assassination

[gentle gyro]

[iron orchid]

Being necro makes me sim between 6.5 and 6.6k, losing around 100 to 150 dps ^^

but it's really fun

[pastel osprey]

ye but necro is better in multitarget

isnt it ?

[iron orchid]

In longer cleave situation yes

[gentle gyro]

I'm so desperate at this point i'm running +5 dungeons

[pastel osprey]

lol ^^

[wise fiber]

Does Recuperator Conduit synergies with Cut to the chase? or its a waste since you actually dont reaply SnD again?

[pastel osprey]

just get the token from sire

[uneven summit]

Valor only goes to 220 tho right? Just go sire hc kappa

[stoic needle]

Just loot a 226 one from vault

[midnight sierra]

both my daggers are from the wake

[iron orchid]

I got my 3 vault chests in one day, doing 7 Mists 15/16 and then a few more dungeons for valor

[tender fjord]

I really wouldn’t recommend that as the valor costs are gonna be insane

[pastel osprey]

same, with PF for the trinket lol

[grim hornet]

I could take 226 From PvP but cba farming 900 conquest

[pastel osprey]

u have the rating ?

[grim hornet]

Y

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/CXkXXWC.png

may i introduce you

to my weapons

[pastel osprey]

repair them man

[tender fjord]

I want to laugh but my condolences lol

[tender fjord]

Any upgrade is an upgrade then

[iron orchid]

I have two daggers ready and honor capped, but I'm just too bad to get rating

[stiff thicket]

Hello guys are you all proud of me?

[tender fjord]

Neato

[pastel osprey]

how many PI's did u get ?

[iron orchid]

What's that SLG Blue parse man

git gud

[stiff thicket]

Lol it was guild raid

[midnight sierra]

heroic? 🤢

[tender fjord]

100 makes me wonder tho

[stiff thicket]

I can't MM with my guild :(

[tender fjord]

Don’t you have raid leaders shouting in comms to “STOP DPS FFS”

?

[stiff thicket]

It's ilvl parses

[tender fjord]

For sire i mean

[pastel osprey]

zoldyck + ct = win ^^

[stiff thicket]

I am so far away from @ceverion

[tender fjord]

We usually have 5 people shouting on sire to stop dps that I think parses will never be happening there

[shadow helm]

touch of bread?

[stoic needle]

Sire is all about p3

That big execute dam

[stiff thicket]

0

[tender fjord]

My dps with Doomblade in p3 is higher than dps with zoldys in p3... maximum sad

[stoic needle]

[stiff thicket]

Yeah we fucked up don't look at those logs lol

[stoic needle]

Seriously?

[tender fjord]

Although that’s based on 1 fight haha

[iron orchid]

Yesterday, we went to Mists 19 and PF 19 with my team, I didn't stream because I thought we'd only deplete, and we timed both.

RIP content

[tender fjord]

My ilvl went up by 4 as well so there’s multiple factors in play

[pastel osprey]

may i get a link to your stream ? ❤️

[stoic needle]

Getting the valor upgrades has been very cool

[tender fjord]

I saw you added TrufiGCD! Thanks for that!!

[iron orchid]

you can check my discord profile or look for polyvalence_dei on twitch

[tender fjord]

Although after pressing the buttons in the same order as you I still don’t hit your deeps 😂😂 fml

Plan failed successfully

[iron orchid]

Yup, I put it on top, so it doesn't bother me at all

[pastel osprey]

ty

[iron orchid]

I also started running MA in dungeons, and it feels great. I was able to burst down prides, bosses and sometimes packs so fast

being a night elf helps too

[pastel osprey]

my MA is only 190 ilvl 😦

[iron orchid]

Well, many leggos can work as sin in dungeons, I ran doomblade by mistake on Mists yesterday, and it didn't even feel that bad

[shadow helm]

teeter of pain

go sin on top??

[iron orchid]

I can't say, haven't tried top this week, but in tyrannical, I'd say sin cannot be a bad choice for top

If you are trying to push keys, never go for a full ST build anyways

[tender fjord]

Been running Doomblade since Wednesday now and I’m loving it tbh

But still use subt and ct talents to still retain some aoe

[prisma yoke]

hey guys, i keep getting pulled out of stealth in M+ (ooc)
i suspect it has something to do with receiving buffs (arcane int e.g.)
has anyone noticed something similar?

[tender fjord]

Maybe you stood in shit? Or dot on you?

[iron orchid]

I think on tyrannical weeks, to do keys in pug, it can be good. At least you are sure you'll get the ST and small cleave damage done. I prefer MA when playing with my team

[prisma yoke]

negative

[iron orchid]

That's the way yeah

[iron orchid]

There are bugs caused by stampede rush

and hunter's move speed buff

they break stealth for the whole group

[shadow helm]

yolo going sin doomblade on top 15

boost run anyawy

[tropic ocean]

just take more buyers in and u dont need to stop

[tender fjord]

ToP is a good Doomblade dungeon tbh

[neat jacinth]

Hey guys. How hard is it to maintain dots in M+ when you are used to playing specs like hunter or Ret? Really cant decide which rogue Spec i wanne Play for M+

[tropic ocean]

not really hard as they have plenty duration

and stuff usually dies fast in aoe

[tender fjord]

Outlaw seems to be easier and getting higher dps, is more meta

[shadow helm]

outlaw scales bro

[grim hornet]

the S word D:

[ebon bramble]

outlaw scales better

by a lot

@balmy condor

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/3sCoJEU.png
oh look, another pendant

[tender fjord]

The madman did it

[balmy condor]

wha

[ebon bramble]

lol

[balmy condor]

what are we pinging me for

[gentle gyro]

less PoE more WoW

[balmy condor]

but I've been so busy with school

:(

I'm taking a breather

for stream tomorrow

[tender fjord]

I think he’s gone so we can continue

[ebon bramble]

poe...

harvest nerfs

sadness

[tender fjord]

SCALING IS COOL

[verbal mantle]

[gentle gyro]

[balmy condor]

your first assumption is that I ever leave

[tender fjord]

Hahaha

Take care mate, good for you of taking a breather

[shadow helm]

huh should have ran with PB

[wise gull]

Phial

[dim shoal]

Anyone else?

[prisma yoke]

yikes

[eternal wave]

Did 8 of them yesterday

Wanted to gouge my eyeballs out

[dim shoal]

Saw it drop 2 times already

for russians

feelsbadman

[eternal wave]

😦

Mine were even all guild keys

So any drop would've been traded

Sadge

[dim shoal]

But got the crit haste ring 3 times, and wrong trinket once

[north basin]

in 8 plague runs u didnt have some guy to trade u ?XD

[cunning surge]

Ooze?

