assassination

[ebon bramble]

lol

[shadow tangle]

I think next will be every 20 percent one person gets MCed

[nocturne hawk]

And vanish wont work on it

[ebon bramble]

you pull 3 packs

3 ppl cc'd

what do

[stoic needle]

Cry

I could definitely see some cc affix

[ebon bramble]

🤔 still debating

switch to necro or no...i feel like i should wait for 9.1

i dnt want to do the "REGAINING TRUST" stuff

[stoic needle]

That's the easiest part though

[ebon bramble]

well ya

[nocturne hawk]

1 person MC'd would be a fun one... and the mc gives ya a dam boost so you'd become a miniboss

[ebon bramble]

but if i dnt switch

i have free switch right now XD

[nocturne hawk]

so grp can blow CD's before it happens, and not have for actual boss... or risk it

[willow eagle]

If you're done with progression imo it's a good time to switch and farm renown for other covenants in case you really need to swap in the future

[stoic needle]

I bet it's gonna be some shit like

Every 20% a new debuff gets put on your party

+50% casting speed

-50% attack speed

25% movement speed slow

They wouldn't overlap they'd just change

[nocturne hawk]

or jailer sends 3 dudes to hunt you before next 20%

🥱

[ebon bramble]

but we dnt knw whats happening in the future tho 🤔

[willow eagle]

In terms of covenant power?

[ebon bramble]

ya

[willow eagle]

Well

[ebon bramble]

you never knw

they might just screw it all up

i guess for now

venthyr is decent enough XD

aitn no necrolord but we i like the theme

[stoic needle]

Nothing wrong with being one of the best st dps specs in the game lmao

[ebon bramble]

ya but its aoe centric game tho D:

[willow eagle]

I think establishing a good base for all covenants by fully unlocking all soulbinds is a pretty safe bet. Even if they add a new system on top you already save the hassle of refarming renown from scratch later on.

[ebon bramble]

they again i think someone mentioned necro doesnt really add aoe XD

[cunning surge]

We're still the kings of Boss Damage

[stoic needle]

I don't really think so. Even in keys single target damage is important

[ebon bramble]

just mostly cleave? ranged cleave?

[stoic needle]

It's somewhat cleave, but the main benefit of necro is cheap cp

15 energy for 3cp

[willow eagle]

If I understand correctly you wanna slot in as many envenoms as possible during shiv right?

[stoic needle]

I mean sin is arguably better for every boss in CN right now except slg so like

What aoe centric game are we playing again? Lmao

[final star]

I'm enjoying assassination in keys atm

[stoic needle]

Aoe is padding more often than not

[final star]

It's big fun on tyrannical

You can do competitive enough aoe overall

Bearing in mind the mage is giga under geared btw

[stoic needle]

You want to try to but don't choose envenom over refreshing garotte or rupture

[steady owl]

what legendary are you playing there?

[tropic echo]

is that like

a 50 second pack?

[final star]

MA

[tropic echo]

or a 15 second pack lol

[final star]

It's 8.19M overall damage

[stoic needle]

That's overall

[final star]

🙄

[tropic echo]

oh dur

[stoic needle]

Ngl that outlaw should be dumpstering you on overall

[tropic echo]

fire mage aoe is insane so his dps is honestly represented in his gear if he's undergeared

[ebon bramble]

you are necro right>

[final star]

No

I am venthyr

[nocturne hawk]

outlaw

[ebon bramble]

y u gotta do me like that

[stoic needle]

MA/KS is literally the only reason I'm interested in playing law atm lol

[tropic echo]

opinions on DfA in open world lol

[final star]

I'll play outlaw on fortified

[stoic needle]

And outlaw is a bit better for boosting if the buyer is totally inting

[steady owl]

how do you open on aeo though? triple garrote still?

[stoic needle]

Sin actually pumps on fortified too tbh

[final star]

I use nightstalker

[stoic needle]

The mobs live long enough for the dots to go brr

[tropic echo]

nightstalker uwot

[nocturne hawk]

Is MA/KS the law play now, no more Cel/BR?

[final star]

:)

Nightstalker indeed

[stoic needle]

I think they sim similarly for some people

But I will play KS just because it's more fun

[final star]

Having snd up already

[stoic needle]

Idc

[final star]

And opening with mfd + CT

[stoic needle]

CT from stealth with NS 🥜

[final star]

Is big pog

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna try that next fort week

[nocturne hawk]

I did really like the charge with BR, save that hook cd

[stoic needle]

If you're charging with br you probably aren't cleaving with it

Its kinda weird

[final star]

You don't burst in aoe anywhere near outlaw

[tropic echo]

idk i feel like id rather multi garrote FOK CT

[final star]

But you do twice the boss dps

And that's fax

[stoic needle]

CT snapshots with NS

[tropic echo]

im aware

[stoic needle]

It's absolutely the play if you're using NS

[final star]

CT nightstalker bangs

[tropic echo]

of course

im saying i wouldnt use NS lol

[stoic needle]

subterfuge is better overall but NS isn't that far behind

[tropic echo]

id rather run sub

[stoic needle]

It's like 1%

It's a lot worse on ST though

[tropic echo]

CT doesn't give energy right

[stoic needle]

Nah

[final star]

No

[tropic echo]

yeah id much rather have subterfuge then

[final star]

But you CT > Fok > Rupture> Fok > Rupture

With MA

[tropic echo]

garrotes thoo

[stoic needle]

5cp ruptures tho

[final star]

Yup

As well as a 5CP CT

[tropic echo]

why not both

[stoic needle]

Ma is 4s so you get 2 5cp ruptures

Ma subterfuge is kinda weird

[final star]

Yup

[stoic needle]

It's good but it feels weird

[final star]

MA is the reason I run nightstalker

Over subterfuge

If I was running zoldyck I would prefer subterfuge

[stoic needle]

I've been running doomblade this week

It's pretty legit actually

I wonder if the doomblade dot snapshots

[tropic echo]

ah yeah im probably not gonna run MA

[hazy geyser]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[ebon bramble]

random question, what happens to all the covenant item sets and transmog if you switch covenants?

are they still accessible?

