assassination

[proven ferry]

I have 26% haste

[onyx wind]

isnt giving ur entire group 3% vers better than anything else u can get

for m+

[stoic needle]

Haste is still bis stat in m+

[limber lion]

Azure Choker or something like that

[onyx wind]

who cares if it sims lower

[limber lion]

It's high crit vers

[icy crater]

Yeah, I got one like 213 I'm upgrading to 220, should be nice.

[stoic needle]

Fuck the boomkins and fire mages

[limber lion]

Yeh

[thorn turtle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9n4LoahAJxvnJnLaNZvKRU

[final star]

like bruh, don't think that's the right play in that sitch

[onyx wind]

maybe one of the mobs were like 1hp inthe sims

idk how it works

[stoic needle]

That's probably why yea

[final star]

perhaps, wish could see that

[stoic trail]

Has anyone tried doomblade in mythic +? How was it dps wise? Also if with doomblade for myth + do u talent poison bomb instead of tempest, and spend cp on envenom?

[onyx wind]

its not that good

[bold jetty]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nCiEwbAra1tqceDBXA6L4N

[onyx wind]

and no u dont talent poison bomb, still CT

[bold jetty]

it shows the same

[limber lion]

always ct

[bold jetty]

in topgear xD

HOW same pants 6ilvl higher can be 40dps downgrade?

[onyx wind]

XD

what is going on

[final star]

CT is so ludicrously far ahead of PB in aoe

[stoic trail]

I see i see got ittt

[final star]

It's actually a 1Head move to go PB for m+

[limber lion]

I think those exact pants are fucked

Because it's happening to just those pants

afaik

But those pants are giga, would recommend.

[stoic needle]

Pb could work in theater of pain because it's basically a single target dungeon

Besides the ghost pull and the abomination wing

[final star]

na CT would still do more dps

[limber lion]

Wouldn't recommend it tbh, PB is dogshit

It's like 2% of your overall damage

[final star]

CT is like 12%

even with smaller pulls

[limber lion]

It's a lazy man's choice if you can't be bothered wit hCT

And that's fine

[stoic trail]

Also for CT its basically the finsiher for all aoe right? 😅 you only use envenom on the rare focus kill situation

[limber lion]

But honestly CT wins in every situation

[final star]

No you envenom when you can

[limber lion]

No

[final star]

CT only refresh at 2s remaining

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bLW3tD3GPcVPLa47QexjH7

[limber lion]

You only keep the bleed up, you don't spam it.

[stoic trail]

Ahhhhhhh i see i see

[icy crater]

ct wins in 2 target sustain right?

[final star]

[limber lion]

Yes

At least for most, sure it can differ

[icy crater]

I'm gonna try it for huntsman on next reclear... whenever that is

[limber lion]

Yeh it's pog

[thorn turtle]

Wait night stalker?

[onyx wind]

tried it on hunstman

forgot i picked it

[final star]

NS roughly equivalent to Subterfuge for me

[icy crater]

[final star]

I'mma carry on playing NS

[onyx wind]

so didnt use it optimally

XD

[icy crater]

Sounds like something I would do

[thorn turtle]

🚬

[final star]

NS way more fun anyway

garrote tab garrote tab stink

FAT CRIMSON TEMPEST REPORTING FOR DUTY

[limber lion]

I've done this so many times with Torghast. I pick Leeching Poisons but I never reapply poisons so I never get it

So I basically just run around without that talent row.

[glacial quarry]

finally get my first legendary today

going with execute, me thinks

[onyx wind]

Its good

[glacial quarry]

ye, rough choice between the two, but it seems like the best all rounder, since i do a lot of m+

going to get both at 210 before i go up to 235 on either though

got heavy vers ring from the vault though

[final star]

just do zoldyck to 235 first

[onyx wind]

doomblade for parsing, zoldyck for killing

as they say down at the pub

[final star]

mans from ends

[lament pawn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[icy crater]

i was

fucking MALDING

during inerva yesterday

I got beams during every single bloodlust except 1 pull, and the first add phase when 2 mins are back up

[final star]

haha owned

[onyx wind]

beams aka ranged mechanic

[final star]

feel like pure shit

just want richard back

[crystal blaze]

first reclean as assa tonigth, should i spec into CT for huntsman, inerva, sun king, council, slg and dena ?

[cedar hare]

Shadowcore oil or sharpened?

[pearl agate]

hey guys, Doomblade is best crafted in the glove slot, right?

[onyx wind]

only really huntsman and inerva

[icy crater]

we were 3 healing and they said healers get close beam, I'm melee and they want me to run to far beam and drag it through other people with beam

I was tilted

[final star]

pepega officers

[desert rain]

Top logs for Inerva and altimor plays PB tho

[cedar hare]

Shadowcore oil or sharpened for assa?

Looks like sharpened sims better for me

[final star]

that's huntsman

inerva

some CT up there

Also skews it a bit you think

[icy crater]

You have to realize, most people don't pick the best thing

[final star]

[slender berry]

Don't think ct for inerva is worth, the add dmg doesn't matter

[onyx wind]

depends a lot on whether u immune the adds aswell

on inerva

of CT is good

PB is prob the safer choice

[plain thistle]

hey, look me up there

[cedar hare]

Do you guys use Shadowcore Oil or sharpened?

