assassination

[limber lion]

Not really

Most bosses are pretty ST heavy

[pearl agate]

should we be using crimson tempest in ST?

[vestal wharf]

What haste do you guys feel comfortable with going DS? I just tried it with 23% and it felt like shit.

I am Venthyr.

[rapid prism]

does the whole use a finisher at 4+ cp still apply if you take deeper stratagem as assasin rogue? or do you mutilate at 4 cp

[limber lion]

Yes, but do not spec into it for ST purposes.

[pearl agate]

yes sorry, that's exactly what i meant - thanks!

[limber lion]

If you play M+, use it on bosses yeah. If you're doing Shriekwing, don't take it

[limber lion]

I have 17% and it feels fine to me.

[vestal wharf]

Really? Feel so energy starved.

[limber lion]

The opener might feel pretty shit but after that it's just fine honestly.

[vestal wharf]

Yeah probably due to opener.

[limber lion]

It is a slow spec, but that's pretty much the trademark of Assa

[vestal wharf]

With vigor i feel i basically never to pool with Venthyr except until after like 1 min

Might just be misleading myself tho, idk. Ill give it a shot in a raid

[limber lion]

It's fine when you get lust

[onyx wind]

u will get used to it

its fine with blindside

[wooden kiln]

Hello guys, I have a question
Can I just believe 100% on the dungeonslice sim for M+ stats? Is really haste the best stat even in M+?

[balmy condor]

haste loses value and mastery gains value the bigger the aoe

dungeonslice is supposed to represent a combination of single target, cleave, and aoe, similar to a dungeon

obviously there's a ton more variables that go into it than that

but it's the best estimation we have as an all-around

if you feel like you're doing giga pulls, it might be worth feel-crafting some more mastery over haste

[wooden kiln]

Crit and Vers aren't the stats to aim at all then? for m+?

[balmy condor]

depends who you ask

I believe that haste/crit is still the go-to

if you ask someone like seli, he will say crit > haste/vers/mastery

neither is really "wrong"

it's just a difference in priorities

[stoic needle]

Just switch to theotar and call it a day

[loud niche]

osh

[stoic needle]

Sup

[loud niche]

tell me im not crazy for thinking that a dh should not be getting PI on cd

[stoic needle]

Oh I saw your post yesterday that shit is wild

Definitely not

[onyx wind]

maybe the priest is the DH's gf

[loud niche]

DPS gain for PI:
Learnsie - 316
Hoofhartd - 304
Riverfang - 372
Moxflip - 207
Fxry - 236
Mtlul - 445
Ryvlan - 412
Bleedmascara - 449
Toxins - 243
Daddybags - 252
Varakhwa - 294
Zelphx - 476
Kilvorian - 419
Sry for the longboi post, jsut did all the maths yesterday... Also, no but they are friends

[stoic needle]

Which one is the dh

[subtle tundra]

whats the point of this?

[loud niche]

Looking at that, I think that the Fire mage Zelphx should get it.

Learnsie is the dh

[onyx wind]

doesnt really matter much if the players cant take full advantage of PI

like sure the number is higher theoretically

but a better player will get more value out of PI than a worse one

[loud niche]

That's fair, but a dh without meta getting PI is worse than someone who out dps'es that dh getting PI

[onyx wind]

what are their argument for giving it to the DH

[loud niche]

"for the memes"

[onyx wind]

respectable

[loud niche]

oh oh and "because it doesnt matter who gets it"

then they linked me a spreadsheet which shows a ranking list of best specs to get PI

[frail fossil]

what

who gives pi to a dh

[onyx wind]

i get why ur frustrated but yea it probably doesnt matter

[stoic needle]

giving a DH pi is just giving them carpal tunnel

[frail fossil]

but also yeah

who cares

we giving pI to a demo lock

like i just dont care tbf

maybe it's cuz outlaw with pi is irrelevant

[loud niche]

after 40+ wipes on xymox, with some being under 100k hp left on the damn boss, we should be getting the PI to someone who can use it better ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx wind]

in that case, sure

i was gonna say "unless ur wiping at 50k hp, it doesnt matter"

[valid plaza]

Where do I add in Flagellation?

Mutilate
Slice and Dice
Mutilate
Garrote
Rupture
Vendetta
Shiv
Vanish
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

[onyx wind]

before rupture

and u can vendetta with flag

[frail fossil]

if u wipe on xymox

it is not cuz of dps

[onyx wind]

last phase is just

ram ur face into the boss and kill him

sure u can kill him cleanly with 20 people alive but

on progress dps matters

[nimble tartan]

i luh bad bitches thats my fuckin problem!!

[stoic needle]

pi is like crack cocaine to sin

[onyx wind]

i wish none of u ever experience getting PI on pull with lust

cause if u do

u can never go back

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/nut-button-hold-on-nut-anime-gif-12031314

my old guild used to PI me on CD

it was glorious

maybe if i prove myself as a pumper in this one they'll do the same

give them the ol' sub 30% zoldyck pi for progression argument

[prisma crescent]

My guild doesn't have a priest so no one gets PI

Have about 4 people ready to reroll shadow next tier tho

[shy dust]

you raid with

THE HOOTHEARTD?

[slow marsh]

Yeah limit max really talked up spriest I wouldn't be surprised to see a huge influx next tier

[prisma crescent]

@slow marsh Yeah i saw him talking about Spriest in Sire P3

Hopefully it doesn't turn out like all the hype around Trill's monk

[slow marsh]

Sin is still better but spriest is ranged so makes sense

[prisma crescent]

Half the rogues I know went to reroll Windwalker then saw they were getting nerfed

[slow marsh]

Also priest stacking is way better than rogue stacking for obvious reasons

[prisma crescent]

Yeah ofc every raid should have at least 1

[slow marsh]

I saw a lot of rogues rerolled ww. Our mythic progger rerolled boomie xD

[indigo mulch]

😦

[silent dune]

#ASS4LIFE

[indigo mulch]

My guild is finally letting me play rogue again. After a almost a full tier ;c

[subtle tundra]

#ASSGANG

[slow marsh]

Personally I rerolled DK at first but came back to the light after getting it to 200 ilvl. Now just use it for rbg fun

[indigo mulch]

But then its SLG progress so i guess i have to play outlaw ;_;

[silent dune]

#NECROASS4LIFE

[slow marsh]

Gross.

