assassination

[vast patio]

Detection and the bag are some fun rogue only things you have to grab.

[stoic needle]

If the duration of the debuff was longer it would be awesome

But I wouldn't mind spending cp to make everyone do more damage

[balmy condor]

So then take it in m+

[stoic needle]

I would if iron wire wasn't better

And if it worked on bosses

[balmy condor]

But iron wire isn’t making that fire mage damage hoooog

[thorny shore]

how many targets to spam CT? 8?

[balmy condor]

Infinite

[stoic needle]

More than 8 but only to get CT up on everything

It's not spamming in the traditional sense

[thorny shore]

I mean CT over envenom

[balmy condor]

Yeah

You dont

[civic trellis]

I used to play sin at wotlk where you had to maximize the uptime of envenenom buff. Is that still a thing?

[balmy condor]

Yes

It’s not as important though

[civic trellis]

What about pooling energy and cp for shiv?

[stoic needle]

[quaint phoenix]

Do we play the same game?

[civic trellis]

Idk if its that significant

[balmy condor]

Same thing, it exists, but it doesn’t matter that much

[royal lantern]

want the mean or the normal answer :?

[vast patio]

Fight fight fight fight fight

[civic trellis]

And envenenom buff only affects envenenom damage itself and poisons, right?

[balmy condor]

It’s poison application only

[civic trellis]

Oh envenenom is not nature damage?

[balmy condor]

It is

[civic trellis]

Uhm

[balmy condor]

But the envenom buff is poison application rate

[thorn turtle]

do u play theotar for m+?

[balmy condor]

Yeah, you can

It’s either theotar, or double potency nadjia

From what I’ve seen from sims

[thorn turtle]

what is the second potency for m+?

FoK one?

[balmy condor]

Either that or lethal

[stoic needle]

exacting prep nadjia though

[civic trellis]

Oh i see thanks

[strange python]

"rogue dmg is gud"
me on my druid main:

[civic trellis]

Btw sbs conduit dot can crit, i guess its intended

[subtle tundra]

why is it spiteful? i gotta play outlaw now cringe 😦

[royal lantern]

rogue dmg is.....like just good

[ionic kelp]

rogue is a feral with an immunity + execute

[royal lantern]

its not great

its not bad

its just....good right now

nothing special

[ionic kelp]

its really good tho?

what are you comparing it to, and in what sense?

[royal lantern]

still no reason too take you over the classes that do more dmg AND have utility

[vast patio]

It's not really an immunity, technically.

[thorn turtle]

do u prefer cloaked in shadows or slice conduit for m+?

[royal lantern]

[thorn turtle]

ah wait u get both

[balmy condor]

I haven’t used cloaked in shadows in my life

I can see it on like bursting weeks or something if you can get it off

[thorn turtle]

so it's nimble and recup i guess

[vast patio]

It's mostly for pvp

[strange python]

how you getting two endurance condis

[limber lion]

Cloaked is op af in PvP

[stoic needle]

cloaked is good for plaguefall

[ionic kelp]

cloak in keys is super helpful if you arent running some super meta ass comp

[thorn turtle]

theotar

[stoic needle]

because FUCK PLAGUEFALL

[strange python]

you not taking double potency?

[balmy condor]

Not usually, no

[strange python]

or double finesse

but why double endurance?

[subtle tundra]

because that was the path

[outer cairn]

For M+ whats a good balance of crit and haste? Stacking crit, but my haste is pretty low now and i can really feel it until bleeds are going compared to if i just leave it where I'm at with ST

[strange python]

oh im talking in sin channel not sub channel

im sorry my bad

[stoic needle]

[strange python]

kek

[balmy condor]

The one that sims highest

But honestly just wear your normal gear

Our stats barely change

[onyx wind]

we made it

(literally)

made it

[strange python]

e z

[outer cairn]

Yeah I noticed I get more CPs from FoK, but its taking longer to apply everything to start cause low haste so its like what's the point

[strange python]

wow 2.0 when

[stoic needle]

pog

mine is still 210 i need to farm more valor

[onyx wind]

did a +3 nw

pulled entire dungeon

oneshot it with spears

[vast patio]

I feel like if the current team made a wow 2 it would fail faster than you can say 'SWTOR'

[onyx wind]

XD

[balmy condor]

Well the main thing is that 5/6 of your top damage sources are most likely affected by haste as well

[stoic needle]

that sounds like so much fun lmao

[outer cairn]

yah

[strange python]

lmao

i would agree with you there Sai

How is assassination performing in m+

[onyx wind]

checked my bank

now im sad..

[balmy condor]

Slightly worse than outlaw

[gusty mirage]

wtb buff to poisoned katar

[strange python]

Only slightly 🤔

[limber lion]

Who wants to do all maw dailies and weeklies for me for the next 2 weeks?

[slender berry]

Wtb rework of poison bomb to make it an active ability

[gusty mirage]

I got you

It's the least I could do

[onyx wind]

its only one week

if u need socket

[gusty mirage]

your advice got me a 97 parse on shriek :3

[limber lion]

Next week a 99 :'')

[atomic hemlock]

I still went necro bois over venthyr. Sbs is just too fun to use.

[stoic needle]

can you really get 7200 stygia in 1 week?

[limber lion]

Don't know, seems like a bit of a stretch

[onyx wind]

ye 1k a day and then 2k from weeklies

ok then 8 days

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

My RL after raid last night goes "You're just an assa rogue aren't you"

[stoic needle]

LOL

[limber lion]

Is that assuming killing the best rares there is or just random stuff to fill the eye?

[onyx wind]

do 3x dailies and kill whatever rares

get the soulwell thing

[gusty mirage]

and the hunt in beastwarrens

[limber lion]

Aight not too bad

[onyx wind]

and hunt yea

[gusty mirage]

if you need rep, if you don't just stick to rares

[limber lion]

Already done hunt/wrath but yeah

Nah I'm maxed in rep, just need Styg

[gusty mirage]

yeah just stick to the rares, skip the ingot quest

[limber lion]

I was a dumby when I socketed all of my gear when I hit exalted

Because I thought I would never have to come back

[gusty mirage]

because they disappear after 1 person loots them now

[limber lion]

Too bad I socketed some really dumb stuff

Yeh, Blizzard is pretty out of the loop

Maw is already a place no one wants to go to

Then they do this shit lmao

[gusty mirage]

one of our locks got wrecked by 9.0.5 he bought a socket prior to 9.0.5 and couldn't socket his huntsman neck

KEK

[onyx wind]

i think this is my 9th socket

[gusty mirage]

so he's in blizzard ticket hell rn trying to get it figured out

[stoic needle]

i socketed my pvp gear and then stopped pvping

[onyx wind]

ingot quest is fixed btw

[gusty mirage]

oh it wasn't intended?