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/oZ0Z4DT.png

[dim shoal]

y

[cunning surge]

At least that isn't
too bad of a consolation prize

[dim shoal]

Oof

Only 220 phial will satisfy my needs

Fk ooze lol

[gentle gyro]

this isn't plaguefall, it's mists

[cunning surge]

Honestly I feel it

[gentle gyro]

just want a dagger man

[cunning surge]

Thorn is a really nice dagger in general

I might farm mists for it

I still need to get KSM to even get to 220

[north basin]

imagine farmin our ass off this week for phial to eventually get it 226 in a chest on reset day?XD

[shadow helm]

[prisma yoke]

i got domina's dagger in 184

[dim shoal]

Ill be real, i would be mad for like 20 minutes, but fk it 226 phial

[north basin]

xDD

[eternal wave]

^

[shadow helm]

wait for vault

[cunning surge]

U P G R A D E

[shadow helm]

before upgrading then lmao

[subtle tundra]

i better be getting a mythic denathrius item in my weekly lol

[dim shoal]

i have like 2500 valor already so whatever

[eternal wave]

If it drops before Sire on Sunday sure

Otherwise it gets upped regardless

[lament mica]

how many bosses have u killed?

[eternal wave]

Wait, other way around

[gentle gyro]

off to mists run nr 20 this week

[eternal wave]

Me? 8

[gentle gyro]

🙂

[eternal wave]

Guild is 10/10 doe

[dim shoal]

A guildie told me, that great vault bases loot which dungeon youve run. I ran only plaguefall. If theres a shitty DOS Shadowgrasp totem again, ill legit kill his ass

[shadow helm]

no

its random

[dim shoal]

[subtle tundra]

yep all random

they baited us at blizzcon with that info

[cunning surge]

That's similar to holding Down+B when throwing a Pokeball tbh

Placebo RNG

[eternal wave]

Holding A during Pokeballs works

I won't hear anything else

[dim shoal]

Good thing about running same dungeon over and over again is that you can optimize and look with which build you do most damage

[gentle gyro]

you mean spamming b

[eternal wave]

y imagine doing Plaguefall without Cloaked in Shadows

I might actually just have passed

[dim shoal]

Outlaw record 6.8k
Assa record 6.3k

Seems like i need zoldyck to do better with assa 😦

[cunning surge]

Using MA?

[topaz saffron]

You mean tapping a every time the pokeball wiggles

[dim shoal]

Outlaw MA killing spree
Assa Doomblade subterfuge lol

[cunning surge]

H mm

[dim shoal]

Got all 226 weapons from pvp

[dim rampart]

Interested in seeing your results with MA in assa

[shadow helm]

very zzzz results

[strange python]

Quick question guys - whats the deal with Shiv? Should I refresh Rapture and Garrote before it comes off the cooldown and pooling energy right before it or is it a massive dps loss if I delay it a little bit? 2-5 seconds maybe. Kinda struggle to make the most out of my shiv windows.

[willow vine]

It’s the same as toxic blade

You don’t want to need to refresh bleeds during its window

[strange python]

never really played assassin. really struggling with it lol

[willow vine]

I mean from what u wrote u got it down

Just needa practice it 😄

[wooden perch]

what is best stats for assa m+?

[balmy condor]

haste crit

[balmy condor]

shiv is mostly just a "slam it on cd and you're chillin" kinda thing

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/enK4R8z.png

nr 5

[strange python]

it isn't required to use 3 Envenoms right? it would be just the best case scenario I guess?

[balmy condor]

nah even just 1 envenom is fine

[strange python]

oh cool thanks

[balmy condor]

you're looking to avoid missing casts

so if you're just starved and get unlucky crits

so be it

unlucky

[grim jay]

I kinda feel like the opener in raids sometimes feels clunky. anyone in the same boat?

[strange python]

really struggled with Shiv....guess I used my Sub mentality

[grim jay]

using the sim opener

[balmy condor]

mut snd mut gar vend flag rup shiv

it's gonna be really slow with DS

just be like that

[outer lodge]

it only feels clunky right after first mut into garrote - once you get everything up its very smooth

[cloud reef]

but whispyr is it not similar to sub in the sense you must refresh you maintenance spells for the shiv window

if they wont las the duration of shiv

[grim jay]

ye if you get it running it is, but getting off the gar and stuff is meh

[cloud reef]

and have time to refresh atfer

[balmy condor]

yeh kinda

[cloud reef]

but as a worst case

[balmy condor]

you still don't hold shiv for it though

[cloud reef]

better to press shiv anyway

[balmy condor]

yeah

[cloud reef]

got you

[balmy condor]

if everything is dropping and your rotation is in shambles

you'd still hit it

[strange python]

really helped me a lot - thank you @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

np

that's what I'm here for

[cloud reef]

so if you do a mechanic that pulls from the boss and the dots have dropped, shiv anyway and refresh and hope to hit an envenom at the same tme

[gloomy fern]

damn krajll with the big boy slg

[gentle gyro]

i just did some math because I'm bored

the chance to get the dagger from my 20 mists runs was 70%

assuming equal droprates for items

[strange python]

what is up with Covenant abilites? can I use them off cooldown while I'm in a shiv window?

[gentle gyro]

which one?

[strange python]

nightfae

[gentle gyro]

basically off cd

[strange python]

but switching to venthyr soon

ok

[gentle gyro]

venthyr one doesn't interact with shiv

[dim shoal]

Did another plague run, DH got phial
Fk man...

[gentle gyro]

also should be used on cd

[grim hornet]

Hey guys, doomblade on shoulders or hands? got both 226, shoulders are vers/haste (pvp) and hands are crit/haste also

[strange python]

good to know

[grim hornet]

sims will tell me what is better for me rn but maybe i mess it up in the long run

[balmy condor]

the stats are equal on the item, so it probably doesn't matter at all unless you're gonna get 233 shoulders

[gentle gyro]

chance to get Phial from any given m+ run is 4%

so uh, good luck

at least my dagger is 5.6%

[quasi oar]

maaan

i've done like 13 pfs this week

no phial still, but got the other trinket like 4 times

[gentle gyro]

if you want a 90% of getting phial, you'll have to do 50 runs

[quasi oar]

I'm planning on doing it with my warrior/rogue friend

it's a win-win, at least they'll have weeklies and i have a bigger chance of getting it

but still, pretty boring to basically live in plaguefall

[gentle gyro]

would have been a VP vendor so bad

let me buy rank 1 of any given item, if i wanna waste 10k vp for one slot let me do it

[dim shoal]

Why you gotta do this

[gentle gyro]

i can do even better

if you want a 99% chance, you need over 90 runs

[dim shoal]

Stop, im already dead

[cunning surge]

With a 100% chance of leaving a sour taste for PF in your mouth...