[indigo mulch]

😦

[slow marsh]

What was your other class

[indigo mulch]

I started as a sub rogue, then went outlaw, then ww, now i'm a brewmaster and i'm going back to sin/outlaw

lol

[slow marsh]

Ah yeah i gues WW is the only class outlaw actually beats kek

[kind talon]

kek

[indigo mulch]

I mean SLG outlaw is pretty stronk

mythic atleast.

[slow marsh]

any other melee cleave is better other than ww

[prisma crescent]

I play Rogue/Warrior It's a miracle I'm even raiding

[stoic needle]

YESSS!

[indigo mulch]

❤️

[stoic needle]

[kind talon]

assa is top and you want at least one warrior

[slow marsh]

But I mean if you have to play outlaw for one boss but get to play sin for everything else it's worth

[kind talon]

and you want a monk as well

[stoic needle]

ngl i dont mind law at all i just prefer sin

[indigo mulch]

I mean we're extending to sire so i dunno lol

[stoic needle]

ma/ks law is so much fun

[kind talon]

ma is v fun

[indigo mulch]

SLG is outlaw fight i suppose. I'll try sin but i'm not sure it holds up there D:

[frail fossil]

played outlaw on every single prog boss

dont go sin on slg

[limber lion]

Not worth

[frail fossil]

like if there is one fight

[limber lion]

Take it from someone with 250 wipes on it

[frail fossil]

where u dont go sin

[indigo mulch]

roflmao

[frail fossil]

it's slg

[slow marsh]

I mean I saw some stuff going around that sub is solid on SLG specifically for shield burst but overall yeah outlaw better for the fighht

[stoic needle]

u could go sin on reclear but dont int your guild on prog by playing sin

[indigo mulch]

That's what i thought aswell D:

What about sire thought? Sin should be pretty good there.

[slow marsh]

Yes

bis

[stoic needle]

u will carry p3

[slow marsh]

Make sure you have zold crafted though if you dont already

[frail fossil]

sin is very good on sire

not just cuz of p3

cuz it got a very strong 2min

[subtle tundra]

you dont necessarily need zold ^^

[slow marsh]

You do for mythic tbh

[indigo mulch]

I mean for mythic

[subtle tundra]

thats what i meant 🙂

[limber lion]

Def recommended for mythic progression

[slow marsh]

Sure I run doomblade for heroic but yeah zold for prog or you're trolling

[limber lion]

You can do whatever you want for reclears.

[frail fossil]

idk man

[slow marsh]

Unless you are wiping at 100k maybe

BVut even then

[frail fossil]

dont think zoldyck is that huge

10% on execute range or 8% overall

[slow marsh]

It's like 2-300 dps less but execute

[limber lion]

Doom is more overall damage, but Zoldyck's execute is very much necessary to push the dps check

You don't take Zoldyck to get high on meters

[slow marsh]

Highest execute damage phase in game with PI correct?

[limber lion]

You take it so you kill the boss

[slow marsh]

If not then extremely close to UH

[limber lion]

Yes

[indigo mulch]

Wait waht

Sin has the highest execute dmg with pi? Oo

[slow marsh]

Yes Sin execute is nuts

[indigo mulch]

damn D: i did not know that

[slow marsh]

hence why its bis for prog outside of SLG

[indigo mulch]

hmm

What about warriors thought? Their execute is pretty nutty too

D:

does that mean i might beable to convince my RL to PI me >=D

[slow marsh]

It depends. Still PI UHDK for army

on pull

It honestly is just a skill check right now though. If you have a really good MM hunter it's still more efficient on them

But if you're better then sin is absolutely bonkers with PI during vendetta/flag

/hero

[indigo mulch]

Our MM hunters are pretty dog though.

No worries.

[slow marsh]

Then yes it should be on you

If you aren't dog 😉

[amber trench]

Dont under underestimate the value of pushing sire as close as possible to 40% before p3 transition

During prog not getting close to 40 before p3 is also a wipe

[slow marsh]

Yes doomblade isn't bad for sire but you're getting 2-300 dps for the routine part of the fight

the p3 is the cheek clincher and that's where zold shines

[burnt latch]

Is the sin opener on the ravenholdt guide up to date? Keep seeing alot of guides saying to vanish -> envenom -> muti -> envenom but the ravenholdt one says otherwise

[drowsy snow]

if you want your first crit from stealth to be env it's fine

[low girder]

also worth noting if you run deeper you can't env -> mut -> env

which is what i assume the opener is also assuming

[burnt latch]

Ahh makes sense, ive been doing it wrong then as i run deeper

[onyx wind]

you can, just pool to 80 energy

@low girder

[burnt latch]

I think he means that its not worth envenom on 4/6 cp

[low girder]

no you can't. because you'll be at 4

you don't finish on 4 with deeper

[onyx wind]

sometimes youre at 4

if you have 75% crit you probably do :)

[low girder]

you don't finish at 4 with deeper

therefore you can't env mut env

[onyx wind]

what..

ofc u do

[low girder]

lol

[onyx wind]

in that specific scenario you do

if you get 4 cp that is

[burnt latch]

Lol this aint helping me, anyone care to confirm who is right here?

Im full of doubt now

[low girder]

@balmy condor am i full of shit here

you don't env mut env if you get 4 with MA do you

[drifting cloud]

I do it but it feels shit

and then it doesnt crit anyways

[balmy condor]

you do not

[low girder]

yeah figured

[burnt latch]

Thank you

[onyx wind]

fair

[balmy condor]

with DS you are forced to env mut mut

if you're doing that

[onyx wind]

no

he meant mut env mut

not env mut env

[balmy condor]

I mean

[vital crown]

is Infinitely Divisible Ooze any good?

[balmy condor]

you can mut env mut if you start with 1 cp

:)

and then get 4cp

[onyx wind]

is it really not worth getting a 4cp env off with 75% crit

[balmy condor]

yep

[burnt latch]

That makes the opener feel a lot better, felt so awkward to finish with 4cp envenom but i still kept doing it

[onyx wind]

not even with flag running aswell?

