idk about doomblade in dos tbh there are a lot of huge pulls in dos
#assassination
stoic needle
upbeat umbra
It's been my exp. that the bosses on tyranical are the hope enders not the trash lol. (in DoS)
lean coral
what are you guys using when in keys leggo wise?
spice spire
Yeah. It really is the difference in comp
clever cypress
does it mnatter which hand we put weapon enchants on? for sinful / haste one
spice spire
I’d two absolute trash pumpers but not so solid on boss for frost. So I bit the bullet and went DB
I don’t regret it, but it was an overall drop in damage for sure
cold canopy
Is it bad to constantly be depleting your energy? For example not controlling how much energy you use, are you supposed to attack in specific bursts instead?
stoic needle
the reason i recommend zoldyck is because it's good on every single week, every single dungeon and every single affix. but doomblade can be a bit of a loss depending on the week, dungeon and affix
spice spire
^
upbeat umbra
the reason i recommend zoldyck is because it's good on every single week, every ...
You are not wrong.
stoic needle
Is it bad to constantly be depleting your energy? For example not controlling ho...
the only pooling you need to do is around envenom. try to use envenom only when you're at 70% + energy outside of shiv, and spam it when you have just used shiv. otherwise just use stuff as it comes up
lofty shell
why exactly do you pool like that
stoic needle
so that you have a lot of energy when shiv recharges
cold canopy
yeah is envenom that important?
lofty shell
you wanna always get 2 envenoms into shiv? or is 3 possible
stoic needle
basically there are a few different times when you want to pool energy, but pooling around envenom is the easiest way to take care of all of those conditions
spice spire
3 is possible, don’t actively hold for three.
cold canopy
oh okay
stoic needle
also keep in mind that not pooling energy at all is only a 30 dps loss vs pooling perfectly so it's not a big deal regardless
lofty shell
im used to smashing dispatch soo ye
stoic needle
side note: look at this weird ass sim. exacting preparation simming highest in dslice? even over theotar??? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8dx9VoMHiU7teUVpba7BRa
spice spire
That was in miki’s too earlier
limber lion
side note: look at this weird ass sim. exacting preparation simming highest in d...
Yeh we did those sims earlier as well.
spice spire
Wasn’t it?
limber lion
Not Miki's, Kojack's
brittle idol
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
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spice spire
Ahhh
stoic needle
the hell is going on
spice spire
Fucking sepsis boys smh
limber lion
It's not simming the highest for me
Highest for me is 2x potency conduit with Nadja
With Lashing + LP
spice spire
Katar one time 
limber lion
Highest for Whispyr was Lashing + Katar
stoic needle
limber lion
Seems to vary quite a bit
stoic needle
i don't even know what to recommend anymore for aoe soulbinds
spice spire
Recommend someone to sim themself 
onyx wind
Better to just sim for different stuff
stoic needle
exacting preparation reminds me of blessing of kings from classic so i can see why it can be good
onyx wind
So sim 2min fight and 5 target 1 minute
stoic needle
raw stat boosts are always really good
onyx wind
its better to know when and where stuff is better and worse
than just sim dungeon slice
split veldt
extended maintenance tomorrow, how dare they make me wait even longer to be disappointed with my vault
limber lion
exacting preparation reminds me of blessing of kings from classic so i can see w...
But honestly, unless you're a god gamer and/or you eat feast every time you die in M+, ExPr can be pretty pog
stoic needle
i'm actually very hype to see wtf is in my vault after all of this valor farming
frail fossil
just something, do u pop vendetta insta on pull or wait before u have dots up ?
limber lion
I can't be bothered and for me it sims less than double potency without food
stoic needle
just something, do u pop vendetta insta on pull or wait before u have dots up ?
definitely wait
limber lion
Try simming it without a food buff
split veldt
i made the mistake of leveling my phial to 220, now im gonna get in my vault
limber lion
Because on default it assumes that you eat a feast, which you definitely don't do in M+
stoic needle
oh yeah
frail fossil
definitely wait
i'm looking at a sludge log and he just pops it right away so i wasn't really sure
split veldt
but ill still be happy so w/e lol
stoic needle
i just use haste or crit food
spice spire
i'm actually very hype to see wtf is in my vault after all of this valor farming
Stream the phial drop when servers go live 
onyx wind
just something, do u pop vendetta insta on pull or wait before u have dots up ?
generally u wanna pop it when ur energy starved
if u wont be energy starved then pop when u go into envenom spam
drifting light
Kinda seen this being thrown around, on the opener do we flag between garrote and rupture or after vendetta?
frail fossil
generally u wanna pop it when ur energy starved
i mean on pull
onyx wind
yes
stoic needle
i think sludge may be different because people are trying to get it to line up with pillars
onyx wind
on sludge u pop on pull
split veldt
im gonna have five 226 vault pieces and none of them are gonna be a weapon, AGAIN
onyx wind
mythic atleast
split veldt
frail fossil
i know u pop on sludge any 2min cd i just looked at a peen log and he just straight up put his vendetta right after his snd
so i was wondering
proven ferry
Just pvp and get your weapon
spice spire
on sludge u pop on pull
You also “can” on heroic. Just depends on when you down him. If you down him on 3, save for 1 and 3, if not go pull 2, 4.
split veldt
i suck at pvp, my skill ceiling capped out at 1800 lmao
frail fossil
with hero on pull u usually wont do that right
onyx wind
with hero on pull u usually wont do that right
correct
ornate lake
On sludge in a shiv window, we only pop envenoms right? Even if a bleed falls off during this window. Is this also on other bosses? (Ideal situation bleeds never drop during window i know, but what if...)
onyx wind
also casting it early for it to line up a LITTLE BIT better with pillars
limber lion
On sludge in a shiv window, we only pop envenoms right? Even if a bleed falls of...
No, you want to reapply dots if they fall off. But like you said, ideally you refresh them right before he hits the pillar
onyx wind
On sludge in a shiv window, we only pop envenoms right? Even if a bleed falls of...
depends on whether ur also using CD's
limber lion
Else you'll be hitting an envenom then afk for 4 gcd's because you don't have energy to mutilate
then another 3 because you don't have energy for env
onyx wind
You can let them drop off at the end of the stun
spice spire
It means you take a stat and it applies to a window of damage. A good example of this was exsanguinate in 8.3. If you had galecallers boon when you pooped exsanguinate, the bleeds would continue to tick at the rate for that haste, rather than whatever haste you were at at the time.
limber lion
Then the boss is already out of the phase
spice spire
It’s a shitty explanation but yeah
stoic needle
and fuck being high vers 
spice spire
That’s a mood for life
frail fossil
i mean like shiv is also strong cuz it amps ur poison, so even if u cant get 2/3 envenoms in the windowu still press it
split veldt
i was surprised how many sidegrades i could get from valor
frail fossil
cuz envenom isn't the only nature damage u have
onyx wind
poisons dont really deal a lot of damage
in the window
but u def wanna cast envenom early in shiv cast
limber lion
Env should be your first gcd in that window
And shiv used right before he hits the pillar
stoic needle
On sludge in a shiv window, we only pop envenoms right? Even if a bleed falls of...
on sludge specifically you should refresh your bleeds and snd early before the pillar to 100% make sure they dont fall off during it
icy crater
and fuck being high vers <:tinfoil_pepe:699651267517218886>
I have 220 crit/haste simming better than 226 vers/x
frail fossil
oh i know envenom is the prio in shiv, usually u can get 2 to 3 envenoms
stoic needle
I have 220 crit/haste simming better than 226 vers/x
dont you have like 28% vers
grim hawk
why does mastery suck this much for assas? iirc it was good before?
frail fossil
On sludge in a shiv window, we only pop envenoms right? Even if a bleed falls of...
usually rupture hit pandemic window soon before he'll get to the pillar so i dont think u'll be running into that problem alot
spice spire
Or be a giga gamer and just get tiny toxic blade
Can’t wait to see the new shriek cheese papi
spice spire
why does mastery suck this much for assas? iirc it was good before?
