assassination

[onyx wind]

Thats what i said before, but cut out in cardboard

Yes im not saying its the same

LOL

im saying if u stack each stat to lets say 500

[balmy condor]

I’m so fucking lost man

[onyx wind]

Crit/haste will be better

[gusty mirage]

So you’re debating stat weights

[onyx wind]

yes

[balmy condor]

I don’t even know what I’m arguing about anymore

[onyx wind]

it has been stat weights since the beginning

[dense hamlet]

why do we argue abt secondary stats didnt we scale with agility allready?

[compact pumice]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/secondary_distributions/castingpatchwerk

[onyx wind]

If you stack all stats to 500, crit/haste is better

Do you disagree?

[balmy condor]

Oh no

Pulling out the bloodmallet

[onyx wind]

Damn that info must be false

Yes, of it does

But im talking single target stat weights with optimal talents and legendary

I didnt think i needed to specify that

Because thats what almost all sims are done with

Thanks man, good point

[balmy condor]

Now you got the shit take

[onyx wind]

But thats not what we are arguing

[balmy condor]

What is happening

[ruby birch]

Guys

Gloomblade is good

[balmy condor]

Exeo is correct here

[limber lion]

This is the worst take by far so far.

You win.

🏆

[gusty mirage]

He had the +4 uno card the entire time

[onyx wind]

How did you sim for the recommended stat weights?

Like on what basis

All stats at 0?

[dense hamlet]

nice fiesta keep going

[crimson palm]

My name is jeff

[gusty mirage]

The cool thing about the stat prio SUGGESTION, is it’s just a general thing to keep in mind. Not gospel. Hence the word SUGGESTION

[balmy condor]

By way of bis, and then stat plots both upwards and downwards from there

The bis list actually has more vers than crit

[gusty mirage]

If you sim something different, follow that. It’s not like the generalized prio is going to be different because you sim differently

[onyx wind]

What im arguing, to state it perfectly clear:
With doomblade, optimal single target talents and on 5 min patchwerk, it is better to stack crit/haste, and vers sims lower in stat weights regardless of any realistic secondary distribution

I guess i misunderstood, its prob the legendary making the weights different

Which doesnt make the general guidelines inherently wrong

[brave vector]

Who cares if vers sims lower, run top gear and wear w/e the hell it tells you is my argument

[balmy condor]

I actually would disagree that the legendary is the skewing factor here

[onyx wind]

Bro ur name is legit vers, i think ur too biased

I dont know what the skewing factor is at all

[balmy condor]

If anything, it’s venthyr

[onyx wind]

Im just guessing

[dense hamlet]

i have 639crit and 508 haste and they sim almost the same so ima just go mastery goobye

[onyx wind]

Sure, could be venthyr aswell

[gusty mirage]

[onyx wind]

But im not wrong

[faint harness]

i have 246 haste, i think removing 1 haste will make it feel good to play

[balmy condor]

Doomblade would actually naturally skew towards crit and mastery more than anything

[gusty mirage]

Listen we may have disagreements about the other stats but we can all agree mastery is poopy

[limber lion]

But that's just because it scales differently /s

[gusty mirage]

I feel like 244 is the play. It feels a lot better IMO

[onyx wind]

I would just maybe recommend against stacking vers if ur venthyr/doomblade or whatever

since the difference is noticeable

[faint harness]

243 is underrated tho

[gusty mirage]

Shit you’re right

[limber lion]

But wouldn't you want to stack crit/verse as a Venthyr because you get so much haste from the Soulbind tree and Covenant ability?

[onyx wind]

Apparently not no

[balmy condor]

there’s a million different things that affect stats, I’m not going to add a million different recommendations for every combination

[onyx wind]

Sure, just means i get to parse higher B)

[balmy condor]

X>Y>X is already an outdated shit system

[low girder]

Stats: the gear that sims highest for you.

[brave vector]

Them thicc envenoms though boi

[low girder]

all there is to it

[balmy condor]

If you can’t be bothered to sim yourself

[onyx wind]

All jokes aside tho, it probably depends on a lot of things

[balmy condor]

Then obviously you’ll be unoptimized

[gusty mirage]

@stoic needle is that you?

[limber lion]

In the end secondaries are just bunch of blasphemy

[balmy condor]

The stat recommendations aren’t targeting the people like you or me who sim regularly and understand the minutia

[onyx wind]

No, i understand that

[gusty mirage]

I have a good source that says we scale with agi

Imma trust that source

[limber lion]

I'm jealous of people who have the choice at different high ilvl items

[onyx wind]

I just wanted to get my point across since a lot of u bros are playing venthyr/doomblade

[limber lion]

I just pick what I get and stick with it 😦

[onyx wind]

and i wanted to save u guys from vers

[ruby birch]

Sir

[gusty mirage]

That source also tells me to fuck off if I type !bis

[ruby birch]

What about muh pvp

[balmy condor]

I don’t need saving, but thanks for watching out

[gusty mirage]

Just play gloomblade and you’ll be fine

[onyx wind]

any crit gemmers?

crit enchanters?

[ruby birch]

I had people actually curse me for telling them to build rotten before 9.0.5

[limber lion]

I have full crit gems/enchants

🙂

[balmy condor]

Chinese parsers

[onyx wind]

Nice man welcome to the crit club

[balmy condor]

Haste still sims way too high for me

[onyx wind]

Hang your pvp gear on the coatrack

[limber lion]

Crit is my #1 stat, that's why

https://gyazo.com/6d52c82e1ade822b98fd1102bc4e078c?token=b6a08d4ef372c905751b7cb27afe1a54

If Vers was #1, I'd be enchanting and gemming Vers

[gusty mirage]

I’ll wear my pvp gear tyvm

[onyx wind]

Ofc, we all would

im joking around man

[limber lion]

Tbh I just use top gear to sim all gem/enchant values

[gusty mirage]

I ain’t running into boss fights naked

[balmy condor]

Mine are basically that but haste at the top and crit is lower

[limber lion]

And blindly follow what the robot tells me

[onyx wind]

gonna replace my pvp ring when i get a socket

fatty crit inc

[gusty mirage]

I wear what raidbots tells me to wear, hence why I started wearing my huntsman necklace over my 210 spires neck which has “fatty” crit as you put it

[limber lion]

I'm gonna be honest here

[onyx wind]

Wdym, i swap my enchants and gems based on stat weights

I swap them 9 times a day

Somehow everytime i sim another stat is on top!

