#assassination

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burnt star
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or 1

hollow escarp
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garrote all avaliable targets once

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only 1 garrote in single target

burnt star
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edited: cant read

onyx wind
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^this

pallid galleon
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@storm forum Can I upgrade and keep my MA ring with crit/versa or go with a haste/crit one?

burnt star
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kk

tropic echo
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i really can't decide for first lego if i should craft the DS i just got, wait for torg to see if doomblade/zoldyck opens or farm for MA lol

stoic needle
burnt star
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so we never double garrote on a single target

hollow escarp
stoic needle
tropic echo
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i have no clue how twisting corridors works ngl

onyx wind
burnt star
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good 😉

hollow escarp
burnt star
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but i get the point

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haha

storm forum
onyx wind
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why 0?

hollow escarp
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it's not 0 lol

burnt star
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wait..

onyx wind
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am i missing something

burnt star
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i thought it was

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ok

hollow escarp
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neah

burnt star
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nvm

onyx wind
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oh ok

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nvm XD

burnt star
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u can smack me

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i really cant read

hollow escarp
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also don't vanish to apply garrotes with no energy, it can be awkward

onyx wind
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nah dw

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huge fan of iron wire tho

hollow escarp
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same

burnt star
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i was under the impression it was 0 energy/0 cd.. haha

tropic echo
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internal bleeding based

onyx wind
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my tank loves me for it

tropic echo
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venomous wounds kidney shot jajaja

onyx wind
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and AoE silence is nice if ur not running with DH

stoic needle
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Haste doesn't lose value in aoe. And there's no reason to put crit on a legendary that gives you 100% crit lmao

hollow escarp
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wire is so good if tanks know about it and don't open with sigil of silence

onyx wind
tropic echo
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haste does lose value in aoe, energy regen isn't an issue there

stoic needle
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But it still makes you do more damage

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Because dot ticks are hasted

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So no, it doesn't lose value in aoe

onyx wind
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pretty much yeah

tropic echo
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everything makes you do more damage tho

hollow escarp
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uhm

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I kinda disagree

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but it's fine

onyx wind
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think of it this way

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the earlier u get ur bleeds running

hollow escarp
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I don't like getting energy capped in M+

onyx wind
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the faster u can start doing stuff like envenom and CT/FoK

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which do more dmg than rupture

stoic needle
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No they don't actually

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Rupture has higher DPE than fok and envenom

onyx wind
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yes...

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but thats over 30 seconds

storm forum
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Haste has value in AoE, just less than on ST and compared to other stats in the situation

onyx wind
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i hope u get my point tho

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the faster u get energy capped the faster u can deal even more dmg

hollow escarp
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I have 12 haste in M+

onyx wind
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thats why i like haste a lot

stoic needle
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It's not over 30 seconds, the damage is linear with the CP but I get your point

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M+ isn't pure aoe though

storm forum
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It is devalued once you can get out 4 bleeds in a pack without waiting for energy to go up

hollow escarp
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it isn't, but even with full m+ spec we do good damage in ST

tropic echo
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trash this expansion feels a lot harder than bosses by a huge margin

onyx wind
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i for sure think haste isnt the go to stat

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since we have venthyr for example

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i think crit is better in all content

hollow escarp
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if you play Nadjia

onyx wind
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but haste is still fine

tropic echo
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id rather itemize for aoe and make trash packs as short as possible

stoic needle
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Depends on what you mean by harder

onyx wind
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Woops 😎

stoic needle
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Trash can be 'harder' but bosses can still be the thing that depletes your key because you can't kill it fast enough

tropic echo
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as in more likely to kill you than bosses

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which depletes time

stoic needle
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Something doesn't have to kill you to ruin your run

onyx wind
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you dont really lose any boss dmg by going less haste

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since u usually have lust

tropic echo
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you usually have lust for maybe 2 bosses

stoic needle
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I don't think that's really true

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Lust doesn't devalue haste

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Lust is haste % and doesn't DR with haste from gear

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It's just more damage

tropic echo
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you don't ever energy cap during ST outside of vendetta even during lust

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so it doesn't really devalue it

onyx wind
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thats not what i meant

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but yea i agree

tropic echo
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even if you spend an extra 30-40 seconds on a boss because your whole group spec'd for hard aoe instead of cleave/ST, if it makes you save 10 seconds per pack that's gonna add up to be a lot of time saved, and even moreso if speeding up trash packs prevents deaths that could otherwise be a possibility

onyx wind
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i just meant that other stats like crit and vers are good for short fights

tropic echo
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then again, i haven't seen a high tyrannical boss almost 1shot a tank yet

onyx wind
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who cares abt tyrannical

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just go bench

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for a week

strange python
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Huh

tropic echo
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lol

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i have bad memories of HoV high tyrannical keys

hollow escarp
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tyranical is fun

stoic needle
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Also I don't really think it's true that being energy capped makes haste suddenly a bad stat. Haste doesn't give you as much energy regeneration as you'd think

hollow escarp
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blasting mobs

tropic echo
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where hymdall would almost 1shot the tank with sweep

royal lantern
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the energy reg from haste is not what makes haste good

hollow escarp
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let's not talk about legion

royal lantern
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and its stupid that people think it is lol

storm forum
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Being worse than crit doesn't make haste a bad stat

royal lantern
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like, the energy gain from haste is so frking small

royal lantern
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its just slightly less dmg then other stats

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SLIGHTLY less

stoic needle
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Haste makes you auto attack faster, which makes you get more poison procs, and it makes your bleeds and poisons tick faster

hollow escarp
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theotar umbrella

royal lantern
tropic echo
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so what even is twisting corridors

stoic needle
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Even if you're energy capped I'd say that haste gives more aoe damage than vers, and mastery unless you're really stacking it

royal lantern
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(i was not serious pal)

stoic needle
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Vers is interesting though because of the defensuve value

tropic echo
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also

doesn't mastery become insanely high value in aoe

stoic needle
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I don't know about insanely high value

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It just scales better than haste and vers does

sick cairn
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guys im doing sludge

stoic needle
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Theotar is great for m+ because it's a large amount of mastery for free

marsh yew
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I mean an easy solution would be to have each individual sim stat weights for dungeon cleave since from what I've heard dungeon cleave is actually decent now

onyx wind
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and because of tea part

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tea party is fucking busted

marsh yew
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I'd assume it would be different per character

sick cairn
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no burst on pull?

tropic echo
sick cairn
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save for pillar?

