assassination

[onyx wind]

nadija ST

[blazing arrow]

Nadija yes

[onyx wind]

everything else is complicated

[shadow helm]

BRO

[gentle gyro]

be careful what you ask around here, others will call you entitled and flame you

[shadow helm]

h0w do u fucken reach 30% haste on flag opener

[gentle gyro]

you need mut crits

else not possible

[shy dust]

Please read the pins

[onyx wind]

Not even mut crits

u need FAT mut crits and blindside procs

[blazing arrow]

@steep hamlet any questions you have are easily answered by the pins on the upper right hand corner

[shy dust]

It states all of this

[stoic needle]

you need lust

[onyx wind]

or just lust ig

[steep hamlet]

ye tbh im just lazy

[stoic needle]

thistle tea

[twin robin]

Os flag conduit that oo?

[blazing arrow]

@steep hamlet well dont be lazy.

[gentle gyro]

i wanted to test that on the dummies actually

[storm forum]

how bad do potions need to be for thistle tea to be good enough to use?

[tacit pebble]

[blazing arrow]

@tacit pebble ???

Oh 15 buffs lmao

[storm forum]

15 PIs

[tacit pebble]

doesnt even count the warrior banners yet either in the buffs list lol

[onyx wind]

15 pi's and only 200 ahead of 2nd

[tacit pebble]

and he's gettin those with every vendetta

[onyx wind]

LOL

[wide ridge]

ikr

[stoic needle]

Bruh

15 pis

What in the world

[tacit pebble]

NF priest on a rogue is such a god damn waste too

[brittle pawn]

only 8 pi

[shy dust]

China loves to cheese logs

Sin likes PI

Tragic

[shadow helm]

hell yeah brudda

is it still EP and Subter on tyr weeks

[storm forum]

yes

[wide ridge]

also he's using vigor

receiving this many PIs

[hollow escarp]

true lol

[willow isle]

What covenant for m+ in 9.0.5?

[hollow escarp]

all are fine but check the pins

[nimble tartan]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gentle gyro]

short answer : go w/e you want except kyrian

[hollow escarp]

lol

[gentle gyro]

it's true lol

[regal fox]

do u guys hold flag until next vendetta or use it on cd

[amber flicker]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[brisk forge]

On cd

[gentle gyro]

only hold it if you won't get another cast of it

[plain thistle]

hey, just checking, if you clear raid on mythic you wont drop more renown if you clear heroic right?

[gentle gyro]

which sometimes can be hard to judge

you will, in fact

[plain thistle]

asking before I waste 2 hours

[gentle gyro]

you get renown from every difficulty

[worn path]

If the fight is less than 4.5 mins use it on CD, if it’s greater than 5 mins pair it with vendetta

[plain thistle]

hmmm nice

thx for the information, and I assume mythic +0 will drop 1 renown too?

every dungeon*

[regal fox]

thx

[vagrant delta]

Is the opener on IV for ST when using subt accurate? I haven't played sin since bfa, but I remember using garr twice to get the longer duration on the empowered garr. Is that not a thing anymore because of the loss of the azerite trait?

[gentle gyro]

no idea, haven't done that

[storm forum]

is this true even for longer fights (like 10 minute fights)?

[gentle gyro]

you no longer garrote twice

[blazing arrow]

@vagrant delta no. Seli hasnt updated the openers yet

[plain thistle]

will try later, dungeon is fast at least, easy to test

[worn path]

Not worth, it was only worth to do so because of the azerite trait

[worn path]

Yesir

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure he said a few days ago he did update the IV guides

[storm forum]

thanks

[vagrant delta]

TY

[blazing arrow]

@hollow escarp he did not

[wanton inlet]

how hard would I gimp myself by going Kyrian? Kinda like the Aesthetics lol

[hollow escarp]

I was on his stream

[blazing arrow]

Er let me check

[gentle gyro]

depends on what sort of content you do

[wanton inlet]

Heroic raiding/M+ and some pvp

[gentle gyro]

if you care so much about the aesthetics it's completely fine

like it's not giga trash, just a bit behind the rest

[wanton inlet]

sweet, thanks for the answer mate

[wide ridge]

you'll get benched on lfr sludge tho

[gentle gyro]

if you're fine not min/maxing then go w/e you want

[hollow escarp]

top 10 all stars mythic has 2 kyrians afaik

[wanton inlet]

my guild is not that hardcore so I guess I'll be fine

[brittle pawn]

2 nf

[weary marten]

guys what's fastest way to increase renoun ?

[brittle pawn]

play the game

[gentle gyro]

lfr. no joke.

[blazing arrow]

@hollow escarp apologies he did update it

[hollow escarp]

no need to apologize 😄

I know people asked him a lot on stream

[torpid spoke]

Does anyone know how to sim higher level legrndaries in gear compare on raid bots?

[blazing arrow]

I dont think he optimized it for each cov which I mentioned to him. Apparently it's a PITA to get the apls right.

I believe you play the opener SLIGHTLY different as venthyr vs fae

[regal crag]

wdym

[gentle gyro]

nvm misread

[regal crag]

DONT DELETE IT

LIVE OUT YOUR SHAME

[wide ridge]

shame delete

[gentle gyro]

xD

[weary marten]

If i go to venari and my only conduit under 200 is flagellation one, will it increase it to 200 if i buy the item ?

[gentle gyro]

hey it wasn't what he asked for

[wide ridge]

@weary marten correct

[gentle gyro]

i misread so why leave it

[regal crag]

because it's funny

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/2FMVkSL.png

here

[regal crag]

it's too late now smh

[blazing arrow]

@weary marten yes they only increase in 13 ilvl increments

Or by "tiers" I guess

[weary marten]

oh but i have the 145 since i just switched

[blazing arrow]

Then itll probably go to 200

Not sure though

[wide ridge]

then dont buy it

[vagrant delta]

@weary marten you have a high chance to get it from callings

[wide ridge]

venari increases a random conduit by 1 'rank'

so if it's 184, next rank is 200

then 213 then 226

[weary marten]

there is a 184 on map

so i'll get it first

[gentle gyro]

before you waste stygia on it, do callings

or that, even better

[wide ridge]

I got my 200 one from wb

[subtle kiln]

pug normal sire

[stoic needle]

Had my 200 before I even switched

And got 213 from h sire this week

[vagrant delta]

I did my first three callings and got it from all 3, not sure if it is 100 percent, but it's damn high if not

[pale fossil]

Doomblade or Zoldyk for Sludgefist?

[wide ridge]

zoldyck is good for prog

[weary marten]

doomblade they said

[pale fossil]

Ima just check top logs haha

Would be prog though

[spice spire]

DB good

[fervent osprey]

i have no legendary yet for sin, raid once a week hc and rest m+ on sin, which legendary to craft first?

[gentle gyro]

aren't people going MA for Sludge?

[wide ridge]

idk, are they

you mean MA leggo?

[strange python]

what is the best slot for doomblade?

[quiet juniper]

is there a better lego than ma for pvp only ?