[burnt latch]

Went against everything I know about rogues felt bad

[onyx wind]

thats really surprising

well in either case, you shiv first so

u start at 1 cp

[low girder]

yeah that's fine

meant you can't fit 2 envenoms

[burnt latch]

Mutilate
Slice and Dice
Mutilate
Garrote
Rupture
Vendetta
Shiv
Vanish
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

[onyx wind]

is this based on sims ?

playing venth/doomblade

[burnt latch]

The guides saying to not even vanish with full cps

So i guess ill stick with that

[onyx wind]

yea cause u want more combo points for flag

but either works fine

[balmy condor]

yes

with DS you do not finish on 4

[low girder]

it's a bigger guarantee to fit the mut into MA

[onyx wind]

sims with doomblade/venthyr?

[low girder]

rather than possible double mut then vanish

[burnt latch]

On that opener do i flag before the first rupture or first envenom?

[low girder]

before the rupture

you can also vendetta there

if you want

since it's off gcd

[burnt latch]

Yeah thats what ive been doing so far, just wanted to check 🙂 thx mate

[onyx wind]

not trying to spam u, just wanting to make sure its with venthyr/doomblade

[low girder]

but generally i just vendetta between the rupture and the shiv

[balmy condor]

with DS you do not finish on 4

regardless of anything

[drifting cloud]

ask him again just to make sure

[onyx wind]

okay but were there specific sims done for this with venthyr/doomblade

[low girder]

yes

[onyx wind]

is what im asking

[balmy condor]

no, I'm just saying that because I'm not sure

[onyx wind]

you could also just say yes

[balmy condor]

you could also just take the answer

[low girder]

idk it's like questioning "has anyone tried with EP instead"

like yeah

he did

[drifting cloud]

you should rewrite the apl to show its a 2dps gain and really stick it to him

[balmy condor]

to be fair, I haven't tested it with master poisoner and exsang

[drifting cloud]

[onyx wind]

good one

[sharp marsh]

when do you run DS over vigor?

[limber lion]

[low girder]

^

[limber lion]

But usually as a Venthyr or after hitting a large amount of haste.

[sharp marsh]

i mean is the answer that it differs based on stats then?

you could always say that

cause that's actually the asnwer

lmao

[low girder]

it also depends on covenant

so

no he couldn't

[onyx wind]

no dude we have to be as vague as possible

[limber lion]

It's dependant on several different things

[onyx wind]

for me, being venthyr

on pure ST

[limber lion]

That's why you sim yourself to get the accurate answer

[onyx wind]

EP is better on 2 minute fights

and below

[sharp marsh]

i mean it's pretty easy to say the actual answer

[onyx wind]

DS is better on longer fights

[sharp marsh]

instead of providing unhelpful info

look at how helpful all this is now

:
)

[drifting cloud]

you know whats even easier

[low girder]

i mean

[drifting cloud]

simming

[low girder]

simming yourself is more helpful

[dapper yew]

which is the best souldind and counduit for Vent

[low girder]

than we can ever be

[sharp marsh]

look at all the answers i got after that

crazy

[balmy condor]

the fuck is it with people wanting exact answers

[limber lion]

The literal only answer is sim yourself

[balmy condor]

literally just sim yourself

[limber lion]

That's the only answer

[balmy condor]

and be done with it

[onyx wind]

yea bro why ask questions

[sharp marsh]

the funny thing is, sim yourself is the same thing that i said

[onyx wind]

ur so dumb LOL

[sharp marsh]

you don't sound smart by saying that

lol

[drifting cloud]

like you do realize there atleat 2 or 3 different factors to that dumb question

[low girder]

your first mistake is thinking we're trying to sound smart

[drifting cloud]

so instead of us guessing your gear levels and covenant

[low girder]

instead of actually being helpful

[sharp marsh]

and that's fine bro

[drifting cloud]

you run a 30s sim

[balmy condor]

idc to sound smart

[sharp marsh]

you act like 2 or 3 is some crazy number

[balmy condor]

I care to give good info

[sharp marsh]

woah

watch out

[onyx wind]

these people arent here to help you, they are here to feel superior

[low girder]

lol

[balmy condor]

100%

[low girder]

you literally said "when do i run DS"

with no other info

and expect us to just give you an exact answer

[balmy condor]

got me

[limber lion]

We don't have the answer. The sims do.

[sharp marsh]

i literally didn't

[balmy condor]

just here to shit on people

[sharp marsh]

you are clueles

lol

[low girder]

really

[sharp marsh]

i said you could say sim yourself in actual helpful terms

[low girder]

did you not

[sharp marsh]

what was my response?

[kind talon]

Lmao what am I reading

[sharp marsh]

ican't read for you bro

[drifting cloud]

you cant read at all I guess

[sharp marsh]

you all literally knew the answer, and said it immediately after i bitched

lmfao

[drifting cloud]

well no

[sharp marsh]

yes

[drifting cloud]

because we assume you mean raid

[sharp marsh]

that's literally what happened

[drifting cloud]

but maybe you mean pvp

[sharp marsh]

nope

imeant raid

[drifting cloud]

maybe you mean m+

maybe youre kyrian

[sharp marsh]

look how well it worked

[drifting cloud]

maybe you dont even have a covenant

[limber lion]

What was the correct answer?

I think I missed it

[sharp marsh]

scroll up

[cold sparrow]

Can I ask a question or we getting popcorn

[polar crater]

@balmy condor finishing at 4 cp w/vigor is fine right? I'm not being a pepega?

[drifting cloud]

maybe youre lvl 26

[limber lion]

What was the correct answer?

[drifting cloud]

who knows

[sharp marsh]

scroll up

[limber lion]

Wow

[balmy condor]

yes, with vigor you finish on 4

[limber lion]

Why can't you just tell me?

[polar crater]

okay cool

[kind talon]

Imagine asking a question and then arguing with people who are helping you

[sharp marsh]

because i already did

[kind talon]

So sick

[limber lion]

Are you here just to shit on people

[polar crater]

I felt like I was wasting

[limber lion]

[kind talon]

True rogue main tbh

We all have something to learn

[sharp marsh]

you guys sure do live up to the class fantasy

lol

[kind talon]

We need to be more like Thraen on wow

[strange python]

no one helped him, "sim yourself" is hardly a helpful answer

[kind talon]

Class fantasy

[onyx wind]

To be fair, there are like 4 people in here who dont get off on being assholes

[limber lion]

Yeh and you're definitely not one of them

[kind talon]

But it is?

