always sim yourself without that totem
#assassination
misty holly
How do you get the totem?
hollow escarp
it's fine, simdps is always simdps
civic trellis
Having an enhacement shamy on your group
hollow escarp
I like to know what's the best I can get in sims
civic knot
actually phial, 235, sockets, and little upgrades could come up to 7k
frosty smelt
hey guys for m sludge is it better to flagellation early to have haste up for the pillar, or flag on the pillar?
onyx wind
on pillar
civic knot
pilalr
frosty smelt
cheers
frosty smelt
feels like i cant get max value when i use on pillar because of small soak
onyx wind
flag also deals a lot of damage
spice spire
For hc depends on what is going on. Like will he die shortly after pillar? Haste might be Deece
civic trellis
feels like i cant get max value when i use on pillar because of small soak
you usually dont get out of range on soaks
maybe the first gcd only
but its rare
dull cloak
be a padlord and not soak lul
frosty smelt
feels risky not to soak with only 4 melee haha
spice spire
as venthyr
90 seconds
civic trellis
then i wouldnt save it for pilar
onyx wind
the only time u cant hit boss is if ur assigned to far soak
civic trellis
you can use it at pull, second and 4th
onyx wind
which like
civic trellis
with vendetta
onyx wind
why would u assign rogue to far soak
instead of a healer or outlaw
or whatever ukno?
frosty smelt
yeah we just started prog tonight so not much trust in the soak
i should just take the close one always
onyx wind
hpal?
frosty smelt
yeah
lilac sparrow
seems there are two different openers what simc uses, where can I find the logic?
onyx wind
seems there are two different openers what simc uses, where can I find the logic...
different openers depend on procs and crits probably
hollow escarp
well simc also opened with sepsis as Night Fae
onyx wind
also the stuff shown is a random instance out of 500
hollow escarp
lilac sparrow
different openers depend on procs and crits probably
yeah then I want to know what to do when
limber lion
On Mythic I would just use cds on pull
onyx wind
^yes thats what u do
onyx wind
yeah then I want to know what to do when
mut SnD mut always
then, if you get 2 cp from mut, u can garrote and mut again
limber lion
Yeh, would recommend lining up flag+vend on Sludge
onyx wind
i mean theres no reason not to
every flag u cast on pillar is almost 2x value
so losing casts doesnt really matter
limber lion
Yep
Plus it's more fun blasting the boss with every cd possible at every other pillar
arctic juniper
Got a link to your logs @onyx wind -- I want to mimic your rotations π
arctic juniper
What about heroics?
onyx wind
i wouldnt use heroic logs to sketch how to play on mythic
but yea for general stuff u can do its good
arctic juniper
@limber lion Thank you! Damn you got some sick parses
cold sparrow
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
onyx wind
crit>=haste>vers>=mastery
dim phoenix
Any1 got some cool plater imports for assasination ?
icy crater
I think oshosi has a decent plater profile
cold sparrow
Ah ok, I was confused as top logs had Crit and Haste on Leggo. Thank you!
cold galleon
is doomblade worth crafting for castle? or should i just stick with zoldyck?
onyx wind
Its worth if u wanna parse
hollow escarp
if you have ash, you could craft doomblade
cold galleon
alrighty cool
odd flax
do we double shadowcore oil or shar mh oil offhand for raid?
onyx wind
depends entirely on you sir
stoic needle
Double sharp
limber lion
holy fuck I'm inting
I just did a hc slg kill with MA legendary and subt+mfd+ct talents
????? 
final star
coral imp
on inerva, is it worth dotting the condem adds or just the big ones
stoic needle
limber lion
on inerva, is it worth dotting the condem adds or just the big ones
Both, small rupture on small ones and garrote+full rupt on big
If you get 2 small ones, don't bother dotting the second one
Just one of them
coral imp
ok my parses are scufffed i keep going for big ass ruptures on everything
limber lion
ok my parses are scufffed i keep going for big ass ruptures on everything
Inerva is a heavy ST boss
coral imp
@limber lion do you do log reviews π
limber lion
You just put a few bleeds up and then continue pummeling Inerva
pure moth
You can look at my logs if you want
Jesus
limber lion
I can check your logs for sure if you want
I'm sure there's others here who can do that as well
coral imp
please do β€οΈ they are pretty bad rn
onyx wind
dont look at ceverion's killtimers π
onyx wind
its not a guild
probably just a log run
where u make a really dps heavy grp comp with overgeared people
to kill boss fast and get good logs
arctic juniper
Need to get into one of those groups lol
onyx wind
yea it looks good from the outside
candid jasper
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
candid jasper
Is haste/vers a good bet for the legendary?
lofty shell
Wanna see that on sire <:kekw:610125925413289985>
think i saw some unholy dk with a hc danny killtime of 5mins
full 99 parse on hc or some sht lik that
lime mural
how is ass for pvp and pve these days?
karmic crystal
Terrible
gentle gyro
I guess they just have everyone take off charges at once
onyx wind
Is haste/vers a good bet for the legendary?
crit haste unless u pvp
lofty shell
I guess they just have everyone take off charges at once
i have no idea how u down that fight in 5 mins π
lofty shell
dang
candid jasper
exeo β Today at 4:01 PM
crit haste unless u pvp
I do but I pve more
gentle gyro
You have everyone destack twice, use druid roar so you can get to the center with 3 stacks and then just burn the boss @lofty shell
lofty shell
think my fastest kill is like 7mins
fallow glacier
We just do 4 casts and then transition
cold sparrow
What is a good amount of haste to use DS instead of Vigor?
icy crater
raidbots would have a pretty good idea I think
cold sparrow
Ty
celest ruin
how do you see weapon oils and pots in logs?
onyx wind
> exeo β Today at 4:01 PM
> crit haste unless u pvp
I do but I pve more
its really up to you then
celest ruin
nvm found the pot in casts
dim phoenix
https://wago.io/0xB3yNIxB
Thanks! π
thorn turtle
@stoic needle tips fedora
jagged flicker
5.5k sim for 211 okay?
long juniper
which 15 and 25 talent u go for raid and m+?
thorn turtle
Blindside ma, but 
upper elm
If blindside procs i there a Chance to macro ambush and multilate on the Same button 
stoic needle
Just make another keybind
limber lion
Blindside is more fun
strange python
I agree
limber lion
If it's more dps as well, then it's a double win
dull cloak
if i get a nickel everytime i see someone asking for mut/ambush macro...
charred wraith
Hello guys, finally have enough soul ash for another legendary, want to try sin for some single target fights, with a priority on sludgefist, i guess as in sims, doomblade would be the best?
limber lion
Hello guys, finally have enough soul ash for another legendary, want to try sin ...
