assassination

[teal bloom]

If I don't know the exact fight length or if I lose a cast by lining it up with vendetta, the right way to use Sepsis is always with Shiv (especially with WPS), right? I sometimes have to delay it a bit but it 34% extra damage and the grove invigoration stacks make envenoms a bit bigger during the Shiv window

[limber lion]

If you look at the hunter, he parsed a 79 and did 400 dps less.

[stoic needle]

Only 6k dps with pi

[bronze forum]

Hi, was readying wowhead rotation guide and I was wondering: I don't run subterfuge in ST, do I still garrote from stealth, do I Ambush or do I just mutilate? Starting from 0-1 cp

[limber lion]

Less damage and higher parse = less potential overall damage

[icy crater]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[stoic needle]

Apparently it's okay to hold shiv for up to 12 seconds to sync with sepsis

[icy crater]

the sepsis boom right?

[limber lion]

I'm simming 6872 dps atm reee I want 7k

[odd hazel]

i wish i went venthyr instead of necro ( im outlaw ). gonna see if its worth going sin with necro for ST/2 cleave.

[limber lion]

It empowers the whole Sepsis, not just the boom

[icy crater]

I mean holding it for the boom

[stoic needle]

It hits pretty hard with shiv, like 8-10k

[bronze forum]

Well, thanks for that, I didn't know that comand existed

[stoic needle]

If you shiv immediately after sepsis the bonk will be shivved

[limber lion]

No he meant that if your Shiv comes off cooldown, but your Sepsis still has a 10s cooldown, you would hold Shiv.

[limber lion]

@ this

You just immediately use it after Sepsis

[icy crater]

ye

ok

[limber lion]

God I can't type to save my life

[icy crater]

I was checking my logs because my parses were like a dog was playing my char

[onyx wind]

we did it brothas

[pulsar sluice]

so waht fight besides sun king is sin bad at

[teal bloom]

so if my Sepsis has 12 sec till I can use it when my shiv comes off cd, it would be better to delay shiv instead of casting shiv and delaying sepsis a bit?

[pulsar sluice]

slg?

[icy crater]

but the only thing I found was my shiv casts were behind af

[limber lion]

Ye because SLG requires burst damage and Sin has literally 0 aoe burst.

[icy crater]

I also lost a vendetta cast on a boss because I held for BL

[limber lion]

If you have a team that can do all the commando shields and deal with the adds, then Assa is a huge fucking contender

[onyx wind]

can u guys say gz or smth man

[limber lion]

The execute in P3 is fucking huge

[icy haven]

+9 PF..... why man why

[limber lion]

Grats

Big pog

[pulsar sluice]

oof

[gentle gyro]

Cringe

[pulsar sluice]

why do they my boy like that

[north basin]

so when u have boss and 1 add near him, its not enuf to apply garrote and rupture on add. we need also to cast 1 muti to benefit from energy gain right?

[icy crater]

Just know that guy will literally be a dumpster for the rest of his time playing wow

[limber lion]

I got kicked from a +18 PF as well because I was Assa. Funny thing is that I was 200 r.io higher than the leader

[stoic needle]

Disgusting

[limber lion]

And he was playing fucking Demo Warlock

kek

[pulsar sluice]

its alright

once sin gets featured on wowhead news people will wake up from the meme

[odd hazel]

people are always gonna be on the meta outlaw M+. sin can perform fine if not better this week due to affixes

[thorny pond]

Takes forever for the morons to see what's good and what's trash

[icy haven]

im not going to give in to the OL hypeboys 😄

[odd hazel]

OL hypeboys--- what

[thorny pond]

Feral could be 400% better than boomkin and you'll still get sat for a whole patch because perception

[stoic needle]

You may get it from just tabbing over to apply gar, but mut to be safe

[icy haven]

the people that dont play rogue and think we all should OL

[odd hazel]

i mean, we are stupidly good in M+, so its a little meta blind then anything

"meta"

if you arent shit you can perform with anything tbh

[north basin]

whispyr said u need to muti offtarget, just applying garrote+rupture not enuf, is it 100% working strategy?

to gain 8 energy

[pulsar sluice]

outlaw is kinda brain dead in keys tbh

[thorny pond]

Low key have been putting ruptuer on the new necro DH add and pisisng off the tank

[odd hazel]

tbh, i wish i enjoyed sin more. but i enjoy the pace of outlaw.

[stoic needle]

When you tab target you will auto attack it which has a chance of proccing poison, but you should be mut to be 100% sure

[icy haven]

opposite for me, eversince they changed it ive hated it D:

[odd hazel]

they didnt change much for Outlaw.

[north basin]

why fok doesnt apply poison. seems so natural for this.

[limber lion]

It does

It's just a shitty low rate

[north basin]

so i will just muti oftarget .

[limber lion]

Mutilate attacks with both hands so you have 50%^2 chance to poison

But with FoK it's just 50%

[north basin]

bad design i say

xD

too many buttons for regular aoe

[onyx wind]

wasnt there a time when fok was 100% poison proc rate?

[teal bloom]

Still about sepsis/shiv. So it's better to delay shiv for 12 seconds for Sepsis than delay sepsis 13 seconds for shiv? In situation where Shiv is of cd and Sepsis has 12 cd remaining

[pulsar sluice]

but u see what i mean tho right like the logs dont lie im clearly outdpsing people getting pi @stoic needle

[thorny pond]

If I am throwing 8* knives all with poison at 3 targets all 3 should get my poison damnit

[limber lion]

Yeah and that caused FoK to be used as a main ST generator instead of Mutilate

It was a bit dumb lmao

[pulsar sluice]

btw what should i use on inerva, i was using doomblade for half the raid night and then went zold to help with add dmg

[final star]

That was during nighthold iirc

[pulsar sluice]

but add dmg isn't as important right?

[limber lion]

You want to line them up regardless, so if you have to delay Sepsis, so be it. As long as you don't miss out on a cast of Sepsis during the fight, then it's gucci

You just need to plan out your cooldowns

Before pressing Shiv, thing about your cooldowns and what happens for the next 15s+

[ionic kelp]

all you need to do is focus boss, cause a lot of strats rely on skipping add timers

[limber lion]

Just run Doomblade. Adds usually just get cleaved on Inerva.

[ionic kelp]

you should have your range/dks/warriors cleave adds when they are stacked

[leaden hawk]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[strange python]

Tried MA on a practice dummy. The burst us nuts.

[teal bloom]

Hmm ok. This Sepsis/shiv thing probably isn't the most important thing that I need to improve at but it's very complicated because it is not just about Shiv/Sepsis but there's also Vendetta in the equation

[unreal fern]

where is better sin guide ravenholdt/wowhead or iv?

[pulsar sluice]

can some1 explain this sim btw

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2MzytY6Pg44ptVC6dF8VZc

its recommending me to go dog shti haste

over some haste gear

plus 226 mastery ammy which is yikes

[unreal fern]

sin stats are rly close so it varies much

[dull cloak]

is it higher ilevel over your haste gear

[onyx wind]

How are sims made in regards to zoldyck btw

[pulsar sluice]

yeah but ammy dont give agi

thats what i dont understand

[onyx wind]

Is the boss under 30% hp 30% of the time?