[limber lion]

I haven't used the Stat Weight sim a single time since BFA. This was the first time in a year

The Stat Weight sim is shit and should not be followed

[balmy condor]

I run plots

[gusty mirage]

I check stat weight to see what personal food I should use :3

[balmy condor]

Wow not even using my pastebin

[limber lion]

You might put on full haste enchants/gems on and suddenly it's the 3rd lowest stat.

Top gear is the shit and ya'll should be using that

[gusty mirage]

It always tells me feast

[limber lion]

Treat yourself to a Raidbots premium subscription

And run all enchant+gem combinations

[gusty mirage]

That’ll get super expensive super quick

[balmy condor]

Well then scroll to the highest non-feast combo

That’s the beauty of a list

[gusty mirage]

I actually use your pastebin constantly, and shared it with my guild

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

That reminds me, I need to finish my theater of pain testing today

[eternal wave]

In p1 Sire, do we just completely ditch AoEing Echoes of Sin?

[balmy condor]

You fok

[limber lion]

Throw a fan out for the boys

But that's it

[balmy condor]

And maybe rupture one if your aoe can’t be fucked to deal with a straggler

[limber lion]

Or be a gamer and take MFD and snipe them

Every gcd Envenom

[eternal wave]

Oooh I like being a gamer

[balmy condor]

(Don’t run mfd)

[eternal wave]

My Envenoms are spaghetti though

(Ofc)

[gusty mirage]

I like spaghetti

[limber lion]

Or how about running Master Assa lege and Hidden Blades

Imagine the burst

[dense hamlet]

run ct and pad on adds

[limber lion]

The boys would be proud

[eternal wave]

Hahah

"But look at my damage!!"

[gusty mirage]

Don’t need damage for the rest of the fight if you pad enough in p1

[dense hamlet]

indeed

[limber lion]

Remember to take full advantage of it by running Elaborate Planning and Nightstalker as well

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

(This advice is not of Ravenholdt or any of its staff, and should not be taken seriously)

[balmy condor]

There’s a lot of decent combo’s

That ain’t one of them

[dense hamlet]

yeah for padding ?

[balmy condor]

[dense hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

Also bribe your priests for PI

Thank me later

[balmy condor]

Great tip

[limber lion]

Wha-haat? But someone told me that MOST of the damage in that fight comes from P1??

And not from P2 and P3

[balmy condor]

Oh no no no

[limber lion]

That's why the mages are so high because they pad in p1

Omg

[gusty mirage]

Also bribe a shaman to lust on p1 for maximum padding

[crimson palm]

@balmy condor can you do 30s no bloodlust aoe sim

[balmy condor]

I forgot that shit existed cev

[gusty mirage]

Don’t need p3 damage if your guild never gets to p3

[balmy condor]

Ha.

[hollow escarp]

just did my first venthyr key, Nadjia is pumping

the outlaw was necro

[limber lion]

Wait

Where's your third dps?

[dense hamlet]

were is the 3rd one

[gusty mirage]

I feel like you’re missing someone on that list

[hollow escarp]

it was a boost

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

[dense hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

Oh, that makes more sense

[limber lion]

Ah there we go

[hollow escarp]

dagger stack

[south cypress]

hello my dudes

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8uaizzzQys3egvK4GkXSZ2
ANY PUMPERS?

[balmy condor]

Wasaaaaaap

[balmy condor]

BRUH SICK DEEPS

[dense hamlet]

fire mage level of bursts

[gusty mirage]

Boost me for a phial so I can afk and go make breakfast

[hollow escarp]

I need to farm Plaguefall myself

[south cypress]

Hey, anyone knows what the steward of the day is? 😛

[gusty mirage]

Okay we rotate afking then

[limber lion]

The flame magicians will never see it coming

[crimson palm]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

that might actually be a play

[reef axle]

What was you talent build for that key 🤔?

[hollow escarp]

mine?

[reef axle]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

SMH not using stone legion for the extra 8.8k dps

[limber lion]

I WAS TROLLING AND FORGOT TO USE MA, BOYS WE CAN STILL IMPROVE IT

[reef axle]

Ahhh ct build nice.

[hollow escarp]

and Nadjia with double potency because I don't have theotar unlocked

ofc

[balmy condor]

Can you tell me your talents can you tell me your stats can you tell me what legendary can you tell me what conduit can you tell me what covenant can you tell me what dungeon that was can you tell me what good dps is for 207.3 ilvl 17% haste 15% crit can you tell me how to file my taxes can you tell me where my dad is can you tell me if I should use a brokerage firm as a sound investment strategy I’m trying to diversify my portfolio can you tell me if the earth is flat can you tell me why I’m bad can you

[hollow escarp]

playing without CT is cringe

[reef axle]

Interesting to see it when fort week comes out lol

[eternal wave]

Also the suggested ST Opener is clearly a lie

[hollow escarp]

pretty excited for Theotar though

[gusty mirage]

Your dad’s grabbing some milk from the store. He’ll be back any day now

[balmy condor]

Perfect thanks

[eternal wave]

It should obviously be Mut > SnD > Mut > Make Coffee > Garrote > Take a nap > Rupt

[limber lion]

yeh just get 34% crit and all of those problems will be fixed, dont need to thank me

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but how much haste do we need to hit the garrote breakpoint?

[limber lion]

also i think you can find good guides for that in youtube

[reef axle]

That time waiting between that second mut and garrotte is just painful

[limber lion]

I usually go brew a coffee and make myself dinner whilst I wait

[south cypress]

11% Haste good or very good?

[hollow escarp]

need 2% more crit to reach the breakpoint, my spec is dead

[eternal wave]

Mastery > 0

Eww

[remote totem]

Guys assa is good for m+ or should go as outlaw?

[eternal wave]

Go Fire

[hollow escarp]

you can play whatever

outlaw is better

[balmy condor]

Outlaw is better but that doesn’t make sin bad

[balmy condor]

Kinda low, but it’ll get better with gear

[gusty mirage]

And you were going to let me run dungeons with you? Wtf man

[hollow escarp]

[shadow helm]

nerf INFEXIOUS RAIN

[dense hamlet]

what rain???

[scarlet sequoia]

the youtuber

[dense hamlet]

the name sounds familiar

[gusty mirage]

Chocolate rain

[hollow escarp]

"stack mastery for m+" guy

[balmy condor]

True

[shadow helm]

this fucking shit hits hard on tyr wreeks

[dense hamlet]

is he raining now

[gusty mirage]

Isn’t that the guy with the highly sus info on rogues?

