assassination

[thorn turtle]

Now I can push, and not apply for 15’s for 3 hours a day

[stoic needle]

haste is still bis in M+

[thorn turtle]

Getting declined cuz fuckers wanna mdi comps in 14s

While not being able to dodge prideful beams

And saving cds only for bosses

[lament mica]

wats ur io?

[split veldt]

im being cucked by torgast being broken I WANT MY DOOMBLADE BLIZZARD

[thorn turtle]

Got 1.3 today, all 15’s

[lost mist]

doomblade is bis 4 raiding?

[lament mica]

oh nice

[stoic needle]

mastery only .1 behind vers

[queen galleon]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html

doomblade seems bis

but it might depends situation

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle so I’m still betting my stache for vault

[stoic needle]

sadly this doesn't stop the higher keys you go

you have to find a group

[warm portal]

is Zoldyck still bis for M+

[thorn turtle]

Trink or weap, or my stache is gone

Marking my words

[lament mica]

if u arent hunter mage or boomy or last patch monk pugging m+ wont be fun

thats my experience

[thorn turtle]

Fuckers prolly be gone tmrw

[honest lake]

vigor still better than DS?

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle my guildies ditched me for valheim

[stoic needle]

sadge

i found my group pugging

[thorn turtle]

So I’m the only one being online constantly

@stoic needle I’ll let u know bout my vault tmrw

[stoic needle]

[icy crater]

gl

[stoic needle]

may you have to choose between phial and weapon

[thorn turtle]

But I feel I need to go buy shaving cream

[vocal edge]

"Doomblade goes on hands because slg shoulders, the stats on lego shoulders/hands are the same, so it doesn’t matter otherwise" - is this true without mythic SLG?

[thorn turtle]

210 and 207 weapons are my weakes spot

[sonic fox]

guys, where i can find the best talents for assassin ST?

[thorn turtle]

Blindside master assassin poison bomb

[sonic fox]

what about the third row, vigor or DS?

[thorn turtle]

Sim it tbh

[sonic fox]

you're right

[thorn turtle]

90% of the time I play I sin

And sim

Even for no reason, just like ocd simming

[limber lion]

Alright gonna go to bed and wake up tomorrow to the sound of a 226 Phial ringing in my vault

[thorn turtle]

I have 225 ma and 225 zold

Do I need 225 db?

[true rapids]

When do you pop flag after vendetta at 5/6 cp?

[thorn turtle]

@limber lion gl!

Someone said u pop flag insta after vendetta

And pump tf out

[silent tinsel]

0/10bosses dropped renown

[torpid spoke]

is daunteless duelist that much better than well placed shiv?

[thorn turtle]

Lfr sucks for renown, had the same issue

3% on top of the sinful buff is decent af

[covert mesa]

I had 6/10 renown in lfr

[queen galleon]

So, i'm sub nf right now, but playing a shit town of outlaw in raid, is it a good idea to swap to venthyr assa ?

[thorn turtle]

Guess rng sucks

[queen galleon]

Like is venthyr outlaw still decent ?

[thorn turtle]

Yeah it is

Feels awesome with nadjia ngl

[queen galleon]

Bcs atm we are progressing on Sludge and i don't see any point staying sub

nf

[plain jewel]

so in my sims, its says doomblade still does 30% bleed damage. is that just a tooltip error

[thorn turtle]

Prolly

My nw trinket tooltip says it does 160 dmg over 3 sec, it’s a 226

[safe pendant]

Isn't sub the best for sludge thusfar?

[jagged bobcat]

ight am i making doomblade or waiting to see if scoundrels better

[queen galleon]

Nah

[stoic needle]

with a high rank doomblade sin is probably better

[queen galleon]

even before 9.0.5 assa was in front

[bright turret]

Sub and Ass were pretty close on sludge before this patch

[wintry stone]

are the Sin lego changes live on the nightly version of Raidbots?

[mossy nest]

!opener

rip

[plain jewel]

rank 2 doomblade is simming higher than rank 4 zold for me

[thorn turtle]

@stoic needle u use zold for m?

[stoic needle]

yep

[thorn turtle]

And doom for st?

[stoic needle]

yeah, i'm upgrading mine to 235 today

[warm parcel]

@balmy condor So how bugged is ven

Do I dare go back to the tea party already

[thorn turtle]

Time to invest in doomblade, I have 1.1 ash

[stoic needle]

[thorn turtle]

1.1 tomorrow

[stoic needle]

new flag feels incredible

[warm parcel]

I bet

[thorn turtle]

What tank can I craft with 2.2?

[warm parcel]

Its kind alike old KB

[thorn turtle]

210?

[stoic needle]

yeah 210 i belive

[stoic needle]

now that you mention it the design is kinda similar

[warm parcel]

Old one was too

With a few real annoying drawbacks

And lack of qol

[thorn turtle]

We need shrouded suffocation to be a thing

So we can be the best

[stoic needle]

flag just gives stats instead of more damage

[buoyant mauve]

6min in queue so far for 1 of 2 dungeons I gotta do before I can swap to venth

[sterile jackal]

yea, SS would be great

[limber lion]

It's similar but it doesn't scale infinitely like KB used to

[wanton reef]

In a raid, shouldn't it be possible to vanish at around 30% and change legendary? Going doomsblade until 30% then zoldryck?

[wintry stone]

Can anyone confirm or point me in the direction to find out if the Nightly build is up to date on Raidbots for Sin legos

[limber lion]

It was always a game of how many stacks you could get out of KB

[queen galleon]

You can't swap at any given chance ?

[stoic needle]

you can't change gear in raid fights sadly even if you drop combat

not like classic hehe

[wanton reef]

Ah thats too bad

[sterile jackal]

thats rly good

[thorn turtle]

Osh u na or eu?

[stoic needle]

NA

[thorn turtle]

Sadge

[sterile jackal]

imagine all this minmaxing

[haughty hollow]

If I will never kill SLG on mythic should I put doomblade on shoulders? I already have crit haste gloves and slg shoulder from heroic (Both 220 ilvl)

[thorn turtle]

I need eu frens

[limber lion]

Ok, alarm set to 8 hours from now.

