assassination

[onyx wind]

As in, ever

[spice spire]

Week one I got a hateful chain when we were 6/10

[frail fossil]

idk all the mythic vault options were awful i never picked one

[spice spire]

So it could have been patched at the beginning - but at one point it was that way

Stygia gamer

[onyx wind]

I mean considering its only 1 item a lockout for me

It could just be me being unlucky

[pliant apex]

Why did ppl tell me I want to be casting vanish at min 4 CP? Ceverion just told me I can’t cast at anytime; even at 0 CP

[nimble spoke]

I decided to go back to Venthyr. I really dig SBS and Fleshcraft from Necro, but I have found that I enjoy Sin way more than outlaw. Since Sin is perfectly capable of doing 15s, I don't see the point in being the BIS covenant for M+ Outlaw if I prefer Sin

[nimble spoke]

If you look up the rotation, it'll tell you to have combo points, shiv > Vendetta > Vanish > Envenom > Mutilate > Envenom

the point is to dump those CPs into envenom with MA buff, if that's what you're running

[lofty shell]

anyone here wanna check my Hungering HC log and tell me where i can improve ?

been trying assa for a week now and i think i'm still missing something basic / essential idk

[glacial quarry]

does anyone know what the line is for changing food in sims? i kind of want to see if the exacting prep soulbind requires 20 agi food to be peak too

[compact pumice]

Does it not mention foods anywhere or the word feast?

[stoic needle]

It's better with just regular haste food as well for me

[glacial quarry]

not in the base simc copy/paste, usually it's a line added at the bottom of custom for raidbots

[pliant apex]

so this statement is incorrect? "You can cast vanish whenever, doesn't matter if it's 0 cp or 4"

[gloomy fern]

u dont wanna cast it on 4 cp if ur ds

you will either overcap or throw a noodle envenom

[pliant apex]

if im what

[gloomy fern]

if you are speced in MA that is

[desert swallow]

Is it normal for EP to sim better than Blindside with doomblade? Venthyr btw

[nimble spoke]

DS is deeper strategem

[pliant apex]

"You can cast vanish whenever, doesn't matter if it's 0 cp or 4" that not right?

im MA

[nimble spoke]

You want to use it with 5 combo points

[desert swallow]

For ST

[pliant apex]

so that statement in incorrect?

[nimble spoke]

in the opener, at least. Yes. How many times do I have to say something different? lol

[pliant apex]

see im a mediocre player and look up to great players for advice, i also take it on face value. that was said by ceverion

and i also want to trust you coz im sure youre a great player too

and idk what to do at times when such impasse happens

[nimble spoke]

You'd have to ask their reasoning as to why they'd cast it whenever

[stoic needle]

That doesn't sound normal

[nimble spoke]

Casting without having combo points means you waste time building CP for envenom, which you don't want to waste since you want to fit as many envenoms into MA talent buff as possible

[stoic needle]

It doesnt matter if you cast vanish with 0cp or 5cp because building more CP with the buff is just as effective as getting crit envenoms into the buff

[pliant apex]

yea thats def opposite to what cev said, ill ask him whes hes on next

[stoic needle]

Whispyr has simmed it several times and it doesn't particularly matter

[pliant apex]

ahhh

see bigg youre wrong

[gloomy fern]

yes you just dont want to vanish with 4cp if you are using deeper strat that is just straight up loss

[nimble spoke]

not wrong, just a different way of doing it, as oshosi just said

[gloomy fern]

which is what us aid first

you either throw a weak finisher or overcap cp

[nimble spoke]

The rotation clearly says you want to shiv into vanish into envenom, mutilate to 4+ and Envenom again

[pliant apex]

do you guys realize how confusing yall come across at times, esp to average players ..

[glacial quarry]

i guess you don't want to throw it up with 3cp then either, unless you have shiv up, since a muti will overcap

[final star]

It's not a different way of doing it

[gloomy fern]

you ask a bad question and keep cahnging the q uestion

[final star]

It's wrong

[gloomy fern]

and get diff answers

[final star]

Stop confusing people

[gloomy fern]

just never vanish on 4 cp if you play deeper strat and ma and you are fine

[pliant apex]

right shoot the messenger lovely

[strange python]

get the guns boys get got one

[topaz saffron]

🙃

[pliant apex]

but what if i dont have sepsis or shiv up at 4 cp but have vanish up?

[final star]

4cp on mfd/vigor is fine

[strange python]

how long can you wait for shiv?

[gloomy fern]

then u shiov and get 5/6cp and vanish

[strange python]

if it's like 5 seconds then just wait for shiv

[gloomy fern]

whats hard to understand

[pliant apex]

whip told me never to hold shiv

so i dont

[nimble spoke]

So yall are actively saying that it does not matter whether you cast vanish, with Master Assassin talent, with less than 5 combo points, and waste time and energy generating more

[pliant apex]

and its almost never up with ven and vanish apart from opener?

[nimble spoke]

instead of fitting as many empowered envenoms in?

[gloomy fern]

are you actually trolling or dropped as a kid

[strange python]

i mean you mostly dont need to wait

[stoic needle]

Yes

[strange python]

but play the fight right

if you're about to move or something

just hold

[pliant apex]

behave yourself kid. i dont troll im a 45 year old man

[stoic needle]

Extra cp is roughly the same impact as an envenom crit

[crimson palm]

not rly

[stoic needle]

Especially with doomblade's dot doing extra damage on crits

[nimble spoke]

So then the priority list on icy veins is incorrect?

[stoic needle]

No

It's not wrong either

It's not black or white

[final star]

Gameplay changes based on current cp

It's not as black and white as always do x or y

[pliant apex]

you know what im 100 times more confused than i was before, and i got insulted by this kid. nvm forget i said anything

[nimble spoke]

That's what people like Kieron are saying. It says on icy veins to vanish with 5 CPs for MA-buffed Envenoms

[worldly bridge]

about this, how does doomblade dot works ? If u mut full crit lets say the dot will be 6k then u mut 0crit, will it reapply a weaker dot ?

[strange python]

if you don't want to think

and use ur brain

[stoic needle]

The dot damage accumulates like ignite

[strange python]

then just only vanish when you have 5 CP

you'll be fine

[final star]

@worldly bridge no it adds to it

[stoic needle]

The difference between envenom mut envenom and mut envenom mut is so small it doesn't really matter

[nimble spoke]

Gotcha

[final star]

There is basically no difference with doomblade

[worldly bridge]

yeeeah but we want dem big numbers booooiii

xd

[final star]

It's shored up with crit doomblade values

[stoic needle]

Yeah and that's why I envenom mut envenom, it's more satisfying lol

[strange python]

if youre doing sludge and you're like 10 seconds from a pillar then holding vanish and holding shiv would probably work

[final star]

It just depends how many cp you have when vanish comes up

[nimble spoke]

So it's fair to say that the ST priority list on Icy veins isn't exactly wrong, just perhaps isn't taking DB into account and it's a little fuzzy around MA and vanish combo?

