assassination

[onyx wind]

Damn pugging plaguefall is fun

[fossil wasp]

but for that rotation we must have subt as talent, right? otherwise are how u gonna gar on the middle

[misty holly]

I hate the vault so much. I ran like 15 dungeons last week and still every option was lame 😦

[onyx wind]

What is u guys success rate with pf's?

Mine is 0/3

[strange python]

u farmin that trink from 2nd boss?

[sleek sparrow]

You can gar out of stealth without subt

[azure bronze]

Does anyone know if Serrated Bone Spike triggers venomous wounds when it crits since it's considered a bleed?

[onyx wind]

nah doing +15

[fossil wasp]

x_x

[onyx wind]

so i need less valor

but might be the move to just get it lower ilvl

[azure bronze]

ah nvm

tooltip says garrote/rup

[strange python]

btw

any1 can tell me cause I am not sure

for aoe with crimson tempest = do you use it every 5 cp or single use then rupture all targets?

and again near bleed ends

[sleek sparrow]

The best part about farming PF is getting ooze instead of phial

[final star]

I've got 226 ooze

Had it three times in box now

😫

@strange python when 2s remaining on the debuff

[strange python]

aight then, on many targets I was spamming like Ct + FOK + CT

good that there is such community here so u can ask many things ❤️

[final star]

4+ targets fok

1-3 mut

[spice spire]

Pugging PF on tyrannical

[sleek sparrow]

Yeah it's a tragic week to farm

[rustic gate]

#tc-research message

[dense hamlet]

do u even get renown for 2s does anyone know

[sleek sparrow]

Doing mists now is also sadge since they patched out the extra pull in the maze

[spice spire]

Oof that timer

[vital radish]

whats bis trinket for assass? Dread and ?

[onyx wind]

phial

[spice spire]

Phial

[onyx wind]

If any EU rogues with phial and no pox wants to spam PF

lmk

[final star]

P H I A L

[onyx wind]

can trade pox, need phial :))

[sleek sparrow]

Youd think they'd make the maze more consistent after patching that pull

But no

[terse ice]

is it worth using shiv with already max combopoints or better delay it to not waste any?

[little sky]

i have phial, but 194 XD

[sleek sparrow]

Just ruin % for rng

[serene basin]

No, cuz it can crit

[onyx wind]

use at max

[rustic gate]

Use Shiv 👌🏻

[sleek sparrow]

Delaying shiv is usually never a good idea

[late birch]

Wtf,you need conduit energy to put a conduit into an EMPTY slot

[terse ice]

okay ty 🙂

[sleek sparrow]

It's always been like that

[late birch]

first time noticing it since i swapped cov's, what are the people smoking at HQ honestly

[sleek sparrow]

Meaningful choice

[serene basin]

That's why you should pool energy for.that and be ready, instead of wasting cp

[hushed marlin]

if I'm NF still, which is the best end talent for niya? what potency do I run for sin?

[wild birch]

WPS burrs

[serene basin]

Burrs

[hushed marlin]

ty

[sleek sparrow]

The difference between pooling and not now is still miniscule tbh

[wild birch]

What stats are on venthyr pvp dagger?

[serene basin]

Still, it makes a difference

[celest rover]

Crit vers

[sleek sparrow]

But yes not wasting CP is always gonna be better, but mostly inconsequential

[gloomy fern]

the lack of +15 pf keys

[wild birch]

Damn, same as NF

[celest rover]

Yup 😩

Looks way cooler though lol

[cunning surge]

Tbh, if Seal Fates gets me to 5 CP instead of 4 while Shiv has <5 seconds left, I'm just gonna pool up and eat that cp to get that 3rd Envenom off

[sleek sparrow]

All the weapons are same stats per covenant just different flavors/weapon types

[hushed marlin]

how bad is the sepsis conduit? i run niya for sub pvp and trying to avoid constantly swapping conduits

[cunning surge]

Compared to WPS and Lethal Poison, it's pretty blegh
But I don't know how it stands for PvP

[fair yarrow]

guy when you dps you check the uptime on envenom?

[upbeat gyro]

Does Burrs make a big difference? I kinda rather have 2 potency conduits

[cunning surge]

Yeah

Burrs >>>>>>> Lethal Poison

[upbeat gyro]

Huh, awright, gonna try it out. Thx

[sleek sparrow]

Burrs dmg is big

I miss it already

[cunning surge]

If anything you can check the stats on Bloodmallet and Hero Damage

I was skeptical at first tbh but when I switched I saw a good DPS increase

[serene basin]

Yeah, it increases the application of venoms

So it's good to keep it up during shiv windows

[upbeat gyro]

Okay then, more surv conduits it will be 😄

[fair yarrow]

can someone check this log and help me to figure what is going on ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/61QvnRGCHzdr7Zbx/kTjcahKvJBpMY8Z6#fight=16,6&type=casts&source=1,23

[cunning surge]

Recup and Nimble fingers are

[final star]

@fair yarrow opener completely wrong

on the centtrente

[fair yarrow]

yes obviusly its me ^^

[rigid snow]

Is venthyr the new meta?

[outer furnace]

hi with rogue spec is the best atm for raiding in herioc ?

[fair yarrow]

but that explain the difference on the whole 5 min fight?

[final star]

probably can assume rotational errors based on that

not really gonna go through it all

[cunning surge]

I actually did take a quick look, your Rupture uptime is a little bit low, for Shriekwing I think you want at least >70+% on Rup/Gar

[fair yarrow]

i just want to figure why and how you cast way more envenom

[fervent jewel]

i was thinking about switching to assa for sire progress. what legy should i craft doomblade or zodyack since execute is huge for sire?

[upbeat gyro]

For Sire zold i would say

[eternal wave]

Zoldyck for Sire imo

P3 is actually disgusting

[final star]

That's rupture

[hollow escarp]

if you get 2 vendettas in p3

[final star]

He has it up waaaay more than you

[hollow escarp]

just did a full hc clear with night fae + zoldyck

night fae isn't dead boys

[eternal wave]

Nothing is dead

[cursive meteor]

How do i sim Zoldyck on legs and no wrist in gear compare

[eternal wave]

AFAIK Rogues are still close to the top of the list in terms of "Covenants are close enough to play whatever"

[upbeat umbra]

@fair yarrow if you aren't keeping rupture/garrote up correctly you are losing energy and will have less envenoms.

[hollow escarp]

create templates

[plain thistle]

search for the base item, and add the power

[cunning surge]

You guys have the same casts up of Rupture, but your Uptime is a lot lower in comparison
You might be refreshing it too early

[tulip tide]

so where can i read up on optimal openers for assassination, specifically MA flag sin rogue?

