are missing a vendett and a vanish cast.
Didn’t go super in depth, but those seem to be the major hitting points.

[strange python]

Do you guys play vigor or deeper strat

[spice spire]

DS if venthyr and >10% haste, vigor otherwise

[strange python]

I simmed DS and it was only like a 50dps increase...just felt too slow to be worth

[mint brook]

Is that a hard rule though? DS sims better for me even though I'm necrolord, sitting at 12% haste

[spice spire]

As a follow up to this, you also wasted 460ish energy and 44 combo points, both will heavily affect your damage on a fight where wasted energy shouldn’t really be a thing

[spice spire]

The only hard rule is to sim yourself lol.
That’s just the general rule

[mint brook]

Sounded like a hard rule, wanted to clarify ;p

[spice spire]

You’re good, better to make sure! But yeah, the normal rule is “do what the sims say” but if someone asks, it usually means they don’t/didn’t so you throw the general rule out 🙂

[mint brook]

What's the general approach to cleave/AoE fights as assa though, as I'm rusty with the spec? EP/Subterfuge/Vigor/PB for cleave, dot them with low CP ruptures to get it going, poison them, apply stronger dots and maintain that with normal approach? Or things have changed?

[arctic haven]

enchants for weapons?

sinful and celestial?

[mint brook]

Yes

[arctic haven]

lovely

❤️

[jaunty fable]

So is it worth to hold flag for vendetta?

Im guessing it could be if you can time it for the boss to die soon after

Otherwise use on cd right?

[spice spire]

For cleave that’s pretty much it. Keep dots up on targets and dump envenoms after.
For true AoE situations (>4) you’ll use CT instead of PB

[mint brook]

Thanks a lot, may shadows embrace you <3

[strange python]

I’m venthyr and have 18% haste and I still just hate playing DS

I spend way too long spamming garrotte in my opener

[subtle tundra]

you vendetta 1 sec earlier and you dont have this problem

[loud trench]

Quick question. So after maintaining dots, the rest of the cps go into non shiv window envenoms?

And we should be looking to enter shiv windows around 4cps, then shiv, enevenom, mut to 4, enevom again ect

Ambush for blindside procs

For st only, im playing pirate for anything not M art, shriek and sludge

[plain thistle]

general rule is to shiv on cd, doesn't matter if you have 2-3-4 or max combo point

[full oyster]

as venthyr i should always wait for vendetta to be up before i use flagellation right? or use both on cd?

[verbal copper]

how much damage do they do in a key over 16?

[frigid cipher]

realistically how fast 30 renown is achievable?

I am kyrian, which is fine for OL but apparently sucks for assa

which I want to slowly transfer towards for mythic proggression. need ring and dagger and I will good to go, but Idon't want to go into the mythic under 30 renown so need to figure the right day to do so

[plain thistle]

I got it in 4 days, playing 3-4 hours after work

[frigid cipher]

hmmm, i think I like 11 renown in Venthyr, as I started there but flag sucked

so I assume 3 days is doable

[plain thistle]

it is if you play a lot, just clear raid in every difficulty, finish the covenant campaign

dailies, mythic 0, mythic plus, etc

[vocal karma]

Its easily done in a few days

[willow isle]

How is venthyr in pve in terms of playstyle? I am using necro and SBS adds fun to rotation and overall smoothness thanks to low CB generator. And torghast with flashcraft/SBS anima power is actualy fun too. How do you enjoy flag?

[lofty shell]

remember if you left Venthyr before, you will need 2 resets to swap covs (if u wanna go back to venth)

[onyx wind]

flag is really fun on single target, but not that much in AoE

also torghast anima powers suck

atleast compared to kyrian which i was before

[lofty shell]

kyrian torghast powers were also pretty meh imo

compared to the NF explosion stuff

[willow isle]

What powers in torghast do for flag?

[lofty shell]

all i saw until now was more haste, for longer

p much personal lust at that point

[onyx wind]

Yea more haste and buff lasts longer

[lofty shell]

as NF when u press sepsis things just go boom

[willow isle]

Flashcraft has an anima that lets shield to explode after expiration (duration is set to 15s). Hits like a truck with high hp :D

[lofty shell]

that sounds pretty neat ye

[willow isle]

Is TC soloable as a rogue?

[bright girder]

Yes

I did it as outlaw 216 ilvl

[lofty shell]

its pretty rough tho

[compact pumice]

Got instagibbed at floor 15, never been back due to PTSD

[bright girder]

yeah anima rng can be rough

and the affix you get matters, imo the spawn thing out of combat is the easiest to deal with

[willow isle]

Yeah, theren is big spike in difficulty. Doing so well until 14/15 floor but I had bad luck with hp power. So I had only +-40k hp (185ilvl) in tc4. I could do nothing after that. Actualy I managed to get to last, but I could not beat him

[bright girder]

layer 7 was much harder for me than 8, i tried many times on 7, and then i one shot layer 8

[onyx wind]

as far as i know its a lot easier as outlaw

as u can basically have immunity

with some of the traits

assa is prob the hardest to do TC with out of the specs

[pure salmon]

Sub can be a god in there too. With the shadow step powers you becoming unkillable with tons of free cp

[lost sentinel]

so how does sin stack vs the others these days? I have not kept up

[willow isle]

Does anyone know if you can get hp anima Q for slaying mawrats in first anima power at the start of the tg?

[pure salmon]

!bis

[limber lion]

Best for ST and in raids generally. Worse than Outlaw in M+.

[lost sentinel]

passable for M+?

[limber lion]

Yes, can do up to +20 keys.

[lost sentinel]

nice, I think i will give it a shot, been slowly... slowly... saving ash for a new leg

[limber lion]

Maybe even higher with a proper team, but usually teams require an outlaw instead.

[lost sentinel]

I do mostly raid these days but I will prob get back into M+ if I ever get the team for it

[limber lion]

Yeah, Assa is the perfect choice then.

[pure salmon]

Does !bis not work anymore?