[stoic needle]

sure

[stoic needle]

min/maxing is fun >:)

let me be a degenerate, blizzard

[limber lion]

I'm an EU frog. 🙂

[kind veldt]

is assassination really simming higher than sub/outlaw overall now?

[proper garnet]

These sims are full of shit lol

[kind veldt]

or is this fake news?

[stoic needle]

for ST yes

[thorn turtle]

Ooooh, I’ll dm you to add tmrw

[iron orchid]

Me too, imma sleep for now

[proper garnet]

its fake news

[ionic fox]

Where have you been @kind veldt

[iron orchid]

Gn bois

[limber lion]

Yep same, see you in 8 hours

Good night

[sterile jackal]

i watched eso dungeon gameplay- swaping skills, armors weapons 500 time in 5 min. No thank you

[thorn turtle]

Gn

[limber lion]

😴

[shy dust]

explain yourself

why are they

[stoic needle]

how sway

[thorn turtle]

He’s a donkey

[wise gull]

^

[thorn turtle]

Says it all for me

[proper garnet]

The sims are correct to the apl. I'd bet a quite large amount of money that the list was coincide with the statistics in raid

its IQD all over again

[wise gull]

i mean

[normal spoke]

Is raidbots updated properly for 9.0.5 yet?

[warm parcel]

wat

[thorn turtle]

What

[sterile jackal]

[wise gull]

i just beat my rank 10 artificer sub parse

by 300dps

[stoic needle]

except sin is one of the few specs that consistently performs close to its sim output

[rugged saddle]

Probably a dumb question but is raid bots updated already to match live servers or are the buffs /changes not in yet on raidbots

[wise gull]

as assa

first try

[thorn turtle]

Yeah it is

[wise gull]

with 190 leggo and still night fae

[ionic fox]

Read the big green stripe across the raidbots website

[thorn turtle]

Fudge

[wise gull]

sims arent lying

[rugged saddle]

Thanks Pog

[rustic thunder]

damn

[normal spoke]

Assa is an easy rotation compared to the other two I think

[rustic thunder]

[thorn turtle]

Ok gl all I’ll see you i the morning

With stache or without

Depends on the vault

[plain jewel]

sub and sin both have similar rotation imo. sub gets punished by mistakes a lot more tho

[thorn turtle]

Gn all

[sterile jackal]

sub rotation is pretty easy too, once you get used to it

[wise gull]

shiv window feels like dance

[stoic needle]

if you pop your CDs at the wrong time as sub you will do tank level DPS

[normal spoke]

Like Folios said... very punishable if you mess up

[stoic needle]

with sin you can press buttons randomly 10% of the time and do fine

[wise gull]

i thought i'd hate assa more

[queen galleon]

Is like assa that easy to learn ? i'm afraid to fail, i have non experience with it

[misty holly]

But if you mess up shiv window you only lose a small amount of dps. Mess up your dance and its fucked

[normal spoke]

I don't think you will fail

[proper garnet]

Hey maybe I'm wrong and if I am ill admit it but this is far. I want to be correct I would love to be a top 5 spec

[wise gull]

i loved messing up one dance and fucking my entire pull

[ionic fox]

messing up dance is hard tho lul

[normal spoke]

Exactly... like activating dance just before Blood Price ... headsmash

[rustic thunder]

yea you have to execute dance/symbols windows perfectly as sub to even get close to purple parses

[ionic fox]

Sub is a very easy spec

[warm parcel]

You looking at stacked sim chart and saying its full of shit just means you dont understand sims

[wise gull]

on arti mythic someone got stasis trapped and i panic danced to break them out

[proper garnet]

look your just emotional because ass is on top lol

[tropic charm]

I just read pins, and this could have been answered already, but for fights like stone generals or cleave fights, which leggo is best?

[warm parcel]

Na Im not

[zenith ravine]

assas is 10x easier than sub for most people

[warm parcel]

Im just here to keep you from yelling random ass stupid shit

[proper garnet]

this Ass is very easy one of the easiest in game

[strange python]

!opener

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[normal spoke]

I am a suckered for assassin with GW :)

[proper garnet]

yeah your sacrificing yourself for the greater good. Thank you arbiter your services are no longer required

[warm parcel]

[bright timber]

Is everyone simming higher with DS? or still vigor

[limber lion]

Oh boy

[ionic fox]

I don't understand why people think assass is easier 😛 way more to keep track of/ pandemic windows etc etc

[queen galleon]

If i swap right now from nf, do you think full skill tree is good for tommorow night eu btw

[wise gull]

ass is def easier single target

[normal spoke]

So here is ultimate question tho... how's it feel to play? Still feel energy starved?

[ionic fox]

Sub is braindead ST

[stoic needle]

because you don't lose that much even if you fuck up

sub is not braindead on st because you have to time your CDs around boss mechanics

[proper garnet]

Very large mistake margins

[rustic thunder]

once u get the idea for dancing the yea it's brainless

[strange python]

so, on a assa opener we do NOT use ambush? lol

[kind veldt]

Exactly sin has been one of the easiest specs in the game lol

[rustic thunder]

but one mistake and you're done

[ionic fox]

Sub is pretty much everything on CD and you parse a 99

[stoic needle]

if you think sin feels energy starved it will never feel good enough for you. that's just the way it's paced

[torpid spoke]

i think vigor is bis still

but sim it

[strange python]

🐒

[normal spoke]

I just got spoiled by BfA is all

[stoic needle]

DS is bis if you have 10% haste as venthyr, 25% haste as other covs

roughly

[strange python]

yo guys, aren'tt you using ambush on your opener? what?

[stoic needle]

8.3 expedient sin is dead and never coming back

[ionic fox]

Until Classic BFA

[stoic needle]

no you dont use ambush unless you have blindside proc

[normal spoke]

That is why BfA was the best expansion ever !

[strange python]

weird... thanks

[fringe dust]

Does anyone have a halfway decent Doomblade Weak Aura? I don't really like Publik's.