[cursive meteor]

thanks guys

[hollow escarp]

OHH

that's actually easier

[cursive meteor]

yeah thank you

[hollow escarp]

I just created legendary templates and selecting the ones I want

[plain thistle]

yeah, he asked about gear compare ^^

not sure which is better in this case, probably top gear since you can do it faster

[hollow escarp]

I like Top Gear for multiple reasons

[cursive meteor]

MA or Subt as talent?

[fair yarrow]

wow very interesting ! how do he get twice dps on rupture?

[final star]

He's using nightstalker

He vanish > ruptures

[willow saddle]

anyone got a weakaura that only tracks poison/bleeds

[final star]

so his do inherently more

You;re also using 2x sinful revelation

you want 1x sinful, 1x celestial guidance

[upbeat umbra]

@fair yarrow it also helps to get a WA to track your pandemic refreshes for your bleeds so you don't refresh too soon and lose dps that way.

[pliant rose]

Hey Guys, is there a DPS(Raid) spreadsheet for covenants after this week's live updates?

[fair yarrow]

yes i know it's because i was raiding with outlaw weapon. but regardless all good rogue have the same ratio envenom > melee.

[silent breach]

Deeper > vigor on st?

[upbeat gyro]

just making a slidebar, that starts to glow at some time

[serene basin]

!opener

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow escarp]

sim yourself

Vigor is still better for me

[celest rover]

Vigor feels nicer as well imo

[cunning surge]

@fair yarrow So I see that this way last week, but he got more Envenoms off as a heads up because of a new passive that we got this week; Cut to the Chase

[hollow escarp]

I would prefer Deeper

[sleek sparrow]

[cunning surge]

So 9 of those Slice And Dice casts can be directly converted to Envenom casts

[hollow escarp]

@subtle kiln 8.3 ptsd?

[blazing arrow]

Vigor outsims deeper for me by about 50 dps atm

[subtle kiln]

not even. let me take a relatively slow spec and play it at rp walk speed.

[fair yarrow]

ok, but i still think there is something off about my gameplay compare to what i should deliver

[cunning surge]

I mean there's probably more, but that's just something that stuck out to me

[fair yarrow]

even before patch all good parse have envenom way higher than melee

[cunning surge]

I'm a little tired so I apologize as a heads up

[fair yarrow]

and if you look at his crit chance on envenom its also superior to his stats

[hollow escarp]

well, deeper only becomes viable when the spec is fluid

[sleek sparrow]

Idk if wowloganalyzer is updated but you can always plug your log into that and check for glaring issues

[deft cape]

Sorry if this has been asked already guys but i'm assuming shiv is just used off CD? I've checked several logs and it's not appearing as an ability in any of the cast sequences i've looked at which i guess is a bug

[tulip tide]

so what, do we hold flag for vanish+vendetta, or use on cd?

[cunning surge]

Yeah his crit rate was a lot higher, hmmm

[blazing arrow]

@deft cape yes

[vast hound]

!talents

[sleek sparrow]

Hold for vend unless youd lose a cast

[celest rover]

@fair yarrow what lego are you using?

[hushed marlin]

what stats on legos for sin?

[subtle kiln]

i guess that depends on what is considered viable. sim wise, theyre pretty dead nuts even. doesn't mean DS isn't awful

[tulip tide]

alright thx
and what about the opener? the one from https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-rotation-guide ?
(for MA)

[fair yarrow]

in the !stats command here on disc you say haste> vers> crit but if you check top sin its always crit>>vers

[hollow escarp]

ofc

[blazing arrow]

@deft cape there are conditions though.

Get bleeds up before shiv.

Pool energy and CP

[subtle kiln]

bring back haste corruption, gimme exsang ds all day

[winter gale]

Can anyone tell me, should I update WA's for this new patch or there is no need?

I am using Luxthos's WA package

[hollow escarp]

probably

if you play venthyr

[subtle kiln]

check with Luxthos

[hollow escarp]

it's a different spell

[fair yarrow]

it was zoldyc last week

[celest rover]

Doomblade would give envenom alot more overall damage but not more casts so idk

[cunning surge]

Yeah like, unless something is using those CPs on something other than Envenom or something I'm not sure

[fair yarrow]

when you dps on a dummy what is your top habilities repartition?

without any buff

is your melee before envevom?

[cunning surge]

With Zoldyck yeah, I think with Doomblade Envenom might pull ahead but, that's a different point

It was Melee, Envenom, and Rupture

[boreal flame]

How big of your dmg% is flagellation?

[fair yarrow]

i was doing it few hours ago with doombalde

and it still the same repartition : envenom is juste below melee

[sterile jackal]

flag will be ~2,5%

[celest rover]

And you're pooling/reapplying bleeds before shiv?

[potent barn]

for me envenom is below melee too by a very small margin

[fair yarrow]

yes the smae livelyfox

but when you look top sin rogue envenom is always top by far

[potent barn]

on training dummy

[fair yarrow]

one time i got envenom before melee it was on a 6 min dummy test

[stoic needle]

Top logs have good crit rate

Does it really matter?

[cunning surge]

I'm going to dip because exhaustion but, hopefully you figure out how you can get more Envenoms off

[fair yarrow]

yes : and in my log you can see thah this rogue as double crit chance on his envenom??

how his that possible

[celest rover]

Rng? Lol maybe check other logs to compare

[stoic needle]

It's just rng

[wise gull]

I was so annoyed at my chains partner in a random pug today for tying his shoes instead of running with sludge as he charged pillar

i preemptively mashed my cd macro

enter skulkers

[final star]

it's possible cos he crit twice as much

[grim tree]

Assa or sub for raid and another m+??

[wise gull]

rip chains partner

[fair yarrow]

btw they all favor crit hover vers

[sturdy mesa]

How come doomblade sim high in dungeonslice without soulbind

[tropic tendon]

so guys people rerolling to sin or still not xD

?

[upbeat umbra]

Should I be trying to pandemic Env now or just mash that subscribe button?

[prisma yoke]

I had a wild 3.6% in a fight in a nathria pug. Either on hungering or on darkvein

[vestal wren]

people will do that

assassination is if you switch covenant/legendary items up to 8% stronger in output

what is great for most raid bosses

[tropic tendon]

even stronger than outlaw right now?

[sleek sparrow]

For ST

[tropic tendon]

oh shit xD

[tender folio]

Even Monks are rerolling rogues 😄

[tropic tendon]

I guess this is our time to laugh at monk mains xD

[celest rover]

Can confirm...