[onyx wind]

well it was

[gusty mirage]

I spent 15 minutes getting 3/12 and I was yeah fuck this I'm leaving

[onyx wind]

but their intentions are bad

[stoic needle]

idk i enjoyed the maw when it was harder

when you were undergeared

but now it's just tedious

[limber lion]

I even used the rest of my stygia on conduits like a monkebrain after getting all 6 sockets

[onyx wind]

i dont mind it that much

its not like u have to do it if u dont want to

[gusty mirage]

monkebrain? or BIG brain?

[silent tinsel]

The rank and file of the maw just don't do any damage

[onyx wind]

especially now that they added conduit drops from raid

[stoic needle]

sockets are like +20-30 dps tho...

[onyx wind]

yea they are but

[gusty mirage]

that FAT 226 maim mangle

[onyx wind]

i think most people dontc are abt sockets that much

[stoic needle]

true

[limber lion]

226 vs 200 lashing is like 12 dps

cba

[ebon bramble]

well rogue dead

went down in heroic rankings

[viral aurora]

Still No weapons in vault! Much Love to this game

[ebon bramble]

🤣

[stoic needle]

but for us degenerates

[limber lion]

Just grind a 220 weapon. Good enough

[stoic needle]

hope you're ready to farm 50 mists 🙂

[gusty mirage]

yarr I use a 220 off hand dagger

[silent tinsel]

I could farm some conq and get another 226 dagger and complete my set

[limber lion]

I had a choice of a 226 Azure-Venom Choker neck or a 226 weapon for my off hand.

[viral aurora]

What does "Good enough" even mean in a competitive mmorpg

[limber lion]

I chose the neck even though it's not an upgrade currently

[gusty mirage]

I'm pushing for 2.1k this weekend so I might be a real boy soon

[forest swallow]

You guys running MA legendary for keys?

[limber lion]

Or Zoldyck.

MFD+MA is pretty sick for keys tbh

I enjoy it quite a bit.

[viral aurora]

Only People with 233 weapons say stuff like "Good enough"
Hihi, bitter Fez at your service

[forest swallow]

Yea with crimson I bet it is fun

[onyx wind]

doing some banger dps with zoldyck

[gusty mirage]

I have a 226 MH, 220 is good enough tbh

[onyx wind]

7.2k in +16 halls

[gusty mirage]

it sucks but its not the end of the world

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is definitely higher overall

[forest swallow]

@onyx wind thats nasty

[onyx wind]

was even a slow run

or like no big pulls atleast

[forest swallow]

Wonder if tyrannical weeks doom blade would be good?

[ionic kelp]

halls is a p good dungeon for sin just cause of those souls or whatever

[viral aurora]

Exeo, how many garrote ruptures do you Keep Up before going envenom

[spice spire]

Theater is the only place I’d consider it better. Rest is PURELY up to comp/pull size

[plucky pasture]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gusty mirage]

7.2k dps overall is nuts

I've barely seen fire mages touch that lol

[stoic needle]

doomblade is stonks on plaguefall

[onyx wind]

i beat my hunter friend

[gusty mirage]

@onyx wind SHARE YOUR SECRETS DAMNIT

[onyx wind]

first time ever

not really much to it

[slender berry]

Poor post "fix" hunters

[gusty mirage]

nope

[stoic needle]

doomblade can work in sd and halls and mists as well if you dedicate yourself to blowing up prio targets but you definitely take an aoe hit

[gusty mirage]

its their turn at the bottom of the barrel

we kept it warm for them

[onyx wind]

im using battery in garrote window

and vanishing for zoldyck

rest is just

usual stuff

garrote garrote garrote rupture mfd CT

[grim hawk]

what is battery? soa trinket?

[onyx wind]

yea

[weak horizon]

is anyone else getting fucky server lag on NA?

can't do shit right now

[gusty mirage]

blizz has a note about it on the bnet launcher

[onyx wind]

and then flag before rupture if u have it up

[gusty mirage]

apparently they're having some "authentication issues"

[radiant fossil]

Guys, what conduit do you play in m+ ? flag and katar ?

[wary ice]

~5 bleeds is energy positive

[onyx wind]

depends on number of targets

if i dont need energy i usually just fok spam into ruptures

and keep full uptime on envenom buff

[stoic needle]

i play thotar with wasteland on fort and nadjia double potency or exacting on tyrannical

[onyx wind]

so like 5-6 bleeds and ur gucci with flag up

also feels fine desyncing flag/vendetta

so u vendetta big mobs or prides

and flag off cd

[sick cairn]

quick question

what do i cast if i have NF free stealh cast?

does it affect garrote?

if i have subterfuge?

[stoic needle]

no

it should but it doesn't

because blizzard hates fun

[eternal wave]

Wasn't Door of Shadows a 90s cd or am I actually an idiot?

[hard pivot]

I miss the free vanish from sepsis

Even if it was kinda awkward sometimes

[stoic needle]

theres a theotar soulbind that makes it 90s with 2 charges

[eternal wave]

Thaaaaaat's how it went

Ty!!

[sick cairn]

bruh blizzard should fix sepsis

[stoic needle]

ironically you should play your cooldowns as sin the same way outlaw does

if it's up, use it

vendetta doesnt matter in aoe

[sick cairn]

9.0.5 is when they fixed the sepsis for broadside

like dafuq took em long enough

[gusty mirage]

that would require them to actually have someone on staff that plays a rogue

to notice these things

[hard pivot]

Trueeee

[stoic needle]

[sick cairn]

trueee

[strange python]

what stats should i take on doomblade legendary?

[gusty mirage]

crit haste or haste/vers, sim it in top gear to make sure whats best for you (:

[stoic needle]

crit/haste or vers/haste

[hard pivot]

It’s okay I’m a vampy boi(girl) now so I’m happy

[strange python]

and craft it on hands yes?