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quick answer

hollow escarp
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tea time during pride concerned_ez

onyx wind
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hc or mythic

sick cairn
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HC

onyx wind
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when do u lust

undone verge
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@dense bramble so mut = 2 weapon hits (double crit + double poison)?

storm forum
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Part of the value of haste is increased energy regen, if that doesn't matter in a situation then the value of haste is lower, even if it's only slightly lower. Crit and haste are already close in ST so that small devaluation makes crit a better stat but doesn't make haste suddenly awful. And I don't even know why I'm so mad about this.

stoic needle
marsh yew
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if you get 4 pillars + like 10-20 seconds do pull/second/fourth

sick cairn
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thanks fuys

marsh yew
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if you get 4 pillars exactly

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just use it on lust

tropic echo
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ah I see

onyx wind
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cant give u an answer if i dont know when u lust

hollow escarp
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nice, I run an M+ sin and I do it on Patchewerk 1 boss pepegaHammer

marsh yew
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then do it based off of that

tropic echo
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i actually dont know if i have the torg questline done on my main

hmm

marsh yew
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but knowing when you lust would be significantly nicer

stoic needle
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Imagine not getting mad about videogame stats on the internet AngerySpin

tropic echo
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maybe i should just go sub since i got finality from lfr

stoic needle
onyx wind
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any 2x 235 sub legendary crafters?

stoic needle
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Imagine having crafted finality and akaaris

onyx wind
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:) :) :)

stoic needle
onyx wind
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I shouldve known blizz wouldnt let assa be this shit

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:(

tropic echo
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or ill farm MA so i can use my specializations button as an "im bored button"

hollow escarp
sick cairn
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why would u have both akaari and finality

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you would be trolling

hollow escarp
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sub main?

onyx wind
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oh no no

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socketed

hollow escarp
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oof

onyx wind
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😎

sick cairn
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at least MA

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at most i would see finality and MA

tropic echo
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does finality work with sin rupture lmao

onyx wind
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yes u have all 3

hollow escarp
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yes

tropic echo
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pog

hollow escarp
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it works

storm forum
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Cause some of us got baited by Akari sims

tropic echo
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i baited myself with DC sims on fire mage

and then forget to pop it half the time

marsh yew
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also for me haste is by far and its not even close in dungeon cleave the best stat for me

onyx wind
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Akaari is good

marsh yew
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where in st it's within .5 or so dps per stat

onyx wind
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Try simming different scenarios

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Dungeon slice is like

hollow escarp
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yeah

onyx wind
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Lets just say its hard to tell when and where each stat shines

hollow escarp
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patchwerk, 5 targets, 40 sec

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also stat weights change a lot whenever you swap gear around

stoic needle
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Finality should have been spec neutral NODDERS

storm forum
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I have a rank 3 Akari cause I thought it was the best but FUCK RNG literally on prog whether we hit the push timing on Inerva early late or on time was cause of my and the frost mage's stupid fucking rng procs

onyx wind
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wait what

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Akaari's is just flat 25% more SS dmg

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no rng right?

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or wdym

hollow escarp
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ad rng?

storm forum
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Weapon master procs

hollow escarp
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with immunities?

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oooh

onyx wind
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ahh

stoic needle
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Finality sin - env, rupture, ct
Finality outlaw - dispatch, bte
Finality sub - evis, rupture, bp

hollow escarp
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finality is kinda boring though

stoic needle
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Exactly why it should be neutral

onyx wind
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yo anyone need this?

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can trade for 49 min

stoic needle
kind talon
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you guys ever had a problem with your weakauras almost getting overwritten by someone else? for instance my WA should track my bleeds but like they fuck up if another rogue throws a garrote then it starts tracking his shit on top of mine so i see his bleed time left instead of mine

stoic needle
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I just want a fucking poxstorm man

hollow escarp
stoic needle
onyx wind
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click this on

stoic needle
onyx wind
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223 :)

hollow escarp
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don't

marsh yew
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I got a poxstorm while memeing around in a plaguefall+2 felt kinda obligated to try out raid as outlaw after I upgraded it a bit

onyx wind
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:) :) ):

hollow escarp
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I had no people to do +14s for the first 2 months

stoic needle
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I'm not spending 4k valor to upgrade weapon fuck that

onyx wind
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So noone knows i slacked

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B)

hollow escarp
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haha

kind talon
dark whale
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Hey I got a question, I just did sludgefist normal and accidentally popped vendetta on pull, my WA then showed me that I got vendetta up on the first pillar and then again on the third even without pressing it? seems to be showing up in logs aswell? (im not the best at logs but yeah) what gives?

rich dawn
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!WA

prisma monolithBOT
gloomy fern
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what do you mean

onyx wind
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This is pull, 2nd pillar

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and 4th

dark whale
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oh yeah sorry

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my wa is prolly just wonk

onyx wind
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Unless ur running duskwalkers with a NF priest

storm forum
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... my raid has a NF priest, am I about to craft duskwalker's?

hollow escarp
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make sure to pay the priest first

storm forum
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What's the going rate for PI these days?

hollow escarp
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50k

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my shaman asked 200k for a full HC run with windfury totem Hmmmge

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somebody from the party actually paid him OMEGALUL

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I just enjoyed the ride

storm forum
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Hmm, good thing my boosting check arrived yesterday

stoic needle
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Man I should've rolled enh