[hollow escarp]

just cloak bro

he is very influential though

you see a lot of normie rogues quoting him

[balmy condor]

You can tell they’re viewers because they lost too many brain cells and can’t spell “infectious” properly anymore

[gusty mirage]

Imagine playing a rogue and not being in here

[hollow escarp]

you'd be surprised

[gusty mirage]

We’re the coolest class discord by far

[hollow escarp]

with the best TCs

[scarlet sequoia]

debatable

[south cypress]

Big if true

[limber lion]

Yeah or making rogue content on Youtube and not reading the pins

[low girder]

or stiletto stillacco

[gusty mirage]

Large if factual

[hollow escarp]

idk, i've never seen people that entitled here as I did on other class discords

[south cypress]

Yo, can we talk about elitism on the finding group for m0

M0!!!!

[gusty mirage]

I should make a viral video about my SICK subterfuge play where I gimped myself almost 200 dps. Just hit like and subscribe guys

[gentle gyro]

entitled in what sense

[limber lion]

Raz comes in with the slice and dice.

[balmy condor]

Koji is a goat

[dense hamlet]

unleash the beast

[hollow escarp]

like they hold the truth and everybody else is wrong

[balmy condor]

Like baaaaaa

[gusty mirage]

HE DID IT BOYS

[limber lion]

🐐

[hollow escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-chewing-staring-watching-you-threat-gif-11516094

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor goat check?

[gusty mirage]

@dense hamlet you won season 1 of SL. I’m excited to see what you do moving forward

[dense hamlet]

yeah ima go break some dps charts now]

[scarlet sequoia]

tcs dont agree with j p c and infexious kinda cringe

[gusty mirage]

I think jpc is kosher again

[balmy condor]

Jpc unfiltered now don’t have to work your brain muscles trying to dodge

[scarlet sequoia]

disgusting

[balmy condor]

Still a dumbass

[dense hamlet]

[balmy condor]

But not filtered

[gusty mirage]

True

Something about him kinda irritates me and I can’t quite place my finger on it

[balmy condor]

Is it the pure chad energy of a man who looks like a Red Bull fucked a bench press

[hollow escarp]

I miss 8.3 when Sebbek was the top rio rogue stremer

[shadow helm]

i have 40 mast

[gusty mirage]

Honestly.... yeah probably

[balmy condor]

You mean ryfie

[gusty mirage]

I miss morningwind playing his rogue

[scarlet sequoia]

miss when musclebrah was the top m+ rogue

[hollow escarp]

he was best sin

[balmy condor]

Oh true

[hollow escarp]

g1 g2 g3 ...

[balmy condor]

Forgot there’s other specs

[limber lion]

Ew Outlaw streamers

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/Yq1KWt9.png
guess the dungeon

[hollow escarp]

well rank 1 sin is not even on this discord for some reason

[gusty mirage]

I was so sad when morning started playing outlaw in keys for a while. It hurt my soul.

[eternal wave]

The Underrot

[balmy condor]

China Man

[hollow escarp]

wait he is

not china man

zerocool

[balmy condor]

Fucking who

[hollow escarp]

meant rio sorry

[gloomy fern]

imagine china mans logs with ds instead of vigor with 8 pis

[scarlet sequoia]

imagine if he could play the game too

[hollow escarp]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-sl-1/world/rogue/assassination/0#content

he is rank 1 on my realm

so I can't take it

[balmy condor]

Yo in the top 20

I recognize 2 names

[shadow helm]

wat

do hunters want in PF

[gusty mirage]

Yes you can, believe in yourself

[balmy condor]

Isn’t phial good for them too

[hollow escarp]

only need 600 more

[dense hamlet]

oh dont open zerocools rio profile

yikes

[gloomy fern]

hunters want wep for survival reroll

[shadow helm]

🤔

[hollow escarp]

he's a weeb

[shadow helm]

DOUBLE LASHING POG?

[dense hamlet]

well i wish i didnt press the button

[gusty mirage]

If I could push into the top 25 assa rogues on area 52 in BFA, you can in SL. Just gotta grind it out

[hollow escarp]

lol

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Someone doesn’t respect art

[hollow escarp]

that's why he is rank 1

wtf

[dense hamlet]

yeah art

realy sick arts there i see

[hollow escarp]

let's not start weeb/anti-weeb talk here

[balmy condor]

[mossy crown]

is mastery preferred for m+?

[tribal marlin]

everyone here on the Valor farm duty ???
Just kidding

[knotty sparrow]

I was rank 4 sin rogue in SL months ago when no one was playing it. Timed a +7 and it put me in contention for r1

[limber lion]

Yo easy on the flex :''(

[shadow helm]

sadboys

[hollow escarp]

imagine being a gamer

[limber lion]

Sim yourself with Dungeon Slice. Don't think mastery wins Crit/Haste though.

[tribal marlin]

imagine having a life

[scarlet sequoia]

bit like kungen then, did u also quit cus it was boring with 0 competition

[knotty sparrow]

Nah i quit cause I’m a fotm lewzer and went outlaw

Playing it now cause I’m gear capped and I don’t care anymore

[hollow escarp]

outlaw and fotm

[knotty sparrow]

Having fun

[eternal wave]

Hey that was true for like 2 days during Legion launch

[hollow escarp]

outlaw was a meme in legion though

[eternal wave]

Outlaw was a meme till they finally made Roll the Bones make sense

[shadow helm]

arizona iced out boys

[eternal wave]

In Shadowlands

[knotty sparrow]

I wish crimson tempests animation wasn’t so god damn ugly and didn’t sound like garbage

[limber lion]

wtf

[eternal wave]

In what world would a designer think RtB should be a finsiher?

[limber lion]

Crimson Tempest is fucking POG

[knotty sparrow]

It looks silly

[gusty mirage]

I just wish crimson tempest was baseline, but hey man you pick the hill you want to die on

[hollow escarp]

I like the sub one, the new aoe finisher

[limber lion]

You look silly

[shadow helm]

the fuck

[gusty mirage]

[shadow helm]

does that even have an animation

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/llama-mirada-gif-8834856

I’m beautiful

[gusty mirage]

Yeah you throw out your hands and purple stuff happens

[limber lion]

Yeh. Used to be Shuriken Storm copy-pasta but they added the puff of smoke on it before releasing

[knotty sparrow]

Most rogue animations are ugly except for like shadow strike

[tiny ember]

there is only one true beauty

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420717372752658433/819996892112486501/unknown.png

[gusty mirage]

Female undead evis/envenom is best animation, prove me wrong

[knotty sparrow]

Orc male stealth animation looks like I’m doing a booty shake

[gusty mirage]

That’s hot

[knotty sparrow]

Trying to dry my butt with air after using the bidet and we ran out of toilet paper

[gusty mirage]

Lmfao

I’m done for the day

That’s it

[hollow escarp]

I like night elf animations

although male stealth walking animations looks like he shat his pants

[gusty mirage]

What if he did? Are we shaming people for pooping themselves now?