[subtle tundra]

Welcome to the vampire gang

[short basin]

Guys what would be an optimal opening for Assass single target with bonespike?

[gusty mirage]

hands or shoulders, if you have access to mythic SLG shoulders hands is a no brainer. if you don't it doesn't really matter in the end, go with the better ilvl upgrade

[hard pivot]

Only took 10 days to hit renown 40 after swapping

[strange python]

ok ty

[gusty mirage]

np

[short basin]

(with doomblade)

[ebon bramble]

why you swap to venthyr? its so bad D:

[stoic needle]

[stoic needle]

quiet, stinky

[ebon bramble]

necro > venthyr

cleave aoe single > single

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

imagine wanting to voluntarily be at the bottom of dps meters on st

[stoic needle]

imagine picking the aoe covenant to still get beat by every real aoe class

[ebon bramble]

imagine being shit in cleave

[stoic needle]

but we aren't shit in cleave

[ebon bramble]

venthyr is

[wary ice]

Does venthyr lose multidotting or something

[brittle pawn]

it must

[glacial quarry]

is IQD any good for ass? i would have thought not, but i assume it can be useful by comboing with flag?

[ebon bramble]

if you can get it to proc stats all the time maybe?

[glacial quarry]

i have one anyway and it's my only decent trinket

[wary ice]

get a wa to track when it gives stats

[limber lion]

It's good if you can proc it.

[wary ice]

3 min cd trinket is a feels bad on assa tbh

[ebon bramble]

track it...

[glacial quarry]

yeah, i have the WA, i'm good at proccing it, since i do it with my boomie a lot

[limber lion]

It's risky after the first cast

[wary ice]

but fatty stats are fatty stats

[ebon bramble]

doesnt matter if you track it

[limber lion]

But should be fine if you're not getting destroyed by the boss

[glacial quarry]

but is it best to time with flag or hold for vendetta?

[ebon bramble]

raids = iqd unreliable

m+ = iqd wonderful

[wary ice]

It naturally lines up with every other flag

[glacial quarry]

yeah i'm mostly gonna use it for m+

[wispy leaf]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[glacial quarry]

i want dreadfire for raids

[ebon bramble]

then be wonderful

[stoic needle]

fun fact: hateful chain is roughly equivalent to dreadfire of the same bracket at ~22% haste

because the proc is hasted

[glacial quarry]

phial + hateful/dreadfire best for raids then?

[ebon bramble]

i thought ass was going to go up in ranking this week

was disappointed

[sullen pagoda]

disappointed in what

[glacial quarry]

i'm enjoying it in m+ with zoldyck's, bottom until execute phase, then i shoot upwards

[sullen pagoda]

it increased in ranks by a lot

[wary ice]

Its not like assa got crazy buffs

[ebon bramble]

i expected it to go up further. disappointment

[sullen pagoda]

???

[balmy condor]

Because I’m not able to farm heroic nathria solo for transmog

[brittle pawn]

because too many ppl followed infexious guide

[sullen pagoda]

its literally near the top on every ST boss

[balmy condor]

[sullen pagoda]

[glacial quarry]

i hope it doesn't go too high or i'll be accused of being a fotm reroller

[sullen pagoda]

nah fam until we beat 2nd best class by 1k minimum aint buffed enough

[ionic kelp]

sin going to go higher when more people are geared towards sin

[solar flicker]

its literally #1 boss dmg 95%+ lol

[ionic kelp]

no way it is

i doubt we beat spriest

[sullen pagoda]

yeah spriest is a bit nuts atm

[jade coral]

what's ppls cd rotation for sludgefist?

use vendetta on pull or wait until 1st pillar?

[ionic kelp]

mythic or heroic

m: all cds opener / 2 / 4, shiv in between pillars and on every pillar

[glacial quarry]

i assume it's on pull if you're gonna use up the 4th pillar, on 1st pillar if you're not going to hit it?

[jade coral]

ahh is that right

[ionic kelp]

hc: no idea i meme this fight on sales but i assume u do it on 1st pillar dpeneding on your guild/group

[jade coral]

we always hit 4th pillar

and what leggo ? doomblade? or zoldyks worth it for some reason?

[ebon bramble]

the question remains, is assassination a better pick than unholy dk? 🤔

[glacial quarry]

then yeah, but assuming it's hc, the more you farm it and gear, the less you'll end up doing on the 4th pillar

[ebon bramble]

rip utility

[glacial quarry]

so be sure to adjust to nuking 1st pillar when that happens

[ebon bramble]

and a melee spot with no utility

[wary ice]

If you hit 4th piller its pull/2/4 if you dont its hold/1/3 - this is true for basically every 2 min cd in the game

[ionic kelp]

in wf? maybe, maybe not, depending on the fight and how hard the execute is

[lament dove]

the 3rd SBS dmg supposed to be sudden fractures?

[ebon bramble]

wooo another necrolord

necro > venthyr!

[sick cairn]

is it better to do master assasin on single target dps?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Yes, the talent

[sick cairn]

like in raids?

or is the 80% damage from garrote that worth it

[ebon bramble]

nah, less single target

good for m+ tho

[sick cairn]

got it

[lament dove]

I just went back to necro from NF... all I see is combopoints everywhere...

[sick cairn]

so the opener is different for MA?

[ebon bramble]

lol right? best shit ever

[ruby ingot]

Hi guys

[sick cairn]

u guys are M+ spammers?

[ruby ingot]

So I did heroic don with guild last night, we didn’t kill, but got Farley close. Should I keep running zoldycks for our next raid night on that fight or go doomblade since I just picked it up

[mighty ether]

hi guys i have a question what are the best ring enchants and gems for single target at the moment i got vers ones

[ruby ingot]

My boss dmg was quite high.. like 400k higher than next person, I know this prob should t happen but they aren’t the best players

[sick cairn]

sim

also its teh zoldyck's

[ionic kelp]

keep with zoldycks if u are dying in p3

[sick cairn]

u basically have constant executes

[ruby ingot]

Ok

I will do a few sims and see

Maybe try to kill normal Donny to test as well?

