#assassination

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balmy condor
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Triple rogue keys

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wtf

drifting light
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On storming that is

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Lol

unreal hull
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what should i do now im not getting into mythic progress bcs class sucks overall

shy dust
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Well get into a guild

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That will take you

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Rogue is not anywhere close enough

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To not get into mythic raiding

torpid spoke
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And then our dps their boomkins

gentle gyro
torpid spoke
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So are they good or not

brittle pawn
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shh rogue bad, need more buffs

icy crater
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rogues are good

shy dust
icy crater
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are they good enough to be brought to limit's team? idk prob not

shy dust
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You can play rogue at high level

unreal hull
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yeah rogues are like shittier version of dk with less raid support?

icy crater
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for world 5th? yeah they're good enough for sure

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sub was also one of the best specs in the game for sun king prog

upper shuttle
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rogue still not doing enough damage to make up for the lack of raid utility imo 😦

balmy condor
icy crater
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and its insane on council

ember nest
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
cobalt flame
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Can the gear be upgraded to more than 220 or why is everyone farming weapons if they are 6 ilvl lower than vault/mythic raid weapons E_MonkaSnug

brittle pawn
torpid spoke
spice spire
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Gotta get weapons in the vault first homie kekw

balmy condor
storm forum
icy crater
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why get gear when !bis is removed?

balmy condor
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Why even bother playing the game

icy crater
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why own a computer

balmy condor
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When gear is just not as good

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As other gear

limber lion
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why live

spice spire
icy crater
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why be born at this point

balmy condor
spice spire
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Also real

unreal hull
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i have been playing rogue all my life since tbc to this day and today i feel like im useless

icy crater
brittle pawn
drifting light
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Such drama

prisma crescent
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There's tons of Mythic raiding guilds out there that run a rogue or two

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Mine included

balmy condor
storm forum
icy crater
torpid spoke
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Droptimizer kinda sucks. It wont let you apply multiple socket stats

balmy condor
balmy condor
torpid spoke
brittle pawn
torpid spoke
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But doesn’t droptimizer just check each individual piece if it’s better for that slot

brittle pawn
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ree

balmy condor
torpid spoke
balmy condor
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If you have 16 haste on a gem, and you replace it with 16 crit right

storm forum
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spend more time each week on the target dummy than on your sims

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thats the feelcraft way

balmy condor
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In order for that to sim OUTSIDE of MARGIN, you would need a difference of almost 0.4 in your weights

cobalt flame
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You have to play without sockets and enchants. Then you dont need to worry WeSmart

balmy condor
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In which case

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You should fucking know what to socket

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Because that’s insane

bleak dune
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!opener

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dammed

balmy condor
prisma monolithBOT
jagged bobcat
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Can i put this on all 3 bosses on Council after each boss dies. Does it only work for one?

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crystal barn
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"Last updated: Thursday, 11th March 2021 – Assa is back on the menu" on ravenholdt guide - this should really be put at the top of the article imo

brittle pawn
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but sometimes it wasn't reapplying for me on council

jagged bobcat
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Since patch update?

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or before

brittle pawn
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i just switched idk

pine grove
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Is there a pin for opener with Flag?

brittle pawn
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idk why there isnt. it's asked 5 times an hour.

crystal barn
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mut snd mut gar vend venth rup mut shiv vanish

pine grove
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Cheers.

chrome mirage
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Guess I'm going sin now for non add fights, just simmed my outlaw set with Doomblade gloves and a 207 denathrius ring, 320~ dps increase

lost mist
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am i a lucky guy? NO. (i should dps from the back but...)

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icy crater
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rekt

obtuse garnet
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Yikes

icy crater
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parry should be removed from the game prove me wrong

limber lion
chrome mirage
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Wait you open from stealth with mut?

limber lion
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Yes

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With the Master Assa talent that is.

lost mist
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mut = more cp + doomblade + poisons + % free ambush

limber lion
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Or respective legendary

icy crater
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does finishing or shiv have higher prio in apl?

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at max cp

stoic needle
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Shiv

icy crater
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im just reading the apl fk it

torpid spoke
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Rework top row talents to make blindside baseline and then have a talent that says ur attacks can no longer be parried

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Gg

charred mango
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they should give the bleed ticks of CT 1 energy per tick Imo

stoic needle
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You'd think so, but it would be wasted energy

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Were already basically energy capped in aoe with 4-5 bleeds up

ebon bramble
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im really enjoying assassination over outlaw in m+

stoic needle
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I do too

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If gouge was baseline I would never play outlaw again

charred mango
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sucks that its outlaw only, that was iconic for rogues in general

ebon bramble
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i mean i enjoy it but i feel like i'd perform better as outlaw

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but...fun!

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maybe they'll buff sin aoe one day haha

rich spindle
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!bis

solar flicker
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people overvalue gauge so much wtf

stoic needle
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No they don't

rich spindle
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is there no bis list made atm?

brittle pawn
stoic needle
rich spindle
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F

livid temple
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just to check, what is the opener with flag? just saw infexious' new video and his opener isnt the one ive been doing?

