assassination

[twin robin]

XD

[cunning surge]

Deadass

[umbral wing]

Icyveins is bad

[dark crag]

Stack crit

[umbral wing]

xd

[twin robin]

Shouldnt IT be wellplaced?

[silent tinsel]

Use noxxic instead

no kap

[warm parcel]

Crit actually rocketed a little with the patch

[warm parcel]

So maybe Ill get some crit

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock

why is that a thing

[dark crag]

I have 34%

[cunning surge]

I do follow Icy Veins, but I felt like that was off so I just keep Numbing on as default

[warm parcel]

I mean numb doesnt really do shit

[manic harness]

Whis, give me a run down on PB vs CT?

[warm parcel]

So youre not inting if you have no nonlethal

[marble hemlock]

wdym

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

why are we not using things

that are good

[marble hemlock]

wdym

be

specific sir

[cunning surge]

Numb helps in some cases like Frieda's Dreadbolt timer

[balmy condor]

numbing poison works on raid bosses

[marble hemlock]

only the slow

curse of weakness is better

[warm parcel]

Numb is weaker than locks

[marble hemlock]

its 20%

[warm parcel]

Yea

[balmy condor]

well yes

[warm parcel]

So it doesnt really do anything

[marble hemlock]

numbing doesnt do shit

[balmy condor]

but does every raid have a lock?

[cunning surge]

Well yeah but it's not like it's on a GCD or anything or part of a rotation

[naive rock]

they also have to cast the curse

[balmy condor]

my raid doesn't have a lock

[warm parcel]

oof

[marble hemlock]

they do, because their attackspeed slow actually works on bosses, ours doesnt

[warm parcel]

Should get one

[balmy condor]

I mean yes

we should

[jade coral]

are ppl using vigor or DS for CN?

[kind talon]

um

[marble hemlock]

numbing doesnt slow attackspeed of SLG, CoW does

[kind talon]

numbing poison is a soothe

btw

[balmy condor]

but there's actually no downside to having it on

[kind talon]

super useful

[warm parcel]

Numb didnt slow casts either when I looked at our inerva logs

[torn atlas]

Numbing on bosses? Sounds like raid utility to me.

[marble hemlock]

to numbing there isnt, i suppose

[warm parcel]

But Ive no clue about it now

[cunning surge]

I can't think of too many places in CN where we need a soothe other than Gargons sadly

[marble hemlock]

but its like

im not sure

it works on a single boss

[cunning surge]

M+ it's hyper useful tho

[kind talon]

yeah

for CN its just a debuff

its meh

[marble hemlock]

so i removed it entirely, as people used to perma apply cripplign and you actually dont want that

[balmy condor]

but why would the default be to suggest not using one at all

that's what's weird to me

just suggest numbing then

[marble hemlock]

because the default was crippling as the only choice

just get a warlock

[balmy condor]

WDYM JUST GET A WARLOCK

[kind talon]

LOL

just use numbing as default

hello?

[cunning surge]

Fuck the curse, give me a lock for cookies

[lethal magnet]

Whats wrong with crippling

[cunning surge]

[balmy condor]

also numbing on adds

[marble hemlock]

crippling slows mobs

you generally dont wanna do that

[balmy condor]

I don't think your warlock is going to cast CoW on everything

[cunning surge]

Crippling is good for Infusers

[loud silo]

so is sin bis now for raid

[marble hemlock]

adds that can be slowed, you tend to not want to slow

[warm parcel]

Tbf

I just hate seeing "numb parried"

Always scares me

[marble hemlock]

and if you actually want to slow anything, its not the rogue who does it

[warm parcel]

So just leave it off

[marble hemlock]

crippling in raids, more often than not, is something you DONT want to do

[balmy condor]

that's fine

but like

[marble hemlock]

yeyeye

[balmy condor]

why not just use numbing

[marble hemlock]

ill

say that numbing is fine to use

its just like

w/e

cause whether you have it on or not

[cunning surge]

Numbing won't have a negative effect, if anything it'll be positive in any case where it affects things

[marble hemlock]

doesnt make a single difference

[balmy condor]

I mean it does though

unless your warlock is spamming CoW in aoe

on like sun king

or you are like me

[marble hemlock]

only if you raid without a warlock, and even LFR pugs know that you want one to summon

[balmy condor]

and don't have a warlock

[marble hemlock]

again

attackspeed slow

doesnt work

on a single mob in CN

[cobalt flame]

hm thought of staying NF but +478 is a lot https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kEHJUHVbfmJTKp3KyVCvt9

[cunning surge]

It's not like, not having a Non-lethal means we apply our Lethal 2x as much

[marble hemlock]

i agree that having it doesnt hurt

[balmy condor]

does CoW work on a mob?

[marble hemlock]

yes

but numbing doesnt

DONT ASK ME WHY

[balmy condor]

wtf

[woeful prawn]

Are sass ledgies so close in power now that it would depend on fight design/your current gear as to which is best?
I currently don't have a sass ledgie and am statted hard Vers/Haste for OutLUL and trying to figure out what would give me more bang for my buck to craft at a R4 (Guild still working on M Sludge so SLG is a while away).
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jPJKtqSLzZLwCcKagRvPMm

[cunning surge]

wtf Blizz

At least the cast speed reduction works

[marble hemlock]

both SLG bosses

are immune

to numbing

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor didn't we agree that if CoW works, so does numbing?