[plain thistle]

[spice spire]

The azralon God

[crystal blaze]

gratz for taking places in the middle of all those boosted noobs

[final star]

El Pumpo himself

[plain thistle]

kekw

I think I got rank 3 on hungering too, but should drop today with EU logs

[final star]

yeah rank 3

wonder which one you are

[spice spire]

0 PI gamer

[slender berry]

I would get r1 with no pi but private logs 😫

[plain thistle]

I get PI sometimes, because priest missclick the DK

[warped heath]

Trying to figure out why am I parsing so low: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bJPXqgRymA34F8cp

[limber lion]

Holy fuck I got the most insane set of powers for Torghast

[warped heath]

I feel I am not getting enough from Shiv, but I didn't think it made that much difference

[onyx wind]

use CD's on pull, 2nd and 4th pillar

[limber lion]

300% haste with 3x Unceasing Chain Link and Vein Rippers feels good :^)

[icy crater]

oof

[final star]

I don't get why they giving the rogue faerie though

It's not a target for it at all

since it desyncs vanish

and the dude is just holding for vanish anyway

[limber lion]

It's pretty bad for assa for sure

[onyx wind]

also idk what ur opener is XD

[plain thistle]

its probably good if we get a extra vendetta on the fight

[onyx wind]

seems like ur just pressing random keys

on pull

no offense

[final star]

yeah but the guy is holding anyway @plain thistle

[dawn ivy]

i wonder what cdr fairy+cdr legendary looks like

[final star]

kinda weird he gets 60s of cdr

and doesn't make use of it

[plain thistle]

yeah, strange

[warped heath]

None taken, I am here for advice: my opener is supposed to be mut, snd, mut, mut rupture, garrote

[limber lion]

Why?

[limber lion]

Is there a reason you're doing your opener like that?

[final star]

[onyx wind]

i wouldnt do that

what talents are u playing with

[warped heath]

Master Assassin

[onyx wind]

are u lustin on pull

[warped heath]

no, on that sludge it was P1

[spice spire]

You took subt on shriekwing. Unsure about that chief. Another thing I’m noticing is that after initial round of stealth rotation, you’re going shiv > Flag > trinket > vendetta > Mut > evisc

[final star]

you're using subterfuge

on every fight

[spice spire]

Mut should be before all of that.

And then shiv > flag > pop CDs > envenom

[final star]

with MA

[onyx wind]

if no lust on pull do mut->rupt->mut->vendetta->garrote->flag->SnD->shiv->pool for 80+ energy->vanish->mut->env->mut->env etc

[warped heath]

did I mess up my talents.... lol

[flat crater]

so i just swapped to assa and just cleared today as it. Can someone take a look at my logs at tell me what to improve

[onyx wind]

if you lust on pull do the same but swap SnD and rupture

and vendetta right before flag

[stoic needle]

You should always put up snd first even without lust

[flat crater]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/outland/eliné#partition=2 lets not talk about council k

[stoic needle]

AA dmg > rupture ticks

[onyx wind]

probably yea

[final star]

melee does more damage than rupture over a fight

[onyx wind]

yea its mostly cause the energy

but SnD is prob better

[warped heath]

This is where I swapped talents: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mam2fTrHvW78JgNq#fight=5&type=damage-done

[onyx wind]

more garrote uptime: refresh before consume etc

[final star]

nice vanish > garrote muscle memory

using shiv too early

[limber lion]

• Keep Garrote/Rupture up at all times
• Use Shiv on cooldown, preferably before right before an envenom and with 80+ energy and when Vanish is off cd, right before using Vanish
• Use Flag on cd, preferably right before a finisher
• Sync Vend/Vanish
• Don't cap energy
• Don't waste combo points

[spice spire]

Yeah. Also one big thing to notice in your logs is that it’s okay to do a finisher at four. I’m seeing a ton of wasted combo points on hungering.

[limber lion]

That's the whole spec.

[spice spire]

When you’re wasting about 10% your damage is taking a huge hit

[limber lion]

There's plenty of minmaxing you can do, but if you follow those things you'll do fine.

[onyx wind]

@warped heath also you only mutilate twice if the 2nd mutilate gives 2 cp

your opener is a lot of your overall damage most of the time

especially with lust

so very important to practice it

[stoic needle]

Ehh

It's not really

The difference between a perfect opener and a shit one is like 10 dps

[onyx wind]

???

not at all

[stoic needle]

Yes

The first 10 seconds of a 5 minute fight

[spice spire]

In short fights yeah, but this looks like prog. So expecting longer - ends up meaning less.

[stoic needle]

Not that important

[onyx wind]

oh u mean over the duration of 5 minutes

[warped heath]

I will work on this, this is great.

[spice spire]

Yes. Over the entirety of the fight, the opener means far less than it did in BfA. In the moment, sure.

[stoic needle]

Yeah like 10/300 seconds just isn't enough time to make it a huge difference

[onyx wind]

i dont get what 10/300 means but

i get your point

[stoic needle]

10 seconds out of 300

[spice spire]

Ten seconds out of 300 seconds (5 minutes)

[final star]

man

ooze is lowkey pgud for assassination

cos of shiv

and envenom

[stoic needle]

As long as you get everything up asap it's fine if you screw it up a little bit

[onyx wind]

opener is a bit more than 10 seconds, but i agree

[stoic needle]

Ooze doesn't work with either of those

[final star]

why tf my ooze always pumping

more than it does as outlaw

[spice spire]

Ooze just pumps

[stoic needle]

Ooze just pumps

It procs from dots

[spice spire]

Delete this rn

[final star]

[stoic needle]

I'm pretty sure it's the dots proccing it that makes it pump harder as sin

[onyx wind]

In the first 40 seconds of a fight at length 4:20 minutes

35% of my damage was done

[stoic needle]

Every tick can summon the boys

[onyx wind]

and that was with zoldyck

[final star]

boys roll ou

t

[frosty cedar]

So I would just envenom with 3cp in this scenario?

[onyx wind]

nah

[frail forge]

No

[onyx wind]

we are talking opener

[frail forge]

Finish at 4 or 5

[frosty cedar]

O I see

[onyx wind]

if ur 2nd mut after SnD gives 2cp, i use another mut

so i dont have to refresh rupture during vendetta

[stoic needle]

What I'm specifically saying is that if you do rupture first instead of garotte, or flag after vendetta instead of before, it's not a huge deal. As long as you get everything up as soon as you can you're fine

[frail forge]

If you get 3 combo points on your first mut then mut again

[onyx wind]

nah 3 is fine

since u garrote it puts u at 4

[frail forge]

Except for opener

[onyx wind]

no

[stoic needle]

But if you wait 20 seconds to get up snd and rupture you're definitely fucking up lol

[onyx wind]

also first mut doesnt matter

u never use 2x there

just mut SnD always

[frail forge]

Correct

[warped heath]

Yeah, that's what I got from that. I understood I need to fix my rotation before I focus on openers