[stoic needle]

why would you need a weakaura for doomblade

[fringe dust]

Bleed counts?

[balmy condor]

it's bleeds on the target homie

[rocky sinew]

@wise gull which leggo are you using, doomblade?

[stoic needle]

your rotation wouldn't change no matter how many bleeds you have up

[jagged bobcat]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[fringe dust]

Yeah, do feral bleeds etc not count?

[low girder]

no lol

[stoic needle]

nah they dont

[balmy condor]

of course not lmao

[ionic fox]

lol

[upper summit]

what about arms warrior bleeds?

[elfin valley]

DS over vigor with venthyr right?

atleast thats what my current sims are telling me

[pliant roost]

Anyone have a weak aira for tracking multiple ruptures? For m+

[pliant apex]

its haste and versatility for doom missives right?

[dark crag]

Why aren't they? I demand even more buffs

[pliant roost]

Aura*

[ruby fulcrum]

226 Shadowgrasp Totem vs 226 Mistcaller Ocarina? I'm a M+ only, Sin only player.

[sterile jackal]

jesus, weak auras for everything...

[ionic fox]

Wait a second is the real Meteos casually in the Assass channel...

[fringe dust]

I have been fed misinfo, lol. Thanks i feel dumb.

[ionic fox]

or am i getting trolled

[nova oxide]

Does doomblade bleed count for energy regen? Is there a weak aura for my taxes?

[stoic needle]

i recommend working on your nameplates instead

[strange python]

nop

[sterile jackal]

TAB for life

[prisma yoke]

i just have the rupture on the enemy nameplate and scan with my eyes for missing icon ...

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gleaming viper]

!guide

[main blaze]

Do we not have well placed steel conduit in raid?

I see Maim one now in dungeon journal but not well placed steel

[little moth]

No

[main blaze]

sadface

[strange python]

we got useless conduit in raid 😄

anyway i'll wait for logs to see which one is really up

it could be sub

[upper summit]

would i be crazy for going venthyr on my rog??

[strange python]

no, we're all going I guess, for sub/ass at least

[queen galleon]

how long to get full tree on venthyr ?

[loud niche]

!food

what's the command

[queen galleon]

like is it possible on one day ,

[loud niche]

for the best food and oi/stone

[low girder]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[loud niche]

<3!

[covert mesa]

I needed 3 days

[loud niche]

doesnt do food? FeelsBad

[low girder]

food's in there

[civic knot]

where does zoldycks go?

[low girder]

pants

[civic knot]

leg or other

[balmy condor]

bruh

[regal crag]

Uh

[civic knot]

ty

[balmy condor]

tough life for ww in keys

[plush ferry]

zoldycks go into the bags

[regal crag]

My great vault bugged out

I didn't get anything ;-;

[low girder]

relog, happened to me too

[sterile jackal]

show us skill dmg

[upper summit]

i just crafted zoldycks, am i fudged?

[balmy condor]

for me or the ww

[ionic fox]

its better for SLG and Sire

prog

@upper summit

[strange python]

what leggo were you running?

[plush ferry]

still good to have for some fights

[sterile jackal]

yours ofc

[balmy condor]

zold

[strange python]

ty so much 😉

[pliant sorrel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hJQ8RtAmQVu5fhWc7FrYJC

[upper summit]

but im gonna want doomblade for most stuff right?

[pliant sorrel]

K DEN

[balmy condor]

16 DoS

[plush ferry]

yea, doomblade overal better

[ionic fox]

@upper summit for Pure ST yeah. Most fights will be Doom

[strange python]

what about your boss dmg?

[upper summit]

thank you 😄

[ionic fox]

@upper summit sign my titties

[chilly basin]

Sin over Law now for keys?

[strange python]

how was your dmg on the broker boss?

like, pure ST

[ionic fox]

outlaw still better for keys

[true rapids]

Do you mut or ambush in the opener?

[strange python]

f*** outlaw xd RNG class

[balmy condor]

6k hakkar, 4.7k manastorm, 5.6k on broker, 3.9k on muehzala

but I was pride duty

so things didn't line up

[trim zinc]

@stoic needle 3 as sin

[true rapids]

Thats honestly why outlaw is better you can just mongo your cds and they will always be up

[stoic needle]

getting there brother

[civic knot]

all reroll mage

and be happy

[strange python]

okay

everyone join mage discord

waiting you there, bye bye

[elfin valley]

@upper summit as faras going venth for sin goes its def worth it but make sure to get the lashing conduit from (denathrius, WB, calling boxes or upgrade from ven'ari)

[pliant sorrel]

nvm

that was dsliece

[civic knot]

what are the good conduits to be using

lashing and what else

[pliant sorrel]

thats it lol

only potency u use cause u go duelist in ST

[civic knot]

lol

[pliant sorrel]

o u mean m+?

shiv one right

[civic knot]

nah

you right

[strange python]

anyone have ass opener for st?

[sterile jackal]

ass opener...

[stoic needle]

https://wago.io/WULju2fnt i just made this quick and dirty weakaura to track the # of bleeds you have up on targets around you. it glows and shows a poison splash effect when you have >5 so you know when to start envenoming

[elfin valley]

https://tenor.com/view/psych-crazy-insane-psycho-disturbing-gif-13004974

[strange python]

what conduits will you guys use?

[cerulean kernel]

unbuckle>unzip>pulldown>spread?

[queen galleon]

let's go i guess

[plain jewel]

whats a good soulbind for venthyr m+

tea time looks intersting lol

[plush ferry]

if you planing to die a lot, draven

[zenith ravine]

haste---> vers =crit --> mastery but does anyone recommend percentages in each?

[warm parcel]

there are no magic numbers, cutoffs, caps or anything alike

[stoic needle]

theotar is generally the best. you could run nadjia on tyrannical though

[true rapids]

69% haste 0% everything else

[vocal edge]

wont be getting M SLG shoulders for a long ass time. my current shoulders are worse than my hands in both stats and ilvl. do i still craft hands?