[gentle gyro]

hey man, I have 20 mist runs and I already don't wanna hear "HEY, CATCH" anymore

[dim shoal]

okayyy

no more mists

[cunning surge]

Hey, this doesn't look right

[gentle gyro]

oNe oF Us Is nOt lIkE tHe OtHerS

[cunning surge]

This doesn't look right at all

[dim shoal]

hahaha

[gentle gyro]

actually need to correct myself, for a 99% chance you need over 100 runs, not over 90

but statistically speaking you should get it around halfway through that

[vestal wren]

than higher you want the chance to be than more runs you nee to do

also you could consider having more than one chance if you have people in your group that also need the same item

[gentle gyro]

it's true that I do not account for others trading you the item

but what are the chances some other melee who is in there wants to give you phial

[balmy condor]

does your chance also take into account 2 items?

[gentle gyro]

it does

[balmy condor]

aha

[gentle gyro]

2/5 chance to get loot, 1/[lootable items] chance to get the item you want

[void gazelle]

For M+ which talent do you use in first row?

[gentle gyro]

EP

middle

[dusk cape]

Assa new meta? 😋

[gentle gyro]

[analog pilot]

hey, im now necrolord outlaw that wanna try new spec, which leg i should go for m+ ?

[gentle gyro]

zoldyck's

also

[iron orchid]

If you already have it, you could play with MA

It's pretty solid

[gentle gyro]

^

[iron orchid]

and it works fine with necro sin

[analog pilot]

seems like without cd reduction it is not so good as for outlaw

[bright pewter]

Hi, uh im pretty new to rogue. I just boosted a character to level 50. Uhhh, so when going in stealth I have a different setup. is that normal?

its litteraly

my first itme

[iron orchid]

definitely not the same use of the leggo, but I've been playing MA necro sin since reset, and your 2m burst window is kinda insane

[cunning surge]

Yeah you get a different action bar for stealth

[analog pilot]

envenom+sbs ?

[bright pewter]

cause whenever i watch pikaboo

his actionbar doesnt even change in stealth

[cunning surge]

I'm unsure if he has a different UI setup

But that's the normal thing that happens with Stealth

You have a completely seperate action bar so you have options for stealth without clogging your main bar

[bright pewter]

hmm i see

[grim hornet]

who can loot agi daggers in addition to rogues?

[iron orchid]

you make sure snd is up, go stealth, garrote sbs rup, mut /shiv to 4/5 cp vendetta vanish env mut env mut env

then use sbs when low on energy ( really cheaper cp gen than mut)

[gentle gyro]

no one, i think

[grim hornet]

shit

[iron orchid]

Yup no one

[bright pewter]

so would it be bad if I had the same setup in stealth or doesnt it really matter

[gentle gyro]

that's what I do mostly

[cunning surge]

Not entirely, like you want Stealth options like Distract and Sap but I keep mine the same mostly

[gentle gyro]

subterfuge can mess you up otherwise

a few binds go to stealth only abilities, rest is the same

[bright pewter]

oh okayy

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/idkvanO.png

normal

https://i.imgur.com/6AX9lxj.png

stealth

[bright pewter]

oh i c, yeahh

maybe it wasnt too smart for me to boost a rogue

[cunning surge]

Nah you're fine honestly

[gentle gyro]

it's really not that complicated

[cunning surge]

Like that's probably your only real hurdle I feel

Everything else is very streamlined

[strange python]

@bright pewter thoguth the same back in BfA....but a few days later it was basically the most fun I ever had playing WoW.... best decision I ever made

*thought

[bright pewter]

yhh, like idk Ive never rlly played a dps spec either LOL

or well besides mage

[cunning surge]

Yeah it takes a little bit getting your feet wet, but it's really easy to get a handle on compared to other DPS Specs

[gentle gyro]

ehhhhhh, not so sure on that take

[bright pewter]

also so if i were to start off with assasination, how different are sub and outlaw compared to assas

[gentle gyro]

like it's not hard

but there are way easier ones

[cunning surge]

Oh of course

I'd say Sin is like, right in the middle, maybe a little lower, in terms of easy rotation

[gentle gyro]

hard to judge for me, I can only play Sin

[cunning surge]

Fury Warrior is probably going to be one of the easiest

[strange python]

Sub is a lot more punishing I feel

[cunning surge]

"Oh shit this is off CD LET'S GO"

[visual stratus]

Is it worth making a macro for ambush and mutilate on the same button?

[bright pewter]

I've only played mage so idk what is really hard or easy

[visual stratus]

Like i used to do with Shadowstrike and backstab when playing sub

[cunning surge]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[gentle gyro]

[cunning surge]

There it is, but I wouldn't recommend it

[gentle gyro]

get a 2nd keybind for ambush

it's just easier

[cunning surge]

I've played Frost Mage, Fury Warrior, and Sin/Outlaw, and Sin was pretty damn easy, but so are those 2

I'd def say Rogue is a beginner friendly spec, at least for Sin
There's a lot of more micro-details with Outlaw with Roll the Bones and Sub stuff

I don't know shit about Sub, I've tried like 3 different times over the years and it just never clicked

[gentle gyro]

i just play sub for pvp

[warm plover]

You would not use Ambush In a MA Windows when BS proc?

[true thorn]

So now that we are venthyr, if yo run m plus, What is the setup to make Theotar do max damage ??

[gentle gyro]

shadowstrike shadowstrike dead

[loud niche]

anyone know if there is a sim to see what race is best for me? both herodamage and bloodmallet say orc is best in ST dps for sin rogue as of 905, but idk how trustworthy either of those is

[gentle gyro]

i highly doubt race makes a noticeable difference

[cunning surge]

Like at least for Horde it's so minor

[gentle gyro]

i'd bet it's single digit dps variance

[quartz shadow]

if you want to just make your life easier just pick a race with a 2m cd

macro it to your ven

like orc

[cunning surge]

BElf Rogue wouldn't be a bad choice either

Arcane Torrent is nice overall

[uneven summit]

Void elf, allways

[gentle gyro]

void elf best elf

[uneven summit]

get those procs on huntsman doggos

[quartz shadow]

alliance

[gentle gyro]

i swear ill go alliance again first chance i get

[uneven summit]

Alliance best liance

[gentle gyro]

yeah but if you wanna do anything sort of competitive, alliance is a bad bet

[uneven summit]

well you can get easy rank ones for alliance only, so there´s that

[gentle gyro]

[cunning surge]

Alliance has some strong races like Mechagnome, but yeah Horde tends to go harder for raiding at least

[gentle gyro]

also m+

also pvp

[cunning surge]

I only know Raiding on comparison

[strange python]

I love the Diplomacy and Will to Survive too much to go to Horde

[gentle gyro]

my loremaster-char is human

just for the 10% rep

[cunning surge]

That's the human pvp trinket racial, isn't it? Will to Survive?