[marble hemlock]

same as deny

but CoW works

[split veldt]

i swear to god if blizzard nerfs us

[warm parcel]

Do you have a log of it working @cunning surge

[marble hemlock]

like, the boss literally doesnt get the debuff

[warm parcel]

As last time I looked it didnt work

[marble hemlock]

or rather, they get the debuff, but it says "casting speed reduced" and it doesnt actualyl reduce it

[balmy condor]

blizzard

please

[cunning surge]

I should? I've used it against Frieda several times and I think it's worked?? Let me check my logs

[marble hemlock]

im not sure if CoW works on deny, but i see our WLs casting it

i know for a fact CoW works on SLG

[split veldt]

wtf is CoW

[marble hemlock]

curse of weakness

[balmy condor]

curse of weakness

[marble hemlock]

20% reduced attackspeed

[split veldt]

oh derp

[rough agate]

its a farm animal

[balmy condor]

so we know numbing works on sludge

[rough agate]

oh nvm

[balmy condor]

and we know it doesn't work on slg

and we aren't sure about deny

[cunning surge]

🐮

[split veldt]

typical blizzard

[balmy condor]

and apparently it doesn't work on adds

but CoW does?

blizzard

blizzard

[rough agate]

I still throw it on just out of habit

[balmy condor]

just copy paste the effect

from CoW

to numbing

slap on a different name

and a new icon

gg

[marble hemlock]

you sure

[elfin valley]

@balmy condor st, DS is the move as venthyr right? Doesn't change anything else

[split veldt]

flag is so much cooler than sepsis

[marble hemlock]

numbing works on sludge?

[gleaming reef]

didn't think it did

[marble hemlock]

.

[balmy condor]

yes, I am sure

[marble hemlock]

how

did you check

swingtimers

with no WL in raid

[cunning surge]

I'm checking my logs still, just giving that update, I think I see it affecting it but I want to be sure before I post anything

[slender urchin]

Do nightelves not use meld->ambush rotationally?

[marble hemlock]

CoW works on deny

psure

[silent tinsel]

Wouldent you just use muta?

[balmy condor]

we looked at many many logs comparing raids with rogues, rogues without numbing, rogues with numbing, warlocks with CoW, warlocks without CoW, and then I went to @fleet anchor, and I asked him to double check, and we determined that the flags on numbing are pretty much the same as the flags on CoW, and he said that he sees no reason why it wouldn't work

[marble hemlock]

2.4swings without, 2.8~ish with CoW

[elfin valley]

Doesn't work in raid combat vice

[silent tinsel]

since they cost the same nrg, but one can crit twice

[marble hemlock]

i base my statement on the fact that if a mob isnt straightup immune to numbing and you check the tooltip, it only states that the castspeed is slowed

but thats tooltips

so

yeah

if you actually checked logs then

that makes more sense

[languid totem]

Why wouldn’t you have numbing? Just found logs that a rogue forgot to apply it?

[safe canyon]

Is muti meta for m+ yet?

[marble hemlock]

see, thats the problem

im fairly certain

that theyre just straightup immune to the second spell-portion of numbing

which is why it doesnt show in tooltipeither

[slender urchin]

@elfin valley you can't enter "true" stealth, but you absolutely can meld->ambush in raid combat

[marble hemlock]

but somehow left it in for warlocks

[balmy condor]

the attackspeed I know works for sludge

but I agree that the cast speed is fucked to hell

[marble hemlock]

can we just agree that it made sense for lauren to leave a guild that wouldnt have a warlock for attackspeed slow

[balmy condor]

wow

[marble hemlock]

and that you should just get a warlock

[languid totem]

Where did that data come from? That Koj linked?

[balmy condor]

that hurts

[marble hemlock]

im like

90~ish% sure castspeed doesnt work on any boss or add

[wild lantern]

seli that cuts deep

[balmy condor]

that's the spell data ripped from simc

[languid totem]

Ok thanks

[safe shuttle]

is assassin better than sub for M+ rn?

[marble hemlock]

and im too lazy to test

[warm parcel]

No need to test

Numb works on shriek

Then moving on to hunt

[elfin valley]

You don't even use ambush outside of a blindside proc and using meld doesn't give you the MA bonus whether it be lego or talent in raid combat

[marble hemlock]

which part works?

[warm parcel]

as slow

[marble hemlock]

both castspeed and attackspeed?

hmkay

[teal bloom]

What so should I use numbing in raids? Never used non lethal poison because I thought it doesn't have effect on bosses 😦

[marble hemlock]

so its just the debuff on the boss thats fucked

[warm parcel]

Cast speed never worked from what I know

When I looked at inerva casts

[marble hemlock]

cause it doesnt state attackslow

[warm parcel]

They were completely random

Regardless of numb or no

[cunning surge]

So I guess it didn't work??? I thought it was but it must have just been an illusion of battle

Well I'm glad you said something, wEak

[warm parcel]

Also should use nonlethal anyway

[cunning surge]

That's upsetting but good to know now, damnit Blizz

[warm parcel]

Theres a 1/10000000 chance your dp wont apply when youre rupturing an add

So that nonlethal proccing will still give regen

Also friendly rogue poisons replacing yours should still keep giving you regen

Thats an odd ball tho and wonky

[teal bloom]

Didn't know that 😮

[cunning surge]

Well, at least we got Crippling Poison for Infusers, that's at least a plus

[copper lotus]

so how bout that buff lads

we're better than outlaw now right 😎

[marble hemlock]

what are infusers?

[lament mica]

infusers in 2021?

[cunning surge]

Soul Infusers on Sun King

[warm parcel]

as slow def works on hunts

[balmy condor]

I believe it's "what are infusers, alex?"

[lament mica]

they dont spawn

[copper lotus]

what is infusers*

[marble hemlock]

dunno, we never see htem unless hps is dogshit, and then we just call wipe

[lament mica]

on mythic with the strat most ppl do

[marble hemlock]

and even then

[cunning surge]

Oh, I haven't even done Mythic Sun King, oops

[elfin valley]

Rip @balmy condor

[marble hemlock]

other slows are better

dh/monk in particular

[woeful prawn]

Sorry to repeat my question but looking for some advice. Are sass ledgies so close in power now that it would depend on fight design/your current gear as to which is best?
I currently don't have a sass ledgie and am statted hard Vers/Haste for OutLUL and trying to figure out what would give me more bang for my buck to craft at a R4 (Guild still working on M Sludge so SLG is a while away).
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jPJKtqSLzZLwCcKagRvPMm

[marble hemlock]

cause they get 70% slow

[cunning surge]

Do they override each other?

[balmy condor]

would craft doomblade first, and then get a zold ready for sire

[marble hemlock]

the problem with crippling on sunking, is that most of the mobs you do not want to slow

so they stack up after

[balmy condor]

I believe it takes the strongest one as preference

[marble hemlock]

so using crippling is just no bueno on that fight

esp if youre tricksing one side of adds on pull before first assassin jumps

[cunning surge]

That's what I was thinking, thank you!