[gentle gyro]

i thought so yeah, but i might have misunderstood it for the talent?

[wide ridge]

probably the talent

[dark hollow]

y’all can rip my zoydlock legs from my cold dead M+ centric hands.

[wide ridge]

sephuz is good too

[stable arch]

how do i sim oil vs stones?

[weary marten]

which in ST you'll always run i think

[livid temple]

Right now it seems like my melee is doing just a little bit more damage than my envenom, am i wasting globals or not envenoming enough?

[lunar pelican]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gentle gyro]

yeah that's why i thought people meant the legendary

because the talent is default for ST

[wide ridge]

high vers will get your melees do most dmg

[quiet juniper]

what is sephuz ? ._.

[gentle gyro]

pvp legendary, basically

https://i.imgur.com/TZ68MmS.png

[livid temple]

@wide ridge Ahhh okay, right now im 25% crit, 19.5% haste, 18% mastery & 15% Versa

[gentle gyro]

@quiet juniper

[quiet juniper]

ohhh ok

[wide ridge]

bought from pvp vendor

1500honor

[stoic needle]

Maybe I'm a scrub but I don't see that being better than ma or doomblade for sin

[wide ridge]

I prefer ma too

[pale fossil]

It looks to me like people are using DB on Sludgefist

[gentle gyro]

i mean sephuz is never bad for pvp

[wide ridge]

4cp on mut

[gentle gyro]

but surely also never better than MA

[weary marten]

MA offers burst damage, doomblade more pressure, sephuz doesn't bring much except every time you kidney

[wide ridge]

it procs on kicks too

just don't get juked

[stoic needle]

You can do some disgusting burst as sin with ma right now

[blazing arrow]

Read the pins please

[stoic needle]

Especially with new flag good lord

[wide ridge]

how do you open with flag and MA leggo

do you flag before mfd kidney?

sounds..risky?

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah ma is nice for PvP but it’s gimped af compared to doom blade in raid

[neon rampart]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[stoic needle]

With rupture and garotte up, mut to 5cp, kidney vend flag shiv vanish envenom mfd envenom

[knotty sparrow]

Ambush after envenom IMO

[wide ridge]

you 1cp envenom?

[gentle gyro]

or you go the oshosi build

[knotty sparrow]

You could ambush envenom ambush envenom mfd envenom with Subterfuge

[stoic needle]

Yeah that's true I guess ambush would be better there

[pulsar heron]

Referring to the pinned leggo sims on 3/5, it looks like doomblade is best overall, with it being barely behind zold on dungeon slice, but quite a bit ahead on ST. Does this mean it could be seen as best overall?

[gentle gyro]

for now, yes

[stoic needle]

No, you misunderstand dungeon Slice sims

Dungeon Slice sims are 50% st which makes doomblade look really good on them

[gentle gyro]

doom is best overall for ST

[pulsar heron]

mmm? please elaborate

[stoic needle]

In reality doomblade is bad for aoe

[gentle gyro]

but zoldyck beats it in m+

[pulsar heron]

aaaaah

[stoic needle]

You wouldn't use doomblade in any dungeon unless it has small pulls

[weary marten]

in dungeons would you run MA or zoldyck ?

[stoic needle]

They're both fine I prefer zoldyck though

[knotty sparrow]

MA crimson tempest is kinda nutty

In m+

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck crimson tempest is also nutty

On every pack

[weary marten]

since our 3 first GCD are forced to be garrote MA is strong if you vanish

[pulsar heron]

Im just getting back into Assa this patch, used to love it. Just trying to figure out where i can sink my ash

[stoic needle]

Zoldyck boosts the initial damage of ct

[pulsar heron]

ty for the info

[mental wing]

this 8 Pi chinaman is annyoing

[knotty sparrow]

I have a 210 zoldyck and rather than upgrading it I’m saving for a doomblade

[stoic needle]

You could use doomblade on theater of pain or plaguefall but that's about it

[weary marten]

yeah do both 210 zoldyck and doomblade

[pale fossil]

So if I'm purely choosing to learn Sin for ST Raid bosses and playing Outlaw otherwise, it sounds to me like DB is the move.

[weary marten]

in ST 235 zoldyck was behind 210 doomblade for me

[knotty sparrow]

Doomblade also looks fun AF

[stoic needle]

Yeah it's crazy that 210 doomblade outsims 235 zold for me too lol

[brittle pawn]

doing nothing different looks fun?

[gentle gyro]

i get to test doomblade now

[fallen current]

zold on legs i assume?

[stoic needle]

Big envenoms are always fun

[pastel ibex]

As someone jumping off the sub train I am not a huge fan of outlaw, how much of a difference is there between outlaw and sin in keys?

[stoic needle]

It's pretty noticeably worse

[pastel ibex]

Damn...

[knotty sparrow]

Mut is just a boring spam btn, giving it an ignite should be baseline it’s such a good idea

[brittle pawn]

if you played sub in keys, i dont think you really care about performance

[fallen current]

oof

[pastel ibex]

That’s why I’m trying to get away from it 😂

[stoic needle]

Sin doesn't have the cc for locking mobs down in high keys, and is more effort to still do slightly less damage than outlaw

That being said I got Ksm with sin

[knotty sparrow]

MA KS is still king of keys

Outlaw

[silk elbow]

does numbing poison work on bosses?

[stoic needle]

So it's fine for up to like 18s and 19s

[stoic needle]

Yes

[pastel ibex]

I hate outlaw gameplay... dang it

[knotty sparrow]

Who cares anyway keys are lame

[stoic needle]

Tfw your ma is vers/mastery

[silk elbow]

so best to use Deadly / Numbing poison and not Crippling?

[stoic needle]

Keys are amazing get out of here

[knotty sparrow]

1550 io haven’t pushed keys in a couple weeks since I got the 226 phial

[stoic needle]

Crippling is good for keys when tanks kite

[knotty sparrow]

I don’t care anymore

Arena is so much funnier

[silk elbow]

ah, that would make sense

I was thinking more of CN

[knotty sparrow]

Sin with a healer in 2s is literally god tier enjoyment

If you haven’t tried it try it

[stoic needle]

How is getting dicked down by warriors and paladins more fun than running keys

You crazy man lmao

[knotty sparrow]

Bruh

[dark token]

I play sin in keys 15-18 atm and it does equal dmg to my outlaw but cc lockdown is harder for sure. Wouldn't play it if I was pushing hard

The extra range + gouge + more cp to spend on stuns in general is too good

[gentle gyro]

imagine playing pvp

[shell iris]

gouge is just too strong in m+

[stoic needle]

Make gouge baseline

[oblique kiln]

Fighting players will be Moreno treating them fighting predictable AI

[stoic needle]

I enjoy pvp but the current meta is not what I would describe as compelling

[oblique kiln]

Running the same dungeons over and over and over and over and over is compelling

You have a mental condition?

[karmic crystal]

READ THE PINS

[stoic needle]

The affixes changing every week makes it interesting

[karmic crystal]

RUSS READ THE PINS DAMNIT

[viral tartan]

PINS @limpid blaze

[stoic needle]

Also running with different group comps makes it interesting

[karmic crystal]

he read the pins LUL

baited

[limpid blaze]

what's the reason to open mutilate over ambush?