[subtle tundra]

i do get off being an asshole

[sharp marsh]

it literally isn't

[gloomy knoll]

hey @shy dust what's sin use to get on duskhollow platform does throwknife reach?

[drifting cloud]

yes

or just step to it

[subtle tundra]

it does

[sharp marsh]

you aren't smart by saying "sim yourself," that could literally be the answer the any conceivable wow dps question

[gloomy knoll]

what's outlaw use

does pistol reach or do they grapple

[subtle tundra]

you need to get close to the edge

[drifting cloud]

grapple

[sharp marsh]

wait

[gloomy knoll]

ty 🙂

[drifting cloud]

pistol doesnt reach afaik

[sharp marsh]

do you guys understand nuance?

look it up

[kind talon]

No

[strange python]

why are the parse tables still so low for mythic?

[low girder]

no we have no idea what nuance is clearly

[sharp marsh]

i know you don't dude

[low girder]

when we didn't give you a straight answer

[sharp marsh]

don't worry

[kind talon]

What’s nuance

[low girder]

because it depended on several factors

[sharp marsh]

nobody asked for a straight answer, you keep changing it to make yourself look smart

[shy dust]

yeah

[thorny rose]

nuance is when your uncle gets remarried

[shy dust]

or DOOR OF SHADOWS

[kind talon]

Ty

[drifting cloud]

DOOR OF SHADOWS

[polar crater]

Rather than just making a blanket statement, explain why it isn't helpful to you

[subtle tundra]

door of coolness

[strange python]

when someone comes to ask help here, i can guarantee you that 90% of people have already simmed themselves. if "sim yourself" is an answer to everything people ask here, which is also the case in 90% of the times, this discord should not exist

[shy dust]

you gotta be close

to the platform

like in middlish area

for throw knife to reach

[balmy condor]

aight we're all gonna move on now

[cold sparrow]

Question: I am Nightfae, does it make a difference when I use Sepsis? Like before Vendetta (so that I can use another gcd during Vendetta) or does Vendetta increase the ticks of Sepsis?
Also do I use Shiv immediately after Vanish with MA or before Vanish with like 5-6 CP for maximum Envenom?

[sharp marsh]

wolfs if you really need an explanation you can dm me

[low girder]

oh good 'cause i'm done with this

[sharp marsh]

it isn't rocket science

[polar crater]

lul

[balmy condor]

use it during vendetta, and shiv after

[sharp marsh]

multiple people have explained it

the same 4 have bitched over and over gain

[balmy condor]

and the same 4 people are going to shut it

as are you

and we're all gonna move on

[gloomy knoll]

ty as well rae 🙂

[kind talon]

This is fair. All I’m saying is that lashing out against the people you want help from instead of reformatting your question is... questionable, to say the least

[drifting cloud]

just jump into the middle and step

but dont have step on cd

[gloomy knoll]

lol yep

i'll prob play outlaw my first kill just gathering data for the future

[drifting cloud]

youre not gonna need it in the next 25s with conduit anyways

[onyx wind]

@sharp marsh did u get the answer u were looking for

[sharp marsh]

@kind talon that is an insane characterization to defend yourself against a third party lol i wonder why

oh yeah

[onyx wind]

alright, glad to help

[civic knot]

do yall use crit or haste food?

[onyx wind]

crit

[civic knot]

nice ty

[onyx wind]

i use crit food but

[cold sparrow]

Ok, so during the opener I go Mut > SnD > Mut > Garrote > Rupture > Mut Spam until ~4 CP (DS) > Vendetta + Sepsis > Vanish + Shiv and then just Envenom > Mut etc?

[subtle tundra]

i use vers cause its the cheapest

[onyx wind]

vers is also our 2nd best stat!

any vers/haste crafters ? :)

[subtle tundra]

on all of my characters i have only used vers food

[onyx wind]

yea use it for the dmg reduction

[charred mango]

if the full combo point Vanish - Envenom-Mut-Envenom isnt optimal use while using Deeper stratagem, whats the best use of the 3 second MA talent window?

[onyx wind]

starting at 1-2 cp and using vanish->mut->env->mut

[limber lion]

You can just use Sepsis > Shiv > Muti > Vanish > Env > Mut > Mut

You definitely want to use Shiv before Vanish every time.

[charred mango]

okay ty exeo

[onyx wind]

if first mut puts u at 4cp u mut again

:(

[charred mango]

RIP lol

[limber lion]

You'll always use 2 Muti's and 1 Envenom during the window, so doesn't matter if you start at 1cp or 5cp.

[charred mango]

okay makes sense

[limber lion]

The order just changes depending on combo points. :p

[drifting cloud]

dont you ambush if bs procs

[limber lion]

Yeh true

[onyx wind]

yes

[cold sparrow]

So after the Rupture I do not go to 4 CP / Pool enough energy and then do your sequence?

[onyx wind]

starting to become a big fan of setting up vanish

instead of pressing it asap

[limber lion]

Nah, you just do Sepsis right after Rupture and Shiv right after that

[shy dust]

MA is shit talent

[limber lion]

To get both rolling

[shy dust]

it being meta sucks

[drifting cloud]

just have 50% crit

[onyx wind]

they are all shit talents except nightstalker

[limber lion]

The ideal vanish is actually used when Sepsis has 3s left

[onyx wind]

(fun wise)

[shy dust]

no

sub is nice

it gives cleave

and is consistent

[onyx wind]

yea true

[limber lion]

So ideally you'd want to use Sepsis > Shiv > Muti > Env > Muti > Muti > (wait for Sepsis to reach 3s) > Vanish > Env > Muti > Env

[onyx wind]

was talking ST

[low girder]

give the CP portion of SS to subterfuge

and be done with it

fuck MA

[onyx wind]

legit

opening with MA is like

[limber lion]

I hate inconsistent talents.

[onyx wind]

either u do a 12k opener or 7k opener

[limber lion]

Just like PB in Legion.

[onyx wind]

its so sad man

[limber lion]

You either do giga damage or no damage.

PB was an artifact ability, to be clear, but still.