[lost sentinel]

I wish I could get some of my ash back from old legs, that would be a nice feature

[limber lion]

No, it was removed because some people read it like the bible.

Like choosing a 213 item from the vault that was "bis" instead of a 226 item

[lost sentinel]

I got enough for rank 3 leg now at least, prob good enough, switching to venthyr will be more painful tho

[rustic whale]

fow now get the highest item ilvl then sim yourself each time you get a piece

[limber lion]

BIS lists only matter after you have all of your items at 226+ ilvl pretty much

[rustic whale]

agility is the highest dps gain then crit

haste sry

crit versa weights you gotta sim those

but if same ilvl

i have %11 versa for example still crit > haste > versa for me

[lost sentinel]

I was wondering if crit actually passed haste 😛

[limber lion]

It does after a while, quite a bit quicker if you're Venthyr

[pure salmon]

They aren't all 226 yet but I'm just under 220 equipped. So outside the chest I'm at the statting point

[limber lion]

I'm at 15-17% haste myself and crit is better for me

[rustic whale]

i m at %20 haste still goes haste > crit for me

oh and i have %29 crit atm

[limber lion]

Yeah, but there's no point in looking at bis lists to determine what is the best item. The BIS-list assumes that you have ALL of those items on. A pair of pants that might be "bis" for the bis profile, will not be bis for you because you might have a little more crit than the bis profile does

[lost sentinel]

yeah, I'd imagine stacking too much, of course, but in general

[limber lion]

Like your best bet is to just use top gear and droptimizer in Raidbots to find upgrades for yourself.

[lofty shell]

do u guys use the neck from spires ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[rustic whale]

i m using 223 crit versa neck

[lofty shell]

the azure venom choker

i think its called

[rustic whale]

yes that one

until blizz fix our mastery i have no intentions going for it

[lofty shell]

its weird how mastery is bad

[rustic whale]

absolute gargabe

garbage *

and i m hoping more piece as crit+haste on 9.1

or something like "reforge" on cata exp

[lofty shell]

i got 2 pretty nice crit haste rings

[rustic whale]

yeh i got them both too

one crit higher one haste higher making perfect combo

[lofty shell]

ye exactly 😄

[onyx wind]

gonna try pushing +20 keys today with assa perhaps

[rustic whale]

what i suggest is, don't be hasty on gearing i mean we have like 5-6 months to next patch

[rustic whale]

share your exp with us after that please

thought i believe assa should be perfect on Tyra weeks

[onyx wind]

nah i think we are better on fort

[rustic whale]

btw our poisoned knife ability is not granting additional combo when it crits 😄

[onyx wind]

yea i realised

didnt it do before?

[rustic whale]

well its definetly a bug

i remember it was on legion expansion

[lofty shell]

theres so many stupid bugs really

[rustic whale]

i reported anyways to blizz lets see how they fare

[lofty shell]

like how the kyrian soulbind actually made u take more magic dmg instead of decreasing it?? lmfao

[limber lion]

No

It's not a bug

lol

The Seal Fate passive literally says

[onyx wind]

i was playing with kyrian until 9.0.5

with the magic reduce thing

[limber lion]

"When you critically strike with a MELEE attack"

[onyx wind]

ffs

letting my healers parse a bit ofc

[lofty shell]

its so stupid tbh

same with monk class looks like everything is bugged lol

[limber lion]

[rustic whale]

since we have no ranged weapon equip i believe it should be fixed

[limber lion]

????????

[onyx wind]

i mean its for sure weird that it doesnt work

[limber lion]

Poisoned Dagger is not a melee attack

[onyx wind]

but its not a bug i guess

[rustic whale]

i know mate

[limber lion]

How is it weird

[rustic whale]

stop bullying people

[limber lion]

The passive literally says "melee attack"

And it's not a melee attack

[onyx wind]

yes

but its weird that they would make it specifically not work

[rustic whale]

we are trying to say we have no weapons or abilities like hunters

[onyx wind]

is my point

are they scared of ranged rogue in arena or smth

[limber lion]

Who knows, but it's been like that for 3 expansions now.

[rustic whale]

if you don't say something about it, no one cares

got my point?

[limber lion]

4 expansions*

[onyx wind]

no way its been there for 3 expansions

[limber lion]

It was changed in MoP

[onyx wind]

maybe i misremember

but pretty sure u could get 2x combo points in legion with poison knife

[limber lion]

There might have been an artifact ability in Legion or something that affected that

[rustic whale]

we are still also screaming about return of TB

[limber lion]

Because the artifact was loaded with stuff

[rustic whale]

let shiv removes enrages

[limber lion]

But the passive changelog looks like this

[onyx wind]

nah dont think there was in artifact

maybe was a bug

then

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/bfce2a6e14adbd363c46a725e6432415

Patch 5.1.0 it was changed to melee only.

[onyx wind]

poison knife could have been counting as a melee ability back then who knows

or im misremembering

pretty sure that u could get 2x combo points for poison knife tho

[rustic whale]

Ceverion

[hallow spear]

This probably gets asked a lot but: when lusting on 4th pillar I'm popping vendetta/flag a little bit before pillar crash but during list. Is that the best way or should I save at least flag for the dog phase

[rustic whale]

Fan of Knives is a melee ability?

[desert rain]

Yes

[onyx wind]

good point volkan

[rustic whale]

but it goes 10yards right?

same with poisoned knive

[onyx wind]

its for sure weird tho

[rustic whale]

in pvp its 15 yards if i remember

got our point?

[onyx wind]

save for after pillar

[desert rain]

No, it's a melee spell with area of effect, the other one is a ranged ability

[onyx wind]

since u need to kill enraged boss

[desert rain]

Your point is dumb tho

[rustic whale]

okay guys you would not get my point anyways

[onyx wind]

and u prob dont get another set anyways

[rustic whale]

point taken

[limber lion]

[rustic whale]

throwing daggers to 10 yards is melee but 30yard is ranged

[desert rain]

Would you say that bladestorm is a ranged ability? Same thing

[rustic whale]

like blizzard proud

[limber lion]

Exactly

[rustic whale]

but warrior does not throws his 2H wep?