[knotty sparrow]

Female BE animations are dope but the racial sucks

[rich yew]

You guys play mfd + CT on tyr weeks or does any change it up? 😛

[hollow escarp]

yep, that's why I turned him into a female

[hollow escarp]

I always play aoe build on any week

[elfin grail]

hey guys

i cant pick between outlaw and assasin spec
Can you help me out. im new to rogue

[rich yew]

You can play both

[limber lion]

Play Assa

[knotty sparrow]

Do you want to be pirate boy or stabby boy

[elfin grail]

i heard the new patch buffed assasin

[limber lion]

Yes, it's really good. Best ST out of the 3

[elfin grail]

are they preferred spec now?

[limber lion]

Probably preferred raid spec

[hollow escarp]

for raiding probably

[knotty sparrow]

Sin for raids yeah

[limber lion]

Not for m+ though

[knotty sparrow]

Kicking ass on ST fights since 9.0.5 dropped

[hollow escarp]

but many people didn't craft sin legendaries yet so they still play outlaw

I suppose

[tribal marlin]

what about venthyr animation in general

[knotty sparrow]

Flagellation is pretty cool your weapons glow all red

[elfin grail]

is assasin bad to m+ with?

[hollow escarp]

no

[knotty sparrow]

Not bad just not as good as outlaw

[elfin grail]

did outlaw get any buff or nerf?

i dont remember seeing it lol

[balmy condor]

No

[hollow escarp]

necro outlaw looks nice though

[gusty mirage]

The cto conduit/rtb thing I guess could be considered a buff via bug fix

[dense hamlet]

it still exists if u have more than 1 cto buff

[elfin grail]

so do i just change specs for either raids or m+

[hollow escarp]

imagine getting nerfed when they bugfix your class

[shadow helm]

MONK JAB?

[gusty mirage]

Oh rip. I’ve done like 2 keys this week. Ran out of conduit energy great system ty blizz

[knotty sparrow]

I never liked outlaw but I played it for so long. I always hated stupid lame pistols from the 16th century

Boom bang like we’re in a bugs bunny cartoon

[shadow helm]

??

[elfin grail]

i was hoping sin was able to aoe well like outlaw

[shadow helm]

pistols are cool

[dense hamlet]

atleast they tried u know

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah gimme a fookin glock m8 what is this blunderbuss nonsense

[limber lion]

Am I a poo-poo head for using my sockets on the 226 Huntsman neck and 226 Crit/Mastery ring?

Because I feel like a bit of a poo-poo head

I did it the second I got to exalted, like 3-4 weeks ago

And just thought "fuck it, I'm not coming back here"

[hollow escarp]

I slammed a socket on 223 neck

[limber lion]

But thinking about it the neck is fucking awful

[hollow escarp]

crit vers

[elfin grail]

if i want to do both raid and m+ on one spec which should i choose?

[limber lion]

Assa

[hollow escarp]

both are fine on both

[pliant apex]

would going from zero to 4 sockets be a huge dps gain??

[hollow escarp]

and sub in pvp

[pliant apex]

or maginal?

[limber lion]

Do keep in mind that this is the Assa-channel, so most of us tend to lean toward Assa a bit more.

[elfin grail]

true

[limber lion]

But yeah like Kojack said, they're both fine on both content.

Assa loses value in lower keys though

[elfin grail]

is it hard to find lfg for rogue

[limber lion]

So if you want to do good with Assa, you should be aiming to do higher keys.

[molten flicker]

yes

[elfin grail]

damn

[limber lion]

No.

[dense hamlet]

its realy not tho

[pliant apex]

would getting 4 sockets on gear from 0 currently be big dps gain bud?

[limber lion]

No, it's quite small

[molten flicker]

it's really hard to get invites

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/evie-fight-assassins-creed-frye-gif-9830931

[limber lion]

I've never had any issues with getting invites

[pliant apex]

oh dam ty

[knotty sparrow]

Sin rogues

[dense hamlet]

i dont feel like im not getting invited

idk

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-gun-yosemite-sam-looney-tunes-bigger-gun-gif-17676404

Outlaw rogues

[dense hamlet]

okay bro

[hollow escarp]

I've been asked a few times if I can play outlaw on keys

but didn't get rejected because of sin

[pliant apex]

good players always invited, however i think ig youre an average sin player, like most wow players, its hard

[knotty sparrow]

Tell em u don’t want to hunt rabbits

[pliant apex]

ppl like cev can get in anywhere tbh

[molten flicker]

not on account of spec, just on account of rogues not being boomer

[limber lion]

I got rejected once by a Warlock who was 300 r.io below me. Fucking kappa

He invited me, then went to check my spec/gear/talents and noticed I was Assa and kicked me

[hollow escarp]

reminded me that I applied to a guild and a survival hunter officer told me they don't need rogues

[pliant apex]

happens all the time with me

but them im also a shit player lol

[shadow helm]

wabits

[terse ice]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[molten flicker]

I'm 223 ilvl, 10/10 hc 1400 rio and I get invited to maybe 1/30 groups

probably less

[knotty sparrow]

Make your own keys man

[outer siren]

"I DoNt WaNt To HuNt wAbBitZ"

[molten flicker]

I'm not complaining, just illustrating the answer to the question above

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah MA KS goes brrrr but you still got a wabbit hunting gun and a goofy cowboy hat on

[limber lion]

And what kind of keys do you apply to?

I only apply to keys that are +1 or +2 upgrades for me and it usually takes me 5-10 tries to find a key like that

[molten flicker]

atm +14-15s

so defo downgrades

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/yee-haw-yeehaw-cowboy-giddty-up-gif-14592671

Outlaw rogues

[dense hamlet]

[molten flicker]

lately I've resigned to just do my own key to try to reroll it into the dungeons I want to run 😄

[gentle gyro]

lmao I don't even get invited to keys I already completed

[shadow helm]

no invite for u

if ur no hunter boomy or mage

or if ur applying to a guy wanting to be carried

[tribal marlin]

My DK that have 205 ilvl and that already sucessfully finished 15 keys above 5k overall dps get declined in +7 keys

[oblique flare]

ye, no one wants rogues, though lately after being venthyr, i have a good time getting into SD and HoAs

[knotty sparrow]

Play outlaw and invite a boomy mage and veng DH

[limber lion]

Maybe I'm just not as impatient and I'm actually applying to 50 groups and just don't realize it

[tribal marlin]

He was on a different account and when I transfered it, somehow rio data got lost, I'm linking people my Cutting Edge achievement from 2 months ago, and they call me a boosted lier >.<

can you imagine

[dense hamlet]

if they had braincells they would want rogues

[limber lion]

Premade group filter addon helps a lot. I just specify what dungeon and what roles I want to see then I apply to every group that I see pop up in LFG

Don't need to scroll through the list and find what dungeon I want to do

Whenever one pops up, I queue for it

[molten flicker]

you know no addon setup also has search functionality, right?