[dull cloak]

but you get more secondary stats, and like someone said before stat weights are pretty close

[lavish stirrup]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[onyx wind]

You are not simming anything vs the necklace

so its always gonna pick that lol

[unreal fern]

u can calculate that, sim stat weights and do math

[pulsar sluice]

i was

i simmed the pvp ammy

vers/haste

[onyx wind]

Doesnt show up

[limber lion]

You didn't though

You turned it off then

[pulsar sluice]

ill resim to show what i mean

[lavish stirrup]

is the stat priority the same for raiding and mm+?

is assas a thing for mm+ first of ?

[onyx wind]

They are fine yes

And yes the stat prio is sort of the same

[lavish stirrup]

thanks

[unreal fern]

Versatility

1.37

Mastery

1.29

ur weights are close

thats why it takes higher ilvl

[shadow helm]

tfw u get dagger instead of phial

[burnt star]

Are u at 22 run yet?

I have 11 hour of my life wasted in there without even seeing it drop

This phial drop rate sucks

Eve. Went with a few group that everyone switched to phial enabled loot spec

[onyx wind]

Did around 30 grps and2 full days

Then went in there with guildies, hunter went survival lootspec

and got trinket

B)

[stoic needle]

Yeah it's quite sad tbh

[bronze forum]

When doing my rotation, I shouls always aim to start my shiv phases with as much energy as I can by adjusting my rotation and poollig energy while I keep up my dots, right? How does the ideal shiv setup looks like? Like 3 cp and 150 energy? or something similar? I'm really new to assassination and fairly new as a rogue and I'm trying to pool energy effectively for the first time

[safe patrol]

main outlaw rogue doing casual hc raid. can I get away with offspec full st doomblade setup without making a fool of myself on mostly every boss? dont wanna switch up to much on talents and such cause Im not to well known with rotation

[pulsar sluice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ewqky8JuLZcXaqZjfgTezk

[brave vector]

if you can play outlaw you can most likely play sin, its much slower than outlaw

[safe patrol]

misphrased, can I get away with that build on for example sunking?

[pulsar sluice]

i gain 49 dps if i use DS/masterammy/thsoe pants

idk if its worth losing all that haste

[safe patrol]

or do people switch to aoe build there and my logs will be giga sad?

[brave vector]

i mean yeah you are going to do worse on sunking than outlaw

whether or not you switch is up to you, you can go doomblade and just focus on doing as much damage to kael as possible if thats what your guild is struggling with

[safe patrol]

yeah obv just nvm me, Its a casual raid. will go for assa and have some fun 😄

[brave vector]

i mean i guess i'm not really sure what you're asking. yeah on a massive cleave fight your damage is going to suffer running a single target build

but it's by no means unplayable

[safe patrol]

im not sure either man, nvm me😂

I brain lagged

[stoic needle]

Use envenom only at 70%+ energy outside of shiv you will naturally pool for shiv

[bronze forum]

I refresh dots normally when they're on pandemic? Only envenom at 70%+

[pulsar sluice]

13% haste with DS for 30 dps...hmm

[dark marten]

What is the haste threshold so DS becomes a viable option?

[onyx wind]

Wait doesnt phial proc a lot more often than every 5 sec?

[limber lion]

Gotta sim yourself, there's too many factors in play than just haste.

[limber lion]

It literally says "Every 5 sec, your next melee ability applies Liquefying Ooze"

[strange python]

Learning from oshosi

[ionic kelp]

i have 10% haste and DS is a .7% (40ish dps) upgrade for me to run, feels like shit tho so i went vigor still

[dull cloak]

but what if its bugged, and its actually less than 5 seconds, and thats why its so good

cuz blizzard small indie company

[limber lion]

A man can dream.

[lofty shell]

well rip, thought reverb conduit would become lashing scars conduit if i went venthyr. Little did i know i gotta find that conduit some place else :<

[low bramble]

you should get it from like the first calling you do

[lofty shell]

ye ima go do world boss quickly first

[low bramble]

at least the 200ilvl one

[lofty shell]

but isnt it guaranteed to get if i go venari right now?

think i got pretty much every other conduit there is for rogue

[balmy dome]

in M+ do you use CT on every finisher?

[tawny basin]

When should I be putting Flagellation into my rotation? Should I be lining it up with other CDs or just using it when it comes up?

[stoic needle]

In pandemic as normal

[stoic needle]

Refresh it in pandemic like rupture

[onyx wind]

Yes but look at the actual buff

Its up like every 3 seconds

not 5

XD

[stoic needle]

The tooltip is wrong

Phial also snapshots stats and damage buffs

[onyx wind]

So whats the actual time between procs?

[stoic needle]

Nobody knows tbh

#tc-research message

[balmy dome]

@stoic needle then you fill with envenom>?

[stoic needle]

You'll spend the majority of your time applying and refreshing garotte and rupture

[stable flint]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

But if you have 5-6 bleeds up it's okay to envenom

[balmy dome]

ah gotcha, thanks!

[true imp]

so sin is smashing after the patch eh?

was it the covenant buff?

[chrome mirage]

A few small things contributed to it

The covenant buffs being one of them

[bold mortar]

Is it worth dropping 40 renown to switch from Fae to Venthyr?

[chrome mirage]

The pins have a good run down on what all has changed

[true imp]

if you dont like it, you can always switch back and your old renown/buildings are saved

[brisk forge]

Depends what lvl u play imo and what u like most

[true imp]

just a bit of grinding

to do the quest

[vital haven]

yo you guys seeing this chinese sin rogue

[chrome mirage]

go on

[dull cloak]

china #1

[vital haven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2412&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[chrome mirage]

[vital haven]

dude

15 buffs

wtf lmao

[bold mortar]

I tend to like to play as close as optimal as possible, just wondering whether the dps diff is enough to merit the switch

[alpine garden]

Have they fixed the Torghast soul ash bug yet?

[chrome mirage]

15 buffs, second highest parse

[brisk forge]

No need to check china logs, they just do everything so some can parse high

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[split veldt]

It’s nice that they show how many buffs they get on a parse, but it would be even better if buff parses didn’t count at all

[stoic needle]

They should have a separate leaderboard

[icy haven]

should be in a different category like using steroids in sports

[stoic needle]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to try to get the absolutely biggest parse possible but don't compare them to everyone else

[split veldt]

Agreed

[stoic needle]

Classic has with worldbuffs / without worldbuffs

This shouldn't be any different

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/amen-anchorman-will-ferrell-gif-10865461

[sand inlet]

I simmed all combinations of NF, Venth, and Necro including soulbinds and it had Niya as the best still on patchwork, I don't know how accurate those simms are though.

[split veldt]

Let’s start a petition

[stoic needle]

Nadjia venthyr is roughly a 150-200 dps upgrade from niya night fae on patchwerk

[spice spire]

Thrillseeker though

[sand inlet]

I simmed my character though, and it didn't show that.

[stoic needle]

Your probably weren't using the lashing scars conduit nor the optimal talent setups

It shows that way for my own sims, and for the sims in the pins that whispyr did

[slender trail]

did you use the venth cov conduit and dauntless?

[sand inlet]

Ahh, yes the Venthyr conduit, no I forgot to enable that. Ty!

[stoic needle]

Yeah that thing is bonkers

[slender trail]

np, and for sin, you only need the one (+ dauntless) for pure st, so test that and see

[icy haven]

anyone ran theotar in m+ yet? was the mastery buff just simbait or actually useful?

[stoic needle]

It's very nice

It's a fuck ton of mastery

[true imp]

is venth good in m+?