[balmy condor]

how bugged is what now

[onyx wind]

i recommend 45% haste (permanent PI) for mental breakpoint

[warm parcel]

Im just asking if Im safe to go teaparty

[somber thistle]

So change to venythr and use doomblade now?

[balmy condor]

oh

yes

it's fine

[stoic needle]

doomblade yes, changing to venthyr isn't really necessary unless you want to. all the covenants are fine

[lament mica]

kyrian

[brittle vigil]

Would dashing scoundrel feel better to play

[balmy condor]

all working as intended, just did a key with it, worked great, everything seems to be in order

[lament mica]

[balmy condor]

more energy

[brittle vigil]

That's what i'm thinking i just haven't playe dit

[stoic needle]

why would you not want to look like this tho

[honest needle]

is sin better than outlaw for m+

[final ferry]

If we play doomblade on mono, do we play exsanguinate with it or we stay on alacrity?

[onyx wind]

slick

[lament mica]

wtf race even is that

i can't tell

[stoic needle]

? blood elf lmao

[brazen ferry]

Using the pinned talents for ST, do I ambush whenever I get a chance (vanish/sepsis) or only on blinside procs?

[honest needle]

does anyone kno ?

[stoic needle]

only blindside

[balmy condor]

blindside only

[dull cargo]

so what know DS or Doomblade?:X

[brazen ferry]

thx

[lament mica]

bro that could so easily be a velf nelf or nightrborn

[balmy condor]

the peepono reactions should be enough

[zenith ravine]

yea im just deciding if i want crit + haste on my leggo or haste + vers

[fading wigeon]

Yes go gloves

[honest needle]

@balmy condor huh

[somber thistle]

i mainly do m+ still want doomblade ?

[balmy condor]

literally 99% of questions

are answered in the pins

friendly reminder to go look there

[stoic needle]

for a tyrannical week maybe in specific dungeons but most other weeks you'd be better off with MA or zoldyck

[honest needle]

I just wanna kno if sin is pulling ahead for m+

I dont see that in pins

[little moth]

no

[onyx wind]

when i play zoldyck i sit in stealth until mobs are 30% for max subterfuge value

[pliant sorrel]

no its not

[little moth]

outlaw still for m+

[sterile jackal]

50%- , 50%-

[true rapids]

its pulling ahead but it will probably NEVER beat outlaw

[umbral rapids]

good luck @balmy condor this is gonna be busy

[plush ferry]

did callings from previous days give you valor?

[zenith ravine]

checked the pins already

[pliant sorrel]

look at the compared sims

[zenith ravine]

ill sim her out

[onyx wind]

vers gear is easier to get if u pvp

so by that logic crit will be better

[outer lodge]

idk if i like playing DS over Vigor even though its simming higher 😦

[zenith ravine]

if doomsblade becomes pvp leggo vers haste would be more viable im thinkin

since i pvp

[lament mica]

doomblade was already a great option for pvp

and it didn't get worse

[onyx wind]

if u already pvp then for sure go vers

like pvp for the sake of pvp i mean

not pvp for the sake of gear

XD

[loud niche]

wow. doomblade does almost as much dps as my 226 phial

Pog

[pliant sorrel]

i never got me renown gloves

from campaign

wtf

[ionic fox]

i didnt either

[brittle pawn]

They were from a maw quest or something

[pliant sorrel]

o...

[pale knot]

just buy them from the vendor that sells them for anima

[brittle pawn]

That you only do one time

[pliant sorrel]

true

[pale knot]

costs like 200 anima

[crystal barn]

using MA talent, when you vanish, should we break with ambush or mut?

[balmy condor]

mut

[crystal barn]

thanks ❤️

[true rapids]

is that the same for the opener?

[split grail]

Does the bleed form Bone Spike count for the doomblade buff?

[icy crater]

simming 6100

[brittle pawn]

Are you naked?

[stoic needle]

Sounds low, aren't you geared?

[split veldt]

booo sire didnt drop muh 213 lashing

[icy crater]

222

[ionic fox]

After the swap Lashing should be the only one at 200 so its guranteed upgrade to 213 fom maw

unless you noobed out

[stoic needle]

Yeah that sound super low

[brittle pawn]

Yes that's not right

[stoic needle]

I sim 6500 at 220

[icy crater]

still fae with burrs

but still

[ionic fox]

lol

[split veldt]

lol

[ionic fox]

hes a fairy

[somber thistle]

i only sim 5900 at 218 =/

[stoic needle]

Post sim

All of you post sim

[split veldt]

i still have 10 conduits at 200, ive been getting sockets

but maybe i should try for a 213 gamble lashing 1/10 chance

but i still need 2 sockets so idk

[stoic needle]

9/10 chance to waste stygia

[ionic fox]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fvt1ENkX5h6GZbnf8ZDXSj This is with 235 Doom and a socket i'm putting in when i get off work

[reef axle]

6300 at 222 but this is at 26 renown 🤔

[prisma yoke]

so close to 7k

[split veldt]

hax

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n4MRLeh9iQvfaMo15Toc8S

[plush ferry]

so close to 6969

[strange python]

Still rockin zoldy

[prisma yoke]

also: why is everyone playing chocolate blood elves now?

[brittle pawn]

Dubamine, you on arthas?

[icy crater]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sfM6TqM1iakWPMZEgtfFJ4

[ionic fox]

Are you racist?

[brittle pawn]

Name looks familiar

[zenith ravine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4jVUcbKe3DUnqR2EFCB2Rz not sure what i can change to get better dps

[grave cove]

@stoic needle Had a look at the WA you posted before and had a question. Why is switching to envenom on 5+ targets with bleeds better than continuing to spread bleeds?

[lament mica]

not 7k, why trash?