[glacial quarry]

just run zoldyck and don't have this headache

[nimble spoke]

hahaha

I'm crafting zold next. I only have 190 DB, but I'm loving sin

[final star]

This applies to zoldyck though 😭

[strange python]

it's hard to take into account everything biggs

[final star]

It's reactionary gameplay 😊

[nimble spoke]

For sure

[glacial quarry]

i just hit buttons when i see them, beep boop

[nimble spoke]

I'm liking assassination a lot, though. I realized I like dot classes way more and I enjoy sin way more than outlaw, so I'm happy to learn and improve

[final star]

Assassination big fun in raid

Not so much on m+ this week

[nimble spoke]

Yea, it's nice getting whispers from my guildies telling me great DPS and whatnot, and I'm not even optimal or built properly yet since I went sub to outlaw to sin

[glacial quarry]

i like it in m+ with friends, tbh, i play with an outlaw rogue + frost mage and they just pad on adds whilst i get the real priority dmg in

[final star]

Outlaw to assassination is a bit less punishing fortunately

[glacial quarry]

sin is really damn useful on the SD gauntlet this week, dropping kaal like crazy

[nimble spoke]

Yea, definitely. I'm glad I did that rather than the hard swap from Sub. I'm about to swap to Venthyr, though, from Necro

[final star]

Outlaw is still prio damage 🤷

[strange python]

necro sin is good no?

[pliant apex]

i get whispers from guild mates, but opposite of good dps and well done

[strange python]

im venthyr i thought necro a bit better

[final star]

Necro sin is good still

[strange python]

water just RP as a girl and date the guild leader and you wont get mean whispers anymore

big brain play

thats what i do

[nimble spoke]

Necro sin feels good, too! I like having SBS for when I'm low energy but just need a couple of CPs

But I plan to pvp, too, and Venthyr seems better for someone who wants to focus on Assassination and Subtlety. Outlaw is fun but too much wax and wane with roll the bones, imo

[pliant apex]

hehehe

[compact pumice]

Don’t be discouraged. Some of the finer points of the scenario you’re posting is discussed frequently and the nuance is in exactly how you set up the scenario. If you’re not comfortable talking about the scenario in detail then I’d say some general guidelines will serve better and those are to never really let cooldowns sit. If you have vanish up then use it with shiv, if you have no CP then do Mut>Env>Mut after vanish. If you are close to full cp before vanish comes then Env>Mut>Env (which would do slightly more damage in a vacuum but it’s more about not losing resources at this point). If you are on like 3 CP then spend an extra global getting close to max CP before doing the vanish+shiv

[final star]

Parsing this far into the tier is group reliant anyway

Always room for improvement though

I make errors all the time

[pliant apex]

thats immensely helpful and elborative, thank you very much

[final star]

Shiv can be cast if you're at max CP BTW

As long as you use it on CD

[nimble spoke]

dat nature damage buff haha

[final star]

(or hold slightly for damage amp like sludgefist)

[glacial quarry]

really? if you're at max cp and shiv comes up, it's better to just use shiv then and not delay it a couple of gcds?

[compact pumice]

I do it all the time. The times I get the shiv off to go from 5 CP to 6 feels like laying that last piece of the puzzle though

[final star]

Yes

[glacial quarry]

huh, i didn't know that, ty

[nimble spoke]

The damage buff from shiv outweighs the lost CPs

[final star]

Yeah

It applies to envenom hit

And with doomblade

It was a gain on CD before

It's slightly more of a gain now

But still plan around pooling for it

If you can

[nimble spoke]

I've been messing around with this, myself, in raid, but are there certains times it is best to pool energy?

[final star]

When shiv is going to come off cd

You're a 4-6 cp depending on talents

And you're not gonna cap energy

[nimble spoke]

that makes sense

it helps to hear the specific cases rather than just know my priority

[compact pumice]

Sometimes I pool to max though and then maybe wait a second for shiv. Should I have sent an envenom and just launched into shiv with like maybe 40 energy?

[final star]

Yes

Capping bad

It's a lot of energy wasted

With venemous wounds

Regen

[compact pumice]

But getting that third envenom in the shiv feels so good

Feel like I can’t do that without pooling

[final star]

Sitting at max energy

Is never a gain

[compact pumice]

Well the scenario we said is bad but it can be hard to gauge exactly how long it takes for the energy to cap

Yeah

[shadow helm]

can you go elab and vigor for st

[manic pebble]

bruh, I stopped playing for 2 months and they buffed sin rogue?

[nimble spoke]

yea man, Sin is great. It's a lot of fun in raid

[manic pebble]

good to hear that

[nimble spoke]

And I'm going to learn how to play it well in M+

[strange python]

It’s also fun but outlaw still on a best position for m+

[nimble spoke]

I have no interest in pushing keys. I just want KSM :p

[strange python]

But yeah assa is great also

Then it’s ok 😄

[nimble spoke]

I realized that I prefer dot classes, and I really like how Sin plays into that

[royal tundra]

I have 3.4k soul ash but I am having a hard time figuring out what to craft. I already have MA at 210. I will mainly be doing m+. Do I just make insignia?

[strange python]

I guess yes

[nimble spoke]

From what I've heard, you can't go wrong with either DB or Zold in M+

[strange python]

Zoldyck is the go-to for m+ I think

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[nimble spoke]

DB makes you funnel and more ST, Zold seems to be good on ST and great on AOE

not funnel, priority

[stoic needle]

Db is only for specific dungeons like pf, SD and top

[nimble spoke]

^

[royal tundra]

Does the slot for insignia matter?

[strange python]

Yo guys are you all spamming PF as well?

[royal tundra]

Or just whatever is a bigger upgrade

[strange python]

I got like 3 oozes and 0 phials 💔

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is good in every dungeon and every affix except sanguine depths because of the last boss

[nimble spoke]

You'll probably want both Zold and DB for those specific cases, but it seems Zold is the preferred overall for M+

[stoic needle]

It's best on legs

[shadow helm]

wat is da play GUYS

[stoic needle]

I almost have everything from plaguefall. The poxstorm still eludes me

[compact pumice]

I was but got that Phial! Finally done leaving the PF prison. At least I can get a dagger from multiple sources.

[strange python]

I got the pox, but I want the phial man.... since I will NEVER got a 226 dagger or phial on GV, already gave up after 3 months

[compact pumice]

Haven’t seen pox on my rogue main since start (except on low ilevel where it wasn’t an upgrade). Then I get two 226 Poxstorms in row in vault on my monk alt, then they nerf WW a bit after that.

[strange python]

F

[shadow helm]

why peoples use chain and PHIALS

at same timed

[stoic needle]

I got a 207 in the vault way back when and a 190 from running a +3 yesterday

The 190 is to expensive to upgrade

[strange python]

Yeah, I’m just running 15-16

I don’t wsnt to spend my tine on doing 27362 dungeons for valor

[stoic needle]

I need to upgrade the ring and gloves so I still kinda have to grind dungeons eventually

[onyx wind]

ring done

phial done

gloves next

[icy crater]

I got PF ring last night

[onyx wind]

then i cant upgrade any more items for 30 weeks :)

[icy crater]

Gotta upgrade it to 220

[stoic needle]

I regret upgrading SD ring

Cuz I thought it would take forever to get pf ring

[onyx wind]

pf ring socketed

and 220

B)

[nimble spoke]

So, if I never intend to push more than 15s in M+, and I prefer Sin to Outlaw, is there any reason to stay Necro rather than swap to Venthyr if I also raid Heroic/Low Mythic and want to pvp?