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I'd be rich

hollow escarp
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yeah, but you need a raid spot

stoic needle
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Rude

hollow escarp
manic harness
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My raid got an enhance shaman 2 weeks ago

hollow escarp
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haven't played that much enha, but I liked the bfa version more than this one

manic harness
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Every single raid I tell him that's he is a beautiful person and the most important member of the raid

hollow escarp
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we are only 4 melee in our raid (5 with holy pala) so one enha will fit in so well

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in that cosy melee party

candid goblet
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Would I be losing on too much if I a macro Flag+Vendetta+Vanish together for the opener?

hollow escarp
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yes

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you want to have control over your abilities to adapt sometimes

marsh yew
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I mean I guess you theoretically could JUST for the opener but that seems kinda weird

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cause flag is 1 minute and 30 sec cd and vendetta is 2 minute

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so you would want to use flag outside of vendetta

candid goblet
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Would I

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Guide says overlap them

hollow escarp
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and you probably want to use rupture after flag

candid goblet
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Unless the fight will end in that 30 secs

tropic echo
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do I have to wait until weekly reset to continue torghast quests-

onyx wind
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no

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sometimes u just need to relog

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if they dont show up

tropic echo
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i did the jaina one earlier in the week and i havent seen another quest come up

onyx wind
tropic echo
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all week, after logging in multiple times

onyx wind
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Dont remember what comes after jaina

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but im pretty sure its not the last one

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maybe u need to pick it up at venari or smth

tropic echo
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it's not, you're supposed to pick it up at bolvar

candid goblet
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@onyx wind Ty, and realistically how much dps am I losing by doing that, instead of using Flag before rupture?

onyx wind
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Absolutely no idea

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But probably not that much

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But it is for sure worse

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You can get around it by just removing vanish from ur macro

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then it should be almost optimal

burnt star
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so. wich guide has the optimal opener for st venthyr 😉

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as in. when do u vendetta

desert ether
rustic whale
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at the moment you have lower than <50 energy since its not triggering global cd

candid goblet
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@onyx wind So, you are supposed to vanish a bit later than those two? Whats the reasoning behind that? Sorry I’m new to Assa

bleak sun
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Garr/mut/snd/mut rupt /mut mut /flag+vend/shiv/env @burnt star

stoic needle
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Actually it's gar/mut/snd/mut/mut/flag+vend/rupture / mut into shiv + envs

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With subterfuge

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You want to try to put vend before flag, and flag before rupture

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Flag does a shit ton of damage with vendetta up(10k+) and rupture is ez 5 stacks for flag

burnt star
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we dont play subt in st

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so still garrote first?

stoic needle
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With ma it's mut snd mut gar flag+vend rup

burnt star
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wthx

thorny rose
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so we don’t use ambush during subterfuge right?

stoic needle
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Nooooo

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Spending a subterfuge gcd on anything but garottes is a sin

candid goblet
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@stoic needle Followed by shiv vanish and 5cp envenom spam?

thorny rose
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fasho. Looks like I need to adjust my bars

stoic needle
primal zinc
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I FOUND A GUILD FINALLY AFTER 2 WEEKS OF LONILESS

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lonelyness

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xD

stoic needle
thorny rose
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grats, now you get to play the game

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I was guildless for a while it was booty

primal zinc
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got kicked 2 weeks ago cos sin is not meta they said.....it has 0 utility they said!!!

topaz saffron
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I mean, show me the Utility 🥲

primal zinc
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their loss///my new guild gain

onyx wind
primal zinc
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ty all sin 4life

fading wigeon
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Which world first guild kicked you for playing sin?? Lol

tropic echo
patent topaz
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realm 1st omegalul this isnt 2006

tropic echo
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eh some people might care about realm first

fading wigeon
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lol

winter vapor
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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yall rock nadjia or theotar in keys

burnt star
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i roll double potency nadj in key. sims like 10 dps away from theo

strange python
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wat 2nd potency do u use

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been tryin out some diff options

burnt star
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lash + lp

stoic needle
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I do theotar on fort and nadjia on tyrannical

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Nadjia exacting prep

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Theotar with wasteland or doublenpotency with katar for like DOS and mists

strange python
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word

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lash always first potency ya?

stoic needle
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LP also works

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Yeah lash always

strange python
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wordd

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thanx

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i was playing theotar double pot but i felt like katar was wasted in a lot of dungeons so ill try the wasteland setup

north nebula
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So I know Doomblade and MA are the BiS Legendaries, but in a world without min maxing, where does Bloodfang stand?

strange python
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the legendary sims are pinned in this channel if you wanna check them out

indigo mulch
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I want to craft Zoldycks so bad

strange python
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its like 3.5% less on ST and 2% less in a dungeon going off the pinned sims @north nebula

indigo mulch
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But MA is just a better choice :c

strange python
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why?

indigo mulch
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I play outlaw aswell

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D:

strange python
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ahhhh

burnt star
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ya then m.a is better

north nebula
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Oh, I see. So... not bad, but not great.

stoic needle
strange python
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right gotcha

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makes sense, thanks :)

indigo mulch
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What is considered high keys though?

stoic needle
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I was gonna max out my MA but spiteful week happy

strange python
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he just means something he cares about enough to swap a conduit for one specific run

stoic needle
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Yeah

indigo mulch
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No i'm curious to what high keys are in the community?

stoic needle
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Like 18 or 19 or something since I usually only do 15-17

indigo mulch
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Cause for some people thats a 15 key

stoic needle
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Well in the community a high key is usually 20+

strange python
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a high key is just +2 over what you usually do

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but yeah in the greater scope of the community high keys are like 22+ prob

north nebula
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High key for me is probably 17+. I did just enough to get KSM.

burnt star
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o shit

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wasnt expecting extracting to sim higher

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then tea party

limber lion
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It's a bit of a bait

strange python
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if its that close id probably run theotar still, since if u ever die and loss food buff or whatever exacting becomes worse

stoic needle
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Is it Cev?

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I feel like I have time to refresh the food buff most times I die

strange python
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depends on the keys you run

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lot of times u dont

stoic needle
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Keyword there is most lol

strange python
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yeah fair, personally tho if the difference is that small im running theotar every time

burnt star
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i dont die.. most of the time

limber lion
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Yeah I never refresh food buff personally and without food buff it sims lower

burnt star
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and if im running +20.. ill come as law

limber lion
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But I mean if you have food buff up all the time, then might as well use that!