[ionic kelp]

simming doesnt mean anything for that boss

cause you arent standing still and ignoring mechanics, nor does it take into acc the actual hard part for progression which is just p3

[ruby ingot]

Ya

That’s why I only use sims carefully

I just see wat could potentially higher but mostly have to see for myself

[charred mango]

so in the ST opener, after the initial mut-snd-mut do you all have a global or so empty waiting for energy for the garotte?

[ionic kelp]

you running ds?

[ruby ingot]

Don’t you vendetta after that to regain energy then apply bleeds

Then mut til max then flag vanish envenom

[ionic kelp]

that happens with ds mainly and some low haste levels? you can do mut - > rupture -> mut -> garrote to get more energy

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nEVUuecNtvZ3UHzkJ1V2h5

no phial this week

[marsh yew]

you want to wait to vendetta until after your rupture and garrote are applied im pretty sure

[limber lion]

just farm it my boy

[ruby ingot]

Oh

[final star]

Yeah gonna have to

got 17 PF

[shadow helm]

do people still try to kite mythic council last phase

[final star]

yes

the big waiter that spawns

[ruby ingot]

Hi phial overhypes unless it’s 226 anyway

[shadow helm]

what do you mean overhyped

[ruby ingot]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

it sims better than SLG trinket

233 vs 220

[shadow helm]

its nature dam

[ionic kelp]

i know some guilds that have it on farm, just blast the stoneguard but on prog you are probably kiting him

dunno how it is now postnerfs tho

[ruby ingot]

Slg trinket isn’t even near the top sims tho I thought

I only have 220 version

Does our shiv actually affect phial?

And flayedwing?

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4hf5yWzFWnUWHGMiaKnJKW

[balmy condor]

Why does that matter

[final star]

It's a sizeable upgrade

[balmy condor]

No, trinkets aren’t affected by anything

[ruby ingot]

Ya thought so

[ionic kelp]

not having on use trinket in slot 1

[final star]

slot 2 best slot

[ionic kelp]

[ruby ingot]

Also why doesn’t mutilated flesh crit? To op?

[balmy condor]

Because that’s just how it works

[final star]

because it's based on whether mut crits

not itself

[ruby ingot]

Ya I guess but I think it should still crit damn blizz

[marsh yew]

I mean I'd be fine if it crit as long as they don't nerf anything else to compensate 🙂

[ruby ingot]

Ya

[royal perch]

Is it intended that shiv doesn't increase phial

[final star]

Yes

[shadow helm]

sad

why do fire mages get benefit from dreadfire then

[balmy condor]

Because their shit isn’t whitelisted

[final star]

Ours are

[shadow helm]

nice favoritism

[balmy condor]

Everything else in the game in fact

That conduit on fire mage is the only thing that actually buffs trinkets as far as I know

Everything else has been whitelisted

We had MA until 9.0.5

[brittle pawn]

it buffs trinkets the same way planned execution does

[sleek sparrow]

Phial overrated still better at 220 than most trinks at 226

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah, planned

Forgot that one

Planned being true crit is also weird to me

But blizzard consistency omegalul

[sleek sparrow]

My soul hurts tho, finally had a phial and pox drop in a single PF last night

[marsh yew]

what is planned execution? it doesn't sound familiar to me

[brittle pawn]

true crit?

[sleek sparrow]

It was a sale tho so we had to give it away

[tropic echo]

vigor is generally better than MFD right?

[compact pumice]

No, not on aoe

[sleek sparrow]

Imagine, a fuckin DK wanting pox for ilvl

[balmy condor]

Yeh like it actually just gives you crit, similar to how 9.0.2 ma worked

[marsh yew]

lul reminds me of when I was queueing dungeons with a mage and I gave em an agi dagger I got for il xd

[balmy condor]

The same way you did with vigor

[sleek sparrow]

It was a pox with leech

It was tragic

[brittle pawn]

guy paid 200k+ for a carry that he probably bought tokens for, don't expect reason

[sleek sparrow]

I just had to remind myself I was on my alt tank and it was just for the money

[gusty mirage]

I fully support selling your soul for more gold

[balmy condor]

And I would buy that soul, because I’m selling gold for souls

[turbid fiber]

Hey everyone. Would it be worth crafting the execute legendary for assassination primarily for Sire Denathrius fight? I am running doomblade right now, so don’t know if the damage would be significantly higher

[sleek sparrow]

My DH only has a 213 OH tho so it was pretty sadge

[brittle pawn]

imagine not being full 226 with a 220/207 weapon set

[balmy condor]

For progression, yes

[limber lion]

If you're progressing it on mythic, then yes.

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

The secret is

Openers don’t matter

For shit

[sleek sparrow]

My DH is only 214

[balmy condor]

If you change a little here or there

It’s fine

[vague scroll]

true

[limber lion]

what do i do with this swifty oneshot macro then??

[balmy condor]

Pvp is a little different xD

[turbid fiber]

Okay, because me and my guild are only running heroic atm. In that case I think I will just continue with outlaw I think

[balmy condor]

But people in pve worrying about PvE openers are straight clowning

[limber lion]

Ah I remember the good ol' days when Swifty was giving away razer gear every day

Brings me back man

[sharp pawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/91Kwth4kcqGNVdrz#fight=12&type=damage-done
im doing what wrong :S ?

[wind nacelle]

Not what I wanted, but I’ll take it

[dark crag]

first boss as assa and 18% envenom crits in a 3:30 fight with ma

what a good start

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

You can have mine for free, I’m a lawyer so it’s already tainted though

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/download

[balmy condor]

Ouch

[balmy condor]

Or, windows shift S

[quick vale]

snipping tool 😂

[dark crag]

and still a 95%

[brittle pawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/91Kwth4kcqGNVdrz#fight=12&type=resources&source=48&spell=104
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/91Kwth4kcqGNVdrz#fight=12&type=resources&source=48&spell=103

[unique dew]

greenshot

[dark crag]

with NF

[brittle pawn]

overcapping a lot of energy/cp

[sharp pawn]

i think that was the orbs

[gusty mirage]

You know how mine blown I was when I learned about the snipping tool? I’ve been old school copy and pasting into paint and cropping stuff there for like 2 decades now

[sharp pawn]

i mean going for orb mechanic

but dont remember

[wind nacelle]

?