[burnt star]

why wouldnt u?, a 220 phial + 226 chain sims higher for me by a lot then skulker 226 or memory 226

[stoic needle]

Socketing 220

[iron orchid]

Well, the only reason to switch covenant with those standards is you liking the covenant ability more

[stoic needle]

Not really no, venthyr is fine for m+

[burnt star]

edited: im dumb

[nimble spoke]

I like SBS, and I like how it works with our mastery, but the main reason I went Necro is because I originally wanted to Outlaw in M+. That was before I realized I prefer Sin

I know Venthyr is better ST, so it makes sense for raid, and it's arguably best for PvP

[burnt star]

venthyr is also way better for mog

so in your situation its a win

[nimble spoke]

agreed! haha

I like that SBS can kind of fill your rotation and get you CPs when you're low energy, but that haste buff from Venthyr is enticing

[shadow helm]

🤔

[stoic needle]

Hateful chain is roughly equivalent to dreadfire vessel from the same tier with ~22% haste because the proc chance is hasted

[onyx wind]

Also IQD sims very weird on 5 minute fights

[stoic needle]

213 chain = 220 vessel, 226 chain = 233 vessel

[shadow helm]

2 CHAINZ?

[spice spire]

[rocky pecan]

Why you not Nadja? Or I missed something

[shadow helm]

fuckin hate that proc

[rocky pecan]

Ok

[spice spire]

when you’re doing prog nadjia feels so bait-y.
Once you have timings down, it’s rarely bait

[stoic needle]

Imagine not wanting to go fast

[shadow helm]

werent u a theotar simp

muh big envenoms

[compact pumice]

How are you playing differently around Thrill Seeker then?

[gloomy fern]

how is it a bait, only time it procs in a bad time is council first dance

[stoic needle]

I play both

You just play the game, sometimes it lines up sometimes it doesn't, you can't really play around it

[rocky pecan]

Why would you play around it I mean it's hast buff right? First dmg on St from assa is melee so as long it don't proc in down time when you can't hit boss its only bonus dmg

No?

[stoic needle]

Correct

[velvet cosmos]

During bosses like Huntsman & Lady Inerva, are we running subterfuge instead of the MA talent?

or is it just go with what you like? 😛

[spice spire]

It looks like 66/34 on master assassin vs subterfuge on Huntsman - mythic. It also depends on strat

Like we keep Barghast away, and that makes MA infinitely better. On inerva I’m not sure why you wouldn’t just keep MA either though

Since the adds are such an insignificant portion of the fight

[burnt star]

u can vanish and garrote all add, but.. indeed they arent up enough in heroic

in mythic though thats another thing

[spice spire]

Even in mythic, master assassin is still in use 97% of the time. Seems better

[velvet cosmos]

Yea I just swapped to Assa for raiding and trying to wrap my head around what im doing 😄

[spice spire]

For innerva

And you’re good, no worries! It’s good to ask questions 🙂

[lilac ridge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[strange python]

Hello those out there that run mut for m+ how do you feel your aoe cleave is compared to outlaw? Obvi the ST is stronger at this point, but jw if you loose enough dps during adds to make it silly to go mut in m+

Cleave is a little more hectic for outlaw compared to mut, so that's why I'm asking.

[nimble spoke]

If you run Zold with good stats, it seems to do fine in M+. If you're trying to push high keys, it seems that a majority of people would recommend outlaw. High keys meaning around 20+, to my understanding

I prefer the more methodical playstyle of sin, so I've recently started to pick it up in M+

also, it's a minor thing, but RtB feels really bad to me, most of the time. Feels great when you get good/5 buffs, but every other time I can't help but be a bit disappointed with it

[dense narwhal]

What slot should I make MA for?

I was thinking of getting it for Necrotic Wake

I already have 235 Zold

Should I just focus on building up doomblad?

[onyx wind]

Its fixed for MA

for NW

[dense narwhal]

Ahh

So maybe I'll keep Zold as my m+ dary

and just build doomblade

[strange python]

Yea I have all at 12+ so I am looking to get 15s and that's it...don't care about higher.

I swapped to assassination in 9.0.5 and started off with doomblade and I think I should've done zoldyck first

[dense narwhal]

So no point getting MA?

[frozen jasper]

Assa is perfectly fine for 15s

[onyx wind]

zoldyck is good for m+

doomblade is good for parsing

[fleet thorn]

I like MA for keys as assassin

[dense narwhal]

I might make it anyway

Which slot for MA?

Making doomblade hands

[strange python]

Ok so that was my next question...which lego to build. zold for m+ and doom for raid?

[frozen jasper]

Yeah those are the Go to

[strange python]

Oofh...really wish I leveled my rogue sooner. I spent the first 2 months just doing my shaman. So I am 2 months behind on ash, rip. And I did the subt lego first and then that spec got nerfed...taking lots of Ls here. Hahaha

[iron orchid]

I'd make MA on ring if you have meh ones, otherwise wrist is nice, gives more agility

[dense narwhal]

My wrist is lower than my rings, so I think it's perfect

[dense narwhal]

I'm planning to switch from my shaman too lol

I main ele, but they've been wanted me to also heal from time to time, which I don't mind

But as sin, it's DPS or bust! lol

[strange python]

Lol exactly. I started enh, and I really do love the enh flow, blizz legit did a great job with it (once you hit 21% haste haha) I just always go back to the rogue; she's home. Lol

[crimson palm]

[thorny rose]

I’m p sure I know the answer but you don’t have to refresh bleeds to gain the Zoldy damage bonus under 30% right?

like it will apply to existing bleeds as soon as the target crosses the threshold

[strange python]

afaik it applies dynamically yeah

i dont think it snapshots

[thorny rose]

cooool beans

[deft rampart]

How are yall liking assassination for raiding after the patch?

[thorny rose]

I figured since blizz got rid of most dot snapshotting except for feral druids with tigers fury but wanted to be sure

[strange python]

yee

Hand is less crampy from outlaw spam so good

[deft rampart]

Haha nice

I did like 6 keys in a row as outlaw the other day, my hands were hurting

[strange python]

^ another reason I am looking to step away from outlaw in m+ haha

[wild lion]

Master Assassin (talent) doesnt affect trinkets, or?

[strange python]

but then again...I might just say screw it, and make doom first to raid mut and stick to outlaw in m+ for another couple weeks after to craft a m+ lego...shit...5 weeks to crazy doom and then on the 6th get my zold and take a big stat/ilvl hit. woof

Anyone giving ash loans?

[stoic needle]

No it doesn't

[stoic needle]

If you don't want to play outlaw why not just craft zoldyck first? It works in raids and m+

[spice spire]

I’m doing a 15 ToP tonight, do I int by running Doomblade on fortified?

[strange python]

True, but doom is more optimum in raids than zold.

[stoic needle]

The minibosses get fortified into basically bosses

[spice spire]

Wait actually

Not a complete int

[stoic needle]

Yeah they get beefy

[stoic needle]

No one will be able to tell the difference quite frankly lol

You can craft a 190 doomblade and a 190 zoldyck

Doomblade even at low ilvl does a lot of damage, you don't have to rank it up for it to be worth using

[strange python]

I was just checking out the #s for doom/zold in raid (ST) and m+ (MT)... and for ST doom is roughly +250 dps and in MT zold is only roughly +30 dps

[knotty sparrow]

@strange python yeah ive been saying zoldycks needs a buff

[stoic needle]

That doesn't sound right

[strange python]

I have thought about that as another option tbh

[knotty sparrow]

its good but it needs to be great

[stoic needle]

It was boring when zoldyck was the best legendary for all content tbh

It's better this way

[knotty sparrow]

it needs to be more than +30dps over a doomblade in MT though

[stoic needle]

It is

You're confusing dungeon slice with aoe

[knotty sparrow]

in pins

oh i see

[strange python]

Yea...I go back and forth. It was nice that for enh it was doom winds for all content...but then it is kinda nice to change game play a little bit to cater to your lego.