Mine is - Mut>SnD>Mut>Garrote>Vendetta>Flag>Rupture>shiv>vanish>Mut>Envenom

his is - Mut>SnD>Mut>Garrote>Rupture>Vendetta>shiv>Flag>Mut>vanish>envenom>Mut>envenom

stoic needle
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We don't talk about infexious here

limber lion
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Should I try Doomblade in PF +18

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hmm

livid temple
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ohhh lol

minor anchor
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Do you mut out of stealth?

stoic needle
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Infexious is just wrong

plush oasis
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Who's that and why do we hate him?

livid temple
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@stoic needle so im guessing just ignore anything he says

stoic needle
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Half of the stuff in his videos is misinformation

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Yes indeed just forget he exists

limber lion
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His newest video is the worst he's done so far

rich spindle
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2-4 cp if u open with mut from stealh

limber lion
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The rotation is absolutely shit

stoic needle
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A rogue 'content producer'

brittle pawn
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he's not even in this discord KEKW

limber lion
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It's completely flawed

stoic needle
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He actually is in the discord

limber lion
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He lurks around

brittle pawn
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incognito?

stoic needle
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Obviously not enough

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Nah his actual account is here I almost @d him in rage the other day

brittle pawn
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nm i spelled his name wrong

dull cloak
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imagine taking rogue info from infexious lul

stoic needle
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I'd call him out but that'd be toxic pepeCuteLaugh

icy crater
stoic needle
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It's annoying that we have to spend time cleaning up his mess in here

livid temple
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lol okay im pretty new to sin, so i was trying to find some good resources to nail the opener and rotation, good to know to avoid is content

stoic needle
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Tbh there isn't anything you will gain from other content producers that isn't in here already

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There are even good sin m+ streamers here

ebon hull
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good afternoon guys, I have a question, what secondary stats do you add to the legendary item? sorry for my bad english

spice spire
simple stratus
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hmm i did a 15 meme key to test assass/necro in a key, here was the overall dmg of the dungeon

stoic needle
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Uhm

charred mango
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with the master assasin tallent for single target, do we want to get 2 buffed envenoms or 2 buffed mutilates?

cunning surge
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Tbf, Sin as a whole is fairly easily to get a handle on
The fact that some content creators can fuck that up is impressive

muted violet
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Do you use SBS conduit?

formal cliff
stoic needle
simple stratus
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no, i played MA/nightstalker and didnt run subterfuge lol

dull cloak
simple stratus
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so i'd spike from stealth

spice spire
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Was this TOP?

stoic needle
simple stratus
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10k crits

stoic needle
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If you did want to meme you'd ct out of stealth

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Not sbs

tiny ember
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Yo bois is there any uptodate opener for necrolord ST ? I know I'm asking alot of you red bois but I'm playing necro for outlaw ..

cunning surge
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NS 5CP CT
Now there's a thought

stoic needle
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In keys you use sbs in place of mut or fok

torpid spoke
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Is it worth running like 12 or more mythics for 47 dps increase lol

stoic needle
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Uh, yes

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That's a lot of dps lol

plush oasis
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Especially since you should run those mythics anyway.

frozen karma
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So how do we deal with the crazy overlap at the end of Denathrius in M

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I'm checking a pov and it seems cloak protects you from the shattering pain dmg but not the actual knock effect?

amber trench
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shadowstep to someone who is immune to the knockback and pray they are safe

frozen karma
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but the guy gets knocked into a blade and cheats death lol

plush oasis
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Cheat death is a viable strategy lol

frozen karma
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guess shadowstep an immune guy is the play but most likely they just stand in shit cuz they can lol

amber trench
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then they will die with you if they are standing in shit lol

plush oasis
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Then you make friends with the person who's the best at not standing in shit.

amber trench
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i use my prot war tank as my shadowstep target during that combo

marsh yew
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can you cloak of shadows then kill someone on sludgefist and not take damage? asking for a friend?

teal bloom
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you can atleast cheat death

storm forum
cunning surge
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And then get stunned for 30 years

fading wigeon
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cloak doenst work

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cheat death works, but I have seen cheat fail

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when the chain breaks

marsh yew
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feelsbad

cunning surge
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If it's physical, couldn't Evasion work?

fading wigeon
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nope

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evasion doesnt work

cunning surge
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Nod nod

storm forum
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cheat can save you but you get stunned and unless a friendly priest lifegrips or you're lucky, you'll die to something else

fading wigeon
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outside of pillars, just play it safe

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chains shouldnt kill you

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stick with your partner

cunning surge
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Ye it's not that hard to stack properly, even for melee

marsh yew
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im ngl I was thinking more so how I could killing a certain person without dying 🙂

storm forum
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ask a paladin friend to BoP you

clever niche
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oh man infexious

storm forum
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make a code word for it

clever niche
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i killed him trying to zone into nyalotha when he was streaming 🙂

cunning surge
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"Murder"
"got it" bop

clever niche
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which was around the same time he was flexing his rank 5 maut

marsh yew
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gotta get back at a hunter in guild who disengaged to kill me earlier on XD

stoic needle
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Yeah just get a paladin to bop you

storm forum
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week one heroic sludgefist was some of the funniest wiping

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there was me, a monk and a war who whenever we got linked together would try to synchronize our mobility to get back faster after the roars

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it was like 50/50

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until like wipe 15 when our officers got really mad cause they realized what we were doing

fading wigeon
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lol first night of sludge, I was playing sub. I vanished + SS.. gg

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lol fun memories

storm forum
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I had a sick sequence of shadow step to the war mid-charge and then vanish SS

stoic needle
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I remember the first time I did sludge I shadowstepped to him after the opening pull roar and immediately got deleted by massive fists

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Good times

icy crater
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I don't want to remember my first sludge attempts

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fml

storm forum
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sludge was such a fun fight to learn, I hope when my guild gets to it on Mythic it's just as fun

icy crater
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yeah it was so fun when ur dh just fel rushes

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for no fucking reason

storm forum
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M O M E N T U M

gusty mirage
topaz saffron
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Cheat Death Ready?
Annoying Guildie chained?
Let it rip baby :chains:

gusty mirage
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so I got them back next pull (: vanish shadowstrike

icy crater
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healers are the absolute worst to get chained to

gusty mirage
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get you a hpal like mine, he has a bop/bubble macro 🙂

icy crater
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i've been bubbled on more times than I'd like to admit

marsh yew
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fel rush is a dh damage ability 😦

icy crater
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its like hes sitting there casting then horses out, realizes he won't make it and bubbles

gusty mirage
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not on sludgefist it aint

marsh yew
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sorta troll for em to be taking it in sludgefist tho

icy crater
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LIKE WHAT

gusty mirage
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lmfao

stoic needle
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Loool

icy crater
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thank fuck i gquit that guild after taking heroic sire trinket

digital zodiac
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are people runnign draven or nadja?