[vestal wren]

well outlaw is good in aoe/cleave

so it has a niche

[livid turtle]

depends on the boss i think

[sleek sparrow]

All the rogues gone monk are returning to rogues*

[fair yarrow]

ST is way stronger than outlaw now

[livid turtle]

still outlaw for SLG i'd imagine

[vestal wren]

possible

[celest rover]

And sun king

[rocky abyss]

that is me xD

[vestal wren]

unpopular opinion

i like sub on sun

[tropic tendon]

what about mythic plus

[livid turtle]

subs good for sunking

[vestal wren]

outlaw plus

[sleek sparrow]

Play whatever you're good at for m+

[vestal wren]

assassination is good for raid, outlaw for m+

[livid turtle]

we still on Zol leggo for denny? or can i throw everything at doomblade? xD

[vestal wren]

kinda

[tropic tendon]

wondering if should I go necro or ventyhr

[sterile jackal]

if you are adult enough to neglect dps charts then sub is cool

[celest rover]

Sin works for m+ if you're super pro with dotting up everything but it's so much more work than mashing blade flurry and smashing your face on the keyboard

[tropic tendon]

didnt play assisan since shadowlands launch

[upbeat gyro]

might as well have both

[vestal wren]

you just need to find the right metrics to look at

[livid turtle]

say i have enough dust for 1 tho... lol

[lament mica]

zold for prog doom for parse prob

[sleek sparrow]

If you need more shield damage for M sks sub is good

[upbeat gyro]

then depends on the rank i guess you wanna create

But Zold is just overall good. maybe wanna stick with it, and then save up for doom

[tropic tendon]

do we still hjave energy problems with asissan?

[vestal wren]

zold is for denny

not sure about the other fights

[livid turtle]

the execute on mythic is to good to pass right?

[celest rover]

Even 190 doomblade was simming stupid high dps

[lament mica]

i specifically meant sire ya

[tired falcon]

Pure st is doom, and cleave is zold?

[vestal wren]

well p3 is all that matters on denathrius mythic

[sleek sparrow]

Zold probly still solid on huntsman

[vestal wren]

and zold has a very high uptime during p3 so its the best legendary

(ofc people can have issues in p1/p2 too when progressing the boss)

[crimson terrace]

What cov is fuu

[vestal wren]

i am night fae

but i play subtlety

[spice shore]

Do we hold flagelation for vendetta does anyone know the math on that one?

[tropic ocean]

leggy wont help you reset stacks or kick add

[crimson terrace]

NF is good across the board

[burnt star]

Yes. Unless u lose a cast. So u need to use math yourself. Depens on kill time

[stoic needle]

It's better to use vendetta on cd unless you know exactly how long your guild will take to kill the boss

[upbeat gyro]

Chose NF cuz the ability was really comfortable to use.

[vestal wren]

p1/p2 shouldn't be a problem. But during progress you might want to switch to outlaw if you have issues or use a diffrent legendary to push

[upbeat gyro]

Never really looked at the numbers and then realized I even won the lottery of choosing 😄

[vestal wren]

i only mentioned it because things can depend on the setting

and are not always as clear as for people who have denathrius on farm

[torn atlas]

Is there a way through details or logs to break a fight into phases for dps? I definitely noticed a bump in dps but want to know exactly how different the damage actually is for zolds.

[tropic ocean]

yea

in wcl u can sort every boss phase

at top

[hollow escarp]

or select phase from the graph

if it's not a defined phase

[burnt star]

Even in detail. It shows phases if u mouseover

Like so

[torn atlas]

Ahh maybe why I can't see it. Looking on mobile but the chart seems to only show on pc.

[boreal flame]

Assassination Fae feels pretty good imo. I wonder if it's worth going Venthyr with all the Renown grinding + buildings, etc.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xvRTMnwtkzJjGfad#fight=2&type=damage-done

[tulip tide]

so which opener do i follow? are the pinned guides all up to date with flag+MA?

[torn atlas]

Yeah sweet. That looks exactly what I want.

Thanks.

[upbeat gyro]

renown grinding would be probably okay, but the grind for all the building, eh...f that

[wild birch]

I gave up on buldings long ago, there's 0 reasons to upgrade them

[upbeat gyro]

I kinda wanted to get 3. rank of the anima conductor, but then kinda realized, that it is useless by now

[stoic needle]

It's all cosmetic except for the oribos portal

[final star]

buildings don't matter

[wild birch]

Engineer ftw

[winter gale]

Anyone with new FLAG wa?

[final star]

it's free money with venture plan though

[upbeat gyro]

So at least the Cov minigame all the way - the amount of meat and herbs you get

[burnt star]

Venthyr cosmetic is good thouhh hahaha

[torn atlas]

Next you'll try tell me transmog doesn't matter.

[lament mica]

how can u say its all cosmetic when ive made hundreds!!! from the garden

[celest rover]

Is that a separate plug in on details? Or am I just pepega and never noticed it

[woeful plover]

Does anyone have The Numbers comparing venthyr to night fae?

[strange python]

assa good, yes?

[burnt star]

Thats from.downloading the basic detail

Didnt install any extra

[celest rover]

Hmm ty

[young hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vhVmXSXpGuGq2E6BhACfsR not bad

[final star]

Yes I do

[rustic thunder]

Realistically, what is the bigger upgrade to assa in this patch - flagellation or doomblade buff with cut to the chase?

[stoic needle]

You'd get even more with wasteland propriety

Or nadjia

[hollow jungle]

Wish siming with windfury was realistic, makes the numbers less depressing 😦

[stoic needle]

Probably over 7k

[young hawk]

Think so?

[stoic needle]

100%

[young hawk]

Thought teodar was bis?

[stoic needle]

No nadjia is bis

[young hawk]

lemme check

[final star]

I'm simming nadjia for you now

[young hawk]

or sim*

[stoic needle]

Theotar is bis for aoe

[final star]

here u go

wait a minute

fuck

[stoic needle]

Lol

[final star]

had dungeon slice on

[young hawk]

Only sad thing is

[final star]

[young hawk]

I've never played sin b4

[sleek sparrow]

Good news

[stoic needle]

It's easy

[sleek sparrow]

It's very simple

[young hawk]

Glad to hear that

Denath progression soon

[upbeat gyro]

You can just lay back and enjoy the class.

[strange python]

Only thing is I wish sin had more range. Going from outlaw to sin and losing the attack range feels so bad 😦

[covert stratus]

I can only craft a 190 doomblade this week, is it even worth going assa with it?

[strange python]

Yup

[onyx wind]

yes

[strange python]

190 doomblade sims higher than 235 zoldyck for me

[covert stratus]

for context I'm playing outlaw

[final star]

but zoldyck is more dps during execuite

[young hawk]

@final star were u simming?

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2P93B5dTy3scsWHqFdC6ij

[grim hawk]

guys i wanna do raids and pvp with assa what do you think the better covenant is venthyr or necro?