[iron orchid]

I've played both MA and Zoldyck in M+ and lately I likes MA more, but this week is so hard with MA, so I got back to Zold and it still feels nice after getting some more gear

[strange python]

You're right, I just assumed dungeon splice was aoe, my apologies.

[stoic needle]

In actual aoe zoldyck is quite a bit higher than doomblade, doomblade sims well in dungeon slice because dungeon slice has a lot of single target

[lofty yarrow]

did any1 try assass 21+ mythics ?
i personally grinded my way to 2.1K rating , is it worth it to switch assass for mythic+ or still outlaw is better ?

[iron orchid]

around 50% of DS is equivalent to a ST situation

so yeah

[stoic needle]

I'm playing outlaw this week, fuck trying to get restealths

[strange python]

I understand where you're coming from now with that logic.

[spice spire]

[knotty sparrow]

@lofty yarrow outlaw for fort weeks IMO

[iron orchid]

Well some people have, but I'm afraid none of them will answer you here

[iron orchid]

And outlaw is still better in M+

[stoic needle]

Get zerocool in here

[iron orchid]

this week for example, playing sin is REALLY boring

those spiteful shades have so many downsides for us

[spice spire]

Spiteful is a fun affix, what do you mean Deï? 🙂

[stoic needle]

Feels like shit, can't even play ma/ks build

[spice spire]

I love running simulator 2021 🙂

[strange python]

Yea, I can see spiteful being a bitch when trying to get restealths

[quasi ledge]

Spiteful keeping you in combat and Greivous knocking you out of stealth if you do manage it, definitely a fun week for Assass :p

[iron orchid]

exactly

[strange python]

Lol yea for sure

[stoic needle]

Cloaked in shadows and prepared for all are bis this week

[spice spire]

I also ran grievous as a blood dk last night and yo fuck that noise. All my homies hate grievous and spiteful

[strange python]

Makes it even crazier that I did a 12 ToP without a healer the other night lol. Timed it too. Haha

[iron orchid]

I mean, OL this week is a lot better, you are less dependent on your restealth, have higher range, can reduce evasion's cd to tank the shades

[spice spire]

Gaming

[iron orchid]

There's no way you'd pick sin over ol this week

I am gonna play some outlaw keys to train, just because I can't bear playing sin in these conditions x)

[spice spire]

Wait

HUH.

You played sin during the darkest of times. If you’re swapping.

Yikes

[iron orchid]

I just got a weapon to play outlaw, gonna take it up to 220 and i'll try that

I'm a pretty bad outlaw player

[stoic needle]

I'd play all 3 specs if sub wasn't a dumpster fire

[spice spire]

Also grats on the 220s Deï

[strange python]

Sub is easily the most fun of the 3. Hands down.

[spice spire]

I’d play sub and sin.

Outlaw will forever be tainted as the forbidden spec to me

[iron orchid]

I've actually only started playing WoW for 2 years now and spend 90% of the time on sin rogue and the rest on an enh sham

I'm bad at everything else

x)

[strange python]

i played sub 6 years ago :p

[compact pumice]

Outlaw / Sin is tied for most fun, depending on situation

[spice spire]

Because on combat rogue

[compact pumice]

Sub is too boring

[iron orchid]

226 from the vault after grinding the 220s

upgraded my neck from HoA too

[spice spire]

What a gamer. I’m a year into it after a decade long break

[iron orchid]

so i'm at 225.6 ilvl now

[spice spire]

HUGE.

[iron orchid]

can't upgrade shit anymore

[spice spire]

I’m still on the lookout for weapons smh

This is the week

[iron orchid]

We have to down more bosses in the M raid but yesterday's raid was canceled because we have a lot of people who got sick

[spice spire]

Are you guys 5/10?

[iron orchid]

6/10 now

working on council

[spice spire]

PROGGERS. Good shit

[iron orchid]

we are about 3-4 hrs in and got to the last boss 1 time

[spice spire]

I feel like the first few bosses deadass drop nothing for us

[iron orchid]

I'd say 35ish trys

[iron orchid]

yup

council has the weapon, sludge has the chain

[spice spire]

The boots on council also aren’t bad

[iron orchid]

I guess I'd be pretty happy if we got sludge down before 9.1 at least

eventhough I'm really hoping we can work it to CE

[spice spire]

Inerva is first boss where it’s like oh shit gear

[iron orchid]

there's the chest too

[iron orchid]

You could get skulker's or devourer's chest

But the first upgrade according to my droptimizer is the chain

[strange python]

You still have a good couple months before 9.1

[iron orchid]

During blizzcon they said they'd push 9.1 ptr soon after 9.0.5 goes live, so I hope they do so

and give us a release date too

I'm kinda unsure i'll be able to play as much after the 10th of May

[strange python]

Fair enough

I just figured 9.0.5 was (close) to the half way mark. I didn't see Blizzcon tbh

[stoic needle]

226 chain is basically a dreadfire

Imagine being in a guild tho

[dim phoenix]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[knotty sparrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/38hPReA9Mu9aWVbTfr4tMs

https://tenor.com/view/woop-woop-having-fun-happy-delight-fun-gif-13071360

[spice spire]

Any luck at all?

[tropic echo]

im assuming shiv buffs the damage from phial and that's why it sims so high lol

[marsh yew]

It does not

[tropic echo]

what the shit

idek

[knotty sparrow]

Only 222

I’m excited for raid tonight

Hopefully juicy parses

[stoic needle]

Phial is just OP

[stoic needle]

Every guild I've found there has been struggling to fill their raids

[spice spire]

Do you want me to put feelers out for the mythic Mal’ganis guilds for you papa? Will vouch

[sturdy mesa]

U wanna play Nadija ye?

[spice spire]

For raid, ye

[stoic needle]

Yes pls

[spice spire]

Yessir

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna try to pug mythic this weekend for some logs I guess

[forest swallow]

@stoic needle you looking for a guild on mal ganis?

[stoic needle]

On any server that's not dead tbh

I'm on wyrmrest accord

[forest swallow]

Oh cool. I think we are trying to get one or two more dps for a roster. We just killed xymox Tuesday 6/10 now

[icy crater]

just xfered off mal'ganis to a52

[forest swallow]

How could you

[icy crater]

idk dead server

[forest swallow]

Is a52 horde or alliance

[icy crater]

genuinely couldn't find a guild

horde

[pure moth]

You came to the right server

[gusty mirage]

Welcome brother

[civic trellis]

lol assa rise, cn hc is full of outlaw rogues trying assa

xD

[forest swallow]

Haha true

I swapped to assa for xymox it feels good

[civic trellis]

Pulled 5.9k following raidbots rotation guide

XD

[stoic needle]

That sounds sick, what times do you guys raid

[subtle kiln]

it’s not a dead server, but it’s not exactly full of guilds pushing mythic.