stoic needle
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Nadjia

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Draven is trash

digital zodiac
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cool

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tyty

stoic needle
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I wish built for war was more %

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And there was a dps part of the first soulbind

royal lantern
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ye like

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draven is near unplayable

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except for healers

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and they only like him for the flat % healing increase lel

reef axle
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
stoic needle
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Imagine venthyr having a soulbind that's not based on rng

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I m a g i n e

fleet whale
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thrill seeker is great in torghast though

tacit forum
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If you left a covenant and come back. You do the bs quest

stoic needle
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I've come around a bit on thrill seeker but it's still moderately annoying

tacit forum
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Do you still have to wait for next reset?

fleet whale
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yes

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since it's two quests

tacit forum
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Oh god

regal ledge
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what missives to pair with doomblades?

tacit forum
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So it means I’ll have to start week with renown lvl 6

tacit forum
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If you don’t play M+ at all I think verse as second stat might be good

stoic needle
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It's more like

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If you have a bunch of pvp gear with high vers haste crit sims higher

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If you have a bunch of m+/raid gear with high crit haste vers sims higher

peak solstice
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is assassin over taking sub?

fleet whale
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yes

peak solstice
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in pvp too?

fleet whale
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maybe, i'm not quite sure honestly

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but it deals more damage than sub in pvp at least

peak solstice
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man, this is exciting to see

fleet whale
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how about this passassin on logs just getting all the PIs lol

limber lion
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Screw him

stoic needle
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He's not an OG

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We don't claim him

fleet whale
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i bet he's paying IRL money for PIs

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"church donations" if you will

limber lion
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boys

stoic needle
balmy condor
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Cev take me on your next parse run

stoic needle
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Any phialers?

limber lion
fleet whale
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so do you think that there are priests in wow trading PIs for cash?

pale fossil
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Best M+ dagger is Plaguefall, yeah?

stoic needle
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Mists

balmy condor
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Droptimizer

stoic needle
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Or sd I think

balmy condor
limber lion
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Droptimizer is actually so good

stoic needle
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Droptimizer tells me I need to run pf and top til my eyes bleed

limber lion
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I couldn't believe my eyes when they released it in BFA. It makes it so much easier to find upgrades

stoic needle
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So I guess I'll test out doomblade in keys

pale fossil
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Yeah, but for M+ you can to run it for every dungeon separately unless you have premium.

sharp hollow
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how is passassin doing so much damage lol

balmy condor
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Also I slept on it and bis list is not coming back because your 226 gear will fuck over the 220 recommendations so you should still just sim yourself or I’ll fucking kill you

pale fossil
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He cheats.

limber lion
stoic needle
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imagine not having raidbots premium kekw

fleet whale
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@sharp hollow cause it's been buffed like 4 times since launch

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that's the true startegy: start the expansion as complete garbage and blizz will keep buffing you

limber lion
balmy condor
stoic needle
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Pasassin is like using action replay in pokemon and then gloating when he beats you with a full team of legendaries

limber lion
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The casuals are brainwashing you

balmy condor
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Cause that’s actually hard farmable

gray fjord
limber lion
balmy condor
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But then I realized

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Vault exists

limber lion
fleet whale
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is Passassin the new Peen?

frozen karma
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@balmy condor what type of dmg are blades in m denathrius and what can we do during big overlap to stay alive

limber lion
stoic needle
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Asking whispyr m questions kekw

fleet whale
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i mean in terms of this channel's perception lol

limber lion
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Peen got great parses because he was the only one playing the spec back then lel

icy ember
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yo for zoldycks do i go w/feet or legs

fleet whale
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people didn't like peen using ambush on opener and on sepsis

limber lion
stoic needle
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And double garotting

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Peen is kinda proof that sin openers don't matter feelskek

limber lion
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Idk about that

icy ember
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ty glad it wasn't a spot for gems

frozen karma
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@stoic needle he's doing the defensive sheet no?

icy ember
limber lion
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Because when Assa started seeing more gameplay, he fell down like a rock

fleet whale
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it's not like he's a bad player though or anything

balmy condor
fleet whale
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he was like a 94 average during NYA

limber lion
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94 silenceheathen

frozen karma
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@balmy condor ty

fleet whale
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i mean 94 average isn't amazing but it's still really good lol

stoic needle
limber lion
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I'm sad I never got to kill N'zoth with my new guild.

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I only killed it once ever.

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And that was the most Pepega kill ever

limber lion
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Yo how long do +2's take to complete

fleet whale
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it's funny when you see most of the top Heroic parses for sin aren't even using PI lol

limber lion
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I need 1200 valor for my Phial ionsadhours

fleet whale
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prolly like 10-20 mins depending on dungeon

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and group

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maybe less than 10 if you are really geared

balmy condor
stoic needle
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I feel that deep in my soul

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Looks like my classic guild's logs

fleet whale
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i see a lot of slackers

limber lion
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As much as I hate to say it, but quite often it stands true

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Team is holding me back

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Just like in League

fleet whale
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well yeah, faster kill times mean more dps

brittle pawn
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moar execute dam

limber lion
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Jk I suck major cock in League

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That's on me

balmy condor
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It’s just 36k dps whispyr, fucking pump harder

stoic needle
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I know it's classic but

hollow jungle
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Fuu owned Nya for a hot minute if I recall

stoic needle
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I feel your pain whisp

fleet whale
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the funniest part of your parse is that a demo lock is third lol

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beating a bunch of BMs and arms warriors

stoic needle
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Shoulders hurt from carrying

balmy condor
fleet whale
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i mean that's funny too

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but like you have a meme spec beating op meta specs lol

limber lion
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It did 0 cleave/aoe damage

fleet whale
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@stoic needle people say current wow balance is bad, yet right there an 8th parsing rogue beats and 84 frost mage lol

limber lion
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And all damage came from the tyrant

balmy condor
limber lion
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Imagine doing 50% of your damage with just Vendetta pepe_ball

gusty mirage
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as long as I can push it

