assassination

[velvet nacelle]

i want that trinket too but not that bad

[fluid blaze]

which trinket

[tiny ember]

i benched myself for raid and kept spaming PF 15s

[velvet nacelle]

hell i gave a 184 away while i was renown farming

the phial of putrification or whatever

[fluid blaze]

ahh ok

but which tirnket drop from mist

[plush basin]

oh you know, just the trinket thats required to parse

no big deal

[lofty shell]

hes farming a wep

[fluid blaze]

yeah I have the 226 one 🙂

[sharp mica]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gentle gyro]

mists drops a dagger

[gloomy fern]

not even worth upgrading a 184 so why not

[velvet nacelle]

@gloomy fern that was my thinking

[lofty shell]

howmucch valor does 1 tier cost

[velvet nacelle]

the amount of valor it would cost to upgrade it all the way is pretty ridiculous

[tiny ember]

still worth

[stoic needle]

Yeah fuck upgrading a m0

[gloomy fern]

trinket is 400 so it would basically be max cap

literally have to run 35 keys

[tiny ember]

you either upgrade that or do 23 runs like i did on 15

[velvet nacelle]

if i don't get it again before i hit max cap then i'll kick myself lightly

[gentle gyro]

220 - 184 = 36, 36/3 = 12, 12 * 400 = 4800

so yeah

basically cap

[tiny ember]

but you can get the cap in a +2 halls over and over and over agian

[shadow helm]

PARSES ARE FUCKED

i did 6k on heroic inerva it only says 90

wtf

[velvet nacelle]

i don't honestly care too much about parses anyways, still too many bosses to get a first kill on

[sharp mica]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[slender urchin]

PepeYes

[sharp mica]

is that accurate? guides put crit above vers

[velvet nacelle]

sim it

stat weights change based on your gear

that's a rough estimation

[slender urchin]

My weights @224

[sharp mica]

im 150 :p trying to get a pointer in general for leggo stat choices

[velvet nacelle]

you're not going to go wrong with either vers or crit

[fallen current]

haste vers wont be wrong

[velvet nacelle]

if you're going to pvp with it, i'd go vers

[cunning surge]

^

[plain thistle]

for legendary people usually do crit/haste, but not the only option

or haste/versa for pvp yeah

[slender urchin]

I prefer crit because more CP = joy

I tend to bias towards stats that make specs feel better to play

[velvet nacelle]

@slender urchin exactly my thinking on why i made mine haste/crit

[tribal shuttle]

for the lego which stat is best for raiding and which slot?

[fallen current]

you really cant go wrong tho

[velvet nacelle]

vers is like the most boring stat to be as important as it is

[fallen current]

unless you did mastery

[uneven summit]

Doomblade on gloves, check pins

[tribal shuttle]

ty

[ebon merlin]

Is doomblade still best for pvp?

[velvet nacelle]

doomblade on gloves assumes that you have a chance at mythic SLG this tier

if you do, more power to you but you're probably not asking a ton of questions in here

if you don't, i'd recommend making whatever gets you higher ilvl

since shoulders and gloves are the same, stat-wise

[oak lark]

Quick Question all are Farming mists for daggers Right? To get them to 220? Arent the denathrius daggers Equal?

[velvet nacelle]

i made shoulders since i had 210 shoulders and 226 gloves

[uneven summit]

yes

[shadow helm]

NICE GAME

[stoic needle]

Doomblade was never best for sin pvp. MA fits the current meta better

[velvet nacelle]

MA will give you more burst, with the added bonus of more pressure when you play restealths

which is actually hilarious

[cunning surge]

I have 226 shoulders so I just made gloves regardless tbh

[gloomy fern]

why do u keep spamming about ur 90 log

[velvet nacelle]

@cunning surge yeah, that's probably the right call

honestly if we down SLG this tier i'll be pleasantly surprised

that'll be a good problem to have

[sharp mica]

wait, gloves and shouylders have equal stat amounts given same ilvl?

[stoic needle]

Yes

[velvet nacelle]

yup

[sharp mica]

sick

[shadow helm]

what spam

[cunning surge]

Same, like I have hopes that my guild can? Unsure overall but hey, future proofing my gear isn't a bad call if it won't cost me dps

[shadow helm]

i didnt even post it twice

[velvet nacelle]

@cunning surge my thinking is that, by then, i'll have enough dust to just remake it if i need to

ash

whatever

[cunning surge]

Honestly that's a very fair point too

[velvet nacelle]

resource flavor of the day

[leaden hawk]

soul dust 10/10

[velvet nacelle]

as much as i hate torghast, i'm gonna make my rank 4 shoulders then farm up to cap so i won't feel any pressure at all to run it for a long time

[wise gull]

SO CLOSE

[velvet nacelle]

"quitting" torghast at 0 ash was a dumb play

[shadow helm]

they're probably gonna add more legs or make you wear 2

[stoic needle]

Any phialers in the chat?

[strange python]

😦

[velvet nacelle]

@shadow helm then it'll be MA/doomblade baby

[strange python]

nope

[thorn turtle]

Gonna grind them from tomorrow morning

Time for nonstop pf

[stoic needle]

Nah it would be zoldyck/doomblade if we could wear 2

[thorn turtle]

So excited

[velvet nacelle]

maybe, but i like MA

fight me. you won't

[stoic needle]

True

[gloomy fern]

nah dashing doomblade

[cunning surge]

DB+MA would be a nasty combo

[stoic needle]

Ma is undeniably fun

But we have the ma talent

So we kinda get 2.5 legendaries

[velvet nacelle]

i mean obviously you wouldn't use the MA talent with the legendary

[bleak sedge]

Do we have a guide on which legendary to use on which boss?

[strange python]

how does one handle shiv while fighting a boss with adds? should I keep up bleeding dots on the adds as well before I use shiv?

[velvet nacelle]

150% crit is still just 100% crit heh

[stoic needle]

Yes, but if you use zoldyck + doomblade plus ma talent

[cunning surge]

Honestly if we get 2 Legendaries, a large part of me will want to fuck with Duskwalker...

[stoic needle]

It's like having 2.5

[velvet nacelle]

ahh i see what you'r esaying

[stoic needle]

Duskwalker will be kinda nuts

1 min vendettas? Yes please

[gentle gyro]

we can't really reduce it to 1min

more like 1:20

[cunning surge]

I rarely line my Vendettas up tbh so I kinda want to test around with it

[stoic needle]

I read that it was 62s

[cunning surge]

But I don't wanna waste the ash unless I really don't have anything else to make

[velvet nacelle]

wasn't duskwalkers + ma the combo for a while in legion?

[cunning surge]

Duskwalker was definitely one of the 2 that we'd wear, at least from what I did

[gloomy fern]

so you think u burn 1860 energy in 58s?