[icy crater]

srry the dead server thing was sarcasm

I just found it tough to find a guild

[subtle kiln]

you’re melee dps

not surprising

[spice spire]

I mean it’s not exactly easy. Mal’ganis is more spiky than most servers

[subtle kiln]

Mal is just weird

[spice spire]

By that I mean they prioritize what is “good at the moment” over skill

[icy crater]

Yeah, I mean I also had 3 ranged looking with me. Which probably made it more weird

[subtle kiln]

no one wants groups

not as a recruiter

[icy crater]

they do if they have a few shitters they want to replace

[subtle kiln]

nope

hard pass.

[icy crater]

ok

[forest swallow]

@stoic needle Tuesday Wednesday Thursday 8 est to 11est. You got any logs I can show the our GM?

[icy crater]

I mean in general you're probably right but the guild I'm in had a few people to replace and took us so

[subtle kiln]

cliques moving into prog raiding is oof

[icy crater]

You're stuffed with assumptions as well

[subtle kiln]

it’s called experience of dealing with it

[icy crater]

unlucky then

I happen to raid with pretty mature individuals luckily

[subtle kiln]

a group of friends moves together. one gets pissy they all do

[icy crater]

That's not how we roll but I can see that happening

[subtle kiln]

maybe not at the start but as soon as your buddy gets benched permanently it changes the dynamic

[icy crater]

nah

it doesn't

we've been raiding together since legion

[subtle kiln]

so three of you are ok with one sitting on the bench?

[icy crater]

yes

[subtle kiln]

cool

[stoic needle]

Jordan I think your friends are not representative of the norm

That's rare

[icy crater]

That's fine, I'm just talking about my guild finding experience

[subtle kiln]

“hey guys how’s 8/10m looking?” I got 35 seconds off my fastest torghast time while you all were raiding again.

[icy crater]

its obviously not representitive of anything

[civic trellis]

XDDD

[rare flint]

me sitting on kil’jaeden hearing “dead server” to mal😢

[icy crater]

its not dead man it was a joke

also gen chat in CN on mal'ganis is abnormal

[sacred isle]

Talking dead server? I was on korg’all until I switched guilds 🙂

[balmy condor]

Mal’ganis dead?

[icy crater]

ah yes

whispyr

[sacred isle]

800 pepz or something

[icy crater]

I should have known

[balmy condor]

[icy crater]

I guess I deserve that

for all the times I trolled you

[rare flint]

Hows yalls experience with venthyr vs night fae since 9.0.5

[icy crater]

tbh

kinda miss fae ngl

[balmy condor]

I’m fairly happy with venthyr

Door is pretty meh

[clever scroll]

What do you guys think about the legendary power Deadly shadows ? “15% all damage for 15 sec and 5 cp for using vanish” paired with master assassin

[balmy condor]

But aside from that no complaints

[balmy condor]

I think it’s dogshit

[clever scroll]

I’m pretty new so bare with me 😅😂 I thought 15% all damage would be better than doom blades buff on just envenom 🤷🏼‍♂️

[balmy condor]

The dot is like 5-6% of your damage

And then the envenom on top of it

Makes it like a 7.5% legendary

[calm temple]

I just bounced off KJ server it was pretty dead man

[clever scroll]

Wym? I don’t quite understand

[rare flint]

Yeah kj sucks. Ive been on it for years and all my alts are there sadly

[balmy condor]

Doomblade has 2 parts, the bleed and the envenom buff

The bleed alone is over 5% of your damage

[rare flint]

Doom gives you 7.5% increase damage overall on a boss. Deadly shadows is like 5%

If that

[balmy condor]

Yeh for some reason it didn’t sim when I did pins

But it’s just not good

[ebon bramble]

ew venthyrs. its all about necrolords. dnt you guys want cleave/aoe!?

[clever scroll]

Doom blade only effects the dot from envenom right? And obviously the dot it gives mutilate

[balmy condor]

What

[clever scroll]

It doesn’t say all damage it just says it buffs envenoms damage

[balmy condor]

Doomblade makes mutilate bleed the enemy

And increases envenom damage

Per bleed

[ebon bramble]

double benefit!

[rare flint]

No, envenoms damage is buffed for how many bleeds you have on the target with doom

[clever scroll]

And shadows increases all damage from all dots ? How wouldn’t that relate to more damage?

Not arguing I’m just trying to learn sorry

[dense bramble]

envenom has no dot

[rare flint]

Because that legendary has shit uptime vs doom is 100% uptime for a damage boost

[balmy condor]

15 seconds is nothing

[clever scroll]

That’s a good way to think about it too

[balmy condor]

Also dots aren’t a big part of your damage

[civic trellis]

dot counts?

[sterile talon]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[civic trellis]

Nice

[rare flint]

Maybe for a 30 sec boss fight deadly shadows is better. But on actual bosses that last for more than that its terrible

[clever scroll]

What’s the main damage component on assassin ? Envenom?

[rare flint]

Go to warcraftlogs and check out some parses to see breakdowns of what abilities hit hardest

[civic trellis]

env / melee / poisons

[dense bramble]

when empowered by doomblade with mutilate dot, garrote, rupture (in my case too) yes

[balmy condor]

Poisons are the highest, then usually envenom and melee are close

[dense bramble]

then will be your auto attacks, then your instant poison and garrote/rupture

[balmy condor]

And then it drops off into like rupture, garrote,

[ebon bramble]

❤️ necro. more envenom damage

[clever scroll]

I’m trying to make a cheese 1 shot kinda bursty combo quick damage for RBG fun , trying to pick the 2 leggies I’m gonna run lol, thanks for input

[civic trellis]

@balmy condor do you know if there is a breakdown about for how many seconds is worth to overwrite garrote/rupture out of pandemic if they are going to expire on shiv windows?

[clever scroll]

You Guys are helpful lol

[civic trellis]

i am taking 2-3 secs out of pandemic but with no numbers behind

[balmy condor]

There’s no gain to doing overwrites out of pandemic according to sims

[civic trellis]

So even if they are going to expire on shiv windows i don't reapply them out of pandemic, even if that means i am going to reapply them in shiv windows

right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[civic trellis]

Okay thanks

[nimble tartan]

guys why did nobody tell me that i should have mind numbing poisons always in raid vs bosses?

[civic trellis]

Yeah, it helps with some enrages

at council mainly

[nimble tartan]

doesnt it help on attack speed slow

like always

[balmy condor]

Yeah it does

But it’s not that giga

[civic trellis]

yep but i meant it as extra

[nimble tartan]

its actually pretty giga on like denath

lke curse of weakness AND mind numbing stacks

[stoic needle]

i tried to sim deathly shadows to see if it could be useful as a burst legendary

[nimble tartan]

i didnt know

[stoic needle]

500 dps worse than MA

[civic trellis]

Kappa

[worn path]

MA, master poisoner, night stalker, mfd, well placed steel conduit

Garrotte and rupture up on the target, 4/5 CP, flag, shiv, vendetta, vanish, envenom, mfd envenom.

Promise they’re dead.