Yes sir.
honest lake
Is sin stronger in 2 target fights than outlaw?
limber lion
Is sin stronger in 2 target fights than outlaw?
Yes, loses in 3.
upper elm
!opener
limber lion
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
old merlin
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
honest karma
I am playing both pve and pvp, what slot is the best for the MA legendary and stats?
limber lion
I am playing both pve and pvp, what slot is the best for the MA legendary and st...
Always ring
Haste/Vers on it
honest karma
for the higher amount of secondary stats right?
limber lion
for the higher amount of secondary stats right?
Yes, wrists are very low stat wise.
old merlin
Guys which legendary would you recommend? Doom or dashing
They seem to sim the same for me
limber lion
Doomblade
honest karma
Yes, wrists are very low stat wise.
Thank you π
old merlin
!bis
celest ruin
how are people doing 4.5k+ on council
im trying to follow them as much as possible but i always get 4k-4.2k at most
eternal wave
So I never actually played Assa in Shadowlands prior to 9.0.5, but how miserable was juggling SnD together with everything else with current haste levels lol?
charred mango
do you guys tab target to get bleeds up on side mobs/council bosses or mouse over macros?
delicate smelt
is there really that big difference on single target between Blindside and Elaborate planning?
i just want to use that keybind for Shiv π
ruby ingot
Maybe blindside just better for execute eh
Just take EP if u really want doesnβt matter that much
stoic needle
So I never actually played Assa in Shadowlands prior to 9.0.5, but how miserable...
It wasn't bad at all people just like to complain
stoic needle
i just want to use that keybind for Shiv π
Make your ambush keybind shift+whatever your mut keybind is. So if mut is 1 make ambush shift+1
limber lion
how are people doing 4.5k+ on council
On Mythic?
ruby ingot
Where do people keybind there shiv just curious
celest ruin
yep
worn path
Where do people keybind there shiv just curious
Shift 2
prisma crescent
Shift+R for me
limber lion
Where do people keybind there shiv just curious
q
worn path
But wat is your nine shift of that button as well
Garrotte/pistol shot for OL
limber lion
Wat do people keybind there kick too
f
worn path
R
slender berry
F13
ruby ingot
Do u have long fingers or something
hasty siren
Kick for me is middle mouse click.
stoic needle
Extra Mouse button
worn path
Itβs likely on his mouse
slender berry
it was a joke F13 doesnt exist
onyx wind
Depends on how much prior to 9.0.5 ur talking
ruby ingot
My keybind are kinda janky but watever
onyx wind
since its prob been buffed by above 20%
stoic needle
Anything that needs to be pressed quickly is on my mouse especially if it's off the gcd so I can press it while still doing rotation shit with my other hand
spice spire
Mouse gaming 
limber lion
I got an mmo mouse because I was developing CPS on my left hand
Now I get it on my right hand instead
stoic needle
Keypad or nothing
ruby ingot
I heard of a Druid that plays on controller
icy crater
I don't think shift 1 is actually a keybind that is pressable
stoic needle
The mage guy is fucking badass
civic trellis
He got ksm iirc, playing on controller
worn path
I use a foot pedal, 2 guitar hero guitars, some dk bongo drums, a gear shifter for vendetta and a steering wheel to turn
civic trellis
I use a foot pedal, 2 guitar hero guitars, some dk bongo drums, a gear shifter f...
LOL
HAHA
stoic needle
I use a foot pedal for push to talk
civic trellis
Hahaha
stoic needle
I'm upgrading to a 3 button one eventually
ruby ingot
Should I remove w as walk forward so I can use as free keybind
worn path
explain how u hit shift 1
Shift left pinky, 1 right ring finger
civic trellis
Should I remove w as walk forward so I can use as free keybind
Yep if you are comfortable with lmb+rmb
slender berry
i just plug in my mic and plug it out again for push to talk
stoic needle
explain how u hit shift 1
With your pinky and ring finger?
icy crater
???
stoic needle
icy crater
maybe my hands are fucked
stoic needle
This is the weirdest take
slender berry
dont tell me you press 1 with your pinky
thats the only way i see it being a problem for you
worn path
maybe my hands are fucked
Nah I just did it on my work keyboard and it feels nicer to use middle finger tbh lol
icy crater
if my middle finger is on my 2 key my pinky rests on tab
I think my pinkies are too long
worn path
LOL WHAT
civic trellis
Wtf
stoic needle
U wot m8
icy crater
THE TIP OF MY PINKY
worn path
<:wut:662668570110590976>
civic trellis
Your fingers are longer than your beard
ruby ingot
Really you can just macro all your basic shit together with something else and have them used by [mod] which would take many less button
civic trellis
XD
slender berry
maybe try switching shift and caps around might feel better for you maybe ?
icy crater
well its like the gap between tab and caps
ruby ingot
I have begun doing this
civic trellis
If you have binds problem what really helped me is to bind alt/ctrl to a mouse button
so you can alt 1 / ctrl 1 with ease
icy crater
I mean I don't have a binds problem
civic trellis
ctrl 2, ctrl s, ctrl q, etc
icy crater
I just have a shift 1 problem
ruby ingot
Ya I would prob fuck that up tho
worn path
I think my pinkies are too long
Save some bussy for the rest of us champ
civic trellis
Omg
slender berry
sasquatch
spice spire
Normal for me 
brittle pawn
never gonna be wet willy champion of the world, just a normal dude
ionic arrow
hello, im new to rogue and pretty much whole shadowlands stuff, how is assa doing in raids/m+ compared to other specs?
solar flicker
the pinky i use for shift got broken and its at a 45 degree angle
and i still press shift with it easily
balmy condor
The fuck did I wake up to
brittle pawn
45 is... a lot
limber lion
hello, im new to rogue and pretty much whole shadowlands stuff, how is assa doin...