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like it was zoldycks + duskwalkers after they nerfed MA

and MA + zoldycks before

MA + the hidden blades legendary was hilarious for the pvp world quests too

every 30s i'd get like 5 kills on one button, then i'd vanish/restealth and do it again

[onyx wind]

PLAGUEFALL IS SO FUN

I LOVE THIS DUNGEON

[cunning surge]

God I never even thought of that

[onyx wind]

PLEASE NEVER GIVE ME TRINKET SO I CAN PLAY IT FOREVER

[desert ether]

Any good people to watch on YouTube that plays rogue beside Pikaboo

[velvet nacelle]

pshero

he gets salty too so it's fun to watch

[thorn turtle]

Wazz?

[velvet nacelle]

@cunning surge it'd work now but not as well, i think i twas like +600% back then, now the talent is only +400%

[shadow helm]

idk why people hate PF

[thorn turtle]

Or whazz whatever

[shadow helm]

necrotic is more cancer

[cunning surge]

Oh yeah I mean back then

[velvet nacelle]

necrotic with MA before the patch was amazing

[stoic needle]

Yeah from what I remember duskwalker vendetta CD is 65-70s I just went back to look

[gleaming viper]

you can watch raz 🙂

[cunning surge]

Dreadlord's Deceit was a silly option for AoE in PvE content

[fallen current]

mmmm 400k spear crits

[thorn turtle]

True raz is playing assa mostly now

[cunning surge]

I remember it pulping hard, I just never did PvP with it

[thorn turtle]

Pulping, sounds fun

[tiny ember]

shhh 23 runs until i got my trinket it does not get better

[velvet nacelle]

@cunning surge though i think FoK still crits for like 500 so we might be able to get 25k crits

@fallen current if you were only throwing the spear you were doing it wrong

spear vanish hammer

[fallen current]

oh i know

[velvet nacelle]

then orb

[fallen current]

orbs and hammers

[velvet nacelle]

1 phasing the bosses on tyrannical weeks was dumb

[fallen current]

it really was

[cunning surge]

Damn I'd want to try this out in 2s at some point with what we have, granted I'll prob get dumpstered, still worth a try for the meme

[fallen current]

and also hilarious

[velvet nacelle]

although i am going to make my standard disclaimer here and say that those things shouldn't be in mythic+ at all and it should be tuned/balanced around not using them

[grave olive]

is it better to use flagellation when i'm around 4/5 cp, close to spend them, or should i use on cooldown? (i know it's just 2 sec of difference, but don't know if makes difference)

[velvet nacelle]

@cunning surge i'm totally down if you wanna double rogue some stupid games

my 2s rating is only like 1300 so i don't even care if i tank it

[cunning surge]

I'm about to lay down cause super tired, but I will definitely keep that in mind, 2s are always fun but pugging is A S S

[velvet nacelle]

oh not now

i'm trying to finish a work project and you guys are keepign me occupied during builds

[cunning surge]

Ahhhh gotcha gotcha

[velvet nacelle]

dude

efven if it only crits for 20k (400 base crit)

2 of us doing it would instantly melt most people

oh wait, i did math wrong

[cunning surge]

Oh f u c k,

[velvet nacelle]

hah

yeah i need to sleep

[cunning surge]

Still a lot of damage regardless

I am gonna dip for now tho but man, I'm loving the way Sin is looking right now this patch, they definitely needed this buff

[bleak sedge]

im so glad i got that fcuking trinket on first run yesterday. 203 only but ill just upgrade it

Plaguefall pugging is the worst experience in the game

[iron orchid]

Got my second dagger from mists, can't believe farming 3000 was that fast

[bleak sedge]

Ah shit i need that dagger aswell XD

dont remind me ill just ignore it

Would i use zoldyck vs huntsman or do i stay with doomblade? Atm im using zoldyck for Kael and Denathrius only but im unsure about huntsman

[gloomy fern]

if u wanna parse doomblade and muti the shades = r1

[slender trail]

I thought the shades weren’t counted? Or did that change in 9.0.5.

[gloomy fern]

mutilated flesh is bugged on shades atm

[slender trail]

Ohh that, right.

[stoic needle]

Dei... Having daggers????

[lethal notch]

So what's the best legendary this patch? I've read some conflicting things in-game. Is it Zoldyck or Doomblade?

[onyx wind]

as in finished runs?

ive been in around 20 grps with 7 finished 15's

or so

[tiny ember]

finish runs

ofc

I only did in total 23 fucking runs for 3108 valor and then i got it on my 23rd run the damn fucking trinket

[onyx wind]

XD

hope it wont have to go that far

think ill go for 10 15's this week and then

farm the rest out next week when its not braindamaging

[outer siren]

How are you guys enjoying the new asssas?

[crimson palm]

?

it's still the same spec it was in 9.0, there's nothing new apart from a % buff

[inland heath]

for mythic+ stat priority changes?

[onyx wind]

you dont have to reapply SnD

[outer siren]

Apart from the fact it's doing damage now, sorry for not being more specific. How hard is it pumping? hahahaha

[bleak sedge]

Oh jesus there are barely any necro parses on mythic XD

[onyx wind]

assa is pumping pretty hard

for a melee spec

[crimson palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com

[outer siren]

Eh when all the top logs have every rogue receiving 4 + PI's on the kill, rather ask people just playing it first hand

[onyx wind]

"all the top logs"

[crimson palm]

then dont look at the top logs?

[plush bronze]

just be glad he isn't asking if it's better than outlaw in m+

[shrewd dawn]

If i change covenants from NF to Venthyr my NF weapons will change to the Venthyr versions?

[wise gull]

okay so look at the second top log

which doesnt have pi

[dull cloak]

imagine not getting pi

[wise gull]

im trying to convince my guild to give me pi

im getting there

slowly

[woven hound]

sorry, what's this pi everyone keeps talking about?

[fallen current]

power infusion

[lofty shell]

time to bribe your guild priest

[woven hound]

thanks

[strange python]

The '2nd Breakfast' of lust

[woven hound]

and i'm guessing all the top logs are asian guilds stacking pi on one guy?

[limber lion]

Not all by any means

There's just a few

[ashen anchor]

[limber lion]

This is my favorite

https://gyazo.com/7f8acca27e7f93ac381b4319373eed7d

15 externals (8 pi, 7 benevolent fairy) and still can't get rank 1

Imagine

[stoic needle]

Get rekt

[ashen anchor]

It's the Quantum Cube diff, I'm telling ya

[strange python]

joke aside, does it actually make a difference. i have a 226 one catching dust in my bags

in raid environment

[limber lion]

Quantum is actually really bad for such long kills.

[ashen anchor]

I will never be convinced that trinket is not a trap

[desert rain]

Yes How good is IQD for assa pls?

[limber lion]

It's pretty dank in 2-3 minute fights though

I would highly recommend using it on short fights (so on stacked heroic runs only)

But when it's closer to 5-6 minutes, it's really hit or miss.

[desert rain]

What about the Sir trinket?

[limber lion]

Sire trinket is really, really good for all raid content.

[desert rain]

OK ty

[limber lion]

Just make sure to sim yourself. Still need a high enough ilvl trinket for it to be worth using.

A 226 memory still wins a 220 Dreadfire.

[desert rain]

I have 220 Dreadfire, 207 phial, 213 memory and 213 chains from sludge

And 226 IQD

Most of time they Sims about equal with the IQD in top

But I feel like its a trap when prog

[limber lion]

Yeah, I would just trust the 220 Dreadfire in this case.