[limber lion]

He does??

It's called Heroic Throw

[hallow spear]

OK so I just tb and get out 2x envenom on 4th pillar and call it a day

[limber lion]

My boy

[rustic whale]

i m talking for BS

Ceverion you are trolling right?

[onyx wind]

what no

[desert rain]

So you are talinkg RP now

[onyx wind]

u pop everything on 4th pillar

[limber lion]

You're the only one trolling here what

[rustic whale]

you are so sad bro get a life

[limber lion]

wut

[desert rain]

Let's ignore him

[normal spoke]

what were you guys saying about Mastery being 'garbage' for ssination?

[solar vortex]

So i have a question and just looking from info from somsone who pvps and does pve both M+ and raiding. My consesus after reading pins and a few DAYS of messages (KMS), is that Doomblade is the best overall option to pick up, but that zoldyck performs pretty close in raid (better in M+)..
I am a sub rogue player, so slowly picking up haste/crit pieces haste/vers gear for pve and pvp. Would the best option be going doomblade or zoldyck (already have master assassin)

[limber lion]

what is happening

[onyx wind]

Rogue discord never ceases to amaze me man

[zealous marsh]

imagine arguing over a fucking fok being ranged or melee

[hallow spear]

I'm confused now, you said save for enraged

[onyx wind]

How much ash do u have?

[limber lion]

Doomblade is the best choice for raiding, Zoldyck is the go to in M+.

If you can afford it, I would get both at 190 and then focus on upgrading Doomblade after.

[red bloom]

@solar vortex doomblade MA doe arena

[mortal phoenix]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[limber lion]

MA works fine in arena/m+

[solar vortex]

i have enough ash to get one lego to tier three, but since one would be hands adn the other legs, its a tough decision LOL

[limber lion]

But Doomblade is heaps better than Zoldyck

[onyx wind]

I would craft both 210 then

And then upgrade doomblade 235 first

If you dont really m+ then just go doomblade

Or like if u just do ur weekly +14 etc

[warm herald]

the effect is way more desirable then having 15 or whatever ilvl on it

[solar vortex]

i know MA is good for both, i already own it.. just wondering if i should only go zoldyckk for both or potentially doomblade.. it sounds like the answer is doomblade mainly, then eventually go zoldyck

[onyx wind]

Depends on whether u play m+ man

[solar vortex]

i am already ksm, so its w/e

[onyx wind]

Then doomblade is ur bro

[limber lion]

Doomblade

100%

[solar vortex]

ok tiny toxic blade it is

thanks guys!

[onyx wind]

;)

[hallow spear]

Sorry exeo , you confused me a little, you first said save cds for enrage but then said burn it all 4th pillar

[onyx wind]

He enrages right after 4th pillar or right before if u have really good dps

So popping it before means u do less damage in his enraged phase

Or potentially push him too early

Also lust is 40 seconds so u dont have to pop early to get value from it

[solar vortex]

vers is = to crit, or for assa pve i should be focusing on getting pieces with haste prim / crit second ?

[onyx wind]

With doomblade its crit>=haste>vers>=mast

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much

[onyx wind]

doomblade+venthyr sorry

[solar vortex]

like, how big a difference would haste/crit be versus haste/vers, if i just went for pvp gear and raided with it

[hallow spear]

I didnt know he enrages tbh

[onyx wind]

thats what we are here for :D

[limber lion]

Not that big of a difference honestly. You have to sim it to find out.

[hallow spear]

Were wiping on 5th charge

[limber lion]

You can just socket/enchant crit to offset the verse-heavy build

[hallow spear]

And he's usually 10 to 15

%

[solar vortex]

ok, gotta remember how to sim that... if it's less than like 200-300 dps, then i will just focus on haste/vers for pvp probly

[limber lion]

That's quite a lot for the last charge tbh

[onyx wind]

It is probably less than 200-300

[limber lion]

You need to sort your cooldowns/dps out.

[solar vortex]

yeah i mean, i already do pretty massive damage with 32.3% vers and 40% mastery as assa LOL

[onyx wind]

yea assa is a bit too good rn

XD

[solar vortex]

ehhhhh

[hallow spear]

Yeah my personal dps i think is pretty low but thats why I had the original question lol

[zealous marsh]

don't say that

[solar vortex]

idk, mage/boom/pal still op as fuck

[onyx wind]

My OL friend is simming higher as necro assa with 187 weapons

[solar vortex]

and i am 226ilvl.. so that makes a difference, it is mostly agility

[hallow spear]

I do cds on pull, 2 and 4

[solar vortex]

assassin probably aint that busted at low i lvl with bad sub stats, where those other classes can be

[onyx wind]

Thats good

What dps are u sitting at when hes hitting 4th pillar?

[hallow spear]

Uh lemme check

[solar vortex]

infinetely divisible trinket is garbage right? i was trying to farm the other one to upgrade with valor

[hallow spear]

Can't check on my tablet

I think its around 7k

[onyx wind]

Same number im hitting

So i dont think its on u much

Prob flame ur ranged or something

[onyx wind]

Compared to trinkets of the same ilvl, yes its not that good

[slender urchin]

I’m around 7k on 4th pillar too

[onyx wind]

Nah i mean before 4th

like right before

[solar vortex]

the other plageufall one is BIS? Or would like.. skulkers + dreadfire be BIS?

[onyx wind]

Other plaguefall one is kinda broken

[solar vortex]

you mean in a good way because it procs often, right?

[onyx wind]

Yea it just deals too much damage in all scenarios

Even on sludgefist its doing 4-5% for me

In m+ doing 3-4%

[slender urchin]

Do trinkets get multiplied by pillar on sludge? Thinking my dread fire might be better than my phial

[hallow spear]

Uh a bit lower actually

[solar vortex]

yeah i need to try and farm that one out..