[final star]

No

[stoic needle]

You can't use them :)

[ebon bramble]

or they delete it?

oooo

[final star]

You keep them

Can't use them

Or use as tmog

[ebon bramble]

rip

lol

i like the mog D:

necrolord be ugly mog

[stoic needle]

MeAniNgFuL cHoiCe

[ebon bramble]

ugly mount

ugly everything D:

[wide prism]

Anyone here necrolord assassin? If so.. how ya liking it?

[ebon bramble]

but amazing skill tho

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3fv8V3XWEqaCpnGu1dxHUp

[stoic needle]

Imagine flying around on a literal poop fly

[ebon bramble]

better than venthyr. more cleave/aoe compared to shitty single target venthyr

[final star]

just to show that NS is actually ahead for me slightly, but roughly equivalent to subterfuge

[ebon bramble]

[grand echo]

Shitty...

[sleek sparrow]

did a parse run with my guild tonight, almost all 90+ on everything with a few 99's

[stoic needle]

Pog

[ebon bramble]

im surprised tho, dungeon slice shows venthyr as top.

fake news?

[stoic needle]

No, single target is a large part of dungeon slice

[ebon bramble]

oshosi, stop meddling with the sims

[stoic needle]

And haste is good in aoe too

[final star]

it's more than just damage after all

[stoic needle]

I wish I had control over raidbots

[final star]

energy regen in aoe really matters for assassination

[ebon bramble]

you venthyr blood suckers dont knw the power of throwing boners at the enemies

[stoic needle]

Have fun with your boners

I'll be over here at my goth tea party

[ebon bramble]

lol

[final star]

[ebon bramble]

man venthyr theme so good. blizzard did a great job with them XD

[stoic needle]

I think all of the covenants have good themes even if I don't like them equally

[ebon bramble]

does necro bonespike stack on the same target?

infinitely?

[stoic needle]

The damage doesn't go up but you get more CP I believe

[ebon bramble]

oh

no infinitely stacking DoT?

D:

im disappoint

[subtle tundra]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

Why do y'all wanna crash the servers so bad

[tropic echo]

i thought the dungeon slice thing was garbage and should never be used

thats what i was answered with last time i wanted to sim it

[final star]

For any other class

[stoic needle]

Where do you people hear this shit

[final star]

It's not perfect

[stoic needle]

No not even for other classes

There's like maybe 2 classes with bad aoe APLs

[tropic echo]

is one of them fire mage

/mage

[stoic needle]

No

[tropic echo]

p sure that was where i asked

[stoic needle]

It's warlock

Dungeon slice is great for rogues because we have fantastic TCs and a banger APL

[stoic needle]

They're just wrong

[silent remnant]

!bis

[stoic needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

[final star]

The main downside to it is it is hard to model all key levels

[shy dust]

Dungeon slice is not recommended

[silent remnant]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[shy dust]

For most specs

[final star]

If only we could put our own values in for pack size and length without having to fuck with it yourself

[shy dust]

We are an exception

Not the Norm

[final star]

the only reason it's valuable to rogue, and probably feral by extension, is because of restealths

[stoic needle]

Idk man I pretty clearly remember fuu and koji saying that it's not that bad for most specs

[shy dust]

I mean

It’s bad for hunter warlock mage

Just off the top of my head

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice is fairly for a lot of specs

They don’t handle time to death or add waves

[stoic needle]

Fairly what

[final star]

When have you ever had a pack of 1-3 mobs that lasts longer than 4-6 mobs

[stoic needle]

SD

[final star]

especially after a boss fight where you have no cd's

[stoic needle]

TOP

[gray fjord]

Spires on the end of the dungeon if you go giga three angel

:3

[balmy condor]

Bad

[stoic needle]

Oh

[balmy condor]

Have you looked at warrior or shaman apl?

[stoic needle]

Why do other specs have such bad apls

[balmy condor]

It’s an icyveins priority list on wheels

[final star]

cos their tc is bad

[stoic needle]

[final star]

DK's btw

[fallow otter]

DoS big boys

[final star]

I think dslice would be better if you could just choose the values

[fallow otter]

But yehhhh don't just take dslice on its own as a way to choose gear

[final star]

cos it being static like that is unrealistic

[fallow otter]

It's an ok guide

[final star]

but it's the best way to gauge restealth value

[stoic needle]

It's a tool, just like every other sim

[final star]

especially with a good apl

[stoic needle]

Just like pure patchwerk represents absolutely zero fights in any raid

[fallow otter]

It's not useless information, and will help those that have no idea alot

[balmy condor]

This is enhance apl

Just BTW

It’s actually just a priority list

[final star]

NF shaman sims giga

but inactually

in actuality*

it's not viable in practice

[stoic needle]

I guess we are lucky then

[balmy condor]

We are

We have a lot of good people that work hard to make our sims as accurate and optimized as possible

[final star]

can say with confidence that rogues are the only class that I would recommend dslice lol

[balmy condor]

And with simulationcraft being an entire passion project, that is rare

Warrior TC is always looking for people

Warlocks are a little shambly

Shamans are a little light handed

[final star]

"light handed"

afk you mean

[balmy condor]

All TC’s do good work

They don’t get paid a single cent

For the work they do

[final star]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's good work still

You're just being switzerland

[balmy condor]

No, I’m being appreciative of people using any amount of their time on a hobby

That helps others

And gives the community a resource to use

[ebon bramble]

hey whispyr if you dnt mind me asking, what was your reasoning for going venthyr?

[fallow otter]

He missed being red

Green sucks

[balmy condor]

My dungeon group needed a venthyr

[fallow otter]

That doesn't sound correct

[balmy condor]

And I like the ability

[fallow otter]

@ebon bramble what's your favourite type of rum

[ebon bramble]

i dnt really have one

[fallow otter]

[ebon bramble]

i chose mount gay cause you know, am also gay 🤣

made sense

[subtle tundra]

hey also gay

im varas

[ebon bramble]

o hi

[fallow otter]

Im not gay but Hi anyways

I just don't wanna feel left out

[fathom swift]

class x having a less optimized apl than class y is almost never cause "oh x class tc is shit", it's just cause they have less people working on them

rogue is way above average for number of people actively working on it

[fallow otter]

Lock is basically a baron wasteland from my experience

Monk is good for the amount of players

[balmy condor]

I’m fairly sure Rogue TC’s also just have more time spent in general I think

Koji works on like 5 APL’s

Out of the goodness of that sexy man’s heart

[final star]

Its the difference between fine tuning and the bare minimum

Bare minimum is more than anyone can ask for free

[balmy condor]

There is no bare minimum buddy

[willow isle]

Does anyone use FoK talent is last row?