IQD is really bait and rarely gets the maximum value out of it on longer fights.

[desert rain]

Dreadfire + Chains looks like the play to me

[limber lion]

You really need to get the weak aura for it to be even considered using.

[stoic needle]

They really should lower the range of the other effects

[limber lion]

For IQD that is

Yeah the stat thing is the last thing on the priority list.

[uneven summit]

Skulkers / dreadfire yay

[desert rain]

I have it with the macro ton prevent execute but still

[limber lion]

Execute is the penultimate thing on the list

Then there's restore mana, restore hp, remove cc, remove threat etc.

Just useless junk that prio higher

[stoic needle]

The execute kinda slaps tho

[desert rain]

Skulkers is?

[limber lion]

It does for sure

[crimson palm]

you can play around all of them, apart from mana which you need to plan out from previous exp.

[limber lion]

Yeah for sure. It's a 3 min cooldown as well, so unless the fight lasts exactly 6 minutes and 2 seconds, then delaying it to actually get the stats/execute would be the play

[crimson palm]

its good on all bosses but shriek

bit rng-ish on sludge depending how good your disc is

[stoic needle]

Which pair of legs are we farming for valor to fill the leg slot for zoldyck? The top ones?

[limber lion]

It's pretty bad on Sun King as well

[crimson palm]

who cares about sun king

xd

[limber lion]

Exactly

:^)

[crimson palm]

i afk on the pillar until shield

absolute snoozefest of a boss

[slender trail]

is sbs affected by zold?

[limber lion]

I got the ones from Spire, haste/vers

[desert rain]

If I'm using IQD, what stat do I want from the buff?

[crimson palm]

u want crit so u get 34%

then ur mut gives u 4 cp

[desert rain]

I feel like that's RNG too unless haste is as good as crit here

[quasi oar]

that guy is mental

[crimson palm]

[jovial oriole]

Think assassination could be worth on on 19+ keys on tyrannical? Im necrolord

[quasi oar]

have you seen his other logs?

[limber lion]

Yes

[gentle gyro]

@stoic needle
https://i.imgur.com/dHrvUfZ.png

i cannot get a bigger crit

[coral imp]

sin prob bis on NW

[limber lion]

This on Sludge?

[gentle gyro]

first boss MoTS xD

[coral imp]

in like 19+

[limber lion]

Ahh

My biggest hit on Sludge is 51k, but that was in 9.0 with the MA legendary

[desert rain]

Necro seems fun in m+ actually

[limber lion]

With Doomblade I my highest is 34k

😦

I guess it's the NS

[ebon hull]

I'm still in a dilemma of what to do, whether to go full assassination using MA + Doomblood or whether to use assassination and outlaw.

[gentle gyro]

this was in execute with zoldycks

don't think doomblade can beat that

[coral imp]

why wouldnt it

[jovial oriole]

RIght now i'm sin for ST fights in raids and Outlaw for cleave and m+ 🙂

[limber lion]

Zoldyck doesn't increase Envenom's damage?

[crimson palm]

every fight is a st fight

[jovial oriole]

gotta look good on damage meter 😎

[midnight sierra]

necro has a lot of cool interactions wtih sin

[worldly sedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[worldly sedge]

I still think sin works fine in keystones, but then again i'm not doing excessively high keys

[grim hawk]

what soulbind do you guys use for m+? (venthyr)

[worldly sedge]

nadjia is pretty cool, she gives free haste and doesn't afraid of anything

[limber lion]

Theotar with Wasteland

[worldly sedge]

Is theotar optimal now?

I was doing Nadjia with Dauntless Duelist

[limber lion]

Generally Theotar is used in AoE and Nadjia in ST.

[worldly sedge]

Ah, makes sense.

[grim hawk]

yeah i am too but dauntless feels like a huge waste

theotar it is then!

[worldly sedge]

Well it's only a waste because our conduits are relatively trash

I shouldn't shit on our conduits really because there are classes out there with way worse options.

[limber lion]

Really? Which classes?

[grim hawk]

i thought assas had the worst potency ones :D

[worldly sedge]

They're not great, but at least we have well-placed steel, right?

[onyx wind]

Ive done so many pf15's now and i cant break 6k dps lol

this dungeon sucks mannn

[limber lion]

It's not a great conduitr

[worldly sedge]

It's not great but it's a direct damage upgrade which I always welcome tbh

[limber lion]

That's why it's not used on Nadjia with Lash and we just use Dauntless

[worldly sedge]

+10-15% damage on your poison isn't the worst in the world

Lash is just really good, and Dauntless just turns out to be better. 3% total damage increase including melee is pretty nice

[limber lion]

Every 25s

[worldly sedge]

Yeah every 25s you get a nice buff to poison which is kinda nice? It could be better of course

[limber lion]

Also potency conduits are just that. Things to buff your damage.

[worldly sedge]

I really like Outlaw's conduits tbh

Yeah you are right.

[limber lion]

That's because CtO is actually op.

[worldly sedge]

I feel like we'll be complaining about conduits a lot more once Lashing Scars has been taken out back and shot

[quasi oar]

btw

[dull cloak]

anything but count the odds is really mediocre. outlaw easily gets away with 1 potency

[quasi oar]

is this guy next gen with his talent choices or PIs simply do the work?

[worldly sedge]

CtO is pretty damn good lmao

I feel like honestly it's the only thing keeping Outlaw viable

[coral imp]

shorter fights that talent choice is better

[limber lion]

It's just the PI's.

[coral imp]

u can try simming it

it sims better for me sub 4

[limber lion]

Those talent choices are awful especially if you get PI's so often

Vigor falls down the more haste you have and this guy has perma-PI

Not sure what he's thinking

[dull cloak]

he couldve ran ds tbh

[coral imp]

besides the vigor*

yeah

[limber lion]

Could've and should've

[thorn plover]

its not just PI, i think he's getting some night fae priest simping too

[dull cloak]

pi is 15 haste right?

[quasi oar]

chinese rogues man

[frigid kestrel]

Dude has like 24 Pi’s on a separate run

[quasi oar]

ye i know was just wondering

[worldly sedge]

mate i'm gagging for one PI

[thorn plover]

off the top of my head i think pi is 20% haste

[worldly sedge]

25% i think

[dull cloak]

lol no one knows pi value off top of head

[lofty shell]

25

[frigid kestrel]

Get that PI and That Flag and you got like almost perm hero

[thorn plover]

PI + warrior banner + kyrian druid buff

a god amongst men

[onyx wind]

His talents make sense if hes getting PI

Wouldnt go those if ur not

[limber lion]

And NF priest

[upbeat pike]

Guys, is it worth to change to venthyr for progression? Currently me and my guild are stuck in sludgefist / stone legion. I am night fae and have my renown at 40

[onyx wind]

Yes its worth

[dull cloak]

kyrian druid buff shows up as druidd damage i think

[onyx wind]

But its not required

So if you dont want to swap, you dont have to at all

[quasi oar]

i would think DS makes more sense if you're getting PIs, no?