[final star]

120 dps increase

[jade geyser]

I’m like everyone else where my legendaries and weapons for outlaw are so much better that switching hurts. I have a 226/220 wep with 235 leggo for outlaw. I’d be using a 216/213 wep and 190 leggo for assassination. Not sure what’s best. We are just clearing heroic

[young hawk]

Isnt 2x potency better?

[final star]

no

[young hawk]

okay

[onyx wind]

play whatever u like more

[sleek sparrow]

Wait

[jade geyser]

I hate roll the bones and just wanna do dmg

[sleek sparrow]

Did you not have a good dagger as outlaw

Wot

[jade geyser]

No 216 is best dagger I’ve gotten but have 226/220 axe/fist

[final star]

@young hawk https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b9LqgXge983JdE6hm2Afwq

here is one for 2x potency included

[young hawk]

idk it matters but

i got 2k conquest

[sleek sparrow]

Dagger at lower ilvl still simmed better for me as outlaw than 2nd mace/sword

[young hawk]

should i buy haste vers pieces

and upgrade to 226?

[pastel seal]

Is there a specific reason you're going Theotar rather than Nadija?

[final star]

75 dps loss

for 2x potency

🙂

[young hawk]

I was simming wrong one

[onyx wind]

233 weps :(

[stoic needle]

Sin potencies suck

[final star]

also go DS and not Vigor

[covert stratus]

second 226 dagger from vault guess I'm going assa xd

[gentle gyro]

[stoic needle]

Sim it with droptimizer, some crit vers might be good too

[gentle gyro]

I'm running around with ilvl 197 weapons because I GET NO FUCKING WEAPON DROPS WHY BLIZZARD WHY

[final star]

I think main thing for you to squeeze 7k sims is get more haste @young hawk

[sterile jackal]

i didnt get any weapon in two months... still running 216/200 :<

[stoic needle]

Just pvp

[young hawk]

I was thini

king more haste as well

sitting on 14% or smth

[stoic needle]

Oh yeah you need more

[pastel seal]

?? you could literally get 200 conq weapon "free"

[jade geyser]

For a first time assassination leggo crafter, is doom blade the choice now over zol?

[young hawk]

20%?

[stoic needle]

Just more in general

I have 23% and sims tell me it's still good

[tender fjord]

What u gonna play assas in? Just m+? Pvp? Raid?

[final star]

we don't have breakpoints

[tender fjord]

Where you at in raid?

[final star]

like hunter for example

[onyx wind]

crit is top for me

[jade geyser]

Raid only. We farm heroics

I’d still do M+ as outlaw

[tender fjord]

I’d say Doomblade in that case. Maybe Zoldyck if you are progging denathrius

[stoic needle]

Crit is top for me now too but it's hard to find good crit pieces

[onyx wind]

Yea sadly

[jade geyser]

Nah we are just clearing heroic weekly while trying to recruit up to 20

[onyx wind]

Some banger rings from dungeons tho

[lament dove]

btw do you guys actually try out outlaw vs. assa in m+ and doing more dps with outlaw? because I just can't:) (but and my assa dps is completely fine compared to others)

[tender fjord]

Yoo @young hawk you made the switch from sub now 😝

[final star]

you're just not as good as outlaw as you are as assassination

[onyx wind]

A good outlaw does more dmg than a good assa rogue

but a bad outlaw does less dmg than a good assa rogue

[final star]

outlaw is way more damage in m+

[lament dove]

sometimes I'm wondering about my abyssmal dps when I press blade flurry, it boggles my mind...

[grim hawk]

do we craft legendary with haste/versa?

[alpine garden]

and there are more outlaw rogues, so more of them are bad

[jade geyser]

I wanna try assassination in raids because I just hate having 2-3 bad rolls in a row with RTB. I wouldn’t mind less rng

[rustic thunder]

Did any of u change to necro?

Or everyone flocked to venthyr

[mystic surge]

venthyr is too good for sin

haste haste haste

[vast hound]

best talents for m+ and raiding?

[mystic surge]

and venthyr makes sin fun to play

[jade geyser]

Still NF for now. I don’t wanna get renown again. Would I “have” to switch to venthyr if I wanted to switch to sin?

[onyx wind]

I have like 80% haste with flag up

its crazy

[rustic thunder]

Anyone else multispeccing with outlaw and not sure where to swap to?

[mystic surge]

it makes sin feel like bfa

if u go venthyr

[rustic thunder]

Is venthyr absolutely neccessary as assa?

[onyx wind]

No but its very very good

[mystic surge]

No but its good and feels good

and venthyr

is good for outlaw too

[sleek sparrow]

Any covenant is viable venth is just slightly stronger :^)

[mystic surge]

its really good for outlaw

so if u wanna play both outlaw and sin venthyhr is good

[bold jetty]

Theotar for outlul?

[mystic surge]

dont think so

[stoic needle]

If you want to play both outlaw and sin necro is also good

[mystic surge]

u want the haste buff

from nadija

[final star]

theotar is only 5dps less than nadjia for me with 2x potency

on dungeonslice

[stoic needle]

If you're multi spec theotar for outlaw yes

[final star]

Can nadjia for assassination and theotar for outlaw

[onyx wind]

But its tyrannical week tho

[final star]

and yet I will still play theotar cos I'm not pushing

[stoic needle]

It will be +100 dps ahead with wasteland propriety

[rustic thunder]

But u lose a potency conduit

[stoic needle]

That doesn't matter

Sin potencies suck

Wasteland > double potency

[rustic thunder]

I mean for outlaw. I multispec

[cloud reef]

try using sub potencies

[stoic needle]

Oh I see

Yeah cto is nuts

[final star]

on outlaw?

[wanton mortar]

is assa the most single target spec of all 3 right now? even if im not ventyr?

[stoic needle]

Sorry I thought you were talking about sin

I haven't simmed it for outlaw

[final star]

[stoic needle]

Imagine having good spec conduits

[final star]

wouldn't be rogue

[fair yarrow]

of course

[iron orchid]

trying to farm mists daggers and I get refused in 15s

Now i remember why i don't do pugs

[fair yarrow]

so i'm progressing now envenom dps is always on top it was a rotation issue

[stoic needle]

Do they even know who the fuck you are

[fair yarrow]

thanks to the community for providing help !

[stoic needle]

Smh my head

[iron orchid]

lel no, I'm no one

[stoic needle]

That io though

[iron orchid]

just some random guy with 500 more rio points than the group leader ? x)

[celest rover]

But you aren't mage or boomkin so hecc off

[sonic iris]

das rude

[celest rover]

That's really all they take since forever

[lament dove]

well we're still rogues, not hunters, mages or boomkins... also no BL

[final star]

rogue is meta in m+ rn

[lament dove]

not in pugs

[final star]

not really had any trouble

[desert ether]

What are mist daggers ??