Very good in raid, good in M+. Loses to Outlaw in M+
balmy condor
hello, im new to rogue and pretty much whole shadowlands stuff, how is assa doin...
Fine
solar flicker
go back to sleep the men r talking
icy crater
the pinky i use for shift got broken and its at a 45 degree angle
yeah thats op as fuck its like curled in to hit shift perfectly
spice spire
go back to sleep the men r talking
Thatβs toxic af smh
limber lion
Thatβs toxic af smh
Looks like he took the advice as he's gone now
Whispyr's gone 
spice spire
Oh shit mods gone time to post crabs 
balmy condor
I'm in class
stoic needle
mods are asleep post mastery memes
undone eagle
what lego should i use on assa if i wanna do mostly raids and in the second hand m+?
stoic needle
craft a 190 doomblade and a 190 zoldyck
balmy condor
what lego should i use on assa if i wanna do mostly raids and in the second hand...
doomblade probably, if you're trying to prog, you would take a hit to single target and craft zold
strange python
So I am thinking about making the switch from outlaw to mut for raiding (I will prob stay outlaw for m+) but do you guys think I should rock Doomblade or Zold? Zold seems more fun of a concept...thoughts anyone?
strange python
I will be waiting a couple weeks though...I am just going to pool ash and make one of them in like 3 weeks. That will give me time to get better daggers.
Kk
Oh damn...I didn't realize someone legit just asked that. Man I'm troll
strange python
Looooove me some big juicy envenoms for sure.
ruby ingot
But zoldycks is still like 300-490 dps higher on execute
undone eagle
wtf assa is so nice now
u have so long slice n dice cuz u use envenom all the time haha
its like never gone
limber lion
Yeah it's very smooth to play
undone eagle
finally
ruby ingot
So if your are on daddy go zoldycks for ez p3
limber lion
Still little on the slower side, but I enjoy it
limber lion
so now i just need to track my garrote + bleed in this case
Absolutely, those are the 2 most important things to track tbh
undone eagle
you dont do bonus dmg garrote when u open in stealth right?
limber lion
Get a good pack, that'll sort you out
undone eagle
that was a BFA thing if i remember
ruby ingot
This might be a problem with my guildies, but on heroic site I am like 490-500k higher daddy dmg than the next person..
limber lion
you dont do bonus dmg garrote when u open in stealth right?
You do if you use Subterfuge or Nightstalker talents
limber lion
This might be a problem with my guildies, but on heroic site I am like 490-500k ...
daddy damage 
balmy condor
pins :)
undone eagle
yeye thanks
rancid bobcat
Does outlaw still beat assa in a 2 target situation
limber lion
Yes, most people are playing BS + DS or EP + Vigor
rancid bobcat
Like p2 denathrius/remornia damage
limber lion
Does outlaw still beat assa in a 2 target situation
Pretty sure Assa is king in 1/2 targets.
And Outlaw shines in 3+
ruby ingot
On daddy adds are red hearing just basically ignore them as ass and burn down that daddy and dot remornia p2
Sometimes I focus only on remornia to meme around
rancid bobcat
Yeah but is it worth switching to it over outlaw for pure 2t
strange python
ruby ingot
And people are like, where is your daddy dmg and I say look at remornia boys
icy crater
whispyr assa chat spreading rumors about you
They said that you said to just spread 1 garrote on council, I refuse to believe it
balmy condor
that's what I said, yep
sullen fossil
whispyr i'm getting close to 34% crit
icy crater
π€
hollow escarp
is the 35% crit meme back?
hollow talon
if im a kyrian sadboi doing sludgefist mythic is it better to do kleia or pelagos
limber lion
It never left
hollow talon
they both sim about the same on patchwerk
icy crater
hmm?
hollow escarp
people think there is a crit breakpoint
lean notch
Yo is Mutilated Flesh debuff a bit wonky with its duration or am I getting wrong readings cuz i got a higher ping atm? Using WA's to check into miliseconds and sometimes Mut applies MutFlesh for 7 seconds, sometimes 8, sometimes 9. Pandemic would be 0.25 so don't think it should be reaching 9. Am I missing something?
hollow escarp
where all the issues of the spec are fixed
limber lion
Hold on to your hats my boys, it's gonna be a wild ride
frosty bridge
if im a kyrian sadboi doing sludgefist mythic is it better to do kleia or pelago...
Nadjia 
hollow talon
Nadjia <:peophammer:590832416138985472>
limber lion
Yo is Mutilated Flesh debuff a bit wonky with its duration or am I getting wrong...