[stoic needle]

I've been running nadjia this week for tyrannical but I did a couple keys as theotar and it's good

[true imp]

and pvp?

[fleet whale]

yes venth is good everywhere

[worn path]

Started messing around with sin now that I got a weapon drop from council. The opener feels slow as hell after the second Mut. Especially since the last time I played sin was bleed build in bfa. Gonna take some getting used to

[lusty mountain]

whats ur usual m+ opener on a 3-4 target trash? 3x garrote-> muti-> crimsont -> 4x rupture?

[true imp]

hmm. i might have to dust off my rogue lol. i wanted to keep playing it in SL but i really didn't like the current iteration of sub

[stoic needle]

3x garotte fok CT, fok into ruptures

If it's 3 target replace fok with mut

[molten moon]

Does the opener change as necro?

[worn path]

Nah

[stoic needle]

Sbs instead of fok

[lusty mountain]

its the same with doomblade aswell?

[stoic needle]

After the first fok

[worn path]

You want poisons and bleeds on everything asap for energy. But 3 targets you wanna mut them all

[stoic needle]

Yep, doomblade doesn't change the mut/fok logic

[worn path]

Then sbs I’d assume?

[lusty mountain]

alright, thanks!

[stoic needle]

Nah, sbs applies poisons afaik

It's just plain better than mut

If you were on 4t you'd go garx3 fok ct sbs rup sbs rup sbs rup

You could save one charge for resets if you want to as well

There's probably a point where fok is better than sbs for building but I'm not entirely sure , but it's unlikely at the current levels of crit. Fok is kinda shit

[worn path]

I wish it worked like SS, kinda silly it has to crit to give cp

[stoic needle]

Yeah it's pretty wack

[lusty mountain]

@stoic needle do u play vigor or ds in m+?

[brittle pawn]

mfd

[limber lion]

That's sick, hell yeah

[stoic needle]

You know for a while now I'd been running mfd but now I think I might be a vigor convert

Doing lower cp ruptures isn't as bad as I thought

[brittle pawn]

hm

[lusty mountain]

i feel like i have a shit ton of energy in m+ why not just play ds

[stoic needle]

I wouldn't run DS personally because you need that bigger energy pool to set up everything at the beginning of a pull

[brittle pawn]

yea, i couldnt get 4 garrotes out quickly with ds

and i hate the idea of mfd

[stoic needle]

Over time you have a lot of energy with bleeds up, but when you really need it you will run dry

Mfd is amazing tbh

[onyx wind]

mfd is only really good at 5+ target pulls in my experience

[brittle pawn]

good or not is another story

ican't be fucked to use it

[onyx wind]

vigor is just banger if ur doing 3-4

on 3 target i feel stuck doing -gar gar gar rup mfd CT

and the rup is a bit delayed

[stoic needle]

Yup

[onyx wind]

plus a large amount of the time, i end combat with 5 combo points

[stoic needle]

You just go out of gas

And there's no way to prevent it

We were doing some theorycrafting and it may actually be the play to CT out of stealth and only do 2 subt garottes

[onyx wind]

mfd feels especially nice on prides tho, thats about it

[stoic needle]

Because ct applies poisons, and has huge DPE

[onyx wind]

thats what im doing when i start at 5cp

or always if its 5+ mobs

on 5+ mobs i mfd CT

[stoic needle]

100% poison application chance out of stealth is naisu

[onyx wind]

i didnt know that was a thing

[stoic needle]

It's one of our passives that didn't work until like a week or 2 ago

[wary ice]

only recently isnt borken so

Also its a bad week for mfd

[primal zinc]

http://prntscr.com/10jvgnr

[odd flax]

nightstallker or subterfurge at m+ using MA leggo?

[wary ice]

subt

[primal zinc]

MA only effect auto hits

[limber lion]

I can't believe I don't get invited to HC raid groups.

[vagrant delta]

If you didn't use mfd or have cp, couldn't you just fok out of stealth to apply poisons to all, or does fok not do enough damage to make up for only 2 empowered garr?

[limber lion]

No, always use garrotes out of stealth

[onyx wind]

it will only be compared to 1x empowered

[spice spire]

Number one heroic player on 9.0 btw

[onyx wind]

i have a hard time getting convinced that one empowered garrote will do more than a CT

[stoic needle]

U wot m8?

[spice spire]

Literal number one lmao

[stoic needle]

It definitely doesn't

[wary ice]

the MA opener w/ Subt on a 4+ target pull is g-g-g-CT-g on 3 target you just dont G the 4th time, on 2 target you mut over 3rd garrote

[onyx wind]

on 3 targets? maybe its more dmg to garrote

but theres no way on 5+

[stoic needle]

Even on 2 CT is more

[onyx wind]

sure but then u run into energy stuff

[limber lion]

I'm also 226 ilvl, like what else do I need to do

Oh I got it. The group was "full" already

Can't add more dps because it would break the scaling

2/2/8 = full btw

[lofty shell]

lol

thats speedrun comp

[odd flax]

ty bull!!

[limber lion]

The big pumpers do 2/2/16

[onyx wind]

speedrun comp is 2/2/20

yea XD

[lofty shell]

xD

[spice spire]

Lmfao

[primal zinc]

@limber lion i feel you mate i just got benched mythic progress and eventually left the guild cos they dont accept ssins anymore for progress

[knotty sparrow]

theres math you can do to figure out if adding an additional DPS will out-weigh the upwards HP scaling

[silent tinsel]

Imagine if you could snapshot ma

[limber lion]

We hate Sin-prejudice here.

[knotty sparrow]

i cant remember the formula but theres a general overall DPS they need to have for it to be worth it

[limber falcon]

Its not just sins. Rogues are in a pretty bad spot

[limber lion]

wat

Literally top 3 best ST spec in the game

[onyx wind]

well sin was really bad

now its really good

so depends on the timeline :)

[spice spire]

Like sin is in a GOOD spot rn

[vast forum]

1 of the best ST specs

[silent tinsel]

Why is it such a pain to apply a second shadow oil

[primal zinc]

yes mate all those "standard ideas and meta whore" it drives me crazy....all have the same excuse like ssins are bottom dps and they have 0 utility to provide on raids

[stoic needle]

I bet they're malding now they let a sin rogue go and we're top dps

[vagrant delta]

It's also only been like 3 days

[knotty sparrow]

shadowcore oil first, then flask, then another oil

so you only wait like 3 instead of 5 xD

(seconds)

[odd flax]

MFD for m+?

[knotty sparrow]

for sure MFD is godtier for m+

[silent tinsel]

Nah but you have to switch weapons to do it

[knotty sparrow]

no you dont lol

just apply it again

it will work automatically

[stoic needle]

Imagine using shadowcore oil

[void pecan]

also that.

Gimme my STONES

[stoic needle]

We agi + stone gang

[void pecan]

SHARPEN MY BLADE

[silent tinsel]

But stones are for aoe

[limber lion]

wat

[stoic needle]

They are for st too

[onyx wind]

Stonebros unite

[silent tinsel]

That's what outlaw taught me

[limber lion]

Has Infexious made another video comparing oils/stones?