[fading mortar]

im running phial and dreadfire vessel

[hallow spear]

On best pull i was 6.4k

[onyx wind]

Yea trinkets work

[fading mortar]

dreadfire crits 20k almost every proc

[onyx wind]

My OL friend hits 65k with shriekwing trinket

on sludge

dunno how but im jealous

[fading mortar]

prob during his 200% increased damage recieved

[solar vortex]

maybe a bones proc + extra dmg

[onyx wind]

its 100% but yea i use mine there aswell

[solar vortex]

idk how outlaw works lol

[fading mortar]

its dumb

ii tried it once

i really dont like the playstyle

[solar vortex]

you just sword sword pistol , then you run into the corner and roll some dice like a fucking addict

then maybe come back

[slender urchin]

I see. Right now I run Flayedwing and Dreadfire but I just got phial

[onyx wind]

still fine

as long as ur consistently over 6k ur pulling ur load

[uneven summit]

i did it in 16 hours playtime

[hallow spear]

Alright, thank you.

[solar vortex]

i got to 40 renown in probably less than that

[onyx wind]

renown is super rng sadly

[solar vortex]

its not hard, run lfr, normal raid, heroic raid, do the quests you get, etc

[onyx wind]

can recommend doing callings first

then raids

and then weeklies+story last

[solar vortex]

apparently you can get them fast in 2v2 pvp as well, but i tried a lot of pvp and couldnt get them

so maybe i was jsut very unlucky

[uneven summit]

pretty much yeah, save the callings, and the weekly thats 5 renown right there, then you have the questline which will give you 9 renown, and then you clear the raid on HC/Normal and supply with M0

goes quick tbh

[onyx wind]

well its not quick but alteast its not weekly gated :)

[uneven summit]

i did the switch on friday 16ish and was done saturday 15ish without tryharding

[onyx wind]

i think tryharding depends a lot from person to person

[solar vortex]

225 gloves would be 3150? sound right?

[onyx wind]

yea

[uneven summit]

3200

[onyx wind]

3200 it is

[uneven summit]

R1 1250, R2 2000, R3 3200, R4 5150

upgrades are the difference between

[onyx wind]

its actually crazy how much ilvl does on legendary pieces

[solar vortex]

hmmm should i go crit/haste on them or haste vers... probably wont use them in pvp right? i imagine pretty much everything except sephuz and MA is shit in pvp?

[onyx wind]

upgrading my gloves from 210 to 235 is like a 1.2% increase

[uneven summit]

crit/haste for pve

[onyx wind]

doomblade is good for pvp

[red bloom]

all the sin rogues in awc were running doomblade as well and it seemed to work quite well

[solar vortex]

interesting, i wanna watch those.. gonna have to figure out what time stamp they are at

what teams ran rogue?

[red bloom]

gg and unitas

[onyx wind]

golden guardians

also MA is bad in 3s cause u dont get restealths

[red bloom]

pika had some nutty games

[solar vortex]

pikaboo played assassin?

lol

[dawn moat]

sitting at max CP:
shiv > env
or env > shiv?

[red bloom]

he was griefing as NF as well

[solar vortex]

well in 3s you CAN get restealths, but it can be bad to do that

[onyx wind]

shiv env

i dont think u play assa in 3s to go for restealths is all im saying

[solar vortex]

oh interesting he did NF? he must have really wanted the extra mobility tbh

cuz venth has good soulbinds for pvp

[red bloom]

nah

[onyx wind]

NF is good for pvp

[red bloom]

necro was the play

he just didnt set it up in time

[orchid elk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[onyx wind]

isnt NF more burst

[dawn moat]

thx

[onyx wind]

necro shield is insane tho

[red bloom]

nah, necro is a lot stronger atm for sin in arena

[onyx wind]

why is it stronger

isnt it like a 300-400 dmg bleed

[solar vortex]

i dont think nf is more burst, ive done both and feel venthyr seems stronger, but necro can hit even harder i guess

[onyx wind]

ye venthyr is more burst for sure but i was comparing necro to NF

[solar vortex]

o

[red bloom]

necro gets more def than venthyr being the other choice atm

[grave cove]

necro has a juicy shield, which is great for sin since we are very squishy in arena

and bone spike can crit quite hard with MA

[onyx wind]

yea necro shield is sick

[strong tide]

for mythic sludge do you vendetta on pull, 2nd and 4th pillar?

[solar vortex]

ok thanks for the info on doomblade, gonna go check out some games if i can find them

[grave cove]

playin venth now, but I'm not the best so I just cheese out burst kills on the healer to 1.9k lol

[red bloom]

it also should be said that Wizk's combust had a lot to do paired with pika to get the results

[balmy condor]

Yes

[zealous marsh]

4cp envenom on ds is fine or should i use garrote to cast 5cp envenom

[solar vortex]

well rogues do nothing but setup for mage burst.. don't ever be fooled XD

[zealous marsh]

i feel like this garrote is waste of energy

[balmy condor]

Don’t finish on 4 with ds

[onyx wind]

good to refresh garrote and get to 5cp at the same time

[night cipher]

Not with Doomblade

[onyx wind]

garrote gives u energy back tho

[balmy condor]

That’s not a doomblade thing

[onyx wind]

so its an investment

[balmy condor]

That’s just how the spec works

[zealous marsh]

yea but when i have 20 s garrote

[onyx wind]

ohhh

[zealous marsh]

like this situation

[balmy condor]

Then mutilate

[onyx wind]

then dont garrote no

[zealous marsh]

i'm trying to find a solution

[onyx wind]

sorry i misudnerstood

[shy axle]

since a few days i got some weird desync between my (afenar) weakauras and the real timers on my bars,. The Wa is like ~ 1 or 1,5 seconds faster than reality. Any ways to fix it? i downloaded the new package again but it is the same problem

[balmy condor]

If you’re at 4 with ds

You mutilate

[zealous marsh]

to me casting so low envenoms on fights

i mean i found log on hungering someone cast ~60 of them

while me only 47

[onyx wind]

did they get PI?