[onyx wind]

ur confusing me by saying "first" sorry

[frail forge]

But in overall rotation if you get 3 combo points (and garrote didn't need to be refreshed) then you mut again

[final star]

CttC makes that low cp SnD last forever essentially

that's why it doesn't matter

[frosty cedar]

CttC is so gooood bro

[final star]

yup

made the spec playable tbh

[stoic needle]

Yeah but alacrity stacks

[frail forge]

Yeah sorry meant 1st mut after a finisher lol

[stoic needle]

It's not completely irrelevant

[final star]

you may get unlucky and lose 1 alacrity stack

[onyx wind]

you dont cast another mut to gain more alacrity stacks on first global XD

[final star]

But yeah

[frosty cedar]

Does anyone know if CttC refreshes the heal from snd endurance conduit

[dawn ivy]

it does

[frosty cedar]

Noice

[onyx wind]

snd heal is built into the buff itself

so yes

[stoic needle]

Recuperator is just a flat heal every 2 seconds while snd is active, the duration doesn't matter

[final star]

ya

[arctic cloud]

Yo: Elaborate Planning - If i already have dots on the target, they are increased by 10% too right?

[final star]

yes

[frosty cedar]

Alright cause the conduit description just said 36 seconds so it was a bit unclear

[frail forge]

Yup

[hollow escarp]

this is the play this week

[onyx wind]

no snapshotting apart from nightstalker sadly

[hollow escarp]

pull big , pop evasion when they die

and pray

[stoic needle]

This is ultimate brain

[frosty cedar]

Ah fuck it's spiteful isn't it

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

we are gonna press it anyway

might as well get cdr

always find solutions not to play outlaw

[final star]

incorrect

the play is to swap to outlaw for range this week

[stoic needle]

[hollow escarp]

might do a rogue stack boost for mists

[stoic needle]

I feel like I'd do less because my ol mh is still 207

[hollow escarp]

pretty curios to see overalls

[final star]

I've ran triple rogue before

in a top

pride died in like

15s

[hollow escarp]

yeah, the buyer is also rogue

[final star]

[hollow escarp]

I bet he wants the dagger

[stoic needle]

Imagine not looting 226 from vault

[hollow escarp]

I looted 223 this morning

[final star]

before venthyr was buffed

when I had swapped

[grizzled trail]

any1 got a mutilate/ambush macro i can yoink

want them tied to one button

[stoic needle]

No you don't

I mean you can do
/Cast [mod:shift] ambush; mutilate

[final star]

just make another bind lazy ass mf

[frail forge]

No ambushy outside of Blindside

[hollow escarp]

they should just make ambush hit with both daggers

[onyx wind]

sitting comfortably at around 7k overall in dungeons

we vibing on fortified

[hollow escarp]

even with spite alive?

[wanton comet]

Is bloodmallet still a good website to use ?

[onyx wind]

just evasion the spite 😎

[hollow escarp]

just to make a general idea

always use raidbots

😉

[onyx wind]

yea bloodmallet is pretty good

[hollow escarp]

but use herodamage because reasons

[onyx wind]

it used to be really bad early expac but its fine

pretty sure herodamage just looks better

and its the same sims

shown

[hollow escarp]

I think herodamage is also managed by rogue TCs, can't confirm though

[final star]

herodamage more reliant to me

[onyx wind]

but if u use herodamage u dont get stat distribution and craft haste/vers legendaries 😎

[grizzled trail]

oo my bad didnt realise how ambush worked in assa

[ebon tundra]

What sim do I run for venthyr m+ Dungeon slice? I can't decide between Wasteland or double potency

[thorn turtle]

So I just realized that on st u use ambush from stealth, but that doesn’t for for m+ right?

[limber lion]

Both?

[final star]

both

[onyx wind]

well u just realise that the tea party gives ur allies 3% vers for 15 seconds every 1.5 minute

[final star]

in top gear

[onyx wind]

and pick the conduit

[thorn turtle]

Not ambush mutilate*

[wanton comet]

Yeah i use raidbots. I am returning player but back in BFA i had used this website. I am crafting a leggo tonight for M+ content Zoldyck but was double checking that website it said bloodfang? But i trust the pins more 😄

[onyx wind]

and then u add their uptime + % dmg increase in those windows to ur overall after ofc

and i guarantee u it will beat any other conduit

[civic trellis]

Hi.

Its better to use shiv before vanish, right?

with MA talent

[thorn turtle]

Use it off cd as ppl here say

Just smash it every time it comes back

[civic trellis]

i mean at pull

[thorn turtle]

🚬

[onyx wind]

yes

shiv vanish mut env mut

[civic trellis]

yeah thanks

[ebon tundra]

Wait, both? Am I missing something, or brain fart

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[stoic needle]

Use top gear to sim them both so you can see which is better

[final star]

can choose

as well as conduits

it will then sim combinations based on that

[ebon tundra]

Oh yeah I get that but dungeon slice or 5 target sustained is what I mean aha

[final star]

dslice

[stoic needle]

You should do both

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/sHX5T0j.png
imagine not having this

[ebon tundra]

ty

[thorn turtle]

Wow another one blocked

[stoic needle]

5 target sustained shows you which option will give you more pure aoe damage, dslice will tell you which will be better overall in a dungeons

[gentle gyro]

[stoic needle]

I hope your mattress becomes Legos

[final star]

comfy

[dull cloak]

tbf 220 phial vs 226 phial difference is pretty small

[stoic needle]

It's 36 dps

[thorn turtle]

I have mine but it’s 200 still

[final star]

it's not small

[stoic needle]

Take the iqd you coward

[gentle gyro]

lol no

[thorn turtle]

Would u guys prefer 220 phial and 226 nw trinket, or 220 phial and dread?

[stoic needle]

Flayedwing toxin?