[stoic needle]

Shadowcore oil and pots are inconsistent af

[limber lion]

We use stones/spectral agi for all content

[primal zinc]

man you cant imagine how mad i am atm cos they just told me to go social if i wanna stay as ssin or if i want to keep my raiding spot should swap to something else like monk or dh or w/e they need

[stoic needle]

The dps diff between the two is less than the sim's margin of error so you go with the more consistent option always

[limber lion]

Exactly

[wary ice]

LOL imagine asking your rogue to swap to dh for st damage

[onyx wind]

I think it also depends on how you perform Mordigen

[silent tinsel]

But stones are like 200g on my server

[onyx wind]

If you perform 100% for a assa rogue, u can prob compete with a lot of classes

If u play a bad spec already and perform "okay", its bad

players not classes*

[stoic needle]

Wtf lol

[onyx wind]

Stone mafia pulling the strings behind the scenes

[stoic needle]

Time to make a bs alt

[knotty sparrow]

lets go DoTty bois

[stoic needle]

We're going to the moon boys

[silent tinsel]

Does anyone have an ideal m council opener?

First attendant is so annoying

[stoic needle]

Hold shiv for it

[primal zinc]

@onyx wind http://prntscr.com/10jvphb

[sullen lintel]

Just put rupture on it and chill

[primal zinc]

what do you mean?

[onyx wind]

Make ur boomie convoke the attendant

[stoic needle]

I'm sorry but if your guild benched you they are actually braindead

[onyx wind]

Thats how u do a good opener

[silent tinsel]

It's not gonna live ruptures duration

[limber falcon]

parsing in heroic kekw

[sullen lintel]

Not even full 99s on heroic ofc he's benched

Not sarcastic

[onyx wind]

Really depends on the timeline

[sullen lintel]

Unless you play in 2k+ guild then sure you can play

[onyx wind]

Depends how long ago those parses are

[stoic needle]

True

[onyx wind]

considering assa does 30% more dmg now

[primal zinc]

those are prev patch

[silent tinsel]

I'm gonna switch back to assa for council next week

[stoic needle]

But still, it was more than viable 2 aura buffs ago

[onyx wind]

Then ig ur guild are super minmaxers

[ionic kelp]

what

[onyx wind]

what

[stoic needle]

What do you mean what

[onyx wind]

delete

[primal zinc]

http://prntscr.com/10jvqqb those are this patch full grp 30 ppl and ppl dying to shit

[silent tinsel]

Outlaw is the nice spec for avoiding evasive lunge

[stoic needle]

K maybe 1

[onyx wind]

delete delete delete delete

[stoic needle]

I mean it was

[primal zinc]

no doomblade no pi bad time on kiss

kills

[onyx wind]

yea then i dont see why u would be benched

[polar crater]

If you’re a heroic guild being asked to reroll is a meme

[onyx wind]

unless ur in a top 1000 guild

[silent tinsel]

No one's allowed to parse on h sire

[onyx wind]

thats braindead

[ionic kelp]

sin was definitely not viable, maybe for m sire after initial aura benches

[silent tinsel]

Just jump around waiting for adds

[onyx wind]

im second hand triggered XD

[ionic kelp]

but if its a heroic guild spec doesnt matter lol

[onyx wind]

but they might have asked u to reroll before sin was good tho

so idk

[brittle pawn]

same idiots that are asking for meta comps for their +12

[onyx wind]

when did this happen

[polar crater]

Lul

[rough storm]

what is sins ?

[primal zinc]

today they asked me to swap to a class with utility like monks dh mage hunter or bench for mythic

[brittle pawn]

was kicked from a +13 yesterday that had a guildie in it and i joined off him when they saw i was sin

doesn't matter 225 ilvl and 1350 io

[stoic needle]

That's my point like unless it a top 1k guild sin was viable

[onyx wind]

havent been kicked yet

for some reason

maybe its because my char looks cool

[polar crater]

I mean I get in to keys as a feral Druid now

[stoic needle]

I think I got kicked for being sin maybe 2 times throughout my whole ksm push

[primal zinc]

btw if some1 is from ravecrest EU plzz tell me

[polar crater]

So I think you got a dumb group lmao

[ionic kelp]

even in prog, sin did so shit damage that it wouldnt help a mediocre guild do push phases

[stoic needle]

People just don't check

And when I beat their shitter boomkin they invited they don't comment

[silent tinsel]

Just keep a bow equipped on hunter, then swap to a spear when the ready check comes

[onyx wind]

did like 14 plaguefall runs

[polar crater]

I get this for a mythic guild progging anything relevant - it’s why all 3 of our rogues rerolled

[onyx wind]

#1 dps in all

[half quest]

Any rotation pins or similar?

[silent tinsel]

[onyx wind]

mages? lol

boomies? lol

[stoic needle]

Depends on what time period we're talking about here

[ionic kelp]

anything before the aura buffs that made it semi viable for m sire

[stoic needle]

I'm mostly talking after the first 2 aura buffs

[polar crater]

I‘m talking like early first weeks of mythic btw

[stoic needle]

That's when I say it was viable

[polar crater]

Rogue became stronger as the tier went on and you started seeing a few more, but overall the melee meta was too strict

[ionic kelp]

ya for sire but you wouldnt bring it to m innerva/council/sludege

[stoic needle]

Everything is viable when you are overgeared

[ionic kelp]

atleast sub was good there for good on demand burst

[polar crater]

I am keen to see how rogue plays out, I’m in the process of catching mine up

[stoic needle]

But when you're undergeared yeah it wasn't cutting it

[ionic kelp]

sin seems really strong on m sludge rn + constant damage off of boss which you lose with sub

[primal zinc]

all i know is that the community is crap...they most% of them are meta whores that think everything else except meta is CRAP and not viable....its not blizzards fault for the shit community....otherwise blizzard you make 3 class in general...1tank 1 dps 1 healer....so dont blade the company blame the community ruining the game

[knotty sparrow]

at the end of the day idc. i play rogue for world pvp

[brittle pawn]

also bringing something you're not going to use for later boss prog is kinda of a waste

[nocturne remnant]

Sorry for the "dumb" question, but if i am looking for a guild to do raids when 9.1 comes out should i focus on assa? Even if i do M+?

[limber falcon]

Swapping to sin for sludge prog rn

[strange python]

without drastic changes or flat out bad balancing and rogues being overpowered early on, not much will change, guilds that go for early mythic clears will have little reason to bring a rogue over a dk

[ionic kelp]

its deffo the move, especially when you play venthyr with it

[polar crater]

Disgusting 😠

[stoic needle]

Sin and law use the same gear just craft a legendary and get 2 daggers

[nocturne remnant]

@primal zinc i agree so much with that, i dropped wow because of that

[limber falcon]

Renown 1 vampire atm haha

[ionic kelp]

the only classes that beat me rn are the affls + mages ofc since they get PId up the asshole

[nocturne remnant]

@stoic needle what lego? Sry new to rogue

[strange python]

check the pins

[nocturne remnant]

I did! I wanted to know if i should do a generic one or sin one first

I guess swapping makes no sense while gearing up

[strange python]

that depends on what you are foremost doing and thus playing

[chrome mirage]

If you're going to be doing dungeons a lot then I would suggest MA

[strange python]

if its more m+ and you play more outlaw then assa, go for MA

[knotty sparrow]

MA for dungeons and PVP too

sin MA setups in arena can be disgusting

[nocturne remnant]

I will prob do more m+ and pvp than raid since i don't have a guild yet

[strange python]

then MA seems the most logical choice, like its overall just a good legendary

[knotty sparrow]

MA should be your first leggo not because viability for sin but because its really good for ALL specs

that makes it the best choice because you can play other shit too

[stoic needle]