[gentle gyro]

na that's every man for himself

[uneven summit]

bis for aritificer traps clearing every man for himself

[gentle gyro]

or was, last time i played alliance. in WoD

[strange python]

yeah, it was heavily nerfed and is called Will to Survive now...only takes you out of stuns

[cunning surge]

Oh damn

I'm not really too surprised? But I didn't think it would get nerfed outright or s/t

[strange python]

still beneficial sometimes, even in raids. Yeah. I understand why thy nerfed it. Human was pretty much the to go pvp-race most of the time

[cunning surge]

I mean Belf got their racial nerfed a WHILE ago
Used to be a AoE Interrupt/Silence, now it just removes 1 beneficial magic effect

[quartz shadow]

it was after human nerfs tho so

[cunning surge]

Was it? I know it was sometime between WoD and Legion that Belf got their's reworked

[loud niche]

While I agree it's not likely going to make much of a difference, I bet it's more than a 1 digit difference.

Anyway, yeah, I'll prolly just go with orc, cuz work work

[quartz shadow]

belf got thier silence taken away for bfa

[cunning surge]

Damn, feels longer ago than that

[quartz shadow]

they had it all of legion

[cunning surge]

My memory is all skewed, oof

[quartz shadow]

It also gives you a combo point tho so

you can think about that

[vestal wharf]

Subterfuge doesnt work with Vanish?

[quartz shadow]

ofc it does

[cunning surge]

It should

[sand dirge]

it gives u 15 energy, not a combopoint

[quartz shadow]

oh? guess they changed that too

[vestal wharf]

IDK just did a M+, i still got CD

[loud niche]

if you vanish garrote you don't get a cd if you're running subter

can confirm as of last night around 11pm central

[quartz shadow]

i can confirm it as of 2 seconds ago

[cunning surge]

^

[quartz shadow]

if you were getting a cd, you were either not actually stealthed, too slow to hit it, or have the wrong talent

[cunning surge]

Vanish Subt is pretty important in M+ so I use it very regularly to know that it does work

[vestal wharf]

Weird, maybe it broke my vanish or sumin

Every single time

[cunning surge]

Yeah I would figure out what's causin' that cause that's a pretty big interaction that shouldn't be breaking

All of our Tier 2 talents basically revolve around Vanish as a DPS CD

[loud niche]

lotta dps loss

[sand dirge]

play with the 15 % hp shield conduit that u get with every stealth. its god tier 😋

[rapid laurel]

You may have used it and then vanished while it was on cooldown while outside of stealth

[cunning surge]

I'm already stacking Recup and Nimble Fingers

[rapid laurel]

I used to do that too

[quartz shadow]

true

[loud niche]

oh yeah, didn't think about that one

[rapid laurel]

I still sometimes vanish by accident while garrotte is on cd

So I just wait for it to come off LOL

[cunning surge]

Yeah it's just waiting in the stealth of shame

[quartz shadow]

yeah as much as ive played this spec over the years i too do it every once in awhile

[cunning surge]

Human error is bound to happen in any raid encounter

[rapid laurel]

It’s worse when everyone is blasting a pack in m+ and I’m just there looking at my watch for garrotte

[quartz shadow]

been there

lol

[cunning surge]

"I swear I'm not AFKing, I just fucked up"

[rapid laurel]

I really miss echoing blades 😦

[late bolt]

Flashback to all the time I stood like an idiot

[cunning surge]

That happens to me on Huntsman regularly

I get way too trigger happy with Margore

[loud niche]

i don't bother running subter on huntsman

[rapid laurel]

Me neither because of the way they pull the bosses around

[cunning surge]

This week I'm prob just gonna go full ST with Doomblade and see how that works

[rapid laurel]

Sometimes I lose dps trying to garrote both

[quartz shadow]

with the new patch im slowly stopping using sub on it as well

[loud niche]

i've got the 18th parse without it, and it's easier to not have to swap back n forth

[cunning surge]

With how my guild does Barghast I'm tired of running across the entire map for his ass

[quartz shadow]

you still want to multi dot tho

[loud niche]

^

i just multidot when barghast comes out

[rapid laurel]

I still multidot but not if the tank is in Africa with the mobs

[loud niche]

and if i miss poison on him somehow i just toss a throwing knife at him omw back to boss

[rapid laurel]

I stopped playing rogue like a few weeks after shadowlands because assassination felt awful

[cunning surge]

Thankfully since I'm NightFae I can Soulshape to Barghast and the SS to Huntsman but it's like, still annoying

[rapid laurel]

I’m so used to playing shadow priest now that I’ve stood in every frontal in m+ as assassination

Lol

[loud niche]

oof

[cunning surge]

I kinda feel it

[rapid laurel]

Assassination blasting now though thank his

[cunning surge]

I get hit by Kaelthas' stupid ass cone attack

[rapid laurel]

Thank god*

[quartz shadow]

I was necro till yesterday, so having a whole gcd to waddle over there was nice for uptime since i can just bone spike on the way

then just SS back

def finding it alot harder without that filler ranged gcd now

[rapid laurel]

Necro looked appealing but I just feel like we have too many things to maintain anyways

It would drive me insane on m+

[quartz shadow]

nah, dont over think it

[cunning surge]

I feel like Subter is still the play for me cause I don't think I have the means of blasting out pulping envs

[quartz shadow]

its literally just the cheapest combo points

if ur energy starved for some wierd reason

[cunning surge]

Just through the spike out and forget about it

[quartz shadow]

u just throw a couple of them suckers out and ur juiced up

[cunning surge]

It'll do it's thing

[rapid laurel]

I’m only really energy starved on single target which is where venthyr is better xD

Plus the venthyr mog doesn’t look like reanimated dog food

Which is nice

[quartz shadow]

also theres nothing like having full bleeds on a pack, them all going into exicute, refreshing sub garrots and hitting som emini buffs

really just melts the rest of the pack

[cunning surge]

Necro definitely does look fun for M+s

[quartz shadow]

i will miss it

but its time for change

[rapid laurel]

Our energy problems have gotten so much better this patch that I don’t think it’s completely worth it

[quartz shadow]

also bonesmith is really nice just passive agi, plus the coming back from the dead part for a lil bit is rlly cool

[rapid laurel]

But for people who can handle it necro will probably perform better in half of the raid fights and m+ scenes

[cunning surge]

M+ scenes it already has been

But Venth will still pulp Raid encounters

[quartz shadow]

I mean thats just one example of why its a nice ability, theres other examples as well

[rapid laurel]

On council it’s probably insane

3 combo points for 15 energy

[quartz shadow]

nah, if you have all 3 up, and hit the main boss

u get 5

[rapid laurel]

Oh

[quartz shadow]

or wait, 4

[rapid laurel]

Did that change or?