[onyx wind]

PB wasnt that bad

it felt good when it procced

[shy dust]

im telling yall

[onyx wind]

bad when tank moved

[shy dust]

INVEST IN IQD

[onyx wind]

already did sir

[dapper yew]

@balmy condor is it madatory to have 100% up time on Rupture and Garrote. or would u rather Mut and then Envnom

[shy dust]

thats basically 98% crit chance in MA

[low girder]

i'm investing in a phial first

[shy dust]

and envenom will still fail to crit

[low girder]

it's bigger for me

[limber lion]

You want to aim to have at least 95%+ at all times.

[low girder]

i mean i had it fail with 95% chance in EP too, talent sucks lmao

[onyx wind]

Sucks that u have to cast 2x mut with 100% crit chance to envenom if ustart at 0

[balmy condor]

uptime

[dapper yew]

for both Rup and Garrote

[limber lion]

Yes

[dapper yew]

ty

[dusky vault]

I got a 226 IQD but it sims badly so idk...

[onyx wind]

IQD is insane

[cold sparrow]

But wont the debuff from Shiv be wasted right after Sepsis? Because if I have to wait until Sepsis goes to 3s, Shiv debuff will be gone. And doesnt 2x Envenom with MA + Shiv debuff do more damage?

[onyx wind]

it only sims bad on 5 min fights

try simming 2 min or 3 min

or 1 min ofc

dungeon length fights

or ceverion log run fights

[limber lion]

Shiv buffs Sepsis for the full duration, so no.

[cold sparrow]

oooh true

[dusky vault]

Hmm shouldn't it not matter when comparing to other 2 min cd trinkets?

[limber lion]

And when you use MA at the last 3 seconds, you still get the full 3s value out of Shiv

[onyx wind]

well idk if it should or shouldnt but

[limber lion]

That way you get full value out of MA, Shiv and Sepsis

[onyx wind]

it matters

[drifting cloud]

it needs to proc crit try swapping enchants

if it procs haste its poopoo

[cold sparrow]

makes a lot of sense. Vendetta then paired with Sepsis?

[onyx wind]

its not that poopoo

since it procs haste 50% of the time in sims

and is still good

[shy dust]

its about

proccing haste within lust

makes it very bad

[onyx wind]

yet it is still good

[shy dust]

iqd during lust picks your highest stat

[limber lion]

Yeh

[shy dust]

it gets significantly worst

if its haste

[onyx wind]

isnt it 50/50 with two highest stats

[shy dust]

not during lust

[cold sparrow]

Thanks a lot for the answer!

[shy dust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wrW2YX32L6iy2udbstcvrx

[onyx wind]

what

[shy dust]

during lut

lust*

[limber lion]

No problem mate :p

[shy dust]

you get your highest stat

[onyx wind]

like always?

is that hardcoded

[shy dust]

yes

[onyx wind]

oh nice didnt know that

[warped shale]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[onyx wind]

so thats why its insane on short fights

[shy dust]

its why

[onyx wind]

makes sense

[shy dust]

if you run iqd

you can have very funky sims

where like i linked

swapping 2 gems

is a 70 loss in dps

[onyx wind]

yea but thats accurate tho

isnt it

but still weird ig

if u dont know how IQD works with lust

[arctic juniper]

Fellas I'm back... parse is terrible on mythic shriek. First time playing Sin. What am I doing wrong in my rotation?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k6fdGac7gZmnFLDJ#fight=7&type=damage-done

[shy dust]

well

your opener is extremely wrong

you didnt apply rupture

till 15 seconds into the boss

you garroted 7 seconds into the boss

you vanished

outside of shiv

[vital crown]

is the other plaguefall trinket god awful?

[onyx wind]

no

but compared to phial, yes

[vital crown]

so ideally I want phial and the sire or shriek trinket right

[shy dust]

@arctic juniper i would very much so

recommend reading guides again

you shouldnt ever

[arctic juniper]

@shy dust Thank you --- will go back to the drawing boards and practice again lol

[shy dust]

let your bleeds drop

your entire opener is just wrong

[chrome abyss]

So... Assasin is the new rogue spec for raids?

[indigo mulch]

Aww i missed all the juice stuff 😦

[plush oasis]

Thoughts on combining Duskwalker's with Benevolent Faerie? Is there a way to sim that?

[dire spoke]

if it sims higher for you in singletarget than the other specs then yes

[lilac haven]

On mythic inerva should i be garrote and rupturing all the adds or just the big one?

[dire spoke]

@balmy condor hi new to rogue do I use Nierenhieb

[velvet cosmos]

Is there any %haste cap you should have before running DS instead of vigors? Opening with DS feels really bad

[limber lion]

Yeah pretty much.

[velvet cosmos]

or is it just go DS if raiding 😛

[rich trellis]

when is it best to pop cds on sludge if lust is on 3rd pillar?

[limber lion]

There is no haste cap for any spec in the game. You honestly have to sim yourself to find what's better, it's dependent on you gear/stats/covenant etc.

[limber lion]

First and 3rd pillar.

[rich trellis]

thank

[agile ledge]

When you're in your shiv burst window do you want to use envenom when you have 4 stacks even with DS or go for 5?

[limber lion]

Go for 5.

[agile ledge]

Alright. Thanks for the info

[limber lion]

[agile ledge]

:)

[whole cypress]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[young pebble]

Is the inscrutable quantum device generally a bad idea for prog fights? Sims great, but I think that assumes you're never going to proc the heal off it

[limber lion]

No, not the best trinket for prog.

It's a great trinket for parse-cheesing for sure.

[shy dust]

depends on the fight

its really strong for sludge id say

[young pebble]

How does it help cheese parses?

[drifting cloud]

its just really good on under 4min fights

since you dont get 3 uses on a 2min trinket and you dont get 3 vendettas

[low girder]

yeah any of the long fights i wouldn't recommend it

[wide ridge]

my guild just downed M xymox and we're going to inerva now. did you guys go doomblade or zoldyck here?

or did you go outlaw

🥴

[shy dust]

sin is very strong for inerva

and just go doom

[dapper yew]

What are the two Bis Daggers now, either in raid/PVP or Dungeon

[wide ridge]

aight sir, ty

[balmy condor]

233's off of sire

[low girder]

alternatively, the one you get to drop

[dapper yew]

Ok, before Mythic Sire

[shut pollen]

guys do you think vanish env muti env is better or vanish muti env muti ?

[arctic juniper]

@shy dust https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k6fdGac7gZmnFLDJ#fight=13&type=damage-done

Did much better this time around, I think lol?