Ma was the first legendary I crafted and I don't regret it

[primal zinc]

MA effect AUTO HITS ONLY

[knotty sparrow]

mine was deathly shadows T_T

[knotty sparrow]

..and abilities

[stoic needle]

No it affects all of your abilities

[nocturne remnant]

Abilities too

[strange python]

it effects everything but trinkets, enchantments and stuff like nw weapons

[kind talon]

but like

do people read the patch notes

[strange python]

no

[icy haven]

why would you

[kind talon]

trueeee

[nocturne remnant]

Is venthyr best covenant? I know for outlaw it's necro but i do m+ pvp and some raids

[knotty sparrow]

i miss MA working with skullkers

[kind talon]

venthyr is best single target for all 3 specs

haste makes your dots tick so its probably good for aoe too

[icy haven]

you play theotar for m+ cuz mastery 😄

[kind talon]

though idk if youre using crimson tempest

[knotty sparrow]

crimson tempest has a dot on it too

[kind talon]

ye

thats the point

[stoic needle]

You get mad haste from flag regardless of soulbind

[kind talon]

haste is like infinitely better with CT than poison bomb for cleave

[primal zinc]

@stoic needle @knotty sparrow http://prntscr.com/10jw0zb

[trail mica]

anybody playing necro sin in m+?

[knotty sparrow]

speaking of haste procs does anyone have a WA for Nadjia's proc?

[kind talon]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Deïræ#season=season-sl-1

[knotty sparrow]

yeah you said auto hits only

[kind talon]

hes necro

@trail mica

[knotty sparrow]

theres a necro rogue 2.1k io in my guild and hes staying necro for outlaw m+

[kind talon]

rank 23 is necro as well

[primal zinc]

oh damn im stupid...sorry im not focused i thought about spears and orbs

[kind talon]

for assassination btw

dossi

[ionic kelp]

necro outlaw going to be huge in m slg prog and m+

[kind talon]

necro outlaw is best

because it procs w bf

[knotty sparrow]

does SBS work with Exsanguinate?

[sharp mica]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[stoic needle]

Venthyr bis looks though

[nocturne remnant]

What is slg prog?

[primal zinc]

sorry im mad cos i got kicked from guild today because i play assassin

[kind talon]

outlaw doesnt have blade flurry

[ionic kelp]

stone legion general progression

[knotty sparrow]

wait what

[stoic needle]

It's okay man your guild doesn't deserve you anyway

[loud mason]

Am i allowed to play assi in m+ yet ? 😦

[stoic needle]

You will find a better one

[stoic needle]

If you play sin in m+ you will be sent directly to the gulag

[kind talon]

bro guilds are the stupidest game community thing of all time

[stoic needle]

For your crimes

Of daring to have fun

[trail mica]

i guess MA is still the play for keys... i was hoping maybe dashing or zoldyck could have some playtime

[primal zinc]

http://prntscr.com/10jw30d

ofc you can

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck is viable in keys

[loud mason]

But honest question, do u guys ever think assi will get some m+ love anytime this xpac?

[stoic needle]

About the same as MA

[kind talon]

the spec is inherently st

[nocturne remnant]

Necro assa or venthyr outlaw for keys?

[stoic needle]

Dashing is trash for keys though just don't

[kind talon]

necro for outlaw

[marsh yew]

if only blizzard actually balanced like that matters :/

[kind talon]

wdym?

[knotty sparrow]

imo people are sleeping on venthyr outlaw because flag haste is nice for outlaw between ARs on a long fight

[trail mica]

if we somehow get echoing blades azerite power back, its gonna be pretty good...

[stoic needle]

Short of some cracked out borrowed power sin will never be better than outlaw in m+

[primal zinc]

dashing is king in tyraniccal/spirit tho

[stoic needle]

Doomblade is better

[ionic kelp]

outlaw is just the superior key spec and thats facts

[nocturne remnant]

@knotty sparrow thanks, i wanna play the best spec and it seems assa is gonna be it for everything exept keys

[stoic needle]

I've been running doomblade in TOP and plaguefall this week it really pumps

[knotty sparrow]

im just sayin, dont listen to me

lol

[trail mica]

i was destroying outlaws in keys in 8.2 / 8.3

[kind talon]

outlaw is the best spec lol

[stoic needle]

Yeah that's from the cracked out borrowed power

[nocturne remnant]

@kind talon overall?

[kind talon]

yes

[knotty sparrow]

MA KS outlaw forever juicy

in keys

[kind talon]

yes

[stoic needle]

Just wait until we get 'empowered conduits and soulbinds' and one of them is shrouded suff and EB

[lofty shell]

didnt outlaw have something pretty op too

what was the name of the thingy in bfa

[compact pumice]

Assa is outsimming outlaw ST tho right?

[marsh yew]

in mythic+ outlaw is the best but im pretty sure in raid assassination is a better spec to take than outlaw no?

[trail mica]

outlaw is king now

[ionic kelp]

depends on fight

[knotty sparrow]

outlaw does very well on huntsman

[stoic needle]

Outlaw only really wins on slg now

[ionic kelp]

its huntsman tho

that boss doesnt amtter lol

[stoic needle]

Tbh sin 2 target cleave is better than outlaw

[knotty sparrow]

what about sire

is assas winning on sire

[stoic needle]

Yes

[marsh yew]

they have higher execute damage

[knotty sparrow]

wow even with BR cheese in p1?

[ionic kelp]

sin good for sire cause p3 only phase that matter

[stoic needle]

It wins on the only part of the fight that matters

[shy dust]

P1 is irrelevant

[marsh yew]

so even if they are losing in terms of overall dps they still would end up winning

[knotty sparrow]

im talking parses but yeah

[shy dust]

P3 is the only part of the fight that matters realistically

Outlaw will do higher overall

If that’s what you mean

[stoic needle]

P1 and p2 are basically RP

[primal zinc]

kappa

[knotty sparrow]

right

[marsh yew]

but even huntsman assassination is winning as of rn

[knotty sparrow]

what about darkvein

with the 2 add cleave

[stoic needle]

Those adds melt

It's pretty competitive

You just dot them up for energy and push even more damage into inerva

[marsh yew]

on darkvein outlaw does beat it but most of the specs are pretty close together for darkvein excluding bm and subt

[knotty sparrow]

yeah we're hugging together at the bottom on darkvein lmao

no wait

[ionic kelp]

your main focus on innerva is to focus boss and push the timers

[knotty sparrow]

outlaw is king of darkvein still

[primal zinc]

http://prntscr.com/10jw7zp

[upbeat pike]

Guys, if you are night fae, are you going to change to venthyr?
React with 👍 and 👎

[knotty sparrow]

i did already

[ionic kelp]

if u just want to see high damage numbers then ya you go outlaw on innerva

[knotty sparrow]

sub literally bottom for darkvein 95th percentile

[ionic kelp]

but if you want to help your guild make the push go play sin now, or sub before the sin buffs

[knotty sparrow]

that makes sense

[stoic needle]

[marsh yew]

outlaw does like 200 more dps in the 95th percentile on darkvein

its not that much of a difference

[knotty sparrow]

hey in m+ are you guys saving vendetta for bosses on tyrannical or are you using it on trash a-la Adrenaline rush

[stoic needle]

Use it exactly like adrenaline rush

If it's up, use it

[knotty sparrow]

word ok

ty

[exotic pulsar]

Yo on 2 target cleave do we fan or auto attack the off target to proc poisons for the energy regen or do we just bleed them without worrying about the poison?