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and not worry about anything else

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sign me the fuck up

stoic needle
fleet whale
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classic wow balance is horrid

scarlet sequoia
gusty mirage
brisk badger
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!guides

prisma monolithBOT
hushed sphinx
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hello friends does anyone have a nice dot plater profile

limber lion
balmy condor
deep solstice
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so they can farm for things to upgrade at the same time?

balmy condor
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Well then it’s not a valor farm is it

limber lion
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You get your item from a +15 then you farm +2's

gusty mirage
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hey woah

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I'm the only idiot allowed

stoic needle
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Some of us need more than one item

limber lion
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Ok fair enough

dreamy lantern
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are you guys even getting invited?

gusty mirage
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I need the neck from spires + a phial

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and I cba to do spires

dreamy lantern
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cus im not, with 1500 rio

zenith viper
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does the valor reward not change with key level?

next solar
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just got phial on my first 16 PF run today

gusty mirage
balmy condor
zenith viper
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ug...i hate horses

stoic needle
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I need literally half of plaguefall's loot table I'm so mad

dreamy lantern
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this is bs ;( and no ones joining my key +18

dull cloak
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12 pf done and no phial gang

stoic needle
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I could have my Phial maxed but I upgraded a ring first instead because I was expecting it to take me dozens of pf to get it and then I got it in the very next pf ytho

jaunty arrow
gusty mirage
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tfw when melee auto attacks are still your #2 damage

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ty blizzard

balmy condor
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I believe

stoic needle
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The damage breakdown with doomblade is beautiful

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Envenoms #1

balmy condor
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And that’s it

gusty mirage
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@balmy condor I spent so many hours in theater today, I feel dirty

dull cloak
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tilting thing is i got the pf ooze trinket at 226 three times from vault this exp. game us trolling me

stoic needle
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?

limber lion
gusty mirage
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someone ban him

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that's literally the definition of griefing

fringe dust
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ooze not phial lol

gusty mirage
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oh

dull cloak
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Oooze

brittle pawn
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hes talking about the minion spawner

dull cloak
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ok

gusty mirage
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damn

brittle pawn
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i got it twice, too

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😦

stoic needle
gusty mirage
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I just get triggered when I see "226" and "pf" in the same sentence

balmy condor
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Ooze? Must be talking bout deez nuts

stoic needle
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Bis setup

limber lion
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Hey, a trinket's a trinket.

gusty mirage
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GOT EM

deep solstice
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I has pox and phial on the same week, chose to take phial since it was a much larger upgrade at the time. Got phial again 2 weeks later, still havent seen pox again.

stoic needle
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Imagine not wanting to be part of the ooze gang

gusty mirage
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and cry

torpid spoke
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Flag is prob getting nerfed in pvp

deep solstice
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lol

gusty mirage
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the conduit might, but the ability won't be

limber lion
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I need to start doing PvP and abuse the shit out of it

lapis jewel
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I keep saying that about Arms warriors, still hoping.

dense hamlet
limber lion
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I'm dog shit at PvP so maybe this is the time to shine

dense hamlet
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it literally isnt even good

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dont talk about it they will find out

deep solstice
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im happy my sin set finally outsims my outlaw set single target

quiet juniper
dense hamlet
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yep

quiet juniper
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why ? the damage on a burst and st seems rly nice

dense hamlet
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i was joking

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watch the vid

fringe dust
quiet juniper
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yea i'm watching the video

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that's why I was at a loss

split veldt
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my ptr just updated

fringe dust
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watch it with the sound on lol

split veldt
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WHAT COULD IT BE

quiet juniper
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yea im doing it lol

fleet anchor
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I dunno if I would really call it burst. Seems a little misleading when it’s over 12 seconds. In PvP that’s an eternity lol

quiet juniper
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but is the burst that good for assa rogue too ?

ebon bramble
torpid spoke
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Just let us have this one thing

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Pls

dense hamlet
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for assa its not a burst

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its abit better for sub tho

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u literally can pump 2 finishers and thats alot

burnt star
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So. 18 pf run. Not a single phial drop

fleet anchor
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Shadow Blades bug was a little ott but with that fixed I dunno how amazing it really is

dense hamlet
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true

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ppl are like playing darkshadow and stuff now

quiet juniper
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im rly hesitating between necro and venthyr, even with recent buff and all the cp you gain with necro, venthyr just seem so much ahead in st and pvp

burnt star
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Im even considering spammimg +3 and just waste 3200 valor on it..

fleet anchor
#

I mean better than the others though so why not I guess.

ebon bramble
#

is CT any good for single target?

fading wigeon
#

no

hollow escarp
#

you want it in M+ though

#

even on tyranical

balmy condor
#

you cast it single target, but it's not good

ebon bramble
#

poison jar seems ok in aoe lol if it procs at the right moment

hollow escarp
#

it's uncapped aoe PepeClown

ebon bramble
#

oh

#

i hope they cap it in the future

#

cant have fire mage powers

fringe dust
#

take that back do it now

balmy condor
#

yeah why would something with "bomb" in the name

#

do aoe damage

#

lmao

fading wigeon
#

LOL

balmy condor
#

that sounds like a single target talent to me

dusky vault
#

In legion it was kekw

ebon bramble
#

i mean

#

are you really looking for logic

hollow escarp
#

fan of knives capped makes sense because you can only carry so many knives

ebon bramble
#

in a blizz game?

hollow escarp
#

can Pikaboo stop playing Venthyr

#

he made blizz nerf kyrian

slender trail
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
fleet whale
#

if it gets any nerf it will be a pvp only nerf

hollow escarp
#

yeah, that happened to kyrian

#

iirc

#

it was funny that in that hotfix list they also nerfed Nightstalker for assassination, that was before any aura buff

fleet whale
#

flag is strong in pvp but i don't find it nearly as oppressive as other covenant things in pvp

stoic needle
hollow escarp
#

now it would slam

grim jay
#

do you guys manage to get 30 stacks with flag often?