[onyx wind]

Probably

[upbeat pike]

I ask because I was thinking if the single target dps was really better as a venthyr

[lofty shell]

i tried both in raid at 24% haste (first time assa) and felt like vigor just played a bit smoother

[onyx wind]

Idk with u guys, but assa feels so rng on pull

If i get 2x 2 cp muts im just

so sad

[dull cloak]

NF is fine for those fights, i wouldnt change. you have to regrind renown

[onyx wind]

and my opener goes from 15k to 10k

:(

[upbeat pike]

I gotta swap leggo also

[onyx wind]

single target dps is a lot better as a venthyr

[thorn plover]

Swap venthyr becuase you get red blades

[onyx wind]

but its absolutely not required to swap

[lofty shell]

ugh guess ill have to make the jump

bye elysian hold

[onyx wind]

oh

[lofty shell]

into the basement i go

[onyx wind]

if ur kyrian then its required LOL

i was kyrian and i gained like

[lofty shell]

yee im kyrian boi from outlaw still

[onyx wind]

700 dps from swapping XD

[lofty shell]

but can't let my fully upgraded transport network go

[onyx wind]

You get so much anima now, it doesnt feel that bad

[limber lion]

Even Outlaw doesn't use Kyrian anymore

[lofty shell]

ye guess i'll bite the bullet and swap and get some much needed practice in while grinding renown

i know 😦

they all went necro

could anyone explain to me what vanish does actually in the assa rotation

if you play master assasin all it does is make u crit ?

[limber lion]

Only 4 more dungeons to go and I'll have my maxed out 220 Phial

[limber lion]

Yeah it makes your abilities crit.

[lofty shell]

i was trying to match vanish with vendetta but havent a clue why

[frigid kestrel]

= Juicy Envenoms in Shiv window

[limber lion]

If you use the Master Assa legendary you'll crit with every Mutilate so you get 4cp per Muti and then you crit with Envenom as well

[lofty shell]

i mean master assa talent * my bad

[frigid kestrel]

Same concept as lego

[limber lion]

Yeah it's similar for the talent as well, but it's just a bit more rng because it's 50%

And it's just 3s instead of 4

[lofty shell]

ah makes a bit more sense now

[limber lion]

It's a big burst window.

Every time I do Sludge, I'm #1 in damage on the first pillar because of the burst provided by MA

[worldly sedge]

mmmm ma

[lofty shell]

i think i popped vendetta on pull on sludge lmfao

[limber lion]

It's a really fun legendary, but doesn't really work everywhere. Has its niche

[lofty shell]

then i remembered its not AR

[worldly sedge]

weirdly enough, does ma talent still affect trinkets and items within NW for example?

[limber lion]

Yeh, don't wanna do that

Unless of course you lust 2nd or 4th pillar

[limber lion]

No and it never has.

[worldly sedge]

oof.

[lofty shell]

only the legendary used to

[limber lion]

The legendary only affected trinkets/NW weapons. There's still some people spreading misinformation about it.

[slender trail]

cev, when you ground renown to 30+ in a week, did you say you did raids first?

[limber lion]

Yeh, I did the calling first to unlock my Soulbind. The second I got my soulbind, I went to raid

[worldly sedge]

i got 20 renown in the first day my hunter got to 60 just by doing raid finder and heroics

[strange python]

so is DS actually better than vigor?

[limber lion]

For Venthyr, yes.

[fossil wraith]

can somebody tell me we would run haste + crit over crit + mastery in m+? haste has little to 0 value in packs where we generate endless energy via poisons anyways?

[limber lion]

It still sims higher for some of the other covenants as well, but it requires a bit more haste to sim above Vigor.

[slender trail]

anyone know if sbs is affected by zold?

[limber lion]

The thing is your poisons/bleeds scale with haste. The more haste you have, the faster they do their damage

Haste is by no means a dead stat in AoE/M+

[worldly sedge]

can't damage packs without energy, the haste gives you energy to spend on your FoK

[stoic needle]

Haste / crit is the bis stat distribution for m+

[worldly sedge]

well, it both directly influences and also because of venemous wounds

[stoic needle]

Maybe some vers too if you're pushing high keys

[limber lion]

Yes

I remember at the end of BFA when Outlaw's went 9x Versatile and full versa gems/enchants for the +30 keys

It was insane

[strange python]

so probably better to go double potency over dauntless with the mythic sludgefist conduit huh?

[wise gull]

Are there any communities for parse runs or anything? Or do I just need to get in on sale runs?

[rapid laurel]

It was the only way to not die back then

[wise gull]

parsing in pugs is pain

[limber lion]

No

[rapid laurel]

Corruptions were crazy

[fossil wraith]

only need 3 ruptures up for endless energy -

[limber lion]

Dauntless Duelist > double potency

[worldly sedge]

ye pretty much

[stoic needle]

You actually need 5-6 bleeds up for endless energy

[strange python]

even with a 226 maim thingy?

[limber lion]

Yes

[stoic needle]

Maim mangle is terrible

[rapid laurel]

I dauntless best in aoe as well?

[stoic needle]

It's only really viable for non venthyr because of how good dauntless is

No for aoe you run theotar

[fossil wraith]

i disagree since id need SO much haste for just 1 tick more and mastery much less so for equivalent dmg? in BFA crit mastery was meta for aoe dmg, dont see why it should change + when i look at streams (infexious) he also recommends crit mastery over haste

[limber lion]

Yo Osh you got a weak aura for Osh?

[rapid laurel]

Oh fuck I thought the haste proc from killing adds would be better

[wise gull]

for aoe I switch to outlaw

[limber lion]

INFEXIOUS IS AWFUL DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM

[stoic needle]

I actually love that you can use theotar for outlaw and sin at the same time

[strange python]

you mean nadja?

[limber lion]

He's literally a really bad rogue who spreads misinformation

[stoic needle]

Because outlaw is bis with double potency for law, and with wasteland for sin

[limber lion]

Also the reason why crit/mastery was the thing was because we were running 3x shrouded and 3x echoing blades

[strange python]

oh well same is for nadja isnt it

[fossil wraith]

:D:D i dont know what to believe nowadays but thx for your input!

[lofty shell]

wait wut

[wise gull]

believe ceverion

[fossil wraith]

true indeed

[lofty shell]

theotar on law is good in m+

?

[wise gull]

infexious is a meme

[stoic needle]

Yes, why wouldn't it be

[fossil wraith]

all the better only farmed crit haste for raids anyways

[stoic needle]

Mastery = more main gauche damage = more blade flurry damage

[lofty shell]

ahh ye and apparently mastery gains value using KS build

[rapid laurel]

I would just rather not play outlaw ever

[strange python]

ok maybe ill try that then

[stoic needle]

If you look at the pins in law theotar sims higher than nadjia for aoe

[wise gull]

outlaw is most fun in m+

[rapid laurel]

That’s an opinion

[lofty shell]

i just loved my boi mikanikos in m+

[wise gull]

solely because of acrobatic strikes

i feel like im ranged

[stoic needle]

I play all rogue specs

Sin one trick no more

[wise gull]

same

i started as a sub onetrick

then i got convinced to play outlaw in m+

now im here

[lofty shell]

[fossil wraith]

assa is definetly more engaging imo

[stoic needle]

Outlaw is just more flexible for pugging and boosting

[limber lion]

I play all specs as well, I just enjoy Assa the most by far.