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For sure

strange python
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does exacting prep sim assume you use the good feast food buff?

limber lion
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Just make sure you're simming one of the secondary-foods and not feast, because I doubt you'll be using feasts in the dungeon

strange python
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yeah ^^

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that

limber lion
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:p

burnt star
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haha

shadow helm
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ma in spiteful week

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xD

stoic needle
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It sims higher even with just haste or crit food for me

limber lion
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Sick, might as well just use it then tbh

strange python
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yeah then if you can confidently keep the food buff up might as well run it

stoic needle
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The way I see it is that it means that nadjia can be a viable alternative for a dungeon where you might need more single target

limber lion
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I'm just an idiot who dies a lot in M+ lol

stoic needle
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Not that it's neccesarily better

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Lmaooo

limber lion
stoic needle
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I don't stand in frontal cleaves anymore at least feelskek

strong cipher
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Hey ! Is there a haste cap for sin ? I use to play outlaw but I'm sure I need more haste. I feel I got lack of energy when I try sin spec

stoic needle
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Storming is such a trash affix because it makes me get hit with everything

stoic needle
loud silo
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Theres a soft cap

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but all classes have that

stoic needle
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No there isn't

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There's a hard cap of 127%

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Which you can get with lust+thrill seeker+flagellation fully stacked

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And a bit on gear

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But that's only for like 30 seconds

peak sandal
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Gummi did you drop dk for rogue

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@strange python

strange python
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in the process of it ya

peak sandal
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Where you raiding now? Or just for m+

strange python
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i quit raiding in january cuz sludgefist made me sad

peak sandal
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I heard the guild deaded again

strange python
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yeah when i left the other 2 best dps left and so did our hpal

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so the guild just died instantly

peak sandal
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Yike

strange python
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pre nerf sludgefist with 8 melee YEP

peak sandal
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Lmfao

solemn hawk
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What's the best opener

brittle pawn
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Katy Perry or Taylor Swift?

strange python
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tswizzle

peak sandal
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Katy perry if we talkin back in the day

brittle pawn
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see, good opener. got 2 people talking.

peak sandal
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LMAO

solemn hawk
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Sounds like awful openers

peak sandal
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You came in here asking questions

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Who are you to judge

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Smh

solemn hawk
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Lol

strange python
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man idc what u listen to if u hate on katy perry u just dont have ears

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i do be a plastic bag

peak sandal
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^

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Any plastic bags? Sadge

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Ay this new jb album be hittin tho gummi

limber lion
prisma monolithBOT
solemn hawk
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There we go ty mecha

limber lion
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Wait

strange python
limber lion
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Did you just thank the bot my boy

peak sandal
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I've listened to it like 3 times

strange python
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LOL

peak sandal
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LMAOOO

strange python
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man said thanks

peak sandal
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IM FUCKING CRYING

strange python
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hes respectful i can get behind it LOL

limber lion
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Damn dude that's some next level bm right there LUL

peak sandal
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All you did was type !guide

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The bot actually linked it

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Smh

strange python
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I have a question. I play rogue since 15 years now, but today i came to a point where i was thinking about the game.
For me the game right now feels like a damn gacha game... i hate the stupid grind with a generic m+ or raidgrp... shall i vanish?

peak sandal
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Damn

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Where can I buy renown

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Or loot

strange python
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it took u 15 years to realize this game was pointless

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unluck

peak sandal
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LMAO

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Cant message or friend you gumbo

strange python
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i have everything off lemme add u

dense bramble
stoic needle
lethal heart
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!opener

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😓

empty peak
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my simc is telling me that the best final tier talent in all situatios is crimson tempest and not poison bomb...

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can someone confirm im doing something wrong?

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i wouod expect poison bomb to out perform sT

full tendon
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Should mutilate be used or ambush, to open from stealth?

signal gulch
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mutilate

vast forum
empty peak
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Yoppa: ok one sec

hollow escarp
lethal heart
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idk

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those things

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dont bully

hollow escarp
#

hunter main

empty peak
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@vast forum whats the best way to link sim i run simulation craft locally on my mac

peak sandal
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Link the finished sim

spark hearth
#

What covenant would you recommend as a good "all around" one for PvE while also running M+ and AoE raid fights as Combat? Necro seems so strong for AoE/Cleave on Outlaw but it's meh at ST with Assassiantion.

peak sandal
#

Or you could throw your /simc in a pastebin and let him sim it

hollow escarp
stoic needle
vast forum
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sim on raidbots 😄

spark hearth
hollow escarp
#

yeah, but don't you wanna play outlaw more?

spark hearth
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No, this is for raiding. Just having Outlaw as well for M+ framing and AoE fights.

stoic needle
hollow escarp
#

you could also sim the most popular soulbinds

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to see the difference

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like Nadjia, Niya and w/e is the best single target on necro

spark hearth
#

I've seen the numbers, it's more so wondering which aspect to take a "hit" in, so to speak.

hollow escarp
#

also 200 DPS difference is on 229 ilvl

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so the difference between venthyr and necro is like 2%

spark hearth
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2% isn't anything to scoff at though.

vast forum
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2% is massive

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for just covenant choice

peak sandal
#

Are you world first raider

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If not

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Play what's fun for you

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:)

full tendon
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Lmao

spark hearth
#

I'm currently a Havoc DH but have been gearing out my Rogue to switch over.

vast forum
#

you may not like minmaxing but telling other ppl not to is a bit FeelsWeird

stoic needle
spark hearth
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Fair enough.