Yeah 4

[cunning surge]

Sadly you'll have to reapply them all during Danse Macabre since you get so far from them

But I can see it being good on Council

[quartz shadow]

nah they should stay now with the changes

[rapid laurel]

They get removed after each target dies though

[cunning surge]

Oh good, that "Bleed dropping if you go further than 30 yards" was annoying

[tender fjord]

This would surprise me, outranging made them always disappear earlier

[quartz shadow]

it was because they heal to full, but they made it so that doesnt happen now

[rapid laurel]

Cuz bosses heal to full

[tender fjord]

But haven’t checked yet

[rapid laurel]

Oh it doesn’t happen now?

[thorn dove]

Does it matter when flagellation is popped during the opener? Or does it just want to be done when your nearax combo points?

[rapid laurel]

Bone spike should replace poison knife and allow us to become ranged rogue

[cunning surge]

Nah not really, like you want to pop it after Vend for initial lashes but the dps difference is so minor

[rapid laurel]

If you pop it before vendetta though you can get 8-10 haste just from applying rupture and using slice and dice tho

That’s what I usually do

[cunning surge]

I mean yeah that's an option too

[thorn dove]

Ok cool thanks, I have been popping it just before I use rupture then I vendetta

[rapid laurel]

I think it’s preference really no matter where you pop it, it’s gonna be beneficial

[cunning surge]

^

Basically that

[quartz shadow]

pop it when you have full combo points

[cunning surge]

As long as you get GarRup up and SnD, blast your CDs, you're fine

[rapid laurel]

I kind of love vanish as a dps cooldown for assassination lol

Makes me feel like every 2 minutes I’m a beast

[strange python]

@rapid laurel yeah, super fun, regardless of the talents you use

[rapid laurel]

Well I don’t think we ever talk about the first talent in that row

At least not for pve

[cunning surge]

Night Stalker?

[rapid laurel]

Yeah

[cunning surge]

I think it sees use on Sludgefist

[late bolt]

I wiped our team in SoA by using vanish right after the third boss wanted to blast me lmao

[placid dawn]

if you vanish while you are about to be mcd in the caster boss on ToP you get the mc instant and get fucked

[rapid laurel]

It’s the hustle, people need to suffer for ignoring our requests to join group

[cunning surge]

Yeah I still play Sin even for M+
Like Outlaw is fun but I don't got swords

[rapid laurel]

I still get kicked when people see I’m not outlaw

[cunning surge]

Fuckin' stupid man...

People just want FotM I swear

[rapid laurel]

On tyrannical week too

Where assassination is much better than outlaw

Some of these boss fights are lol 5 minutes long lol

[grim hornet]

is it?

[cunning surge]

bUt ItS nOt An MdI cOmP

[midnight sierra]

i just did necrotic wake as necro and the second boss even tho he doenst heal to full loses the sbs

[cunning surge]

[midnight sierra]

err third

sorry

[balmy condor]

if you got a 5 min tyrannical boss you got problems

[quartz shadow]

I just did my own keys till i was rank 1 NA then people just would let me come anyway

[cunning surge]

I can't think of a single boss that would take 5+ minutes

Unless someone fucked up REALLY BADLY on Surgeon

[grim hornet]

mueh zala maybe

[cunning surge]

Oh that's true too

[rapid laurel]

On like +23 and what not bosses take a loooong time

[cunning surge]

Too high for my blood

[radiant seal]

U guys running mantle or execute for m+?

[balmy condor]

execute usually

but doomblade seem curious

[quartz shadow]

id use doom in top or spires yeah?

[strange python]

Outlaw is the bane of my m+. I don't really like Outlaw but everyone expects you to roll with it regardless.

*m+ existence

[midnight sierra]

i've never had anyone ask me why im not outlaw

[radiant seal]

Outlaw 🤮

[sand dirge]

people are blinded by my rio instead of looking what specc im playing

[midnight sierra]

exactly

[sand dirge]

yday i did some quick 15s. leader didnt even know he invited a rogue for skip. he just looked at rio and clicked accept

[rapid laurel]

Rio can be toxic tho

Don’t get invited to 15s because you haven’t done enough 15s

How am I gonna do the 15s then

[fading wigeon]

Find a guild

[rapid laurel]

I did

Thankfully

[quartz shadow]

use your own key

[midnight sierra]

just gotta be patient/do ur own keys

[rapid laurel]

My guild asked me to switch to priest for the stamina buff so they feel guilty not taking me to m+

I’ve got it all planned out

💋

[narrow nymph]

Which legendary u use for m+ ?

[ornate jetty]

ive done all bosses in lfr for renown, can i still get renown from nathria in normal diff?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[ornate jetty]

pog

[cunning surge]

Heroic too

[narrow nymph]

u can get 1 for every completed m+ too

[hollow escarp]

I only need to do normal now

[quartz shadow]

Dashing Scoundrel

[dim shoal]

@gentle gyro my bro

its done

220 Phial

[cunning surge]

Grats!!

[hollow escarp]

I have a big fear that both 226 phial and Inerva ring will drop in next week's vault

[strange python]

grats

[dim shoal]

Can only recommend everyone to grind it, if you want to loose your soul

[strange python]

nah. I'm good lol. never even saw it once on Mythic or Mythic+

[hollow escarp]

that's good

maybe it will drop now

[strange python]

haha

[quartz shadow]

good thing i got one week one

[dim shoal]

17 runs in total

[prisma yoke]

I only had a 197 phial from months ago. No upgraderino

[hollow escarp]

I only did 3 runs and got tired

[cunning surge]

Sounds about right tbh

[hollow escarp]

I've seen the weirdest routes in Plaguefall

spawning pride for 2 mobs

[ornate jetty]

ooo completing an m+ guarantees 1 renown? or just a chance

[hollow escarp]

chance

[quartz shadow]

chance for sure lol

[narrow nymph]

guarantees

[ornate jetty]

o.o

[narrow nymph]

ive been farming

renown for necro like tha

also valorpoints

[quartz shadow]

i mean, if you have like no renown then yeah

its gonna be almost every dungeon

it slows down the more you have tho

[narrow nymph]

but idk which legendary to use on M+ fortifeid

[hollow escarp]

I'm on chapter 4 and got 15 renown so far

need to clear Normal though

[quartz shadow]

Zold

[strange python]

what legendary should I use for tyrannical if I don't have the execute one? Just built a 225 Doomblade a few days ago and have Mark of the Assassin laying around somewhere in my bags

[quartz shadow]

prob just doom then

[midnight sierra]

mark is bad on ass

[strange python]

ok thanks

[midnight sierra]

cause if ur running subter u wanna be garroting anyweayas

[quartz shadow]

nah its not bad

[strange python]

seems logical

[midnight sierra]

how is it not bad

[hollow escarp]

it's good lol

[quartz shadow]

how IS it bad? lol

[strange python]

lol

[midnight sierra]

because ur garroting during that

[hollow escarp]

so?

you don't vanish?