[rapid laurel]

I only liked assassination in bfa and I’m only gonna play rogue when assassination is viable

[stoic needle]

I definitely enjoy sin the best though

[limber lion]

Like I'm doing my Valor farming as Outlaw

No way I'm doing that as assa

[lofty shell]

i really like outlaw but it's really nice how all 3 rogue specs have super different playstyle

while theyre based around the same thing with different names

[stoic needle]

Idk doomblade sin is giga on tyrannical plaguefall

And top

Which are the dungeons I need to farm

[lofty shell]

top for?

[wise gull]

im going for the all 99s on all 3 specs triple whammy before 9.1

(on heroic)

[rapid laurel]

If you run doom blade do you just fan of knives for poisons and mutilate packs?

[modest glen]

How far ahead are assa now for st?

[rapid laurel]

I think they are too now

[limber lion]

That sounds fun, maybe I'll give that a go as well

[rapid laurel]

Top*

[lofty shell]

one of the best pure ST specs atm

[stoic needle]

You still fok on 4+ nothing changes

[rapid laurel]

Oh

[modest glen]

So i am finally going asss woop

[rapid laurel]

Just kind of seems like a dead legendary to run on m+

[stoic needle]

Not really

[bright pewter]

hey so I just boosted a rogue, uhhh I dont understand the poison

when do I take what

[stoic needle]

There's dungeons like top and pf where you always do small pulls

[bright pewter]

or ccna u take all 3

[stoic needle]

And depending on your group comp and affix combo if you have a coordinated group that can afford for you to int on aoe packs you could probably run it in other dungeons and be fine

Trading trash damage for boss dmg

Like if u run boomkin fire mage rogue.. u weren't doing much to those trash packs to begin with

[rapid laurel]

I feel like for a dungeon like plague fall you’d want the execute damage for the bloodlust final boss tho

[strange python]

Just played some lfr bosses for fun and man.....Sin is really fun while not being as punishing and hard as Sub. Really happy with Sin right now from a gameplay perspective

[lofty shell]

u can have 1 damage poison and 1 utility poison active

instant+mind numbing is used the most, for assa instant becomes deadly poison tho

[stoic needle]

The execute isn't really neccesary when you do so much more damage with doomblade

[bright pewter]

oh okkk

[rapid laurel]

I want tiny toxic blade to get 1000% damage buff so I can one button nuke

[stoic needle]

[rapid laurel]

Huehue

[lofty shell]

rogue ranged spec confirmed

[dense bramble]

would be a fun anima power

[stoic needle]

I definitely wouldn't pug with doomblade though tbf

[rapid laurel]

I wouldn’t pug as assassination at all

Lol

[chrome canopy]

...

they are the top damage spec on several bosses now in nathria

when was the last time you checked warcraft logs?

the sin dream is real

[frigid kestrel]

I think they talking bout Keys

[rapid laurel]

Assa has better single two and three target dps than all the other specs

[chrome canopy]

ahh

[frigid kestrel]

But... im like wrong %75 of the time

[chrome canopy]

ya rough go in keys

[ashen anchor]

The pug world only knows what the general teams are in the MDI, so Sin pugging is rough

[strange python]

loving it after being Sub for so long and feeling neglected when it comes to PvE

[rapid laurel]

Just feels wrong in a way that sub got baseline aoe spender but we didn’t

[stoic needle]

I got Ksm pugging as sin

And outdpsed nearly every boomkin and fire mage in the keys I ran

[ashen anchor]

Says more about them than it does about sin tbh

[eternal wave]

We made it bois

[rapid laurel]

Lol

[cerulean junco]

Lol

[rapid laurel]

Not a single piece of gear

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-delete-this-gif-9348268

[limber lion]

teach me senpai

[eternal wave]

I'm the fastest fucking Rogue alive

[strange python]

damn

[rapid laurel]

That looks so nice

Now delete it and leave

[stoic needle]

Imagine not being a mastery stacking Chad who cares about dps it's all about the envenoms

[rustic thunder]

lmao

[rapid laurel]

Crit mastery the dream

[strange python]

have something like 18 haste, 18 crit , 32 mast and 13 vers. questioning my rogue existence right now

[chrome canopy]

anybody have info on necro doomblade build for st?

[stoic needle]

But the envenoms go brr

[rapid laurel]

I have 18 crit 27 haste 13 vers and 26 mastery

[eternal wave]

Oof

Honestly though, is this what 0% body fat feels like?

[stoic needle]

It's the same as the regular doomblade build for any other covenant

[eternal wave]

Not that I'd ever know IRL

[rapid laurel]

Lol

[wise gull]

i never want to step foot in a dungeon again after all of the valor farm i just did

[chrome canopy]

ya but does the additional 5% increase make it better than venth? assuming they're gonna nerf flag real soon

[stoic needle]

I've got 25% crit 19% haste 23% mastery 14% vers

[rapid laurel]

Now you have to get the items to upgrade them

[stoic needle]

They won't nerf flag and no it doesn't

[wise gull]

im 100 valor off 220 phial

that's the only item i need

[strange python]

f mastery, I swear 😂

[stoic needle]

Y'all are haters

[rapid laurel]

Does the multilate conduit buff doom blade btw?

[cerulean junco]

Inc vault phial

[stoic needle]

The size of your envenom is the only thing that matters

[rustic thunder]

in realistic scenarios, is necro that much worse than venthyr? i know theoretically venthyr is much stronger but looking through logs, once i skip over the absolute mad lads from china with their PI's, it looks like venthyr has a slight advantage - but i dunno, probably skill matters more

[wise gull]

id regret nothing

[chrome canopy]

i would imagine

its an additional bleed

[wise gull]

im gettin close to bis

except ill never get 233s

[rapid laurel]

Necro wins on any target above 1

[eternal wave]

Have you guys seen the current rank 1 Rogue on Sludge btw?

The amount of PIs shoved up his rear is disgusting

[stoic needle]

There's a top log with kyrian right now on huntsman. Your covenant has never mattered more than your skill

[wise gull]

Assa is a valid PI now tho

[limber lion]

Look at the rank 2 Council

[rapid laurel]

But In general necro lord will give you less energy problems in sustained target fights

[quiet sinew]

Any chads that played Assa for a while in Shadowlands? Trying to get an idea which legendary is more fun/practical to play with: Doomblade or Dashing Scoundrel. Since the dps difference is very minimal. Trying to see which one to craft 235 right away

[chrome canopy]

go doomblade

[rapid laurel]

Venthyr ability gives a potential of 30% haste and that just fucking crazy

[eternal wave]

What

[stoic needle]

Doomblade is way more fun because big envenom number = bis

[eternal wave]

the actual fuck?

is that?