Spaghetti coding. And haste used to not affect our bleeds but y’know here we are now
onyx wind
But on sludge u wanna use shiv off CD until first pillar
then u hold for stomp
use again and it lines up with 2nd vendetta
onyx wind
Same here but
i have 3x as much vers as mastery
so realistically the stat is prob a lot worse than vers
lofty shell
isnt it decent in aoe / m+?
frail fossil
haste is kinda mastery but better
onyx wind
its still the worst option for me
limber lion
i mean technically mastery is roughly equal to vers for me
But aren't you stacking mastery, how in the world would mastery be equal to vers?
Or are you just spreading lies and not actually doing it yourself? 
onyx wind
opener without lust feels so RNG tho
stoic needle
listen i haven't gotten any good mastery drops or items in vault since i discovered the One True Way
onyx wind
also have to pool for vanish
stoic needle
cant build a mastery set if you dont get any mastery drops
brittle pawn
thats not a lot of either
stoic needle
These are my stats with doomblade on
spice spire
What the fuck
limber lion
and I fucking despise mastery
onyx wind
Crit still sims higher than haste with 492 crit and 585 haste
Hehe just craft ur legendaries with vers/haste :)
stoic needle
i don't have mythic gear 
brittle pawn
spice spire
Hehe just craft ur legendaries with vers/haste :)
I played myself 
onyx wind
Any vers haste crafters? 🤣
stoic needle
Any vers haste crafters? 🤣
me lmao
brittle pawn
119 
feral merlin
These are my stats with doomblade on
the god font Gilroy-Bold pogchamp
onyx wind
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
limber lion
stoic needle
the god font Gilroy-Bold pogchamp
literal bis font
limber lion
Beggars can't be choosers
stoic needle
i want shriekwing legs and huntsman necklace
spice spire
You can have my necklace 
limber lion
i want shriekwing legs and huntsman necklace
Huntsman neck you say?
Here
Take it
spice spire
5% avoidance cause im bout dat
Tanking when?
limber lion
I don't want it
stoic needle
https://gyazo.com/aa29f541e76dd154971577cae25c293c
onyx wind
Leech enchanters 🤣 👉 🚪
limber lion
just the neck alone is like 40% of my mastery
brittle pawn
cant seem to replace heroic denathrius head and every single pants just have mastery in their pockets
strange python
farm SoA for bis neck
stoic needle
both my zoldyck and my doomblade are haste/vers
onyx wind
cant seem to replace heroic denathrius head and every single pants just have mas...
ye only really PvP helm and vault stuff can replace it
stoic needle
wish i'd made them crit/haste
spice spire
I have 234 mastery and like 150 is just the neck
stoic needle
this neck is a banger, wish i had it in 226
feral merlin
Just upgrade it oh wait
stoic needle
spice spire
Toxic chat today
stoic needle
i'm afraid of socketing 220s
dark crag
Hey that's my neck
onyx wind
stoic needle
this ring though
onyx wind
i socketed this
dark crag
I have that ring reversed
stoic needle
imagine doing the maw 
brittle pawn
yea exacting preparation sims highest for me in dslice too with only crit food
shrewd dawn
@stoic needle Whats the name of the addon that puts de % after the stats values?
brittle pawn
imagine keeping a food buff all run in a pug tho
stoic needle
imagine dying 
stoic needle
<@!502859708504342538> Whats the name of the addon that puts de % after the stat...
Better Tooltips
stoic needle
so hard to get any good crit gear this expac
this is why i regret crafting my legendaries as vers/haste
i could be a 30% crit chad
onyx wind
I TRIED TO TELL U GUYS
shrewd dawn
thanks 🙂
stoic needle
damn even with just haste food exacting prep is still simming higher than wasteland prop
brittle pawn
council boot
onyx wind
oh yea
stoic needle
frigid kestrel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fsUkYxFvh6KrYNkdycKW2z
Da FUCK?!?!
limber lion
poisoned katar double potency theotar simming best in 5t 5m <:monkaS:58573408401...
wtf is a 5t 5min
frigid kestrel
Cheating ass sims
stoic needle
wtf is a 5t 5min
i'm doing dungeon slice, 5 target 5 minute, 2 target 3 minute and a couple other types to see wtf is the difference between all of these soulbind combos
limber lion
i'm doing dungeon slice, 5 target 5 minute, 2 target 3 minute and a couple other...
Why 5t5m though, what's the point of it? There's nothing like that in the game
brittle pawn
YET
onyx wind
Agree, its absolutely useless
limber lion
M+ packs are like 20-60s
stoic needle
i mean at that point what's the point of a 5 target patchwerk when there are no patchwerk 0 movement fights in the game
it's not a realistic scenario ofc it's just trying to see what the different talents do in different situations
onyx wind
also no point comparing tea party to katar
tropic ocean
its the most realistic scenario available
onyx wind
since it gives ur bros vers
brittle pawn
exacting prep even wins with no food buff 
ebon bramble
anyone know if serrated bone spike stacks. infinitely on a single target? so if a fight lasts 6 minutes, you can have like 10 stacks ticking on the same target? 🤔
limber lion
Yeh, but 5t5m literally doesn't exist
tropic ocean
because all you want to know is whats your maximum dmg in your dmg phases on boss
stoic needle
5 min patchwerk also literally doesn't exist
tropic ocean
:^)
onyx wind
well its 100x more realistic than 5t 5m
stoic needle
anyone know if serrated bone spike stacks. infinitely on a single target? so if ...
no it doesn't
ebon bramble
you never know!
ebon bramble
no it doesn't
really? 😦
stoic needle
again, it's not about realism
it's just about seeing what the different talents do in different simulated situations
to try to discern some kind of pattern
limber lion
I'd argue that HD is a pretty patchwork-y fight.
tropic ocean
inerva +- 5min, artificier +- 5min, sunking +-5min, hungering +-5min
stoic needle
but there's a lot of movement
limber lion
But yeh alright
onyx wind
it's just about seeing what the different talents do in different simulated situ...
makes sense i guess
limber lion
but there's a lot of movement
?