[gentle gyro]

phial and dread

[stoic needle]

That thing is dogshit

[thorn turtle]

Ye, tooltip said it does 160 dmg over 3 sec

And did less than 1% in overall dmg

[onyx wind]

tea party doesnt sim the damage it gives to ur group

[thorn turtle]

I think even 200 phial will be be better

[onyx wind]

but doesnt matter if ur going for overall dmg :)

[thorn turtle]

And I can’t sim it, cuz toxin will win sim just from raw agi

[gentle gyro]

you can always do gear compare

[warped heath]

I have Zoldryk's, I assume I should be crafting Doom now?

[gentle gyro]

and give yourself trinkets of equal / realistic ilvl

for ST, yes @warped heath

[warped heath]

What's MT? Just as a curiousity?

[knotty sparrow]

Multi target

[thorn turtle]

Single target

And multi

[warped heath]

Sorry, I meant what's the Legendary for Multi

[gentle gyro]

i think he meant legy

[thorn turtle]

Zold

[gentle gyro]

MT is zoldycks

[knotty sparrow]

Zoldycks or MA

[true thistle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[thorn turtle]

Simming it rn, bet what’s the diff in dps between 226 toxin and 200 phial?

[final star]

20

[gentle gyro]

sth between 100 and 200 i'd guess?

[final star]

[thorn turtle]

Waiting for results

[gentle gyro]

phial was a 200 dps upgrade for me over a 220 slg trinket

[steel bane]

you guys going for 220 phial or just waiting for the vault miracle ?

[thorn turtle]

Nah vault is straight up roulette

I’m going for 220

[true thistle]

@steel bane today got 226 phial

[stoic needle]

Imagine not having a 220 Phial already

Even at 220 it's better than basically every other trinket

[ebon tundra]

Well I wasn't expecting that!

[steel bane]

i mean, the thing doesn't drop =o(

[thorn turtle]

If I’m gonna get 226 in vault next week gonna shave me head

[stoic needle]

I get the same results

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle so my head is bald in next reset

It all started with stache

What do these pixels turn me into

[stoic needle]

Exacting prep is solid, even if you don't use feasts

But you have to keep 100% food uptime so it's not the best if you die

[gleaming eagle]

mythic runs though you want to run crimson tempest

[ebon tundra]

I always pop a feast no matter what I am doing so I guess its not to bad aha

[gleaming eagle]

and i find that running crimson tempest means you do less envenoms

so zoldyck might be superior there

[azure fox]

Is there a secret to spreading bleeds that I'm not aware of? Seems like clicking and building 5 CP to rupture/garrote each enemy feels so so so clunky

[true thistle]

How do you use blindside procs guys? do you have mutulate/ambush macro? Going into assa today

[gentle gyro]

you don't 5 cp rupture stuff in aoe

[thorn turtle]

Nah just another keybind

[stoic needle]

You do 2-3cp ruptures to start and then refresh

[gentle gyro]

if you pull a 5 mob pack, you do

3 garrotes

[final star]

Press ambush when it won't overcap you@true thistle

[gentle gyro]

spend 3 cp on rupture

vanish for 3 more garrotes

spend rupture again

fok / CT / RUP

[thorn turtle]

Wait what

[gentle gyro]

and just keep bleeds alive

[final star]

MfD for CT

[gentle gyro]

i don't play with mfd

so uh

[stoic needle]

We vigor boys

[final star]

Yikers

[true thistle]

@final star i were thinking more abount this skill management, to have it under one button

[final star]

MfD goated

[stoic needle]

Quiet you mfd NS ct'er

[final star]

Then shift modifier macro if u wanna be a lazy bones

[onyx wind]

MfD is kinda too good

to not run man

MfD CT is huge

[final star]

MfD NS CT goated

[stoic needle]

Being energy starved is not that good

[thorn turtle]

Like what

[frosty aspen]

Jumping on the assassination bandwagon for mythic Slug. Just reading the guides, am I right that we ignore the ambush proc through Sepsis (tiny minor gain but gain nonetheless)? Also, with master assassin we never ambush out of stealth only mut opener or envenom in fight (just getting out of outlaw brain mode)?

[final star]

Sludge

[onyx wind]

ohh NS might be ok

[final star]

You dropped a d fam

[slender urchin]

I have similar trinkets and it’s like +30 dps for me

[onyx wind]

prob not better since u lose so much energy

[thorn turtle]

What the actual

[frosty aspen]

He’s a slug for me 😎

[stoic needle]

Should be in slot 1,you should be using top gear not gear compare

[final star]

NS is equivalent to Subterfuge in aoe

With MA

[onyx wind]

oh MA

[thorn turtle]

I can’t sim top gear since I’m at work

[onyx wind]

also stop simming dungeon slice

take tea party

always

[final star]

Tea party sims highest for me anyway

[sick cairn]

assasination NF pvp do we go niya herbs?/

[stoic needle]

Exacting prep sims higher than tea party for me

[keen tree]

wait someone told me to use dungeon slice earlier /sigh

[onyx wind]

who cares if it sims higher

ur giving ur team +3% dmg in their CD windows

[stoic needle]

And double potency with poisoned katar sims higher than tea party too

Who gives a fuck

About mages

And boomkins

[onyx wind]

zzz

overall padders gg

[final star]

[stoic needle]

Burrs probably

[final star]

Wouldn't be me

[keen tree]

for the purposes of choosing the best gear for m+ how should i set up the sim?

[sick cairn]

burrs? got it

[stoic needle]

Dslice is fine but you don't do it to check gear upgrades by default

[bold jetty]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mmMjPeNPtzzvmdmzNKh7Lt

LOL

[stoic needle]

For m+ gear dslice is fine

What...