stoic needle
#

Not really

balmy condor
onyx wind
#

consistently with lust

fleet whale
#

if you kill something yeah, but otherwise it would be very hard to do

stoic needle
#

I usually get 25ish

onyx wind
#

25 or so without

valid plaza
#

Usually like 24

grim jay
#

I'm mostly around like 25-ish

limber lion
onyx wind
#

realy bad rng is 20

stoic needle
#

Honestly like

hollow escarp
#

maybe you could get with mouseover mfd if there are low ads around? PEPW

stoic needle
#

Even at 15 it's good

fleet whale
#

if you are getting good rng with blindside and seal fate

#

you can get close

gray fjord
#

Execute phase blindside makes it easier I imagine.

fleet whale
#

it's really crit that helps you with flag stacks, more so than haste

strange python
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
#

Warrior's banner helps silenceheathen

hollow escarp
#

PI

tired citrus
#

Any idea when elaborate planning becomes better than blindside?i guess its a haste thing

onyx wind
#

im consistently getting 30 with PI or lust

hollow escarp
#

have you guys seen the unholy rogue on the mythic logs?

fleet whale
#

@tired citrus if you get 4 PIs EP will be better 😛

stoic needle
#

We do not speak of the padder

tired citrus
#

ye i saw that

stoic needle
hollow escarp
#

who tf gets 8 pi? peepoRage

stoic needle
fleet whale
#

i think it's hilarious that he runs vigor too

grim jay
#

just played some sin on our twink hc run. kinda sad I slept on changes and didnt safe some ash/swapped cov. no chance to get really good dps with 190 legendary and below 30 renown 😄

fleet whale
#

with all those pis

#

like wtf

tired citrus
#

he is running base 750 haste aswell if we are talking about the chinese denathrius rogue

strange python
#

how to know if I have to go vigor/DS EP/blindslide? just sim?

fleet whale
#

pretty much yeah

strange python
#

boring... 😦 ty ❤️

fleet whale
#

i would imagine BS is better for like 96% of sin rogues though

#

in ST

crimson palm
#

hello what is crit cap

limber lion
#

EP/Vigor pulls ahead for me on 2 minute fights

gray fjord
#

It's not 8 PIs to be fair. Only 5 and 3 NF Priest buffs. kekw

hollow escarp
#

what do I do with all this anima? PeepoShake

unknown.png
limber lion
#

But on 3 minutes it's BS/DS again

fleet whale
#

@hollow escarp buy that cool looking dagger for xmog

#

if you are venth

tired citrus
#

How much haste you run Ceverion

hollow escarp
#

gonna swap now

#

from NF

fleet whale
#

oh

hollow escarp
#

not sure what to buy yet

strange python
limber lion
#

15%

limber lion
strange python
#

okay

#

thank u dude

hollow escarp
#

even as NF I sim BS/DS

brittle pawn
hollow escarp
#

with both doomblade and zoldyck

hollow escarp
tired citrus
#

im running 15% aswell BS/DS i guess we need about 20%+

strange python
#

I pprefer vigor gameplay than DS in ass

#

but ok

hollow escarp
#

if my npc wasn't ugly, I would set pfp with that

#

btw, can I still do the trick to buy stuff before transfering covenant?

#

and then refunding?

brittle pawn
#

yea

hollow escarp
#

nice

limpid bison
#

People going venth? Are you guys swapping just for raid and pvp and dealing with it in m+, or is it good in m+?

hollow escarp
#

I did it for raid

#

if I only played M+ I would have probably stayed Korayn

balmy condor
#

venthyr is strong in m + too

#

there's sims in the pins

#

you can see all the comparisons for yourself

hollow escarp
#

also dungeon bonus

#

pretty crazy to have a venthyr in SD

#

and HoA

cloud dune
#

😮 I legit just realized Blizz brought cut to the chase back for assa rogue

balmy condor
hollow escarp
#

that was a nice surprise I guess

iron orchid
#

Just went out from raid, forgot to change leggo, timed Mists 19 ...

hollow escarp
#

lol

iron orchid
#

with doomblade

limpid bison
#

Haven't had a chance to look at the pins, at work.

cloud dune
#

thanks, whispyr. I've been here for years, but I pay almost zero attention to it due to my playtime dropping to less than an hour a week

ebon hull
#

how viable is it to play assassination in m+?

gusty mirage
#

how high do you wanna go?

brittle pawn
limber lion
hollow escarp
#

it's fine

balmy condor
stoic needle
hollow escarp
#

I feel more comfortable as outlaw in m+ though

#

not for dps

gusty mirage
#

gouge is so nice to have

#

and that's why I'm not switching

hollow escarp
#

just because you don't tab target unless you need to cc

stoic needle
#

Outlaw is a lot more chill

#

Less work for more damage

#

Makes me mad lol

agile geode
#

mmm

hollow escarp
#

I don't mind it

agile geode
#

assa is so slow

hollow escarp
#

I like multi speccing

agile geode
#

got 18% haste

gusty mirage
#

but tbh, if people want to know if assa is viable in keys they should know that a rogue's job in keys is control & pride damage

#

and assa does that just fine

agile geode
#

a few rn

dense axle
gusty mirage
dense axle
#

isnt it like the highest APM int he game?