[marble hemlock]

slwoing those is not nice

[copper lotus]

wait so doomblade is better than zold now?

[dawn belfry]

did 2k more dmg on M huntsman than my highest with sin... 1k more on shriekwing this spec is STRONG

[cunning surge]

Oh yeah, I only do a quick swap to Crippling during Downtime before Infusers, and then swap back to Numbing after

[lament mica]

idk i could be wrong, but i do feel like heroic sunking should be pretty much an after thought for even heroic guilds at this point

like watever

[woeful prawn]

Thank you very much @balmy condor the closeness of Zoldyck made me think it's damage profile would be more beneficial. Just my sims were showing Scoundrel ahead of Doomblade.

[warm parcel]

From quickly looking at our todays logs

AS slow works on the bosses

Cast doesnt surprise surprise

Thatd break mechanics/was

[grave gazelle]

wait is the MA talent just not working

or does it just not show the crit anymore.

[stoic needle]

it never showed the crit

[grave gazelle]

Why does the ring.... but not the talent...

[warm parcel]

Consistency and blizzard never fit into the same sentence

[grave gazelle]

True.

[balmy condor]

yuuuuuuup

[copper lotus]

no

blizzard is consistent

[willow rain]

do we wanna run Niya:Herbs on tyrannical weeks? or is korayn trash damage just worth it always in M+?

[copper lotus]

consistent at being inconsistent

😎

[dawn belfry]

also i simmed vigor vs DS and it had DS at 46 dps higher, is this a sim trap or is this legit? i got 16% haste as venthyr

[stoic needle]

herbs definitely seems like the play on tyrannical week

[willow rain]

thank you!

[balmy condor]

the ring gave true crit, which is why it affected things like spears and trinkets, now that It is whitelisted to not work on those things, it doesn't show in your char window either

[copper lotus]

will these changes make sin > outlaw in st?

[stoic needle]

yes

[balmy condor]

easily

[warm parcel]

There are no simtraps

[grave gazelle]

Oooooo thank

[warm parcel]

This is another magical word I wanna get rid of along scaling

[copper lotus]

how many targets does it take for sin to be worse?

[balmy condor]

on it boss

[warm parcel]

Simcraft literally simulates the ingame

Whether you like DS or feel like you cant play it

Thats up to you

[lament mica]

ehhhhhhh

[balmy condor]

I will bubble wrap this god damn channel

[dawn belfry]

IQD LOLOL

[lament mica]

it sims 5 minutes of hitting the boss no boss in the world do u sit there for 5 minutes afk attacking it

[astral wraith]

Guys What is the opener now ?

[copper lotus]

pins

[balmy condor]

unchanged, please read pins

[warm parcel]

IQD does exactly what it sims if you have the conditions the sim has

[copper lotus]

[astral wraith]

kk ❤️

[warm parcel]

Surprise surprise your raid doesnt

[balmy condor]

weak

have I told you recently

[copper lotus]

so does outlaw start beating sin at 2 or 3 targets?

[balmy condor]

that you're based as fuck

[warm parcel]

I know chief

[dawn belfry]

IQD does exactly what you will never be able to replicate in raid then?

[warm parcel]

I wouldnt say never

There are fights where noone is low mana

[dawn belfry]

thats what i'd call a sim trap

[balmy condor]

there's a fancy dropdown for you to use if you're scared of the trinket

[warm parcel]

You can avoid the execute

You can even look out for the heal

[lament mica]

i mean just use the WA

[warm parcel]

And you doing a ST sim is literally you being alone

[dawn belfry]

i have a 223 phial and 226 wing luckily i never have to use it

[lament mica]

theres some bosses where its really tough to get value, but overall i use IQD most of the time

[warm parcel]

So even from getgo if we wanna be real pissy about it your starting point isnt the same

[dawn belfry]

but yes i hate IQD

[warm parcel]

I dont like device either

I wouldnt suggest using it

[lament mica]

im definitely addicted to IQD during lust

fattest dam

[balmy condor]

I don't suggest it either tbh

[warm parcel]

It can pump

[balmy condor]

but I'm tired of people just screaming SIMBAIT ITS A TRAP

[astral wraith]

is currently finished with the 6 combo points? or 4-5-6 its the same ?

[lament mica]

a decent way of putting it: IQD is the best reclear trinket in the game but debateably trash for prog depending on boss. overall strong in m+

imo at least

[dawn belfry]

i tried vigor for shriek and altsman for sin and really liked it ill go DS on xymox

i didn't think it would sim higher with such low haste but apparently venthyr op

[sonic iris]

what stats to put on doomblade?

[inland heath]

how do you guys burst with flagelation?

[cursive cloak]

Anyone have any logs from raiding today so we can see performance? 🙂

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[glad garden]

So im seeing their is a distinct difference in the single target and multi target talent tree selection. With the new Sin buff is their a specific 1 i should stick with over the other now.

[fleet anchor]

Numbing and CoW both work and they stack

[warm parcel]

Thats cheating

Insane value on sire

[nimble garnet]

how much haste should i be having?

[blazing arrow]

Wait what

[scenic rapids]

9 billion

[agile geode]

Guys maybe a stupid question

[tight ravine]

how's the opener

[thick lodge]

crit haste on doomblade?

[blazing arrow]

Numbing works on sludge for real?

[tight ravine]

now with doomblade and um not MA

[agile geode]

Are trinkets effect buffed by vendetta?

[normal mist]

Don't believe so

[stoic needle]

No

[agile geode]

Like skulker wings or others

Ok ty

[warm parcel]

Yea it does

[agile geode]

Btw sin sim for me 6.810

Outlaw 6.500

Still a god st

[copper lotus]

so

[balmy condor]

thank you for the assist

[copper lotus]

i know pins says craft wrists

but

if i'm not going to be able to clear M SLG

what do

[balmy condor]

Khispyr alive and well

[fleet anchor]

Can post logs later

[warm parcel]

Are they add or multi?