[wise gull]

imagine getting 8 pi, being 2 ilvl higher and still losing

[rapid laurel]

Is it per bleed on the target for doom blade

[chrome canopy]

yes

[rapid laurel]

Or is it per bleed

[stoic needle]

There's nothing more fun than casual 25k envenoms

Per bleed on target

[rustic thunder]

[lofty shell]

actually true

i didn't hit 25k ones but still big

[rapid laurel]

Like if you used the aoe spender on 8 targets would envenom be buffed by 40%?

Oh ok

[limber lion]

No

It's on "your target"

[stoic needle]

God could you imagine

The funnel would be absolutely ridiculous

[limber lion]

3 more dungeons for 220 phial

[fluid blaze]

hey peeps i have a question with the unscrutable device trinket - since it's 3M cd do I use it on CD or always paired with vendetta - flag?

[limber lion]

Then we poppin

[limber lion]

You use it on CD as long as you get the stats/execute from it

So if you're about to heal a buddy or give them mana, don't use it

[umbral pebble]

can anyone explain me why so many people play inerva trinket on ST fights like sludgefist?

[limber lion]

Because it sims the highest.

It's just a really good trinket

[gusty mirage]

And it gets better when others in your raid use it

[wise gull]

double on use trinkets are op on sludge

[fluid blaze]

and about the vendetta and flagellation do I use Flag on CD aswell or always with vendetta ? so im losing 30secs of it

[lofty shell]

inerva trink is pretty gucci

[gusty mirage]

[lofty shell]

amg what u doin in here

[gusty mirage]

I’m an assa boy now

[lofty shell]

i'm trying to be

[fluid blaze]

nd about the vendetta and flagellation do I use Flag on CD aswell or always with vendetta ?

[gusty mirage]

On CD unless it won’t cause you to lose a cast like at the end of the boss fight

[ebon hull]

Can I ask a question?

[stoic needle]

No

[fluid blaze]

ok perfect cause I was holding it for vendetta

[stoic needle]

No questions allowed

Jk go ahead

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Welcome to the cool kids area

[limber lion]

Just make sure to pool a little before using it

[lofty shell]

soon, going to sinfall when i get off work xD

[fluid blaze]

I have the anima charged battery trinket to pair with every 1m30

[stoic needle]

Man

[gusty mirage]

Cev and Osh are our resident smart people that are super cool and super helpful. Whispyr is awesome too but he’s been spicy lately

[rapid laurel]

I wonder if exsanguinate is the play on sludge

[stoic needle]

Nope exsang is poop

[rapid laurel]

😦

[limber lion]

You're super cool

[stoic needle]

We did a sim and it's worse than alacrity even at literally max haste

By we I mean whispyr

[limber lion]

I actually love playing around Exsang.

I'm kinda sad that it's not any good

[gusty mirage]

no u

[polar cape]

Shrouded suffocation need to be a talent T.T

[gusty mirage]

You’re not wrong

[limber lion]

It was a bit too much honestly. They just need to fix Exsang

[gusty mirage]

It’d be cool to have, or cake in a bit of the extra damage to garrote to exsang maybe?

[limber lion]

I'm so annoyed that my hand hurts so much when on the computer.

I've been trying to find ways to relieve the pain and/or negate it completely, but it's not happening

[rapid laurel]

Evasion rogue ranged tank alchemy heal spec when?

[limber lion]

Carpel Tunnel Syndrome on the way.

[lofty shell]

sounds like it

support ur wrists bro

[gleaming eagle]

rift is the only game

where they have a rogue tank

interesting kind of tanking too

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's weird because I moved a lot of my keybinds to my mouse because my left hand was hurting. Now my right hand hurts instead, but it's always hurting on the pinkie-area and not the thumb where I actually press my buttons

[strange python]

why do so many top assassins play with Deeper Strategem? Because they have more then enough haste?

[plain thistle]

sims better

[silent tinsel]

Rift also went Hella p2w

[limber lion]

I'm guessing it's something to do with the ulnar nerves

[gleaming eagle]

i dont sim better with deeper

maybe venthyr?

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

me neither

[lofty shell]

if it's something that's going on for a while wouldn't be bad to have it checked out perhaps

[plain thistle]

yup

[gleaming eagle]

ah venthyr

[limber lion]

It's the BiS choice for Venthyr usually, and starts to pull ahead for others when they're at really high haste levels

[strange python]

ah ok, because venthyr gives you haste

thanks guys

[limber lion]

Requires a disgusting amount of haste though

[rapid laurel]

I bet envenom windows feel shit and sluggish with DS

[lofty shell]

i would swear my kyrian sim said vigor and Ds were pretty close

[gleaming eagle]

more like awkward

[lofty shell]

let me check

[gleaming eagle]

imagine having 5 cp

and forced to use mutilate

just for that 1 point

lol

[wise gull]

i feel like such an idiot for not doing the maw whatsoever

[plush umbra]

Still night fae, deeper sims higher for me as well, that's with 750 haste though

[wise gull]

i could have had +100 dps

but nope

lazy

[gleaming eagle]

i have low haste

[plush umbra]

But fuck me the opener feels shit with deeper as non venthyr

[gleaming eagle]

thats probably why

[strange python]

the maw sucks though

[gleaming eagle]

im nf

sepsis is bae

[lofty shell]

wouldn't u just envenom at 5 tho

[rapid laurel]

The opener feels shit even as venthyr

[plain thistle]

but you dont, you just finish with 5

[wise gull]

sepsis

[strange python]

and with season 2 the socket item gets worthless anyway

[gleaming eagle]

some ppl would i guess, i would just do everything at 6

idk

thats just me

[wise gull]

but its not season 2

[rapid laurel]

Yeah if u run deeper you don’t aim for 6 combo spenders you aim for 5 or 6 if the mutilate lines up properly

[wise gull]

+100 dps means more 99 parses

[topaz gazelle]

is there a summary of necro vs venth somewhere ?

[rapid laurel]

Since the envenom reset buff I just feels easier to run stratagem in longer fights because you barely have to reapply rupture at 6 combos

[lofty shell]

thats wasting a lot of cp potentially 😛

imagine critting mut at 5 cp

[rapid laurel]

Imagine critting

[strange python]

lol

[rapid laurel]

With all this haste and verse

[limber lion]

Yeh you wanna finish at 4-5 combo points with Vigor and 5-6 with DS. I think even 4cp is fine, if you Envenom and use Doomblade. But that could just be feelcrafty.

But garrote/shiv are good tools to fill in those missing 1-2 cp points

Much better to reapply garrote a second earlier and get a 5cp finisher

[rapid laurel]

Yeah I usually just pool energy at 4 combo points and then shiv vanish envenom

[young hawk]

Anyone got a somewhat decent sin opener, mine is fucking dogwater

[stoic needle]

You doing your hand stretches?

[strange python]

at what covenant level is venthyr better then Nightfae with full Niya?

[young hawk]

what is ur sin oepener

[strange python]

mut

or what do you mean?