[zealous marsh]

nope

[onyx wind]

what was the fight length

[zealous marsh]

mby it's habit of me changing spec and not pooling energy

[onyx wind]

were they playing vigor?

[zealous marsh]

no

same fight length

[balmy condor]

Did you look at crits

[onyx wind]

then i have no idea

[zealous marsh]

no but i saw 4 mutilates more

i generally have less casts per minute

i have to adjusts to assa from sub

[balmy condor]

Hm only 4

That’s weird

[onyx wind]

maybe he is just finishing on lower cp

[zealous marsh]

well i mby post my log

[onyx wind]

or you are wasting a lot of cp

[zealous marsh]

and you can laugh at me

[strange python]

EVERYONE LOG ON MAW DAILIES ARE ABOUT TO RESET

[balmy condor]

And you both played CT?

[zealous marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B1MFf6jJ27wRHtzN#fight=12&type=damage-done

[onyx wind]

EU?

or am i just too tired to get the joke

[strong tide]

imagine doing maw dailies

[zealous marsh]

i mean i'm waiting forever for this garrote on opener

[onyx wind]

im a mawrat

[zealous marsh]

mby it's haste issue

[onyx wind]

nah probably crit

[zealous marsh]

should pop vendetta earlier

[onyx wind]

since u only cast 4 less mutilate

[strange python]

uhh I was memeing (the joke is the maw is complete garbage nd no one is excited to do maw dailies )

[onyx wind]

and he casts 13 more envenoms

it means u are either wasting cp or he is using at low cp

or u have 0 crit ig

[zealous marsh]

well i found one mistake

at my side

i pop flag always with vendetta

not on cd

and i missed one flag cd

on fight

so this might be an issue

[onyx wind]

sure but that shouldnt be enough to make him do 13 more envenoms

[limber lion]

Sure, but that won't account to you doing 13 less envenoms

[zealous marsh]

well but not pooling energy

[onyx wind]

pooling energy doesnt make u cast more envenoms either

but yea those are def stuff to work on

[zealous marsh]

well then i don't know

[onyx wind]

im curious, maybe u refresh rupture too early?

[zealous marsh]

9s

as soon as my weak aura is glowing on pandemic

sometimes under 9 s

[limber lion]

Your opener is kinda weird tbh

[onyx wind]

how many ambush casts does he have

[zealous marsh]

yea i know

[limber lion]

But that's still not 13 envenoms-weird

[zealous marsh]

still getting to it

[limber lion]

Can you link the log your referring to?

[onyx wind]

maybe he just out-rng'd u a lot

[zealous marsh]

sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LwBM9Pnq6pvZWYj8#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=3

[onyx wind]

one thing could be you wasting vanish maybe?

[zealous marsh]

it was this i believe

[onyx wind]

like if he does vanish mut env mut

[balmy condor]

Why is your bleed uptime on the dogs so garbage

[onyx wind]

he will get more envenoms off

[zealous marsh]

could be

you mean huntsman?

[onyx wind]

yes he is just casting lower combo points envenom

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[onyx wind]

so dw

[balmy condor]

Maybe I’m looking wrong

[zealous marsh]

well it is literally my first huntsman as assa

[balmy condor]

I’m on mobile

[gloomy fern]

probably ds vs vigor

[balmy condor]

Let me double check

[onyx wind]

wasnt

He is just finishing on lower cp than u generally @zealous marsh

[zealous marsh]

oh

[wet ruin]

he is playing vigor

[onyx wind]

why did u tell me he wasnt playing vigor then... @zealous marsh

bruh

XD

[zealous marsh]

so it isn't this log

[balmy condor]

Yeah there’s like 60% uptime on garrote

[onyx wind]

yea its not

[balmy condor]

On dogs

Make sure to keep garrote and rupture on both of them at all times

Lot of missed energy

[onyx wind]

the guys ur looking at has 0 parses on hungering playing DS

[balmy condor]

You also missed like 2 shiv casts on hungering btw just as an aside

Slam that on cd king

[zealous marsh]

yea i forgot to mention it too

[balmy condor]

But otherwise looks good tbh

[zealous marsh]

i also missed one flag

and my opener sucked

as Ceverion said

but in different words

to not hurt my feelings

[balmy condor]

[onyx wind]

no man ur just comparing logs playing different talents

[limber lion]

Minor things to fix, next raid you'll be topping ez

[zealous marsh]

i should use rupture after flag i think

[balmy condor]

Yeah I just woke up, big grumpy sorry

[limber lion]

Yeah and do Muti - Snd - Muti and not Muti - Snd - Garrote

You want full value out of your MA talent my boy

[zealous marsh]

yep noted

[onyx wind]

Man asked why he was casting 13 less envenoms and ended up getting lectured on his entire playstyle

[limber lion]

But small things to improve here and there, nothing giga.

[zealous marsh]

yea coz i wasn't looking

that this dude was playing vigor

[onyx wind]

but i asked u BRO

I ASKED

[zealous marsh]

yes

i know

[onyx wind]

XD

all good tho

[zealous marsh]

and i even double checked

WRONG LOG

[onyx wind]

no worries

[zealous marsh]

btw thanks guys i'm getting used to the spec already

on next reclear i will see if there will be any difference

coz atm we are saving the id

[onyx wind]

same, want to reclear so bad

[zealous marsh]

yea man i was without guild for 2 weeks

before 9.0.5

[onyx wind]

rip

[limber lion]

Ya'll are lucky to have recleared in 9.0.5. I haven't seen seen mythic Shriekwing since Feb 10th.

[onyx wind]

I havent recleared in 9.0.5...

[gloomy fern]

saving id before coming to at least sludge is kinda cringe

[limber lion]

6 week extend going strong.

[zealous marsh]

i will see one in 2 weeks

[zealous marsh]

you can even extend this long

?