[celest rover]

Meta for high high keys yeah, people farming 14s and 15s don't know about that

[silk elbow]

Daggers from Mists of Tirnaci or however you spell it

[desert ether]

Hmmmm. Will check that out. Thanks for the reply.

[young hawk]

Would u guys say 22% haste is good enough for sin?

[formal cliff]

NEED ATLEAST 35

[thin gate]

guys what to go for as assa now ? necrolord benefits from mastery bleeding effect but still not worth it or?

[limber lion]

There's no good or bad haste stat.

[slender urchin]

I have like 14% lmao

[limber lion]

There's no such things as breakpoints. But yeah, 22% is fine.

[teal geyser]

you guys go necro or ventyr ?

[limber lion]

It's really good on multiple bosses and in M+. But on ST, Venthyr is the king.

[limber lion]

Venthyr personally.

[celest ruin]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[stoic needle]

Yes

[thin gate]

@limber lion do u see a exsang build coming?

[sleek sparrow]

I had so many mists fail at 2nd boss cuz bad tanks lol

Just today alone

[stoic needle]

No, exsang is really bad

[sleek sparrow]

Ragnaros DH tanks are a nightmare

[limber lion]

No, current iteration of Exsang is pretty bad. The only reason it worked fine in BFA was because of Shrouded Suffocation.

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

Exsang would need a serious buff to be worth it.

[final star]

@stoic needle https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/citiKpkdf9P3VEvM21f8qT

theotar actually my highest as outlaw

[limber lion]

blue

[final star]

that's pog

[hollow escarp]

at least I got a few rank 1 night fae

out of 3 parses

[limber lion]

Yes, in M+ it usually is.

[limber lion]

:DD

I'm about to do a boost run in an hour or so. Probably gonna parse some good ol' blues and purples

[hollow escarp]

gonna craft Doomblade for tonight's mythic raid

[mossy flax]

with mark of the master assassin and all your bleeds up... is it worth it to stay in stealth for a little bit after you vanish?

[obtuse quest]

is the assa simc working? im siming 3,4k dps with 224 ilv hahaha

[sleek sparrow]

No to the vanish question

[final star]

ony in wpvp

[hollow escarp]

and rbgs

[stoic needle]

Sounds like you don't have 2 daggers equipped

[limber lion]

This comes up quite often and a lot of people think that it just makes sense, but no. You lose out on all melee hits and instant poison hits when you're stealthed, and that is a huge loss in dps.

[mossy flax]

what about with exsanguinate?

[hollow escarp]

it used to be a nice spell

back on Azeroth

[obtuse quest]

@stoic needle god im stupid

[mossy flax]

thank you guys

[stoic needle]

[limber lion]

I don't think something like that has been simmed, but I could be wrong. But I still doubt that Exsang would pull ahead because of how busted Alacrity is for us.

[gloomy fern]

come to papa

[stoic needle]

Exsang is never worth using

[hollow escarp]

[limber lion]

Dayum. How much valor does it take to upgrade to 220? And how much valor do you get from dungeons anyways?

[sleek sparrow]

Hand it over

[gloomy fern]

fucking 215 dh traded it to me for the boost ❤️

1200

[hollow escarp]

damn, Scrype already talking on stream about replacing the monk with a rogue

[sleek sparrow]

400 per upg

[limber lion]

Ah. And how much do you get from dungeons?

[gloomy fern]

135 per dung

[stoic needle]

135

[celest rover]

I abandoned monk for rogue can confirm..

[sleek sparrow]

135 from any m+ key level

So farm 2s

[sturdy mesa]

Is there a specific ammount of vers/crit you should aim for as assa

[limber lion]

So 9 +2's for a 220

Damn not sure if that's pog or not lol

[sleek sparrow]

@sturdy mesa just top gear sim, values are real flexible

[gloomy fern]

well i got it my first plague run so i gotta do a lot of +2

[sleek sparrow]

Bruh

Lucky ass

[thin gate]

btw guys u get some valor points from ur covenant hall dailies

[carmine raptor]

is rogue assa haste > crit?

[hollow escarp]

in single target yes

[sturdy mesa]

Haste > crit/vers > mastery i believe

[sleek sparrow]

A tragically low amount from callings

[limber lion]

Pretty much

[hollow escarp]

I like crit over haste in M+

[carmine raptor]

and which legendaries is better for raid and M+?

[haughty rain]

how much haste would you aim for?

[hollow escarp]

zoldyck, ma and doomblade

zoldyck and ma are good in m+

doomblade in single target

[trail gorge]

Hmmm will you guys change to venthyr?

I kind of want to..

[gloomy fern]

just do it

[hollow escarp]

not yet, but most rogues had

[trail gorge]

Been night fea since start

Kind of tired of it haha

[warm parcel]

swapping is few hours worth of wqs

so its whatevver

[final star]

@warm parcel

[trail gorge]

I am night fae on 5 chars

[winter gale]

Sooo...23% haste is alot? 😄

[warm parcel]

hihi

[final star]

How r u

[sleek sparrow]

23% is definitely an amount of haste

[heady python]

swapping is easy, swapping back is the only hard part

[trail gorge]

Yeahhhh

[thin gate]

guys since i want to play my assa in raids and some pvp i was aiming for Doomblade upgrade > zoldyck

[warm parcel]

No I just literally swapped back

And as I said

Its a few hours of wqs

[trail gorge]

I mean... i got soooooo many companions and renown lvl 40

[left sparrow]

what build for assassin in M+

[trail gorge]

Feels kind of yikes to go from start again

[formal cliff]

50 huh

[final star]

Swap Tuesday > fill bar > 2nd bar Wednesday u done

[strange python]

dang 50

[thin gate]

so now my question is, doomblade affects envenom damage per bleeding on target. (necrolord got "buffed" and benefits from mastery bleeding, does it also count as a bleeding on doomblade envenom effect?