tropic ocean
sludge +- 5min
limber lion
There's movement in mythic, but HC HD is literally 0 movement
stoic needle
if you don't cloak the consume, there's a lot of movement in hungering
limber lion
if you don't cloak the consume, there's a lot of movement in hungering
Why wouldn't you cloak it?
stoic needle
maybe your raid is boomer and makes you clear orbs
brittle pawn
because your mongo RL yells at you
stoic needle
but the point is that as soon as you move 1 step it's different from a 5min patchwerk sim
tropic ocean
but it doesnt matter for what you want to know from your sim
limber lion
It's possible to have 100% uptime on Hungering Devourer without missing a single auto-attack or cast
It's not possible to do 5T5M on any boss, ever.
stoic needle
that doesn't make patchwerk any less valid of a sim type, but the point is that even if it's not representing reality it's still useful as a tool
limber lion
Or have that sort of uptime in that sort of scenario
tropic ocean
its the best sim there is
and yeah its not 100% accurate but it tells you all you need to know
whats my best setup for effective dps time on boss
ornate lake
is there a document on what abilities we can cloak to avoid mechanics in CN?
stoic needle
whispyr is working on it
limber lion
How's your 60s sim looking like?
stoic needle
it's not released yet
tropic ocean
only thing Id actually do a really short sim is sunking
stoic needle
i'm waiting for it to finish right now i'll let you know
tropic ocean
cuz nothing matters but how much dps can I do in shield window
ornate lake
Ah okay. Trying to lurk in here and watch youtube gives me some tips, but that will help a lot.
stoic needle
i bet that increased potion duration bind will sim better in a short scenario actually
limber lion
is there a document on what abilities we can cloak to avoid mechanics in CN?
Live and learn. When you get a mechanic on you next time, try cloaking it
:^)
tropic ocean
for sunking you can probably even play exsang
limber lion
for sunking you can probably even play exsang
fleet anchor
i'm doing dungeon slice, 5 target 5 minute, 2 target 3 minute and a couple other...
I mean it's ok to explore this for academic sake and understanding, but it does somewhat sound to me that you're basically just trying to do the same thing that DungeonSlice already does, just manually and in your head 🙂
tropic ocean
<:jebaited:399223871917785092>
i mean
not for overall obviously
but the only struggle in progress besides healing is doing enough dmg to break shield so
from a pov to kill boss thatd probably even really good
stoic needle
I mean it's ok to explore this for academic sake and understanding, but it does ...
Yeah it's mostly for understanding's sake. I want to know why a specific talent is good and in what situation. dungeon slice doesn't really tell me that because it's all of those situations combined into one sim
limber lion
i mean
Exsang just sims soo much worse than alacrity even on short fights. But you actually got me intrigued, maybe it can be a dps increase in a 10s window
That would be pretty dope
I love Exsang
Too bad it's awful 😢
stoic needle
So I can then use my own judgement for which talents to pick for a certain dungeon
limber lion
I loved playing around it
tropic ocean
i havent simmed it was just a thought
cuz due to fight design especially sunking it doesnt matter if I lose 500dps overall
if I do more dps in that window
for progress that is
frigid kestrel
Ok so im legit loving Katar Double Potency. I dont think ill ever do back to Wasteland
tropic ocean
im pretty sure if boots would make u able to line vendetta with push points in bosses youd play them as well even if they are overall loss
frigid kestrel
Unless i get a shit ton of crit to warrant it
stoic needle
you mean 5%? 
woven bane
can anyone tell me how to sim for different covenant abilities i cant find it
tropic ocean
in top gear you can pick every covenant
frigid kestrel
you mean 5%? <:KekW:742193303776395355>
Na, cause then id be like "What would %5 Crit ontop of that already %5 Crit look like"
Its a endless loop of wanting crit
tropic ocean
when you scroll down
@woven bane
you can compare them all, also all conduits etc
woven bane
so if i choose another soulbind it also sims with their respective ability?
stoic needle
Na, cause then id be like "What would %5 Crit ontop of that already %5 Crit look...
i think if you consider the vers wasteland gives to your homies it's probably better overall but katar definitely doesn't seem as bad as i thought
frigid kestrel
i think if you consider the vers wasteland gives to your homies it's probably be...
I mean.... selfishness
stoic needle
fuck those boomkins amirite
tropic ocean
so if i choose another soulbind it also sims with their respective ability?
yes you can check everything you want to compare
frigid kestrel
The second someone snitches to my tank that i can give Vers to the group imma break my keyboard
livid temple
Question for you guys, Who is still running Vigor Vs Deeper Stratagem? Right now DS sims about 50 dps better than Vigor, but vigor feels much easier to use. just thought id see if anyone has a preference?
tropic ocean
is shield phase 10s?
limber lion
Any shield-breakers here?
limber lion
is shield phase 10s?
Idk but the sim starts the rotation from the beginning applying garrotes/ruptures/shivs and building cp
So it's hard to sim it where the target already has garr/rup/shiv/vend/flag on it before he casts the shield
limber lion
But it's definitely shorter than 10s
lilac sparrow
no dagger until 5000 valor yeah 
tropic ocean
it probably is the highest dps output you can get for shield phase
frank sail
My current sim, and im 21%crit 27% haste 28% mastery 5% vers
limber lion
Most likely
marsh yew
Question for you guys, Who is still running Vigor Vs Deeper Stratagem? Right now...
I go vigor because I like the way it plays over DS 🙂
tropic ocean
and it should be a good amount higher if you are necrolord covenant
stoic needle
i went haste and vers on my lego, made a big mistake?
no not really
limber lion
If you have everything ready and then just exsang and vanish env/mfd/env/muti/env
Actually
pliant apex
no not really
oh ok ty osh
sweet pecan
where is all this damage coming from
limber lion
:^)
stoic needle
But it's definitely shorter than 10s
maybe do a 20s sim to give it time to put dots up?
limber lion
Exsang is 45s so it's a bit meh
limber lion
maybe do a 20s sim to give it time to put dots up?
I think the shield is like 5s, that's why I gave it 5s to apply bleeds.
Also has 20% variance just in case, but doesn't do much on a 10s sim lmao
tropic ocean
stack haste, get pi every pillar in sludge, blast
limber lion
I'm actually intrigued
stoic needle
i think whispyr made a custom sludge pillar sim type to test that and it was still bad
limber lion
sad
stoic needle
because of the time inbetween the pillars exsang is so much worse than alacrity
limber lion
But what if you kill it on the first pillar 
tropic ocean
who cares overall WHEN U R TOPPING DETAILS ON PILLAR
you just need to show superiority to your group
"guys why is yellow on top of blue and purple and orange"
stoic needle
i think exsang could be legit for sks tbh
tropic ocean
for progress definetely
or if u wanna push boss dmg log
it should be the highest dps you can get
stoic needle
theotar MA/NS MFD exsang
sweet pecan
how do you get 18k dps with a 222 ilvl ass rogue
livid temple
@marsh yew i agree on preferring the way it plays but the minmaxer in me is finding it really hard to ignore the 50 dps XD
stoic needle
if you're a min maxer you have no choice
limber lion
how do you get 18k dps with a 222 ilvl ass rogue
You don't.
stoic needle
deeper is the way
marsh yew
^
livid temple
this is the way
limber lion
That's a 10 second simulation, that's why it's 18k
icy crater
take pre workout before raid and you get 18k dps
lofty shell
whey of spectral power
gleaming eagle
You can get that much dps before patch 9.0.5
limber lion
But they fixed that I think
I just simmed that in 10s in 9.0.5 bruh
But yeh, do not recommend for anyone to actually do it
gleaming eagle
With ma ?
limber lion
Our sims and our opinions are not that of Ravenholdt
ebon bramble
how strong is assassination burst now? seems lackluster 🤔
limber lion
how strong is assassination burst now? seems lackluster 🤔
Burst is pretty decent, not the best.
exotic pulsar
Isn't opening with ambush better now that combo points for the first finisher (slice and dice) are irrelevant since it last infinitely now?
limber lion
Sustain damage is what it's about my boy
spice spire
That sounds like the disclaimer message on a social media account
limber lion
Isn't opening with ambush better now that combo points for the first finisher (s...