Pandemic is 30% of the applied duration*
ruby ingot
ya flag on pillars is broken boys
lean notch
Pandemic is 30% of the applied duration*
Oh wait I did 0.03 instead of 0.3 maybe I was dropped as a kid. Anyway I still got 9 sec applications from neutral, no debuff pandemic.
undone eagle
aight @balmy condor i decided to respec assa π so tell me please, if i go doomblade now cuz of raid and a bit of m+, what slot should i get the lego on?
shoulder or hands?
my all items are 226 so its no ilvl increase either way
balmy condor
de peens
hollow escarp
undone eagle
o oki
limber lion
are u trolling me too
Nah we're just boys having fun here
balmy condor
Yo is Mutilated Flesh debuff a bit wonky with its duration or am I getting wrong...
it doesn't pandemic, it works like ignite
icy crater
do you pronounce my name like yor-din
undone eagle
dope pins there ngl
limber lion
do you pronounce my name like yor-din
Chor-dan?
undone eagle
wait lmfao imagien going master assasin talent + MA lego
limber lion
I'm guessing your name is pronounced JΓ₯r-dan
undone eagle
150% crit for a few secs
lean notch
it doesn't pandemic, it works like ignite
Gotcha, any clue as to why it lasts anywhere from 7-9 sec on application? Experienced anything similar by any chance? If not I'll blame the 70ms
limber lion
150% crit for a few secs
My boy
fleet thorn
does SBS work with Zoldyk?
limber lion
100% crit = You always crit
150% crit = You always crit but you have 50% extra crit for no reason
onyx wind
it looks cool
undone eagle
o i took it like 50% extra big dmg
π
thought*
my sentence just got fucked up idk what i just wrote
balmy condor
Gotcha, any clue as to why it lasts anywhere from 7-9 sec on application? Experi...
well I should say that it does pandemic, but re-applying outside of it doesn't work like a normal pandemic
undone eagle
i thought it was 50% extra crit dmg*
balmy condor
so the duration will increase like pandemic
but you don't lose any damage refreshing outside of it
if you mut twice in a row, the damage transfers over, and the duration pandemics
limber lion
strange python
is there a bis list somewhere for assa ?
limber lion
is there a bis list somewhere for assa ?
No, but you can use droptimizer and top gear in Raidbots to figure out your best items.
gloomy fern
im thorn, i wanna bench myself for sludge today cus reprogg due to 7 new ppl but i also wanna log
limber lion
im thorn, i wanna bench myself for sludge today cus reprogg due to 7 new ppl but...
Hello Thorn.
amber briar
Zoldyck, legs or feet?
limber lion
It might be hard to log with 7 newbies
Or they might be giga-pumpers because they have to show-off their abilities
A hit or miss for sure
limber lion
Zoldyck, legs or feet?
Legs
amber briar
thanks!
gloomy fern
its a fiesta
balmy condor
is there a bis list somewhere for assa ?
there is, but it is not public, because people started trolling themselves by just using bis over simming themselves
I would suggest droptimizer for any question you have
onyx wind
its a fiesta
mythic or hc?
mythic logs dont depend that much on grp, apart from not dying i guess right?
so as long as they dont kill u with chains
limber lion
Better group = faster kill times = better logs
gloomy fern
yes im progging hc sludge 
onyx wind
u never know
gloomy fern
reprogging*
limber lion
how good is sin on council?
Pretty good
ruby ingot
Wat dps have people been pulling on heroic daddy after 9.0.5 as ass, I got a kill last week and was at 4.6k
ruby ingot
Using zoldyck
onyx wind
wait what the fuck are they sorting by on WCL now?
limber lion
Doesn't do jack shit to the adds, but that's what the boomies are for.
onyx wind
like what is this list
gloomy fern
boss dmg
limber lion
Hmm
balmy condor
Hmm
fleet thorn
Yes it does, Dalaran
TYTY!
undone eagle
just curious
balmy condor
boi if you boutta ask me a pinned question
undone eagle
since shoulders ost 15k gold less i think imma just stick to it π
lean notch
if you mut twice in a row, the damage transfers over, and the duration pandemics
Oh i see, so the ignite comparison was perfect. Alright I dont have to sweat about it then. Cheers, thanks for the info 
balmy condor
yeh that's fine
balmy condor
Oh i see, so the ignite comparison was perfect. Alright I dont have to sweat abo...
np
drifting light
boi if you boutta ask me a pinned question
icy crater
yeah why is there no sims for 2 target cleave 
undone eagle
i forgot the items that you add for your lego, the stats
hard pivot
Wat dps have people been pulling on heroic daddy after 9.0.5 as ass, I got a kil...
I hit over 5k on my last kill with Zoldyck
balmy condor
to do that again
undone eagle
what is it called for AH π
icy crater
lmao
balmy condor
umbrahide
undone eagle
nono
limber lion
Necro wins in 2T
undone eagle
haste+crit
balmy condor
yep
limber lion
That's all you need to know my boy
onyx wind
cause necro sucks ass
limber lion
Too many buttons to press
onyx wind
yw
icy crater
necro pumps ass*
balmy condor
infinite dots are jank
icy crater
I swapped venth last night and I got a 200 lashing out of my very first calling at like 4 renown
limber lion
Too bad I'm a whore for ST
ruby ingot
Is it better to use zoldyck on council because of 3 execute phases
stoic needle
since shoulders ost 15k gold less i think imma just stick to it π
Bro just get the gloves 
don't do less dps cuz you wanna be cheap
limber lion
Is it better to use zoldyck on council because of 3 execute phases
Zoldyck can work for sure, but Doomblade is really good for pushing the bosses to dance phase
onyx wind
but yes, on progress you should
loud light
Is it better to use zoldyck on council because of 3 execute phases
think people use it more because the scariest part is killing the last boss before your tank dies
icy crater
zold value increases by the amount of people that die in execute
limber lion
The hardest parts are the swaps from one boss to the other before the dance.
undone eagle
@stoic needle wdym, whispyr just said shoulder or hands doesnt matter? its same stat no?
frigid kestrel
Exsanguinate + SBS = The Dream (if it actually works). I heard this was legit a thing or something
gloomy fern
if u can kill slg mythic there are 233 shoulders hence hands is preferable
nimble spoke
If you can get mythic shoulders, do hands
frigid kestrel
like i heard in PTR you could do it
icy crater
yeah it was doing about 40k dps on ptr
undone eagle
i doubt ill reach generals mythic or sire @nimble spoke
outer cairn
DB for ST if your focus is raiding. Zoldyck if your focus is M+, plus the execute damage doesn't hurt to have in riad
ruby ingot
No Iβm talking about council fight
outer cairn
ohhh
simple imp
Question on opener... Guides are saying to use Mut from stealth as first attack. Any reason not to use ambush instead since it has higher damage for same energy?