[stoic needle]

EP > MP for the cheese burst

[kindred scarab]

If I'm new to Assassination, does it matter if I craft Doomblade/Zoldyck? I'll be doing M+ with some alt run Heroic Nathria

[stoic needle]

and get DFA

you want to vanish envenom mfd DFA

with septic shock

[balmy condor]

Doomblade is better cleave/single target, zold is better aoe

They’re both good though

[stoic needle]

and be venthyr for flag

[worn path]

DFA takes too long to hit and has time for them to get a defensive off. You gotta do it fast because there’s no stun. They just won’t expect the damage and that’s why it’s good

[kindred scarab]

If I missed this past week's Torghast, should I just craft Zoldyck this week then?

since Doomblade is from Torghast right?

[balmy condor]

You can just spam the first levels in twisting corridor for the legendary you want

Zold is also torg

[kindred scarab]

ohhh okay gotcha. I'll probably spam layer 1 then. I'm like barely 180 ilevel right now

[stoic needle]

i think you need to be able to do lvl 3 twisting to get legendaries though

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s still layer 3 only

Grab a buddy

[kindred scarab]

ahhh okay maybe i will need some gear then lol

[stoic needle]

depends on what level rbgs you're doing... most people in low cr rbgs wont pop defensives at all lol

[lusty surge]

hey all, im playing NF rn and i dont mind taking the 200 dps loss, but is there any indication of how venthyr or nf might scale in the future?

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

How it might...scale?

[worn path]

Still builds good habits for when you improve 🙂 I’ve one shot guardian Druid fc’s with that combo in rbgs. It’s disgusting.

[hazy halo]

!bis

[lusty surge]

yeah i dont know how the covenant spells scale with stats if at all

[hazy halo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[lusty surge]

so if the dps loss is gonna be static im ok

[stoic needle]

it's quite hilarious that no one respects/expects sin rogue burst

[lusty surge]

but if venthyr is gonna get way better over time i might reconsider

[gentle gyro]

inhales deeply

[balmy condor]

% wise will be static, yes

[lusty surge]

sorry if im not clear

yea thats all i need thanks

[gentle gyro]

S C A L I N G

[balmy condor]

But scaling is fucking nonsense

[stoic needle]

[balmy condor]

So just don’t bother thinking about it

[lusty surge]

i wont as long as i know its not a thing

thats all im after hehe

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/3IVduzg.png
FeelsMeleeMan

[worn path]

It’s actually gross man. My friend is a glad hpal and he died without bubbling and just said “oh wow” two globals 35K + damage with just envenom. Nvm flag

[subtle kiln]

it'll get better, get worse or stay the same once they add more soulbind stuff

[balmy condor]

For all we know they might just double the damage on kyrian

Or add a new soulbind

that’s insane

[lusty surge]

yea

[stoic needle]

soulshape will always be OP enough that fae will always be viable

[lusty surge]

for 9.1 i wont stress it

[gentle gyro]

at least for pvp

[lusty surge]

thanks for the answer

[balmy condor]

Np

[worn path]

When 9.1 rolls around another cov could be bis, we won’t know until then

[gentle gyro]

that's what we pay him for

[balmy condor]

Wait I’m getting paid?

[gentle gyro]

any and all questions should be directed to @stoic needle

[balmy condor]

[stoic needle]

pardon me?

[icy crater]

have all covs 40 before 9.1

🧠

[subtle kiln]

can’t wait for 9.1 mastery scaling

[gentle gyro]

that's really big brain

[stoic needle]

even if something else becomes bis i will stay venthyr

[ebon bramble]

damn pretty crazy how good assassination is for 2 target cleave O_o

i did not think it would be decent LOl

[gentle gyro]

huh what

if sin ever had a niche it was 2 target cleave

[ebon bramble]

even 3 targets seems pretty strong

[gentle gyro]

3 and upwards outlaw starts to compete

[icy crater]

wym starts to

outlaw dumpsters sin

[gentle gyro]

does he already on 3 ?

[ebon bramble]

ya. outlaw dumpsters sin in every aspect of the game

[knotty sparrow]

except ST

and fun

[gentle gyro]

na pretty sure sin is better on 2 targets

[balmy condor]

Sin and outlaw is roughly equal on 3

[icy crater]

I'm literally responding to a specific comment

[balmy condor]

Sin is better on 2

[icy crater]

not the entire game

[balmy condor]

Past that outlaw stomps

[ebon bramble]

they need to buff sin aoe

[knotty sparrow]

if they buffed sin aoe outlaw would die

[icy crater]

yeah sin is really hurting right now

[balmy condor]

No they don’t

[icy crater]

itso garbage and needs more buffs

and a raid CD while we're at it

then we can finally be brought to a +3

[balmy condor]

Specs can be weak at stuff

Stop trying to make every spec do everything

[worn path]

Outlaw only wins because outlaw has short pinky’s

[icy crater]

I don't even know how to respond

[muted ridge]

I can't see it on guide. Do I put Zoldyck on Feet or Legs? or it doesnt matter?

[knotty sparrow]

if a zoldyck wore pants would he wear them like this or like this

[balmy condor]

Legs

[ebon bramble]

do you guys have doomblade on shoudlers or gloves?

[balmy condor]

Gloves

[icy crater]

gloves

[muted ridge]

Cheers Whisp

[icy crater]

but for you shoulders

since you prob wont get mythic slg shoulders

[gentle gyro]

also gloves, 0 chance i get to slg on the rogue

[muted ridge]

Actually, after 9.0.5 buffs, is Zoldyck still better than Doomblade on Danny progress?

[subtle kiln]

flip a coin

[loud silo]

Why does everyone always think a buff is the answer, "meta" classes dont matter unless youre hardcore pushing

If you play well you will perform

simple

[dawn ivy]

yo does doomblade dot "ignite" or does it just overwrite

[frail fossil]

ignite u mean stacks up damage ?

[loud silo]

it works like ignite

[frail fossil]

does it ?

[loud silo]

im pretty sure

[icy crater]

ignite has a long cd and does true damage

[frail fossil]

ignite ramps up in damage the more u apply it i am not sure doomblade works like that

[loud silo]

ignite is a passive...

it does

[fleet anchor]

It is an ignite yes

[frail fossil]

oh damn that's cool didn't know

[loud silo]

otherwise how can i get a damage diff of 100 to 1k

example not actual numbers

[ebon bramble]

lol

[frail fossil]

doomblade doesn't pandemic tho right ?

[ebon bramble]

no

[gusty mirage]

Do I just accept that my dps will be miserable on council prog? Because that fight is literally atrocious in every manner

[loud silo]

Getting the kill > Dps

[balmy condor]

It does on duration but obviously it’s worthless because the damage ramps anyway

[gusty mirage]

We’ll get there eventually, so far lowest we got is stavros to 50%

[loud silo]

You doing NSF?

[sleek sparrow]

Idk as sin, just cuz attendants are consistent through the fight unless your ranged kill em quickly your dots are gonna be real sadbois

[compact pumice]

You died during intermission?

[sleek sparrow]

He's doing mythic

[loud silo]

Nah LFR

[icy crater]

Do you remember how your first night on council went?

[sleek sparrow]

I always thought I was worthless on council but I always ended up being near the top for attendant and stav+nik damage

Numbers near the end will looks a lot different, but you really can't compare yourself to the top if they have allot of free aoe padding

[loud silo]

Sometimes you just gotta accept that sin looks bad on the charts in aoe

[frail fossil]

i mean u can play other specs for council prog

if u dont like council as assa

[loud silo]

just play sub

[sleek sparrow]

I mean it'll look the same as outlaw or sub early on too

[twin bolt]

Yo guys, how "hard" is the assasination priority list as a venthyr compared to outlaw rogue?