No.
exotic pulsar
Okay why? Before hand you chose mutilate for more points to boost slice duration
Now that factor is no longer relevant.
limber lion
You still apply poisons with both hands, you have a chance to proc blindside and the extra cp is always nice.
livid temple
tbh Deeper strat isnt harder to play around, i just prefer vigor because i feel like im doing more XD
stoic needle
so from my collection of sims i've found that refined palate is bis if you're popping agi potions on CD on trash packs and for general burst damage, lashing/poisoned katar is a very viable alternative to wasteland propriety in dungeons with high target counts, and exacting preparation is just really damn good if you can keep your food buffs up consistently no matter what food you have active
exotic pulsar
Okay so its for blidnside
I can see that, so without that talent ambush should be prio?
gloomy fern
gets mutilated flesh ramping also ♿
stoic needle
i really wanna try out NS+MFD next fort week
i guess MA would be bis for that
i should max mine out
marsh yew
I was messing around with MfD in raid and it actually felt surprisingly pretty fun
getting another envenom in the shiv window feels good
or being able to put up a rupture instantly
like I know it's worse in raid but it feels good :):):)
marsh yew
^^^^^
subtle kiln
screw with it on reclears
willow isle
In terms of gameplay, which covenant ability do you like most?
misty holly
I can see that, so without that talent ambush should be prio?
I thought that might be it, but Whysper has said no matter the talents Mut is just better always. I guess between combo point generation and poison procs it edges out ambush.
livid temple
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6zrMcPs5ewB14KGaNnda4W
so the game says that if im gonna be a weakling and take vigor i might as well take vigor and Elaborate planning
stoic needle
interesting
misty holly
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6zrMcPs5ewB14KGaNnda4W
so the game says ...
That's my setup.
Screw blindside.
subtle kiln
for better or for worse it’s nice having competitive talent options.
limber lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6zrMcPs5ewB14KGaNnda4W
so the game says ...
Yeh they walk hand in hand like DS and BS
stoic needle
there's definitely an argument that EP/MFD could be viable for fights where burst damage is more important
livid temple
I might try it out on a couple of our reclear fights, 40 dps is a bit of a loss but it isnt massive
odd flax
on the 7.3k dps ST Venthyr bis SIM, is it using double potency or dauntless duelist?
livid temple
I'm 90% sure they are using dauntless
limber lion
there's definitely an argument that EP/MFD could be viable for fights where burs...
Yeh, and NS on top of that.
Especially if running MA legendary
eternal steeple
Hello boys i've tried many opens on ST with MA wich one is the best for you ?
livid temple
Running vigor and EP give me big nighthold vibes not gonna lie
stoic needle
Yeh, and NS on top of that.
i'm torn between doomblade and MA for sks
lilac sparrow
no more valor after got 5000 this week?
stoic needle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Qi2EF7WWEEKTY2LaQFMtz i think if get these last couple 213 slots to 220 with valor i should be around 6700 dps
stoic needle
no more valor after got 5000 this week?
the cap should go up next reset
limber lion
my man's been grinding
lilac sparrow
no 226 any weapon in vault
of course I opened 3 gear from the first week
garbage game
lilac sparrow
KR server pvp sucks
exotic pulsar
I know in a perfect world you will pool 80%+ energy before your shiv is ready and have all dots rolling but if this is not the case do you delay shiv to pool energy or just use it on cooldown even if your energy is low and pray for blidnside procs / crits?
misty holly
I havent seen a vault weapon since the very first week when I did a +4 dungeon
still using that =/
odd flax
I am simming 6726 with Double potenxy and the shiv conduit, wondering If I can reach 6800+ with dauntless
sleek sparrow
Then try it with dauntless picked
odd flax
Iam Still at 25 renown, Will Try simming It later
sleek sparrow
I know in a perfect world you will pool 80%+ energy before your shiv is ready an...
Don't delay shiv
stoic needle
I know in a perfect world you will pool 80%+ energy before your shiv is ready an...
don't envenom until you're at 70%+ energy and you will always have enough energy for shiv
livid temple
@odd flax dauntless was about 180 dps better than double potency for me, even with 213 lashing and 213 steel
odd flax
Nice, I have 213 lash and 200 steel
exotic pulsar
The issue I have is sometimes ill be at full combo points and abuot to energy cap and shiv is still a few seconds from coming off cooldown so I will envenom then mut x2 to build up for the next shiv but now my energy is fairly low.
Should I just let it energy cap?
misty holly
Should I just let it energy cap?
Typically I just do it. Too many fights have movement that trying to minmax to that degree means sometimes missing out big
like oh I saved up for the perfect shiv and then got the thing and have to run out for 7 seconds
should have just used it
stoic needle
depends on how many seconds. if it's just 2-3 seconds with full energy it's fine
exotic pulsar
I have a few options I guess. 1. Energy cap for 2 seconds while waiting for shiv to cd. 2. Envenom mut x2 + shiv at low energy. 3. Envenom mut x2 + delay shiv for high energy. 4. Envenom then shiv without combo points saved up.
misty holly
might depend on raid size. I often am in 10 person raid. That thing that targets a random person hits me more than someone who does 25 person raid maybe.
stoic needle
#1 and #4 are your best options
livid temple
I love that Shiv almost always perfectly aligned with my need to refresh rupture XD
exotic pulsar
Yes, quite annoying.