#

oh, nvm then

#

zoomers gonna zoom

iron orchid
hollow escarp
iron orchid
#

guess what

valid plaza
#

Outlaw is less work? Man... I can't do it. Rtb, pistol shot procs, keeping up BtE and SnD... Blade flurry when it comes up but not before it wears off... Just so much to watch out for in M+... lol

stoic needle
# dense axle wut

It's literally just ooga booga blade flurry sinister strike dispatch pistol shot

#

+bte

#

On one target

hollow escarp
dense axle
#

that means it's simple. Not necessarily chill

limber lion
ebon hull
#

My question is because I am switching to rogue but I find the outlaw rogue complicated to learn to play.

dense axle
#

when I think chill I think UHDK

limber lion
#

With Assa you have to constantly swap targets and keep track of poisons/bleeds on multiple targets

balmy condor
shy dust
balmy condor
stoic needle
#

It's still less work than sin in keys

dense axle
bold jetty
#

u guys run 1 oil and 1 shaded stone on weapons?

subtle tundra
#

all of this is just a very biased conversation

gusty mirage
#

double stone gang

subtle tundra
#

sin mains say outlaw bad

limber lion
#

Double Shaded

#

!oil

prisma monolithBOT
#

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

subtle tundra
#

outlaw mains say sin is bad

stoic needle
#

No

valid plaza
#

Feel like Sub was the easiest in keys, but the damage just isn't there. =/

stoic needle
#

I didn't say outlaw is bad

#

I just said it's less work in m+ than sin

shy dust
stoic needle
#

Which is just true

shy dust
#

consider sin to be the easiest

subtle tundra
#

it was just a way of saying "bad thing"

shy dust
#

its a beginner spec

subtle tundra
#

not necessarily bad

rotund arch
#

Sub’s AOE rotation has got to be the easiest in the game

dense axle
hollow escarp
#

there is a big group of rogues hating on assa for some reason

ebon hull
burnt star
#

Who says rogue job isnt to do damage..

shy dust
#

you can play whatever you want in keys and be fine

stoic needle
rotund arch
#

Storm, powder, repeat

burnt star
shy dust
#

Outlaw is the meta and is more attractive and will b easier to get into pugs

burnt star
#

My 14th HoA. Says otherwise

agile geode
#

necro?

dense axle
#

nice dude

shy dust
#

but you can run highish keys as assassination

gusty mirage
#

sick mistweaver bro

burnt star
#

Nah venthyr before the fix

stoic needle
#

Pog

hollow escarp
burnt star
#

That was venthyr last week while i was at 20 renown

hollow escarp
#

but I play both

agile geode
#

now ure still venthyr?

burnt star
#

Yah. For assa

#

I only play law in m+

hollow escarp
burnt star
#

Its fun to have 60% haste hahaja

valid plaza
burnt star
#

With vanish/ks/ma. U get it so often

hollow escarp
burnt star
#

But raid assa is so much better

#

Its life

stoic needle
#

Doing a dynamic rotation on a prio target and automatically cleaving everything around you is less effort than doing a dynamic rotation on every single target in a pull

#

That's all I'm saying really

hollow escarp
#

now I have 2 rogues venthyr NotLike need to change the venthyr one to NF

burnt star
#

Ya assa in key is way more challenging then outlaw

#

But. Outlaw u can solo cc mob

hollow escarp
#

outlaw is control king

stoic needle
#

Sin's rotation is less dynamic than outlaw, but just the target swapping alone and managing dot timers makes it more effort

brittle pawn
#

i miss my 8.3 arms war in keys

hollow escarp
#

feels so good to disable all mob packs

brittle pawn
#

i want that level of ooga booga

hollow escarp
#

and people love you for it

burnt star
#

Ya target swapping. And knowing how long they live

#

The more u run as assa. The better u are. The curve is way higher then law

#

Its a different play style

hollow escarp
#

in raid assa is easier

stoic needle
#

Definitely

hollow escarp
#

it's the perfect spec for a new rogue

burnt star
#

Its script

#

U always gonna have the same thing at the same moment

#

So u can min max a lot

stoic needle
#

It's really good for learning boss mechanics too

#

Cuz you still do decent damage during downtime

ebon hull
hollow escarp
#

well yeah, people always meme that "this spec brain dead" but you can find bad players playing any spec PEPW

burnt star
#

Like on sludge. U know u can shiv. At x moment. But not paste this. Otherwise u skip a shiv pullar

rugged zephyr
#

is it possible to be "viable" in mm+ as an assa rogue ?

hollow escarp
stoic needle
#

I got Ksm as sin

#

Dei does 18-19+ as sin

balmy condor
#

Play 👏 whatever 👏 you 👏 fucking 👏 enjoy 👏

hollow escarp
burnt star
#

U can possibly do high key as sin. Target lives long enough lol

hollow escarp
#

Ryfie is doing 22+ as sub rogue

visual stratus
#

Man so nice to see Assa performing well in raid so far this week

burnt star
#

This week. In 15... i cant even vendatta a mob for full duration

vagrant oak
#

High keys are more than manageable as sin if you're talking the 15-17 mark, idk about higher though

brittle pawn
#

quick, everyone sign up for whispyr's groups as necro survival

balmy condor
visual stratus
#

And what a drop off from MM holy shit

balmy condor
hollow escarp
#

him and seli were my sin streamers back in BFA Sadge

#

now they swapped

stoic needle
balmy condor
#

Ryfie is my streamer the fuck

vagrant oak
#

Quick question though, is zoldyck still bis for m+? I'm still seeing people run Doomblade in keys and I mean, I can see it if you're in tyrannical week

balmy condor
#

Find your own

#

Wth man

hollow escarp
stoic needle
#

I think people are getting a little mislead by the dungeon Slice sims and thinking that doomblade is good in aoe - it's not

#

They don't understand what a dungeon slice sim actually is

thorny jasper
#

hey having a hard time finding it, how many targets do you press fok at with doomblade?

vagrant oak
#

Yeah that was my thoughts as well

stoic needle
#

4+

thorny jasper
#

ty :)

vagrant oak
#

If you're pressing FOK you shouldn't be using Doomblade, that was the rule I set myself

stoic needle
#

Dungeon slice is roughly 50% single target, so that's why doomblade looks good

#

In dungeons like top or pf where you're nearly always focusing a priority target it can be pretty solid