[lofty shell]

when using vanish like that u either mut or envenom, correct ?

or is it optimal to envenom first and make sure ur at full cp

[limber lion]

Yeah, I try to but it gets tired really quickly. Maybe I need to invest in a wrist-support

[stoic needle]

Gar/mut/snd/mut/vend/flag/rup(subterfuge)

Or

Mut/snd/mut/gar/vend/flag/rup(ma talent)

[strange python]

the 2nd one

[limber lion]

Add gar before vend and you gucci

[stoic needle]

Can you tell I never run ma talent?

[limber lion]

😄

[young hawk]

then u vanish into evenom?

[limber lion]

Then you shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti

[stoic needle]

With MA yes, with subterfuge no

[limber lion]

Gotta shiv first, my boy

[stoic needle]

With subterfuge you hold vanish to refresh garotte in pandemic

[limber lion]

I'm happy Assa is seeing so much traction

[gloomy fern]

spec to hard

[edgy notch]

When playing ma talent and deeper strat and i get 3 or 4 combo points in the ma window after vanish-envenom, do i envenom in the last second of ma window or do i mutilate to 5/6 combopoints?

[limber lion]

Muti, especially at 3cp.

[silent tinsel]

Are pins worth checking?

[gloomy fern]

no ask here instead

and perhaps u will get guidance by unknown ppl

[royal lantern]

carpal tunnel syndrom? should look up some streches for them or you gonna regreat it in the future mate

that shit is no joke, trust me

[lofty shell]

lol

[edgy notch]

ok, so muti on 4 too?

[lucid igloo]

do you keep flagellation for vendetta?

[frigid kestrel]

After 14 PF Runs I got my Phial

Now onto DOS.....

[cloud reef]

just get it in the weekly vault

[fading sparrow]

5x runs yesterday, 5x infinitely divisible ooze. Sadge

[frigid kestrel]

Never even thought of that

[cloud reef]

I got you bro

i only got it this reset

i forgot about it too

but next week just get it

and youre fine

[frigid kestrel]

Dead ass think imma wait to upgrade my Phial, because i swear Blizz likes fucking with me

[cloud reef]

my secret was i /pray before opening

and there it was

whispyr should pin that

100% success rate

[frigid kestrel]

@balmy condor You heard the man, pin that shit

[rocky ruin]

has anyone the problem that you always kicked out of stealth in some mythics?

sometimes

[cloud reef]

Which keys

and not really, nothing that ive noticed

[rocky ruin]

HoA. SoA mostly at start of the dung

[dense axle]

Have you checked your combat log for things hitting you?

[rocky ruin]

nah didnt think about it

maybe i was kinda distract and didnt pay attention at the end

[rustic thunder]

how do i grind renown the fastest?

LFR?

[slender berry]

get a premade group to spam hc dungeons

[digital zodiac]

do you guys pop flag on cooldown?

[vagrant delta]

The pack in HoA before 3rd boss usually pulls you out of stealth. Haven't found a way to avoid it

[stoic needle]

I think it's from the Goliath doing the fake rebellious fist

[keen tree]

hi guys - i've not really played my rogue much this xpac. I tried outlaw for the first time but i missed sin. Is sin stronger now in 9.0.5? Is that just for raid or for m+ also? And.. should I be venthyr if i want do pvp, m+ AND hc raiding?

[cold sparrow]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[lofty shell]

flag is kinda broken in pvp from what i heard, if they nerfed reverb in pvp they gonna do it to flag too i'd imagine

[vagrant delta]

Outlaw is stronger in m+, sin for most in the raid and sub is dead. I still play sin for m+ though because I want to play a rogue and not a budget warrior. No idea about pvp

[keen tree]

YESSSS im with you 🙂

@vagrant delta man you just made me happy dude. im going to do some research but sounds like first thing is to switch my rogue out of kyrian and in to venthyr.. is doomblade a good all round lego for m+ AND raid (and possibly pvp)?

I'll get reading . Excited to be back on my rogue!!!

[limber lion]

Doomblade is the go-to legendary on Raid, but not in M+. You'd run Zoldyck in M+

[vagrant delta]

I think zoldyk is a better all rounder imo. Doomblade is more ST

[limber lion]

Pretty sure that MA is still the go-to for PvP.

[keen tree]

MA?

ah master assassin

ok

[digital zodiac]

is MA viable in M+ if i only have that or doomblade

[limber lion]

Yes

[digital zodiac]

how does it work with the free garrots tho

would i prio muti + envenoms instead of getting bleeds up?

[limber lion]

No, you still put 3-4 garrotes up even if you have MA.

It just brings a lot of ST focus damage on Boss Fights/Pride and it also bursts for quite a bit when you have 3 empowered garrotes, 2 ruptures and CT up and then you vanish

[digital zodiac]

true

im wondering if Doom is the play this week for tyranical anyway

[limber lion]

Nah, MA still.

[digital zodiac]

okay 😄

[limber lion]

Doomblade is rarely useful in trash packs. Mutilate is only used on 1-3 targets

[limber lion]

Yeah, really need to start doing daily stretching and get some support for my hands. It's awful because I also play the violin/viola and it affects that as well, but wayy less than on the computer. But if I end up fucking my hands up, that's my professional careeer as a musician done as well

[digital zodiac]

ty mate

[keen tree]

wait - so do you use MA or Zoldyik in dungeon?

[silent tinsel]

M council, should you wait till the first attendant dies before unloading cds?

Even on outlaw I'm only getting 2 finishers into flag before it comes in

[vagrant delta]

@keen tree you can do either. I think zoldyk s supposed to be a little better overall

[livid temple]

@keen tree i use zoldycks but you can really use either

[hardy lantern]

I think so, unless ur raid has heavy cds on first attendant and he doesnt cast

[livid temple]

you can even use doomblade for M+

[keen tree]

Ah ok since i have a r1 MA i guess im better off either upgrading that with the 2k soulash i got.. or making a doomblade in case i get to raid?

[royal lantern]

do it man, i have a mild case of it, and doing daily stretches REALLY helps(if you do them right)

[inland heath]

for mythic+ u use mark for death, vigor or deeper?

[stoic needle]

Don't sleep on doomblade for theater of pain and plaguefall

Especially this week

I've used it in both and I can confirm it's good

[vagrant delta]

@inland heath t, it depends on your stats and how good you are at mod sniping

[livid temple]

yeah i honestly would recommend running doomblade on tryan weeks for sure, especially if you run with either a firemage or hunter, by the time i get rolling on half of the pulls they are basically dead..

[hardy lantern]

In raid do you wait 30 sec on flagellation so you can use it with Vendetta or do you use it off cd?

[stoic needle]

On CD

Only hold if you don't think you will get another flag in before the fight is over

[livid temple]

yeah on CD unless you feel like you wont get the full benefit

[hardy lantern]

And with shiv do you wait to pull energy so you can fit in more envenom or you use it off cd?

[stoic needle]

You use it on cd, but if you pool around envenoms(only use at 70%+) you will naturally have energy for shiv

[dense bramble]

does it really worth snd with 4 combo when only 1 will be enought?