[limber lion]

You can extend permantently if you so desire

[onyx wind]

We are reclearing once we get to SLG

[zealous marsh]

i thought it was 2 weeks

[limber lion]

What makes you think that?

[balmy condor]

Lot of 2 day guilds just extend permanently

Reclearing takes a lot of time

[limber lion]

Yeah, all the way to Sire.

[zealous marsh]

someone in my new guild copied some random post

[gloomy fern]

still not worth until u get to at least sludge at a minimum

[onyx wind]

We have been extending for more than 2 weeks for sure

[zealous marsh]

that say you can extend only for 2 weeks

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

My man just wants some loot in reclears

[night cipher]

we're almost at sludge. what's a correct amount of raiding days on it? decent + overall guild

[spice spire]

That’s the giga brain move

[gloomy fern]

its about pulls not days

[limber lion]

There isn't a number for that.

[onyx wind]

dunno but we have 150 wipes

[zealous marsh]

i want ring from inerva and since i am trial i can't even get one

[onyx wind]

around 25 wipes a day

[balmy condor]

Think sludge is about 60-80 pulls on average?

[gloomy fern]

its literally personal loot

[limber lion]

We killed it in 41 pulls with our guild.

But now we have 250 pulls on SLG already.

[balmy condor]

That’s pretty quick

[onyx wind]

Would like to have killed it earlier aswell but

[limber lion]

Yeah, from a really quick Sludge to the slowest SLG in the history

[zealous marsh]

well every guild have rules you know

[onyx wind]

atleast im good at playing the fight now

:)

[zealous marsh]

if i have 2x226 rings i can pass inerva ring

[onyx wind]

gonna be unfair parsing against u guys who progressed on the first bosses...

[zealous marsh]

even when it is bis

[onyx wind]

as assa

I have to do it correctly on first try man wtf

[full tide]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gloomy fern]

its literally the easiest spec in game

[limber lion]

Only killed Sludge once myself

[gloomy fern]

wdym

[limber lion]

And that was exactly a month ago

Feb 22nd

Ripperino

[onyx wind]

yea its easy but like

timings still exist

[zealous marsh]

tbh i want to clear this raid once and never come back there again

[quasi grotto]

!bis

[spice spire]

SLG true final boss

[zealous marsh]

except mby for pars farming

[onyx wind]

also assa being low variance spec means

mf with 233 dagger gonna poop on u

stabbing fast

[balmy condor]

Honestly I don’t really like any fight outside of sire

[gloomy fern]

nah 226 dagger bois is parsing r1

[onyx wind]

yea cause noone has 233 XD

[zealous marsh]

2x 220 daggers

[gloomy fern]

a lot of ppl got 233

[balmy condor]

That just aint true

[limber lion]

I enjoy most of them myself. SLG, Council and SSK can go choke on a fat one though.

[onyx wind]

really? havent seen any when i looked at top logs

[zealous marsh]

i had one dagger from vault and one from sire hc never saw any weapon drop in entire xpac

[gloomy fern]

most of the top rogues got it from pvp early on

[spice spire]

This is firmly my stance as well

[shadow pivot]

Getting 233 weapon as a rogue just requires time tbh, just spam RBGs

[onyx wind]

maybe you can truly transcend gear with this spec

:)

[balmy condor]

I guess I like sludge too

But shriek/altimor were kinda boring imo

[onyx wind]

huntsman shriek and hungering are too boring

[limber lion]

Yeh, Sire and Sludge are actually fun fights. The rest are okay. SLG/Council/SSK actually bad.

[forest wing]

Lads, if any of you have the time, could you help me understand where did i fuck up here? FeelsBadMan

[balmy condor]

Which I guess you can write off as first bosses

[forest wing]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/9gMnzVKt4cfpbjPa/9gMnzVKt4cfpbjPa#fight=11,11&source=5,16&type=casts

[zealous marsh]

so getting 233 daggers from rbgs is like killing shriekwing they said

[onyx wind]

legit i play hungering destroyer with my UI off and do mechanics

cause it crashes

every time

artificer is nice, inerva is nice, sludge is nice

everything else is whatever

didnt try sire yet but hope hes fun

[shadow pivot]

Inerva is a RNG shitfest, one of the worst fight in the raid to me

[spice spire]

Artificer is a cool fight. Inerva kinda boring tbh.

[balmy condor]

Artificer is a one shot mechanic nightmare imo

[zealous marsh]

instal crit manager i suppose from first glance

[balmy condor]

Inerva is a dogshit overlap fight

[onyx wind]

inerva was maybe rng with 205 ilvl

but with 225 u can just

deal with everything

[shadow pivot]

yea im talking about the boss progress wise, nowadays they're all "easy" (assuming the raid knows the mechanics)

[onyx wind]

yea dunno abt progress

killed that boss on 2nd pull

[forest wing]

Guy has less crit than me and still managed to crit more, FeelsBadMan

[onyx wind]

so wouldnt know XD

[shadow pivot]

Inerva was basically get the pre-immune on adds or pull again

big fun

[zealous marsh]

look at envenom crits

[onyx wind]

but felt really fun even tho it was easy

[zealous marsh]

less envenoms more crits

[onyx wind]

beam mechanic is fun

[zealous marsh]

more dmg

[forest wing]

i mean, its only 5 less envenoms for 10%+ crit

[balmy condor]

Looks fine to me at a glance

[onyx wind]

overall this raid is prob one of the least fun ones ive ever played

[zealous marsh]

same with flag

[forest wing]

i mean how did i lose when he has less update/less casts

uptime*

[zealous marsh]

he crit with flag so much 20k dmg

[balmy condor]

He crit more

[forest wing]

Unlucky

[shadow pivot]

idk i get the same feeling but i don't know if it is because Rogue were suboptimal

[zealous marsh]

even phantom fire potion

[shadow pivot]

I mean the game's much more enjoyable when you're a 'carry'

[zealous marsh]

my man u are unlucky

[onyx wind]

like look at uldir for example

sure rogue was good but

[lyric onyx]