[gentle gyro]

i even look whether they already have br / bl lol

[shadow helm]

unnerf drums

[limber lion]

You cannot specify that the groups have only 0-2 dps

[dense hamlet]

i apply to dungeons that dont have a dps slot
i did that the other they for halls and they allready had a rogue but they literally kicked the guy for venthyr buffs

it happens alot in lfg

[limber lion]

And you cannot specify that "okay I want to see Sanguine Depths, Mists, DoS and Plaguefall"

You can only see one of them

You can also filter the traders and blacklist terms like "WTS"

[knotty sparrow]

We went from ass rogues to sin rogues with 9.0.5

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-nerd-gif-20692159

Meanwhile outlaw rogues:

[wind nacelle]

7 MoT

1 item

Useless shit trinket

[dense hamlet]

tbf outlaw had pretty good gains with 9.0.5 aswell with necro

[wind nacelle]

4PF, 0 drops, great stuff

[onyx wind]

Dont worry man

Its gonna drop at some point

Weve all been there

[knotty sparrow]

How much longer is the tier do you guys think

[onyx wind]

Few months

[wind nacelle]

July I guess

[split veldt]

i thought the xp missions were supposed to be buffed

[stoic needle]

Try doing a campaign mission

I had to do that before I saw the buffed ones

[split veldt]

ive done 2-3

[onyx wind]

same, mine are also unchanged

after campaign aswell

[stoic needle]

Weird

[onyx wind]

might be cause they scale higher now?

[stoic needle]

I get 1800xp missions now

[onyx wind]

so u need higher level followers ?

[lilac palm]

Newb question but do you crimson tempest single target to keep the bleed up?

[split veldt]

yes

[balmy condor]

yep

[split veldt]

I BEAT YOU WHISPYR

[lilac palm]

lol second newb question recuperate conduit does that work when you cast SND or just throughout snd uptime

[balmy condor]

snd uptime

[split veldt]

damn i was too slow

[lilac palm]

haha thank you friends

[split veldt]

[limber lion]

np

[onyx wind]

+350 simdps after phial and renown 30

we innit

7k approaching

[limber lion]

I'm so close but so far away from 7k

I'm 6.9k but my gear is already pretty decent that it's really hard to find improvements.

[split veldt]

ill be close once i finish some valor side grades worth about 130 dps total, doomblade to rank 4 and 213 condiot

[onyx wind]

Sire helm will put me at 7k

But its far away

Can prob get 6950~ without sire gear

we will make it

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/stocks-only-go-up-sogu-hulk-penis-stonks-v-shape-recovery-gif-18971989

[limber lion]

Is the bis sim at around 7.3k? @balmy condor

Or is that 7232 ST sim in the pin the highest you've got?

Because I heard Mystler say something about 7350

[patent topaz]

out of curiosity, how much is the difference between zoldyck and doomblade at <35% hp

[limber lion]

For my profile it's around 270 dps for Zoldyck, in a 2 minute execute sim.

[onyx wind]

around that yes

7330-7350 is what i generally see

[molten compass]

hi guys, with deeper you use finishers at 4-6 or 5-6cp ?

[onyx wind]

think it mostly depends on what you define as "bis"

for ur profile

[echo crane]

yo is assassin good for M+ or should i just go outlaw if i want to push keys

[onyx wind]

outlaw for push probably

but if u like assa u can prob make it work

[limber lion]

What is there to define? If it's comparing two 5min patchwork sims, obviously the one which does more damage is better. The combination/sim that does the most damage is bis.

[hexed glen]

Anybody else having issues with simming legendarys? When I add them to my top gear I keep getting the red error of "unable to generate a combination with this item"

[limber lion]

But yeah alright

[onyx wind]

Yea but

[balmy condor]

lemme check real quick

[onyx wind]

Some people think thats subjective

[balmy condor]

did you select an off-piece for the current legendary

[echo crane]

is venthyr decent for outlaw or should i go necro/kyrian

[onyx wind]

its decent

but if u wanna main OL i think most people go necro

[hexed glen]

@balmy condor thanks, im pepga ❤️

[echo crane]

how different is necro from venthyr for sin?

[onyx wind]

it depends on how min/max u are

if u are a top level minmaxer, the difference is big

[sleek sparrow]

did a 15 as sin instead of outaw, was real weird

[onyx wind]

yea sin feels so weird to play on tyrannical

cant wait to test it on fortified

[sleek sparrow]

yeah

i was with a mage and hunter too

so packs just melted

[onyx wind]

XD

yea i feel u

[onyx wind]

Also, i think some sims dont include BoE's on purpose?

[sleek sparrow]

top on all the bosses atleast

[onyx wind]

Yea same here, we pump so hard

especially with zoldyck

[limber lion]

I'm talking about literal bis gear.

[onyx wind]

the execute is so nice

[limber lion]

Not some random bloke's definition of "bis"

[onyx wind]

Yea i know, im just saying

[balmy condor]

well all the bis sheets in here for example don't include pvp and boe's

so

[onyx wind]

Think the sites dont include those either

They hit around 7330~~

[limber lion]

But I wanna know the literal bis 😦

[balmy condor]

not like the pvp stuff is an upgrade though

[limber lion]

:''(

[balmy condor]

just loot all the bis dungeon stuff out of the vault at 226

then you never need to pvp

[onyx wind]

Can check char profiles on bloodmallet/herodamage @limber lion

But those include looting vault stuff

[balmy condor]

the bloodmallet stuff hits 7330?

[onyx wind]

herodamage aswell yea

[balmy condor]

oh

well then there's your answer @limber lion

[onyx wind]

They actually both hit 7339 exactly

[balmy condor]

herodamage and bloodmallet use my profile

[onyx wind]

stuff such as BoE wrists and feet prob are better if included right?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I wanted to see the highest ST sim, I guess I'll settle for 7339

[balmy condor]

I can throw boe's in

[limber lion]

Gonna just vault all of the items, ez

Is there actually BoE's that are worth buying?