What is that sim lmao

[bold jetty]

thats me again with this pants

XD wth is this XD

[slender berry]

I've figure it out maybe @bold jetty

The extra ilvl makes your cube choose verse

[thin inlet]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

Oooh the cube

[final star]

Fucking IQD

[bold jetty]

OMG

200IQ

[slender berry]

Mystery solved

[bold jetty]

M8

ty ❤️

[final star]

Fuck IQD

All my homies hate IQD

Unless they boomkin or lock

[stoic needle]

Iqd is sick

Just don't stack vers

[strange python]

Is it okay that I crafted doomblade on shoulders? Im not doing mythic

[drifting light]

Get a wa and rock that cube, its solid

[final star]

I got 735 haste

500ish crit 500ish vers

[slender berry]

Iqd haters are insecure

[final star]

I use IQD on boomer

It's big pumper for me

I just have 226 ooze/shriekwing trinket

Bigger pumper

[onyx wind]

IQD is good on short fights

like 2 min fights

[final star]

Better than 220 IQD

[lament dove]

apart from the 2 unused gemslot, why do I sim like 4-500 lower than everybody else? do I miss something on raidbots?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2tV7W5sZZ7UUB49TpjEPS9

[gentle gyro]

i mean i sim 200 dps lower than you and i have ilvl 218

seems fine to me

[final star]

Trash trinkets

[drifting light]

Imagine not socketing

In 2021

[prisma crescent]

Trinkets, ilvl, not venthyr

[lament dove]

everybody sims a lot better with the same ilevel

[final star]

Yours not venthyr

Ur trinkets

[stoic needle]

you also have a shit ton of vers

[lament dove]

and ventyr is 500 dps?

[gentle gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uBWbF4tYbRMzVjNxq84rYn

[balmy condor]

Those trinkets are real bad

[stoic needle]

it's a combination of 1. not being venthyr 2. having high vers 3. having bad trinkets

[gentle gyro]

are 4 ilvl that big or why am i not above him then

maybe that 197 dagger plays a role

[lament dove]

you will be at 221, don't worry...:)

[prisma crescent]

@gentle gyro try simming Deeper Strat

[gentle gyro]

k, i guess

[normal mist]

Question: is stat weight from dungeon slice worth looking at?

[stoic needle]

Sure

It's going to be haste crit just like single target though

[bright hemlock]

Does nightstalker work with garrotte? They removed that you benefit even if you hit in the last 0.5 sec of for example symbols of death

[stoic needle]

Well it depends on your gear

[civic trellis]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

But those are usually the highest

[stoic needle]

It does

[normal mist]

Gonna link what it says... I wasn't expecting the crit value to be so high

[strange python]

Imagine

[normal mist]

Might be hard to read

[stoic needle]

crit is big in dslice for combo point generation

[normal mist]

Oh okay because I'm like 16% crit but 20% vers

[bright hemlock]

@stoic needle thanks

[normal mist]

And 25% haste

[bright hemlock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wAnh3fbRjshyHqxcPULNRE any tips here? Just swapped to try it cause maybe soon we will head to sludgefist ^^

[gentle gyro]

k sim is running, just need to wait

[bright hemlock]

and ye ill change gems for haste and swap one ring

[final star]

224 6.1k

[onyx wind]

btw any venthyr swappers

u guys unlocked soul ash mission yet?

[final star]

Yeah

[onyx wind]

have all followers at 20 and no mission for me

[final star]

Mine are 12-15

[onyx wind]

spamming campaign aswell

[lament dove]

@bright hemlock you have sub conduits

[bright hemlock]

@final star i dont have conduits applied for assa 😄

[final star]

I can't complete it

[bright hemlock]

yes yes i will swap them

[final star]

But I have it

Venture plan says I get giga fucked up

[slender berry]

I got a lvl 60 mission before I even unlocked the table somehow

Best I got was a 10 % hp left on enemies with my lvl 50 meatball and croman I carried over

[hard pivot]

Imagine doing maw shit in 2021 lmao

[thorny rose]

hi y’all I’m gonna switch to rogue main and I love assa, do I need to learn outlaw for M+ or is sin fine? I’m gonna be venthyr btw

[final star]

I just don't do it if it it's gonna fail

[stoic needle]

sin is fine

for m+

[thorny rose]

saweeeeeet

[final star]

Outlaw also finer

But need sword mh

Or mace

[stoic needle]

you will have to put in more effort to push high keys but it works perfectly fine

[slender berry]

Just dont do m+

[thorny rose]

that’s the dream tbh

[stoic needle]

imagine not doing one of the only interesting types of content left in this godforsaken hellscape of a game

[warped heath]

So...wowhead says doomblade on shoulders, FAQ says hands. I assume the hands comment applies to Mythic raiders mostly?

[final star]

M+ bettee content than raids

Don't change my mind

[slender berry]

M+ is just a Minigame

[thorny rose]

I subscribe for pvp honestly, but my friends make me do other stuff

[limber lion]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[stoic needle]

my condolences

i cant take wow seriously as a pvp game

[final star]

Unlucky

Swifty one shot macro coming ur way

Kr

Or

40% dampening

Woo

[gentle gyro]

@prisma crescent https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/puMwbcpq8t9d3EZCbLyV3w
DS doesn't really sim higher

[stoic needle]

how is 42 dps not higher lol

[timid coral]

its literally higher?

[glacial quarry]

zoldyck on legs, right?

[final star]

42 dps is substantially higher

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r9ubBYEbZkHS6k7gNFcW8c

[dull cloak]

isnt 42 dps less than 1%

[gentle gyro]

0.5%

[bright hemlock]

hey it's me but better 😄

[timid coral]

its 0.5% on that sim

[stoic needle]

most gear upgrades are less than .5%

[final star]

Margin of error is 0.2%

[stoic needle]

margin of error is .05%

[final star]

Even less

[final star]

0. 5% is huge

10 times hunger

Huger

[dull cloak]

doubt

[gentle gyro]

ok to ask this differently, is that dps approptiate for that ilvl?