#

Esp on tyrannical

#

But if you're doing big pulls it's a no no

vagrant oak
#

Yeah definitely, appreciate the clarification

burnt star
#

U playing zoldic or ma oshosi?

vagrant oak
#

Good to see sin in a better spot now too. I guess my last question is what is the value of MA on sin vs zoldyck?

burnt star
#

Im going m.a right now cause i have it r4

vagrant oak
#

I struggle to see what the value of the upfront burst is

stoic needle
#

It could work in other dungeons if you're with a coordinated group and they know you're gonna int on aoe for huge boss dmg

balmy condor
stoic needle
#

I play zoldyck but I will be upgrading my MA more for law and for sin so I can compare the two better

wise gull
#

Am I the only one who's getting parried all the god damn time?

hollow escarp
#

no

#

I get parried in opener MA window all the time

stoic needle
#

MA gives you aoe burst and priority single target burst if you want

burnt star
#

If u play on law: get ks/ma. And pair it with vanish!

#

Enjoy super burst

hollow escarp
#

not all the time, but I definetly can't forget when it happens

burnt star
#

On 5 target :)

wise gull
#

there is no worse feeling

stoic needle
#

And idk I just love the build to 5 cp > shiv > vanish > envenom MfD envenom. Never gets old

heavy skiff
vagrant oak
#

I guess I'll have to give it a go and see. I only have a crit vers MA ring so I think I'ma need to change the slot.

burnt star
#

Theres a learning curve to use ks perfeclly without diying

vagrant oak
#

Only thing on paper I could think of was the guaranteed crit for CP as sin

stoic needle
#

Your dots critting is pretty big

#

For that 4s

vagrant oak
#

Helps the opener I guess?

wise gull
#

KS/MA feels less fun to me than BR

stoic needle
#

Lots of big numbers

vagrant oak
#

Yeah

burnt star
stoic needle
#

Like if you 3x garotte, ct, rupture 1 or 2 and then vanish

#

That's some fucking burst right there

heavy skiff
vagrant oak
#

Waaaaaait okay I think it's clicked. That's to do with if you stay in stealth everything continually crits right?

burnt star
#

Well thats for pride

vagrant oak
#

Thanks to MA

burnt star
#

On aoe pack. Its fun. Specially those last zombie in pf

#

U solo a pack to urself

#

Trick. Bf. Zoom zoom zoom

#

Dead

heavy skiff
#

Fun is feeling like a dh and going al over the place whil the grouo has no idea where the red thing is gonna end

stoic needle
#

I wouldnt sit in stealth for longer than a second to regain some energy though tbh

vagrant oak
#

Yeah of course. Having 6 empowered garrotes is a big deal though regardless

#

I'ma have to give it a go. Is it worth swapping my ring to the other slot?

#

Currently a crit vers ring at 190

stoic needle
#

Hmm

vagrant oak
#

Did that for flexibility early on when I was a scrub

stoic needle
#

Since it's only 190 that's not a lot of ash wasted so it's not bad

#

But I think that ring sims higher

#

You want haste vers

livid temple
#

Is it worth my trying assassination in keys or should I just stick to my outlaw for M+?

burnt star
#

Btw. Do u garrote garrote garrote. Then rupt. During that ma window?

stoic needle
#

The crit is devalued because of restealths

burnt star
#

Or u CT

stoic needle
#

CT

burnt star
#

Thats what i felt

vagrant oak
#

Absolutely

stoic needle
#

Mine is vers/mastery

#

It only sims 2 dps worse than haste vers so I'm not going to recraft I don't think

burnt star
#

How u open on s.t in m+ with m.a

vagrant oak
#

Alright you lot have convinced me to try MA

#

Appreciate the advice people!

burnt star
#

Like for boss/pride

stoic needle
#

Mut snd mut rup gar

burnt star
#

No garrote from stealth?

#

Ah wair nvm its at the end

limber lion
#

Yeah you open with garrote

burnt star
#

And srill in stealth window

limber lion
#

Oshosi is trolling

#

Gar mut snd mut rup

#

With subt + ma

burnt star
#

Ya i was doing that

#

I read somewhere double garr. That felt bad

limber lion
#

no

#

Stop watching Infexious' videos

hollow escarp
#

it was in bfa

brittle pawn
#

that was teh bfa way

stoic needle
#

It's not a huge deal either way as long as you get 2 ma muts

hollow escarp
#

wait, Infexious says that now?

burnt star
#

Not watchint him haha

balmy condor
#

Infexious is a silly goose

hollow escarp
burnt star
#

I read it here somewhere. Maybe it was in reference to him

vagrant oak
#

The two MA muts give 4 CP hey?

#

Cuz guaranteed crits?

stoic needle
#

Yeah

vagrant oak
#

Damn son

hollow escarp
#

it's probably BFA info, it was because of shrouded suffocation

stoic needle
#

Rip MA in NW Sadge

vagrant oak
#

Never forget SS

#

:(

hollow escarp
#

I still found myself doing it this expansion out of habit

limber lion
#

Have you watched too many of his videos

vagrant oak
#

I only ever double garotte if I'm vanish pandemic window for it on ST

limber lion
#

Or what's happening

stoic needle
dense axle
#

my computer just popped up and told me WoW is playable now guys. Big Pog

limber lion
#

Even if he was lel

hollow escarp
dense axle
#

IKR

minor void
#

Are we supposed to run Lashing Scars over Well-places steel?