[balmy condor]

it's not necessarily better

[odd siren]

Any us assa rogue doing m+ on stream now wanna take a look from work ✌🏻

[stoic needle]

because i'm black

[lament mica]

oh u have a 226 hateful chain u lucky lil duckie

[ionic fox]

@lament mica DW when i get home and open vault ill hit 7k 🙂

[grave cove]

Ah k, thought here was a clear reason as to why envenoming at 5+ bleeds is better

[ionic fox]

Rogue in my guild has 233 weaps and is over 7k

hes a nerd though

[lament mica]

[stoic needle]

it's not necessarily better, but it's when you get nearly infinite energy from VW

[blazing arrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gr7JzRh5apahDDSJ8RGwXN

stonks

[grave cove]

Ah got it. Cheers mate

[strange python]

@brittle pawn i am 🙂

[icy crater]

phew im better than hataro

[lament mica]

if u sim lower than 7k u should have ur chatting power RESTRICTED

[brittle pawn]

I'm Rose

[cyan echo]

do i upgrade my doomblade to 210 or make a 190 zoldyck xdd

[balmy condor]

oh no I'm fucked

[lament mica]

[ionic fox]

I've never played sin so I am about to butcher my sim

[strange python]

@brittle pawn ANIME THIGHS?!?!

[brittle pawn]

Yea

[strange python]

i've always loved ur guild name lol

[manic quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nfpXxMzHFykQTtast4Ezr6

[brittle pawn]

I've always been ashamed of it lmao

[loud niche]

Roast me papi

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dSMEbenw1PLZrdUtCATKQ9

[thick lodge]

do you use flag on cd or sync with vendetta?

[ionic fox]

Breakfast For Dinner is better

[brittle pawn]

Ya ugly

[neon rampart]

Guys why venthyr is better than fae for rogue assa ?

[reef axle]

Sync

[neon rampart]

is that about the conduit ?

[strange python]

@brittle pawn i applied in 8.3 cuz i thought the name was cool and the guild leader basically told me to fuck off

lol

[manic quartz]

How long till they nerf the lashing scars in pvp :3

[brittle pawn]

They still tell me that all the time

[split grail]

@balmy condor Couple questions: Does Bone Spike count as a bleed for Doomblade? Also: I read the pin but wasn't clear on how cttc works with recuperator. Does the heal only work when you cast S&D?

[icy crater]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[brittle pawn]

It doesn't seem like it warrants a nerf to me

[manic quartz]

let us just have week of fun 😄

[brittle pawn]

Yes, it heals as long as snd is active

[balmy condor]

yes, and it works as long as snd is on

[severe steppe]

@balmy condor Sorry to bug. So I know you've been saying Doomblade is kind of the best choice for Leggos, but wouldn't Dashing be the best all rounder?

[balmy condor]

zold is the best all rounder

[stoic needle]

on cd, syncing is a meme because you can't predict fight length

[strange python]

I'm so excited to finally be bis cov. Been rocking the shittest spec/cov combo for so long lmao

[manic quartz]

i want cov ability that hits hard, tired of applying my covenant ability and be like, dmg where? 😄

[outer lodge]

I see rotation hasn't changed, do we just git Flagelation into where Sepsis was in our rotation?

[severe steppe]

Hero damage has it kind of low for raidboss/raidboss with adds/dungeon slice

based on a 9.0.5 sim

[stoic needle]

well herodamage is, infact, wrong

they use an unoptomized profile and talents

[severe steppe]

Got it

[icy fjord]

\

[sour gorge]

If you want to do some pvp with pve you better go dooms blade than zoldyck

Right ?

[stoic needle]

yep

[lament mica]

if u do literally 0 raiding only pvp/m+ i think MA is also an option

[coral imp]

does bone spike counts towards venomous wounds?

[loud niche]

i... i just 0 parsed sire..

[somber thistle]

so all i do is m+ so i can just stay fae/zolyck and not have to do any work

is what im understanding xD

[cyan echo]

doom in raid? or dependent on fight?

[stoic needle]

yeah pretty much lol

[balmy condor]

doom for most of it

zold for like sire, sun king, and altimor

[heady rain]

Would you use FoK to build CP on council or Mutilate?

[severe steppe]

more like outlaw for Sire, Sunking, and altimor ;^)

[astral pasture]

time to switch to venthyr man i havent been this excited in a while

[vivid tulip]

Gah! 6500 sim. That’s with 24 renown tho

[severe steppe]

I'm going to get max renown on Fae and then swap

[vivid tulip]

Hope it gets abit better

Once I get it up to 30

[astral pasture]

if you cap renown at 40 as nf and switch to venth will you stay at 40?

[echo cargo]

so how do I tell my MM hunters that Sin is better for PI now

LOL

[severe steppe]

no

[iron vigil]

Is there a Benefit to capping 40 before switching Covenants?

[tender folio]

Venth rocks

[astral pasture]

so it'd be better to switch now and use the weekly quests to rank up then?

[severe steppe]

"oopsie woospie blizzy wizzy gave us a buffy wuffy"

and then get banned

[echo cargo]

LMAO

[queen galleon]

Any chance you can go to renow 30 in 24h

[vivid tulip]

No lol

[somber thistle]

I didnt tihnk i was simming that low for sin, but now listening to you guys =/

[manic river]

ofc you can

[echo cargo]

yes

[queen galleon]

I'm eu time so i'm kinda afraid

[woven needle]

Vault time. Wish me luck

[severe steppe]

Yea renown is super easy

[balmy condor]

[queen galleon]

to go to venthyr right now

[lament mica]

ayy congrats

[severe steppe]

I wasn't that brave I only made the 225

[somber thistle]

I finally got a 226 dagger today O.o

[lament mica]

congrats

[woven needle]

merissa share your luck

[astral pasture]

same! gz to you

[echo cargo]

LFR + Normal + Heroic give a fuckton

[woven needle]

feed me your energy we need a dagger

[manic river]

the campaign gives a lot too

[ionic fox]

You can get renown 30 in 24 hours if you save the campaign renown for the last stretch

[echo cargo]

^

[woven needle]

i was only able to do 27 in 24 hours but i had already done bosses

[severe steppe]

@balmy condor I think this is fate btw, check out what I got out of my box

[thick lodge]

gz

[somber thistle]

I think I should actually start doing the maw for rep for sockets, maybe thats my problem

[indigo mulch]

Feelsbadman, still running around with ilvl 200 weapons ;D

[severe steppe]

that's on you, literally just PvP

for rogues it's free real estate

[astral pasture]

join the club

[balmy condor]

yo that is a cursed fucking pawn

[indigo mulch]

@severe steppe I've been a WW monk most of mythic CN :X

[severe steppe]

lol

[astral pasture]

ik i have to update it

[severe steppe]

you meta slut

[balmy condor]

no you have to UNINSTALL it

[steel geyser]

P W N

[young pebble]

double potency with Nadja or is dauntless the play?