[native silo]

okay wtf is venythr opener the one on icy veins feels scuffed

[lament mica]

i don't believe u. ur gonna kill M SLG befoer u know it

[marble hemlock]

already edited, just needs to go live on the page

[native silo]

it says to push flag then slice but flag doesnt give cp

oh okay

[marble hemlock]

mut/s/mut/g/vend/flag/rup/mut/shiv should work fine

[tight ravine]

mut, not ambush?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[cunning surge]

Yep

[marble hemlock]

mut can generate more CP and proc a free ambush. makes up for the slightly lower dmg

[balmy condor]

welcome to sin channel

sin CF

[lament mica]

ambushing was bad before and now there's doomblade

[balmy condor]

[tight ravine]

love it!

thank you

[marble hemlock]

i was here

before you were born

wdym

[blazing arrow]

[balmy condor]

[queen galleon]

Imagine learning to play assa with sludge timing

kill me

[stoic needle]

It's so easy

[blazing arrow]

Seli are you doing them for each cov?

[marble hemlock]

not atm

once we have some more sims

i will

[polar cape]

I member this channel at the start of sland

[marble hemlock]

but its a pain in the ass to get right

and code

[blazing arrow]

Ye

[cunning surge]

Vendetta on 1st and 3rd pillar, ez

[marble hemlock]

should vendetta on pull

[stoic needle]

Comfy sin chat

[marble hemlock]

and 2nd/4th pilla,r as 4th pillar is in execute with bloodlust

[blazing arrow]

For now I'll just have to feely craft when to use sepsis

[cunning surge]

I take my kappa back

That is smart

[warm parcel]

Yea typically 4th is lust so on pull you get lust ven

[queen galleon]

That's if you play zoldyck right ?

[marble hemlock]

just need to vanish early

[warm parcel]

Also 2 pots if youre progging and going all the way

[marble hemlock]

if you play subter, that is

if you delay vanish with subter until your first garrote runs out, you wont get vanish back on 2nd pillar

so just use it early, or not at all

[tight ravine]

wait wait

mut/s/mut/g/vend/flag/rup/mut/shiv

[cunning surge]

My guild lusts on the 3rd pillar cause we can't trust some fuckers to stay alive up until the 4th pillar

[tight ravine]

what's s again?

is it shiv?

[marble hemlock]

snd

[echo bloom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[tight ravine]

ok

[drifting cloud]

theyre talking about mythic

[cunning surge]

It still stands, I wish that were me

[native silo]

i energy starve after the second mut and can't garrote right away, should i just push vendetta earlier?

[drifting cloud]

nobody is gonna lust 3rd pillar on mythic

[gusty mirage]

first mythic kill as assa recorded, I'm a real boy again guys

[silent tinsel]

Do you fit flag after muta>snd>muta>garrote? opener

[cunning surge]

Honestly yeah that makes sense for Mythic 100%

[marble hemlock]

keep in mind that any optimization to the opener will very likely result in very small gains

[silent tinsel]

I didnt even think to push vendetta earlier

[native silo]

oh i was using deeper instead of vigor maybe thats why

[marble hemlock]

maybe

the max energy is pretty important, yes 😛

[lament mica]

r u trying to tell me 5 seconds of a potentially 10 minute fight isn't gonna cause big changes? u liar...

sick bastid

[covert stratus]

is MA good enough, while I pool soul ash for the 225 / 235? or should I just stick with OW

[lament mica]

for raiding MA seems troll

[queen galleon]

210 Leg might be even better than MA

[silent tinsel]

I think even a 190 would be worth

[covert stratus]

I can only craft 190 this reset 😭

[silent tinsel]

-24 dps for vigor

[marble hemlock]

i never liked MA as assa

(talent MA)

even when it simmed quite a bit higher than subter in bfa

but the random 2CP muts with MA talented

[wild birch]

Do you use same soulbind tree for raid and M+ as venthyr?

[marble hemlock]

completely fuck you over

[plain thistle]

same, but its significant better for me right now 😦

[jade coral]

are people using vigor or DS for raiding? 🤔

[marble hemlock]

MA is just kinda... counterproductive to what assa is supposed to be - consistent sustained dps

and then you play a RNG talent

[lament mica]

that seems like a kinda low chance of happening though

[marble hemlock]

it happens every 3rd pull or so

thats more than enough

to make progression annoying as fuck

[fleet anchor]

@marble hemlock @warm parcel
Sludgefist swing speed with either of them is ~1.8s
And with both is ~2.1s

[marble hemlock]

mh alright

and 1.5 w/o them?

[fleet anchor]

1.5s base

[marble hemlock]

deny base is 2.4?

or 2

[torpid spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x7FuMxu1PMNP27njLhXFHZ

[marble hemlock]

cant tell from our logs

[torpid spoke]

FUCK yeah almost 6.6

[sonic iris]

is the talent build in pins up to date

[analog glade]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

that's uh

that's a lot of damage

[peak helm]

!bis

[viral meadow]

Sim it again until you break 6.6

[marble hemlock]

nice phial

i hate you

[torpid spoke]

@balmy condor what lvl phial ? 226?

[balmy condor]

226

:)

[torpid spoke]

fkkk uuuu

[marble hemlock]

yeah

fucking hate you

[balmy condor]

no you dont

[marble hemlock]

i might

[torpid spoke]

do you think using a 220 is better than 226 infinitely dividing ooze?

[viral meadow]

Here I am with a god damn decanter and no vial

[balmy condor]

my 226 main hand has avoidance on it

[marble hemlock]

love how its just straightup 30% better than the mythic sluidge trinket

[solar flicker]

any phialers?

[sonic iris]

what talent setup for raids?

[balmy condor]

pins

spelled backwards

is snip

[marble hemlock]

anyone with 226 phial deserves to be hated by me

by everyone, really

[blazing arrow]

Seli how do you not have phial with all the m+ you've run

226 I mean

[lament mica]

theres been a long ass time to get it from vault by now

[ionic smelt]

dont worry the 220 next week you have 100%

[sonic iris]

are world bosses the only way to get lashing scars conduit

[marble hemlock]

denathrius

[drifting cloud]

callings

[sonic iris]

oo ye

[void pecan]

Hey. I farmed a 200-210 phial for at least 50 plaguefalls

[cunning surge]

Worth?