I was thinking for the 50 energy, ambush hits harder than mutilate per cast.
since we are using a slice&dice immediately after, is it even worth the potential 4 cp over 3cp, since that SnD will be extended by cut to the chase anyway?

or is there another benefit to use mutilate over the potential extra combo point generation?

[icy crater]

no just combo points if ur running d00mer then yeah that too

[limpid blaze]

ohhh doomblade proc i guess?

[spice spire]

Ambush doesn’t hit harder than mutilate - also

[stoic needle]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[swift rapids]

Doom blade

[weary marten]

cuz ambush = max 3 CP, doesn't apply doomblade ...

[gentle gyro]

3 or 4 cp shouldn't make a diff in the opener

but doesn't proc doomblade

[stoic needle]

But it does

[gentle gyro]

does it?

[weary marten]

that's a longer SnD window before your first envenom though

[icy crater]

when you have vendtta up you want your bleeds to last as long as possible

[swift rapids]

🥴

[stoic needle]

Mutilate is essentially 1/3 of an ambush because of blindside

The CP is better

[limpid blaze]

surely you're never going to lose SnD before your first envenom either way? but yeah doomblade proc is big i suppose

[stoic needle]

More poison proc chance

[stoic needle]

No

[wide ridge]

yeah blindside is a great argument

why use 50energy on ambush if you can get one for free

[weary marten]

and using mutilate with the 50% crit MA talent = 2 attacks that can crit + 1 deadly poison application + 1 instant poison that can also crit

[karmic crystal]

i mean you have two weapons and you want to hit them with one?? why??

[stoic needle]

Tbf ambush needs a buff

It should apply rupture like that one torghast power

[icy crater]

sims still press it when sepsis procs

[torpid spoke]

Ambush should hit with both weapons like mutilate

For sin only

[stoic needle]

Or it could do extra damage to a bleeding target or something

[torpid spoke]

Or give us 3 seconds of adrenaline rush

Heh

[weary marten]

what about teleport us behind target when used from stealth like Shadowstrike huh ?

[stoic needle]

Ambush has a 20% chance of resetting the cd of shiv

[weary marten]

that would be insane

[stoic needle]

Could you imagine

[knotty sparrow]

The fact you open mut from stealth makes subterfuge kinda garbage right? Aside from garrote dmg

[blazing arrow]

How about remove ambush from sin and replace it with a real execute

[knotty sparrow]

MA talent I guess is a lot better

[dull cloak]

bring back dispatch for sin

[torpid spoke]

Multi target is good for garrotes but ma for single target godlike

[stoic needle]

Give sin condemn

[knotty sparrow]

Ah right multi garrote

[blazing arrow]

Well dont call it dispatch butbyes

[knotty sparrow]

But ST the MA talent is best?

[blazing arrow]

Blindside is essentially the same passive proc sin had forever

[knotty sparrow]

Right

[stoic needle]

With subterfuge you open with garottes

[blazing arrow]

Back when dispatch was a sin a ability

[weary marten]

Though i don't like shiv becoming our old toxic blade, can't disenrage mobs when needed ...

[limber lion]

I'm so fucking tilted

[vale merlin]

whats the rotation for the necrolord ability?

[stoic needle]

They really need to separate shiv and toxic blade again

It's such trash

[blazing arrow]

@weary marten yes well we all hate that

[knotty sparrow]

I hate playing with blindside tbh

[limber lion]

I had a rank 1 pull OVERALL in HC HD and I died to a beam that someone didn't take out of the group

I'm tilted

[torpid spoke]

Just make blindside baseline and give us more fun 1 talent IMO

[weary marten]

i hate sub more than i hate blindside 😄

[knotty sparrow]

Blindside is annoying

[dull cloak]

It used to be at sub 30%, sin just use dispatch instead of mut, and it was more damage/energy efficient

[stoic needle]

Blindside is actually ultra pog for deeper strat sin

Costs no energy and gets you to 6cp easier

[weary marten]

deeper strat ? that's a thing in sin ?

[torpid spoke]

Why is blindside annoying it’s almost free damage

[limber lion]

I was at 8k dps when the boss was at 25% and I still had Flag/Vend coming up. BEst parse on the boss is 7.8k dpos

kill me

[knotty sparrow]

I dunno I just hate what it does to the rotation

Makes it feel funny

[torpid spoke]

It gets better the more crit you have and haste

[weary marten]

only in ST ? not DS ?

[gentle gyro]

eh, 4.3k dps before 2nd intermission on shriekwing. i take that

[stoic needle]

Yeah vigor or MfD for dungeons

[limpid blaze]

ty for answers, got my head around it now

[stoic needle]

Blindside and ct really need to be baseline

[torpid spoke]

I think If u sim it’s only a .8% difference between DS and vigor

[stoic needle]

That's a lot

[icy crater]

ct at the very least

[gentle gyro]

ye

ct basleine

[icy crater]

then just rework the last talent row

[spice spire]

Blindside was baseline at one point, and it was glorious

[knotty sparrow]

Also what keybinds are you guys using, mine look like this: 1: garrote, 2: mut, 3: SnD, 4: Rupture, 5: covenant ability, Shift1: ambush, shift2: shadowstep, shift3: fan of knives, shift4: shiv

Maybe I hate blindside because of my binds

[spice spire]

Execute class

[blazing arrow]

@weary marten yes DS is a thing for sin but sim first.

[stoic needle]

You should put ambush on shift+2

[torpid spoke]

Whatever makes your hands not hurt

[knotty sparrow]

Outlaw gives me carpal tunnel with similar binds lol

Shift R RtB

[blazing arrow]

@knotty sparrow dude we cant answer that it's what you're comfortable with

Keybinds are strictly preference

[knotty sparrow]

Fair enough

[gusty mirage]

1. mutilate 2. Garrote 3. Rupture 4. Poisoned knife 5. Feint 6. Fok T shiv, R ambush, shift + 4 snd, mouse 3 envenom

[torpid spoke]

With outlaw I bind ambush and sinister strike to the same key

[spice spire]

Oh I’m gonna get flamed for this.
1 Mut - 2 Envenom - 3 SnD - 4 Rupture - 5 Envenom - 6 Flag - 7 Shiv - E Garrote - R ambush,

[blazing arrow]

Seli has the most scuffed keybinds I've ever seen

[spice spire]

Utility it gets weird

[blazing arrow]

But its comfortable for him

[gusty mirage]

R Ambush twins

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/4qoyirJ.png

[torpid spoke]

Okay I simmed it again, vigor vs ds is only .3% difference not .8

[knotty sparrow]

Envenom/dispatch/evis are all bound to F for me

[weary marten]

actually same 1, 2, 4 and 6 than you 😄

[spice spire]

卄乇ㄥㄥ　ㄚ乇卂卄　乃尺ㄖㄒ卄乇尺

[knotty sparrow]

F is my big finisher

[stoic needle]

I don't even tell people about my keybinds because they don't make sense to you keyboard plebeians

[vale merlin]

whats the necrolord rotation

[stoic needle]

Imagine not using a keypad

[blazing arrow]

I learned keybinds from swifty back in wrath.