[manic river]

if i wanna play sin, i will have to downgrade from 223 mh and oh down to 200 😦

[indigo mulch]

Tell that to my guild :'c I got bullied into it. :/

[tender folio]

And now you got nerfed 😄

[surreal flame]

Hello, shoulder or hand for doomblade ? 😀

[loud niche]

wait... i also got that dagger from my box

[indigo mulch]

I'm happy, i can return to playing something i want. They put the newest trial on ww. 😄

[balmy condor]

hands usually

[tender folio]

Im going for the shoulders cus of tmog

[severe steppe]

Do we finish on 4/5 or 5/5 on assassination?

[balmy condor]

4

always max-1

well

[loud niche]

so 3/6 then

[balmy condor]

not ALWAYS

[indigo mulch]

Uh, unless it lands within pandemic window of garrote

[manic river]

lel

[queen galleon]

Aren't we supposed to play DS ?

[indigo mulch]

;p

[queen galleon]

So like 5/6

?

[balmy condor]

5/6 is indeed max-1

[severe steppe]

I thought it was vigor ? oh shit what's the current meta for raiding

[queen galleon]

Yeah, just wonder if DS was trolling bcs you said 4/5

[balmy condor]

DS is good

[indigo mulch]

The general rule is to never waste CP. So if you have 4/5 and press mutilate you waste 1 cp.

[balmy condor]

especially for venthyr

[thorny bone]

Whisp, can you link your armory?

[indigo mulch]

You can go 5/5 if garrote is up and its within pandemic window.

[severe steppe]

Your own guide in pins has it as 3-3-1-0-0-2-1

[indigo mulch]

Fakenews

[balmy condor]

yes, DS is only good for high gear, and venthyr

[surreal flame]

@balmy condor ok thanks

[balmy condor]

so I'm not going to recommend a less common option

[severe steppe]

So if I'm still fae and have high gear?

[balmy condor]

to a majority

[balmy condor]

then you sim

[drifting cloud]

how about you run a 10s sim

[thorny lion]

@balmy condor does the opener changes with the new flag ? i mean the opener on ravenholdt

[lunar thicket]

hi, sorry to ask, im a bit out of the loop, but is assass the go to spec now? or is it balanced out agasint outlaw/sub?

[severe steppe]

[tender folio]

Like a little kids in the school 😄

[lunar thicket]

thank you whispyr ❤️

[indigo mulch]

I mean, i'm still ready with my pitchfork.

[coral pawn]

whispyr is hiding the BIS list tho

[balmy condor]

shoutout to the sidewalk for keeping me off the streets

[queen galleon]

Zoldyck is still bis on slugde ?

[foggy socket]

just do what makes you happy

[balmy condor]

but like seriously

[indigo mulch]

btw, whispyr how does dashing work in aoe scenarios? I mean when you use envenom, does all poisons on all targets get the increased crit + the energy from each poison? D:

[balmy condor]

I have so many pins

[balmy condor]

it's an effect on the envenom buff

[indigo mulch]

Hmn

[timid pond]

Is necro looking decent with Ass? Looking to pick one that suits both Outlaw and ass decently

[balmy condor]

yes, venthyr and necro are both very good

[coral pawn]

im trolling from a comment made yesterday about the super secret spread sheet lol...whisp is dope

[indigo mulch]

Why does noone actually look at the pins though? o.o

[sour gorge]

Whispyr do you like answer the same question 100000 times a day ?

[indigo mulch]

Everything is there.

[sour gorge]

Read pins guys lol

[blazing arrow]

@balmy condor question. if you're playing fae would you open with sepsis

[coral pawn]

Whispyr do you like answer the same question 100000 times a day ?

[blazing arrow]

thats what seli has in the guide

[severe steppe]

Whispyr do you like answer the same question 100000 times a day ?

[balmy condor]

no

[coral pawn]

[balmy condor]

no he doesn't since when

[blazing arrow]

it makes sense

[indigo mulch]

Eh

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock

didn't we go over that

[sour gorge]

« When using master assassin »

[brittle pawn]

it doesnt matter

flag never gave cp

what are you snd with on that

[balmy condor]

it's midnight in EU

oh no

[blazing arrow]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

wait no

[verbal mantle]

1am actually

[balmy condor]

it's 1am

OH NO

[slender berry]

midnight for the brits

[indigo mulch]

its almost as good as the 2x garrote opener from the famous rogue youtuber.

[warm parcel]

wym o no

[solar flicker]

yeah i asked the same thing about the openers like 2 weeks ago, ravenholdt guide has ambush after vanish too lol

[indigo mulch]

Super good.

[balmy condor]

opener wrong

[warm parcel]

O you mean seli?

[blazing arrow]

well you never use ambush in stealth as sin

thats

[warm parcel]

[pliant sorrel]

!guide

[blazing arrow]

not new

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[blazing arrow]

that hasnt been new for like 10 years

[warm parcel]

Whod ever dare have stuff wrong in their guides

[balmy condor]

god damnit

[thick lodge]

can anyone explain how sbs works now

[blazing arrow]

two things, one I can see why you would want to spend as little CP as possible on SnD

[balmy condor]

am I gonna have to make my rounds checking all the guides

[blazing arrow]

but secondly

[thick lodge]

is it kinda like mfd?