Speaking of that. If rupture is about to expire during shiv 9 second debuff do you let it fall off in favor of envenom spam or do you sacrifice an envenom to refresh it?
upbeat umbra
refresh
livid temple
I'm pretty sure you want to save the rupture, but I could be wrong, the energy back is a little too important to drop
exotic pulsar
Yeah it seems like a tough call. On one had env will do 34% more damage from buff but on the other it loses 5% from rupture with doomblades and you lose a bit of energy
livid temple
If I can squeeze an envenom in and then end up refreshing rupture with like 2 seconds left then I will do that, but I don't think I'd let it drop
royal lantern
its not "a bit of energy"
dropping rupture/garrote is the worst possible case
cus you immediatly starve extremly in energy and need a long time too get it up again
stoic needle
yeah like, if you have to shiv and then spend the whole window refreshing garotte and rupture that's totally fine
upbeat umbra
It do be like that sometimes 😦
livid temple
Yeah you basically want to just Shiv on cooldown, if you have to rupture yeah it sucks a little but you lose more damage from holding Shiv or letting rupture drop
exotic pulsar
I always refresh garrote since its a builder so it doesn't really cut into my envenoms
I can work on the rupture part
Like when I mean I let rupture fall its is like on the third envenom. Not the first where I would lose it for 10 seconds. I'm talking about right at the end and my choice is between one last envenom and refreshing rupture in two GDCs which is only a 16 energy loss or rupturing the last envenom and losing 34% dam on it.
livid temple
Sometimes if I see Shiv is about 4-5 seconds way and rupture is on about 10 seconds I'll refresh it a little early so I can get the perfect envenom Shiv window, but that's a trade secret
exotic pulsar
I would obviously refresh rupture if it was waring out like right into shiv. That would be a crap load of energy lost.
strange python
I don't do m+ as assa, I also don't push for CE (only 5/10 so far), however I might run some pvp as assa. Is Doomblade still better choice than Zoldyck in this case, wanna know what to make after reset?
raven hollow
I don't do m+ as assa, I also don't push for CE (only 5/10 so far), however I mi...
I believe the answer is yes, Doomblade is more better
livid temple
Tbh I use to dislike the Assassination rotation because it felt so basic and didn't really have any 'wow moments' like subs shadow dance or outlaws 5 roll. But the more I've played it the more I really enjoy the simplicity but impactfulness of the spec
raven hollow
Idk, 18k envenoms are pretty wow
exotic pulsar
How TF you get 18k? I'm 222 ilvl hitting for like 13k
proper garnet
worn path
Ven, mastery, shiv and doomblade
raven hollow
Inside Vendetta with shiv and doomblade
stoic needle
it may not be the best dps but who cares
mine hit for about 15k right now and I don't have that much mastery
exotic pulsar
My envenoms inside vendetta with shiv and doomblade at ilvl 222 are like 13k
I'm doing something wrong
gentle gyro
https://i.imgur.com/effgawc.png
every time i log onto my dk i get reminded that i have this there
and now on my rogue
raven hollow
I'm also Kyrian still so they're 7 CP envenoms sometimes
That's prob the difference
gentle gyro
My envenoms inside vendetta with shiv and doomblade at ilvl 222 are like 13k
really low mastery i guess?
exotic pulsar
Are you using nightstalker or soemthing?
My mastery is low but mastery sims low so why would anyone stack it?
raven hollow
Me? No. Phial and Chain
exotic pulsar
Hmm what's your mastery?
onyx wind
livid temple
My 213 monk got a 226 phial while my rogue got week 3 of no upgrades I was big sad :(
sleek sparrow
Getting a billion Pi's kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it lol
raven hollow
Lower than yours...like 20%
sleek sparrow
livid temple
Is PI actually good for Sin?
sleek sparrow
It's haste
onyx wind
Passassin
sleek sparrow
We like haste
limber lion
Decent
onyx wind
Yes its good
serene basin
Is PI actually good for Sin?
more hast, more ticks, more auto attacks
more skills
more dmg
oblique flare
more energy, more spam, more brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
limber lion
There's several better targets for PI though
strong tide
if playing MA do you hold vanish for first garrote to run out so you can reapply a subterfuge garrote?
onyx wind
You mean in M+?
limber lion
if playing MA do you hold vanish for first garrote to run out so you can reapply...
Just do it when the garrote drops in pandemic range
strong tide
You mean in M+?
yh
limber lion
So under 6s
onyx wind
U mean on bosses or packs?
lilac sparrow
40 M+ no dagger
strong tide
either
onyx wind
on boss u prob dont hold
serene basin
40 M+ no dagger<:SucksMan:586205462010003456>
damn, man
onyx wind
on pack u do
livid temple
So what you are saying is when our fire mage/ MM calls for Pi I should give the priests 50 gold to give it to me instead?
serene basin
So what you are saying is when our fire mage/ MM calls for Pi I should give the ...
a little more
but yeah
onyx wind
I think assassin might beat MM on ST PI value
lilac sparrow
Mythic gear also can be upgraded?
strong tide
40 M+ no dagger<:SucksMan:586205462010003456>
im still using boe dagger :l
strong tide
scuffed dagger
exotic pulsar
Yeah I'm doing something very wrong then. Just now tested on a target dummy and with Vendetta + Shiv + Doomblade + 25% mastery my envenom crit for only 11,277. Overall item level 222, weapon is 223.
limber lion
I think assassin might beat MM on ST PI value
No.
It's not even close
Assa gets around 300 dps from PI on 5min fights
Marksman get like 500+
onyx wind
Is that with 1 PI on pull?
raven hollow
Yeah I'm doing something very wrong then. Just now tested on a target dummy and ...
What's your vers
exotic pulsar
629, 15.73%
placid adder
Is it ok to use pox in OH if you have lower I lvl dagger?
lilac sparrow
KR server pvp suffered too many abusers and there top players and nubb only
onyx wind
U dont have to PI the same target through the whole fight
serene basin
Is it ok to use pox in OH if you have lower I lvl dagger?
cant
lilac sparrow
Insanely hard to run 2100+
onyx wind
U want to do it at max value points
exotic pulsar
Is it ok to use pox in OH if you have lower I lvl dagger?
Can't mutilate without a dag
prisma monolithBOT
Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.
crystal blaze
damn, raidbots telling me to play DS and full crit with only 12% haste
feelsbadman
limber lion
U want to do it at max value points
That's why you compare them without lust, like was done with this sim
lofty shell
limber lion
And MM beats every other class by far
limber lion
SP is actually the highest
lilac sparrow
DS want 5+ bubble and two mut without crit sucks your rotation
limber lion
But they just use PI on themselves anyways
lilac sparrow
Than crit is also very important
onyx wind
How do they sim assa in that
raven hollow
Ok so the difference comes from soubinds I think. We have the same vers, you've got higher mastery
onyx wind
is it venthyr?
limber lion
Hmm
Maybe if they were simming Vigor on Venthyr, but they're not
Haste is still a great stat to get with DS
raven hollow
I'm running Pelagos while I learn the spec, so I get like 20% bonus mastery. I get 17-19k envenoms in a raid environment
onyx wind
PI allows u to get consistently 5-10 more stacks on flag
exotic pulsar
I'm went to log it real fast but I didn't get a single evenom crit
so waiting for cooldowns again
lilac sparrow
That sim give PI on perfect timing?
sinful island
what are best slot legs you can have? De Other Side haste mastery one?
lilac sparrow
We got fired up after several process
sleek sparrow
He's not asking for craft
subtle tundra
what are best slot legs you can have? De Other Side haste mastery one?
droptimizer -> weekly chest +10
fleet anchor
Cause i think PI with lust is overkill on assa
There's really no such thing as overkill haste for Assassination at this point, it's just that MM is better because Wild Spirits is a busted ability 😛
limber lion
Whispyr simmed the differences between 18-25 stacks iirc and it wasn't a huge difference either way
subtle tundra
there is not best slot legs
onyx wind
There's really no such thing as overkill haste for Assassination at this point, ...