[gusty mirage]

I’m 10 times hunger right now, lunch time and no food

[stoic needle]

doubt what

[balmy condor]

[final star]

I'm walking home from wage slave

Ready to open vault

[gusty mirage]

I’d pick you up if you weren’t in EU and we could grab food

[final star]

[icy crater]

could go for a bowl of ramen ngl

[gentle gyro]

then good luck

do a /pray before you open

that's what I did

[final star]

I do a prayge

[gusty mirage]

I’ve found it’s best to just let people who argue that more dps is “marginal” believe it. If they choose to do less dps then oh well

[final star]

[gentle gyro]

i don't say 0.5% is marginal

[pallid spear]

they offered me sire ring but its 3 dps worse than inerva

[gusty mirage]

I’m not talking about you silly

[gentle gyro]

i just thought it'd explain more of the descrepancy

[pallid spear]

rip vault

[stoic needle]

seems a tad low tbh

[gusty mirage]

Just in general

[bright hemlock]

@balmy condor thanks for making it for me, I assume blindside is just better talent, and it makes sense when i was hitting dummy, was low on energy for some time

[gentle gyro]

hence my "it's just 0.5%" because i also expected more

as in i look for a reason as to WHY it is so low

[balmy condor]

Generally yeah

[final star]

Blindside is more execute damage

It's pog

[dawn ivy]

yo can you cloak the shattered pain on mythic sire

[final star]

Yes

No knock back hype

[prisma crescent]

@gentle gyro Noticed you're running double celestial guidance, get Sinful Revelation

Then start working on turning that Vers/Mastery into Haste/Crit

[gentle gyro]

i actually told raidbots to sim with SR

[shut leaf]

should I craft doomblade or zoldyck for raiding boys? I am just about to make a 210

[slender berry]

Either is fine

[gentle gyro]

but yeah wanted to swap that for days now

[weak horizon]

I feel like you'd just want to shadowstep the knockback instead of cloaking it

[bright hemlock]

@balmy condor I tend to struggle with energy, should i swap to vigor as im low on haste?

[stoic needle]

you want sinful on one of your daggers. try to get a better 2nd ring, boots and legs, and a better statted belt if you can

[balmy condor]

No

[stoic needle]

you sure? it doesnt show up in the options

[gentle gyro]

yeah and idk why

[stoic needle]

did you check replace enchants

[timid coral]

Can you change the lust timing on raidbots?

[balmy condor]

Both, depending on if you’re progging or not. Zold is the pick for most prog

[pallid spear]

zoldyck is good for sire and slg - doomblade better on basically every other boss

[gentle gyro]

[stoic needle]

well there you go lol

[gusty mirage]

That’ll do it, I feel like that checkbox was added in SL because I never noticed it before lol

[pallid spear]

yes you can

[gusty mirage]

Took me a while to wonder why it wasn’t suggesting gem/enchant changes lol

[slender berry]

Bloodlust_time=(time in seconds) in advanced options

[timid coral]

tyty

[gentle gyro]

simply swapping that enchant is 150~200 dps

[vast patio]

Safe to say doomblade should be my first sin lego then, going off the pins, eh?

[balmy condor]

Sure

[gusty mirage]

It’s a safe bet sure

[copper sun]

In the assassin opener using doomblade, do i start the opener with mutilate or ambush?

[pallid spear]

Mutilate

[forest nacelle]

rip me, made doomblade shoulders.......

must have been drunk that night.

[vast patio]

Only thing that sucks is my daggers are terrible.

[gusty mirage]

Unless you have access to SLG shoulders before the end of the tier, it’s not really that big of a deal

[copper sun]

Why mutilate not ambush? ambush does more damage

[bright hemlock]

is there a way to cancel Serrated Bone Spike's dot from dummy, without walking away XXX yards?

[gentle gyro]

unless you plan on killing SLG Mythic it makes little diff

[strange python]

mutilate applies poisons

[forest nacelle]

true

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[gusty mirage]

Muts can give you 4 CP, ambush can only give you 3 with crits respectively

[timid coral]

its actually bloodlust_time (small "b") in case anyone else sees this

[copper sun]

But your first spend is on slice and dice and it wont matter if you use 3 or 4 cp for it

[gentle gyro]

man do I really need to learn to play with DS now

[forest nacelle]

wait, we mut instead of garrote from stealth now?

im confused

[pallid spear]

DS is fine, only opener feels a bit slow

[strange python]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

You only garrote if playing subterfuge

[forest nacelle]

ok good 😄

[slender urchin]

We are on M Sludge and I still went shoulders cause they were a bigger upgrade

[gusty mirage]

I went with the ilvl upgrade too

[slender urchin]

Gotta 1. Get to the boss 2. Kill it 3. Get it to drop

[keen tree]

is ANYONE making good, accurate instructional 9.0.5 assassination rogue videos on youtube? The one i watched had a lot of incorrect info.

[pallid spear]

Well bigger upgrades for sludg prog is pretty good still

[slender urchin]

I’d rather have the actual upgrade now

[icy crater]

no

[keen tree]

Sad 😦

[gentle gyro]

watch @balmy condor 's streams

[stoic needle]

Justruss and the red rogue

[forest nacelle]

use brain?

[icy crater]

I prefer text guides/instructions but I'm a boomer so

[forest nacelle]

sorry i didn't use mine :9

[gusty mirage]

You have @balmy condor here you don’t need YouTube videos (:

[balmy condor]

Damn

True

[keen tree]

true - @balmy condor has helped me a LOT

[forest nacelle]

true

[shut leaf]

!opener

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

!guide

[copper sun]

@balmy condor what do you think?

[shut leaf]

ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

I think we mutilate from stealth

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor can you give me a hug?

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor I was going through my season 4 raider io and you know who had a few higher timed keys than me and gatekept me from top 15 on area 52? it was you

[balmy condor]

1 gcd isn’t going to change anything regardless

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

thanks

[stoic needle]

https://youtu.be/YP0qIdS0Jb0

[balmy condor]

[high mantle]

is vendetta on the gcd?

[balmy condor]

No

[royal lantern]

6th vault in a week with stygia, still no 226 weapon

[pallid spear]

nonono

[gentle gyro]

whispyr is sparking big weeb energy

[strange python]

just buy one with all that stygia

[stoic needle]

https://youtu.be/BJ60oclL_5k

[strange python]

e z

[balmy condor]

Just have upgrades

[vast patio]

I'm still rocking 213s after a whole week of plaguefall farming. I feel the pain

[balmy condor]

What gave it away, was it the anime emotes, or the fucking anime pfp

[pallid spear]

50/50

😎

[bright hemlock]

@balmy condor what if i got blindslide proc on opener? Since with Muti SnD Muti, should i use it before SnD?

[gusty mirage]

We don’t weeb shame around these parts

[balmy condor]

You would use the proc

Blindside procs replaces the next mutilate

Always

[final star]

JJk review go @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Don’t watch it

[bright hemlock]

okay, but the first rupture might me 3CP then?