nimble spoke
more combo points on mut
outer cairn
More CPs with MA
topaz saffron
More Combo Points Fam
outer cairn
usually get 3
silent tinsel
Chat moving to fast to know my Ilvl 35 scarlet monetary trinket restores bonkers mana on my healer
hazy geyser
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
outer cairn
Its Mut, because MA can make each of your MH and OH crit, so on avg, you'll get 3 CPs. If both crit you get 4. If the gods hate you, you only get 2, but 3 is enough to start up your SnD and get the rest of your shit rolling
outer cairn
Knowing is half the battle. The other half is extreme violence
balmy condor
So doomblade or zoldycks haha
doom, because you're not actually getting anything extra out of zoldyck
outer cairn
@ruby ingot Honestly, I think you'll benefit either way. Zoldyck's is going to give you 3 executes, but that is only on the second part of each boss so you'll help finish them off. But, since council is technically a ST fight, Doomblade is going to benefit you regardless
balmy condor
I see your shit jordan
icy crater
huh?
balmy condor
get back here
icy crater
mhm?
balmy condor
icy crater
LOL
ruby ingot
Ok
outer cairn
Try it out and report back. Do council with each and see what works better
outer cairn
Yeah. I don't do well on council. I for some reason just fuck up being out of range since they all have small hit boxes and shit.
subtle tundra
ok hear me out just because there are 3 execute phases it doesnt mean it is more execute uptime
ruby ingot
Ya I understand that
icy crater
who said that?
ruby ingot
But it might still be the same uptime as any other
stoic needle
doom, because you're not actually getting anything extra out of zoldyck
but you get 3 execute phases
balmy condor
crazy
subtle tundra
damn meth's hard
icy crater
yes
because you can double use of 2 min cds
triple even
when you get 2 uses optimally in your example
π
outer cairn
Honestly, its probably going to be different for most people unless you are at the point of min/maxing anyways. Idk cause I'm still waiting to get Zoldyck to rank 4 because I do a lot of M+, but i'm going to make DB next
gentle gyro
Feels like a 'whats heavier, 1 ton of steel or 1 ton of feathers' type of thing
subtle tundra
because you can double use of 2 min cds
cause you know exact timers on each pull to get full vendetta uptime in execute?
icy crater
cause you know exact timers on each pull to get full vendetta uptime in execute?
yeah, don't you?
gentle gyro
Amateur
subtle tundra
no cause my raid usually gets better and timers change week by week ^^
balmy condor
Wat if itβs agility trinkets
then I guess, sure
subtle tundra
ok i dont know if this is sarcasm anymore
gentle gyro
My guild wipes on xymox now due to the nerfs
No cap we have to hold dps.
ruby ingot
Wait wats sarcasm Iβm confused
icy crater
ok no troll 3 mins of exe = 3x 1 mins of exe if cd usage is the same
if you can vendetta for each 3x 1 mins exe thats better
onyx wind
XD
icy crater
does this have anything to do with what lego you should pick on council? no
onyx wind
sub 1 min shriek
gentle gyro
Lol wat
ruby ingot
Ya Jordan makes sense here get outsmarted everyone
ruby ingot
Plus is it possible to use 2 pots on council if you use one first execute
icy crater
what in the fuck is that log lmfao
onyx wind
scripe is doing a 28 boomie run on HC
gentle gyro
Ahaha wtf is that log
cold sparrow
Hello a question about Ambush when it proccs after Mut: If I have 5 or 6 CP, do I Envenom first and then Ambush?
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
gentle gyro
You never want to overcap cp except with shiv
onyx wind
THEY ONESHOT ONE OF THE DOGS ON HUNTSMAN
cold sparrow
ah ok, thank you!
icy crater
i gotta watch this vod later
ruby ingot
Ya where is the vid of this shriek kill
outer cairn
@cold sparrow Don't think that answered your question, but yes, use envenom or refresh rupture if need be then use the proc otherwise you're wasting 1-2 CPs
undone eagle
@balmy condor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/779790486255697930/assassination.png
Sorry but what are the slots called for Nadija?
since i need to change it, i had sub ones
dmg slots
i cant find the logo of the assa dmg ones
balmy condor
fthat's not actually up to date
undone eagle
Well-placed Steel is one of them right?
balmy condor
should take potency conduits as per the pins
vestal wren
i need to update those, might do so on weekend if i find time
undone eagle
aight cheers
vestal wren
but the main diffrence is that you pick the covenant conduit on venthyr
ruby ingot
Wat soulbind to use for m+, I was reading on hero dmg I think that draven is actually best??
cold sparrow
<@!96264425639538688> Don't think that answered your question, but yes, use enve...
Ty!
outer cairn
yeah i go nadje for ST and use Lashing and go towards the Duelist conduit and for AoE Theotar and use katar and lashing or lethal poisons. can't remember right now
ruby ingot
Itβs lethal poisons
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> wdym, whispyr just said shoulder or hands doesnt matter?...
If you can get slg shoulders it'll be a 30 dps or so loss to have it on shoulders and have 226 gloves vs 233 shoulders and 235 glovss
undone eagle
@stoic needle yeah as i mentioned, i wont be able to get slg i think haha
tardy spruce
hey guys forgive my ignorance had a look at revenholdt and wow head, cant seem to see where my covenant ability drops into the opener?
stoic needle
Never say never. It'll probably be easier and nerfed more in 9.1
tardy spruce
im playing night fae currently
cold sparrow
Maybe one more question about Shiv/Vendetta. Should I have a certain amount of Energy when using them? E.g. if I have almost no energy and use shiv, wont I waste the 20% increased nature dmg buff if I cannot maximize the usage of Envenom? Same applies to Vendetta but all abilities?
undone eagle
@stoic needle if thats the case, i just buy hands then yolo, i got enough gold dw, also its easy to earn by boe drops xD
stoic needle
That's my exact point. It's just 15k no reason to skimp
onyx wind
not picking tea when going theotar π
undone eagle
yeye i might do a mistake there but its a lesson for life now
π
didnt think so far
ruby ingot
You basically just sit and patiently wait for energy to almost max out then shove at max combo point
glass fulcrum
ok question
ruby ingot
Then get as many envenom sim as you can
cold sparrow
makes sense, thank you!
ruby ingot
And I guess you could vendetta right after that but usually I think you vendetta after applying bleeds, then it should still be up for the full duration of the shiv buff
glass fulcrum
do you guys actually wait for flagelation with vendetta sync for more dps bigger burst window just use on cd?
shy dust
do you guys actually wait for flagelation with vendetta sync for more dps bi...