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I tend to PvP on the side; I'm guessing that would lean more towards Venthyr for Flagg ?

hollow escarp
#

but for real, when choosing a covenant for rogue, it's not wrong to go for the best transmog

empty peak
#

@vast forum i dont like raidbots it costs money and it takes too long and i can't customize it as quickly or as extensively as the code itself

hollow escarp
#

there are people performing on all 4 covenants

empty peak
#

@vast forum working on sharing it

stoic needle
#

I'd be surprised if your Mac desktop is faster than raidbots servers even with the queue taken into account

slender schooner
#

this dude got steve apple doin his logs monkahmm

peak sandal
hollow escarp
#

also the sims are at max ilvl

sour thunder
#

How is assass situation in Raid and M+ after 905?

hollow escarp
#

looks better every week we see new logs

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for raid

lethal heart
#

im doing as much damage as good ranged specs

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in a boost raid now

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and we dont have monk

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besides spriest

hollow escarp
lethal heart
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and i dont know opener

hollow escarp
#

yeah, assassination is that easy

sour thunder
#

Im inbetween starting over with either assass or enh shaman

hollow escarp
#

roll for it

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if you don't like the outcome, it means you wanna play the other one

sour thunder
#

I played outlaw like months ago and I did not really like the keeping uptime for snd, bf etc

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Is assass more fun than that?

hollow escarp
#

fun is relative

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some people like high APM

slender schooner
#

if you dont like keeping things up, assa is worse for you kekw

hollow escarp
#

you're probably find people here that are more likely to favor assa

sour thunder
#

I would not mind APM but it was kinda stressful playing outlaw

empty peak
#

im disappointed with the style set options from the Trial of Styles event

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anyone else? 😛

peak sandal
#

Each covenant comes with different strengths and weaknesses for various playstyles and at the end of the day it comes to preference. All of them are decent in pvp, kyrian dmg nerfed but it brings that pot and pelagos mastery orbs. Night fae gives the poison tick/free stealth ability and the fox Blink for good resets, works well with master assassin because of the reset potential. Venthyr has the haste buff and dauntless duelist and provides solid damage in flag but door of shadows is unreliable as a melee. Necrolord is probably best all around because the damage bone spike provides, the combo points it provides from bone spike, and the flesh craft shield + immune to CC buff in necrolord trees(unless this was changed last patch, I dont remember). As for m+, necrolord is usually ahead because you can multi dot with bone spike. Venthyr has theotar which brings mastery which is p good for assa m+. The other 2 are w/e. ST , venthyr is ultimately the best for assa IMHO. Covenants are all over the place for outlaw, with most taking necrolord but there are still a decent bit of kyrian and night fae and a few venthyr. @spark hearth

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Is that what you wanted

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Because that doesn't really give you a straight forward answer and you still have to pick what you want from that and make a personal decision

hollow escarp
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wouldn't say Korayn is w/e

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for M+

peak sandal
#

Oh yeah I forgot he exists

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Tbh

hollow escarp
#

but that proves your point again

peak sandal
#

But doesn't that also depend on key level?

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Idk

sour thunder
#

I did not like the whole covenant thing in shadowlands tho

hollow escarp
#

depends

peak sandal
#

In the end

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It adds even more decisions

sour thunder
#

they are not as charming and rewarding

peak sandal
#

You're going to see more assa rogues take venthyr and some nf

sour thunder
#

and torghast, GOD its awful boring with 0 reward

peak sandal
#

And most outlaw rogues take bone spike and some nf/kyrian and a few venth

shy dust
#

Torghast is awful

sour thunder
#

there is literally nothing good with shadowlands, sadly

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Legion was best

shy dust
#

Not true

hollow escarp
#

SL is great wtf

shy dust
#

It’s still pretty alt friendly

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Balance is absolutely awful so far

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But I wouldn’t say it’s bad or good as of yet

hollow escarp
#

people complain about conduit energy, but in legion you had to destroy relics if you wanna try something new

peak sandal
#

It's okay to have differing opinions :)

muted ridge
#

Legion andys always the loudest kek

stoic needle
#

I mean I don't miss korayn at all after swapping to venthyr from nf

hollow escarp
#

I kinda do

peak sandal
#

The only thing I miss is her

muted ridge
shy dust
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How can y’all miss koryn

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But not miss soulshape

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The best ability by far

hollow escarp
#

ohh yea

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first time I died on Sire HC on the walk

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was because I was venthyr

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forgot 3 stacks isn't enough

stoic needle
#

If they made torghast hard again and made legendaries cost less ash it would be dope

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I liked it when it was a challenge

peak sandal
spark hearth
#

Which, as you said, is preference at this point. I was more so curious what peoples thoughts were and what the average consensus was.

little moth
#

They're all really close so play what you want. Venth assassination is really fun

hollow escarp
#

if you are a main sin, go venthyr
if you are a main law, go necro

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is that a good opinion?

peak sandal
#

pick the covenant that has the least annoying campaign + coolest daggers

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so not night fae because fuck that campaign

spark hearth
#

I 100% get where you're coming from, KoJack. Not trying to be difficult at all. It's more so that I'd play Sin on ST Fights and Outlaw on AoE fights. Trying to find the "sweet" spot.

frosty smelt
#

do you like the idea of playing serrated bone spike

peak sandal
#

the problem is

spark hearth
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Nah, NF is out of the question. I want a different cov than my Havoc DH lol

peak sandal
#

you will not get the best of both worlds

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which is why i said

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rn

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it comes down to preference

frosty smelt
#

SBS is, imo, pretty aids to play at high efficiency

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i will take the 3% hit to not have to multi target sbs

spark hearth
# peak sandal you will not get the best of both worlds

I 100% agree and was just trying to see what people were thinking/would pick. It's not a matter of me thinking one Cov is the clear winner. More so trying to pick the one that will average out the best (over all content/specs) if that makes any sense.

peak sandal
#

the problem with that is you are asking a discord with thousands and thousands of people all with differing opinions

hollow escarp
peak sandal
#

because now it comes down to opinion and preference

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i prefer venthyr because i dont intend on playing outlaw

shy dust
#

Questions like that are hard to answer

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Necro is definitely more versatile

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And is better for m+

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But not everyone values raid and m+ the same

spark hearth
#

I understand it's all about preference. I think this got out of hand haha. I just wanted to see what people picked and why.