[unique dew]

you out here taking screenshots with your nokia

[brittle pawn]

playing with a shit group that takes 6 min to kill a 3 min boss doesn't help logs either

[wind nacelle]

Yeah didn’t think of booting up discord 😂🤣

[brittle pawn]

oh its mythic

[sharp pawn]

yea

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t actually look like a lot of overcap

[wind nacelle]

Literally opened vault, took photo and off pc and omw to vote lol

[brittle pawn]

cp more than energy

[balmy condor]

You mean less

[brittle pawn]

hm

guess i just saw seal fate high ratio

but that could be from fok i guess

[sharp pawn]

yea im using fok when 3 adds are there

[balmy condor]

I mean it also can be crits from mut on 4

[sharp pawn]

so 4+? its not wrong ?

[brittle pawn]

right

im gonna go take a nap

ignore me @sharp pawn

[ionic kelp]

innerva is a fight where your garrote / rupt should never fall off at any point

[sharp pawn]

hahah why

[steep hamlet]

Ive got 18% haste and im venth but I feel like with DS talented Im still a bit too low on energy most of the time for comfort

[brittle pawn]

pretty much everything i said was wrong :^)

[steep hamlet]

is this just how it is or am i trash

[sharp pawn]

i think every fight i should´t let them fall off xd

[cunning surge]

Yeah I was about to say, 93% Rupture is a bit low since you want to at least aim for 95+%

[balmy condor]

That’s just how it be

[sharp pawn]

i will try better

[ionic kelp]

you sit boss, and even fi you go out for lines your rupt/garrot should still be good

[steep hamlet]

hard life

[balmy condor]

Sin is a slow spec

[sharp pawn]

but im probably getting distracted by mechanics

[balmy condor]

Such is life

[ionic kelp]

ya, but its a prog boss so thats definitely nto a bad thing

[steep hamlet]

i was hoping with higher haste and venth i wouldnt have to wait for energy as long outside of vendetta and thrill seeker

[cunning surge]

I mean yeah, things will happen

[balmy condor]

Yeh the speed you get from haste is very overstated

You need like 65% haste average to get to sub

And like 140% to reach similar to outlaw

10% haste doesn’t do shit tbh

[sharp pawn]

i have 16% take it or leave it ^^

[ionic kelp]

you also missed a vendetta cast right at the end cause you vendettad like 2.5minutes after opener

[cunning surge]

One thing I will say @sharp pawn, is I see you only had 19 Envenoms in your 12 Shiv casts, you should probably try to aim to get at least 2 Envenoms in each Shiv at minimum beacause the damage boost is huge, even without WPS

[gusty mirage]

So what you’re saying is get 140% haste

[brittle pawn]

thats what i heard

[sharp pawn]

ah okok

[balmy condor]

I had 180% in raid for a second yesterday

[gusty mirage]

I had like 135% and I felt very uncomfortable

[ionic kelp]

you can also hold flag for vendetta too and get an extra cast in after your 2nd and before your 3rd vendetta

[gusty mirage]

My brain just stopped working, I legit just stopped pressing buttons

[ionic kelp]

so you'll still get 4 flags in the fight

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

Only hold flag for vendetta if it’ll be your last cast of the boss fight

[balmy condor]

Holding flag kinda cringy

[gusty mirage]

But even then it’s not an insane amount to bother with

[ionic kelp]

dont see whats wrong with holding it for ven if you never lose a timer

but i noticed this log missed a whole flag cast anyways

[cunning surge]

It's still like, the ONLY time you would ever hold Flag for Ven

[compact pumice]

what if you fuck flag timing up and need to re-garrote, re-rupture, wait a few secs for shiv and then Vendetta seems real close just when you got 5cp, shiv up and around 80 energy? Just say fuck it and go for it anyway?

[brittle pawn]

wot?

[compact pumice]

I mean you're not prepared to maximize flag value basically

[gusty mirage]

That’s an oddly specific situation

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

I mean sure hold it then I guess

Or just full send it like I do

And swear at yourself for having to refresh a bleed during a vendetta window

[subtle tundra]

whats the problem with that

[ionic kelp]

ill full send flag on prog fights when i dont know kill timers

[compact pumice]

I'm still new to assa though so sometimes I miss that there's a ramp up to spamming Envenoms

[onyx wind]

isnt progress where ur supposed to learn timers for bosses tho?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah don’t try to big brain lining up flag, just send it

[ionic kelp]

changed it to kill timers, what i meant

[gentle gyro]

a bit off topic but i'm sure someone knows this here:
if i want to make a WA icon (that just displays a cooldown) glow once the ability comes off cd - is that something really basic I'm just overlooking or do i need to do some shenanigans for that

[balmy condor]

Conditions, trigger on cooldown false glow visible

[gentle gyro]

sort of what i was looking for

[indigo mulch]

Why do we use Mutilate in the opener?

[gentle gyro]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[indigo mulch]

Fair

[wheat parrot]

Haste crit on hands doomblade?

[limber lion]

Yep

[wheat parrot]

ty my love

[strange python]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[gentle gyro]

ok actually what i was looking for although a bit more tedious than imagined. ty 👍

[balmy condor]

Np

[strange python]

is Vigor ok for raiding because I find myself severely energy starved if i use Deeper Strat

[hollow escarp]

sim yourself

[strange python]

dude i dont need to sim myself, I see when im on the training dummy 😄

[subtle tundra]

thats not how it works

🙂

[limber lion]

[hollow escarp]

yeah but

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

more energy != more dmg

[balmy condor]

That’s genius

Holy shit

[strange python]

how does it work, thats why I asked 😄

[hollow escarp]

those 20k envenoms don't come from Vigor

[balmy condor]

Why would I ever sim myself

If dummy exist

[limber lion]

Just smash a dummy 10,000 times

And write down the results

[hollow escarp]

sin is not a high apm spec

[subtle tundra]

i play hidden blades cause i can use fok on ST then

[balmy condor]

Respect

[gusty mirage]

you'll probably be energy starved either way tbh

[balmy condor]

Reject PB, trash talent

[gusty mirage]

wow I responded to a message

from like

an hour ago

[balmy condor]

Nice

[hollow escarp]

in fact with Vigor you might get energy capped with lust and alacrity

a random blindside proc

[gusty mirage]

vigor + flag + lust + alacrity = wtf am I doing with all this energy

[hollow escarp]

bang

[wide bolt]

yea i played with vigor last week and it felt like i was playing outlaw in raid

[gusty mirage]

god forbid you press vendetta during that too

[limber lion]

Forgot the PI there

[gusty mirage]

then just slam your face on the keyboard

I thought I was a special snowflake getting PI

😦

[hollow escarp]

trill seeker proc

that's after lust is gone anyway

on Shriekwing intermission

[ebon bramble]

press your buttons harder to use more energy

[gusty mirage]

true

[ebon bramble]

burn those calories

[gusty mirage]

if I really press down mutilate

does it take 60 energy instead?