[balmy condor]

yes

[blazing arrow]

why would you use sepsis in the MA window if it doesnt snapshot

[balmy condor]

it's instant cast damage

[solar flicker]

looks like they updated it nvm lol

[balmy condor]

followed by a perm dot

if the mob dies

you get the charge back

[solar flicker]

yea thats what i was saying

[loud niche]

only 2 tries to get my lashing scars to 213 from venari

since sire refused to drop it

[warm parcel]

wai

does he actually drop it

[sour hollow]

/1

[loud niche]

ye

[warm parcel]

lmao nice

[blazing arrow]

can we not respond to that clown

[mental igloo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[solar flicker]

good thing we still do last 2 heroic every week 🙂

[loud niche]

who?

[warm parcel]

@balmy condor what is this

[balmy condor]

I assume blindside

[warm parcel]

feels so wrong to waste ma for it

[orchid hollow]

is there any way to refresh rupture in a way that doesnt make me sometimes cast it during shiv window? should i refresh it early? or is it just chill and refresh it during pandemic

[midnight cedar]

what stats should i use on my leggos?

[indigo mulch]

_<

[dim yacht]

how does sin compare to outlaw now in m+?

[balmy condor]

yeah unlucky

[indigo mulch]

Outlaw is still better for m+

[balmy condor]

have you read the pins

[indigo mulch]

LO

[vagrant brook]

what missives for doomblade?

[balmy condor]

haste crit/vers

on all legendaries

[loud niche]

@balmy condor hey uh, you wanna go get an admin for HataroToday at 6:15 PM
can we not respond to that clown
this or should i @ one?

[solar flicker]

this cant be real dawg i gotta go

[indigo mulch]

Intellect so we can outsmart our oppnonets

[dim yacht]

i did, i know outlaw is still better

[indigo mulch]

Noone expects the int rogue.

[balmy condor]

I mean, who?

[dim yacht]

just wondering how much better

[loud niche]

Doesn't matter, anyone to use a warn command, since he was told to either block me or stop bashing on me the other day

[blazing arrow]

@balmy condor so if thats not the opener. wtf is seli smoking

[loud niche]

specifically by Ronkles ^-^ it was in off topic, and Fierydemise got involved

[balmy condor]

give me a second

[loud niche]

Thanks!

[indigo mulch]

Someones getting in trouble!

[blazing arrow]

not likely

[loud niche]

I certainly hope so. Being randomly rude to someone who hasn't said anything to you in weeks is pretty toxic.

[severe steppe]

Did I fuck up badly by making my doomblade missives be Haste/Vers

[queen galleon]

Is there any macro that can like ambush when you get a free proc on the same key as mutilate ?

[violet wasp]

Nadjia sim more in dungeon slice than Theotar only for me?

[severe steppe]

No

[queen galleon]

[severe steppe]

Actually more even than that

You want ambush to be a separate button

[shrewd night]

[severe steppe]

For example in subtlety I have a macro based on stance that does Shadowstrike any opportunity I can and it's one icon

[drifting cloud]

!gse

[severe steppe]

But you don't want that for ass

[gusty mirage]

220 crit/vers shoulders and 226 haste/vers gloves

you know what that means boys

[loud niche]

shoulders instead of gloves?

[queen galleon]

And, like can you macro your trinket with any other spells ,

like vendetta ?

[loud niche]

Niceu

[queen galleon]

Bcs i imagine you want to trinket after vende ,

[gusty mirage]

now whispyr can stop shunning me :3

[bronze wagon]

hell yeah boys we back to assas best single target?

[brittle pawn]

if you have some 2 min trinket, sure

[orchid hollow]

yes

[queen galleon]

k ty

[orchid hollow]

#showtooltip
/use Vendetta
/use 13
/use 14

[queen galleon]

thanks my guy

[misty holly]

I have a question about diminishing returns, is that applied only to the bonus gained from stats after 30%, or to the whole amount you have?

for instant rogues have a base 10% crit chance with no stats

[warm parcel]

DR affects raw rating only

[misty holly]

do I get DR at 30% total, or 40% total?

[misty holly]

ok ty

[latent field]

skulkers wing doesn't receive crit bonus from ma right?

[loud niche]

correct

they changed it today iirc?

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor sup

[solar flicker]

That was the ma leggo what about the ma talent

[plain jewel]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[solar flicker]

does skulkers work with the talent?

[balmy condor]

we'll talk it out in a dm

[marble hemlock]

No

Do it here

[balmy condor]

okay

so

[marble hemlock]

For everyone's education

[balmy condor]

sounds good

[solar flicker]

[drowsy parcel]

[marble hemlock]

ye

[balmy condor]

okay

[marble hemlock]

thats what we talked about

last time

[balmy condor]

yes

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

that's correct, but we came to a conclusion that was not this

[marble hemlock]

didnt we?

what conclusion did we come to?

[balmy condor]

remember the whole thing about sepsis from stealth feeling like trash so we mut and then sepsis shiv later

[marble hemlock]

yeah

so

[brittle pawn]

that and venthyr/necro are swapped

[marble hemlock]

move sepsis to the necro line?

well i guess

youw anna sbs earlier now

[plain jewel]

so why dont we ambush in the opener. seems like ambush does more damage than mut and still give 2 cp

[balmy condor]

yeah, as well as the venthyr one tbh

[marble hemlock]

ambush gives 2-3cp, mut gives 2-4, and can proc blindside

[brittle pawn]

you literally cant do that as venthyr

flag doesnt give cp

can't snd there

[plain jewel]

ah

[balmy condor]

like should always be mut snd mut gar and then go from there

[marble hemlock]

fucking hate having to do

4 differnet openers

[balmy condor]

ye

[marble hemlock]

can we just go back to bfa?

[brittle pawn]

[balmy condor]

so I think for ease and readability right

[sonic iris]

is mortregar up this week?