[balmy condor]

Not usually, no

[brittle pawn]

Memers, dreamers, key depleters

[final star]

A simple priority based list is the bare minimum for a sim to work

So there surely is a bare minimum

[balmy condor]

Bare minimum for it to work

It doesn’t have to work though

[final star]

[fallow otter]

We call those guys Hugh

[gray fjord]

I feel that Sudden Fractures is much better than I would've given it credit for. Hm.

Am I kookoo for cocoa puffs, Whispyr? I was testing some PTR stuff and a 213 SF sims within like 10 DPS of a 213 WPS (Patchwerk, in 2 target it's like 200 DPS better or something silly)

[balmy condor]

No one has to work on simc, they volunteer their time, and when you volunteer, there is no minimum

[balmy condor]

Nope, that happens

[gray fjord]

Ty boo, just wanted to make sure. ❤️

[balmy condor]

Np baby

[fallow otter]

Maim closer for me

Lol scuffed gear

[gray fjord]

I assume you're running doomblade, Stunkei, so it kinda makes sense a little?

[tired thistle]

!rotation

Assuming that worked

WHere can i find the opener?

[cunning surge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[cunning surge]

These all have Openers and Rotations on them

[tired thistle]

Thank you

[cunning surge]

No problem!!

[glad garden]

have they updated the dps charts for the week since the sin buffs last patch?

[cunning surge]

I'm fairly certain, we have them in the pins iirc

[glad garden]

awesome i'll give it a look was hoping it overtook outlaw and a few other classes

[final star]

It has in single target

[cunning surge]

Yeah we kinda pulp in single target now

[glad garden]

thats all everyone cares about for us anyways XD

if your are bringing a rogue along for aoe your not playing to win from the get go 😛

[final star]

There is a reason why rogue is in every top key rn

[glad garden]

single target and CC

[final star]

[glad garden]

does sin's aoe atleast become viable to make it compete with outlaw overall yet?

[cunning surge]

Yeah like Outlaw is nice for M+ don't get me wrong
But I think Sin will overlap it in overall speed on Tyrannical weeks

I don't think so
Like it's good, it can carry itself, but Outlaw's cleave and aoe is just rediculous in comparison

[glad garden]

im about to make my 235 lego so wanting to make sure it's back to respectable before i waste the gold swapping back over from sub which seems to have fallen off a cliff.

[cunning surge]

Oh yeah, Doomblade is solid as hell for overall damage

[glad garden]

im still iffy if i ever want to play outlaw i refused to play combat or any related spec after Wrath.

[cunning surge]

Zold and MA is better for M+ tho

[glad garden]

oh so Doom isn't the #1 leggo right now for sin?

[cunning surge]

Oh it is

For ST

Like Doomblade does more overall damage in raid, but Zold still see uses for Prog kills and Sire because of how important execute phases are this tier

[glad garden]

Well dang not sure which to start with now

[tired thistle]

Ok am i reading the rotation right we open with mut and not Ambush? is that just because the ability for Mut to crit twice thus doing more damage or is that a typo?

[balmy condor]

Doomblade is honestly fine

[cunning surge]

Doomblade isn't a wrong pick, I would start with Doomblade personally

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[tired thistle]

Ok makes sense to me thank you

[cunning surge]

Wait we use Ambush during Sepsis proc??
I thought it was only during Blindside

[balmy condor]

Well

Technically we use it during sepsis

But not anymore with doomblade and stuff

Koji gave in earlier

[cunning surge]

Gotcha gotcha

[balmy condor]

[glad garden]

how many ppl swapped to venthyr with the lashes thing getting buffed?

[cunning surge]

A large chunk

[balmy condor]

I swapped to venthyr regardless of that conduit

[cunning surge]

I stayed Fae personally but it's hard to ignore the Flag rework

[glad garden]

i just got maxed renown tonight in arden so i can probably swap covenents at this point

but lord do i hate the venthyr area

[tiny thunder]

I've been venthyr since day 1 and I'm glad it finally paid out. Tbe only problem is I still sometimes press flag again at the last second of the ramp up phase.

[glad garden]

i feelk with flying it might be ok

[lavish pulsar]

for sludgey we use vendetta at 0, 2nd pillar, and 4th correct?

[balmy condor]

Yes

If you’re doing 3, you would pop 1 and 3

[lavish pulsar]

i'm assuming we'll hit 4. unless there were some very cool mythic nerfs 🙏

[glad garden]

Whisp do you got a link to your armory i want to check a few things out on it to make sure im setting everything up right while swapping to sin.

[balmy condor]

I assure you I’m not very impressive xD

[glad garden]

were rogue are any of us O.o

[balmy condor]

Let me get you a link real quick

[glad garden]

kk ty

[fallow otter]

Yeh I am and it does but it still feels kinda scuffed coz my gear is so all over the place, alt gearing

[gray fjord]

For sure, I know M,M is generally not all that great but with doomblade it seems much closer, though really it doesn't seem like there is an insane difference between WPS/M,M/LP anyhow.

Think like 30 DPS at worst or something in patchwerk. xD Not like losing Count the Odds vs Triple Threat or anything crazy.

[gray bobcat]

!bis

[balmy condor]

not anymore

[gray bobcat]

rip!

[limpid bison]

what leggos you guys running in m+?

[lavish pulsar]

!rotation

hmm

what do we do for large packs of mobs

like the big slime packs in plaguefall before the first boss

[reef axle]

if we are running ct for keys, we never use ambush do we?

[dusky vault]

FoK into CT, since they die very quick you would probably envenom and not rupture

[crisp edge]

necrolord doomblade ❤️

[balmy condor]

correct

[vivid tulip]

Hey guys, quick qn. Assuming SnD falls off going into a pull of 3-4 mobs. When do you guys refresh? Anecdotally I find that for 14-15s, they generally die quick enough that taking time to reapply the buff is kind of a dps loss

[fallow otter]

There a CT spender breakpoint khisp?