[vagrant delta]

I try to pool before using shiv

[strange python]

do your covenant specific potencies transfer to your new covenant?

meaning I get the equivalent venthyr potency instead of the nightfae one

[stoic needle]

It's not really that SND with 4cp is better or worse, it's been simmed and there isn't a noticeable difference either way

[stoic needle]

Nope

[strange python]

lol 😦

[livid temple]

@strange python bank some stygia likely the covenant conduit will be your lowest one, use the venari upgrades if you dont get lucky from the world boss

[vagrant delta]

Callings can drop it too, I got a 200 out of all 3 of my first callings

[strange python]

good idea

[stoic needle]

Ye don't waste stygia on venari unless you're trying to get 226

You can get 213 from sire

Personally I think sockets are a better use of stygia they are more dps than 213>226 lashing

[vagrant delta]

Is the 213 from heroic sire?

[stoic needle]

Especially now that gear is upgradable

Yeah

I have a feeling that blizzard will increase the ilvl cap of valor gear

[strange python]

ok tahnks

[charred mango]

when running with the master assasin tallent, is it better to use the 3 gcds after vanish with Envenom (At full cp)-mut-envenom or Mut-envenom-mut?

[livid temple]

213 is from heroic sire but the drop rate isnt 100%

[stoic needle]

So those sockets might last a while but I could be wrong

[stoic needle]

Env mut env

[charred mango]

ok ty

[ember rover]

What's Venthyr opener with Deeper?

Ambush => Slice => Garrote => Muti => Rupture and then?

[limber lion]

No

Mut - Slice - Mut - Gar - Vend - Flag - Rup - Shiv - Vanish - Mut - Env - Mut

[ember rover]

Dont you want garrote up as fast as possible?

[limber lion]

You put it up right after Master Assa ends

You want to use 2 mutilates during Master Assa window

[inland heath]

and if u dont use MA leggo

[limber lion]

Talking about the talent

[dire phoenix]

Hello i am thinking to switch from outlaw to Sin what lego should i craft ? doomsblade for raiding ?

[inland heath]

so we dont use subterguge ?

[ember rover]

Ah it's 3s now, I see

[inland heath]

D:

[ember rover]

Ok makes sense, more CPs from mut in MA window

[limber lion]

Not on ST.

[inland heath]

oh k

[limber lion]

Yes

[dire phoenix]

ty on gloves right ? @limber lion

[vagrant delta]

@dire phoenix if you are looking to get mythic slg shoulders, otherwise it's not a big deal

[dire phoenix]

nah we are at council so i guess i might never get them

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter, just use whichever you get a better upgrade for. Say you have 207 shoulders and 220 gloves, you would get Doomblade Shoulders

[limber lion]

I would still go gloves if you're actually progressing mythic tbh

You never know

[ember rover]

Wait, you dont open with Ambush? @limber lion

[vagrant delta]

Don't use ambush unless it's free

[dire phoenix]

shoulders and gloves are both 226 so i will go for gloves since my gloves are haste / vers and my shoulders ver /crit

[limber lion]

No

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[strange python]

just tried assa on huntsman felt great without a leggo

my question is do you keep the dots up on the dogs as much as u can ?

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/e8a9d7b7192fd20f45b61125c9b84718
We've done it

[stoic needle]

Yes, but don't run across the room to dot a dog unless you can use a movement ability to get back asap

[limber lion]

Yes, you want to have garr/rupture (and CT) on both targets at all times.

[strange python]

absolutely jealous

[stoic needle]

Phial gaming

[strange python]

true true i waited for the tank to bring them back

thank you

[limber lion]

👼

[pulsar sluice]

SO where do we stand now in the overall raid chart

[strange python]

congrats though

[limber lion]

Top 3 in ST

[icy crater]

inb4 226 from vault next week

[limber lion]

Probably top 5 in overall

[stoic needle]

Imagine

[pulsar sluice]

yeah i know we are top 3 but

[stoic needle]

Going from worst spec in the game to nearly the best

[limber lion]

I'd be both pissed and happy at the same time.

[pulsar sluice]

I meant overall

[limber lion]

Top 5

[silent tinsel]

Wouldn't you vend early with ds opener

[pulsar sluice]

ive been seeing some janky ass charts

in warcraftlogs

[silent tinsel]

For energy

[limber lion]

It's really encounter-based.

It's pretty bad on SKS, not the best in SLG

[icy crater]

someone tried to tell me the sample size on wcl rn doesn't matter

[limber lion]

But on every other boss it pumps

[icy crater]

??????

[limber lion]

l0l

[icy crater]

iTs StIlL rEpReSeNtItIvE

ok bud

[pulsar sluice]

wahts sks

[stoic needle]

Meme king's salvation

[strange python]

I mean if its a upgrade on every boss compred to sub I am already mega happy

[pulsar sluice]

oh

[stoic needle]

Padder's delight

[pulsar sluice]

but those are pad fights

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

Yeh and Assa is not the best padder.

It still does the job of blowing up the shield on the Shade

[stoic needle]

I'd imagine our funnel damage could be decent later on when we have more crit

[pulsar sluice]

cuz i cant convince my guild that assa is good

they are still stuck on pi'ing the dk all the time

[stoic needle]

If you can reliably fok and get 5cp and do like sub does with foK > envenom it has to be some pretty good dmg

[spice spire]

Pi’ing dk is fine though

[final star]

man said stuck

that's what they should be doing

[odd hazel]

i mean, if you want to play sin play it

[final star]

[pulsar sluice]

wym

[stoic needle]

Dk is arguably better than sin for pi with army

[spice spire]

My guild used to PI a monk

[stoic needle]

Dogshit otherwise

[pulsar sluice]

i thought sin > DK after army pull

[spice spire]

Then he rage quit

[final star]

Hunters are better PI target

[stoic needle]

Nah they aren't

Not anymore

[final star]

[pulsar sluice]

yeah

[stoic needle]

They got nerfed hard and we got buffed hard

[quaint phoenix]

Very delusional no? I mean there is facts like logs and stuff, which shows that we have one of the best boss dmg

[pulsar sluice]

they kept telling me that hutners are better to pi

th new spredsheet or w.e

[stoic needle]

The funny thing is you can probably beat them on dps even with pi

[odd hazel]

Sin is very good ST, if they dont see that they dumb

is your guild bad on AoE damage or?

maybe thats why they want you as outlaw?

or

sub(?)

[pulsar sluice]

the thing is, i have

[spice spire]

Are you even comparable in damage? Like if you’re 100-200 off, then logic would state that the haste class would definitely want it

[pulsar sluice]

ill post the log one sec

[stoic needle]

Yikes

[odd hazel]

cant wait to switch to sin for those pure ST fights

[pulsar sluice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1tm82h6NqB3jzQgF/

check mythic

[odd hazel]

beating them on huntsman as sin

reee

[pulsar sluice]

like how am i not a good pi target? lmao

[limber lion]

Sin is the best 2 target specs out of the 3 rogue specs

It's really, really good on 2 targets.

[odd hazel]

i still feel like the others should be doing better

[stoic needle]

Yeah sin kinda obliterates on 2 target cleave