peak sandal
#

we told you Sadge

shy dust
#

I personally don’t mind losing some m+ performance to be a premier melee st spec

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So I went venthyr

spark hearth
#

You did, and I haven't been asking really anymore. 😛 Just talking back.

hollow escarp
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I picked Venthyr because it simmed 5% more for me than Niya in raid and I want to get Cutting Edge. M+ is just a mini game

peak sandal
spark hearth
#

Ya, I asked awhile back.

peak sandal
#

necro is fine just not preferable and it makes outlaw perform better

spark hearth
#

Ya

hollow escarp
#

if M+ was my main thing in the game I would go outlaw necro peepoShrug

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but I like to meme around with sin rogue because you can still push keys with it

dense axle
#

I picked necro cause I love SBS and the general feel of necro

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I main sin in raid, but I play outlaw when it's good for a fight

peak sandal
#

rank 4 assa council

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is necro

hollow escarp
#

council PepeLaugh

peak sandal
#

LMAOO

shy dust
#

Only alliance

peak sandal
#

huh

hollow escarp
#

if I played horde I would probably take the game seriously and not play rogue at all

shy dust
#

You can play the game seriously

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As a rogue

shy dust
hollow escarp
#

ofc you can

peak sandal
#

im alliance 🙂

shell wind
#

yo, judging by looking at logs, is it worth to switch DD for well placed steel in nadjia tree for mythic sludge?

peak sandal
#

i dont want to be

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but i am 🙂

shell wind
#

*it is not

hollow escarp
#

wish I could help with that question pepeHands

shy dust
shell wind
#

thanks

lethal heart
#

council isnt full st

hollow escarp
#

unless you play frieda last

peak sandal
#

im about to petition for removal of chinese players from wcl because im getting real sick of these guys getting 5 PIs and 3 nf buffs from priests

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😡

hollow escarp
lethal heart
#

ye but then you arent getting high log

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that for sure

hollow escarp
#

ofc

peak sandal
#

shout out rennqt, the true hero

unknown.png
hollow escarp
#

can't really take PI logs seriously

peak sandal
#

ye

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when i was going over logs before raid this week seeing where to improve, i strictly ignored anybody getting PIs

shy dust
#

It’s only like 3-4 people

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At the top using PI

hollow escarp
#

was about to say

peak sandal
#

aka i ignore passassin

hollow escarp
#

and they are usually abusing hard

shy dust
#

It only makes getting rank 1s annoying

hollow escarp
#

some guilds can afford to start padding on bosses

#

most of us plebs need to kill the bosses properly

peak sandal
#

true that

#

i have gone pretty casual this xpac

#

kinda sadge

hollow escarp
#

it's not a bad expansion to be casual

peak sandal
#

i beat a spriest on inerva

#

yeah but i like blasting and its hard to blast when you are in a lower end guild

lethal heart
#

i think i wont beat our spriest even if i had next tier gear

peak sandal
#

clarity is an owner so

hollow escarp
#

reminded me of my last Shriekwing kill this week. Me and an ele shaman were top dps after intermission, a few seconds past, we kill the boss, and then I see the 2 boomies 1k more dps over us lol

peak sandal
#

was it decided to go lashing + wasteland instead of katar and lashing for m+

hollow escarp
#

wasteland sims better for me in Dslice

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and it also brings 3% vers to party members

winged basin
#

Been playing mage all xpac, now I am trying to play my rogue (my main for A LONG time) and lemme tell you yall. I am fucking STRUGGLING LOL

hollow escarp
#

probably still better than me hard casting Pyro in combust

winged basin
#

3/10 m on my mage, so not HORRIBLE at it, but only been playing it since like 2 weeks into CN

#

Just had the itch, I miss my rogue horribly

peak sandal
#

thats why you be jumpin n shit

winged basin
#

^ always jump on move side to side combust lul

stray mural
#

How much crit do you need to effectively play the spec

peak sandal
#

why does wasteland say tea can only come once a minute but its activated by flag

hollow escarp
#

it's pretty weird because other venthyr abilities have lower cd than 60 sec

peak sandal
#

oh

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tyeahg

#

other classes

#

LFMAOIOOO

hollow escarp
#

mind games is 45 sec

peak sandal
#

god

hollow escarp
#

not sure how it works with Condemn

peak sandal
#

im so dumb

hollow escarp
#

ohh

#

yeah, you condemn, proc wasteland

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internal cd 60 sec

#

makes sense

peak sandal
#

yeah

#

im thinkin

#

rogue thing

#

and not

#

covenant thing

#

lmfao

hollow escarp
#

I've heard it's a bit annoying for SP

peak sandal
#

i imagine so

winged basin
#

wasteland?

peak sandal
#

but wouldnt they take nadjia anyways?

hollow escarp
#

not sure what they take

peak sandal
#

ignore that im renown 32

#

i stopped caring after i got dauntless

#

also ignore that i dont have draven unlocked

signal gulch
#

only 3 venthyr buttons are 45s or under

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rest are 1min+

hollow escarp
#

Draven is pretty dead for pve

hollow escarp
peak sandal
#

im on last chapter of campaign but i dont care enough to do it

#

isnt chain harvest 1 min 30

signal gulch
#

warrior priest hunter

hollow escarp
#

yeah, shammy is 90 sec

#

ohh

signal gulch
#

6s 45s 30s

hollow escarp
#

so it's actually bad for SP only

#

kind of

peak sandal
#

thats also assuming spriests dont have 2 good potency conduits

#

that are just betterthan wasteland

sleek sparrow
#

which they do

#

im fairly certain atleast

peak sandal
#

yeah

manic crescent
#

is inscrutable device trinket any good for us ?

sleek sparrow
#

pretty strong yeah

#

can just be inconsistent at times if you dont get stats halfway through a boss

loud trench
#

So if I’m playing vigor because im not a vampire, outside of your shiv window and vendetta windows for burst, you are basically just applying 4/5cp ruptures and garrote since s/d doesn’t really reset? ST only for M raid, I’m primary outlaw

shy dust
loud trench
#

And always finishing 4 cp unless you get a proc that ends you on 5cps?