So I use q e f 1 2 3 4 for rotational stuff

[stoic needle]

Smdh

[spice spire]

Now I feel less weird

[gusty mirage]

DDR pad + Xbox controller master race????

[knotty sparrow]

I need Q and R for strafe

[blazing arrow]

@knotty sparrow ????????

[bleak sedge]

Imagine not using a flight stick smh

[stoic needle]

Razer tartarus master race

[torpid spoke]

No hold right click to move?!

[gusty mirage]

You can right click and A and D to strafe silly

[blazing arrow]

Rebind strafe to a d

[tepid iris]

KEYBOARD TURNER

[fallen current]

Yes.

[tepid iris]

GET HIM

[knotty sparrow]

Sorry q and E lol

[worn path]

Please tell me F1 is a button on your mouse lol

[gusty mirage]

E is kidney Q is blind

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[blazing arrow]

@knotty sparrow please tell me you use your mouse to turn

[gentle gyro]

no it isn't

[tepid iris]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-pitchfork-kill-burn-stake-gif-11227021

[knotty sparrow]

Yes...

[gentle gyro]

why would it be

[stoic needle]

Strafe on A and D or you're inting

[gentle gyro]

i don't use throw knife anways lol

[torpid spoke]

Some body once told me

[knotty sparrow]

You guys don’t strafe run at all?

[bleak sedge]

always though that i should get one

[fallen current]

I used a nostromo for years until the keys finally gave out on it.

[spice spire]

Q kick - V vanish - P is Shadowstep

[stoic needle]

Yall

[blazing arrow]

@knotty sparrow yea but most people rebind to a d for strafe

[knotty sparrow]

I strafe and turn with my mouse all the time

[fallen current]

Thumb movement best movement.

[stoic needle]

The razer tartarus is so fucking good

[torpid spoke]

I always put my kicks on “r” for some reason.

[knotty sparrow]

Reminding a and d I’ll try that

[gentle gyro]

but the blind next to it is bound to an extra mousebutton @worn path

[spice spire]

I’m a boomer, osh. I need a keyboard and mouse

[knotty sparrow]

My kicks are always ‘

[gusty mirage]

I needed A and D to spin a million miles an hour on my AH mount before it got nerfed

[spice spire]

It is for my immersion

[blazing arrow]

I mean play what's comfortable for you just dont fucking keyboard turn

[knotty sparrow]

~ kicks

[strange python]

I use EDSF to move. Qazwxrctghv for spells 1 2 3 for cds.

[vale merlin]

can someone please help me with the necrolord rotation?

[bleak sedge]

my kick is always on f. Fast muscle memory because of league lmao

[worn path]

Literally I unbind keyboard turning and s and use the arrow key if you for some reason need it to do weird shit. Bind strafe to a and d and slice and dice to s for the feels

[torpid spoke]

If anything run the command that increases keyboard turn speed lol

[spice spire]

Flash right?

[bleak sedge]

ignite

[spice spire]

Delete this rn

[bleak sedge]

no.

[strange python]

Lol

[queen galleon]

does vendeta works with usuable trinket ?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

D flash players

[worn path]

It’s d to dance and f to ignite cmon

[worn path]

D flash is master race

[bleak sedge]

im swapping to necro tomorrow. So excited :3

[torpid spoke]

D for flash lol why

[gentle gyro]

D flash is the only true way

[bleak sedge]

cuz its faster to reach

[blazing arrow]

F for flash you guys are heathens

[spice spire]

Good luck! d flash players 👉 🚪

[worn path]

Then when you say “press d to dance” and people press it it’s hilarious. Im a boomer

[blazing arrow]

D for Dignite

[spice spire]

Good luck on the Necro, those were two separate thoughts

[worn path]

F to pay respects as the ignite tick drops them to the floor

[stoic needle]

If I were to put it in keyboard terms, my mut is E, envenom on R, rupture on V, CT on shift+v, FOK on C, garotte on Q, SND on 1, ambush on 2, flag on 3, sprint on 4

[icy crater]

anyone run advanced sims here?

[spice spire]

SnD on one

[subtle tundra]

E and R for rotating camera gang

[stoic needle]

I've got feint, evasion, cloak and stealth on my d-pad

And cds and trinkets, kick and MfD on my mouse

And shadowstep

[ionic kelp]

what the fuck

[stark moat]

Spot the heretic

[spice spire]

This might be the spiciest take yet

Holy

[torpid spoke]

How can you not play shadowstep on mouse lol

[stoic needle]

Shadowstep is on my mouse lol

Shadowstep and door/soulshape

[spice spire]

I use it on P

[torpid spoke]

No I mean like I agree with you and how can you not do this

[worn path]

If you don’t play with a Bop-it, 2 guitar hero controllers, a foot pedal and a gear shifter for Vendetta you’re trolling

[blazing arrow]

I put rupture on square, envenom on triangle

[spice spire]

True!

[stoic needle]

Honestly I have no clue man

[pale fossil]

Sleeping on the DK Bongos smdh

[stoic needle]

Vanish is shift+space

Honestly the foot pedal for push to talk is secret bis

[worn path]

Can’t, too many straps around my neck

[stoic needle]

I need to get the 4 button foot pedal so I can move more CDs to there

[spice spire]

I have to alt+F4 for mut

[pale fossil]

Filthy casual

[wary ice]

I'm imagining the discord boop with my RLS

[knotty sparrow]

My vanish is Shift G

[wary ice]

??

[knotty sparrow]

Évasion Shift 5

And my cloak is Shift V

[wary ice]

[V]anish is on SHIFT V

[pliant roost]

Wow, mine seem to be qlot diff than most .Got all rotation abilities on mouse scroll, up/down with ctrl/alt/shift/shft+alt modifiers.. :pepeclown-1:

rest are CDs using buttons around movment keys

[stoic needle]

Shift space man

[knotty sparrow]

Shift DN is a good one too @stoic needle

[gentle gyro]

oshosi stop speaking right now

[stoic needle]

It's lit

[solar flicker]

Imagine having more than 2 mouse buttons

[celest rover]

Sprint is shift V

[knotty sparrow]

Shift C for sprint for me

[stoic needle]

Listen I'm gonna give y'all some knowledge

Throw your razer naga in the fucking trash where it belongs

And get a steelseries rival 500

[stark moat]

I got vanish/cloak/heal on mouse wheel alt for defensive cooldowns shift for offensive and 1-6 for attack spells

[plush oasis]

Stealth on S and vanish on shift+S. I haven't backpedaled in years.

[heavy skiff]

Mouse wheel anyone?