[final star]

[balmy condor]

Yes

[final star]

Read it, you right

Good review

[bright hemlock]

@balmy condor allright so opener goes like this and after i finish opener, i just follow the pandemic timers to refresh stuff, well that feels kinda chill to play

[stoic needle]

Imagine not watching jjk

[balmy condor]

Yep

[balmy condor]

Don’t need to imagine

[gentle gyro]

what is jjk?

[final star]

He's saving it to binge

[bright hemlock]

after playing MFD and SBP on m+ses that is so few stuff to do

[stoic needle]

Repent, dinner

[final star]

Smart guy

[stoic needle]

Jujutsu Kaisen

[balmy condor]

Jujutsu Kaiden

[stoic needle]

A badass anime

[final star]

Badass manga

[gentle gyro]

ah. the last anime i watched was Elfenlied 7 years ago i think

[silent tinsel]

I want a slime jacuzzi, venthyr lame

[stoic needle]

Oh god elfen lied

[gentle gyro]

it was just to demonstrate that I'm not an anime guy

[final star]

Rogue not anime liver

[strange python]

im torn, necrolord or venthyr

[worn path]

I’m waiting to binge it, just gotta find the optimal start time that I finish it when all the ending spoilers start getting dropped

[final star]

Blaspheme

[balmy condor]

Hi torn, I’m dad

[strange python]

lelel

[final star]

I'm currently reading

[worn path]

Whispyr to me dad

[bright hemlock]

Anyone please how do I cancel the permanent DoT from Necro ability from Training Dummy xD

[balmy condor]

Run away

[bright hemlock]

Cmon xD

[balmy condor]

Cmon what

[worn path]

Reroll venthyr

[stoic needle]

Do you want to be stinky and ugly or fashionable and sophisticated?

[slender berry]

I think they "fixed" that range cancels sbs

[stoic needle]

Log out

[bright hemlock]

I have to run down whole sanctum xD

[balmy condor]

Did they really

[slender berry]

Yea

[stoic needle]

Yeah they did

[strange python]

@stoic needle stinky and ugly

[bright hemlock]

@stoic needle that might be smart

[final star]

Put game on ssd and log out

[balmy condor]

Pog

[stoic needle]

[worn path]

We should make a macro: Do you want arm shoulders or to fly around on bats and drink wine?

[flint summit]

!bis

[slender berry]

Denathrius mirrors not canceling sbs is pog

[stoic needle]

Imagine not having a dedicated NVME SSD for your wow install

[balmy condor]

Huge buff

[stoic needle]

I can restart my whole computer in the time it takes most people to /reloadui

[final star]

It's like 30-40s for a restart for me

[stoic needle]

I can cold start to in-game in about 45s

[final star]

Yup

[slender berry]

The first week of 9.0.5 I tested necro first and it's pretty good on denathrius, you also get 5 cp in p3 somehow

[final star]

Imagine not typing /rl for UI reload efficiency

[frigid kestrel]

Ye I’m with y’all at about 42 - 50 seconds

[balmy condor]

But that stands for raid lead

[stoic needle]

I need more ram though

[worn path]

Can’t reload fast when your ui looks like this

[stoic hollow]

Quantum device on Cd or always paired with Vendetta?

[stoic needle]

It's annoying when my fps goes to shit because I have too many wowhead or wowprogress tabs open in the background

[worn path]

Vendor it

[bright hemlock]

@balmy condor What's the logic with Doomblade's DoT? I just try to refresh it as late as possible right?

[final star]

@balmy condor but it also reloads UI 🤣

[normal mist]

My pc takes about 12 minutes to restart

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/myeyes-gif-5294202

[balmy condor]

Probably with vendetta unless it’s a 7+ minute fight

[native lynx]

if youre not refreshing it youre not using mut, so youre not building cps

im not sure how that works

[stoic needle]

The dot stacks like ignite

[balmy condor]

It’s like ignite, rolls all the damage over

Don’t have to worry about it

[frigid kestrel]

Is that recount

And omen threat meter

[frosty cedar]

my sim just tells me to use iqd with every other flag

[final star]

Probably

[frosty cedar]

i just got iqd so im wondering if its good or not

[frigid kestrel]

Wtf, GET THAT SHIT AWAY FROM ME!!!

[final star]

A healer in my guild still uses zperl and we rip the shit out of him for it

[balmy condor]

It’s okay

[final star]

[forest nacelle]

i just take a portal to cancel sbs

xD

[stoic needle]

ZPERL

[ornate jetty]

is mists neck worthy to be upgraded to 220?

[final star]

He hasn't changed since wrath

[prisma crescent]

I feel like every one had a zperl phase

[final star]

Boomer UI

[balmy condor]

Is it one of the higher simming items in your droptimizer?

[slender berry]

If you truly wanna experience hell use nadja with the adversary trait and attack a tank dummy in the venthyr hall

[ornate jetty]

ill check!!

[worn path]

If you want to get away from it you just type /rl and go have a nap. Should be done loading by the time you get back.

Recount is bae, uses less memory
Threat is important in m+

[stoic hollow]

is the quantum device any good , people told me to vendor it , is it shit , cuz bloodmallet sims it at 3rd best for assa?

[final star]

Just get nameplates that show threat

Like a regular person

[balmy condor]

It’s good in m+, okay in raids

[bright hemlock]

@balmy condor If i have DS and 4cp and my garotte is 6 seconds, do i refresh garotte and use 5cp envenom or do i Muti->Envenom->Garotte?
sorry for so many questions, but i want to know as much as possible if i should bring it to the mythic Sludge proggress xD

[balmy condor]

You garrote, since it’s about to be in pandemic

[final star]

That's pandemic range

[balmy condor]

Don’t finish on 4 with deeper

[bright hemlock]

ye but i force myself to use 5cp envenom

[worn path]

It’s okay, it’s just not reliable on any sort of progression. You likely won’t get a second use out of it. It’ll end up healing someone or granting mana. Overall just super annoying to use imo

[bright hemlock]

6 sec is enough it reaplly it isnt it?