gentle gyro
#

In the opener you use snd / rupture regardless of cp, otherwise always 4 or 5

loud trench
#

But your not pushing for 5 it’s just if the proc happens, unlike outlaw that always finish max cp unless BS/opp

gentle gyro
#

No, if you're at 4 you wouldn't use another cp generator

loud trench
#

Okay thanks

gentle gyro
#

Maybe shiv

#

But generally not

loud trench
#

So would you vanish, shiv and then enter the window at max cps for envom or am I reading tool tips wrong

#

In that case

uneven belfry
#

hi guys, new to assa for this expansion, can anyone help me where i can i find good openers for m+ n raids?

peak sandal
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
peak sandal
#

thanks mecha

uneven belfry
#

cheers

void urchin
#

!bis

abstract jolt
#

deeper strategem feels much more awkward for me then vigor. I rarely get 3 envenoms off during shiv with deeper as I cant pool as much AND I need 5+ cp bbefore envonm not 4+, so I only get 3 off in that window with lots of crits

#

how big of a deal is one less envnonom per shiv?. sims have me a little higher with deeper

hollow escarp
#

you can do 4 cp evenoms with DS

abstract jolt
#

oh, like always?

#

or just during shiv?

hollow escarp
#

even during shiv

#

it's ideal to get 6

#

but 4+ is fine

loud trench
#

Is DS the way to go even if your not venthyr for pure ST? M xymox for example

brittle pawn
#

No

abstract jolt
#

errr so does the loss of the extra CP on crits make 4 cp envonom fine or what? Should I just envonom on 4 every timethen?

brittle pawn
#

5+ with deeper

balmy condor
balmy condor
#

What

balmy condor
abstract jolt
#

ok but wait is 4+ wron g then 5+ with DS way to go for enfinishers?

hollow escarp
#

pretty sure I've seen you say the same Whispyr

balmy condor
balmy condor
#

But I’m not sure why I would ever recommend 4+ with deeper

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When that’s just a straight loss

peak sandal
#

yeah i was a little confused

bleak dune
#

Flag always with full cp right?

balmy condor
#

Never force yourself to cap

bleak dune
#

kk , thanks

hollow escarp
#

thanks for correcting though

peak sandal
#

what about in master assassin window?

#

with ds

drifting light
#

But but but we shiv at 5 pre-envenom, right?

shy dust
#

Sitll finish at normal rules

balmy condor
#

Shiv is a cooldown

#

It doesn’t fit into generate rules

drifting light
#

Kk ty

stray mural
#

Hey, how much crit do I need

#

30%?

balmy condor
#

As much as the sims say

drifting light
#

Legend says 34

balmy condor
#

Ye olde book of Scottish jokes

drifting light
#

Lol

stray mural
#

I’ve been an Outlaw player for months since I started as Assassination and felt the difference. Now that they’re close, my gear is really Vers heavy and I have an mix of Haste and Crit with no Mastery. I’m sitting at 30%.

abstract jolt
pliant apex
#

since vanish is to be used 7 secs after casting sepsis, that means i hold sepsis for vanish in fights right?

#

and not use it on cd?

peak sandal
#

i was talking about the talent btw, with 50% crit

balmy condor
pallid galleon
#

Is crimson tempest part of the single target rotation?

balmy condor
pallid galleon
#

ok

#

I talented it for m+

balmy condor
pliant apex
#

like 7 secs after it?

balmy condor
#

You do, if it lines up

pliant apex
#

why will it line up

#

apart from poener

#

opener*

abstract jolt
# balmy condor You generate

so should I change the opener from mut->snd->mut->garrote to something else? I actually have a delay in my opener with DS too where I cant get the rupture up quickly and hence cant vanish and vendetta quickly

balmy condor
balmy condor
pliant apex
#

umm what, i dont understand sorry

balmy condor
#

Vendetta and vanish are 2 minutes yes?

#

Sepsis is 1:30

#

So if you cast sepsis on cooldown

pliant apex
#

yes

balmy condor
#

It’ll come up 6 minutes into the fight

pliant apex
#

i will be 30 secs early

#

oh ok

balmy condor
#

Vendetta and vanish will also come up 6 minutes into the fight

pliant apex
#

dont think ive ever paid attention to timers

#

oh ic ic

balmy condor
#

It’s always safer to just cast on cooldown

#

Rather than hold

pliant apex
#

is it okay to cast sepsis when shriek is going into p2 right before he completes cast to become immune?

#

oh i see

#

just using sepsis without casting any other ability isnt right i assume?

balmy condor
#

Losing a cast is worse than making them sync up

pliant apex
#

oh i see

balmy condor
#

So if you don’t lose a cast

#

You’re fine

pliant apex
#

do you cast sesps before he enters immune?

#

oh right you arent nf , but if you were?

balmy condor
#

I do yeah

pliant apex
#

oh ok

#

then im doing that part right atleast heh

#

after vanish, i still make sure muts are used to keep dots, before envenom right

#

in terms priority?

wispy surge
#

hey guys, what should i go as first leggo to be decent in all content? wowhead and icy veins say different things

balmy condor
pliant apex
#

ty

balmy condor
bleak dune
abstract jolt
#

where in the opener should I sepsis? once its all done and into normal rotation? or squeeze it in before the vanish somewhere?

shy dust
#

You’re simming without shout and wind fury

wispy surge
shy dust
#

Simming without shout is a large dps loss

#

And so is totem

chilly crane
#

guys what is the most optimal opener for m+ packs of 3+

#

and how do I use energy/cp? 🙂

bleak dune
balmy condor
balmy condor
shy dust
#

Missing battle shout, not having dauntless duelist, and not having wind fury for a sim

civic trellis
#

what do you think would be more worth on sludge: IQD with vendetta at pull or IQD on first pilar without vendetta? 😛