[slender trail]

whisp, any plans to rerun single target comparisons once sbs adjustments are in (which may already be in)? I also heard the fixes may put the necro cov conduit on the map, so they may require that, similar to how venth is simmed with lashing

[shadow helm]

crit haste booties

[onyx wind]

Just get them on trash

[limber lion]

Or to clarify BoE's that actually are an improvement to 226 Vault items?

[balmy condor]

yes.

[onyx wind]

My guess would be boots atleast

But the upgrades from council to those are prob

very small

Idk if there are any good vault bracers, but stats on artificer bracers are a bit poopy

[sleek sparrow]

boe bracers are haste vers

[woven needle]

oh snap whisp is gonna stream

[mossy crown]

can someone please clarify the stat prio for m+? icyviens is saying it is haste>crit>vers>mastery.

[shadow helm]

necrotic wake bracers is haste vers

[balmy condor]

yup

@limber lion sim is running now, but It's also gems, so uhhhhhhh, might take a while

[limber lion]

Ï wonder if he's gonna do a face reveal????

[limber lion]

❤️

[balmy condor]

[gentle gyro]

[balmy condor]

my face is actually in the pins already

[mossy crown]

is that correct? I thought mastery is prio

[balmy condor]

lawd no

[woven needle]

not gonna lie i cannot get a grasp on mythic plus in sin

[balmy condor]

mastery is a poop stat

[gentle gyro]

@stoic needle people are spreading lies

[balmy condor]

mastery gets better in aoe, yes

but it doesn't become good

it's just, okay

not awful

but it's fine

[onyx wind]

its poopy (fine)

[balmy condor]

secondaries are all shit

[woven needle]

can confirm whisp is too nice

[gentle gyro]

[woven needle]

cant be mean

[balmy condor]

like lets get real

[limber lion]

[storm forum]

"if you're not haste I don't want you"

[balmy condor]

worrying about secondary stats

in this economy

smh

[limber lion]

I guess you haven't spent much time on here because Whispy gets a little spicy every now and again

[balmy condor]

[woven needle]

been here a long time...paid attention very little

[balmy condor]

no no, he's right

I'm the nicest

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

never ever yelled at anyone

[heavy skiff]

Just ask him how we scale

[storm forum]

Whispyr how do we scale?

[balmy condor]

just release a patch and bring the monkeys in

you'll see

calm as a cucumber

[storm forum]

when the cucumber is being used to inflict blunt force trauma?

[woven needle]

jesus

gonna just go back to working on finding a phial

[limber lion]

Just get it. It's that simple

🙂

[woven needle]

i lost the roll last night on one

[balmy condor]

just pull it out of your vault

[limber lion]

Ouch

[woven needle]

god why didnt i think of that

[storm forum]

is it wrong that I wanna take a screenshot of my 226 phial just to post it every time someone says anything about farming it?

[woven needle]

idk

[odd hazel]

[woven needle]

i could post all my weapons

and piss lots of people off

[limber lion]

Yo

That's kinda fucking disgusting

[balmy condor]

Screen Captured

[woven needle]

ive had 2 guildmates block me over weapon links so far

[grim hawk]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[woven needle]

but my trinkets are shit

[balmy condor]

what about this

[heavy skiff]

Its still going?

[balmy condor]

naturally

yes

gem sims

[limber lion]

High precision and 464 combinations? jeez

[balmy condor]

also an 11mil iteration sim

btw

[storm forum]

do the gem/enchant sims ever not prioritize haste?

[limber lion]

ok.

[balmy condor]

it's uh

it's pain

[balmy condor]

yeah

[red turtle]

!bis

[heavy skiff]

Are sim streams u just waiting for 2h for every sim?

[balmy condor]

nah cause I have many tabs :D

[limber lion]

Except that he has 8-10 of those rolling at the same time

[balmy condor]

also the pins are much much faster to sim

it's more quantity of the sims themselves

not the quantity contained within each sim

and double checking everything

and knowing what you're looking at

which can be difficult sometimes

when you have like 35 tabs of raidbots open

[limber lion]

Sounds like a lot of work. How much were you getting paid for this again?

[balmy condor]

I also need to do some sims for seli and then some APL stuff

[balmy condor]

[eternal wave]

Your real name isn't Whispyr

pepeWtf

[balmy condor]

yeh imagine that

[limber lion]

God damn, you must be drowning in dough

[balmy condor]

I'm also not a cute anime girl

[eternal wave]

Ok now I actually feel jebaited

[limber lion]

But you would be cute if you looked like that irl 😊 not that im interested or anything haha... unless?

[balmy condor]

I think it actually comes out to like 2-2.50 an hour

if we're counting stream time

[limber lion]

More than I've made this whole year. Your boy is just raking in the student loans.

But yeah. Any plans to stream fulltime if you get more traction?

[fluid blaze]

for those who clear Mythic SLG which spec is best atm? outlaw or sin?

[balmy condor]

perhaps, yeah, but It's not something I'm working towards or anything

I don't even have a schedule

[limber lion]

Outlaw

[limber lion]

Yeah makes sense.

[fluid blaze]

okok and Sin is better on Sire ? wit the execute lego?

[limber lion]

Yes, sir.

[fluid blaze]

thats it thanks my man

[balmy condor]

like on tuesday I streamed and was like "should be able to stream wednesday and friday"

[woven needle]

whichever you are better at playing

[balmy condor]

and then just didn't have time

[woven needle]

is gonna be more dps

[balmy condor]

and now it's saturday

[fluid blaze]

IM GOD AT BOTH

[balmy condor]

no one sent me an angry dm asking where stream though so we're vibing

[woven needle]

wheres stream

[signal gulch]

[balmy condor]

that's what I'm saying

[limber lion]

Welp when you're a fully established streamer, you can just leave everything else behind and focus on streaming. Who goes to school, meets friends, has a social life or does anything else in life anyways if they can just stream all day, every day?

[balmy condor]

I'll do a 24 hour stream

and just stream me answering the same 5 questions in discord

[woven needle]

i dont know if i could stream everyday

[limber lion]

Good shit

[woven needle]

i enjoy my job and going to work lol

[manic harness]

Lmao

Is assassination good in 905?

What's better

[balmy condor]

yo 🕙

it's fucking time

[manic harness]

Outlaw or ass

[balmy condor]

for this gem sim

to finish it's fucking thing

[woven needle]

stream it or fake

[limber lion]

A lot of people enjoy having a proper schedule and enjoy developing daily habits around their life.