Depends on fight and the length of it
But yeah like Tryan said you do sync them on sludgefist
glass fulcrum
thank you so much
tardy spruce
hey guys is there anybody i can message with a few queries regarding assa opener with night fae ability please? dont wanna spam. thanks
shy dust
You can post the question here
tardy spruce
i did it got buried, 1 sec
forgive me ignorance, ive had a look at the wow head and ravenholdt guides, but i cant seem to see where sepsis slots into the opener,
im running the recommended talent setup in the pins
raided sin back on mythic argus, but its been some time since ive played it
shy dust
Right before your vendetta and shiv I believe
tardy spruce
thanks matey, the sim seems to tell me something different from the ravenholdt opener which is interesting
strange python
Hows everyone liking ass so far? Im switching coming monday from Outlaw just seeing how everyoens liking it
onyx wind
ass > boobs
celest marlin
what stats on Leggings with Zoldyck?
onyx wind
crit haste
spice spire
Haste vers also works
onyx wind
π vers > crit guys
spice spire
Both are fine. Simming your better stats will help the decision though
spice spire
Iβd probably recommend crit, but there are off chances that vers might be better
celest marlin
What is the target for crit? is 24% the top limit?
onyx wind
dont craft legendaries based on ur current stat weights
spice spire
Itβs definitely not vers > crit.
But itβs better to say all options
onyx wind
craft based on what stats scale the best
pearl canyon
does bottled flayedwing increase its damage based on our mastery as well?
spice spire
What is the target for crit? is 24% the top limit?
Thereβs no target just vibe my dude
spice spire
craft based on what stats scale the best
Did you just use the S word in this discord?
spice spire
or is it static
Itβs static
thorny pond
Preach said we'd scale well!
spice spire
Everyone scales with buffs
thorny pond
can I put buffs/haste on my zold pants then?
onyx wind
i would put buffs/bugfixes instead
thorny pond
This isn't WW discord?
stoic needle
if you dont craft haste/mastery doomblade you're a coward
dull cargo
!
odd python
!STATS
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
abstract helm
so basically exactly the same as outlaw
safe barn
candid jasper
is sin playing blindside?
candid jasper
gotcha
glad narwhal
New to Rogue and just hit 60. With the recent changes, is Assassination viable for M+ / alt raiding? Or should I be sticking with Outlaw?
balmy condor
yeah it's fine
gentle gyro
S C A L I N G B O Y S
lean geyser
Howβs sin in pvp any good?
arctic cloud
https://wago.io/0xB3yNIxB
Can this work via just C&P into WA's or do i need another addon?>
limber lion
Howβs sin in pvp any good?
Really good, big damage
limber lion
Can this work via just C&P into WA's or do i need another addon?>
It's Plater, not a WA
Just hosted on the same site
raven locust
@lean geyser It's pretty good in 3s, you have really strong sustain and burst for kill windows
I didnt like it much in 2s though
charred mango
do you guys tab target to get bleeds up on side mobs/council bosses or mouse over macros?
stoic needle
Can this work via just C&P into WA's or do i need another addon?>
You need the plater addon
limber lion
do you guys tab target to get bleeds up on side mobs/council bosses or mouse ove...
I tab target a lot myself, but sometime clicking nameplates is the better option
wide lily
is ass the goto for M+?
limber lion
No
wide lily
rgr
limber lion
Outlaw is 
wide lily
I poked around the pinned and didnt see, whats gap between em?
gentle gyro
sin is completely fine in m+. not outlaw level but then again, who is
royal lantern
fire mage :?
gentle gyro
this here is a mage free zone
glad narwhal
Is it considerable? Or are we talking about pushing super high keys here?
limber lion
I poked around the pinned and didnt see, whats gap between em?
It's not a massive gap, Outlaw just does a little more damage and brings more utility, so a win-win for Outlaw's.
But Assa is by no means bad.
slow marsh
Outlaw is just easier for m+ for consistency every pack but I'm doing 15s 16s really easily as sin
vestal wharf
Isnt it a nightmare to not get energy capped during Vendetta/Flag as DS?
slow marsh
Tell your group that you will blow up any prio ST like prides or big boys and let them use CDs for aoe pulls
stoic needle
I just press my buttons, I don't particularly have that problem
slow marsh
Isnt it a nightmare to not get energy capped during Vendetta/Flag as DS?
No
With hero it gets tough though
rocky ruin
@balmy condor how can i change the ilvl for items in simc?
balmy condor
You can add ilevel=x to the line
rocky ruin
sweet thx
limber lion
Good
limber lion
Why do you want it
raven locust
PI is much better for Unholy anyway
shy dust
Dk with all their cooldowns
frosty bridge
thats what i mean
raven locust
If you're done with Progression then just ask them, but if you're still on prog it's definitely griefing to not give it to Unholy
frosty bridge
true true
cold sparrow
Is there a Kui Nameplate option that lets the debuff (e.g. Rupture) glow when it is about to fall off? I have seen it in some streams but I dont know if they are using Kui
raven locust
Gonna have to offer up that sweet gold for PI
stoic needle
Is there a Kui Nameplate option that lets the debuff (e.g. Rupture) glow when it...