#

Hard to sim

compact pumice
balmy condor
#

If you turn off things that give dps

#

You have less dps

bleak dune
#

^^ thanks , i forgot

balmy condor
civic trellis
abstract jolt
#

so oyud vendetta on pillar 2 and 4?

civic trellis
#

pull, 2nd and 4th

peak sandal
#

wouldnt you iqd on pull and vendetta first pillar

#

so you have both for 3rd pillar with lust

civic trellis
#

no

peak sandal
#

assuming you lust there

solar flicker
#

dont you blow everything on pull

#

then 2nd then 4th

civic trellis
#

lust is on 4th pilar

balmy condor
#

Lusting third pillar

solar flicker
#

just copy rae’s logs i think he uses that whack ass trink

balmy condor
#

Monkafuckinggigayikes

civic trellis
#

on third pilar is on hc i think

peak sandal
#

true

balmy condor
#

If you’re doing 4 pillar and lusting on 3

civic trellis
#

XD

balmy condor
#

You need to slap yourself and take a hard look in the mirror

civic trellis
#

haha

balmy condor
#

And then tell your raid lead to wake up

peak sandal
#

idk i havent looked at a single m sludge log or video xd

balmy condor
#

And turn on his monitor

civic trellis
#

on mythic you vendetta at pull, 2nd and 4th

subtle tundra
#

wouldnt 4th pillar lust be miles better cause 3 min cds?

brittle pawn
#

guilds just starting prog on sludge rn probably aren't the smartest

civic trellis
#

but idk about quantum, hard to optimize

brittle pawn
#

i just yelled at my old guild for talking about lusting p3

balmy condor
civic trellis
#

well on mythic if you lost on 3d you just wipe

#

because enrage

#

(boss enrage at30%)

subtle tundra
#

it gets frisky after 4th

#

but what do i actually know i didnt prog sludgefist

civic trellis
#

its either with vendetta or with first pilar

balmy condor
#

Don’t have cds

subtle tundra
#

bench squad

shy dust
#

That trinket got stats every time on M sire

#

Show some respect

peak sandal
#

pog

balmy condor
shy dust
solar flicker
kind talon
slender berry
#

just need aura mastery and warrior shout and youre safe

narrow ravine
#

On a fight like huntsman, inerva, and council which dot(s) do you seek to apply and maintain on multiple targets?

undone eagle
#

guys

jade marlin
#

I know outlaw is much better in M+ than assassination but am I really doing my group a disservice if I stay assassination?

undone eagle
#

what food buff you buy for assa?

#

whats the name pls

#

i cant find

balmy condor
balmy condor
jade marlin
#

Thanks!

stoic needle
rustic whale
spark pelican
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

strange python
#

Got kicked out of my mythic prog group cuz my assassination numbers arnt there. Anyone willing to help me figure out what I can do to improve?

north nebula
#

Gonna craft Bloodfang, but question is for shoulders or helm?

stoic needle
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Why would you craft bloodfang pepehmm

stoic needle
north nebula
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Cause I want to :)

stoic needle
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Helm I guess because it has higher stats

north nebula
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Also I don't have Doomblade...

rustic whale
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what are you aiming frostwolf?

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M+ or Raid or both?

strange python
shell ivy
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does skulker work with master assassin talent

frail fossil
frail fossil
north nebula
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M+, Raid, and PvP. Rogue is my alt though

stoic needle
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You can do twisting corridors to get the mortregar template

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I mean

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Bloodfang isn't particularly good for any of those lol

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You'd be better off crafting MA first

north nebula
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Ew. Already did 8th floor Twisted. Never wanna go there again.

stoic needle
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You can do the 3rd layer to get legendaries from any wing of torghast

rustic whale
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craft MA please, its highly suggested to you because otherwise you gonna waste your soul ashes

stoic needle
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You just go in and out until you get the mortregar skin

rustic whale
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it also makes bread and butter on WQ

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even MAW elites

north nebula
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Hm... Maybe get my friend to carry me. Only 180iLvL. Fine, I'll hold out for Doomblade.

rustic whale
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Doomblade is good but for starting MA best

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up to you ofc

stoic needle
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Yeah if you want to do raid pvp and m+ you kinda want MA

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MA is quite a bit better for m+ than doomblade

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You can just spam heroics or whatever until you get that memory

rustic whale
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Doomblade = Single Target best

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MA = best for all in at start

north nebula
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Already have MA memory. Wrist, right?

rustic whale
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mostly finger

stoic needle
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Ring imo

strange python
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Ma is amazing when mob won't be Alive for long

rustic whale
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haste versa

stoic needle
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Haste/vers

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It's amazing even if they do live a long time

north nebula
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Ok. Who makes rings? JC?

stoic needle
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4 seconds of crit to start +4 more after vanish is amazing

rustic whale
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but also try to catch highest item level and crit / haste

stoic needle
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Yeah

fleet whale
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rings are generally cheaper too

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just fyi for leggos

stoic needle
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Lvl 4 ring is 75k on my server FeelsPepeHandsMan

north nebula
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Only 15k for the 190 ring on my realm, lol

rustic whale
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if you find yourself not fitting for assasin , MA lego makes you easy swap to other2 specs

fleet whale
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of course it will depend on your realm but i got my rank 3 ring for only like 40k on my server

rustic whale
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how much soul ashe do you have?

north nebula
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Rank 3 ring 51k here.

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I have 1300 soul ass

fleet whale
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190 leggos are bad value imo

rustic whale
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start with Rank1

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😄

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better than nothing

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will give you huge dps boost

stoic needle
north nebula
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I just started my rogue. So ya, rank 1 better than nothing, I can upgrade it next week

rustic whale
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if you don't have gold issues i highly recommend to start with R1

north nebula
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I am a LW, so I could make the wrists right now.

stoic needle
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Being able to choose the stats for a ring and eventually upgrade it to 235 is pretty big imo

rustic whale
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well i m seeing some players doing it on wrist, but secondary stats bettter on ring neck

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also wrist sloth has the lowest agility