[balmy condor]

the highest ilvl you pull out of your vault

[dense hamlet]

+pvp daggers ofc

[low girder]

look at this guy, getting weapons out of his vault

[dapper yew]

Is the one off Mist better than PVP Crit Haste?

PVP Crit/Vers

[arctic juniper]

@shy dust My ilvl is low af though

[dense hamlet]

well

[dapper yew]

not haste

[dense hamlet]

pvp daggers can be 233

[balmy condor]

[dense hamlet]

mist daggers cant

[low girder]

i forgot it got avoidance too

lmao

[dense hamlet]

avoidance

[drifting cloud]

no socket

[wide ridge]

weapons cant be socketed

[dense hamlet]

ive never gotten a vault item that had sockets so i would be happy with avoidance

[wide ridge]

only items that can eb socketed are helm, neck,wrist,belt,rings

6 total

[teal grove]

on SLG do you keep rupture & Garrote up on boss during add phase?

[jolly breach]

hello guys kinda new to assa this expansion, here are my logs from today https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/42Lj7fzwFvRqMJd9/ , im simming 6.2k but im able to pull the numbers from the logs, is there something im doing wrong, the one thing im thinking of might be the pooling. logs have also pi's

[subtle tundra]

faster kills help a lot with parses

[wide ridge]

^

[subtle tundra]

5 mins shriekwing kill means 2 phases

[hazy marlin]

do you use internal bleeding for damage? particularly with doomblade

[halcyon zealot]

just kill it in 59 seconds like that all druid group, ez parse

[marsh yew]

is there a way to sim a fight only when the target is below 35% hp?

using raidbots

[drifting cloud]

there is but not sure if its only possible in advanced settings

[arctic night]

Execute Patchwerk @marsh yew

[marsh yew]

oh

thank you

[drifting cloud]

oh its just there

[dense hamlet]

i havent noticed that till now

[halcyon zealot]

well to be fair, most of the options in that drop down are dogshit

[dapper yew]

Which Dagger would u take off Sire, the Crit Mastery or Haste Vers

and I thought our stat priority is Hast>Crit>Vers>Mastery

[hazy marlin]

what

[devout lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[hazy marlin]

sim it

ignore the stat prio

[latent gazelle]

thought the sire dagger only had one option?

[hazy marlin]

it does

[devout lantern]

its hast and versa

dagger]

[dapper yew]

ur right

[devout lantern]

drops in orb of denatris

[latent gazelle]

okay, the question above confused me lol

[devout lantern]

[Nathrian Assassin's Backbiter]

its the dagger of denatrius

[civic trellis]

Does MA talent affect trinkets?

[sour wraith]

no

[devout lantern]

is 49 hast and 20 versa

[civic trellis]

😦

[devout lantern]

in heroic

[ruby birch]

how do i parse on mythic inerva as sin

i do not have any sin trinkets

[subtle tundra]

do single target dmg and when adds spawn dot

[sour wraith]

Don't get mechanics

[void pecan]

get PI

🙂

[sour wraith]

[ruby birch]

how

[subtle tundra]

get lucky

[sour wraith]

luck of the draw

[ruby birch]

i get orb 2-3 times each kill

[drifting cloud]

doubt

[ruby birch]

and its always the first set, and the set right as vendetta comes up

and sometimes i get the one set that you do with the spinning shit

[subtle tundra]

parses dont mean everything

[drifting cloud]

its a 5-5:30 fight youre only getting 3 vendettas anways you can delay for orb spawn

[ruby birch]

she's on farm so i have nothing better to do

[ruby birch]

so i delay 2nd vendetta?

[hazy marlin]

depdns on your kil time

[ruby birch]

our kill time is about 5 mins i think

might be a bit less

sec

[hazy marlin]

then you can afford a little delay

[ruby birch]

nah 5:10 ish

aight

i still shiv right off cd right?

and should i hold flag for vendetta?

i think someone previously told me to hold if i dont get same amount of uses

[hazy marlin]

not sure

ive heard not to hold flag for vendetta

[dapper yew]

in a 5min fight u get an extra Flag up

so i time the first with Vend and then third with Vend maybe

5min fight u get 3 flags and 2 vend.

[ruby birch]

what

[hazy marlin]

you get 3 vends

[ruby birch]

isnt it 3 vend

i get 3 on inerva

on pull, after we move her, and near end

[dapper yew]

ur right

[drifting cloud]

and 4 flags

[dapper yew]

so 3 vend and

yup

[drifting cloud]

but once kill timer starts going below 5

might be better to hold

[ruby birch]

huh why is that

[drifting cloud]

well because youre not gonna get full 4 casts

[ruby birch]

ah thats what you mean

[drifting cloud]

youre not casting it 1st global start of fight and it lasts what 24s

[ruby birch]

yea

i get snd garrote and rupture up before i hit any cds

[pulsar sluice]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mz6TdKPaQFAX2hJx#fight=last&type=damage-done

#givemepi

#iwillpump

[ruby birch]

holy shit phial pumps

i havent touched m+ on my rogue in so long, i guess i have to get back to it

[willow rover]

how much haste do you guys have?

[shut pollen]

around 18 % but my crit sims higher already

[ruby birch]

10%

sorry

8.6%

[dense hamlet]

[ruby birch]

LOL

wait wait i can go higher with a pvp trinket

LETS GO

[willow rover]

whats a good baseline amount of haste to have with assassin

[dense hamlet]

sim it

dosent matter

u shouldnt take a flat stat number

[balmy condor]

there is no "good baseline"

[ruby birch]

ok nvm i can hit 22% haste

[balmy condor]

it's basically just ilvl most of the time

[compact pumice]

Baseline? Kinda as much as you have. It will be the best stay until very late

[dawn ivy]

@compact pumice idk bout that chief

[ruby birch]

those are the stats i raid with

[dense hamlet]

i have 28% crit and it still simms more than 16% haste so

[compact pumice]

Ofc but haste will at least be top two, and at most points it’s just ilevel

[white cobalt]

went kyrian a month ago for pvp only, but want to swap covs now. night fae or venthir the safe bet

[compact pumice]

I swapped to venthyr from Night Fae and I have not regretted it at all (except covenant upgrades I guess), just due to the fact that flag feels more fun and engaging to use. Sepsis is just a send it and forget it kind of deal

[white cobalt]

if i plan on doing rbgs only, im guessing doomblade would be best. so with that in mind would sepsis make more sense

not a big arena guy

[compact pumice]

Sepsis doesn't really interact with Doomblade or am I missing something?