[safe totem]

I got 226 son

2DAY big

[wide ridge]

i hate spiteful

[onyx wind]

vers maintstat tho

[wide ridge]

thanks for your attention

[onyx wind]

spiteful is made to fuck assa rogues

no restealth gg

[strange python]

to fuck all rogues

[onyx wind]

i think

[feral plume]

just vanish 5head

[onyx wind]

subterfuge on assa is doomed

compared to sub/OL

[strange python]

!opener

where could I find the openers

[gusty mirage]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gusty mirage]

^

[quick vale]

jealous.

[gusty mirage]

😛

[strange python]

i hate spiteful

so much

irrational hatred

[gusty mirage]

no, its not irrational in the least bit

the affix is almost as shitty as storming

[royal lantern]

what

storming is annoying

[ripe gulch]

outlaw or sin for mythic council?

[royal lantern]

but not that bad

[strange python]

storming is annoying ye

[royal lantern]

spitefull is pure shit

[gusty mirage]

just kidney shot the one on you 4head

[royal lantern]

like,absolute pure shit, idk what they thought with that

[gusty mirage]

My fav part of that affix, is that if people just pretended it was bursting everything would die at the same time and it'd be a non affix

[strong saffron]

yo guys, have many stack of flagelation can u do in opener?

[strange python]

just CC them he he he he

[gusty mirage]

but they seem to kill mobs on spiteful like they do on bolster, one at a time

[viral vigil]

Haste/Vers or Crit/Haste for Doomblade?

[gusty mirage]

either or, top gear it to make sure whats better for you

[quick vale]

my group last night in a 13. I tried to stop them from single target bursting every pack 😦

[sudden brook]

who tf tagged me

[gusty mirage]

it was ramfam lol

he clicked the wrong channel

[sudden brook]

fucker

[balmy condor]

depends on crit or lust

I've gotten 28 before

but 20 is pretty comfortable I would say

[strong saffron]

thanks man ,im around 20

[arctic cloud]

Storming and spiteful whoever designed them should be fired

[frank sparrow]

hey guys, versa is good for assa?

[quick vale]

change spawn points to ranged. I like that idea better 🙂

[arctic cloud]

I just feel like this expansion so far ranged can go semi afk and still pull phat dps

[balmy condor]

yeah it's fine

[arctic cloud]

Yet I’m getting RSI in my wrists just dodging stuff

[mossy crown]

flag befor vendetta?

[frank sparrow]

its better then mastery?

[balmy condor]

yes

everything is better than mastery

mastery is trash

[frank sparrow]

thanks, i'm with 20% crit 29% haste 23% mastery and 8% versa

trying change mastery to versa

[stoic needle]

You'd want to change it to crit tbh

20% crit is kinda lowish

[frank sparrow]

how much crit is good?

[arctic cloud]

100?

[frank sparrow]

xD

[balmy condor]

100 sounds good, yeah

[onyx wind]

as much as u can get

[subtle tundra]

my outlaw set has 29% too bad its spiteful

i wanna play assa 😭

[stoic needle]

Just play it

You're the only thing stopping you

[onyx wind]

and ur tank chainpulling in combat

:)

[cold rampart]

!trinkets

[grim tree]

What is the cap haste for raid 15% 20%??

[cold rampart]

bis trinkets?

[livid temple]

Phial is 1 for sure

[hard pivot]

Phial definitely

[proud ore]

Anyone else been using bloodfang pvp

[balmy condor]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[balmy condor]

126%

[fervent storm]

vigor or mfd for m+ aoe?

[balmy condor]

both are fine

mfd usually a little better

[royal lantern]

what, i thought 134%?

[balmy condor]

close

[gusty mirage]

133.4%

[jade coral]

srsly?

🤔

[gusty mirage]

you get energy regen from having bleeds up

so

[royal lantern]

MfD can reset

and gives you SnD on pull

[jade coral]

true that'd be nice

hmmmm never thought to use it

[halcyon zealot]

tfw a 213 crit haste ring i don’t have enough valor to upgrade atm sims like 60 dps higher than my 226 hyper light band

[balmy condor]

bad stats are bad

:)

[royal lantern]

rings dont have mainstat

[timid coral]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[royal lantern]

=ilvl is really low value

[halcyon zealot]

lol no way really

[lost hamlet]

Hi all, new to rogue this expansion and never had occasion to try assassination. Been playing outlaw for a couple of months and enjoying it but interested in making a change. Two questions. Are there any particular gear cutoffs or stat breakpoints that might make assassination better for me to swap to (or just sim it?), and how is assassination in M+

Appreciate any info

[balmy condor]

no breakpoints

its worse than outlaw

but it's fine

[odd bloom]

i feel like past 20%ish haste it starts to diminish in value, for raiding and if u are venthyr

[frosty bridge]

Sudden fractures sims higher than WPS

shall i trust the sim gods?

on ST*

[proud ore]

Worse than outlaw at m+

[vast hound]

if u have 15% haste do u run DS or Vigor?

for raiding

[proud ore]

Better in pvp ans everything else

[halcyon zealot]

are you venthyr @vast hound ?

[vast hound]

yeah

[halcyon zealot]

either way it’s prolly a sim question

[proud ore]

It’s still being explored

[halcyon zealot]

prob DS then but i’d sim

[urban gale]

is outlaw stronger in st?

[ruby ingot]

Does CT interact with doomblade for envenom dmg

[vast hound]

and Zoldyck or Doomblade?

for huntsman mythic?

[proud ore]

I got doom

[noble ridge]

thanks for sharing all the sims and infor @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

gotchu homie

[strange python]

im doing it with doom rn

[proud ore]

Yea? Dm me your armory is making so many gear swaps how much haste are he getting without breaking vers

[strange python]

[spice spire]

It’s time to sim then

Outlaw translates fairly well into sin as both haste and vers are pretty good for us.