[limber lion]

Hell yeah let's go boys

[woven needle]

yeah but i get to build race cars

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

I can get to 7311

[limber lion]

Ok that's pretty sick ngl

[balmy condor]

not sure how they're getting more

[uneven plume]

Work? I get almost 1k a week for free from the government 😊

[balmy condor]

but I guess their error is also like 15

[uneven plume]

I get payed to play WoW and reinvest into the market

[balmy condor]

so we'll call it margin

[limber lion]

Hmm yeah makes sense.

Can you dm me the sim?

[balmy condor]

no cause that would expose many secrets

[woven needle]

how tf can you get to 7311

[limber lion]

Yeah that's true, gotta be careful that the Warlock-boys don't get their hands on our TC secrets

[manic harness]

I'm at 6300 lol...where the f do you get an extra thousand dps?

[balmy condor]

being 229 ilvl helps

[manic harness]

I'm 222 lmao

[woven needle]

221 - 6500

[manic harness]

1000 dps in 7 ilvl? Shhhiiiit

[balmy condor]

we scale with agi

I've always said this

[manic harness]

I thought I wasn't supposed to say the s word :(

[balmy condor]

but like actually dps gain per ilvl is exponential

[limber lion]

233 weapons also help quite a bit.

[gusty mirage]

its acceptable with agi

[manic harness]

Hmm

[gusty mirage]

everyone scales with primary stat 🙂

[balmy condor]

the difference from 220->230 is larger than the difference from 210->220

[limber lion]

The difference between a 221 ilvl and 226 ilvl is huge

[limber lion]

^

[manic harness]

I guess I could see that

Do you think it works similarly for most other classes?

[balmy condor]

it's also 6 sockets and double 233 weapons and a 233 dreadfire

[limber lion]

You probably won't ever have 229 ilvl, so it's unrealistic to even compare yourself to it

[balmy condor]

yes

that's just a baseline of how gearing works

[woven needle]

233 weapons? pvp?

[balmy condor]

sire

[limber lion]

Requires 4 items from Mythic Sire, 2 items from Mythic SLG. And ya'll know how fucking rare item drops in the raid are

[gusty mirage]

or sire

[manic harness]

Mythic Sire has 233 weps

[woven needle]

yeah we on inverva

[limber lion]

Like it's not happening.

[woven needle]

i aint close to that

[balmy condor]

actually 5 from sire

[manic cipher]

Assass buffs decent are nah? Been waiting to level my rogue for assass to come back

[limber lion]

Not sure which is more realistic, 233 weapon from Sire or 233 weapon from PvP

[gusty mirage]

believe in the power of the great vault

[balmy condor]

yes, it's good

[uneven plume]

Might as well keep doing venari rep ass well

As*

[manic cipher]

How about pvp?

[uneven plume]

Ain’t no body getting the 226 cto lmaooo

[woven needle]

i need to work on pvp rating

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, rip boys

[soft shale]

lashing scars is big stonks

[woven needle]

whisp where this stream at tho

[balmy condor]

here's a step by step list on how to obtain bis:
do venari every day and roll for 226 lashing
kill mythic sire on farm, loot the ring, trinket, 2 weapons, and the helm
kill mythic slg as well, loot the cloak and the shoulders
venari gem the ring and the helm
craft a 235 doomblade
high roll pull a phial, as well as all the other slots, at 226, from your vault
venari socket it all

congrats

[woven needle]

or

[balmy condor]

you now have bis

[gusty mirage]

there ya go boys

[woven needle]

have fun with the game

[gusty mirage]

do that and you win tier 1

[balmy condor]

for like

2 weeks

and then you gotta start over

cause next tier

I think it's theoretically possible if you get funneled on slg/sire and have insane vault rng

[static wadi]

btw why is my quantum device simming lower then hateful chain?

[balmy condor]

cause chain is pog

[thorn turtle]

do u take zold for SLG?

[static wadi]

rly ? then i just wasted 800 valor points lol

[balmy condor]

well I was just doing a resim of bis for cev, now I make breakfast and then stream :)

[balmy condor]

imagine not simming first

[tribal marlin]

you can get theim in the weekly chest as well

[limber lion]

I like to consider myself a bit of a degenerate when it comes to gearing, but 5 items from Sire is just something that's not happening. I can do daily Maw (even though I fucking despise it) if need be, but getting gear from those bosses is just imba

[gusty mirage]

imagine getting useful stuff from the vault, cheater

[balmy condor]

yeah but realistically you don't have the time to be pulling non-dungeon loot out of the vault

[limber lion]

I can grind hours upon hours, but can't exactly grind great vault/mythic bosses.

[balmy condor]

you gotta be looting all the raid stuff you can, and then vaulting the dungeon stuff

[limber lion]

Just gotta let the RNGesus take the wheel and pray for the best

[balmy condor]

if you want to ever have a shot at bis

[static wadi]

can i somehow sim it for ilvl 220 ?

[tribal marlin]

hahaha that's somehow true

[gusty mirage]

probably with gear compare if you put in the pieces manually

[limber lion]

You can use Droptimizer in Raidbots

[balmy condor]

droptimizer exists

and is good

and should be used

[gusty mirage]

^

[limber lion]

Too bad it's for subscribers only

[gusty mirage]

I'm going to make covfefe and get ready for this whispyr stream

[tribal marlin]

I think I took more items from Raid vault than from Dung vault actually

[limber lion]

Imagine not being subscribed to Raidbots though

[heavy trout]

or run quick sim / local simc, append ,ilevel=220 to your trinket line.

[limber lion]

I think I've only ever taken dungeon items from the vault, but then again I'm in a pretty slow progression guild and we've yet to kill SLG/Sire.

Can't get mythic items from the vault if you're never reclearing

[woven needle]

i took a 220 socket sire helm

[tribal marlin]

Unfortunately there is like, everyone and their respective grand mothers that want most of Sire/SLG items such as weapon, cloak, trinkets and rings 😦

[balmy condor]

koji malding

[balmy condor]

yeah but just loot it, it's 233, personal loot sorry ilvl can't trade

[tribal marlin]

hahaha yeah but i'm a good guy yn :3

I'm a simple man, I see a big number like 233 and clik

[limber lion]

Good guy or not, can't trade an item at 233 if you've never had an item in that slot.