Fair
subtle tundra
its whatever sims best for your gear
limber lion
Because people were asking whether or not to finish early during flag
onyx wind
He's not asking for craft
mb
strong tide
how many targets for tempest?
limber lion
how many targets for tempest?
1
limber lion
So what "isnt a huge difference"
Idk, ask him.
exotic pulsar
Lol did another try at logging it but again I didnt crit a single envenom and yes I am using master assassin talent
onyx wind
Cause to him, 2% isnt a huge difference
fleet anchor
Top parses in Nyalotha were getting about a bajillitonty-five haste on pull so really we want as much as possible, it's just that some specs are way more overloaded into their cooldown windows
livid temple
Tbh all I am hoping and dreaming for from my great vault is either chest from ToP, phial, helm from HoA and neck from spires
fleet anchor
Vendetta is a pretty weak CD compared to a lot of CDs now
limber lion
Vendetta is awful
onyx wind
Yea vendetta sucks
onyx wind
truu
serene basin
there is not best slot legs
the one from SoA is good tho
fleet anchor
I mean it's really just the fact that as far as burst goes, +20% is pretty tame by current standards
tidal gorge
Or just buff it and keep the flavor. Let us tunnel
fleet anchor
Vendetta burst isn't really burst when Balance Druids can do 250k damage with one button press 🤣
raven hollow
On the same length CD too lmaoooo
onyx wind
Dont compare anyone to balance druids man cmon
livid temple
Convoke go brrrr
fleet anchor
Not a single Rogue spec is even remotely close to top CD burst
raven hollow
Right right, compare to the fire mages instead
limber lion
like Vendetta is a shit version of Nemesis, which is a talent for DH's
onyx wind
b-b-but we get 60 energy
limber lion
They get 40s more duration 
fleet anchor
Pretty sure there are more specs above Assassination in terms of burst CDs than below it, even as the best Rogue spec at burst
onyx wind
Depends on how you count burst
first 10 sec? probably
but after 30 sec its kinda equal
atleast with stuff like boomers
limber lion
but after 30 sec its kinda equal
But that's not burst anymore is it?
30s is a pretty hefty time frame
exotic pulsar
What's your vers
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9td48hT7GgMfcDNQ/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1. So that is with sepsis mastery, 25% mastery unbuffed, vendetta, shiv, doomblade. Why is my envenom hitting like a wet noodle?
onyx wind
It depends
limber lion
Do elaborate
fleet anchor
CA is probably a stronger cooldown during lust than Vendetta tbh
onyx wind
But yea we dont burst 40k dps
fleet anchor
Even without Convoke
onyx wind
Do elaborate
It just depends on what u call 'burst'
limber lion
Never seen anyone refer burst to a 30s window before, but I'm open for interpretation
onyx wind
Noone refers to any specific window
onyx wind
In a raid scenario i think most people would enlarge the window a bit
for dungeons, prob 10-20 sec is more relevant
lilac sparrow
10s is fair enough :) sludgefist also want to do that👍
limber lion
But isn't the definition of burst "As much damage in as short of a time frame as possible"
fleet anchor
I mean the current Rank 3 Assassination parse on HD (no externals)
is 6th in their raid in DPS by the end of lust
frosty bridge
Does it matter if my higher ilvl weapon is main hand or offhand?
onyx wind
Yes, put it in mainhand
limber lion
Does it matter if my higher ilvl weapon is main hand or offhand?
Where does he end up when the boss is dead?
I'm guessing he climbs up?
fleet anchor
2nd
limber lion
Yeh
fleet anchor
10 dps below the #1 Warlock
So basically tied for top overall
And still meh during lust
frosty bridge
Lol
onyx wind
6th in burst isnt that bad when some of the other classes get PI probably
and can be UH DK's
is he losing to stuff like boomies?
fleet anchor
Yes
onyx wind
like losing losing or 1% less
fleet anchor
2 boomkins, 2 afflocks, shadow priest during opener
lilac sparrow
Where can I see opening rotation for Venthyr MA doomblade sin?
fleet anchor
thin inlet
!rotation
fleet anchor
And not particularly close
limber lion
Where can I see opening rotation for Venthyr MA doomblade sin?
Single target with the Master Assassin talent:
Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - Flag - Rup - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti (until 5-6 cp) - Env, etc.
fleet anchor
That's first 40s
Considering that's a R3 parse
And those Balance Druids are like.. low 90s parses
ebon bramble
i wonder if during mythic sire you can have 10 bone spike stacks on sire
fleet anchor
Rank 400s
limber lion
How does he fare up against the guy who gets PI on pull?
ebon bramble
10 bone spike = 1 ambush every 3 seconds XD
onyx wind
Do they get PI?
limber lion
How does he fare up against the guy who gets PI on pull?
During lust window specifically
fleet anchor
How does he fare up against the guy who gets PI on pull?
Which one? Passassin or whatever who gets like 7 externals per pull? 😄
limber lion
Which one? Passassin or whatever who gets like 7 externals per pull? 😄
Pass
onyx wind
go Flag and rup even my second mut no crit?
with 2cp on 2nd mut i go garr mut -> flag->rup
So u dont have to refresh during vendetta
tidal gorge
I bet that guy has a jacked up truck with giant wheels too
fleet anchor
Passassin was at 11.6k during first 40s
raven hollow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9td48hT7GgMfcDNQ/#fight=last&type=damage-do...
13k on the dummy is fine, that's right about what mine is. It'll get bumped a significant amount in a raid environment, which is where the 18k number came from
forest swallow
Is there a good add on that helps track poisons on each target when you target them or are you guys just watching debuffs on threat plates or something ?
onyx wind
1.5k more than the guy without externals
But assa only gets 300 dps from PI man
limber lion
But assa only gets 300 dps from PI man
It does
We're talking about the 40s window
Assa gets 300 dps in a 5 minute window
onyx wind
Why sim in a 5 minute window thoe...
limber lion
Pass also has BF and multiple PI's from 3 priests
onyx wind
Those sims should be pr cd set
limber lion
He doesn't just get 1 PI on pull
fleet anchor
The top caster parses during lust and stuff will be doing like... 15k during lust
Minimum
limber lion
Like if you want you can just advance sim PI on yourself with external_buffs.power_infusion=0/120/240
exotic pulsar
13k on the dummy is fine, that's right about what mine is. It'll get bumped a si...
Damn that is a really large increase I'm gonna check my raid logs from last night to see if I had any near it
limber lion
Then just add as many PI's as you want there
fleet anchor
Top MM Hunter parse is also around 14.5k during lust
limber lion
Why sim in a 5 minute window thoe...