[glad garden]

Whisp it's a good thing i looked yours over that talent tree is completely different than the guides. i would have been way off on things lol

[balmy condor]

not sure what you mean

[fallow otter]

Well back when it was like 8mobs it something

[balmy condor]

usually not worth to snd if it's that short

[balmy condor]

that seems unusual :P

[glad garden]

oh wait your is setup for multi target

[balmy condor]

yes

[glad garden]

i was looking at the single setup

[vivid tulip]

@balmy condor thanks!

[glad garden]

so nvm only difference now is the vigor and mfd which i don't feel is that serious either way

[fallow otter]

At some point back in the day the initial dmg of CT just made it a good spender, is that dead? I'm def assuming it is but still interested

[balmy condor]

correct

[balmy condor]

yeah we don't ever hard spam ct

[glad garden]

for myth i feel vigor is better for single fightinf and questing i feel mfc might be.

[balmy condor]

mfd is almost surely better with venthyr in keys

[halcyon fulcrum]

!bis

[balmy condor]

but I can't be fucked to use mfd :P

too lazy most of the time

[balmy condor]

gone

[glad garden]

o well this is a good starting place and i can ease back into sin again starting tomorrow after work. i got 2 days off after that to toy with everything.

4:30 am here and work comes early so im out for the night yall have a good one

[balmy condor]

you too man

[halcyon fulcrum]

@balmy condor ??

[balmy condor]

the list, I removed it

[halcyon fulcrum]

Ahh oke

[strange python]

[wet tusk]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[final star]

MfD is so good for keys for me

Opening with a NS boosted CT helps

[vestal wren]

MfD is rly good on outlaw/sin atm

[final star]

Target prio target with mfd for the easiest resets

[vestal wren]

not sure if it stays in that spot for a bigger part of the xpac,
it usually tends to fall off with more borrowed power systems or higher gear levels

[final star]

I'm running MA legendary + NS + MfD

[strange python]

envenom mfd envenom on opener is so cute

[cunning surge]

Yeah I'm finding Vigor to be working for me a lot better in keys over MfD

[final star]

It's biggu fun

[vestal wren]

nightstalker is interessting

[final star]

CT > Fok > Rupture > Fok > Rupture > garrote

Is what I'm doing

And on bosses opening with a NS boosted rupture is good fun too

[vestal wren]

I am happy that assassination finally sees some play tbh

[lament mica]

big dam

[final star]

It's great on tyrannical compared to outlaw

But I know I'm definitely gonna prefer outlaw for fortified

[native lynx]

I won damage for the first time in mythic CN with assassin

[final star]

The upkeep on longer packs for assassination is a headache

[subtle tundra]

i mean

[native lynx]

on darkvein and on xymox

[subtle tundra]

assa isnt good on tyra

cause mobs die fast

so its hard to ramp

[lament mica]

congrats!

[final star]

Hmm

[subtle tundra]

and outlaw single target is not much lower than sin

[native lynx]

how did you get the covenant icons in details

[final star]

An addon

Called details covenants

[native lynx]

thanks! feelsbad though, because I won damage and it was still an overall blue parse. I was like..wtf mate

[final star]

Outlaw single target when they run KS + MA is definitely lower than assassination

[subtle tundra]

but you dont always play ks

and MA on 2 min bosses isnt much lower than celerity

what if in those keys you send screenshots from the mage was geared

and pumping dmg

[final star]

Then everyone would do less damage

But it doesn't change the viability of assassination on tyrannical

[subtle tundra]

my point is that the packs would last a lot less

[final star]

When you are the top boss damage

[lament mica]

in m+ aoe damage still matters more than doing a little more boss damage

ass is perfectly viable in m+, no1 is disputing that, but I agree that outlaw is overall better on tyrannical or otherwise

[final star]

Packs still last long enough in high keys to do 6-12k dps depending on pride etc

[subtle tundra]

oh well

i should do atleast all keys once on assa to get some decent score

im almost 2k on outlaw but only 900 score on assa

feelsbadman

i used to be an assa main in m+ what have i become

i fell to the dark side

[final star]

I'm in the pug life hell at 1550

Where people dont accept you readily for 18-19

But also people are picky for 16-17

I feel rogue is in a weird spot for m+

We're super viable and used in high keys

But pugs don't like rogues

[lament mica]

they don't not like rogues, they don't like melee

its a systemic problem atm that goes way past rogues

[final star]

Player perception 😂

I think most pugs are conceded that they need at least one melee dps now though

For the reduced kick cd

Most people just want speed in 16-18 though

Rather than consistency

[cunning surge]

They don't like not Outlaws*

[lament mica]

thats wat the tank is for

[final star]

I only play outlaw in pugs

[cunning surge]

I'm a lot better at Sin than I am Outlaw, even if I have a lower chance, I still don't want to bottleneck myself

[final star]

I'm fine at both

I do more on outlaw inherently

[cunning surge]

I probably should practice Outlaw more
I'm just way too trigger happy with RtB

[twin bolt]

guys, how much worse is nightfae for assa compared to other covenants?

[final star]

[analog glade]

what is the haste percentage for playing deeper?

[balmy condor]

whatever sims higher

[analog glade]

Okay thx

[frosty bridge]

Does SBS dot work with Exsanguinate?

[balmy condor]

nope

they fixed that real quick

[tropic echo]

sin is amazing at funneling right?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't call it amazing

sub is still much better at that

but it's not bad I guess

[tropic echo]

really? even with all the energy sin gets from multidotting?

[balmy condor]

our problem is that 1. we need time to get all those dots rolling

2. we have some pretty pathetic cp generation in aoe

3. because of #1 and #2, most of our resources when "funneling" will actually go into maintaining the multi-dot, instead of actually hard funneling into something

[cunning surge]

I'd say Sin has a much better flow rotation wise than funneling

[analog glade]

The pull is a bit slowly

[lofty shell]

how many dots do you apply when running m+ ? is it worth putting garrote + rup on every mob? or is it really depending on how long they will live

[balmy condor]

that's a very complicated question with no one answer sadly

the general rule is rupture/garrote everything that lives long enough

[lofty shell]

figured that much, feels really weird just pumping cp into bleeds and then realizing they melted

[arctic cloud]

I tend to just do 3 point ruptures on majority of trash and play CT

[fluid dust]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

but there are minor gains to be had from limiting dots to prevent overcapping too much energy etc, and using an envenom instead

and these rules all change depending on the pull and the length due to that time to kill stuff

[lofty shell]

yeah higher keys / fort weeks generally allow for more rupture usage i guess

[frosty bridge]

do i SBS instead of Muta as necro?