[primal zinc]

its the best for pvp tho....they scale versa crit in both contents and its viable for raid too

[knotty sparrow]

fan always 2+ targets i believe

[stoic needle]

It doesn't matter at all for aoe pulls, so just put it on the prio target

Fan only on 4 targets

[marsh yew]

for 2 target cleave I'm pretty sure we mutilate the other target

[knotty sparrow]

oh shit really xD

oops

[exotic pulsar]

What about if you're funneling?

Like council.

[stoic needle]

Still, only on 4 targets

[knotty sparrow]

i thought funneling wasnt a thing anymore

[stoic needle]

It kinda isn't

[marsh yew]

garrote off targets

[knotty sparrow]

wow fan for 4 tagets and up

shit man

[stoic needle]

For council you garrote 1 of the others and call it a day

Yeah fan of knives is shit

[spice spire]

Toxic

[knotty sparrow]

ive been fuckin up hard

[thorny pond]

Extra energy = funnel

[stoic needle]

[exotic pulsar]

why garrote them if you dont proc the poison for energy regen?

[spice spire]

[stoic needle]

You keep the poison up too

[exotic pulsar]

with mutilate??

[stoic needle]

Yeah

Or autos

[exotic pulsar]

On council that will just be healed

[thorny pond]

Pray autos do it

[exotic pulsar]

and not even count on logs

[stoic needle]

It's not about the damage

[spice spire]

Energy regen

[stoic needle]

Its about the energy for more damage on the boss you're focusing

[marsh yew]

its about the energy your gonna get from it to funnel into the main boss

[spice spire]

Big brain

[thorny pond]

daddy loves extra energy for shiv windows

[knotty sparrow]

bruh

[exotic pulsar]

I understand but a mutilate is a shit ton of energy

[knotty sparrow]

its only like 400 energy its fine

just wait 1.5 minutes

[stoic needle]

Mutilate does garbage damage

But you use the cp you gain on the main boss

So it's still worth it

[marsh yew]

mutilate is 50 energy and you get 8 energy per garrote tick and garrote lasts for 18 seconds, if you aren't getting that energy back I'd be pretty surprised

[primal zinc]

on the other side blindside ambuse does x2 dmg of mut but awards max 3 cp

[marsh yew]

but if your waiting for energy to pool for a shiv window you can just auto attack the other boss as well

[stoic needle]

True

[knotty sparrow]

so 4+ targets for fan and how many targets for crimson tempest

[primal zinc]

and remember even if you have doomblade leggo...mut is still <to blindside ambush

[knotty sparrow]

is it better to rupture instead of tempest at 2 or 3 add cleave?

[loud mason]

i see the pin saying zoldyck does like 200 less dmg then doomblade lego, but im just chilling with doing like 15 runs and puggin 1-2 mythic bosses. is it terrible of me to max zoldyck lego ?

[knotty sparrow]

zoldycks good all around

doomblade better only for pure ST

[marsh yew]

^ it's really good on certain fights like denathrius

[primal zinc]

zoldzycks is good for all content tbh

[stoic needle]

1 target

[loud mason]

aight ty folks, il max it then 😄

[iron orchid]

Even on 1 target, if talented into CT, you should try to have a good uptime on it

maybe that's not true if you run doomblade, didn't teest that out

just don't refresh CT during a shiv window

[marsh yew]

does rogue/mage still work well with assassination rogue? for 2s arenas

[stoic needle]

Meh

You need cc for rogue mage

[icy haven]

should although sub might be better burst for the kill windows

[stoic needle]

Sin doesn't have much

Sin is better burst but it has harder time forcing defensives

[knotty sparrow]

bruh crimson tempest on 1 target

ive been doing it all wrong

[marsh yew]

^^^ yeah I didnt realize you were supposed to use it on 1 target either XD

[knotty sparrow]

do you ignore rupturing 3 targets when playing crimson tempest? is that your only finisher (besides SnD if you need it). are you still using envenom to refresh SnD?

or are you dumping crimson tempest and ignoring envenom and rupture

[marsh yew]

you never want to only use CT

[stoic needle]

You keep up as many ruptures and garottes as you can while maintaining CT on all targets

CT is just like an aoe rupture

[knotty sparrow]

and ignore envenom right

[stoic needle]

You don't spam it unless you have 8+

Envenom is okay if you have 5-6 bleeds up total

You also drop SnD at 6 targets

Maybe even sooner now that it doesn't give energy

But let's just say 6

[eternal wave]

Just got a 210 Quantum

[icy haven]

i hate you

[eternal wave]

Not sure if I'm actually happy doe

I mean I'd trade it for a Phial any day

[stoic needle]

It's pretty good

I don't think I'm gonna farm one though

[icy haven]

200 phial from before valor, i get to refarm PF now....

[eternal wave]

Currently sitting on Inerva M trinket as my On Use

[ripe turtle]

MA is probably the best first leggo to craft if i multi-spec and pvp, right?

[icy haven]

yes

[ripe turtle]

Ty for confirmation

[limber lion]

Lmao if you go to your profile on WCL, it actually shows you the combined scores of 9.0 and 9.0.5

My profile is fucking nutty because of it

Not sure why they decided to default to that but oki

[stuck mica]

Hey Rogues, i have pushed my Rogue to 213 ilevel last week an now i have 3400 soul ash and no leggy... i now thinking about master assasin so i can benefit in outlaw aswell... do i loose much as assa? or should i build doomblade and in 3 weeks outlaw bis?

[limber lion]

I think you should start with MA. MA is very good and competitive for Assa in ST and M+, and it's one of the best legendaries for Outlaw

I would probably recommend building a collection of legendaries at 190 ilvl first, then starting to upgrade them as you see fit.

So get a 190 MA, 190 Doomblade, 190 Celerity, 190 Zoldyck if you want to multi-spec Assa and Outlaw

[stuck mica]

hmm ok that sounds like a plan thx alot

[limber lion]

No worries mate, good luck!

[icy haven]

pretty happy about this 😄

[mental laurel]

I disagree. MA is a good one to pick but then just get one for whichever specialty you prefer. If you want to play more sin, then go with Doomblade (EDIT: or zoldyck). Way better to upgrade one or two legendaries than to have a wide range of them at a low ilvl

[radiant fossil]

Guys, why do some people play deeper stratagem and other play vigor on single target ? is there a specific stuff ou anything ? or just preference ?

[verbal knot]

Guys,huge question.While progressing on mythic hungering,i noticed my luxthos weak aura enabled vendetta to be seen as popped on pull,while its not

Am i missing something or is it bugged

Like after the basic opener the wa showed vendetta as going with 20 secs left,while it wasnt even popped

[thorn turtle]

@icy haven I heard u can delete an item, restore it via bnet thingy, and it will be upgradable

[icy haven]

wait for real? might have to give a whirl

[thorn turtle]

Try it, if it works let me know

[polar crater]

I don’t recommend doing that because it sounds like a bug lul

[echo crystal]

Is there a resource or anyone who can tell me, where the finer points of assassination is? Because it seems like there isnt much of a skill ceiling with this spec on a single target, outside pooling energy

[slender trail]

I dunno, I agree with Cev. I think last time I checked, I gained 35 dps going from a 190 celerity ring to a 235 celerity ring. However, having another bis legendary in your arsenal to make you more attractive to and effective in groups (both raid and m+) is very valuable, any often the correct selection of legendary will be FAR more valuable than the upgrade from 190 to 235. Both approaches are valid, but I think I'd lean toward having 3 or 4 bis ones ahead of putting all your ash into 1 or 2.