[void pecan]

No

I hate that dungeon now

[cunning surge]

[signal gulch]

if youre lazy and dont wanna take mfd is DS or vigor the play for m+

and are venthyr

[dawn belfry]

sim it

but DS was 46 dps higher for me

[stoic needle]

hawt

[signal gulch]

im usin ds right now but having that many combo points and not critting feels bad

on bosses

[cunning surge]

iirc, you're gonna do more with DS if your ilvl is p damn high, but yeah simming it is your best bet

[balmy condor]

raid time osh

time to smash

[stoic needle]

that's just single target though, it may be different for dslice

poggies

i'm boosting

[signal gulch]

stream?

[balmy condor]

stream?

[dawn belfry]

i did dslice and it was even more op to run DS lol

[jade coral]

anyone running DS for raid?

[balmy condor]

(yes btw, discord just found it)

[ionic smelt]

give us some insight whispyr 🙂

[ashen anchor]

I do

[stoic needle]

gotta do the boosties to pay for these expensive ass r4 gloves for doomblade

[wild birch]

The question is, do i get renown 40 on NF and change to Venthyr or change to Venthyr on reset

[stable moss]

Doom blade haste vers for pvp and raid you know

[silent tinsel]

I did crit haste

[green harbor]

is there a glaring reason to choose doomblade over dashing scoundrel?

[wild birch]

pvp

Doomblade is bis for assa in pvp since the start

[green harbor]

fair

[tribal marlin]

it's a little bit more consistant regarding downtime as well but that's marginal

[inland ridge]

Got Phial out of vault

[honest lake]

!addons

[green harbor]

i like the look of dashing because more energy usually means more things to do

[inland ridge]

Dashing is still good for raid. It's not like it's a bad legendary

I believe it's second best for raid atm

[gleaming reef]

can i see logs with numbing poison on and one without for boss?

[serene basin]

we are finishing with 4cp or 5-6 with DS?

[tacit forum]

My sims are showing DS over Vigor but idk it feels a bit weird

Even tho dmg is quite ok

[dawn belfry]

its much more clunky to play forsure

[tacit forum]

I just feel sort on energy

I’m not Venthyr

[dawn belfry]

yea def vigor makes the spec smooth but 6 point envenoms are LIT

[severe narwhal]

which legendary should i craft for sin rogue for m+

[tacit forum]

MA or Zoldyck

[severe narwhal]

so doom blade for for raid

[tacit forum]

I have all of them

I’d o Doomblade and Zoldyck for raid

Depending on St or cleave

And I usually run Zoldyck for m+

Also Sire

[unkempt ginkgo]

should i use CT for Huntsman? or PB

[tacit forum]

Nah

[severe narwhal]

tyty

[tacit forum]

It might increase you dps a bit. But not worth tho

[main monolith]

is it much difference between venthyr and necrolord? in raid

[pulsar sluice]

DS does not feel good at all

but my sim keeps telling me play DS

12% haste

[tropic fable]

Any thoughts on a 226 IQD that would replace a 220 dreadfire? Sim bait?

[visual token]

err, is Envenom really adding time to SnD???

[fringe dust]

yup

[violet wasp]

Nadjia sims better than Theotar in dungeon slice only for me?

[visual token]

That's freaking huge

[fringe dust]

assuming you dont stop you dont have to snd more than once

[visual token]

All those CPs can now be turned into additional Envenoms, that really as a significant DPS boost for us

[strange python]

@balmy condor that details breakdown made me so sad

[fringe dust]

i started the xpac off as Sin and it was fine. I wasnt on the charts at all or anything. But now it feels so smooth without having to snd constantly, and the Venthyr haste feels good to me.

[reef axle]

these rogue changes

feel so smooth....

[balmy condor]

yuuuuuuuuuuup

[ionic smelt]

epic shit man feels good to watch ❤️

[strange python]

Like seriously it’s nice to be strong again but literally any downtime is such a detriment to our dps from what that shows

[inner granite]

getting 16k envenom crits with sbs doomblade .

[reef axle]

8,9k after a dungoen, im happy with it xD

[tacit forum]

Changes does feels good

It’s priceless to beat outlaw now

[strange python]

This opener feels like trashhhhhh with DS

Waiting for garrote forever

@balmy condor what do i do

fix me

[stable moss]

Deeper with doom blade or vigor

[pulsar sluice]

i think imma play vig

DS does not feel good at all

[strange python]

DS feels awful

[copper lotus]

ds or vigor?

oh

thats the current convo

[stable moss]

Next tier with more haste might help it then

[strange python]

Need to start doing maw dailies

[pulsar sluice]

its just simming well cuz flag

[stable moss]

When I was playing vigor I tried out EP and wasn’t energy starved is it better since we don’t have to sndantmore?

[strange python]

Get those gems

[pulsar sluice]

but it doesnt feel good outside of flag

it feels like dog shit

[gleaming reef]

warlock have an auto attack lower curse right?

[stoic needle]

yeah theotar sims higher by about 100 dps for me

[pulsar sluice]

what yall playing in heroic sire

[stoic needle]

yall are crazy, deeper strat feels amazing

god forbid you have to wait a second

i notice how much bigger my envenoms are already

[grim hawk]

what do u guys think necro or venthyr for pvp

[pulsar sluice]

i have 12% haste

[stoic needle]

and with flag and thrill seeker you get periods of faster apm

[pulsar sluice]

so that might be it

[copper lotus]

oops

[stoic needle]

lol

[copper lotus]

3 dps increase

must min max

[stoic needle]

i have 22% haste

[strange python]

Base?