I don't think it's possible with kui. I tried to add it but had to switch to plater
fallen cosmos
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
gentle sable
how come we moved from vigor to deeper ?
fallen cosmos
venthyr cov ability gives a ton of haste
gentle sable
as a necro should i stick to vigor ? with 21% haste ?
strange python
That's a lot of hate lol
brittle pawn
i think it was like 25% to go DS as non venthyr
royal lantern
as a necro should i stick to vigor ? with 21% haste ?
srsly
sim
thats all
no breaktrought points or something
just sim
raven locust
Too many variables influence talents and which items to wear, you'll have to sim anytime you have a question like that
odd heath
For me, at 22% haste, NF, deeper sims 7dps higher than vigor
There's no exact breakpoint for it
shy dust
No
warped shale
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
stoic needle
you used to be able to cancel thrill seeker stacks so that you could control when the proc would happen
they patched it though
icy crater
ah ok
shy dust
Gz
shy dust
Thatβs a lot of valor
stoic needle
slow tulip
bois
spice spire
Thatβs a W
slow tulip
do you think assa is better for stone legion generals or outlaw
shy dust
Outlaw
slow tulip
for mythic prog
spice spire
Expecting big papa numbers
shy dust
No question
spice spire
Outlaw for mythic 100%%%%%
slow tulip
im venthyr btw π
spice spire
Like thatβs one boss where itβs not even close
shy dust
Adds need to die
candid mountain
https://i.imgur.com/7aQfNCv.png
What is the addon that says you have collected this in your appearance?
slow marsh
The only fight outlaw is better on but even then it's better to bring another melee cleave and bench rogue
slow tulip
i can smell it :/
marsh yew
SLG is probably one of the fights with the biggest difference between outlaw and assassination
Haven't looked at logs for awhile between the two but it used to be like that at least π
raven locust
@candid mountain I believe it's just ELVUI, mine does it too and I dont have any specific addons for it
shy dust
this will be a horrible boss
Yes itβs one of the worst bosses
raven locust
SLG is a bad boss
slow tulip
too much rng too much down time :/
raven locust
yep
candid mountain
<@!668509917304324120> I believe it's just ELVUI, mine does it too and I dont ha...
Ok.
odd heath
Slg is terrible
gentle gyro
What is the addon that says you have collected this in your appearance?
sorry didn't see, it's "Better Wardrobe"
candid mountain
Ok.
sharp pawn
any1 knows optional pull rotation on mythic council
sour wraith
Set up your dots +snd and hold vendetta/tb until after the first attendant
strange python
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
keen tree
If you have the master assassin talent you open with a mutilate, snd, mut and then garrotte (right?). What if you dont have the talent but are using the MA lego? Do you still open with Mut or do you go with Garrotte?
sour wraith
If you're running subterfuge, opener i believe is gar-mut-snd-mut
keen tree
kk thx
I understand you can try to use vanish and vendetta together. What is the interaction? Which do you do first?
balmy condor
well if you play with MA, you want to vanish during vendetta, and if you play subterfuge, you want to vanish to get a subt garrote up through vendetta
either way, you want to vanish with vendetta to get the effect of the talent you chose
keen tree
ok so flag, vendetta, vanish - and then depending on talents either garr or mut?
keen tree
ah yes ok
wowhead says flag first, then vend then finisher but i will go with your advice
balmy condor
it won't matter at all
keen tree
kk
balmy condor
openers are super overrated
keen tree
yah cool
glacial quarry
i was so apprehensive about blindside, but just did my first raid as assassination and it feels amazing 
going from energy starve of dungeons to energy glut with the ST build is pretty wild -- at how much haste does deeper strat work better?
balmy condor
when it sims higher
stoic needle
It's funny that you think dungeons are energy starved and St has energy surplus when it's the exact opposite really
prime narwhal
is there a crit cap for assassin?
brittle pawn
100%
prime narwhal
is there a point at which getting more crit rating isn't worth it anymore
balmy condor
100%
plain thistle
urban gale
what if there was a spec that did 10% more damage than the second highest spec in the game but the rotation was you press 1 button every 30 seconds and literally don't do anything else
glacial quarry
It's funny that you think dungeons are energy starved and St has energy surplus ...
i'm still v low ilevel with this alt and stuff dies before i get to spread my ruptures around 
but this week is fort, i look forward to doing some keys and getting to properly aoe as ass
urban gale
what is the upper limit on self torture people will endure to do the most damage
urban gale
how many people would main a class that had no abilities but did the most damage with just auto attacks
low girder
what if there was a spec that did 10% more damage than the second highest spec i...
sounds like HFC arcane to me
urban gale
lol
low girder
tired falcon
whats st opener with sbs?
unkempt belfry
what if there was a spec that did 10% more damage than the second highest spec i...
some of the raiders I know would still find a way to get hit by mechanics not paying attention...
fathom lynx
whats st opener with sbs?
I'm sure this is covered in the guides. It depends on your talent setup and boss fight.
fathom lynx
some of the raiders I know would still find a way to get hit by mechanics not pa...
Is this me
unkempt belfry
Do you find yourself standing in easily avoidable mechanics? If so, maybe, lol
fathom lynx
I wouldn't know about that - but my healers complain vehemently
Also, can I just say: Necrolord is so much fun. So, so much fun
brittle pawn
ew
livid temple
I finally got the neck out of spires of ascension! After 12 runs, the struggle is over. Now it's back to Mists for the chest piece, 14 runs in ? More to go
limber lion
I finally got the neck out of spires of ascension! After 12 runs, the struggle i...