[thorn turtle]

Even if you get banned, it’s only 24hr

I’ll do the testing myself tomorrow morning

Stay tuned

[polar crater]

For science

[wise fiber]

Hi. is anyone using Nadja with Exacting Preparation? thats the one it sims higher for me. Mplus

[thorn turtle]

Yeah, I have all covenants at 30 renown for science

Got all specs, so why can’t do other science stuff

[gusty mirage]

Deeper is simming better for some people

[icy ember]

hey sin bros, crafting some zoldycks leggings soon, which 2 stats do I choose? haste and mastery?

[gusty mirage]

Crit haste or haste vers

[limber lion]

Yeah, I did this as well. I got MA at 190 first, then I went full-on Subtlety with 235 Finality. Switched to Assa later and got 235 Zoldyck

[junior token]

sims with kinda like 50 dps more but the playstyle feels wierd

[icy ember]

well for raiding specifically, prolly crit haste?

im trying to kill mythic d so

[gusty mirage]

Either, sim it in top gear to make sure though

[strange python]

zol dick

[stuck mica]

i think i go with MA first

[slate agate]

What's the opener with MA

[icy haven]

@thorn turtle ill do it later aswell

gon be fun

[verbal knot]

@slate agate apply 3 garrotes 1 rupte then spam fan of knives and crimson tempest,guessing youre refering for m+ since youre using ma

[upbeat pike]

is there a way that i can sim with different covenants?

[verbal knot]

@upbeat pike yeah,go to raidbots and check the unlock all soulbinds tab and you can select them

[sleek otter]

Hmmmm Im wondering, are there any multiplicitive damage modifiers or are they all additive?

[upbeat pike]

thankss

[sharp echo]

hi guys i have a question first sorry for my english 😦 at the council fight should i rupture every boss ? for generate energy ?

[balmy condor]

No

Garrotes only

[gentle lotus]

Does it also sim with the ability?

[balmy condor]

Of course

[ebon bramble]

hmm assassination rose up in the logs again...iiiiinteresting

[balmy condor]

Imagine simming niya with a necrolord ability

:P

[limber lion]

How to parse on council pls help

[gentle lotus]

Haha, true. I wasn't sure if it also considered the ability, but good to know 🙂

[limber lion]

I'm so shit at the fight it's unbelievable

[sharp echo]

why garrote? garrote is 45 energy

[stoic needle]

i'm gonna test out the item restore thing right now

[sleek otter]

Im assuming hes talking about the free garrotes from Subt

[verbal knot]

@gentle lotus ah no idea actually,but i think it does

[balmy condor]

Cause you get the energy back

[sleek otter]

or yah nvm, just in general

[limber lion]

How often do bleeds tick? Or more specifically garrote?

[verbal knot]

@balmy condor whispyr can you check my pm?

[odd heath]

Don't allow balance druids on pt. That's the way

[sleek otter]

@limber lion Depends on haste

[balmy condor]

Can you give me like any amount of time to breathe a lil

[limber lion]

Ah yeah true, I'm a monke

45 energy for a 18s garrote which refunds 8 energy every time it ticks sounds like a good deal to me

[balmy condor]

Baseline tick rates are 2/(1+haste)

[sleek otter]

Does this rule apply to pretty much any of the bosses? F.e Huntsman

I meant @stark whale

[sharp echo]

u right but im checing logs and no1 rogues didint do that

[balmy condor]

Okay

And?

[balmy condor]

Well huntsman you want to dot everything cause they all take damage

[sleek otter]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh I got you

thanks 😛

[limber lion]

Okay my baseline garrote without lust/venthyr shenanigans ticks 11 times.

So it's guaranteed 88 energy for 45 energy. A return of 43 energy

[stoic needle]

@thorn turtle it doesn't work

i just tried it

[limber lion]

Then you slap on Venthyr shenanigans and lust on it and you'll be rolling in energy

Definitely worth using garrote on Council

[manic quartz]

does not work anymore if it even did

[icy haven]

feelsbadman, anyone for all rogue PF farm on EU?

[balmy condor]

If only there was an lfg system in the game

[limber lion]

Already got mine. Took me 9 dungeons. :--)

It's out there, you just have to get it

[strange python]

Either you get it or you don't. 50%

[limber lion]

Also, if you wanna minmax it, you should queue with someone who can get the drop but doesn't need the drop

No point running with 3 rogues because they'll never trade it to you

[icy haven]

yea, ill get props get some guildies to help me, since im swapping to rogue, dont want to raid as casino hunter

[true pelican]

@balmy condor I see you saying to use flag on cd unless we lose a cast, however the sim seems to always hold the 2nd flag for 2nd vendetta, do you know why?

[icy haven]

oh you didnt see my picture about getting kicked from a +9 Pf for being assass

[balmy condor]

Because it syncs, since it doesn’t lose a cast

[rapid laurel]

what are the conduits for theotar?

[balmy condor]

Lashing

[rapid laurel]

no I mean refined or wasteland

[limber lion]

I'm guessing you're asking about the soulbind traits?

Wasteland

[rapid laurel]

All right thanks

[limber lion]

Should I make a weak aura to track Thrill Seeker or not

Hmm

Currently it just does its thing whenever and I have no clue when

[north basin]

guys do i need to muti more than 1 time on offtarget during all garrote time on this offtarget?

[limber lion]

Probably doesn't matter

[icy haven]

wasnt there a whole disscussion about trying to line up CDs with TS

[rapid laurel]

I don't think it would really matter would it?

[limber lion]

You want to have your poisons on the target. You don't need to muti if it has poisons on it already, but Muti has the highest chance to apply poisons

[balmy condor]

You don’t play around thrill seeker

[limber lion]

Yeh figured as much.

[north basin]

but poisons wears off?

[rapid laurel]

takes 80 seconds for it to come up so you'd end up delaying your cooldowns for it to awkwardly line up

[limber lion]

Then you apply poisons again by either meleeing, using Mutilate or using FoK

[rapid laurel]

You can maybe line up thrill seeker with flagellation?

[balmy condor]

You don’t play around thrill seeker

[limber lion]

Nah I was thinking more in the likes of "oh now I can spam my Mutilate extra hard"

Nothing else

[rapid laurel]

just press it 4head

[safe barn]

wait

[north basin]

i just need to do 99% parses on altimor and council. need to optimize energy return on garrotes,,

[safe barn]

is it worth it now to open with ambush?

[limber lion]

But yeah, haven't looked at it a single time. Just now remembered that it exists when I looked at my soulbinds lmao

[north basin]

so its like x2 on energy return on each garrote

[limber lion]

No

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[limber lion]

Huntsman is an easy one to parse.

You keep all bleeds up 24/7

[safe barn]

chineses are weird

[limber lion]

No exception

[limber lion]

Yeah, don't do this.

Vendetta super early as well, where's flag, where's shiv

[safe barn]

they have their own meta

[limber lion]

Yep

[north basin]

if its fast kill yes. but if in mediocre kill timers its kinda hard to parse orange )

[brittle pawn]

Doesn't matter how you play when you get 10 PI

[limber lion]

I disagree. If you use Zoldyck on Huntsman, it's quite easy

[wise fiber]

Thats it for Mplus?