[quartz shadow]

oh no, my highest damage garrotes are critting!!!! pls no!

[narrow nymph]

it ssuper bad 😄

[hollow escarp]

??????????

[edgy notch]

isnt shiv tracked on wowlogs?

[hollow escarp]

I hope you guys are trolling

[grim hornet]

for assassination, does stat distribution > ilvl on offhand?

[quartz shadow]

most of the time yeah

sim urself tho

[narrow nymph]

well my garrot crit is 2.5k

[grim hornet]

y sure, just asking a general question. i know sim has the truth but i have can't sim assassination rn

[tiny ember]

yo bois stupid question I'm an outlaw main and kinda want to dabble in assa in raids primarly for sludge shenaninges can you tell me if my stats need adjusting

[quartz shadow]

more crit

[tiny ember]

aprox?

[quartz shadow]

as much as possible if we're talking just sludge

[ashen anchor]

Get at least 10 more stamina too

[tiny ember]

just sludge the rest i cba playing assa

[quartz shadow]

yeah just go for crit then

stack it up

[edgy notch]

why shiv doesnt get tracked on wowlogs?

[tiny ember]

what do i drop ?

[quartz shadow]

u got a lot of vers so id imagine trading that out

im not an expert tho

[warped umbra]

Hey guys, some people were mentioning stealth break issues during m+. I also wanted to report that I were thrown out of stealth multiple times yesterday for no apparent reason. I had druids, mages and warriors in my party (so plenty speed and group buffs) and I were running with the Theotar trait that triggers when healed or buffed. Is there any additional information what is causing this?

[tiny ember]

Thx boi

[strange python]

had some issues dirng timewalkers as well and couldn't figure out why

[prisma yoke]

From what I experienced any form of buff on the rogue applied from other players

[balmy condor]

blizzard is trash

it got fixed though

so new logs will show

[sturdy merlin]

Hello guys i swapped to venthyr yesterday and made it back to high renown, but i was wondering which soulbind is the best for M+ ?

[balmy condor]

duelist nadjia is very good, theotar wasteland otherwise

[warped umbra]

So the best way to avoid that bug is not playing the final trait from Theotar?

[quartz shadow]

Nadjiaaaaa

[sturdy merlin]

btw @warped umbra i also noticed this bug during my m+ keys, i have no idea where it comes from

[gentle gyro]

wait, is nadja overall better or just this week due to tyrannical

[edgy notch]

ah ty, was comparing opener on logs with the apl of raidbots

[gentle gyro]

cause I'm running theotar rn

[prisma yoke]

I thought of theotar as well

[quartz shadow]

overall im pretty sure

[velvet nacelle]

i wasn't skeptical but i just made my doomblade and swapped over from MA

[quartz shadow]

i think theyre close enough where you can just pick whatever one you like more tho, but since it is tyran she probably is a little better

[velvet nacelle]

the immediate DPS impact was ridiculous

[balmy condor]

overall

[velvet nacelle]

THEN i got my 30th renown point for nadja

[balmy condor]

duelist is just solid prio

[velvet nacelle]

i'm like a whole new rogue

a new fantastic point of view

[sturdy merlin]

is she better with exacting preparation or dauntless duelist in m+ ? also i guess lashing scar is the best conduit even in m+

[gentle gyro]

back to the Mists grind. cannot wait to not get my weapon, again

[cunning surge]

Mistcaller Ocarina incoming

[toxic tusk]

I switched from Kyrian to Vrnthyr and was able to get to 12 renown while fucking around, luckily it doesn’t look like it’ll take too long

[tribal shuttle]

what is the easiest way to get renown faster?

[toxic tusk]

I ran LFR

[balmy condor]

spamming keys is pretty good

[toxic tusk]

That gave me I think 4-5 pretty quick but I was pretty high

[balmy condor]

get some valor on the side

[trim basin]

I'm 18 and i switched tuesday.

[tribal shuttle]

ty

[trim basin]

Raiding, convenant story and callings

[toxic tusk]

I did notice a big dps drop in my heroic castle numbers, but that’s probably due to conduits

[velvet nacelle]

renown slows down

it feels like there's at least a weekly cap

[tribal shuttle]

So assa is the goto spec for raiding in general?

[velvet nacelle]

i got to like 22 in one casual day

getting from 22-28 has taken me 2 solid days of doing full LFR, normal, probably about 20 heroics, 5 mythics of varying levels

[balmy condor]

guy in my guild swapped monday night before servers went down, showed up to raid tuesday with 5 renown, by wednesday night he had 35

[tender fjord]

If you don’t play spriest boomie or afflock, yeah! 😝

[tribal shuttle]

Rogue 4 lyfe

[sturdy merlin]

spamming dungeons is very efficient, i swapped wednesday and i'm 35 rn

[tender fjord]

Then assa is sweet ST mate

[velvet nacelle]

everyone i've talked to this week has said that it feels like it slows down hard after 20, i'm wondering if they reduce the rate it can drop after 20 a week or something to prevent people from just swapping to all 4 in one week

[trim basin]

Well, I'm doing better numbers than when I played outlaw in raid... and I don't have any conduits

[velvet nacelle]

@sturdy merlin maybe just bad luck then?

[balmy condor]

no it just actually slows down as you get more

that's by design

[tribal shuttle]

ty 🙂

[sturdy merlin]

Probably

[velvet nacelle]

yeah but 20/40 it felt like i hit a hard wall

[sturdy merlin]

If blizzard didn't change the renown cap we can theoretically go back to 40 this week

since you can go up to 38 without the 2 weekly renown quests

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i'm not turning in the 1k anima or souls quest til monday or til i hit 38

[sturdy merlin]

👍🏻

[velvet nacelle]

but it's been tough to get to 30

i still have a heroic full clear and hopefully 3 mythic bosses this week

but i only got 3 renown from lfr and normal combined

[grave cove]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[velvet nacelle]

30 was the magic number though, no pressure now

and i got to make a doomblade, it'll be 2 more weeks before i can make the rank 4 but at least i have it now

i made shoulders, hopefully it'll be several months before i regret that decision heh

[onyx wind]

6 callings and 1 of them gave renown

pog man

[velvet nacelle]

considering it took us 3 weeks to get huntsman i'm not hopeful for mythic SLG

[onyx wind]

jesus

[velvet nacelle]

we have had horrible roster turnover

the past month

[grave olive]

someone who has changed from NF to Venthyr felt a big difference? Sims just shows 100 dps gain, but dont know how it really works in a boss fight and if it's worthy all the renown climb again

[toxic tusk]

I miss echoing reprimand.