[white cobalt]

oh, thought it was considered an extra dot

[compact pumice]

Dot yeah but Doomblade cares about bleeds

So Necro if you want to maximize that part then

Though in pvp it's more about the burst-window-potential anyhow. I think flag and sepsis might be quite equal in that regard, though I think flag bursts a bit more.

[wooden silo]

Sepsis is fun in PVP and the Master Assassin Leggo as you line it up with some high burst with vanish.

[white cobalt]

if you think equal im going venthir, i mained a druid for pve the entire expansion so far. would prefer not to night fae again

not looking to completely min max

appreciate the input, its a lot to look up

[grand echo]

Go venth it's good 👌

[compact pumice]

Ngl I never felt sepsis did as much as flag though. Like flag still does 20k in a short-ish window if you burst correctly

[quasi ledge]

Necro is also really good burst in PvP now

[grand echo]

I was NF till 9.05 and sepsis didn't feel much like anything, pressing flag with conduit is actually fun

It feels like a button that does things

Unlike sepsis

[white cobalt]

hopefully blizz doesnt pull the fun flag on it

[grand echo]

Not saying NF is bad I loved soul shape

And the dmg is pretty similar. But dealing nice instant dmg, giving haste and some bonus dmg is just much more fun

[quasi ledge]

Sepsis with the conduit and a Priest to Dark Arch and PI you on opener was fun though, and a crazy amount of burst

[dapper yew]

what souldbind do you take with Vent and which path

[quasi ledge]

It's in the pins, @dapper yew

[dapper yew]

i saw it

[wooden silo]

I should reiterate, Flag is def better than Sepsis. But for those who haven't swapped yet you can still burst hard in pvp.

[loud niche]

you know hoof?

[shy dust]

yes

one of my good friends

[loud niche]

nice

[dapper yew]

so we dont take lashing scars and Well place steel?

instead

[loud niche]

lashing > wps

[stoic needle]

lashing scars + DD > lashing + WPS

[umbral bane]

guys serious question, if u combine Koryan first strikes, 25% raw crit chance and +50% master assasin talent crit , isn't like u get the master assasin lego for free in rogue? does it worth it?

[loud niche]

afaik

[stoic needle]

it does kinda work but it's not worth it over subterfuge for aoe

[umbral bane]

i was talking mainly for raiding, i mean you can vanish vendetta and do like huge bursts

[stoic needle]

first strike doesn't proc again with vanish

[dense hamlet]

oh nono

korayn procs once per target

[umbral bane]

oh dammit, that's a shame

[stoic needle]

it would be insanely busted if it did lol

[lyric badger]

Do i put MA leggo on finger or wrist?

wrist atm is heroic level and not quite enough to make a level 2 leggo

[wooden silo]

finger, great stats

[stoic needle]

Finger

[lyric badger]

sweet, what stats do i want on it?

haste?

[stoic needle]

haste vers

[lyric badger]

ty!

[fallow solar]

So does ass sim much higher than sub after all these buffs? Gonna suck having to regear everything for haste

[dense hamlet]

well its still haste crit

dont u have like alot of crit from sub allready

[stoic needle]

It's quite a bit higher yeah

[fallow solar]

I have like 7% haste so I'm guessing that's a problem

[dense hamlet]

if u equip inerva ring and sire ring thats half ur haste boom

[zenith ravine]

For doomblade do i have to strike mutilate on each target for the bleed dmg proc

Im a bit confused how it actually works

[compact pumice]

It’s just an additional dot kinda. But you still FOK on 4+ adds instead, but for 1-3 you would build combo points by target swapping muti (and garrote ofc).

[zenith ravine]

Kk ty

[strange python]

Honestly I would just switch to outlaw for keys but that’s just me

[quiet sinew]

Im even lazier and switch to Sub for keys

[spice spire]

Wat

[strange python]

What a gamer

[molten harbor]

Any recommendations on good WA and plater set for Sin?

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

[quiet sinew]

Im only ever able to put in 2 Envenoms during Shiv (outside Vendetta), is this considered okay? Or should it always be 3 no matter?

with DS I mean

not Vigor

[balmy condor]

it's whatever

the important part of shiv is having uptime

[spice spire]

It’s fine. You don’t play around envenom windows. You just shiv on CD. Pool as you can, but it’s not going to be the difference of a 40 and 98 parse

[quiet sinew]

Fair enough

Alright, ty

[manic igloo]

how does one not suck in m+? like whats a desired leggo and how do i do decent-ish aoe lol

ps hate outlaw with a passion

[willow rover]

for doomblade, you want on gloves with haste crit?

[spice spire]

Legendary: Zoldyck’s or MA
Talent high points: Elaborate P, Subterfuge, Crimson Tempest.
Garrote’s huge for AoE. Be sure to vanish on CD to get as many empowered garrotes. Keep ruptures up on <4. And Keep CT refreshed. Aoe rotation is fine over in the guides

[solemn hawk]

What the single target rotation and do I have to go Venth or is kryian ok

[spice spire]

Vers is also fine but if you’re crit starved that’s a fine stat to use. Haste for sure, not mastery is second

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

damn

quake putting in work

[spice spire]

Kyrian is worst but not too bad

I’m going to bed, figured I could give you a break for once 🙂

[low girder]

lol

[manic igloo]

i went back to venthyr since the reworked version is so much better feel wise

hated the old version lol

[spice spire]

It does feel 10000000000 times better

[quiet sinew]

Using 0 Energy on the spell is definitely amazing

[low girder]

yeah unless you like kyrian i probably wouldn't pick it, it's not great any anything in particular

for any spec

[balmy condor]

I just lurk during streams

[manic igloo]

although now im torn between venthyr and necro

bone spike suck balls anymore?

[balmy condor]

no

[spice spire]

I didn’t know you were live

[low girder]

it's pretty close for anything that isn't pure ST

[spice spire]

I’ve been tanking brain dead keys

[low girder]

and also good for outlaw if you play that

[random raft]

I also have a covenant question: if I play assassination for raid but also enjoy outlaw for keys, should I dump kyrian for venthyr?

[hexed root]

are there any good resources for pvp venth/ass?