dense axle
#

yes

limber lion
hollow escarp
#

145 lashing > 213 WPS PEPW

gusty mirage
#

just be lazy on your renown and run both 4heads

vagrant oak
#

If Venthyr, use lashing always, otherwise WPS (assuming same Ilvl)

minor void
#

kk

#

thanks

stoic needle
#

Tfw you'll never feel the glory of vend > vanish > kyrian spear > envenom MfD envenom ever again pepehands

livid temple
#

I feel bad for Sub, I feel like they always get left behind, at least someone at blizz likes sin

gusty mirage
#

it's not even that, at least I don't think. It's just blizzard doesn't know wtf to do with sub

vagrant oak
#

I feel like they'd have more room to do shit with sub if they weren't busy adding legos in that suck a load of its power budget

gusty mirage
#

they took away its one niche of converting aoe -> st

vagrant oak
#

I feel like MA unfortunately did that

balmy condor
#

What

gusty mirage
#

and they've been all over the place with it

balmy condor
#

All our legendaries are dog shit

limber lion
balmy condor
#

What power budget is it sucking

brittle pawn
hollow escarp
#

oh my

balmy condor
hollow escarp
#

a warrior friend was complaining about that legendary

#

A WARRIOR

#

in pvp

balmy condor
#

Reck.... you know what

#

No

#

I don’t have the brain cells for that

gusty mirage
#

for pvp, I partly agree it's difficult to balance rogue when you give us a leggo that pretty much makes our go always crit

#

but it's not like they can't tune shit separately

balmy condor
#

So.... reck...

#

No

#

Stop it

vagrant oak
#

I think it's more an issue that we're made to feel like we're balanced around it

gusty mirage
#

as we saw with w/ echoing reprimand shrug

vagrant oak
#

I reckon if MA didn't exist there'd be more room to add strength elsewhere. Not so much a sin/outlaw problem but feels mostly a sub problem

gusty mirage
#

I had a vdh complain that a rogue could 100-0 him in stuns

#

I was like then you're bad wtf

hollow escarp
#

the problem with rogues is that they are not prepared for an ambush

#

so it feels more frustrating

#

even when we don't have damage

balmy condor
#

MORE than enough room

#

Like semi-truck levels of room

gray fjord
#

They've had balancing separate between PvE and PvP for like 4 expansions I think

balmy condor
#

New-unfurnished house

#

Levels of room

gusty mirage
#

I just chalk it up to, blizzard just doesn't feel like addressing it so they don't

gray fjord
#

They just don't do it. xD Unless it causes 1 shots in PvP then some times

vagrant oak
#

But when it causes one shots they just gut it in everything and say "oh they're good in one form of content"

gray fjord
#

^

gusty mirage
#

looks at ret pallies

gray fjord
#

Like how Rogues don't get raid utility

vagrant oak
#

All fair and valid opinions

gusty mirage
gray fjord
#

Because shroud exists

#

_> Like what?

gusty mirage
#

its so we can shroud other dps closer to out dps us

#

duh

vagrant oak
#

Dumb hey hahaha

#

Give us smoke bomb back in raid

gray fjord
#

^

fleet whale
#

don't you know, shroud is like the most amazing thing ever though

vagrant oak
#

That'd at least be nice

hollow escarp
#

I don't even use shroud because people think it makes them invisible and they ninja pull lol

gray fjord
gusty mirage
#

jdotb said that druids would give up brez for shroud omegalul

fleet whale
#

it's always WW monks who complain about this too lol

gusty mirage
#

and it was at that moment in time I stopped listening to streamers about anything

hollow escarp
gray fjord
fleet whale
#

even in M+, shroud isn't as great as it used to be

vagrant oak
#

Rogues with convoke

#

Just bleed the fuck out of everyhing

#

Imagine that 😂

subtle tundra
#

yea its called feral

vagrant oak
#

Oof

gray fjord
#

tbf

polar apex
#

feral is shred and bite, dots mean nothing to feral

fleet whale
#

i mean honestly now i think our covenant abilities are fine

gray fjord
#

Feral convoke is kinda not that crazy

#

Still good of course

fleet whale
#

covenant abilities don't have to be convoke levels

gusty mirage
fleet whale
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better late than never

gusty mirage
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true

balmy condor
hollow escarp
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4 different roles

gusty mirage
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but ShRoUd is OP

fleet whale
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i mean part of this weird perception of rogues is that we don't really have an influential community guy

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except for like pika but he's pvp

vagrant oak
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"what if we gave them an ability that could cause them to use ALL their abilities at random with no cost?"

hollow escarp
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yeah

vagrant oak
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Hire me

gray fjord
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^ Dude

gusty mirage
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our most influential m+ guy rn is he who shall not be named right?

balmy condor
hollow escarp
balmy condor
gray fjord
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You're already a Blizz balance designer man, @vagrant oak That's the thing

limber lion
gusty mirage
balmy condor
vagrant oak
fleet whale
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I mean balance druids have Nagura, a fairly attractive female streamer who posts youtube content pretty frequently now

vagrant oak
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#leagueoflegendstunig

fleet whale
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of course blizz is gonna give more attention to balance lol

gray fjord
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SyNeRgY

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I hate that word some times.

gusty mirage
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burn it, BURN THE WORD

hollow escarp
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we don't have a big influencer because we are in the shadows 😂

prisma crescent
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Going into M Sludge as first time Assa, how are you guys holding your CDs?

gusty mirage
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it reeks of corporate consulting

gray fjord
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Synergy is my Scaling

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tbh

fleet whale
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like even perfecto, how many times does he actually talk about the state of rogue?

balmy condor
# gray fjord SyNeRgY

Cross Company, inter-platform, cloud computations that help with system growth and synergy, so we can provide a seamless back end for customer experiences

icy crater
balmy condor
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You want buzz-word salad? I can do buzz-word salad

vagrant oak
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My brain fried for a second

icy crater
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I don't know if you could fit more buzzwords in there if you tried

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fucking exactly lmao

gray fjord
vagrant oak
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Short circuit

gray fjord
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I'll send you a cake with a jackhammer in it when you reach the penitentiary.

balmy condor
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Perfect

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Thanks

gray fjord
balmy condor
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I thought this channel is my jail

gray fjord
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💔

balmy condor
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But good to know that it always gets worse

gray fjord
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That's only some times true

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btw is Zoldyck trash now