Damn ya'll are crazy with the farming
I did 3 runs of Plaguefall to get my trinket and then 8 runs to get valor and that felt like a chore
Then there's people doing 38 runs for a dagger
Jeez
arctic cloud
Iβm 223 and canβt get into groups feelsbad even at an average 1400 io as well
Making me lose the will to play rogue
Only queueing for 15s as well π
Guess I play mage and get insta invited
heavy skiff
Then there's people doing 38 runs for a dagger
I hate mist now xD
fathom lynx
What kind of simulation represents Sire best? Add Cleave or Hectic Add Cleave?
wet condor
Iβm 223 and canβt get into groups feelsbad even at an average 1400 io as well
because higher rio ppl apply for 14-15, not because rogue is bad. they would inst invite u with 1.8
gloomy fern
worst raiding day ever
stray mural
223 @ 1.4k is completely average for 15βs wtf are they looking for? @arctic cloud
arctic cloud
Meta i guess
stray mural
Maybe assa is more valuable to groups on Tyrannical weeks
solar flicker
rogues are meta bro what are u smoking
alpine oasis
above average
stray mural
This is why I pug my own key
arctic cloud
okay "rogues that dont play outlaw cause its fucking garbage"
compact pumice
I found I get invited more to higher keys than 14-15 since they look at IO more than class/meta then
gentle gyro
rogues are meta bro what are u smoking
only in very high keys and even then rogue brings basically no utility to the group
compact pumice
Anyone who usually is pushing keys as outlaw and has tried to swap to assass and still feel useful? I find it so hard to justify the overall dps decrease and loss of gouge. But then I might just not be good at assass aoe yet
gentle gyro
i mean if one can play both then there is little reason outside of personal preference to go sin over outlaw
for dungeons, that is
but that could be said for many specs and classes
compact pumice
Maybe I can work on it a bit though. Donβt think the sims show the big difference that I actually end up with in the overall dps, so that indicates that my playing the assa side is probably not optimal
stoic needle
I mean law sims like 1k+ dps higher on dslice to sin
onyx wind
yea but necro sub sims higher than kyrian outlaw on 20 targets 20 minutes
compact pumice
I mean law sims like 1k+ dps higher on dslice to sin
Oh thatβs kinda what Iβm getting actually
Thatβs probably why I feel worse on it then...
limber lion
Anyone who usually is pushing keys as outlaw and has tried to swap to assass and...
Honestly they're pretty similar in DPS. It's not a huge loss and unless you're doing really high keys, like +25, it won't matter.
The loss of some utility can be pretty meh especially if you're used to using Gouge etc. actively
But it's not terrible and you can easily do +20 keys as Assa.
onyx wind
i just want to snapshot bleeds while playing exsanguinate with haste trinkets
is that too much to ask blizzard?
limber lion
Loosely using the key easily here, but it's definitely possible.
limber lion
i just want to snapshot bleeds while playing exsanguinate with haste trinkets
I agree tbh
onyx wind
123 miss uldir
limber lion
Exsang is a lot of fun to play around with and snapshotting is just dank
compact pumice
I mean Iβm losing like 1k overall, dps is not everything though, but if weβre struggling doing 19s then I feel like I want to do the best for the group you know?
onyx wind
with haste trinket from dungeon and shrouded
limber lion
I mean Iβm losing like 1k overall, dps is not everything though, but if weβre st...
Yeah if you have a dedicated group your doing keys with and you want to be the best that you can be, then Outlaw is the play. But once you get more comfortable with Assa, it's not going to be 1k loss.
I do around 6.8k-7.2k overall in dense-heavy dungeons, which is pretty decent
And I'm no means the best M+ by any means, I'm actually quite shit :p
raven hollow
Gonna try running Sin for our MKael prog tonight. Should I run Blindside or Elaborate Planning for the burst?
limber lion
Gonna try running Sin for our MKael prog tonight. Should I run Blindside or Elab...
EP
onyx wind
blindside is banger on last phase
stoic needle
Gonna try running Sin for our MKael prog tonight. Should I run Blindside or Elab...
EP, NS, MFD with Ma legendary
mint quest
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
raven hollow
Thanks. CT for the add phases or just run PB?
compact pumice
Honestly I did the blindside, MA, DS normal ST build and doomblade for our MKael progress and I still did most shield damage so
limber lion
Honestly I did the blindside, MA, DS normal ST build and doomblade for our MKael...
wat
compact pumice
Parses /= progression IMO
onyx wind
but pretty sure u can get more value with EP if u dot up phoenixes and stuff
icy crater
are you going to look back at a pic of your wcl rankings or check your achev log for CE
xd
compact pumice
Totally worth it
onyx wind
are you going to look back at a pic of your wcl rankings or check your achev log...
why not both
onyx wind
any 99% parsers with prydaz in legion?
limber lion
Lmao
icy crater
of #teamprydaz
compact pumice
Iβm not saying not to parse on #2 kill π
onyx wind
some of us didnt have a choice :)
limber lion
Oh right, I started in 7.3 so wasn't too bad
upper summit
why do my weapons lose durability so fast on assassination
limber lion
I was rocking Kil'jaeiden's Burning Rage for the longest time tho :--D
icy crater
icy crater
onyx wind
even with all that shit
legion assa was still a lot of fun
early BFA tho
dont think anything beats that
limber lion
I liked 8.3 with 9x EXP3 :^9
subtle tundra
you fucked yourself by playing classic
stoic needle
and just not playing mmos at all during legion
stoic needle
i think AQ
the AQ gate opening event was pretty incredible
because our server was small and it played out semi like it did back in the day
but other than that classic was pretty meh
drifting light
Haste amps corruption sin rogue was fun
carmine fable
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
carmine fable
!legendary
delicate shale
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/83J6zvRAVMCckFtb/#fight=1&type=damage-done i posted in here earlier in the week about rotation and after working on it a bit more and changing some weakauras was wondering if anyone would mind checking if im making any more mistakes
slow marsh
are you going to look back at a pic of your wcl rankings or check your achev log...
Why not both
slow marsh
!legendary
Pick up haste/crit as much as you can and zold for execute doomblade for ST not needing execute
cloud crown
!bis
carmine fable
Pick up haste/crit as much as you can and zold for execute doomblade for ST not ...
i was thinking about going assa for ST + some random pvp
is it really worth to change spec for st raid fights? because CN bosses are mostly AoE xd