[sleek hemlock]

is worth to delay flagellation to use it on every vendetta?

[north basin]

zoldyk,, not an option, i have doomblade 210 only ))

well i have 95% on ilvl parse. but not total in mythic.

ash shortage

[brittle pawn]

It takes 1 week to make a r1

[safe barn]

how to parse on kael

or slg

[balmy condor]

Pump harder

Kill faster

[fluid moth]

so is zold or MA leggo better for m+?

for assass

[balmy condor]

Depends on key and level

[fluid moth]

id assume lower level keys MA would get more value

[balmy condor]

Usually zold is the play but ma is good too

[fluid moth]

since mobs arent living that long

[safe barn]

if you are swimming in soul ass just do both

if you don't

make MA so you can use in 3 specs instead of just one

thats my advice

[north basin]

whats the point in casting rupture after vendetta?

on opener

[primal zinc]

rapt get sbuffed by vendetta

buffed

[balmy condor]

We cast rupture after flag

[stoic needle]

To get the damage from flag in vendetta

[balmy condor]

And flag after vendetta

Casting vend before rupture isn’t the interaction

[north basin]

got it

[celest marlin]

what stats on lege hands? haste crit?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[north basin]

do we aim for specific number of finishers durin flag? to maximize its output

[safe barn]

what if i dont have flag

i have sepsis

[supple pelican]

just press sepsis inplace of flag..?

[wise fiber]

[safe barn]

flag has different iteration i think

flag benefits for the rupture sepsis dont

something like that

[north basin]

flag causes each combo point spent within 12 sec to lash for 10% attack power. how do we translate it for humans?

xD

[quasi oar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stoic needle]

5cp = 50% attack power of damage

[north basin]

do we optimise it somehow? like doing 6cp finishers in these 12 seconds

[stoic needle]

Just do as many finishers as you can

If you can multi dot other targets for more energy during the flag window that helps

The energy from vendetta also helps

[left sparrow]

how hard do you burst though

[balmy condor]

Then you just do your standard opener and vendetta after the rupture

[stoic needle]

I've had the initial hit of flag do 10k with vendetta up and the conduit

[safe barn]

i did not know that, never changed from my fairy bois

[left sparrow]

with theo and agil pot

[stoic needle]

A man of culture

Wait is that flag or an env

[left sparrow]

haha

[limber lion]

Envenom

[left sparrow]

hits like a truck

[limber lion]

He has 6s env buff

[stoic needle]

Like I said, a man of culture

[limber lion]

Blaster

[loud niche]

cev join the new profile pic crew

[stoic needle]

[left sparrow]

lol new profile pic

[north basin]

so lets say inerva and u see 2 adds spawn. u have flag and shiv ready. u flag first on inerva and start to apply rupture + garrote+ 1 mutilate on targets? what to do with shiv then if i cant envenom due energy starving )

[limber lion]

😄 might have to

[north basin]

how to do this part best

[strange python]

[limber lion]

I would shiv + flag Inerva, Rupture add, garrote add, switch back to Inerva to Muti, then Env Inerva, garrote second add, Muti Inerva

But you don't need to Envenom necessarily in the Shiv window

You still get a lot of damage from your poisons during it.

You can just slam Shiv and then garrote/rupture the adds

[north basin]

ye doing almost the same but wanted more opinions

and there is no point to vendetta inerva during it ye?

better wait til adds killed and have full time of vendeta on boss

[stoic needle]

No you should still vendetta her

Tbh you can get away with tunneling her if vend is up it's a decent excuse

Your target swap damage isn't huge outside of dots anyway

[limber lion]

Yeah I wouldn't swap to adds at all. I would just target Inerva 24/7 and just apply garrotes/ruptures to the adds

You don't want to hard swap.

The only time you'd want to hard swap is when the add hits 35% so you have more chance to proc Blindside (and Inerva doesn't have Shiv/Vendetta rolling on it)

[midnight sierra]

35

[limber lion]

I would just plan it so I have 4-5 combo points ready so when the adds spawn you can insta garrote/rupture the big one, then use all cds on Inerva and just hard focus on it.

[pulsar heron]

Not sure if this is a bug in the tooltip, or a bug with the spells themselves. Anyone able to cheapshot/ambush out of stealth during an entire fight? Just started playing with Assa and I was suprised by this

[limber lion]

Shouldn't be able to use Cheap Shot out of stealth. Only way would be in stealth or after Sepsis proc

Ambush you can when Blindside procs (or Sepsis)

Do you have a video of you using Cheap Shot/Ambush like that?

[pulsar heron]

Yes, thats what should be going on. I dont know wtf is happening with cheapshot and ambus during my target dummy practice

ill go out and try on mobs

[gusty mirage]

@pulsar heron are you playing subterfuge?

maybe you found a bug

[compact pumice]

That can't be... a bug, in WoW?

[pulsar heron]

streaming live in gen 1

nevermind when i logged out and logged in it was gone

sorry i sound like im making shit up now, but I swear I cheapshotted a mob until DR kicked in lol

[onyx wind]

Vendetta is better when you have more energy

Using vendetta when you have add cleave up is nice

[cerulean kernel]

Do you keep anima upgrades when you switch? I just want my Orbios portal and it sounds worth to go ven

[pallid spear]

nope

[limber lion]

Yo this name is too similar to mine

[pallid spear]

If u go back to (whatever you are right now) you keep everything but u have to upgrade everything from scratch when entering a new cov

[limber lion]

I legit thought I posted something because I saw "Cev"

Yeh, but if you have excess anima you can buy cosmetics from your old sanctum and then sell them when you switch

[pallid spear]

u keep a few companions though, like croman, meatball and stuff

[cerulean kernel]

Damn

Yea kew name Cev 😂

[stoic needle]

Meatball the pumper

The absolute god

[pallid spear]

New flag feels 100000% better than the old one, its worth to swap just because of the ability imo lmao

[stoic needle]

You wanna know something sad though

They basically just replaced the live flag with the torghast power version

[north basin]

lewl

[cerulean kernel]

Months of anima farming to unlock the portal is holding me back

[pallid spear]

like 1 or 2 weeks and u got it back! make sure to rescure the maw souls once you made some renown

[pallid spear]

is it? i dont know the torghast version

[stoic needle]

The anima power has always been that way but before it was 30 stacks

They literally just threw their hands up and said 'fuck it lets just make the torghast power live'

[pallid spear]

l m a o

at least it feels nice now

[tulip osprey]

pretty sure torghast anima powers is just a testing ground 🙂

are*

[stoic needle]

Yeah it seems that way

[tulip osprey]

its smart honestly

[stoic needle]

Vein rippers talent when?!?!!!

[tulip osprey]

they can rescale numbers behind the scenes to see how things would play out when not OP

[limber lion]

I remember someone asking Ion Hazzikostas if we could ever use Torghast powers in the Maw and he said "Haha no, Torghast powers are for Torghast and Torghast only"
Welp.

No wonder it's so good

[onyx cove]

hey guys... i want to make a weak aura or get an addon that can do this with dots above my plates.. any ideas?

[tulip osprey]

"as is" agreeed, but taking concepts and tuning them for open world makes sense

[frail fossil]

nameplate aura addon i think

[limber lion]

Just wanted to say, great picture and concept. No clue though.

[frail fossil]

can help u with that

[limber lion]

Hey there we go

[onyx cove]

haha okay nameplate aura it is