[strange python]

much impress

[desert ether]

Wait. How the hell do you get 35%

[warm parcel]

Feels good warming the bench on yellow class

[formal cliff]

40 is the max

[formal cliff]

jokes

[trail gorge]

Yess

[sleek sparrow]

Yes doomblade works with SBS

[final star]

Our time is now

[warm parcel]

Hope so

[final star]

[deft rampart]

You don't need renown 50 for the dps gains

[sleek sparrow]

Still benched for sludge

[final star]

Rogue gamers rise up

[left sparrow]

Anybody know talent tree for M=

[formal cliff]

imagine being benched in a game

[left sparrow]

M+

[runic sequoia]

How are assassin rogue now when 9.0.5 launched? Have they jumped up in the dps or how does it look rn? 😅

[strange python]

bro we're HUGE now

[sleek sparrow]

Yes

[thin gate]

thats sarcasm isnt it :p

[strange python]

Does no one read pins or this chat at all?

lol

[sleek sparrow]

Reading is hard

[thin gate]

i mean were like average now

at least not a troll pick

[final star]

We're 1k dps ahead of everyone now

It's a known fact

[strange python]

I was actually in top 3-5 dps on most fights last night

it was amazing

[sleek sparrow]

class

Also, anyone else loving this torghast event

[final star]

Yeah with comparable gear top 5 dps material for sure

[sleek sparrow]

Can actually just walk to last boss and clap it insta with the 75% dmg buff

[north basin]

still on all 10 mythic bosses we are not even once in top 10 xDDDDD

but it was NA reset. maybe today we see euro pros

[limber lion]

https://gyazo.com/c01924127157cea493b0e3e8999c7af2
Assa easy #1 in normal

We out there boys

[mellow pier]

The external buffs skew logs a lot

[final star]

Normal gang

[thin gate]

LFR Gang WYA?

[strange python]

I haven't done normal in so long

[mellow pier]

Parses and shit are more irrelevant than corruption never thought I’d say that lmao

[final star]

I've cleared normal once

[errant hull]

bone spike no longer deals negative damage pog

[final star]

[mellow pier]

Priest/pally simps and PI

[sleek sparrow]

Bruh I ran lfr yesterday and this dude had the audacity to ask if I was there for new patch parses

[vagrant brook]

what fights in mythic are we just better using zoldyck instead of doomblade?

[mellow pier]

U see a guy with 7 buffs get beaten by a dude with 0

@vagrant brook sire if it’s still hard

If u easily do p3 doomblade

If you’re selling it, zoldyck

[silent breach]

what's the situation with consumables, sharpen baldes or oil / agi pot or phantom fire?

[final star]

Sim

[cunning musk]

Dude, those are normal logs

[mellow pier]

Sim them. Oils/PF for me

[desert ether]

@prisma monolith DAMN YOU....😂😂

[limber lion]

No shit, that's literally what I said

[sleek sparrow]

I told you reading is hard man

[limber lion]

You literally replied to my comment which says they're normal logs

[dapper flint]

i guess its not worth holding flag for vendetta if i lose on casts?

[limber lion]

Damn

[cunning musk]

I just noticed that

[sleek sparrow]

Can't even read the captions

[formal cliff]

normals are where its at to

[mellow pier]

@dapper flint what fight?

[limber lion]

The pins boys

[gusty mirage]

Ya know just woke up, and I read the reply and I thought I maybe read the original one wrong

[sleek sparrow]

[final star]

People can't read pins

Let alone read what you typed

[lament dove]

I'm probably the only guy in the world who didn't kill Denathrius yet, lol

[sleek sparrow]

1000% not

[dapper flint]

sludge

[gusty mirage]

On heroic? There’s quite a few man

[mellow pier]

My guild does 2m on pull then cd

[spice spire]

Assassin number one on normal because no one will bring it to any other difficulty still

[sleek sparrow]

You know people are Omega casual and believe entering raids is a sin right

[lament dove]

I didn't kill him at all, not even in LFR:D

[gusty mirage]

Oh go knock him out on reset on lfr for the free anima quest silly

[limber lion]

I did one run on normal because I can't do runs on heroic yet 😢

I'll be grinding for us boys in heroic whenever I'm done with my boost

Let's destroy the boomkin's.

We can do it

Together

[mellow pier]

No one can stop them but blizz

[gusty mirage]

Like all our dps combined into one? I believe

[onyx wind]

Im bursting like 20k dps with pride and lust in m+

without pot

LOL

[limber lion]

Imagine a raid full of Assa rogues

The dream

[gusty mirage]

Bring a few enhance shaman for lust and wind fury EZ

[alpine garden]

That's a big ass raid

[glad hamlet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

Yeah and DH/monk tanks for the buffs

Ez

[spice spire]

We’re going to pump our DPS and we’re going to make the priests pay for it (PI)

Something something presidential memes

[gusty mirage]

I got a PI yesterday 🙂

[graceful remnant]

what stats on leg ?

haste / crit

doomblade

[spice spire]

Haste and crit/vers

[gusty mirage]

I didn’t know what to do with myself, I was so confused

[formal cliff]

mast/int

[limber lion]

a pi? 😄

Just one, I'm guessing on Sire?

[spice spire]

3.14

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the DKs started noticing and flaming my priest buddy

[plain thistle]

i get PI sometimes

[lament dove]

Magnum P.I.

[limber lion]

l0l

[plain thistle]

because the DK is just above me in the raid frames

[onyx wind]

Did like 9k dps on a 2 minute fight with PI

[shadow timber]

How´s the specs performance in M+ now? Do you still play outlaw?

[limber lion]

I can't believe some people actually track who gets PI

[onyx wind]

this is busted

[gusty mirage]

He messaged me and goes “I’m giving you PI for this pull, fuck the DKs”

[daring pecan]

I hope you replied "give it to the DKs, it's much stronger on them"

[pulsar sluice]

its only good on army pull for them tho

[gusty mirage]

Absolutely not

[daring pecan]

part of the problem

[limber lion]

Currently just the initial PI on the opener is stronger (if they use army that is).

[spice spire]

Oxi. You gotta flex with your new buffs

[limber lion]

I think Assa is a strong contender for PI now.

[spice spire]

“I don’t even need it”

[pulsar sluice]

theres a pi spreadsheet somewhere tht im sure will get updated soon

[gusty mirage]

It was a reclear of the first 4 in mythic, they already got their PIs for the original kills

[spice spire]

Meanwhile my guild gives it to our frost mage

[onyx wind]

Yea it feels so good

[limber lion]

I'll actually sim myself in 3min with PI and without

Let's see how it compares

[spice spire]

Granted, dudes an absolute fragger. But still

[limber lion]

I'll be mad if it's like 1k

[mellow pier]

It has to be good for us on opener

Just too much stacking dmg

[pulsar sluice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1tm82h6NqB3jzQgF/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[thin gate]

guys is the Conduit for Bonespike damage worth playing it ? or still WPS/Lethal Poison

[pulsar sluice]

outdpsed both people that got pi'ed

[spice spire]

Still WPS and lethal

[sullen pagoda]

playing rogue tonight gonna feel weird af after prog as dk

[mellow pier]

Honestly getting PI p3 sire is prob worth if you’re using zoldyck

[gusty mirage]

That reminds me I gotta start saving up soul ash if we ever get to Danny boy

[pulsar sluice]

i feel like i shoulda made r4 doomblade and r1 zold

i did the opposite and im paying the price

[mellow pier]

@sullen pagoda welcome back the bench was nice

[onyx wind]

god damn assa is awful in torghast lol

[mellow pier]

???