?? HD is a 4 - 5 min fight
onyx wind
Yes but why would u ever restrain urself to PI the same person
instead of making it CD based
that just makes 0 sense
limber lion
Because of laziness
You just focus someone and then /use PI [@violet plaza]
PI the UDK on pull and then your focus target after that
onyx wind
Sure, but why would anyone who actually plays their class restrain themselves to PI the same person
Also, the 5min sim prob doesnt line up flag with vendetta
which might be better if ur getting PI
silent tinsel
I've looted more shoulders and oozes from plague fall than anything
limber lion
Yeh that's why you PI someone else on pull with lust and then full focus on who gets the most value out of it in 2 min windows
ie. Marksmanship Hunters
onyx wind
Sure, but thats now what 5 min sims show
onyx wind
And yes thats what im arguing the whole time LOL
Doesnt matter if ur comparing classes with same CD windows
limber lion
You PI the one with the longest, hard hitting cd's on pull (Unholy DK) and then you PI whoever has cooldowns for the next PI (ie. everyone with 2 min cds) and then you PI whoever cds when it comes off cd again (4 min mark, so again 2 min cds)
exotic pulsar
13k on the dummy is fine, that's right about what mine is. It'll get bumped a si...
Highest I had was just over 16k on sire. Guess I just need more gear.
limber lion
Your PI target could potentially change at 6 minutes because you could PI someone with 3 minute cooldowns then
Assuming that all cooldowns are used on cooldown that is.
limber lion
Of course if an UDK wants to hold army to match with a priest's PI, then that might pull ahead of course.
onyx wind
Yes noone is arguing otherwise Ceverion
limber lion
No no, I'm not implying that.
Just specifying reasons why you would PI someone who has 2 min cds constantly.
wind nymph
hello there, saw lot of assas going m+ with doomblade instead of zoldyk, how does it work? u just spam mut/garrote/rup on multiple target instead of fan of knives/rup ?
vestal wren
The top caster parses during lust and stuff will be doing like... 15k during lus...
what do you look at, first 20 secs of fight?
wind nymph
i'm seriously confused about doomblade in plus
onyx wind
Also, where do i input PI buff in advanced sims
limber lion
hello there, saw lot of assas going m+ with doomblade instead of zoldyk, how doe...
It's generally good for dungeons with not a lot of trash mobs
onyx wind
APL ?
limber lion
Also, where do i input PI buff in advanced sims
After your simc-paste yeah
onyx wind
I gained 300 dps in a 2 minute sim
fleet anchor
what do you look at, first 20 secs of fight?
Just first full 40s during lust
limber lion
i'm seriously confused about doomblade in plus
Normally you'd just want to run Zoldyck/MA for most dungeons though, Doomblade~~ gets no value at all~~ loses value from trash packs bigger than 4.
subtle kiln
what do you look at, first 20 secs of fight?
that seems to be where they taper off. on inerva the FMage would top off at about 20 seconds i would be even and at 30 seconds i was ahead considerably (this was UH).
flat crater
best Conduits for assa?
limber lion
best Conduits for assa?
Lashing Scars > WPS > LP
lilac sparrow
Lash for Venthys, otherwise WPS
limber lion
Also 
flat crater
wr does lash drop
limber lion
wr does lash drop
Sire Denathrius, callings, world boss
placid adder
Is there a haste cap for sin?
limber lion
Is there a haste cap for sin?
There is no haste cap for any class/spec in the game.
placid adder
Well I know four outlaw you don’t wanna be over 600 unless something changed
limber lion
Well I know four outlaw you don’t wanna be over 600 unless something changed
Why not? Also that still doesn't imply a "haste cap"
More so a recommendation of sort.
storm onyx
Health reasons I bet 😂
limber lion
Sorry @vestal wren go ahead 
vestal wren
just wanted to know what time frame we talk about
stoic needle
over 600 haste as outlaw = carpal tunnel
vestal wren
because i was rly high in burst last night on inerva because of very lucky wm procs during the first 20 secs
placid adder
Yeah worded wrong not cap
limber lion
over 600 haste as outlaw = carpal tunnel
Rogue gcd's don't get shorter with haste, so doens't really matter
vestal wren
basically #1 in damage meter, but well that did not last long
stoic needle
Rogue gcd's don't get shorter with haste, so doens't really matter
more energy = more buttons to press though
limber lion
Havoc DH during lust though...
onyx wind
basically #1 in damage meter, but well that did not last long
Sad our opener is so RNG based
limber lion
because i was rly high in burst last night on inerva because of very lucky wm pr...
With Akaari's as well?
vestal wren
na with finality
limber lion
Ah
vestal wren
also its first 40 secs, so havoc wasn't even up there
limber lion
also its first 40 secs, so havoc wasn't even up there
Ah that was just referring to the carpal tunnel syndrome that Osh talked about
Havoc DH with lust + pi = hand goes bye bye
limber lion
Yeh me neither, that's why I just play Assa 
stoic needle
deeper strat sin is so comfy
ebon bramble
i want less APM thanks
vestal wren
assassination ironically feels to slow for me
ebon bramble
i had an MM hunter and it was quite relaxing. aimed shot 2.5 sec cast was like aaaa low apm, relaxing
limber lion
assassination ironically feels to slow for me
subtle tundra
all casters are low apm
ebon bramble
except fire mages
stoic needle
if i could halve my energy regen to double the damage of my abilities i'd do it
subtle tundra
but thats still low apm
vestal wren
assassination without blindside is 📉
ebon bramble
not really
vestal wren
so slow
ebon bramble
fire mage is higher than rogue
gusty mirage
Assa without blindside is anti stonks?
vestal wren
yes, at lest on pure st
limber lion
assassination without blindside is 📉
Imagine playing without BS and Vigor. 
polar cape
Assa without blindside is a pi stacking assa <.<
exotic pulsar
Fire mage is not higher apm than outlaw
ebon bramble
well no
exotic pulsar
Not even close
halcyon zealot
yeah i think it’s cuz my haste is pretty low in my assass set still, but i’m glad vigor is simming like 45 dps higher than DS for me, feel like DS assa has got to feel so slow rn
gusty mirage
Imagine playing without BS and Vigor. <:PES_Yikes:643089267928596502>
Imma blindside and deeper strata kinda guy
exotic pulsar
Well everything is higher than sin
vestal wren
top of the apm chart:
limber lion
Imma blindside and deeper strata kinda guy <:peepohappy:585740413223043075>
Yeh that's fine, they walk hand in hand pretty much. If you play DS, you play BS.
exotic pulsar
I'm pretty sure with mark outlaw is highest
ebon bramble
protection 😐
vestal wren
mm/ele is quite slow
ebon bramble
oh outlaw higher than fury dang
gusty mirage
Yeh that's fine, they walk hand in hand pretty much. If you play DS, you play BS...
I’m a newly reformed master assassin guy too thanks to you friend 
ebon bramble
ya MM hunter is like wtf low lol
exotic pulsar
outlaw with deeper stratagem is probably the one on the chart
toxic tusk
I’m a newly reformed master assassin guy too thanks to you friend <:feelsloveman...