[stoic needle]

i think i might need to regem and enchant to crit so that might drop to 21%

yeah base

[strange python]

Insane

WhAt rings do you run

[stoic needle]

226 blood oath signet haste/crit and 213 pvp ring vers/haste

[tacit forum]

I tried to join Venthyr but I gotta do the BS quest to rejoin it

I don’t want to do it lol

#pulltheripcord

[pulsar sluice]

yeah thats prob why DS feels good for u @stoic needle

i used to have 20% with pvp gear but then i started getting weird 226 gear with no haste

[manic harness]

lashing scars not 100% on sire fuck this game

[hallow gale]

is sin better than sub now?

in pvp

[tacit forum]

I got 26% and still weird

[celest rover]

Haste crit best even with doomvlade lego?

[tacit forum]

It might be I’m not used to it

[main monolith]

can you switch from covenant in raidbots to sim?

[stable moss]

does lethal poisons do more since we have higheer up time on enven??

or does maim, mangle do more wiht doomblade

[balmy condor]

we take lashing with venthyr and wps still otherwise

maim is pretty good, lethal is indeed also good

[silent tinsel]

would you switch 2 second potency slot on council?

[balmy condor]

what soulbind do you have 2 potency slots on

but probably not

[gleaming reef]

can i get tagged when you show logs? Guildies don't believe me lol

[silent tinsel]

the 3% one on nidja

vs a second potency

on council

[stoic needle]

there's an argument for it because WPS will be slightly better for bursting down the attendants

depends on how long they're living in your raid

[wary pawn]

whats wps?

[stoic needle]

if they aren't living that long probably stick with dauntless

well placed steel

[wary pawn]

ty

[silent tinsel]

But its only 1 target I thought for the whole encounter on dauntless?

[verbal knot]

Hi guys,switching to venthyr tomorrow.Where can i get a 200 lashing scars?

[stoic needle]

it applies to a new one after the first one dies

[silent tinsel]

pffff

second conduits for virgins

[reef axle]

Daily caches or spend thousands of stygia

[silent tinsel]

Or sire drops now

[reef axle]

That too

[verbal knot]

Oh alright,thanks

You can buy conduits with stygia? lol

[reef axle]

You can gamble with it, gives you a random conduit of your lowest ilvl or one you don’t have

[obtuse robin]

do we fok on 2 targets?

[balmy condor]

@limber lion EP NS baloney on sludge yay or nay

[balmy condor]

fok on 4

[balmy condor]

with doomblade that is

[tacit forum]

Venthyr 2%dps increase 😳

[true pelican]

with MA buff and DS talented do I finish at 4 cp or mut?

[tacit forum]

I think you must if you want to hit two evenoms

[silent tinsel]

Is it ok to fill the last cp with shiv or garrote before finishing?

[tacit forum]

Not time to mut twice

In my case filling the cup with a non need garrote,fok is a dps loss

Shiv most of the times is ok

You miss one cp if it crits tho

[void pecan]

do we REALLY need to swap to venthyr. I don't wanna grind the renoun..

[tired thistle]

its 2%

So no

[void pecan]

I can barely do torghast every week

[lean fossil]

so it seems for st deeper is pretty good but for cleave fights vigor plays better

or have you guys had better success playing deeper on cleave fights?

[sharp pawn]

ur tellin me going from kyrian to vent is only 2%

[reef axle]

Took me 3 days to get 30 renown

So it’s not too bad farming renown

[analog glade]

I can't swap assa 😦

[tired thistle]

Kyr to venth is proly a touch more than 2 %

[reef axle]

I think it’s round 5% but from night fae it’s about 2%

[sharp pawn]

ah ok well that sounds better to me haha

[livid temple]

Do you want to use flag with vendetta, or is it not worth holding flag?

[reef axle]

Hold it

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/67cB8HS.png

???

wtf is wrong with korean

[junior forge]

oh thats big brain

[thorn dove]

11 power infusions lmao

[tribal marlin]

dude there is another mage that even played focus magic

xD

and ranked grey

[sonic iris]

at how many targets do you switch to FoK from mutilate, with doomblade

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/z6f9RSS.png

like wtf xD

[hallow gale]

is sin far easier than sub?

[cunning surge]

"Yes sir, we will sacrifice ourselves for your parse"

Like what the fuck

[plain thistle]

they probably sell that

I remember legion, antoran fight

7-8 min with only 1-2 people doing AoE

[cunning surge]

Honestly you're probably right
I'm just glad Warcraft Logs now puts like a giant marker on these people

[tribal marlin]

yeah korean live for that

I mean PI has nothing to do with that, they were already doing parses kill

like they were spawning infinite adds on Vexis back in Uldir

etc...

[balmy condor]

4, for both

[dull charm]

anyone know when callings drop ilvl 200 conduits?

[cunning surge]

If you have that many targets and are utilizing FoK more, you're probably better off using Zold in that situation

[tribal marlin]

it's a chance, epic chest have more chance

usually if you do all 3 you have good chance of looting it if it's your only missing conduit

[fickle hamlet]

Yes

[odd nebula]

😮

[dull charm]

@tribal marlin ah alright but do i have do go through 184 before getting to 200? just recently switched to venthyr

[tribal marlin]

nah

you'll get it 200 directly if you have unlock WQ ilvl upgrade in your old cov

[dull charm]

great news!

thanks for the infop

[copper lotus]

is there any point to attempting to switch to ads in p1 sire

i would assume not

[hardy berry]

So doomblade on shoulders unless you have 233 shoulders?

[cunning surge]

I'd say if you don't plan on doing M SLG, it can go either way

[tacit forum]

Stats are the same

Why not craft it on hands already so you save up some soultrash and gold

[hardy berry]

Ah they are? I didn’t realize that

[hushed sphinx]

hello friends what is the opener with MA talented?

[hallow gale]

never tried sin, can someone explain me pros and cons of playing it instead of sub?

[ruby oyster]

Pros - not playing sub

[formal cliff]

How’s sun feel after the buffs?

Sin

[cunning surge]

Wonderful

[icy crater]

idk my damage sucks ass

[echo cargo]

Amazing

[icy crater]

might go back outlaw

[formal cliff]

What’s the leg that y’all are using?

[trim zinc]

pog

[icy crater]

doomblade

[formal cliff]

Zoldyck?