It’s best of 3

Has always been

[shadow timber]

Yo Guys, how´s mythic+ looking for us? :D

[sullen pagoda]

haha yea if i didnt reroll bench was 100%, our roster was stacked boomkins hunters warlocks u name it we have it

[mellow pier]

Even if I did reroll

We had too many rdps

[gusty mirage]

Better than it was, but outlaw will still be better sadface

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qjGxEuaHCSDgz2Wxo2178M almost 400dps more on 3min pw 😢

[gentle gyro]

what would be the go to soulbind for m+, theotar?

[spice spire]

Talents get really weird on torghast.
Master poisoner and leeching make it sustain very well

[limber lion]

WTB PI

[mellow pier]

3 locks 3 hunters 3 mages 2 boomy

Even if I went dk, almost no shot

[wary ice]

assa is free in torghast

[mellow pier]

It’s the best since start of shlands

[gusty mirage]

Boomies don’t get much from PI tbh

[mystic surge]

assa is op in torghast

take the blind legendary

and u kill everything in 20 sec min

[pulsar sluice]

all their dmg is convoke they dont need pi

[mystic surge]

boss

[mellow pier]

All u need is red ink

[limber lion]

Everything is op this week with the new Unbridled Darkness anima power :---D

[pulsar sluice]

its fire mages, DKs

[mellow pier]

Once u have that it’s over

[wary ice]

you literally dont need anything what

[sleek sparrow]

This

[shadow timber]

@gusty mirage Hmm, too bad, but thanks for the reply :D

[wary ice]

every single anima power is busted good on them

[limber lion]

Literally just ran to the last boss without killing anything else and did 60k dps on it

[mystic surge]

how long do ihave to wait

[limber lion]

KEK

[stoic needle]

Yep

[mystic surge]

to swap back to a covenant

i did the 1st quest

[mellow pier]

Reset

[onyx wind]

I dont have red ink..

[mystic surge]

its not reset

they changed it

[onyx wind]

Im used to speedrunning

[stoic needle]

No other anima powers? Just that one? Rofl

[mellow pier]

Go master poisoner, subt, leeching

For torghast

[limber lion]

Just that and whatever upgrades you got from each of the mini-bosses on each floor

[gusty mirage]

Don’t need powers if you can’t see them

[sleek sparrow]

The powers that drop along side of the darkness are over tuned as hell

[dim tide]

!bis

[gentle gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/f5ebQb3.png
looks good?

[lament dove]

when did they change? it was reset for me last week

[limber lion]

You still get like 5 powers on top of the initial one because of the one at the end of the floors

[sleek sparrow]

Like the aoe pulsing one was doing 40k crits n shit

[gusty mirage]

My friend killed me with it

[limber lion]

Yeah it's dumb. Then there's the one that lashes nearby mobs or something

[sleek sparrow]

Yeah

[limber lion]

That's how Torghast should be

[sleek sparrow]

I saw that does friendly dmg

[safe patrol]

Nice with a 226 Voracious Gorger Spine in vault when you wanna try out assa 😄

[sleek sparrow]

And fucking started dying laughing how troll that shits gonna get with friends

[winter gale]

Its reset, I did 1st quest on saturday and needed to wait up until today for 2nd

[mystic surge]

I thought i read somewhere that they didnt like people swaping covenants 1 hour b4 reset and then swpaping

[formal cliff]

yeah i one shot my whole team with the friendly fireone

[mellow pier]

@mystic surge it’s reset like I said

[mystic surge]

ok gues im not palyign wow for 1 week lmao

[solar nimbus]

yes, thats why it takes you 2 weeks

[stoic needle]

Yeah looks fine until you unlock wasteland

[gusty mirage]

At least they found a way to make torghast entertaining again

[sleek sparrow]

It's insanely overtuned with the darkness so it's gonna always crack open your teamates

[visual stratus]

You Sins enjoying life? OL main here looking to offspec

[onyx wind]

Ok i got red ink

What now

[gusty mirage]

Do it

[stoic needle]

Kill shit

[mellow pier]

@visual stratus it’s much more enjoyable for raid

[visual stratus]

Assa seems super viable now

Even more than before

[mellow pier]

Having planned cds and actually good dmg profile is nice

[limber lion]

Even more? No, we're finally viable

[safe patrol]

same!

[visual stratus]

I feel like Assa was turning out to be just as viable as OL

Just a lot of bad parces from bad players

[limber lion]

We went from being underplayed and very niche (only used for mythic Sire, if that) and now it's almost a bit OP

[visual stratus]

Might be wrong tho

[mellow pier]

Outlaw is viable just has a terrible dmg profile for the raid

Imo

[limber lion]

Yeah, I kinda agree tbh

[visual stratus]

OL sucks in raid

Okay it doesn't suck

Just feels terrible

[mellow pier]

U need burst dmg in CN

[sleek sparrow]

I just can't prove myself to be brought into sludge, cuz I can't get in to sludge to showoff

[limber lion]

Okay gotta disagree with that one, chief

[thorny lion]

Sin feels so Good Right now

[limber lion]

Literally 2 days ago they did more ST damage AND more AoE damage than Assa/Sub

[visual stratus]

Yea it doesn't suck

[thorny lion]

I Love blindside tbh

[stoic needle]

No, it got 20% of aura buffs. If anything more worse players are playing it now

[limber lion]

Like okay, they can do the most AoE but why they gotta take ST from us

[pulsar sluice]

i mean OL still has it purpose in slg

[visual stratus]

I just felt quite capped compared to so many other specs

[limber lion]

But at least now we're sitting at the top

[onyx wind]

Im used to doing 30k dps as sub

[visual stratus]

Really fun on Huntsman tho

[onyx wind]

Now im doing 8k on assa with 3x the powers

XD

[mellow pier]

The thing with outlaw is u had Chinese players stacking buffs on them regularly

While us na/eu players are just trying to get into raid lol

[pulsar sluice]

They get all 5 buffs on rtb don't they ?

[mellow pier]

No

[visual stratus]

Any early numbers from raid worth looking at?

[stoic needle]

No that's a racist meme

[mellow pier]

But they get a fucking lot of PI and Priest simp buffs

[pulsar sluice]

I know

was jokes

lol

[stoic needle]

Please stop repeating it because people actually believe it

[stoic needle]

Most top chinese outlaw logs don't get pi or priest nf buffs

[formal cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-perplexed-what-gif-10834164

[mellow pier]

When u look at a log and u either see they got 4 PI or they had god rolls on pull

[visual stratus]

OL would be the most op spec if that was the case

[mellow pier]

@stoic needle nah they do lol

[slender trail]

still too early to draw any hard conclusions. as expected though, outlaw looks good on any fights with multiple targets. sin looks good on single target. not enough comparisons between the two to know how close things are on cleave fights.