Even with doomblade?

If the bleed is up*

[balmy condor]

yes, you use it as a cheap generator

[frosty bridge]

Sick

In Council is it worth dotting/SBS all 3 bosses for regen/cp generation?

[balmy condor]

yes

but not with rupture

that's a waste

[frosty bridge]

Just garrote i guess

[strange python]

whispyr, does it make sense to play mfd at sludgefist so i can get another flagtick + envenom off in that crit window?

[frosty bridge]

Ah, sick

[balmy condor]

there was a build that was very successful on sludge that was EP nighstalker mfd with MA legendary, you would vanish envenom mfd enven mut enven

[shadow helm]

best WA?

https://wago.io/rJLsKGVt-

[balmy condor]

I'm not sure how that's comparing to doomblade this patch

but it was okay in the past

might be worth trying

[strange python]

i mean yeah makes sense to me, since all you dmg comes from that one dmg window

[primal zinc]

hello ssins

[limber lion]

Morning

[eternal wave]

BOIS we broke the roof!
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xaZ5xwGjfb5vxQxqx9UQno

Not by much I'll admit lol

[final star]

Still can get more too

That's pog af

[eternal wave]

Leggo still 225

Big sad

[nocturne hawk]

man, actually fuck aoe cap for old raid mog farming

[final star]

just use blade rush

as outlaw

[nocturne hawk]

yeah but not having steps + ss for movement speed kinda sucks too

lose lose =\

[final star]

grapple

is shadowstep with a mouseover and no target requirement

[limber lion]

I literally have very similar gear to yours and I do less than 6.9k.

[signal sluice]

hey guys 🙂 assa with ventyr or necro? 🙂

[limber lion]

Venthyr

Both are fine honestly, play what you want.

[signal sluice]

i now play necro 🙂 but.. ventyr still better 🙂 and .. do you anyone how much i cap haste? 🙂

[limber lion]

There is no haste cap

[limber lion]

Our characters are almost copy-pasta of each other, except that all of my items on the left side, excluding the chest, have mastery in them. Yuk

Same weapon, same trinkets, same pants, same hands, same belt, same ring.

[sleek sparrow]

[outer acorn]

guys is assa viable in m+ after all the buffs it got?

[sleek sparrow]

The mastery pain coming through strong

[outer acorn]

or is it still dead

[final star]

it's decent

[sleek sparrow]

It's fine in m+

[final star]

outlaw still preferred from my own gameplay

[outer acorn]

is it as good as in bfa?

[sleek sparrow]

I've been doing plenty of 15s as Sin

It's not really comparable to back then lol

[final star]

I've done 15-18's

and average 5.8-6.5k overall

[outer acorn]

and what lege were you running?

zoldyck?

[final star]

MA

with nightstalker

[balmy condor]

no

[red pagoda]

thing is that sin (and sub) don't have gouge, which is huge utility for m+

[outer acorn]

ye i know but it's not really that needed when you want to push just keymaster

[limber lion]

Assa is fine in M+. Would highly recommend playing Zoldyck/Subt in M+ for most dungeons.

[outer acorn]

it's required on higher keys

[final star]

Also 8yd range as outlaw

is very valuable

[limber lion]

For KSM you can play any spec.

[outer acorn]

i know that

[final star]

you can play any comp in the game and get KSM

[outer acorn]

just before i took a break the numbers were so garbage it was a waste to even play it

[limber lion]

You can easily average 6k+ on most dungeons with Assa.

[final star]

it's also dependant on the ability/gear of your team mates

[eternal wave]

Hey that's kinda neat! Just gotta get to shedding that body fa-... I mean, Mastery!

You also have Lashing 226?

[outer acorn]

and did the m+ playstyle change since bfa?

[balmy condor]

we spam fok a ton less

with EB being gone, fok is kinda trash

[final star]

fok is my only gripe with assassination

[red pagoda]

echoing blades was so cool

[limber lion]

Ah no, the difference between a 200 and 226 one is 15 dps for me. So eh kinda whatever

[outer acorn]

indeed it was

[slender urchin]

I hate when you’re in a giant pack and press FOK only to get one CP

“DID NONE OF THOSE CRIT???”

[final star]

yuppppp

[eternal wave]

Yaah it's still pretty much within margin

[regal chasm]

Hidden blades should be baseline, so at least one could open with a fat fok->CT with MA. Like how it was with DFA sub back in the day

[dawn ivy]

it couldnt be exactly hidden blades or else we would be using that on single target which would be 🤮

[eternal wave]

Gotta say I don't really enjoy Shiv being part of our rotation in M+

[crimson palm]

Ok

[eternal wave]

Sure you could and should hold it for utility whenever fighting something that enrages

[eternal wave]

No need to show such fiery passion if you don't wanna be part of a discussion

[crimson palm]

[final star]

I tend to just use it on prio target and save it for enrage removal if required

[eternal wave]

Anyway it kind of irks me the same way you'd use Fel Rush on a DH with Momentum, where abilities have 2 clear uses and you have to pick

[final star]

or extra slow if there is no need for me to run numbing poison

[eternal wave]

Yah I'm surprised by how many times I find use of Shiv with Crippling, as any spec

Waiting out an expected Enrage is one thing, but not being able to hard slow when the tank fucks up because Shiv is on CD for DPS usage is annoying

[red pagoda]

just give back toxic blade and have shiv be pure utility

[eternal wave]

^this

[verbal sparrow]

damn toxic blade

[frigid kestrel]

Ok so i tried out Katar for shits and giggles

It might be weak, but shit feels good in M+

I dont get as many 1cp FOK's

Unless im bugging

[regal chasm]

Actually what I miss most in M+ when switching from outlaw isn't gouge, but having hook and sprint up whenever you want it

[eternal wave]

Shame the crit chance isn't what scales with ilvl

[regal chasm]

Having only 1 shadowstep charge feels bad

[frigid kestrel]

Ye thats what i miss from Sub

Dat mobility

[final star]

I miss the attack range as outlaw when I play assassination

[eternal wave]

Yeah I definitely miss Hook, but honestly I thought Door of Shadows would feel way worse

Only annoyance is its CD

[frigid kestrel]

Is that something to really miss though? You only really feel that in boss fights ye?