[knotty sparrow]

I tried getting a rival i could only overpay. Got a Logitech on sale

[gentle gyro]

[knotty sparrow]

The one with 12 buttons

[gentle gyro]

yes man

my FoK is middle mouse button

[celest rover]

I only use mouse wheel for my pally

[heavy skiff]

My fok is mwheel down

[blazing arrow]

@plush oasis eh backpedaling has its uses

[spice spire]

Reading this has tilted me harder than patch day for whispyr. Holy moly

[stoic needle]

You'll never mispress a button again

[blazing arrow]

And you can't tank without it

[spice spire]

I feel so much better about my key binds, you animals

[plush oasis]

Well my tank doesn't stealth either lol

[heavy skiff]

Oh mine are shit

[plush oasis]

Strafe backwards on a dps. You'll never go back.

[heavy skiff]

But cant get rid of fycking musscle memory

[twin robin]

C is sprint

[velvet nacelle]

anyone else stuck on 27 renown? i've done 7 raid bosses, 7+ heroic dungeons and at least 4 mythic dungeons since i hit 27 and the whole campaign is done

[twin robin]

Vanish f2

XD

[celest rover]

Alt shift F9 is vanish

[stoic needle]

Strafing backwards is strictly inferior to backpedaling when you need to dodge mechanics

[wide ridge]

I was stuck on renown 28 last reset, wouldn't upgrade it for satan's unholy might.

[stoic needle]

It's just slower

It's a fact

[iron orchid]

You know what ?

[pliant roost]

SnD alt f4

[torpid spoke]

Try pvp

[iron orchid]

You don't wanna be tilted by keybinds ?

[velvet nacelle]

making me feel like there's a hidden weekly cap

[iron orchid]

just mouseclick

no problem

[stoic needle]

Dei the clicker

[gentle gyro]

we have a clicker in the guild

6/10m btw

and he is our top boomie

[stoic needle]

Dei is like top 5 world sin rogue in m+

Clicker

[iron orchid]

I have most of my shit on keybinds

[stoic needle]

Smdh

SmH

[iron orchid]

but I mouseclick def cds

[plush oasis]

Top sin rogue in m+ though

[azure pewter]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[plush oasis]

How many sin rogues in m+?

[stoic needle]

I click my healing potions and healthstones ngl

[iron orchid]

Yes

[stoic needle]

A few thousand

[heavy skiff]

I click shroud

[stoic needle]

Ah yeah I click shroud too

Fuck binding shroud

[limber swallow]

I think shroud is the only thing I click...

[plush oasis]

Shroud on shift v

[spice spire]

I click a few things actually. Probably the most egregious is FoK

[stoic needle]

Clickers among us

[drifting light]

Distract click

[stoic needle]

They're everywhere

[iron orchid]

I just can't stand the alt-sth or shift-sth binds, and I ain't comfortable with bigger mouses

[stoic needle]

They're even me!

[iron orchid]

hands 2 smol

[plush oasis]

I do click buff potions though. Think that's the only thing.

[spice spire]

But CT is bound?

[limber swallow]

try this if you don't like alt / shift clicking.. put alt and shift on the thumb buttons of your mouse.

[cunning surge]

My keybinds are a little weird
Everything is on 1-= and Ctrl+1-=

[heavy skiff]

Get some foot pedals

XD

[plush oasis]

CT is bound to shift-middle mouse even though I haven't used in since BFA lol

[knotty sparrow]

I use ctrl for long cool downs cause it’s not comfy to press. Alt is better for me because my left thumb rests naturally on alt

[spice spire]

CT is my 8

[knotty sparrow]

Alt1-4 so ez

[weary marten]

thanks for the tip about deeper strat, i win 0.8% dps if i switch

[iron orchid]

FoK on mouse 3, CT on mouse wheel press

easy aoe

[solid mica]

what's the sim setting to have like patchwork+ adds spawning periodically?

[spice spire]

See that’s not super bad

[gentle gyro]

mouse wheel press is my FoK

[spice spire]

But mouse 3 is push to talk :/

[gentle gyro]

Mouse Wheel Press is just for shit you spam

[fluid blaze]

whats the opening sequence ?

[deft rampart]

I have everything bound, even poisons

[knotty sparrow]

Dungeon slice @solid mica ??

[gentle gyro]

also short note, doomblade is bonkers wtf

[heavy skiff]

Try swich that for mwup or down

[solid mica]

I was thinking something similar to innerva

[heavy skiff]

Was doing it like u till i made that change

[gentle gyro]

na man mousewheel is my zoom

i aint changing that

[plush oasis]

FoK/BF/SS are on shift+w for me. I know that one's a lil weird but it works.

[velvet nacelle]

do you change your zoom often?

i leave it at max zoom

[celest rover]

Shift+mousewheel to zoom 5head

[plush oasis]

But what if I need to zoom real fast?

[heavy skiff]

Shift mouswheel is evasion xD

[celest rover]

If you can't shift mouse wheel quickly then you have other problems to solve

[blazing arrow]

Yeah I have mouse wheel bound with shift alt

[velvet nacelle]

@celest rover haha

[plush oasis]

But real talk I use shift a lot. It would fuck with my other abilities if I changed the camera mid fight.

[fluid blaze]

I can't find the opening sequence anywhere :S anyone can help 😄

[livid temple]

Damn, didnt even realize how huge these Assassination sims are
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hxShm6isWr1HZZx1WWSZy2
like hot damn

[weary marten]

oh damn nice !

[rustic thunder]

lmao heirmir sims 100 dps below nija+scars for me

which is like 1,4%

i thought the difference is way bigger

[stark moat]

Seems like vent is the way to go we got a necro one?

[celest rover]

Oh. That'll do

[stark moat]

Haha nice

[stoic needle]

1.4% is pretty big

[stoic needle]

You're about to go fast

[exotic pulsar]

Does MA (TALENT, not legendary) affect trinkets?

[stoic needle]

That would be too much fun

[split cipher]

I don't believe so

[stoic needle]

And we all know blizzard has outlawed fun

[worn path]

I think mine are pretty normal..
shift mousewheel is stealth
Mut, garrotte, rupture, fok, envenom 1-5
Ambush, shiv, knife, CT, mfd shift 1-5
Kick R
Vendetta F on use trinket shift F
Evasion Q cloak E
SnD S
Then on mouse I have blind, step, sprint, cov abilities, smoke bomb, shroud, sap, gouge place holder and then shift/control modifiers for focus/arena targets for blind sap and step kick. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[exotic pulsar]

Rip

[split cipher]

Honestly the MoTMA nerf really hurts for torghast speed runs

[worn path]

Not as of 9.0.5

[exotic pulsar]

As outlaw I don't really feel it. But as sub / sin its bad

[split cipher]

Just the damage procs that get huge by the end

[exotic pulsar]

You want to hear some real bullshti?

MA no longer affects distracting charges

Found that out today

no more 50k distract bombs

[stoic needle]

Wtf

[exotic pulsar]

Even though its an ability I guess the explosion part isnt counted

[rustic thunder]

this is a bug

[worn path]

They changed MA to be a whitelist instead of just blanket crit for your character. If it’s not a rogue ability it’s not critting

Distracting charge isn’t a rogue ability

[limber lion]

Even less reason to take it then

[plush oasis]

Is there a way to sim one covenant against another?