[stoic needle]

Did I stutter?

[formal cliff]

racist?

[sleek sparrow]

Wasn't there someone who posted logs today of a mage getting 11 Pi's

[limber lion]

Don't need god rolls when you just use CtO

[stoic needle]

Yes

[formal cliff]

lol raching

[stoic needle]

No

[formal cliff]

reaching

[mellow pier]

CTO for them seems better than mine haha

[visual stratus]

I stopped mythic raiding about a month ago. If i would return to it a play might be to respec between Assa and OL depending on the fights.

[limber lion]

I often find myself opening with Outlaw on M SLG and having 5 buffs even though I rolled just 2 buffs with RTB

It's kinda dank

[wary ice]

theres exactly 5 logs in top 10 on every kill in mythic with pis

they dont

[mellow pier]

I never get that rng

5 out of 10????

[pulsar sluice]

they are just better

[wary ice]

No

[mellow pier]

That’s a lot my guy lol

[wary ice]

5 out of 100

[visual stratus]

My best parce ever was from opening with 5 buffs on Huntsman

[pulsar sluice]

they will pick up sin and be even better

[mellow pier]

They never play sin

[visual stratus]

Still below Spriest

[wary ice]

and its 4 my b

[mellow pier]

They just ride the bones

[wary ice]

honestly stop while you're ahead dude

[mellow pier]

????

[stoic needle]

No they dont. You don't understand how rng works. There are more chinese outlaws than in any other region so of course they get more 5 buff logs

It's literally just sample size

[formal cliff]

thats racist

[stoic needle]

Dude shut the fuck up

You actual buffoon

[formal cliff]

he mad

save the word for actualy racist shit

[wary ice]

"save the word"

[warm parcel]

Can yall take that shit to ot

[wary ice]

whitest sentence ive ever read

[mellow pier]

Nothing there is racist wtf lol

[visual stratus]

Okay i'm out have fun with this discussion

[formal cliff]

exactly

[stoic needle]

Stop perpetuating the stupid fucking chinese outlaw meme

It's racist, it's false

Stop it

[mellow pier]

It’s not racist

[formal cliff]

negative

[mellow pier]

But ok

It’s fake yes

[stoic needle]

It is racist

[formal cliff]

explain how

[mellow pier]

I don’t think that word means what u think it means

[stoic needle]

Saying that china gets a different version of the game because gambling is illegal there

Is racist

[formal cliff]

lmfao

[mellow pier]

No it’s not

[formal cliff]

that is NOT racist

[stoic needle]

Yes it is

[sullen pagoda]

they literally do get different game

[mellow pier]

Are u 12?

Serious question

[stoic needle]

No they do not

[formal cliff]

go look at the definition

[short comet]

Lmao they literally do get a different version of the game

[sullen pagoda]

because of chinese laws they get different undead models

is blizzard racist for obeying their law?

[stoic needle]

That's not a different version of the game

[sullen pagoda]

???

what is that then

[stoic needle]

It's a model edit

[formal cliff]

he trollin

[mellow pier]

They used to get guaranteed bonus rolls and higher ilvl loot in wod

It’s literally a diff game

[stoic needle]

No they didnt

[mellow pier]

Yes they did

[stoic needle]

That's a complete lie

No they didn't

[formal cliff]

then prove it

[mellow pier]

Bro u don’t remember them having higher ilvl loot???

It’s literally a different game

The API isn’t released even

[mystic trout]

How's assass spec after 9.0.5 changes?

[wary ice]

good

[mellow pier]

It’s good

[wanton mortar]

legen on shoulder sim way better for me, even considering the 233 generals shoulder, is that right? :S

[stoic needle]

No I don't remember it because it never happened

[cunning anchor]

hello gang, so i'm trying out the assassination spec and have been looking at top parses and openers and wondering why you open with mutilate and not ambush?

[stoic needle]

Please stop spreading misinformation

[wary ice]

shoulds vs hands are the same stat distro so it should be fairly close assuming you have good non-lego items in those slots

[mystic trout]

Cool, gonna try it out then

[gusty mirage]

Extra combo points

[pliant apex]

man fuck doomblade my parses went to shit with doomblade

they were good with zoldyck

[wary ice]

mut hits with 2 weapons, chance for 4cp, more poison applications

[pliant apex]

this is some ill omen crap, doomblade doomed my parses

[wary ice]

i mean in reality you were probably always underperforming and now theres a sample size large enough to show that

[spark grail]

guys which lego should i make first dashing or doom?

[wary ice]

flip a coin

[mellow pier]

@stoic needle they had different loot lockouts and diff ilvl back in mop/wod

[pliant apex]

ah so i was always shit kk

[stoic needle]

No they didn't

[wary ice]

:possibly: :^)

[pliant apex]

thats rude

[cunning anchor]

ty for quick response 🙂

[gusty mirage]

Sim it with top gear, there’s an option to add legendaries

[stoic needle]

It's just coping from westerners who can't stand that chinese players are better than them

[upbeat pike]

hey guys, currently im night fae, is it worth to swap to venthyr?

[mellow pier]

Sure

[formal cliff]

see thats racism

[spark grail]

my gear is shite like i dont think its representative of what will be best

[wary ice]

It depends heavily on content + desire for minmax

[gusty mirage]

That’s up to you, night fae is still strong

[spark grail]

i dont even have max renown

[warm parcel]

Seriously

[wary ice]

NF is fine where it is; ven is higher ST damage, and gives access to a less common dungeon buff (also ven dbuffs are the best bar none)

[warm parcel]

Take that shit to ot already

[wary ice]

so it really is based on personal preference there

[upbeat pike]

oh great, i would not like to farm 40 renown levels again

[mellow pier]

It doesn’t take long

[sleek sparrow]

Less common

[onyx wind]

It takes long if ur doing it by farming 15 PF's :)

[daring pecan]

we don't want this shit in OT

just take it out of this discord

[young idol]

im super late to the party but did they re-work flagellation? no more second activation?

[thorny lion]

Took ne like 2 days from 0-38

Me

[tawny iris]

Which one to i take? 😫 i have 207 crit/haste rings, 220 crit/vers offhand, and 207 unbound and ruby..

[raven burrow]

So, someone already tested assa in dungeons now? I'm going to switch for raiding, not sure about m+ though. I know that outlaw is stronger, but I hope the gap got a bit closer with the patch?

[mellow pier]

Snipping tool

Please

[gusty mirage]

Correct. Also they buffed it significantly over what it used to be

[onyx wind]

assa is not really better in dungeons since patch

[mellow pier]

The trinket is good

Sim it

[young idol]

damn; I kinda enjoyed the activation timing lol