[stoic needle]

Can't get any mythic loot at all if you don't have a guild

Jk I have a trial tonight

[tribal marlin]

haha yeah, but I mean I'd rather take that 233 wep off the weekly chest to be able to trade some to my friends 😄

[woven needle]

with who osho

[limber lion]

Ah yeah that's true makes sense

[tribal marlin]

I would have taken 233 heraldry even if it's a shit trinket for assa

[stoic needle]

Am I inting if I run doomblade on SKS? Should I swap to sub even though my gear is total trash for it?

[tribal marlin]

but I got 233 sire's one on our first kill so

[stoic needle]

Just some random 3/10m guild

[balmy condor]

probably not, shield/vanq damage or bust

all the small rubbish dies to random boomy/fire/mm cleave

[woven needle]

man id like to get in on a sire kill

idk if my guild will get there

[stoic needle]

Yeah I feel like I could do some solid shield damage even if it's not as bursty as sub

Hold vendetta for the shields

[tribal marlin]

I remember our SKS progression and surprisingly we did not have trouble pushing the shields, but what was a problem somehow was pushing the boss fast enough such that he does not cast a 3rd shield

Such that, at the end what ended up really matter was the overall dps we did during this entiere phase, while still droping potent ST cooldown on shields. And that's where some of us start droping CD off shields to be able to do twice

[royal lantern]

the thing i remember from SKS was "oh no, convoke did all spells into the phoenix xdddddddd convoke is so cool"

fuck convoke

[tribal marlin]

But I think that's not a thing anymore

[tribal marlin]

we had a feral druid ^^

That kind of kitty who bites you if you touch him :/

[stoic needle]

I think maybe I should go double potency nadjia instead of dauntless for wps

Has anyone tried dauntless on SKS? Would it end up on kael the whole time

Idk

I guess that isn't a bad thing

[gusty mirage]

good luck my friend, you got this

[stoic needle]

[tribal marlin]

have no idea how it end up working

[gusty mirage]

You're essentially worried about the shield on sun king

everything else is just there

[stoic needle]

Yeah

[tribal marlin]

But I don't know, I'm not sure todays' progression on SKS is the same as ours back then

[stoic needle]

True

[tribal marlin]

like if you struggle on SKS today, it's 100% not because of dps

[gentle gyro]

now that my mists grind is over, time to go plageufall

[tribal marlin]

or if it is, your guys are like trolling and poping everything on P1

[stoic needle]

Good luck man

You're gonna need it

[gusty mirage]

make sure you tell your raid that they changed how hymn works for the holy priests if they're going that route

[gentle gyro]

i mean there are 3 items in there that i can use

so chances are i get sth eventually

[gusty mirage]

I zoned out when my friend was telling me about it, but they changed something about the hymn

[gentle gyro]

also ty

[gusty mirage]

which caused us some wipes on the healing shield portion

[stoic needle]

I've gotten the gloves and Phial but I still need the ring cape and boots

[gentle gyro]

hymn now stacks a healing buff

[gusty mirage]

that's probably it

[gentle gyro]

it was instant 10% before, now it's 4% every tick, up to 20

[gusty mirage]

sounds right

[static wadi]

Asking for a friend. When do you use the quantum device in the rotation?

[gentle gyro]

which lasts for i think 15s after hymn ends

which is nuts

[tribal marlin]

Phial and Azur-venom are the only potent upgrade I can get from 226 dungeons items

[stoic needle]

So should I not vendetta the Executioner dude at the beginning and save it for the shield? Or is it safe to use it and it'll be up again in time

[gusty mirage]

on pull, and get the weak aura that lets you better predict what its going to do

[tribal marlin]

but I'm like ... soooo much lazy to grind the 10 dungeons

[gusty mirage]

and don't click it unless its stats or execute damage

[static wadi]

@gusty mirage i mean it gets me out of stealth

[gusty mirage]

you can do it after you open or do it before the count down ends

[tribal marlin]

Azur-Venom choker is a very good item btw, if you ever see it in your chest, please please please take it over something else

[gusty mirage]

207 choker gang 😦

[tribal marlin]

It's by far better than most other neck

[stoic needle]

Is it really better than sin stained pendant

It doesn't sim better for me

[gusty mirage]

it gives a ton of crit + a good amount of vers

[knotty sparrow]

Duelist vers haste gang check in

[tribal marlin]

you might have some crit rings right ?

Crit mastery ring ?

[stoic needle]

Yeah I have the top one at 226 and the SD one at 220, crit haste and crit vers

[tribal marlin]

yeah that's why

[stoic needle]

I see

[tribal marlin]

but Inerva ring is better

[stoic needle]

Yeah, I want it so bad

[knotty sparrow]

I’m jelly of having crit gear I’m sitting over here with 1200 vers

[tribal marlin]

everyone, their grand parent and childrens, wants inerva ring 😦

[stoic needle]

I have 26% crit now

[knotty sparrow]

18% crit 18% haste 30% vers

[limber lion]

You guys don't have 226 Inerva rings with sockets? what are you, plebs?

Come on boys, step it up

[tribal marlin]

Like we killed inerva so many times, and yet some people still roll +1 BiS on inerva rings xD

[stoic needle]

Am I wasting stygia if I socket my 220 valor gear? Should I just save it for 226 vault stuff?

[knotty sparrow]

My guild is 10/10M rank 286 in the world but I don’t raid with them 😩

[tribal marlin]

damn so much guild killed sire these day 😦

[gusty mirage]

at this point, I wouldn't worry about it

next tier we get a new currency for it all

[stoic needle]

[tribal marlin]

idk man

[stoic needle]

I guess I would be salty if I socketed something just to get it again in the vault at 226

[knotty sparrow]

I’ve spent like 10k stygia on conduits

Still 200 well placed steel

[tribal marlin]

I wasted 7200 stygia on my new ring (crit haste one from DJ, 226) but I know if I get my hands on Azur venom I would like to get Sire one's as well

so

I won't socket 220 gear tbh

[oblique flare]

when you cleared +16s and get declined for +14/15s

[tribal marlin]

but if you're still progressing the raid and don't mind doing Maw daylies then go

[stoic needle]

Ngl what I really want right now is 226 shriekwing pants

[tribal marlin]

There are better pants in dungeons

[knotty sparrow]

I’ve passed on shriek pants so much

[gusty mirage]

got denied from a 10 earlier don't feel bad

[stoic needle]

To go with my doomblade

[tribal marlin]

I don't remember which one but it has more crit and less mastery

https://i.imgur.com/OWKy1Kg.png

this one

[stoic needle]

I haven't seen any pants in the vault in a long time sadly

[tribal marlin]

no

not this one