[grim hornet]

go to quick sim and see what it's doing and when

[onyx wind]

I swapped from kyrian to venthyr, and the energy is soooo nice

You get so much haste from venthyr

[tribal shuttle]

as of now we all would 😦

[onyx wind]

i miss steward more than echoing

[twilit quiver]

If you are a minmaxer you should go venthyr
I prefer flag over sepsis and the style and story is also better imho

[cunning surge]

wares for YOOHOO

[trim basin]

Are you playing with CT in tyrannical ?

[cunning surge]

Yeah, CT is good even for Tyrannical
I was messing with Doomblade though and Blindside to give decent ST for the damage sponges

[trim basin]

Ty

[lapis jungle]

Do you ever CT on single target? Or is it 2+?

[cunning surge]

Personally I don't CT until there's 4+
If there's 3 I just Mutilate and focus on keeping up Garrote on each target instead

[subtle tundra]

CT is used on ST aswell

outside of shiv instead of envenom

really small gain though

[cunning surge]

Hm, interesting

[lapis jungle]

Ive only been using it on ST below 30% hehe

[lofty shell]

not running poison bomb then?

[lapis jungle]

Im talking about m+

[balmy condor]

Poison bomb only in raid

[subtle tundra]

CT is too good not to run in any dungeon

[lofty shell]

oh okay missed that part mb

[balmy condor]

You CT single target to maintain, if you’re not in shiv

And I see that got answered

[lofty shell]

tried some assa in hc cn yday, feels weird compared to law, but decent enough dmg for my first try imo

[cunning surge]

I learned something new today

[lofty shell]

i feel like i'm missing something tho dunno

[velvet nacelle]

that C libraries are inherently unsafe unless you compile them yourself?

[balmy condor]

You rupture everything that lasts long enough, garrote everything that lasts long enough, CT everything that lasts long enough, envenom otherwise, cast everything on cooldown

[gentle gyro]

that comic sans is the most beautiful font ever invented?

[balmy condor]

M+ sin rogue

All the bleeds

All the cooldowns

Ez pz

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/NpI86ov.png

[strange python]

noob question from a non-english player.....whats ct?

[gentle gyro]

crimson tempest

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest

[strange python]

ah thank you

[velvet nacelle]

i did a DoS 10 to help a friend today and an IQD dropped for him

his trinkets were both 155

[final ferry]

Can someone tell me when is it worth to use fan of knifes instead of mutilate?

[velvet nacelle]

many sads

[balmy condor]

4+

[gentle gyro]

4 + targets

[final ferry]

ty

same question with crimson tempest?

[subtle tundra]

CT is used on any amount of targets

[balmy condor]

Scroll up

Very slightly

We literally just talked about it

30 seconds earlier

[final ferry]

ok sry didn't see

[velvet nacelle]

like, you actually asked that question

WHILE we were talking about it

i kind of thought we were being punked

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-male-model-gif-11945749

[cunning surge]

📹

[strange python]

😂

that gif takes me back

[velvet nacelle]

🙂

that movie is fantastic

[desert ether]

Ok. I am getting some crazy and mixed opinions for Venthyr. People are saying it was nerfed again, some are saying it sucks and hits like a wet Noodle, but some are saying it hits super damn hard, but then some are saying it is about to be nerfed again. Just want to know before I even think about leaving my night fae covenant.

[velvet nacelle]

it's not convoke

rogue covenants aren't that varied

sepsis felt bad in general

(to me)

[trim basin]

Same to me

I didn't like asepsis

[velvet nacelle]

you're talking about like a 200 dps difference if your'e fully decked out in bis 226/233 gear on sims

and that's in ideal circumstances, in reality you're probably not going to see a 200 dps difference

just play what you like, unless you like kyrian

[midnight sierra]

that's why i wanted to switch off because of how sepsis felt

[velvet nacelle]

then it's time to re-evaluate a lot of decisions in your life

i probably would have swapped off sepsis even fi it was even or a slight dps loss tbh

i was bored of NF after running it all expansion

and since we don't have a clear winner covenant i figured it was time to jump around

[midnight sierra]

yeah i was kyrian then nf then i was thinking necro but i think imma go venth

[velvet nacelle]

the only thing keeping me NF was that dumb valfir mount

but i just bought it

[onyx wind]

Zoldyck if u wanna kill, doomblade if u wanna parse

[velvet nacelle]

@onyx wind i kind of feel like zoldyck might end up being the better parse for that fight anyways

[robust sandal]

Zoldyck every time

[velvet nacelle]

p1 is kind of a throwaway

granted, i haven't seen mythic sire yet

but that fight doesn't feel like you get to really put time into sire until p3 anyways

[gloomy fern]

doomblade is way better

even in p3

[velvet nacelle]

that's a relief to hear since i'm not making ANOTHER legendary

i hate torghast too much

[forest swallow]

Choreghast**

Same lmao

[velvet nacelle]

i have all that minus zoldyck

[forest swallow]

Zold feels so bad to use in dungeons idk

[velvet nacelle]

swap for akaari's

[forest swallow]

I feel like MA would just be better right

[gentle gyro]

wat

[forest swallow]

Crit with CT?

[gentle gyro]

also wtf is your pfp, what did you do to Asmon

[forest swallow]

Haha

@gentle gyro it’s asmo picture saying “ BFA classic” lol

[iron orchid]

feeling-wise MA will often be better, especially when running with mages and hunters

[velvet nacelle]

@snow crag well this week is goofy fun

[iron orchid]

zoldyck feels less powerful when everyone is bursting through packs

[gentle gyro]

MA should lose value the higher you go, no?

[velvet nacelle]

it's fun to run 2s and try to murder your partner with the flail

[iron orchid]

kinda

[forest swallow]

I mean I guess I shouldn’t complain about assassin in dungeons and just go play outlaw

[lofty shell]

i took potion in a 5man pug and ppl got killed by it

[iron orchid]

depends on what you are planning to do as a team

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like if you're running zoldycks, the likelihood is that you're not there to clean up trash

[iron orchid]

I run MA to burst down prides

[velvet nacelle]

you're there for priority targets/bosses

[iron orchid]

But Zoldyck is made for AoE

dot everything and then get 30% damage on bleeds and poisons

[velvet nacelle]

i guess, but like you said, trash tends to go down fast

i haven't pushed past 17 this season though

doubt i even will

no real compelling reason to

[iron orchid]

what makes you deal damage is exactly the fact that you will be able to do the same damage, whatever the pack is

on 3 targets, you could do 7k+ without bursting

and on 8 + you'd be doing 12k without bursting

that's if your mates have no cds up

[velvet nacelle]

i guess what i'm saying, and this is a reflection of my own playstyle, is that if i'm worried about trash i'll go outlaw, if i'm sin i'll be thinking more about priority targets/bosses

[iron orchid]

That's the way yeah

I'm just a hard main sin

don't feel like playing ol x)

[velvet nacelle]

and i'd only run zoldycks over doomblade or MA if we're lacking an execute

since everyone else will be using CDs on pull most likely

yeah that's how i felt last expansion

i was so tired of outlaw after legion

the only fun part of outlaw for me in legion was the mage tower

i hated RTB spamming SO much

[dull charm]

hey guys whats aoe rotation for assass?