Oh doom

[echo cargo]

we do so much ST i'm scared we're gonna get nerfed now lmao

[scarlet sapphire]

Wait I see pikaboo running master assassin on ass rogues

Is that viable?

[formal cliff]

For pvp prob

[scarlet sapphire]

Yea for pvp

What else do people do in this game

Pve????? Loooooserrrvile

[faint harness]

Feel the room

[formal cliff]

What’s the m+ leg for sin

[tired falcon]

I thought sin was always ma in pvp?

[split veldt]

i dont even have my doomblade yet and i already feel like im pumping

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-preparing-garnishing-pumping-pressing-gif-13008112

[celest rover]

I'm not seeing any additional lashes from flagellation?

Just the initial 5

[sick cairn]

even after using combo points?

[celest rover]

Yes

[dense bramble]

i'm using serrated bone spike alongside with doomblade and i really enjoy the bleeding and poison dot being high damaging. Serrated dot is being almost equal to deadly poison dot. I wonder if i focus on mastery instead of haste to make it scale with other bleeding and poisons (cuz it don't scale with haste), my overall dps would be too lesser then keep stacking haste? Or wouldn't be as much of a difference?

[wise gull]

Think warcraftlogs is gonna lock in tonight? Or at the end of the week

[icy crater]

how much dam on what boss

[celest rover]

Is flag bugged lmao

[split veldt]

just mean in general after messing about today

[plain jewel]

so im seeing only 3 potency conduits from raid. can u not get 226 well placed steel or lethal poison from it

[split veldt]

in a few 14's and some raid finder

now i go back to torgast to get my blade

[echo cargo]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[icy crater]

im progging arti so that might be why it feels not so great

[celest rover]

Yeah flagellation is just straight up not working correctly for me

[mental laurel]

Hot damn assassination feels good night. Pumping way harder than I did with sub. Necrosin so fun

[spice spire]

Has anyone else had the glitch where it says your 8/9 on covenant quest but it’s the first one that’s missing? 🙃

[plain jewel]

are you using the Lashing Scars conduit for flag?

[spice spire]

When you swap back*

[celest rover]

Yes I'm using lashing scars

[plain jewel]

yeah. in the second room an NPC should give u the quest for it. pretty weird

[celest rover]

I'm getting 5 total hits every time I use it, despite using 3-5 finishers during it

[spice spire]

Interdasting thanks!

[balmy condor]

nope

[split veldt]

cttc is amazing, use snd one time a fight lmao

[plain jewel]

lame

[celest rover]

Yeah, where's the additional lashes lol

From using combo points

[dense bramble]

i'm using serrated bone spike alongside with doomblade and i really enjoy the bleeding and poison dot being high damaging. Serrated dot is being almost equal to deadly poison dot. I wonder if i focus on mastery instead of haste to make it scale with other bleeding and poisons (cuz it don't scale with haste), my overall dps would be too lesser then keep stacking haste? Or wouldn't be as much of a difference?

[split veldt]

repost

[plain jewel]

idk. im getting the aditional lashes. must be a weird bug

[celest rover]

Holy shit no one can read lol

I have 0 extra lashes from combo points being spent

[formal cliff]

I just posting what it says

[celest rover]

I'm aware of what it says its supposed to do, or I wouldn't be asking why it isn't doing that

[formal cliff]

Sounds like you have a bug and no one else. Or you have something screwed up

[amber trench]

that's not how flag works anymore

[odd siren]

Cant u read?

[amber trench]

it adds all the dmg into one hit now

[plain jewel]

aight. so they changed it to only hit 1 per finisher. and combo points just up the damage. so if you look at details the hits should be correct

[viral meadow]

When you spend

Not when you build

[celest rover]

Im getting same hits if I just cast it and nothing else, or if I use finishers lol

[viral meadow]

Post metres/log of it

[stoic needle]

yeah post a log

[odd siren]

Use it on dummy and post meter plz

With as much finisher u can do before it expires

[viral meadow]

And does it stack the haste buff as well?

[odd siren]

Lashes should be the same as finishers + 1 for the initial use

[balmy condor]

4 hits for 4 finishers?

seems okay

[amber trench]

that's looks correct

[odd siren]

Hmm thats correct

Lash per finisher (dmg per combopoint spent) not lash per combopoint

[celest rover]

So the initial 1 hit did 5k crit from 5 total lashes

[amber trench]

you should just think of it as extra shadow dmg envenoms that pop up everytime you use a finisher

[peak helm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[peak helm]

!wa

[ember stirrup]

At how many hast the sin gameplay is smooth ? My stuff doesnt have a lot of hast right now 😦

[balmy condor]

that's completely subjective

[icy crater]

man arti is like

lets hope our seed runners get it this pull

oh darn go next

[heavy skiff]

does shiv not show on logs?

[icy crater]

go under damage

its bugged for casts

[heavy skiff]

ye but i want to know when theycast it xD

oh nvm got what u said

[stoic needle]

Made enough boosting today for my lvl 4 doomblade base gloves but I don't get a payout until Sunday

[cunning surge]

Yeah I gotta wait until Friday to go ham planet

I'm anxious man I want to go NOW

[stoic needle]

Its my stonks and I need them now!!

[willow vine]

how much base haste feels nice for sin

[stoic needle]

that's pretty subjective. I thought that sin felt good around 15% haste, some feel like it doesn't feel good until 20%+

[wraith badge]

im trying to get a weakaura for flagellation that tracks the haste % given after the 12seconds, closest wa on wago ive found is https://wago.io/Sh6U0TkKk , can anyone help me rq? have raid in 30 min

[viral meadow]

If i was at home I’d make whatever you need. I’m pretty handy with WA

[cunning surge]

Hmmmmm, you might be able to grab Tooltip information from the buff to pull how much Haste it's given you and have that as a Text in the corner or something

[viral meadow]

HMU in 3/4 hours and Ill make a custom one for you

[wraith badge]

most im good at with Wa is making simple ones from templates

[stoic needle]

well the haste % is the same as the number of stacks

so you can make one from the buff tracking template and make a text on the weakaura that says %s%

[pure skiff]

What covenant is best now?