[spice spire]

Venthyr is objectively better than kyrian, sure. But they’re close enough to do preference

[spice spire]

Unsure but #pvp would know more, as mostly this is PvE channel because we’re all betas 🙂

[compact pumice]

Dump kyrian yea but Outlaw wants Necro for m+ if you care about that. Venthyr still best ST for both specs I’m quite sure

[spice spire]

I’m memeing of course. But the PvP channel would definitely know a bit more than here more than likely

[compact pumice]

Most of the guides have a pvp section too

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[willow rover]

is ardent sunstar signet one of the BIS for all 3 rogue specs? Seems like every rogue has it on

[stoic needle]

Not really, it's just buyable on the ah

[spice spire]

The boe? Yeah what osh said

[dense hamlet]

bis rings would be inerva and dena/Pf.top rings

[low girder]

buyable and doesn't have mastery, basically

so it's not bad

[dense hamlet]

its not bad but u pay for it

[pulsar sluice]

what yall playing for sun king

i feel like doomblade is low key the play

and just funnel into shade

[dense hamlet]

i play outlaw on Sk

[pulsar sluice]

yeah idc for padding tho

[low girder]

if you prog yeah that's fine, add dmg is basically irrelevant

[dense hamlet]

what padding

[pulsar sluice]

all about that shield dmg

[dense hamlet]

the adds still have to die

[low girder]

on farm and after the nerf the shield dmg is stupid easy

so do whatever

[hexed arrow]

Guys be honest with me I’m coming back to the game after a loooong break and find out that assasination rogue it’s really bad now I want to know it’s is bad or unplayable?? Please he’ll me

[stoic needle]

you're reading outdated news bro we are top tier

[pulsar sluice]

its as good as old spice deo

and old spice is pretty good

[hexed arrow]

It’s is good en ape as well??

[pulsar sluice]

yes

[stoic needle]

en ape?

[hexed arrow]

Niceseeeeee

Aoe

[stoic needle]

it's worse than outlaw but it's fine

good enough to get ksm with

[hexed arrow]

Perfectttt thanks guys

[molten harbor]

@spice spire tyty

@balmy condor ty as well

[dense hamlet]

why is this "en ape " so funny to me man im dying

[manic harness]

4/10M down

Sun King has fallen bboys

Whoever designed that fight needs to be fired lmao

[low girder]

if you hate sun king

[icy crater]

its a good fight

[low girder]

boy do i have some bangers for you later in the tier

lol

[icy crater]

fuckin true

[naive surge]

Gets me every time

https://v.redd.it/iutqqcu2y8i61

[pulsar sluice]

we just got 4/10 today with inverva

bout to do sunking

[fallow otter]

Gw

[manic harness]

Oh it doesn't bother me at all

but my guildies lmao

[fallow otter]

Time to get your heal on, easy fight

[south umbra]

how long does it take to get back to max renown after swapping cov?

[slender urchin]

PIs on sludgefist feel real good

Now if we could just kill him

Pepehands

[drifting cloud]

maybe if you stopped piing rogues

would help

[low girder]

not too long if you spam, i did ~ 12-14 M+ last week, LFR, some random heroics and all the callings with renown and i'm at 38

[shy dust]

PIng rogue is pretty troll

[low girder]

and i swapped last thursday

[shy dust]

and getting renown isnt hard

just gotta spam for a day or two

[south umbra]

dope okay

begrudgingly joining the venthyr refugees

[stoic needle]

you dont really have to spam it tbh

you can just do keys

and callings

and raid

and get renown

[low girder]

i did the spam because we're extending

[stoic needle]

oof

[low girder]

and tbh fuck pugging n/h

would just occasionally queue a random heroic here and there

most of that renown came from keys, seemed guaranteed to me

[plush oasis]

I got most of my renown back by farming for a phial. Haven't gotten it yet lol

[stoic needle]

the drop chance seems to get lower the higher renown you get

but its pretty frequent at lower levels

[south umbra]

restarting with adventurers and cov upgrades is so lame too though

[stoic needle]

[low girder]

has to get pretty high, my last one i got for like 28 or something

[keen jackal]

i would recommend doing your covenant campaign, and then low keys(2-4 so no affixes, HOA runs take like 10m) to fill in the gaps and let you progress yourcampaign until you're done, then go back to spamming 2-4s can get to 40 in a day of playing

[south umbra]

biiiig ceebs

[low girder]

but i was also spamming 15s so idk

maybe difficulty goes into it

[drifting cloud]

below 10 its 100% from hc dungeon even but now with valor farm I guess low keys just better

[stoic needle]

its higher on higher difficulty i believe

[low girder]

basically did all of KSM last week lol

[drifting cloud]

and if you got callings when you swap theyll have renown at the start, you do campaign and a lfr sweep its pretty hard to not be atleast like 25

[low girder]

yeah

[shy dust]

All you need is like 31

[south umbra]

cheers lads

[low girder]

34 if you wanna theotar

[south umbra]

and with flagellation, do we pool before use or just use on CD and go about our business as usual

[low girder]

on cd, if it won't lose you a cast pair with vendetta

[shy dust]

You sync it with vendetta if it won’t cost you a cast

[low girder]

or if it's like

sludge

[south umbra]

perfect

[low girder]

you'd also hold there

[shy dust]

Also

Iqd Kinda slaps for M sire

I got stats every attempt

[split veldt]

damn boiz my parse sucked asshole (i died) but we got council down

[shy dust]

👀

Being separated from the disc priest in p3 is amazing

[drifting cloud]

but p3 is basically 3min10

[shy dust]

You basically just use on cd

Throughout the entire fight

[hexed arrow]

It’s the guide from here updated??

[shy dust]

Should be hes

Yes*

[hexed arrow]

Okok thanks

[fallow otter]

Whats your prog at @shy dust we lost 1.5hrs to door not opening 🤦‍♂️

[shy dust]

We cleared like 1 month and a half ago

[fallow otter]

Whats your % at push to p3

[drifting cloud]

40.5 so he phases?

[shy dust]

Like 40.5% is what he phases at

We have to hold dps now

[gloomy knoll]

that happend to my guild can't have people just logging off in sire room lol

[fallow otter]

Yeh, not everyone hits it when prig

[shy dust]

You can still kill it

At like 41% in that area