Cause its mostly FOK into CT with spreading Bleeds

[red pagoda]

it's useful to outrange a lot of abilities while still being able to hit

[frigid kestrel]

Ye

[final star]

What Adolin said

playing at max range as outlaw is advantageous in a lot of situations

[red pagoda]

like the gauntlet in sd

[frigid kestrel]

If i gotta get out of something i just FOK more

But i get what yall saying

[red pagoda]

you can stand at max range from the boss, cleave everything and never get hit by that horrible bleed

[final star]

the mob in Necrotic Wake that does aoe rot damage around it before stitchflesh

can be outranged as outlaw

[lofty shell]

acrobatic is so good its hard to learn to stand in melee range with other specs lmao

[somber patrol]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[shadow helm]

double potency nadija for m+?

[final star]

no

[shadow helm]

adge

[final star]

can sim dslice and make your own conclusion as well

I prefer adversary for boss damage

[balmy condor]

it actually sims quite high for me

I think with lashing + katar

pretty solid

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nJmx2jMBq9UvDDoD8sbWW1

90 dps for me

may give it a try

[mystic peak]

katar doesnt suck anymore?

[final star]

Probably helps I use MA as well in m+ atm

so it's big value

[safe canyon]

What slot for doomblade or does it not matter?

[final star]

hands

[safe canyon]

Ty

[balmy condor]

katar helps on venthyr as well, probably some combo point thresholding going on

[raven hawk]

If I wanna PvP as assassination but but play outlaw for M+ is venth the way now? Or stay fae

[verbal sparrow]

I again have dilema what to switch, Necrolord looks nice that you just put it on and dont care, but also that venthyr haste

[balmy condor]

you have to recast necro constantly tho

[verbal sparrow]

[tropic echo]

does combat also run venthyr?

fuck

outlaw**

[balmy condor]

they run necro ideally in m+ from what I know

the instant damage flurries

[tropic echo]

dont all specs run necro in m+ lol

[tropic drum]

what are people running in pvp mostly for assass?

covenant i mean

[limber lion]

Venthyr gang for Bleedyboys

[balmy condor]

it's not as clear cut for the others

[verbal sparrow]

wait so in m+ necro is better or im still bit confused from all of these changes since i haven't played rogue few months

[hollow escarp]

korayn is still very good in M+

[final star]

[hollow escarp]

only outlaw

actually I'm not sure for sub

at all

[indigo mulch]

Whats an acceptable dot uptime on Shriek 1phase?

[limber lion]

A chicken teriyaki 30cm sub is around 8.90€

[balmy condor]

basically necro/fae/venthyr is fine on sin, fae is slightly stronger on sub, and necro is slightly stronger on outlaw

[final star]

1 phase?

100%

[verbal sparrow]

oh okay. because from just sims i can't guess if that gameplay is just annoying or if it's actually good in actual m+ run

[final star]

[verbal sparrow]

ty

[hollow escarp]

1 phase means that you will have downtime

can't have 100% if shriekwing is running around

[limber lion]

1 phase literally means that there is no intermission

[hollow escarp]

[final star]

Thought he meant killing without intermission

[limber lion]

Yes.

[indigo mulch]

I mean with 1 intermission 😦 my bad

Should have specified D:

[limber lion]

Yeah that's not one phase.

[final star]

whatever the percentage of the fight the intermission is

[hollow escarp]

itermition = phasing

[final star]

minus that from 100

[hollow escarp]

that's how I interpreted as well

[limber lion]

The first 2 minutes of the fight = first phase

[final star]

[limber lion]

intermission

After intermission = second phase

[indigo mulch]

How should my uptime look like with an intermission then? 😄

[final star]

this

minus that from 100%

[hollow escarp]

lol, rank 1 sin rogue had worse uptime than me

I have 80% +

[final star]

depends how long the fight is after intermission

yours may be shorter?

[hollow escarp]

doubt

[arctic cloud]

Even tho ven is poggers and I have max renown I’m still tempted to go fae because sepsis seems so good

[limber lion]

Yeah can't really say.

The longer the fight after the intermission = the higher uptime you have

[indigo mulch]

I wish my guild would actually let me play assassination in mythic 😦

[hollow escarp]

you can cheese a bit by refreshing bleeds before going to middle

[limber lion]

So if the boss phases with 1% then you mutilate it once and it dies after the intermission, your uptime will be a lot shorter

Compared to someone who kills it just before the second intermission

[gloomy fern]

why wouldnt they? lol

[hollow escarp]

4:19 min is my best kill so far

[indigo mulch]

Because they asked me to re-roll WW cause we needed the buff, then when WW is finally "bad" our tank went holy paladin so now i'm stuck playing brewmaster. 😐

[tropic echo]

mostly just asking in case i wanted to offspec outlaw for m+ if it's definitively better than sin

[hollow escarp]

rerolling monk from sin rogue right now is kinda troll

[limber lion]

Depends on what you want to do in M+. If you're planning to do higher than +20 keys then yeah

Other than that doesn't really matter honestly

Just play whatever you want

[gloomy fern]

i dunno, i would find a new guild if u actually wanna play sin and not tank

[hollow escarp]

ohh tank

thought it was ww

[indigo mulch]

No

I was WW first.

Then all the suddenly i became a brewmaster apperantly.

RIP sanity.

[limber lion]

Sounds like you're the bitch of the guild

There's probably a better word for it

But yeah, sounds like you're a pushover

[indigo mulch]

lol

[limber lion]

You need to stand up and say hell na, I'm playing WW or Rogue

I'm not switching to tank because the other tank doesn't want to do the tanking

[indigo mulch]

I don't wanna play WW. Never did but i also feel like at that point not having a WW was a waste of dps. 😮

[grand crest]

hey guys i really love to play assassination rogue can i do +15 content with it ? i really dont know what to do i love assassination but not sure can any one help me ?

[limber lion]

You need to stand up for yourself

Doesn't sound like a good environment if you're being forced to play ww first and then tank even when you don't want to.