There's alot of mistakes in there

[onyx wind]

first 2 fights were better than entire raid here

[forest wing]

enlighten me

[balmy condor]

Guess it could also be pooling

[lyric onyx]

So opener, Rupture before vendetta

Skulkers can be done inside of vendetta no gcd

[muted ridge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[lyric onyx]

Shiv is to late

[forest wing]

doesnt make a difference

to skulker inside of vendetta

[balmy condor]

Are you looking at the right rogue

[lyric onyx]

No but it does make a differnce to do on cd

[onyx wind]

are we looking at top or bottom rogue atm

[lyric onyx]

Vanish

also way to late

With the opener you do you vanish instantly after flag

[balmy condor]

The top is the guy asking

[limber lion]

Well, he does have better trinkets, better weapons, more sockets

[onyx wind]

pretty much the exact opener i play but shiv before mut

[lyric onyx]

There's another opener where you get 5 combo points and then vanish but in that case you get 5 combo before vendetta into flag->Shiv->Vanish Envenom

[balmy condor]

I mean these micro changes to opener wouldn’t really matter at all

[lyric onyx]

They can matter

[forest wing]

ye, i know theres improvement potential there, but it wouldn't matter

[balmy condor]

Sure he might’ve lost 6 or 7 dps I guess

[forest wing]

in this discussion against that guy

[gloomy fern]

i just roll my face against the keyboard

works fine

[onyx wind]

Guys im running subterfuge

[balmy condor]

I think this is a better reason

[onyx wind]

And i do 3x garrote in opener for max pandemic

[balmy condor]

That’s one way to make your opener shit

[plain thistle]

no, you need to use 4

max duration

[shadow pivot]

spam garrote until it has a cooldown indeed

[onyx wind]

HAHAHA

[balmy condor]

Get it on cooldown, exactly

[onyx wind]

4th one

to cancel out the subterfuge buff

[shadow pivot]

Then use on CD as any burst

[onyx wind]

Im gonna do that in a log

and ask for help on an alt

[plain thistle]

or be like pre legion rogues, just use garrote from stealth

[onyx wind]

dirty warrior player pre legion

[lyric onyx]

I think biggest mistakes are just losing gcd's inside vendetta and doing damage outside shiv window

[onyx wind]

wouldnt know

[balmy condor]

If you catch me waking up or annoyed at school I’ll scream at you for free

[onyx wind]

😎 thanks for looking out

[forest wing]

i see

[balmy condor]

Can you point to a specific example

[onyx wind]

Ive been doing some pulls on sludge and im not kidding u

Theres a window of 0.1 sec where u can get another envenom off

in first opener

[forest wing]

still don't think that makes that much of a difference but ye, i guess

[onyx wind]

and im spamming my keys so fucking hard u would think im playing outlaw

[balmy condor]

Maybe you are

[lyric onyx]

I mean from lookin at logs there's really nothing else to say, you can't rly go wrong in any other way on assa

[balmy condor]

Cto works on sin, sin = outlaw?

[shadow pivot]

Maybe we're all stuck in a dream where Assa's back still being forced on pirate spec

[onyx wind]

Im vendoring all my OL weapons before we get to SLG

im not playing that spec man fuck off

rather play fury warrior

[limber lion]

[shadow pivot]

Just tell your raid leader "I think our composition lacks priority target damage"

[onyx wind]

I HOPE THEY BENCH ME

[shadow pivot]

works 100% of the time not to play outlaw

[onyx wind]

Yea and then i can go show him assa dmg to bosses on SLG

"dude look we are so broken on this fight"

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m just curious where you saw the mistake, navigating is hard on mobile

[onyx wind]

its not like we are allowed to tunnel boss

[shadow pivot]

it worked for me on Council prog

[loud trench]

So just did some sin practice and my WAs are showing a 5 second cd when garrote is applied. Is there some internal 5 second buff when you apply it?

[lyric onyx]

Rupture after vendetta and just late shiv

[shadow pivot]

I didnt want to go outlaw and said we lack priority damage on attendants, did it as subtlety

[onyx wind]

No garrote just has a CD

[shadow pivot]

when we were running 2x Boomkin 4x Hunter Annihilating those attendants kekw

[balmy condor]

No like the non opener stuff, openers are big whatever

That doesn’t matter

[onyx wind]

i played sub on council

#1 attendant dmg

ofc

then i go assa and im doing 0.3 dmg

to those guys

[lyric onyx]

Dunno if you can really do anything wrong outside cd's? The next CD window is gonna be the exakt same as opener, other than that its just keep everything up and on cd

[zealous marsh]

@balmy condor you disrespected random baboon a while ago

[balmy condor]

Oh I thought you actually found a mistake

[zealous marsh]

so hold your horses

[loud trench]

Okay and rupture can be applied sub 4 cps, so if shiv just came off cd and rupture fell off and I’m at 2 cps, better to 2pt rupture then enter my shiv window with and build to 4 envenom, mut, enevom?

[balmy condor]

What I do

[zealous marsh]

you disrespected a "random baboon"

[balmy condor]

Oh did I

I’m sure I didn’t mean it, if he wants to he can dm me and talk it out

I know I get a little spicy sometimes

But I honestly don’t mean to insult anyone personally

[austere pewter]

I just swapped venthyr and I'm looking at logs of high parsing rogues. I see that they are using shiv even though they don't have well placed steel. Am I missing something here? Shiv shouldn't increase damage without that conduit. The only thing i can think of is that its used to get that 1 last CP before the vanish window

[balmy condor]

Oh that wasn’t aimed at anyone

Pfew

Thought I actually made someone mad for a second

[onyx wind]

Bro

[zealous marsh]

[onyx wind]

Shiv increases nature dmg done by 20%

[austere pewter]

u know what

i'm an idot LOL

[onyx wind]

HGAHAHA

[austere pewter]

idiot

[balmy condor]

Perhaps

[plain thistle]

[balmy condor]

[onyx wind]

Maybe u were looking at logs before they fixed shiv bug

so it looked like noone used it

and u thought to urself

sure it has no purpose

[zealous marsh]

no

i thought

"what an idiot doesn't use shiv"

[balmy condor]

I’m honestly so glad they fixed that

[austere pewter]

Well i'm also coming from outlaw so i only used it as an enrage dispel in M+

[gloomy fern]

shiv is overrated

[balmy condor]

I was getting tired of “why top log no shiv?