[stoic needle]

Top gear

[balmy condor]

Click unlock soulbinds and sim another soulbind

[exotic pulsar]

Distract is a rogue ability. With that logic you could argue nothing in torghast is aninsert class ability but crit affects them.

[plush oasis]

Oh, I thought that was just for the one covenant. Thanks!

[weary marten]

wow i just tried to play deeper strat it feels so sloooow

[worn path]

Nothing in torghast that isn’t a rogue ability crits from MA. Most of our torghast powers buff our abilities so they crit. Distract is yes, but it doesn’t do damage and definitely doesn’t explode lol

[exotic pulsar]

Yeah and to me buffing distract to do an additional 20k damage is buffing the ability we have, not adding another.

[sharp pawn]

!opener

[vale merlin]

anyone know the rotation for the necrolord covenant

[sharp pawn]

when does flag come in play with opener

[exotic pulsar]

It's not like you need to have distracting charge on your keybinds. Normal distract works for it.

[worn path]

Distract does no damage? The damage comes from distracting charge not distract my dude

[exotic pulsar]

I understand but the charge comes from altering a normal rogue ability.

[worn path]

You must not understand what a white list is then. Hold on

[blazing arrow]

@stoic needle why do people like IQD

Lmao

Half the time it doesnt even do what you want.

[stoic needle]

Because it gives the most haste of any trinket

[blazing arrow]

Yeah if you dont heal someone instead

[celest rover]

I mean if you have half a brain and pay attention to the conditions before you pop it...

[stoic needle]

In bloodlust it's guaranteed to give a stat buff I believe

And theres a weakaura for it

[blazing arrow]

That reminds me I need to make a WA for skulkers

[stoic needle]

To tell you to unequip it?

[unreal fern]

Yea itis but there is so many condition that i rarely give stat in fight except on pull

[blazing arrow]

@stoic needle and equip what lmao

Bro if I get a dreadfire tonight believe me it's gone but I dont get trinkets this expansion

I only just got a 213 chain like w weeks ago

[stoic needle]

Just run plaguefall

[worn path]

@exotic pulsar MA only effects these abilities. Nothing else. No modifiers, powers, trinkets, nothing. Only what’s found in this list

[stoic needle]

I hear you but trinkets are farmable now

[blazing arrow]

Yes. I'll run plague fall. But who knows, could be 50 runs before I get phial

[celest rover]

Lemme get Phial with this IQD, that'd be fat

[exotic pulsar]

Yes and they forgot to put distracting charge on it.

Not sure how you don't understand that.

[stoic needle]

I saw 2 phials in 8 pf

[stoic needle]

There are no anima powers on the list

[blazing arrow]

Then I got to go get KSM which I I'm not wasting my time with for the next 2 weeks

[celest rover]

KSM takes 1 day tho

[stoic needle]

Not having ksm

1 day if you have a group *

[blazing arrow]

I have 900 IO lmao

[celest rover]

I pugged it in a day...

[blazing arrow]

You really dont grasp just how much I hate doing mythic +

[stoic needle]

You're extremely lucky

It took me weeks to build up the io and find a group to do 15s even

[gloomy fern]

well u will get the valor rdy by getting ksm at least

[worn path]

They didn’t forget anything?? Distract doesn’t have a damage value so it couldn’t crit?? The same reason sap, blind, grappling hook and shadow step aren’t on it.

[stoic needle]

The longer you wait the harder it will be to get into 15s as you fall farther and farther behind the curve

Just saying

[blazing arrow]

Well if I didnt have cunt guildees

[plush oasis]

Hmm. Venthyr is only simming +37 dps for me from night fae.

[gloomy fern]

but not doing at least one +14 every week is just inting urself

[blazing arrow]

It wouldnt be that much of a problem

[plush oasis]

Anybody here have experience with flag and outlaw in m+? Maybe the wrong place to ask but I know a lot of you probably swap to outlaw for m+.

[celest rover]

I just pushed my own key and didn't invite shitters ain't that hard

[stoic needle]

Yeah I didn't find a group until I pushed my own key

And tbh I got lucky when a dps+tank+healer queued into my key

[blazing arrow]

Well funny enough my first key tonight is 12 PF so

[celest rover]

Post the key, wait 5 minutes, and you'll have 75 people to pick from

[worn path]

Use it on CD on a high health target that’s going to live for 12 seconds at least

[blazing arrow]

Time to fail a key and want to die

[stoic needle]

And I was just like "TAKE ME WITH YOUUUUU"

[plush oasis]

@worn path does it seem to do well? Just worried a bit about making myself bad in m+ on accident.

But I do like the aoe disorient I can get.

[stoic needle]

Outlaw already pumps in m+

Being venthyr won't change that

[worn path]

It’s more bursty. If it’s used right it does well

[stoic needle]

It just changes your damage profile

Venthyr gives outlaw more st, to shore up it's weaknesses, while necro accentuates it's strengths

It's literally just personal preference

The haste from flag gives you more AAs to blade flurry so it's not like it does nothing in aoe

[plush oasis]

That sounds fine to me. Appreciate the feedback.

[worn path]

And you don’t need to have a hand growing out of your shoulder

[plush oasis]

HAH

(Who designed that damn thing???)

[stoic needle]

An intern

Obviously

[blazing arrow]

@stoic needle how long into this key tonight do you think I tilt off the earth

[spice spire]

5 seconds max

[stoic needle]

I give you until globgrog

[blazing arrow]

Plaguefall is my most hated dungeon too.

[stoic needle]

I'd offer to do it with you but my internet is down rn

[worn path]

Depends on the dungeon and how much of a fan you are of tornados

[stoic needle]

Bro I fucking

HATE

Plaguefall

[icy crater]

pf

is so

fun

[blazing arrow]

Oh dude I just eat the tornados that's my healers problem

[stoic needle]

I cannot wait to get my pox and ring and get the hell out

[stoic needle]

You're a monster

[gusty mirage]

Pox?

[blazing arrow]

You gotta accept storming os just a terrible mechanic and shouldn't be in the game

[gusty mirage]

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH OSH

[icy crater]

are u an sd lover or

[spice spire]

PF is fun until the third boss tbh

[stoic needle]

I need to offspec to be a good mythic raider

[worn path]

No one but boomkins love SD

[icy crater]

sd worst by far I think

[spice spire]

This man in a guild application out that he was outlaw offspec LMAO

[stoic needle]

I'm a spires kinda guy except the last boss

[icy crater]

spires is good

[stoic needle]

SHHHH

[gusty mirage]

just borrow my rogue if you need to go outlaw for a fight 4head. I have a 226 Pox :3

[stoic needle]

People don't know that sin pumps yet

[icy crater]

nw is ehhhh

[spice spire]

Any promising hits yet, by the way?

[gusty mirage]

I like Spires a lot, but I also hate myself so there may be a correlation there

[hollow escarp]

[spice spire]

Nice!