Find a different guild and play rogue.

[gloomy fern]

if ur not a world first raider, just play what you like imo

[hollow chasm]

people memeing so hard on meta right now, don't play something you don't like

I've been top boss damage on most fights as outlaw and an officer was telling me rogues are trash cause he saw it on reddit

[indigo mulch]

I mean i feel like i do decent as a rogue

atleast on HC :x

[hollow chasm]

on HC you can literally play whatever

[limber lion]

Alright let's see it

[gloomy fern]

well 95% of wow players just look at overall dmg and not important dmg

[indigo mulch]

Fine, give me a sec let me find yesterdays logs.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nWct2hYk31GADQwj#fight=2&type=damage-done @limber lion

I'm the assassination rogue btw.

_>

[crystal blaze]

on opener is it better to use flag before rupture and vendetta ? Or after rupture but in vendetta ?

[limber lion]

Is that a boost run or what's the deal with the Outlaw

[indigo mulch]

Just a friend of a friend

[limber lion]

Ah

[lofty shell]

does same dmg as the boomkin, but nah rogue sux

[indigo mulch]

That boomkin is a main but hes a resto. Thats offspec balance

[limber lion]

Yeh, there's some minor issues here and there but overall it's pretty good.

No reason for your to switch to a tank

Should swap one of the dogshit hunters or the fury warr

[gloomy fern]

i mean there is not much you can do wrong as sin

[indigo mulch]

There is plenty of wrong you can do lol

I tried teaching our sub rogue how to play sin and he just kept whining on how slow it was.

[hollow chasm]

I mean, your guild is concerned about meta and they have 3 fury warriors and 3 hunters

[indigo mulch]

I mean this is an alt run lol

[hollow escarp]

40% rupture uptime

[balmy condor]

@shy dust yo this you?

[indigo mulch]

lol

[shrewd night]

[hollow escarp]

[hollow chasm]

wait, you guys have a destro lock

[hollow escarp]

what's wrong with that?

[indigo mulch]

We don't talk about the destro lock.

[hollow chasm]

they're telling him he can't play rogue and their lock goes destro on council prog?

[shrewd night]

whats wrong with destro

[hollow escarp]

you can havoc the ads

[spice spire]

[hollow chasm]

there's nothing wrong with playing it, but why are they enforcing the meta for this guy and not the other

[hollow escarp]

ohh

[shrewd night]

because this guy isnt part of the cool kids click, I guess?

[final star]

Get someone with a tank OS to swap

Not someone to make a new main

Simple

[hollow escarp]

I mean, there is also the thing that if you are top dps as rogue, your guildmates are not doing a good job.

[hollow chasm]

yeah, looks like they bully you @indigo mulch

[indigo mulch]

Oh 100%.

LOL

[final star]

If no one wants to do that as a raider, then it's up to an officer to swap

[dim temple]

whats the best time to cast Flag in the opner.. i see the top 3 are like use Flag just before Vanish and i see some using Flag and the Rup .. what the big diff?

[final star]

Before rupture

[indigo mulch]

Because officer can play w/e :< we lowly raiders can't do that!

[final star]

Mut > Snd > mut > garrote > flag > Rupture > vendetta and shiv > vanish

Can garrote before mut

Dealers choice

[limber lion]

Definitely not

[hollow chasm]

assassination is pumping on council, I outdpsed people and I forgot to refresh poisons so only 80% uptime

[final star]

Garrote later is better though

[gloomy fern]

u mut cus of ma crit and cp

u enver garrote first

[final star]

Won't have to refresh early in vendetta that way

[limber lion]

[dim temple]

but the top on wow logs are useing Flag and then vanish will Flag impower the rup ?

[hollow chasm]

flag gives you haste and does damage when you use cp

[limber lion]

You vanish after you have all bleeds up and Shiv on the target to mainly crit with muti/env

[final star]

You get more cp stacks using flagellation before rupture

[final star]

Do you know what, I forgot MA was a talent 😭

[indigo mulch]

Don't you pool energy before vanishing?

Unless bloodlust obv

[shy dust]

Yo link CE

[hollow escarp]

wdym? it's THE talent

[dim temple]

but is it so best to dumb your Flag into vanish u get alot of combo points

[balmy condor]

[final star]

I've been playing NS + MA in m+

[limber lion]

Yeh you can.

[final star]

Legit forgot it existed

[shrewd night]

[hollow chasm]

you use it before rupture for the most stacks

it's on the target for a long time, anyway

tbh if you look at top logs right now, they do all sorts of things differently

[hollow escarp]

there are not so many logs yet

[dim temple]

thank you

[limber lion]

There's quite a bit honestly, we're only the 7th least played spec in Mythic

With 4k+ parses

[hollow escarp]

4k total

[limber lion]

wut

[hollow escarp]

1200 of those are shriekwing

[regal chasm]

If you're on max CP, and about to cap energy but shiv is also coming off CD in 1-2 sec, do you just finish even though you might not build up enough CPs for 3 envenoms?

[limber lion]

Yep

That's quite a bit

4k parses in less than a week in Mythic, which is time-gated and locked.

[hollow escarp]

xymox 337, there were 31 when I killed it this week

[limber lion]

And where a lot of guilds are already extending

[hollow escarp]

that as well

[limber lion]

We had less than 1.5k in 9.0

And that was comparing the last 2 weeks

So it's tripled in half the time

[hollow escarp]

wow, 38 on Denny

that's a bump

there were 34 in the entire 9.0 patch

[dawn bronze]

Which are the assass bosses in Mythic Nathria (versus Outlaw)? I've written down Shriek, Artificer, Hungering, Council(?), Sludge, Sire(? at least p3?)

[gloomy fern]

all bosses

except for SLG perhaps

[dawn bronze]

Is it better for Altimor as well?

SLG seems definitely Outlaw, even the passassin guy went Outlaw for that one.

And Sun King should be Outlaw for sure as well?