What happened to MA?!
ebon bramble
i still havent decided if i want to
vestal wren
owlwaving is in a different profile that has more middle of the pack apm
ebon bramble
necrolord or venthyr 🤔
halcyon zealot
lol i must not be pooling for envenoms enough then, over 32 m sludge pulls ln my apm as assass was 58
vestal wren
so feral is not that slow possible
limber lion
owlwaving is in a different profile that has more middle of the pack apm
Yeh, I think they nerfed it (or are planning to nerf it)
vestal wren
gusty mirage
What happened to MA?!
I was playing subterfuge and resimmed and found out I was hard inting my dps by playing subt over ma talent
toxic tusk
Aaaah
vestal wren
i think blizz disslike if something is to dominant
toxic tusk
Just sneak in, you're literally a rogue.
vestal wren
ofc the totally ignore ranged dps balance for unknown reason
gusty mirage
oh fuck my raid started 5 mins ago
May the loot gods bless you with all the loot
toxic tusk
Here's a side question. I'm making the Doomblade legendary and have the max Zoldyck. Should I stick with Zoldyck until my Doomblade is 235? Or is switching from the 235 to 225 worth it?
halcyon zealot
loot doesn’t exist, i brought my fresh mage alt to a full heroic clear and left with one piece of loot that was traded to me
fading adder
My 210 doom blade sims higher than me 235 zoldyk as well
toxic tusk
Interesting.
exotic pulsar
how can you look up APM without using old charts from december with 0% haste?
halcyon zealot
zold is prob only the play on sire now, and probably not even by tht much
toxic tusk
How is Zol on old Kaelthas? He sits in execute range for a solid minute or so
prisma marsh
where can we see the full list for the apm chart?
fading adder
The fight revolves more breaking shields than anything
exotic pulsar
Looking at a decent 97% parse I got as outlaw on hungering last week I had 80.7 APM.
Im farily sure with mark + haste outlaw blows every single class out of the water with APM
plain thistle
enchant proc, mutilate off hand
ebon bramble
Babylonius's spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DsAxgSmQbBGVp6UOYYkHd0MBNSgwELEAddcbvKJ7yQM/edit#gid=239122079
exotic pulsar
I'm just looking at outlaw
plain thistle
stuff like this, where combo point is counted as CPM and both weapons enchant procs
exotic pulsar
Oh I see that now. Combo points is the biggest issue.
ebon bramble
actually ele shaman rising the most haha
livid temple
Shiv right now is basically part of the kingsbaine ability from Legion right? Only think it's missing is the additional damage amp from deadly poison?
exotic pulsar
Hmm we need someone to go through all the top logs and redo apm
toxic tusk
I love survival tbh, it's awesome
and for the level I play at, I can still out dps people.
plain thistle
Shiv right now is basically part of the kingsbaine ability from Legion right? On...
hmmm, i think toxic blade and now shiv is more like old agonizing poison and not kingsbane
yeah
replaced with toxic blade
limber lion
Flagellation is closer to Kingsbane.
livid temple
Ahh yes, kingsbane was basically just a decent nature dot
limber lion
Quite similar in fact.
livid temple
With a damage amp
ebon bramble
tropic echo
does flagellation hit all targets you hit with CT?
ebon bramble
no
tropic echo
flat crater
just swapped covenant and lost about 400 dmg on sims, only have 1 conduict, it will improve much or?
forest swallow
Anyone have a good WA add on to help track poisons and bleeds uptime
Or do you I just need to get used to seeing them on my threat plates
onyx wind
Anyone have a good WA add on to help track poisons and bleeds uptime
Open weakaura, click new weakaura
tropic echo
it would probably be quite easy to make your own for that if you don't want to look for one, just make a debuff tracker for rupture & garrote and separate them a bit
tropic echo
& CT i guess
onyx wind
I can give u mine but theyre built around my bars
exotic pulsar
So a decenty geared outlaw rogue with 100% uptime with marked for death and two on use trinkets has about 70 APM. No wonder my fingers hurt.
tropic echo
70 APM doesn't even sound like that much for a melee
tropic echo
sounds like me playing warrior & leapcharging on cd lol
exotic pulsar
70 APM doesn't even sound like that much for a melee
Next highest melee is fury in the mid to low 50s.
grim tree
what are the stats for rogue assasin in m + ??
unreal laurel
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
stoic needle
haste > crit >> vers > mastery for m+
gusty mirage
It used to be crit vers in bfa, but it’s probably the same as ST now
long juniper
Hey Doomblade lego on shoulders or hands and what stats ?
stoic needle
hands, crit haste
tropic echo
doubt it would be the same as ST, crit way more important in MT for cp generation
long juniper
okay not shoulder bc of main stat?
gusty mirage
Unless you have no foreseeable chance of getting SLG mythic shoulders. Then it doesn’t matter
stoic needle
not shoulder because there are 233 shoulders available but not 233 gloves
gusty mirage
I picked shoulders cuz I had 220 shoulders and 226 gloves 
long juniper
@stoic needle thank u man 🙂
frigid kestrel
one day my guild will prog hard enough for me not to get 233 shoulders drop because my luck is shit
a guy can only dream
stoic needle
kekw
gusty mirage
I picked shoulders cuz I had 220 shoulders and 226 gloves <:peeposhrug:657382266...
Plus my guild still has council and sludge to get through before we get to stone legion and that’s probably not enough time to get a real shot at the 233 shoulders by the time the tier ends
exotic pulsar
I think that is blown out of proportion. By the time mythic general's shoulders are even relevant to you gear just doesn't really matter anymore. I say get whichever piece is the best upgrade
long juniper
Poison Bomb or crimson tempest in m+?
gusty mirage
Ct
frigid kestrel
Poison Bomb or crimson tempest in m+?
CT
mighty owl
Yea I made shoulders since I’ll only play this spec on sludge prog
Once I have generals shoulders back to outlaw
stoic needle
Why wouldn't you play sin on sire
long juniper
so u keep ct on st up for that doomblade Envenom buff?
stoic needle
so u keep ct on st up for that doomblade Envenom buff?
If you're talented into CT, you put it up in ST
Regardless of legendary
People have been pumping pretty hard on sire even with doomblade
mighty owl
Idk it’s a ways off now so I haven’t decided yet
strange python
Single target with the **Master Assassin** talent:
```Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - ...
any reasons why vendetta after rupture?
heavy jolt
also, why not vanish after getting to max combo points?
sinful fable
Progressing council atm as assa, holy shit does this feel bad compared to outlaw on this fight 😦
heavy jolt
we've been working on council too. was thinking of switching to assa
sinful fable
dont
not for council atleast
might be our guild tho, but we're moving everything way too much, and the opener is scuffed cuz the add spawns just in time for your vanish envenom muti envenom part
heavy jolt
ew good point with the vanish
strange python
i mean u delay 3-4 secs its not a big deal
exotic pulsar
This spec probably wouldn't feel as clunky if garrote didn't have a cd
limber lion
any reasons why vendetta after rupture?
Rupture is a dead gcd so Vendetta gets more value by using it right before you start muti-env spam
That's what the sim suggests, but some people like using Vendetta earlier. Dps is similar for both
stoic needle
i mean shouldnt you be saving that burst for the attendant anyway
or just wait until its dead
strange python
fuck no