[stoic needle]

Yeah kind of? I think my standards are too high

[hollow escarp]

now I hope I get the ring in the vault

[gusty mirage]

I'm so proud of you

[spice spire]

Look for a lower mythic guild and unfortunately, just climb up the ladder my dude

[stoic needle]

I don't like using guilds as ladders to better guilds, makes me feel bad

[exotic pulsar]

But yet when you have the damage transfer ability in torghast with blind / sap MA forces crit on them. Hmmm.

[spice spire]

Some mid tier guilds understand that completely though

[gusty mirage]

Just come take my spot so I can finally quit the game

🙂

[stoic needle]

I would but why do you wanna quit

[spice spire]

And are happy to see their people push through. One of the recruiters is a GM for her guild on illidan and was like, we lost our DK during prog but he went to Lazarus so that’s fucking sick

[gusty mirage]

I essentially raid log now, I'm kind of burned out

[icy crater]

If I had good logs and SD down I'd prob quit

[gusty mirage]

doing 10-15 keys a week + 2 raid nights + feeling obligated to do rated pvp makes me not want to log in. Then add torAss on top of that and oh boy

[icy crater]

but im trash so, I'm trying to improve

[stoic needle]

wew

[worn path]

It’s not sap that’s doing the damage, it’s your abilities... on another target..

[stoic needle]

Yeah I totally get that

[gusty mirage]

I haven't done a key this week

[stoic needle]

I mean if you're looking for someone to take your spot hmu

I get it when you feel like you can't quit

[spice spire]

Oh tomorrow I’m doing an all melee mists 16, this will be perfect and nothing will go wrong

[stoic needle]

That's me and my classic guild right now

[spice spire]

During storming

[icy crater]

@stoic needle I made an arithmetic error in the 2nd sim, it was 200 stat short by accident. So the haste/crit was +221 dps ahead.

Also if I swap venth and get 2100 this week and 226 weps its like 6.5% increase ~400 dps

[gusty mirage]

bonus points if 2 of them are outlaw rogues playing killing spree

[spice spire]

Even have the monk healer

Nah it’s me and two UHDKs

[celest trellis]

If you are playing assa st and outlaw aoe, what covenant is overall recommended?

[spice spire]

Sucks to be slow idiots

[stoic needle]

Good lord man

[rustic thunder]

dudes, anyone tried out both necro and venthyr on assa and is able to tell how much worse assa feels like to play with necro? I wanna double spec, mainly outlaw with occasional assa for fun & some mythic progression - nothing too serious. But I'm mainly worried that assassination will feel extremely clunky and bad to play as necro compared to venthyr

[icy crater]

6.5% is including the stat redistribution sorry

[stoic needle]

But still that's a lot of dps

[icy crater]

yeah it is

just because of off stats and covs

imagine

[spice spire]

It doesn’t feel clunky at all.
Maybe slightly? But it’s not a big difference

[stoic needle]

I don't think it will be clunky, in most situations sbs is just as good of a builder if not better than mutilate

You get lots of cheap cp

[rustic thunder]

doesn't it cost energy?

[gusty mirage]

SBS has always felt clunky to me, which is why I went venthyr over necro when I hit 60 originally (they were my 2 choices, meta be damned). I toyed around with it on PTR and didn't like it so I went back home to sinfall. Either choice will be solid regardless, venthyr might not be AS good as necro for outlaw but its still pretty damn good

it's like 15 energy I believe

[spice spire]

Not compared to mut

[stoic needle]

15 energy for minimum 2cp vs 50 for mutilate

[rustic thunder]

ohhh i forgot it gives 2 cp on hit

right

hmm could be good with heirmir

[stoic needle]

So if you've got a few stacks it's just better than mut

[spice spire]

Even at 15 for 1, that’s still a bargain

[stoic needle]

And does a good amount of damage too

Mut hits for nothing

[rustic thunder]

but mut gives you doomblade bleeds

[spice spire]

And sbs gives you an extra bleed for envenom damage

[rustic thunder]

what?

[stoic needle]

The lower damage from the bleed is compensated by the bigger envenoms dmg bonus

[rustic thunder]

doesn't envenom account only for nature damage?

[stoic needle]

Sbs adds 5% to envenom dmg with doomblade

Doomblade is 5% extra dmg per bleed on the target

Garrotte, rupture, sbs, doomblade dot is 20%

[wary ice]

thats kinda pog ngl

[rustic thunder]

i understand

i didn't think of this, this is very pog indeed

[stoic needle]

It is quite, as the kids say, poggers

[spice spire]

I hate this place

[icy crater]

works with zold?

[tight ginkgo]

After the leggo whitelist can NW weapons still crit? And if so are they impacted by the MA talent? 🤔

[thorny jasper]

sim says i should make doomblade with crit haste, is this correct?

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/7b5vwlA.png

41 parses

[gloomy fern]

dont watch ilvl parse

[gentle gyro]

it was about the # of parses

not the parse itself

[stoic needle]

Sbs does yeah

[gloomy fern]

nobody is that poorly geared after 3 months

[gentle gyro]

tell blizzard to give me weapons

[wintry kayak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

iirc no to both. I haven’t attempted NW since the white list. The general consensus on PTR was the NW MA dream was dead though.

[gentle gyro]

so i can replace my 197 pvp dagger

[spice spire]

Mood. 213 and 210 gang

[gloomy fern]

buy a 200 one and u got an upg

[gentle gyro]

i spam mists and have yet to see a dagger drop

[icy crater]

oh no ilvl parses again

[gentle gyro]

it was about the #

[livid temple]

so how long until sin gets nerfed because it does giga boss damage, and only aff lock and shadow priest are allowed to do that

[gentle gyro]

it's meaningless

[icy crater]

😱

[spice spire]

Oh no. This bridges into sc*ling

This is the overreaction discord brother

[icy crater]

you stop rn

[gentle gyro]

@gloomy fern https://i.imgur.com/pegliXm.png

[spice spire]

Sorry that was tos, sc*ling. I’ll correct it

[gentle gyro]

i haven't even seen the dagger yet

[stoic needle]

Imagine not getting weapons in vault 3 weeks in a row

[spice spire]

Fuck you.

[gentle gyro]

try me. I haven't seen a weapon in the vault, ever

[gloomy fern]

well its good, means u can insta upgrade with valor when u get it

[gentle gyro]

and I max it out every week

[stoic needle]

[spice spire]

I got one week one

Of mythic vault*

[stoic needle]

I didn't get any until last month

Then I got 3

[gentle gyro]

i got one in week 1 on my priest

[spice spire]

I’m still using it on my OH

[stoic needle]

I'm gonna be such a pepega with 220 pox and 226 dagger offhand

[gentle gyro]

but then again, i have like 10 HD kills + a bunch of mythic vaults, have yet to see the weapomn

plz let me buy weapons for VP, same as PvP players can buy shit for conquest

ty

[spice spire]

Here’s the play

Get KSM

Apply to every fucking mists

[gentle gyro]

I have KSM

[spice spire]

Get a hot 187 dagger from a. 2

Upgrade it to 220

Ez

That’s only what? 10k valor?