[balmy condor]

It is indeed enough

[ornate jetty]

sin stained pendant sims higher by 8dps, but i dont have it yet XD

[frigid kestrel]

IQD on prog, during hero with heavy damage be troll af.

[balmy condor]

Probably whatever

[stoic needle]

I did that but then it just swapped when I attacked something else

[stoic hollow]

the case is that i havent chosen it yet , i can pick between sapgorger 226 with socket on it or the a 226 quantum , so u would advice me to take the belt or?, ( the trinket sims best , but like u say it’s just not reliable )

[frigid kestrel]

Trinket be like,
“o you want big dam right now?”
** Gives Lock Mana**

[bright hemlock]

@balmy condor so you would pandemic and 5 cp, instead of 6cp and not pandemic use

[balmy condor]

Correct

[bright hemlock]

but ideal scenario will be the 6 cp use, cause you dont loose damage

pandemic is not doing anything to the damage done

[balmy condor]

You don’t “lose damage” either way

[bright hemlock]

well 5cp vs 6cp envenom

[balmy condor]

The damage per combo point is the same

[bright hemlock]

good point

[obtuse ruin]

is assa doing really well in m+? seeing them much higher in warcraft logs

[balmy condor]

2->3 cp envenom is the same gain as 5->6

[bright hemlock]

but we have a lot of crit

[balmy condor]

You also don’t risk overcapping

[stoic needle]

Isn't it an energy efficiency consideration?

[balmy condor]

But if a dot is in pandemic

You just refresh it

[balmy condor]

It’s decent

[stoic needle]

It's the rest of the world catching up

[forest nacelle]

so would it be better to use env at 5 or 6? also if i land on 4, do i just mut or w/e is avail?

[balmy condor]

You want 6cp, but if you’re on 5 you don’t generate again

[desert ether]

That ui looks like a hot ass mess...damn

[forest nacelle]

ok ty

land on 5 always confused me

[obtuse ruin]

not better than outlaw tho right damage wise?

[balmy condor]

Nope

[stoic needle]

You can use garotte if it's in pandemic when you land on 5 or shiv but otherwise finish on 5(assuming deeper strat)

[desert ether]

What is the pandemic window for rupture and Garrott by the way ?? I don't know.

[plain thistle]

garrote 5.4s

rupture depend on the number of combo points

[stoic needle]

For garotte it's 5.4 seconds, for rupture it's 30% of the duration of rupture at the amount of cp you currently have

[plain thistle]

for 5 cb is 7.2 ( if i remember correctly)

[balmy condor]

30% of the duration of the new dot being applied, and that’s for slice/garrote/envenom/rupture/feral rip/thrash/flame shock/every other dot in the game

[sick cairn]

wat lvl 40 talent is for raiding?

[gloomy fern]

doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

Level 40

Is that the iron wire row

[sick cairn]

yeah

[sacred wigeon]

obviously

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s a utility row

[stoic needle]

Internal bleeding for stunning adds

[sick cairn]

internal bleeding cant be placed on raid bosses right? just curious

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter at all

[balmy condor]

Cannot

[sick cairn]

okay got it

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t be worth the CP anyway

[sacred wigeon]

no

[stoic needle]

Imagine if prey on the weak worked even if the stun didn't apply

[balmy condor]

Envenom is just more damage per cp than kidney with internal

[stoic needle]

Bam, raid utility

[vast patio]

I have a solution

Delete demon hunter and give us back smoke bomb

[slender berry]

Internal bleeding on huntsman adds if you're stunning anway

[balmy condor]

Would also be forced to kidney on cooldown, that’s giga not sick

[stoic needle]

Doing 10% more damage is sick

[vast patio]

What if all the bonus damage counted as ours

:)

[gray fjord]

[balmy condor]

Make it do 100%, still not sick

[stoic needle]

I don't get why it's not sick

Kidney is cheap with the conduit

More interesting than another envenom

[balmy condor]

You can’t hate slice and then love prey on the weak man

That’s just silly

[stoic needle]

I dont hate slice

[ionic kelp]

this would make rogues perma taken in every wf raid lol

[stoic needle]

That's... A good thing?

[vast patio]

Wait

[ionic kelp]

it would be like a rogue pi

[vast patio]

What if our raid utility was we can attack and kill people the raid leader kicks

[ionic kelp]

and feel fucking terrible to waste energy on

[royal lantern]

you mean, like how every single class in the game is perma taken cus they bring something special

except rogue?

[stoic needle]

How would it be terrible to waste energy on making yourself and everyone else do more damage

Pls explain

Kidney shot coasts 25 energy

-30% with the conduit

How is that a waste

[balmy condor]

It... costs cp

[stoic needle]

But you do more damage...

[ionic kelp]

cp + energy

[vast patio]

My problem with that is they'd probably nerf the shit out of our personal damage to compensate.

[ionic kelp]

not a waste per say

but they definiteyl wouldnt keep that conduit and everything the same

[royal lantern]

you mean how mages dmg is shit for having a 5%int buff :?

[vast patio]

I never said blizzard was smart

[royal lantern]

rogue dmg is allready shit btw

lmao

[ionic kelp]

what

[vast patio]

Isn't sin super good tho

[balmy condor]

Okay if I told you that you have to use detection in your rotation, would you be happy

[royal lantern]

i would not say SUPER good

like

its allright

[stoic needle]

What is detection

[royal lantern]

nothing special

[balmy condor]

[vast patio]

:o

[gloomy fern]

i have it macroed to all my spells alrdy

[dull cloak]

if prey worked on boss i dont see why you wouldnt do 1 cp kidney for 10% more

[balmy condor]

Aight well that’s not gonna work

[vast patio]

Oshosi

Do you have the survivors bag

[stoic needle]

The what?

[ionic kelp]

our dmg is really good on ST fights + execute with these sin buffs

[vast patio]

Get it

It's fun

[balmy condor]

Of course you would, that’s not what we’re talking about

It would feel like fucking dogshit

And it’s terrible design

[strange python]

I wanna switchhh but outlaw too good in mythics