[limber lion]

What a loser

[final star]

Remember that at this point a lot of guilds are extending

For SLG and Denathrius

and sludgefist I guess

[limber lion]

Yeh like I literally said 3 minutes ago

[final star]

I just came back

🙄

[hollow escarp]

you only have casual mythic guilds reclearing now or CE guilds

[limber lion]

Yeh my bad, forgot that the chat clears itself every minute

[gloomy fern]

my guild did first reclear for 2 months yday

[limber lion]

And you can't read old messages

[gloomy fern]

top1 clown fiesta

[final star]

Skim read

[limber lion]

Sun King is a meme fight, anything works there. Assa is better for dealing with the shield if that's your mission.

[hollow escarp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#boss=2418&class=Rogue&dataset=99 looks like it

should probably tick 95 percentile though

[limber lion]

Assa is definitely better for Artificer

Outlaw's damage drops 90%+ if they get portals/ghosts/seed duty

Assa's damage doesn't drop as significantly if you get punished by mechanics

[hollow escarp]

unless you get portal in vendetta window

had it on 2 pulls until I learned to wait for portals to pop

[limber lion]

Still less than for Outlaw outside of cooldowns

[dawn bronze]

Ty for the link

[final star]

Outlaw literally aids on a fight like artificer

[hollow escarp]

no

it's pretty good

even for mechanics

[tacit pilot]

u guys use poisoned katar for mythicss?

[frosty bridge]

Does Shiv have a debuff i can track with WA?

[final star]

Yeah it's mechanics goat

[frosty bridge]

Because its not in the templates

[limber lion]

Yes

[final star]

But boss uptime stinks

[hollow escarp]

afenar WAs has it

probably most popular packs

[final star]

You track it as debuff on target

[frosty bridge]

Ill take a look, cherers

[hollow escarp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hollow escarp]

you can tell that most popular WA packs are not made by rogue mains

while Afenar is pretty decent

[limber lion]

Unfortunately Afenar's Flagellation weak aura has not been updated

But yeh, I still use Afenar myself.

[hollow escarp]

yeah, it does show the buff stacks after

[limber lion]

Just modified the Flag to work with the new iteration

[hollow escarp]

but you don't see stacks on target

[tacit pilot]

i use luxthos WAs and it covers it and flag

[hollow escarp]

I haven't bothered yet

luxthos is too big for me

[limber lion]

Yeh because currently you get the stacks instantly on yourself

Afenar currently tracks active Flag debuff stacks on the target, but you gotta change it so it tracks buff stacks on you.

[hollow escarp]

would you mind sharing the flag individual wa if you are on the pc?

[lofty shell]

do you use CT on a bossfight in m+?

[limber lion]

Sure, let me just open up WoW

[hollow escarp]

yes but I don't bother refreshing all the time

[limber lion]

Yeh, outside of Shiv windows.

[lofty shell]

ok cheers

[analog glade]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Uhm, how should I share it?

Do I just upload it to Wago.io and you take it from there?

[shadow helm]

PHIAL FINALLY DROPPED

after clearing the fucking dungeon after the hunter left

[balmy condor]

Take the raw paste, and just paste it in here

Share with the class, ya know

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

Yeh, I'm a leech so I've never uploaded anything there myself kek

[hollow escarp]

I think a screenshot with the fix would be more usefull

[gloomy fern]

why track it though, u dont play around it anyway

[hollow escarp]

for fun

I still look at my bars for cloak cooldown

instead of weakaura

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

My solution is to fucking hide everything

Can’t look at something that’s not there

[shrewd night]

alt+z

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

you could probably do just fine

considering muscle memory is a thing

[balmy condor]

Correct, anyone that doesn’t have their keybinds committed to muscle memory isn’t truly a gamer

[shrewd night]

wish I had musclememory that worked like wa

[balmy condor]

Right @dire spoke

[shrewd night]

oh no no no

he did it

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

I mean, when I feel in danger I press Shift 4 even if cloak is on cd or not

[analog glade]

Vendetta > Shiv > Vanish > Mut x2 > Envenom ? Better than / Vendetta > Mut x2 > Shiv > Vanish > Envenom ?

[balmy condor]

The difference isn’t noticeable

[indigo mulch]

I have torpedo on T as monk and i have feint on T as rogue. Everytime some big aoe is coming my monk is rolling around 😦

Musclememory is scary :/

[limber lion]

!wa

[analog glade]

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tulip nacelle]

feint on T gang

[balmy condor]

But the first would be very slightly better with venthyr for the extra cp, and the second would be better for fae because you delayed for the sepsis bonk like a good boy

[hollow escarp]

crimson tempest :

Feint is F

that's why it starts with F

[analog glade]

@balmy condor Oo I understand better

[indigo mulch]

F as failed keybinding!

T is the only true feint button.

[limber lion]

@hollow escarp

https://wago.io/hh1IqG_Y1

[hollow escarp]

ty

[balmy condor]

But like I said really doesn’t matter, do what you’d like

[indigo mulch]

oh damn thanks, i was just looking at that lol

[tulip nacelle]

i don't even know where my ct is I don't play sin probably shift E

[balmy condor]

didn’t upload raw paste

[shrewd night]

this is what you get for not grouping abilities together across chars

[hollow escarp]

I do that

[shrewd night]

if you have torpedo on t on your monk, why the fuck isnt sprint/step on t

[balmy condor]

Brain lag

[analog glade]

@balmy condor I will play more opti, i'm venthyr

[indigo mulch]

My step is on Z and my sprint is on Ctrl+T 😄

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

Keybind chat again

[analog glade]

So the first one is more for me

[tulip nacelle]

[balmy condor]

Z is for unsheathe weapon

[hollow escarp]

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

[analog glade]

[indigo mulch]

i wont even bother showing my bars, its just a complete mess lol

[limber lion]

Oh ya I forgot that Discord can automatically turn it into a text file

Welp

[balmy condor]

I was actually trying to jebait you into posting a giga long spam wall

And then laugh in your face

[limber lion]

evil man

[balmy condor]

[lofty yarrow]

A quick question i’ve been outlaw since launch and assassination play style really fits me way much better as a player, but only having 226+220 daggers atm and a sucky ring aswell, shall i wait to fill the gaps first inorder to be able to decide which spec i’ll be maining ? Or a 220 offhand dagger is not that bad ?
And thanks in advancd

[balmy condor]

Offhand doesn’t matter that much

[shrewd night]

offhand doesnt matter

[lofty yarrow]

Okiii great!

Ty ty

[balmy condor]

Damn shiennar you’re rusty as fuck