[sleek sparrow]

Having the boss dps checks is what matters most on that fight anyways

[frail fossil]

not hard

[worn path]

Recital while boogying down with dancing fever.

[loud silo]

nothing about rogue is hard, just practice it a few times on a target dummy

[frail fossil]

council is a miserable experience as a dps that isn't called boomkin u just need to get over with it and kill attendant

[gusty mirage]

Yeah we were all dying to recital

[short token]

guys, if i'm going to use assass solely for single target, what leggo and slot do i wanna use it on? oh and which stats?

[icy crater]

k makes me feel good lol

[gusty mirage]

It was getting better after 20ish pulls. We were cleanly getting Frieda down. Now to tackle stavros and get our shadow priests to stop dying to recitals early

[icy crater]

By pull 12 we got 2nd dude to 20%

[arctic venture]

Guys cant see the conduct picture for assassing

assassination.

do we have a better one?

Forget it guys, I got it! 😉

[balmy condor]

Haste crit doom

[gusty mirage]

I’m going to quit my wow career and start becoming a factorio god like @balmy condor

[sleek sparrow]

The worst part of council is when your RL tells you that p3 is the only real prog

[gusty mirage]

My fav is missed kicks during recital (:

[sleek sparrow]

Those and the image of Frieda after you get pushed out to the middle of the room from dancing fools are the best

[lean coral]

which conduit is being used in the dungeonslice venthyr sim?

[balmy condor]

Lashing

[lean coral]

so theotar with lashing and wasteland

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[lean coral]

kk ty

[short token]

guys, if i'm going to use assass solely for single target, what leggo and slot do i wanna use it on? oh and which stats?

[loud silo]

doomblade hands

crit/haste

[balmy condor]

Still haste crit doomblade, just like I answered 5 minutes ago

[loud silo]

maybe you should make it a pin

[balmy condor]

Maybe all that information is already pinned

[loud silo]

what a joke nobody checks the pins lmao

it is

[short token]

@balmy condor sorry didn't see thta, ty

[iron orchid]

I feel that sentence so much, I think we have the exact same raiding experience x)

[glass fulcrum]

@loud silo i usually check them

[abstract helm]

How much better is zoldyk for sire? Is it worth crafting over doom if I can just make one?

I know it's subjective

[crimson grove]

Quick question,
Does anyone know if Embrace of Kimbul (Zandalari troll racial) works with the bonus dmg on Doomblades?

[balmy condor]

It’s a couple percent in execute

[balmy condor]

It does nothing

[crimson grove]

kk gotcha ty for help

[balmy condor]

Np

[abstract helm]

Sounds like I'm just going doom then, and enjoy more dps getting to p3

[balmy condor]

Yeah doom is more overall damage

Usually on prog that doesn’t matter

Since p3 is the only phase that matters

[brave birch]

some noobie Qs about shiv:
When shiv comes off cd, is it better to build some CPs first to be able to envenom immediately after the shiv? or just press it immediately?
With shiv + vendetta, is the goal just to shiv sometime during vendetta, or should you try to align with start?

[deft vault]

@balmy condor in a pure singl target setting , Necrolord with MA , in MA window would it be better to sbs sbs envenom or envenom mut envenom?

[balmy condor]

Just press it on cooldown, but if you have the ability to pool beforehand, go for it. Shiv anytime during vendetta is fine

[balmy condor]

You don’t sbs during MA window, neither the lego, nor the talent

[noble ridge]

I love the pinned sims thanks @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Np

[brave birch]

@balmy condor thanks!

[noble ridge]

what are your thoughts on bursting all three bone spikes (Necro ability) vs. targeting three different enemy, both pvp and pve

[undone eagle]

what do u guys prefer in m+

doom or MA

[balmy condor]

Pve wise, If you have the ability to cleave the dot, you cleave the dot

[balmy condor]

Ma personally, but doom is solid, especially in ToP or tyrannical weeks

[undone eagle]

ty

[noble ridge]

Sorry, rogue isnt my main, but what do you mean cleave the dot?

[balmy condor]

Sbs is a dot

So you want that on as many targets as possible

[noble ridge]

so just target those others or mouse over if macro'd just like the other dots?

[balmy condor]

However you cast other dots

[knotty sparrow]

Tab dot tab dot tab dot

[noble ridge]

Thats what ive been doing, just your verbiage on the word "cleave" confused me.

[balmy condor]

It’s the same as subterfuge garrotes or multidotting ruptures

Cleave is 2-4 targets

[knotty sparrow]

Cleave it up one two

[noble ridge]

if only it worked like the disc priest spell and could spread it to those close to the target

Do you find it important to leave one spike available at all times vs. blowing all three?

[fading wigeon]

I am starting to doubt the phial actually drops from PF

It's a lie

[balmy condor]

During m+ trash, kinda

You can snipe resets like you would mfd

Which is good

But if you hold for too long then obviously you lose a lot of damage

[noble ridge]

I do love the increased uptake we get with the talent when it comes to combo points

[spice spire]

Hey @balmy condor what was the thing in the bottom left of your stream that displayed the abilities you were using?

[balmy condor]

Trufigcd

[eternal steeple]

Hello guys ! Did you have a wa like the one of infexious gaming ? with just dots and buff displayed and nothing more :p

[loud silo]

wtf whispyr plays RL

you filthy animal

[ebon bramble]

i like how almost equal dashing and doomblade is O_o

dnt think ive seen 2 legendaries in any class to be so close to each other lol

that is bis

[slender urchin]

I’ve done 8 this week, each with an average of 3 other people who could trade it to me...no dice Pepehands

[balmy condor]

Rocket league, path of exile, warcraft, factorio :P

I get around

[stoic needle]

sanguine depths is fucking cancer this week holy shit

fuck keys this week

[lost mist]

need that ring 😢

[frail fossil]

me every week

[sleek sparrow]

Factorio "spaghetti simulator"

[stoic needle]

man its shit even as outlaw

like wtf

[balmy condor]

Pyanadons

[sleek sparrow]

Remember the only good bug is a dead bug

[loud silo]

Too bad you're NA, would love to play

[spice spire]

You slut. But also thanks for trufig 🙂

[balmy condor]

Trufi is weird cause it tracks rupture like 4 times per cast

[dense bramble]

it generate CP the more targets affected by the dot

[balmy condor]

But otherwise it’s fine

[dense bramble]

1 + 1 per target

[spice spire]

I saw that, but I was like eh maybe he’s a filthy masher

[balmy condor]

Nah, it tracks casts, not presses

[loud silo]

why not just use the details streamer plugin?

[balmy condor]

People complained that it was harder to see

[loud silo]

fair

[balmy condor]

I mean aside from the rupture jank, it’s fine

[dense bramble]

why?

[stoic needle]

you basically can't stealth for 60% of the dungeon

[balmy condor]

And usually it’s pretty easy to be like “oh there’s no way he’s casting 4 ruptures in one gcd, that’s just a bug or something” and move on

[loud silo]

sanguine depths is aids every week lmao

[balmy condor]

But every now and then people get really confused

[dense bramble]

isnt it just the last corridor?