[zealous marsh]

and then i realised i am idiot aswell coz i missed 2 casts

[austere pewter]

I think the tooltip changes when you change spec

[onyx wind]

kinda dumb how shiv stops being utility spell as assa

shouldve just made toxic blade a thing gg

[austere pewter]

yeah thats what happened. i was reading the tooltip in outlaw spec and it doesn't increase nature damage

[limber lion]

They changed Toxic Blade to Shiv in SL.

They should have never even added the utility-function to it nor add it to Sub/Outlaw

It has been a part of Assa's rotation for the longest time.

[zealous marsh]

ok going back to work. Don't kill each other lads

[onyx wind]

yea i know its just

[limber lion]

Just the name has changed

[onyx wind]

unprune to prune

good one

when the spell has 2 distinct purposes

[sharp mica]

yeah, holding rotation to remove enrage.. fuck that

[balmy condor]

#transmog

[onyx wind]

man i just wanna do +20's

but noone online

i cant serve any tea man ffs

[sharp mica]

im trying to find info on different kill orders for mythic blood council, anyone got some insight? im trying to figure if stavros last is viable after the nerf

or can anyone point me to some info regardinng this, having trouble with my googlefu

[icy crater]

limit max has like an hr long video about council and talks about kill orders in it

[sharp mica]

yeah, and his comment regarding stavros last, if i recall, was 'it might be viable' or something along that line

wondering if anyone did it but i cant find anything

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s hard to see order from logs sometimes

[sharp mica]

even harder to filter it somehow, is it even possible?

[north basin]

U just take first 30 sec and see whom everyone damaging

Ez

After he is dead u see who is the target next

[gusty mirage]

I can confirm that only works if you're paying attention

[wind nacelle]

Solid point

[gusty mirage]

one of our heroic kills I was watching netflix, and dumping damage into frieda and we were killing niklaus first, whoooooops

[wind nacelle]

XD

“I was interrupting her guys”

[balmy condor]

“I’m just vibe checking everyone else guys don’t worry”

[bright pewter]

r u pugging them

or watt

[onyx wind]

nah with bros

did u guys know 50% of deaths in mythic are hunters

[bright pewter]

did u know sanguine depths is a cursed dungeon

[balmy condor]

Everyone knows that

[gusty mirage]

I used to appreciate it prior to 15+s

[bright pewter]

LOL yeah

[gusty mirage]

now it seems regardless of affix its miserable

ty blizz

[vivid plume]

Usually I can only fit two envenoms in a shiv window, is that normal or is it possible to normally fit three?

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[primal zinc]

hello ssins!!!

[bright pewter]

hi

[limber lion]

Sup

[primal zinc]

sap

[gloomy fern]

with vigor u should be able to get 3, with deeper strat you will mostly only get 2

[bright pewter]

ngl rogue was so fun after playing healer for like 2 expansions

but i feel like assa was stronger in bfa

[vivid plume]

Thanks, I do run deeper stratagem so that is reassuring

[limber lion]

Well, that's because it was very strong especially in 8.3 and pre-nerf Uldir.

But compared to other classes, it wasn't an outlier and it isn't one now either.

Outlier doesn't seem like the right word, mano english is veri bad pls do not hurt ty

[bright pewter]

just rogue in general feels a bit wack this exp

especially pre 9.0.5 where monk just unbalanced

[limber lion]

Yeah, but every class got tuned down quite significantly. Either the numbers were tuned or the kit itself was changed up. A lot of classes also benefit from having huge amounts of borrowed power, like corruption/azerite traits/essences

Fire Mage is a lot slower now than it was in BFA, but because the numbers are still high, it still rocks the charts pretty hard.

[bright pewter]

yeahh fair enough

[limber lion]

Even though it doesn't feel as smooth to play whatsoever.

[bright pewter]

but i assume that progress es through the exp

[limber lion]

Assa is also a lot slower than it was in 8.3 because we don't have 75% haste baseline.

[bright pewter]

for fire mage

[daring pecan]

[limber lion]

Yeah, Fire mage required a lot to work. You needed the wrists, you needed the essence (Lucid Dreams - until the minute mage build got popular with Worldvein), you needed azerite traits (3x Blaster Master) AND you needed a lot of Masterful from corruptions.

But yeh, FM is still really good because the numbers are tuned that way. I preferred the BFA FM over this current iteration by a lot.

[bright pewter]

and actually how is assas in pvp

[limber lion]

Outlaw got dicked by AoE-cap

[limber lion]

It's pretty good and is seeing competitive play even in the AWC.

[bright pewter]

how good is it compared to sub

[limber lion]

They do different things.

[onyx wind]

any of u guys need pf

[limber lion]

Assa does more damage and more burst, Sub has a lot better control.

[onyx wind]

still

[compact pumice]

I prefer the playstyle a lot. You never run out of damage as Assa

[onyx wind]

making pf14 grp on my mage

90% of people signing are rogues

man...

[stoic needle]

Na?

[onyx wind]

eu ofc

[stoic needle]

[bright pewter]

eu superior

[onyx wind]

u can hop in if uwant

[stoic needle]

I can't I'm na 😭

[onyx wind]

epic fail

[stoic needle]

I just want a fucking poxstorm man I s2g

[wary ice]

Bro the PF 14 grind is real

[bright pewter]

i haven't even done a weekly on my rogue or healer isn't it like tyranical week

[onyx wind]

nah fort

[bright pewter]

oj

[stoic needle]

It's fortified spiteful grievous

Aka fuck rogue week