[cunning surge]

If I was Venth I would be able to make it myself

[wraith badge]

venny for raid and NF for m+ from what ive seen

[viral meadow]

Necro i think is aoe. Unless that’s changed

[pure skiff]

Necro lord seems crazy

[stoic needle]

yeah necro is better for m+

[cunning surge]

But if what Oshosi is saying is true, you can have a Text spot on the WA that is %s %

[pliant sorrel]

didnt some one link a AOE bleed weak aura

someone got that

wanna see it

[stoic needle]

that was me

https://wago.io/WULju2fnt

[pliant sorrel]

tytyty

[loud silo]

so flag caps at 30?

[stoic needle]

yep 30 stacks

[outer siren]

@loud silo you cheating on the outlaw brotherhood

[loud silo]

ive always played all specs brother 😉

[outer siren]

[loud silo]

why you in here

[outer siren]

I am Also cheating on the outlaw brotherhood

[loud silo]

eksdee

[wraith badge]

these 2 bout to learn how to not be a pirate...

[pliant sorrel]

holy shit

playing with subterfuge again makes me miss that shit azerite talent

[loud silo]

bruh its sin rogue

not much to learn

[outer siren]

Hahahaha

[wraith badge]

can't be saying that yar har fiddley dee shits

[limber swallow]

you have to learn that there's this thing called "downtime"

it's really unnerving...

[loud silo]

stop acting like its rocket science

[pliant sorrel]

i mean even outlaw has some downtime with deeper strat so idk why every fricks out

[wraith badge]

im not?

[pliant sorrel]

is playing sin instead of outlul inting with CT and EP

🤔

probably

on SLG prog*

[slim siren]

hey so i have to ask i see some doomblade believers is it actually that good with necrolord?

for m+

[balmy condor]

doomblade in m+ is a no no

unless it's like

[slim siren]

so still zoldyck

[balmy condor]

ToP

in that case

maybe

[spice spire]

On tyrannical

[loud silo]

for m+ i just use the respec to pirate button

[spice spire]

And yeah still maybe

[slim siren]

hate pirate button

[spice spire]

Using 60 energy for ST damage is pretty in packs

[pulsar sluice]

thats mythic hunts with doom

we going to the moon boys

[slim siren]

what ilvl are you?

[stoic needle]

[pulsar sluice]

222

[twilit tapir]

[stoic needle]

absolutely gaming

[willow vine]

@pulsar sluice was that with 12% haste?

[viral meadow]

How do I change someone else’s font

[strange python]

@brittle pawn dang you whooped me on shriek

[stoic needle]

og venthyr

[strange python]

i dont have doomblade crafted yet D:

im a failure

[wraith badge]

Thanks for the Wa help and Thanks to Oshosi aswell

[mental laurel]

I just pulled 7.05k DPS on mythic huntsman too with Doomblade. People were wondering where the hell my DPS came from since I'm used to doing shit damage as sub

[cunning surge]

Did it work out?

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

Yeah Huntsman is legit

[wraith badge]

yea i managed to get what im wanting, its just dirty

[strange python]

Got 7.3k on that

[pulsar sluice]

yes

[cunning surge]

As long as it works for your raid tonight!!

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[slim siren]

with doomblade what is your stat prio

[stoic needle]

the same as without it

[balmy condor]

stat prio doesn't change

and that's in the pins

:)

[slim siren]

ty

[pulsar sluice]

i used 3 2 1

[young warren]

Did you guys roll Venthyr? I am not sure to switch :/

[strange python]

BOI I BEEN ROLLIN

[mental laurel]

Probably the same. But mastery becomes nicer if you're necro too

[wraith badge]

better to make shoulder or hands for doom

[strange python]

Man even a 190 doomblade is an upgrade over r4 zoldyck lol

[cunning surge]

Hands if you're planning on doing M SLG

[spice spire]

It’s the right choice. Venthyr bois for life

[kindred imp]

Any of ya already max renown? How long it took ya since swap?

[cunning surge]

Otherwise either/or

[kindred imp]

Or at least to unlock last tier of conduits

[formal cliff]

Did you go venny?

[pulsar sluice]

yea

190 doom haha

[formal cliff]

How was shriek?

[pulsar sluice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1tm82h6NqB3jzQgF/#fight=24&type=damage-done

[cunning surge]

Pog

[formal cliff]

I’d be coming from feral. How’s sins play compared? I’m assuming similar

[void pecan]

bleeds, but not as micro

[noble gyro]

would doom be better in pvp than MA now?

[stoic needle]

bout to do a quick H sire kill

let's see how it goes

[stoic needle]

not really. MA still fits better into this meta

[next solar]

@tribal marlin where is that juicy 7k+ sim

[vital arrow]

For sin which would be better between necro and venth?

[balmy condor]

venth

[formal cliff]

Whatcha mean?

[slim siren]

how long does it take to switch back to a cov?

after you already swapped away

[olive burrow]

You wait for day before reset

do a fill the bar quest

reset day

[slim siren]

aight

[olive burrow]

2nd fill the bar quest

done

[plain jewel]

2 part quest. 1 availabble now. part 2 unlocks after reset

[slim siren]

can you get a conduit for the cov your not in or if your in the inbetween?

like lashing

[wary sail]

Coming from Kyrian Outlaw. How much more involved is the rotation for Doomblade Venthyr Assas ?

[plain jewel]

way less involved lol

[limber swallow]

uh.. you have to track dots?

it involves pushing less buttons per minute.....

[celest rover]

So venth wins single target, but what about fights like huntsman where you can bonespike two targets? Or in that case would you just outlul

[plain jewel]

doomblade doesnt change anything. just more damage. and have to keep track of 2 DoTs. make sure they dont run out

[pliant sorrel]

sin is great in 2 target cleave

[balmy condor]

both

[manic harness]

How did raid go boys?

My guild didn't know what hit em

[lament mica]

hunts is kinda dumb anyway cuz a lot of parsing that fight is just having CDs for the dobule dam

[stoic needle]

first pull, neck and neck with the outlul and unholy, didnt even get past 50% 👀

just with zold

[balmy condor]

I was stupid and died to shit