[stoic needle]

spiteful keeps you in combat to prevent restealths, greivous knocks you out of stealth when you do get into it, and the gauntlet prevents restealths

it's fucking awful

[balmy condor]

I was malding yesterday

[loud silo]

you can get restealths in the gauntlet but the timing is really tight

[balmy condor]

My tank even waited for spiteful

[spice spire]

Yes you were

[balmy condor]

And then grievous would pull me out

And I would just fucking scream

[spice spire]

Your salt was what I went to sleep to

[stoic needle]

this is "fuck rogue" week

[spice spire]

That’s the little brain move, osh.

The big brain is knowing that every week is fuck rogue week

[stoic needle]

[pearl canyon]

is bottled flayedwings procrate is increased by our passive "improved poisons"?

[balmy condor]

No

[spice spire]

It is not

[pearl canyon]

i guess then phial is better overall, right?

with the same ilvl

[stoic needle]

yes it is

[burnt star]

yes

[balmy condor]

Not a single trinket interacts with anything in our kit

[sleek sparrow]

Always

Phial just slaps

[burnt star]

what do we get next week as affix?

[balmy condor]

Inspire necro tyrannical

[stoic needle]

ackshually the ooze gang procs from our dots, i get a higher procrate with sin than i do with law

[burnt star]

o.. ez!

good week for assa ❤️

[spice spire]

Next week is a banger

[balmy condor]

Next week is a banger for not logging into the game

[spice spire]

We’re allowed to post links right?

[sleek sparrow]

Next week is sucks to tank week

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Next week is a banger if you hate yourself

https://mythicpl.us

[stoic needle]

i love self harm

[spice spire]

This is a good site to have handy

[stoic needle]

instead of actually doing something negative to myself i just pug m+

ez

[spice spire]

You know what’s actually “I hate myself week” playing a blood dk when grievous is this week and necrotic is next week

[loud silo]

hating yourself is playing blood dk at all

[spice spire]

Oh boy do I

[late badge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[warm parcel]

Nothing should Buuuut theres some specs that still have.

Only one for rog I know worked was fixed and that was the MA

Others still have some tricks

[loud silo]

MA not working with trinkets is kinda poo poo

[warm parcel]

Well it was real too good and got nerfed in legion

Then they forgot and remembered and here we are

[undone eagle]

guys since i have sub gear on and if i play assa now, will my life sucks cuz i got 8% haste stats? 😂

[balmy condor]

[dense hamlet]

get some haste

cuz u should allready have crit

from sub gear

and u gucci

[undone eagle]

ye

[loud silo]

sin with 8% haste

[undone eagle]

my stats

[dense hamlet]

yeah that crit is nice

sim ur stats probably haste sims like a solid 2

[gentle gyro]

i mean 8% haste isn't much but 30% crit

hoh boy

[frigid kestrel]

Stat spread might work in M+ decently

[cold sparrow]

A question about having 2 targets (e.g. Huntsman). When I use Vendetta, do I still apply the bleeds on the 2nd target (garrote, rupture) or just Envenom the primary target while Vendetta is running?

[balmy condor]

Dot both

Then vendetta

[subtle kiln]

!bis

!whispyr

!useless

[balmy condor]

!beatyoassintonextyear

[frigid kestrel]

I typically put a full 28 second Rup and Garrote on one and then do the same on the next and immediate Vendetta.

[stoic needle]

while vendetta is running you do want to try to slam envenoms though

[frigid kestrel]

Yes, which is why i full bleed both before i vendetta

[subtle kiln]

how the fuck am I supposed to know if doomblade is 1) bis and 2) if it goes on shoulders or hands.

conflicting reports from team flower/infexious and team wcl

[frigid kestrel]

so i dont have to worry about bleeds and i can pump them envenoms out

[warm parcel]

I mean scath

[cold sparrow]

yea makes sense

[warm parcel]

Flowi out of all people crafted dash on a cloak

And I have absolutely no clue why

[stoic needle]

@frail fossil so you're team infexious now huh?

[balmy condor]

Throw darts behind your back while blindfolded

[subtle kiln]

knowing flowi, for memes and it was the cheapest craft

[warm parcel]

Possibly

[subtle kiln]

which are both legit reasons

[frail fossil]

What

[cold sparrow]

So during the opener I shouldnt use Cov,Shiv, Vendetta or Vanish until both of the targets have full bleed effects?

[stoic needle]

@frail fossil .

[frail fossil]

I crafted it on shoulder cuz i feelcrafted and i was prolly wrobg

In the end it's a 30 dps diff if i get slg shoulder

[subtle kiln]

nah you’re right. wait for +10 ilvl gloves next tier

[stoic needle]

sounds like team infexious to me

'feelcraft and probably wrong'

[spice spire]

Toxic

[dense hamlet]

[spice spire]

[undone eagle]

do i ever use ambush? 🤔 when its m+ talents

cuz no blindside

[loud silo]

never

[undone eagle]

but single target yes when i get a free shot obviously right haha

if i play with blindside

and thanks becuz i wasnt sure wether i use it or not

[loud silo]

only with blindside

[undone eagle]

ye

and 1 more question mate

since i did m+ and i run crimson tempest

[lament dove]

but you don't play blindside if it's m+ talents

[undone eagle]

do i spam it all the time on 4-5 targets

[loud silo]

uh

[undone eagle]

or only until bleed of that is gone

[loud silo]

i dont think you spam

[undone eagle]

i spam fan of knives + crimson tempest all the time

until they die?

[loud silo]

no

you want some ruptures and garrotes out

for energy gen

[undone eagle]

do i rupture multiplie targets or only 1 ? and then 3-4 garrote

[loud silo]

probs about 3

[undone eagle]

rupture?

[loud silo]

ye

[undone eagle]

cheers

[loud silo]

get 3 garrotes out

[undone eagle]

and garrote as many as possible when i open stealth during 3 sec free cast

but one more question, meanwhile ive ruptured and garroted 3-4 targets

[loud silo]

you can get a max of 3

[undone eagle]

do i keep an track to rebleed them?

[loud silo]

6 with vanish

[dense hamlet]

garret 1 garret 2 garret 3?

[loud silo]

yes maintain your dots

[undone eagle]

Alright so in this case, when its several targets my main goal is to have many bleeds as possible for regen righT?

[loud silo]

honestly im probs not the person to answer these questions i havent played sin in m+ since early BFA

[undone eagle]

i dont use shiv mutilate etc so much i guess

[loud silo]

no

[dense hamlet]

well u still shiv on cd

[loud silo]

you dont want to have too many bleeds out

because you wont manage all of them

and you'll lose damage

just

[undone eagle]

3-4 bleeds with rupture + garrote + crimson temps , then shiv and finisher spam with mutilate?

[loud silo]

get 3-4 targets

and do your FoK CT

and shiv on cd

[undone eagle]

oh i dont touch mutilate?

[loud silo]

during shiv and vend window you do

[pliant apex]

Do you guys also wait 7 secs after sepsis to cast vanish? Ceverion just taught me that today

Wonder if guides have that info.

[balmy condor]

yes

[undone eagle]

Aight last question

when the heck do i use my flagellation? 😂

[subtle kiln]

not playing sepsis is the real answer.

[undone eagle]

after opener at 5 dots?