[stoic needle]

Tbh I like valor

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/AUKQNcX.png

[spice spire]

I like valor too

[stoic needle]

It gives you a reason to run low keys with your friends and guildies

[gentle gyro]

say what again?

[spice spire]

I think it’s a nice system

[safe pendant]

10k. Just 100 dungeons?

[spice spire]

You’ll get it from a 2

Ez

[stoic needle]

I had a pug tank change their loot spec to ret and then traded me the Phial they got

I told them I'd dps any key they wanted forever

[spice spire]

Absolute king

[livid temple]

i too am something of a mistrunner myself

[gentle gyro]

👑

[spice spire]

Holy fuck

[livid temple]

also by probability if you are targeting 1 specific item from mists, you will need to run it approximately 22 times

[plush oasis]

Unless you're unlucky.

[livid temple]

ya boi wanna die becuase all i want is that damn chestpiece

[stoic needle]

I just wish that the bis ring gloves trinket and outlaw weapon didn't come from the same dungeon

I'm going to be running pf forever

[gentle gyro]

3 rogue dps in my mists key

[livid temple]

im just happy my biggest upgrades come from the 'easiest' dungeon. and people actually like taking rogues to mists

[icy crater]

my best is top

[spice spire]

Arachnid cipher ring? already got mine king

And that’s why I’m fucking doomed on a weapon and phial

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/o9KMKUI.png

LOL

[stoic needle]

Holy fucking shit

[spice spire]

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

Hm, I need to steal that from him on my DH

[rustic thunder]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

shits so annoying

[icy crater]

that guy has serious ptsd from mages

[gusty mirage]

COMBUST UP PULL BIG PLS

yeah dude I don't have any defensives, fuck off

[stoic needle]

Don't we all

[gentle gyro]

the other two rogues in the group are outlul

time to be a good representative

[wise fiber]

Hey. quick question. whats a good starting point for Haste?

[icy crater]

what does that mean

[slow marsh]

0%

[icy crater]

Like should you have a certain haste % before swapping to assassin?

[gentle gyro]

the answer is no

[icy crater]

come on I was guiding him towards it

[forest nacelle]

wait haste is bad?

[storm forum]

if you're talking about swapping from sub to sin, I made the swap at 20% haste

[wise fiber]

Thank you!

[forest nacelle]

im stuck with 10% 😦

[spice spire]

10 is fine

[gentle gyro]

sorry to be a spoilsport

[icy crater]

[forest nacelle]

i know

[wise fiber]

Bunch of comedians around.

[icy crater]

swap whenever you want man

swap at 0 swap at 30

[spice spire]

That’s all this place is

[icy crater]

if the question is when do I do more dps than my current spec?

go to raid bots

and press sim

[spice spire]

I mean we were all telling jokes when shadowlands dropped because this spec was one

[agile geode]

should i multidot all boss at council?

is it worth?

[storm forum]

when whispyr's away all we do meme and booli

[stoic needle]

Just 1 garotte on the closest one

[spice spire]

Only took 18% buff and buff to regen and legendaries for us to be here

[spice spire]

This is true

[stoic needle]

Mods are asleep talk about scaling and rupture sniping and mastery builds

[eternal geode]

is there a macro or something with blindside? or do i have to bind ambush on bars when im not stealthed?

[wise fiber]

Let me clarify. yes i know how to use raidbots been doing forever. right now im in the process of swapping equipment (getting haste equipment from PvP) to compensate a bit. just wanted a heads up of where you guys have haste at to stop simming like a mad man. thats all.

[stoic needle]

I hear if you say scaling in a mirror 3 times and flip the lights on and off 34 times whispyr appears behind you and bonks you

[icy crater]

you never stop simming if you care about dps

if you don't care, stop simming

[prisma crescent]

@eternal geode Just put ambush on a non-stealth bar. You aren't using ambush in stealth anyway

[stoic needle]

Sim after every gear piece change

[eternal geode]

ok thx

[storm forum]

remember back in legion when haste didn't affect our DoTs and mastery was our best stat and we took master poisoner and we pooled for 3 globals before pressing envenom?

[spice spire]

There really isn’t one. There’s no haste breakpoint that makes it magically bis. All stats are important and agility is king is the general consensus. It’s definitely tedious and sucks but yeah it’s just going to be a never ending sim until you’re comfy

[storm forum]

my 20% haste was just when sin started feeling "good" like I wasn't pooling for too long and it felt smooth.

[stoic needle]

That's really just feelcraft though

[spice spire]

Yeah

[storm forum]

yeah and I'm all about feelcraft

[stoic needle]

The spec functions fine regardless of haste level. Even if you are doing less APM your actions hit harder

[spice spire]

I’ve waivered from 15-23% haste, currently at 17. What matters really is just..

Agility lol

On a very very macro level. Of course secondary matters but WAAAAAY less than people think

[balmy condor]

[icy crater]

I dropped 700 vers on a sim and put half into haste and half into crit and it was 3.5% dps do with that what you will

[nocturne orchid]

!bis

😦

[storm forum]

uhh hi Whispyr, how was class?

(quick everyone run)

[balmy condor]

It was fine, augmented 6th chords are no fun imo

[short hamlet]

Where do I get these frogs

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Interdasting

[stoic needle]

I went from 23% haste to 19% to go from 21% crit to 26%

Worth

[balmy condor]

Oh “idiot” is typing

[prisma crescent]

My 145 Lashing Scars sims +50 dps over 200 Well Placed Steel

[balmy condor]

That’s a name

[pine grove]

Heard from someone that it doesn't do all the extra lashes. Any truth to that?

[storm forum]

that's actually less than I expected

[prisma crescent]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hHVT2JGqNtB46ehteL3npE

[torpid spoke]

Is this with or without wind fury

[prisma crescent]

with

[torpid spoke]

I always uncheck wind fury because imagine bringing an enhance shaman and a rogue. There can only be enough room for 1 kekw

[bright timber]

worth holding vendetta for BL on xymox? 3m mark

[torpid spoke]

But lashings is godlike

Did u do world boss, it drops 200 ilvl

[balmy condor]

I haven’t seen it

[storm forum]

I usually hold 2nd* vendetta for hero, damage to that boss above 60% doesn't really matter.

[prisma crescent]

@torpid spoke World boss hasn't showed up for me this week. Who is it?

[pine grove]

Night Fae one.

[gentle gyro]

forgot to swap legys for m+, went in with doomblade

aint half bad

[prisma crescent]

Omg my dungeon daily overlapped with the world boss quest LOL

I just thought there wasn't one this week

[gloomy fern]

def not unless ur kill timer is over 5.30

you will miss a cast

[hallow summit]

Can some1 link the sim shit for oil or stones?

yieks

[solar flicker]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[hallow summit]

Thanks mr!

[scarlet sequoia]

@balmy condor requesting new infexious assa youtube guide to be pinned

[gloomy fern]

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

[drifting light]

34% crit tho?

[royal lantern]

34%is not even a question

its a livestyle

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/F0RDjEo.png

sin honor got defended

[drifting light]