[sharp echo]

hi i have a question rank1 guy didnt use any shiv is it normal ? His name is Passassin on warcarftlogs

[strange python]

I saw undad play pb in m+ yesterday

[heavy skiff]

Shiv doesnt show on logs

Go to damage done instead of cast

And u will see it beeing used

[sharp echo]

hm okey ty

[velvet nacelle]

@sharp echo kudos for looking at logs though

[strange python]

When I sim pb and ct it only shows 100 dps difference in dungeon slice

[velvet nacelle]

CT is more fun in dungeons

[wise gull]

passassin also got 10 million PI

lol

[lofty shell]

[velvet nacelle]

i remember one time I got a PI

it was a misclick

but i'll take it

[wise gull]

pi is actually good on assa

so

[velvet nacelle]

yeah

but we're low on the totem pole

well, prior to tuesday

we'll see how things shake out

i don't anticipate a major shift in the rankings

[lofty shell]

our ret always gets it

from his gf priest

:p

the benefits of having a pockethealer

[velvet nacelle]

haha, so you're saying i need to start dating a priest

er... someone that plays a priest

boy that can be misconstrued

[cunning surge]

It has benefits

Sources: myself

[lofty shell]

a man of culture i see

[velvet nacelle]

my last girlfriend HATED wow and video games in general

[cunning surge]

Haha it just turned out that way
She does enjoy Disc tho so it's a fair combo

[velvet nacelle]

it was a problem because i work in the video game industry

[fallen current]

whoops

[cunning surge]

Oof

[lofty shell]

oof

[velvet nacelle]

and she wanted me to "get a real job"

[lofty shell]

[cunning surge]

Oh fuck that noise

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, that was kind of the tipping point for the end

[wise gull]

WCL was updated I think?

[velvet nacelle]

she did one of those jekyll and hyde things after the first year

[cunning surge]

Like if your job is paying well and it's taking care of your expenses just fine
PRETTY SURE THAT'S A REAL JOB

[strange python]

the intolerance against gaming as a hobby, job and artform is still pretty high in general oftenlabeling folks with the clice gamer label

*cliche

[velvet nacelle]

@strange python yeah

[heavy skiff]

At some point there was a spreadsheet with how much all classes benefit from PI. Does anyone know if its updated and where to find it?

[velvet nacelle]

and it's hard af to break into the industry as an engineer

[strange python]

while folks of all ages play shit today

[velvet nacelle]

year 1 of the relationship she loved that i had a job doing something i was passionate about

year 2 "when are you gonna grow up and get a real job?"

[strange python]

damn

[gloomy fern]

shiv into rupture

[velvet nacelle]

i had to shiv into rupture once

ONCE

i was so mad

[lofty shell]

im gutted by the cd on garrote

i would vanish only to wait for garrote to get off cd

[cunning surge]

Yeah I've, Shiv'd when I had 5 seconds left on Rupture, had me like this for the whole Shiv Window:

[velvet nacelle]

well i hit shiv by accident not paying attention to my WA for rupture

[shadow helm]

hold flag for vendetta right

[sharp echo]

is quantum device good for assas?

[velvet nacelle]

no

@shadow helm use it on cd

unless you aren't going to miss another cast

like, towards the end of a fight

[tiny ember]

If I go assa for mythic sludge....how much would i lie if i told my RL to give me PI-s as the best option ❤️

[velvet nacelle]

you wouldn't really be lying

haste is our best stat

we're very bursty

i almost said "busty"

[tiny ember]

can you explain it in more detail so i can screenshot him tihs

and get PI

[velvet nacelle]

hell, we're both

[lofty shell]

just pay 1k gold per pi ez

[cunning surge]

Mythic Sludge, 9 out of 10 are Sin

No lies here

[wise gull]

its the top council mythic log

[tiny ember]

did the top parsing rogue actually get 5 PI

[dull fulcrum]

[cunning surge]

Yeah

[lofty shell]

5 pi'?

[gloomy fern]

well he could be way higher not playing vigor with all those pis

[cunning surge]

Like, 8.8k dps gtfo of here

But plenty of those have no external buffs

[desert ether]

So thanks to all you guys and your advice. After raid tonight I will go Venthyr. I figured after 2 weeks of playing it, if Blizz does fucking nerf it or it sucks, I can go back to night fae.

[velvet nacelle]

i generally don't try to think about the padders up top

[cunning surge]

Well it's more, Sin is a good target if they're able to pad that hard in the first place

[velvet nacelle]

oh i agree that sin is a great PI target, especially for sludge

[lofty shell]

also using the middle tier 1 talent

alot of them are actually

[cunning surge]

Yeah it makes sense
Consistent damage for those Pillar windows

Chunky Envenoms

[tiny ember]

we are all bad compared to this man

[cunning surge]

Y ea h I saw that

[lofty shell]

holy fk

[velvet nacelle]

just zoom in the graph on a few pillar dps windows and point out how the top dps in the raid is assassination and there's your argument for PI

[gentle gyro]

holy shit

[cunning surge]

This man is carry the whole Arcane community on his back

[velvet nacelle]

again, pad guilds gonna pad

[tiny ember]

That man is keeping a spec alive

let him rest his shoulders must be tired

[shadow helm]

NICE PI

[tiny ember]

first rogue

[sour citrus]

Guys, simmed myself, with doomblade, haste/vers is only 3dps more than crit/haste. Which so I choose?

[fluid blaze]

whats the best lego for sin in m+ ?

[cunning surge]

Zold or MA, or alternatively Doomblade if you need more ST

[velvet nacelle]

it's a 3dps difference, are you really that paralyzed by that info?

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/MINw4Qn.png
found an easy way to track how many mists i run

[lofty shell]

and got 2.5x more PI than the mages

[lofty gazelle]

Hey guys, I’ll be crafting zoldyk’s for mostly mythic+ and some heroic raiding. Do I put crit/haste on it?

[tiny ember]

I mean.....yes why do you hurt us

[velvet nacelle]

@gentle gyro dear god man

[sour citrus]

@velvet nacelle , lol, yes

[velvet nacelle]

i don't hate mists, but wow

plaguefall is probably my least run dungeon

no it definitely is

that and DoS

i still haven't finished a DoS above 7 haha

[tiny ember]

I did PF since reset to get the trinket

I got to 3.1k valor until i saw the trinket yesterday that's 23 runs

[limber lion]

What's popping, blasters?

[velvet nacelle]

dang dude

[tiny ember]

23 fucking runs