[candid mountain]

Do assassination Rouges use stealth most of the time? Or is that Subtlety?

[proud ore]

U just swap mastery and haste with sub bro

Sin is trickiest to gear

[candid mountain]

?

[brittle pawn]

wtf?

mastery and haste are worst stats for sub

[spice spire]

^???

[balmy condor]

we have talents to increase our damage from stealth and thus, vanish, but sub has shadow dance, so it kinda depends on what you're asking

[proud ore]

Do you not just take aub mastery swap for outlaw haste boom done

[candid mountain]

Ok thanks.

🙂

[proud ore]

Mastery and vers is al h run in pvp sorry I don’t raid

0 haste

I know sin is flipped upside down for pvr

[strange python]

any exangers

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

[proud ore]

Pikaboo

[balmy condor]

exsang in 2021

[proud ore]

Nahj

[safe barn]

in the last sim exang was like a 11% dps loss

[spice spire]

I think if exsang died tomorrow, whispyr would be a happy man

[safe barn]

something like that

[strange python]

LOL

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2kZwdJm7x2nTTN9TzfGS57

[balmy condor]

I didn't mind exsang in 8.3

but it's so shit

[final star]

Might as well run PF

[spice spire]

It was different

[final star]

God damn it

wrong soulbind

[balmy condor]

I got tired of giga haste though

[safe barn]

huh

[spice spire]

Fun for a few months but uh CT single target is not the way

[proud ore]

What legrnd?

[safe barn]

just simmed me, venthyr is kinda dps loss to me

ill stay at nf

[royal lantern]

why is the opener with deeper so cancer

geez

[proud ore]

Why ring

[royal lantern]

mut snd mut wait wait waaaaaait......garrote

[spice spire]

It was just exsang windows and the rest you could go full monke and still destroy

[final star]

It's not, it just assumes you have lust on pull

[fathom lynx]

I tested this now on target dummies and Deadly Poison snapshots from Crimson Tempest if you're using Nightstalker.

I don't think this matters too much but at least it is a little bit interesting. You will probably still spam FoK on 4+ targets, but since it snapshots Nightstalker maybe Mutilate is a little bit better up until like 5-6 targets. I def don't know the math for this though lol

[final star]

It's more for the instant damage then

🤷

It'll be more damage to fok > dots

[proud ore]

Wait you’re saying it eats it’s stacks?

[final star]

it's impossible not to replace your poisons

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qJ4hEpnoPUVm275oHMXmtj

[proud ore]

Idk what u mean by snapshot

[final star]

okay, I still go PF

[proud ore]

Ok what ratio do I go for my crit is too high

[final star]

Would need someone smarter than us to run the numbers for sim

[proud ore]

Iu have a lot of gear

[final star]

But I am fairly certain it's not worth playing around past the initial application

you lose too much

[fathom lynx]

Yeah but I hate FoK, so now I can at least thing mean thoughts while pressing it [depressedly]

think*

[frosty bridge]

Yo

To parse good on Huntsman

[final star]

Well with MA

Which I use

[frosty bridge]

do i need to doomblade the dog all the time too?

[final star]

it'll be a huge dps loss

[frank sparrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k93bDGvbZU8vZjhyaz8HGy

500dps for 3ilvl

[balmy condor]

no

[frank sparrow]

xD

[frosty bridge]

thank god

[wide ridge]

getting rejected for plaguefalls because spiteful and I'm not ranged nor have lust

[shy dust]

Doomblade the shade dog adds

It’s not filtered by WCL

[stoic needle]

thats gonna get fixed eventually

[balmy condor]

I thought they fixed that

[shy dust]

👀

[stoic needle]

if you want to get a good huntsman parse run EP CT

[wide ridge]

CT

[shy dust]

You can run whatever talents

And get a good parse on that boss

[stoic needle]

i ran CT and got a 96% up from a 90

ct is definitely the play

[shy dust]

Ct feels like shit to play on that boss

[wide ridge]

DP or vigor

DS*

[shy dust]

Sim it bro

[stoic needle]

up to you, my 96% was with DS

[wide ridge]

wtf

impossible

[stoic needle]

i play M+ as sin so ct doesn't feel like shit to me i'm used to keeping it up in 2t

[fathom lynx]

If anyone is curious (I'm trying to make Nightstalker great again) then I can inform you that Serrated Bone Spike also snapshots with Nightstalker if you're in melee range - but not from range for some reason.

[proud ore]

What does this mean snap shot

I’m just about to finally swap

It’s breaking talents ?

[fathom lynx]

If you're using Nightstalker then dots will deal 50 increased damage until next application; that's snapshotting. It used to be a crazy mechanic back in MoP iirc

(I saw you oshi)

[nimble spoke]

oh fair, I mis-remembered the terms. Deleting to prevent confusion

[wide ridge]

i thought the dot was infinite?

[stoic needle]

you didn't see anything

[wide ridge]

like duration wise

would that mean you'd lose dps by using a new sbs without nstalker?

🥴

[fathom lynx]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure the dot does not snapshot

[nimble spoke]

Rath, it's using your current buffs/procs to reapply debuffs with greater effect than what they previously had

[proud ore]

Still confused

I see

[fathom lynx]

Maybe I need to test it more but it went from ~140 to ~200 per tick with NS

[balmy condor]

do you have logs

[nimble spoke]

the example that helped me is with feral druid. Tiger's Fury increases the druid's damage for the duration, so they would reapply bleeds if they had Tiger's Fury up so their dots were stronger

[fathom lynx]

I can give you some target dummy logs if you want - though I don't know how to share those

[proud ore]

No I get it

[balmy condor]

you would send the link

like any other log

[frosty bridge]

gotcha

[proud ore]

So…. Go necro yesterday

On it

[drowsy parcel]

the necro hotfix was actually so good

for sire

[proud ore]

Well I wanted to see if they’d tweak it and they prob will lol

I just did both fae and Khrushchev lol

[nimble spoke]

I went Necro since I like to play outlaw in M+. Part of me still wants to go Venthyr, but I like the Fleshcraft shield and SBS doesn't feel bad to play with, imo. I like having the low cost CP generator, especially in aoe for sniping adds

[proud ore]

Kyrian

Vents mirror is kinda weird to pull off as rogue

[nimble spoke]

I was Kyrian, then Venthyr, then swapped to Necro just prior to 9.0.5

[proud ore]

Mid pvp

[nimble spoke]

got 40 renown yesterday and I doubt I will swap again XD

I'll just learn to play with Necro in all aspects and across all three specs

[proud ore]

I actually fell in love with a weld and hate maldraxxus

[nimble spoke]

I didn't like Maldraxxus until I did the campaign. I feel like Necro fits assassination, too, theme-wise

[proud ore]

I have a friend who swears by kutian still and doing better than me

When I heard about bubble breaking slime cc I was sold tho

[arctic cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6QefgXLLZDGX18ZGSgWeNA

[nimble spoke]

I use Fleshcraft during downtime on Mythic Shriek and during transition to sire phase 3 Heroic

[arctic cloud]

made it over 6.7k poggers

[proud ore]

I just pvp

Bye ardenweld 😦

[limber lion]

On a Dungeon Slice. Not sure if you intended that

[frosty bridge]

ok i used vendetta on the fkin dogs

i think it paid off

lel

[proud ore]

How come no one runs numbing poison in pvp?

Talent

[marsh yew]

because crippling poison is too good with master poisoner

it going up to a 60% slow when most slows in the game are 50% is really big

and even if its a 50% slow it will still let you keep up on a target like a mage for instance

granted it should only ever be a 50% slow if your playing subtlety

[fathom lynx]

@balmy condor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vv1R3K6zGpkyqjch/

[timber drift]

!bis

[quiet hawk]

Returning to wow after a month or 2, is assasination the top performing spec for raids atm?

[frosty bridge]

Holy shit that Passasin guy on logs

[balmy condor]

Depending on fight, yes

[frosty bridge]

8 PIs

[balmy condor]

Chinese log heroes

[fathom lynx]

I tried doing 5 of each - the first ones are with NS snapshotting and the 5 last are without stealth

[quiet hawk]

ah ok, depending on whether to swap from outlaw or not. @balmy condor

Looks like venth is top too

[shy dust]

Dude might unironically be shit

I almost beat him on shriek without a singular PI

[quiet hawk]

ofc i switch from venth to night fae 2 months ago and its bis now

[balmy condor]

Interesting

I’ll look into it some more

[fathom lynx]

But if you're not right under the target it doesn't work. I was about to eat my words when I tried it in melee from a different elevation and it didn't snapshot, but when I tried it on ground level it works. Also doesn't work from range

[frosty bridge]

wouldnt suprise me

[cold canopy]

Is it usual in the opener to use slice dice the moment after you use ambush in stealth

[stoic needle]

i mean why would a good player buy PI

[nimble spoke]

you don't ambush from stealth

[balmy condor]

Yes

You should mut->snd

[cold canopy]

oh okay so no ambush

[nimble spoke]

only with blindside proc

[upper condor]

why does my Sim tell me vers has more worth than mastery or haste? if i take what raidbots tells me i have 19% haste. + it tells me DS sims higher than VG

[cold canopy]

okay good.

then it that case if no blindside proc just mutilate into your slice in dice

[civic trellis]

Does shiv increase phial trinket aswell?

[nimble spoke]

your envenoms should keep your snd up for the remainder of the fight unless it falls off due to keeping up with mechanics

[rose jewel]

hi everyone, those of you who switched to venth, when did you get the Lashing Scars conduit? (renown 19 chapter 3 here, and haven't gotten it yet)

[shy dust]

From callings

Do callings and you’ll get it to drop

[nimble spoke]

when I was Venthyr just before going necro, got it out of the calling box

[stoic needle]

i had it already

[sharp pawn]

do i wait until i pop vendetta opener to pop pot or opener

[shy dust]

Can also kill denathrius for a chance at it

[balmy condor]

Trinkets do not increase with anything

[rose jewel]

ty!

[civic trellis]

Damn only versality then

I dont wanna run IQD but sims higher 😦

[balmy condor]

Vend before rupturing with venthyr, and after without venthyr

[shy dust]

Why

Iqd pumps

[sharp pawn]

ah ok so open mutilate snd muti garrote vend rup?

[civic trellis]

Sometimes gives mana

[balmy condor]

Yep

[upper condor]

so it´s right that even with assa vers is a better stat than mastery? even when mastery scales your bleed/poison?

[sharp pawn]

ok ty

[stoic needle]

vers also scales your bleeds and poisons

[fleet whale]

in general yeah verse is better than mastery

but eventually, you may want more mastery at some point if you have a bunch of the other stats

cause thats' how stats work lol

[upper condor]

meh but ok so i can take my outlaw gear and play assa....wow

[shy dust]

So

[fleet whale]

and yeah IQD is still really strong even if it gives mana sometimes

[shy dust]

It still pumps

[fleet whale]

it always works on pull with your cds

[shy dust]

Getting those stars is LARGE

it is amazing for sludge

[fleet whale]

which usually has a high impact on your dps

and even the execute thingy is does isn't bad at all

World Vein was more of simbait compared to IQD

[warm parcel]

[balmy condor]

Uh oh

Weak woke up

[fleet anchor]

I'm gonna ask Fuu to have the bot ban the word simbait

[warm parcel]

[pearl canyon]

does zoldyck affect envenom

[balmy condor]

Neigh

🐴

[pearl canyon]

😦

[vestal wren]

i wouldn't mind that

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

either way most streambait is worse than simbait tbh 🤣

[warm parcel]

Streambait lmao

[balmy condor]

I must admit, streambait is pretty infectious

One person says something and it just spreads

[vestal wren]

you just described how pvp works

[willow isle]

Is poison bomb bigbig lose in m+ over a CT?

[stoic needle]

i have literally

[balmy condor]

CT is way too strong in m+ to not take

[soft shale]

i smelled someone dissing my boy worldvein

[stoic needle]

told at least 4 people this week that haste is not, in fact, our worst stat in M+

me and infexious got beef now

[olive tendon]

Fast quest![Counil of Blood]
Is it worth to put bleeds on the target which we aren't attacking currently (so it will be healed anyway) only for bonus energy regeneration?

[balmy condor]

Only with garrote

[olive tendon]

OK, thanks!

[soft shale]

remember to fok to get poisons on them too

[tropic drum]

if i switched to nightfae on monday, can i easily switch to venth now?