[warm parcel]

Just leave covenant spells out of the guide and let whispyr handle it

[subtle imp]

wouldnt it be mut / flag/ snd

[wild lantern]

@sonic iris yep

[balmy condor]

mut snd mut gar rup

[sonic iris]

nice

[marble hemlock]

i mean, if we have 4 distinct covenant spec ones, i can do that

[balmy condor]

vend COV HERE FOR EVERYONE

[marble hemlock]

thats not a problem

[balmy condor]

and then go from there

[marble hemlock]

just have to put rotational switches in

[brittle pawn]

1. stealth
2. DM Whispyr to find out the next step

[marble hemlock]

but yah

that works too i guess

dunno if its super optimal. doubt that even if it isnt, its gonna be more than 20dps difference

[balmy condor]

and then obviously like shiv blah blah blah

yeah

[warm parcel]

roborogue flags before rup

[marble hemlock]

so vend+cov

[blazing arrow]

sepsis before shiv?

[balmy condor]

it's not going to be mega poggers optimal

[blazing arrow]

or after

[balmy condor]

but it's close enough

to where it just doesn't matter

[marble hemlock]

and just mut/s/mut/g/r opener

[balmy condor]

yes

[forest wing]

hutsman feels so good being able to actually press envenom holyy

[marble hemlock]

and then vend/cov/shiv

[balmy condor]

correct

[blazing arrow]

before shiv after vendetta or before

[marble hemlock]

if you have like

4 fully optimized ones

i can do that with radial switches in the guide

where people click their covenant

and then it adjusts the rotation

[balmy condor]

I would have to actually tc that out

[marble hemlock]

my intuition says

what we just agreed on is pmuch optimal

for kyrian/necro/fae

and venthyr probably wants

a mut flag vend shiv burst instead instead

[balmy condor]

I think it would be vend/flag before the rupture

[marble hemlock]

probably something like

[balmy condor]

and then into shiv

[marble hemlock]

mut/s/mut/r/g/mut/flag/vend/shiv

you get lower cp rupture but have 4+ shiv envenom with flag active secured

[worldly bridge]

This reminds me that I have a specific question related to 2/3 target prio when you have Vendetta up. Let's take Altimor, do you sd/garrote/r everything then proceed to normal rotation on 1target ?

[balmy condor]

why not mut/s/mut/g/vend/flag/rup/mut/shiv

[forest wing]

no idea tbh, just speced into sin

[marble hemlock]

that works too

[ionic fox]

get your bleeds on other targets before vendetta.. right?

[dull osprey]

Should I be holding shiv for sepsis if they are ~7s off?

[marble hemlock]

write it down and in DMs, we can sim it at some point and see if its a gain

for now ill go with the stuff we talked about earlier

🙂

[spring rock]

Just watching you guys talking the spec and trying to take it all in is a treat 🙂

[marble hemlock]

subter opener is fine or?

havent checked that one out yet

[balmy condor]

no clue

let me check

[blazing arrow]

I was just going over sin seli cause I crafted my lego and wanted to practice for tomorrow

that's why I had questions and bought it up with whispyr

no idea about sub

[balmy condor]

yeah the subt one is fine

[marble hemlock]

ah yeah

now i see

i changed the subter one

2weeks ago

but didnt change MA one

cause

[balmy condor]

that's what I thought happened

[marble hemlock]

me dumbdumb

[worldly bridge]

I'm struggling with Vendetta in Aoe situations. Typically M+ idk if I should fok / spread dots or st rotation and just rupture as many as I can and benefit from Vendetta only for muts

[tropic ocean]

Vendetta is st

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, ideally i wanna do rotational switches for assa, i did them for outlaw cuase they have so many talent combinations that change the rotational prios. assa doesnt have that, so i didnt add any yet

[worldly bridge]

Yeah but it's cd is kinda low, would be a shame to not use it whenever it's off cd during m+

[dark whale]

Hey Americans is sin feeling great? Haven’t tested in the ptr, really looking forward to playing it tomorrow

[tropic ocean]

You only use it if you have a kill target

[brittle pawn]

it feels like it did the other day, just with bigger numbers

[tropic ocean]

Not for aoe dps

[dull osprey]

Is sepsis not buffed by shiv? I just tested and it didn't seem that it was

Also, cut to the chase makes it feel so much better

[tropic ocean]

So if there is a mob you want to kill fast you build with fok and dump vendetta envenoms into it

[dark whale]

Well the SnD extension should change stuff up plus flag?

[tropic ocean]

Otherwise you dont really use it in aoe scenario

[marble hemlock]

what exactly defines max snd duration?

is it a fully pandemic max CP one?

or based on the amount of CP you cast it with?

was wondering about that but never checked on PTR

always forgot

😄

[buoyant mauve]

5 lfr bosses so far, still no renown

[dawn ivy]

i think it just goes up to 46 seconds

regardless of what cp you used initially

[marble hemlock]

so its max cp pandemic one. assuming itll be ~53 or 54 seconds if oyu run deeper?

[warm parcel]

It simply extends your current to a cap of 1.3 x max cp

[dawn ivy]

yeah i havent ran Deeper so im not sure

[marble hemlock]

kk, so higher max duration with deeper

and a low cp envenom wont extend duration at all

[worldly bridge]

Aight ty. Also, I've been told to literally spam shiv on cd. Is it better to cast it even if it overcaps when I'm alrdy 5cp or should I envenoms then mut/shiv ?

[marble hemlock]

if its already higher than the low-cp used pandemic snd duration

makes some sense i guess?

[warm parcel]

no

dude

its literally GM

[marble hemlock]

oh

but

[warm parcel]

[marble hemlock]

then why is it capped

[warm parcel]

Who knows

[marble hemlock]

:<

[warm parcel]

Ask the devs

[marble hemlock]

so its not GM

!

[snow arch]

New sbs is nice. Crazy how terrible sbs was ‘acceptable’ to Blizzard for four months.

[marble hemlock]

so a 1cp envenom will still extend by 3sec, even if the duration is at 40sec?

[warm parcel]

yes

[marble hemlock]

kk

time to nerf GM then

[silent tinsel]

I didnt think much of it at first

Until I played assa the last weekend

[warm parcel]

Wouldnt mind those 5 min snds

[marble hemlock]

ye

i fail to see

why its not a thing

[onyx wind]

Wouldnt u just stack it up outside of raid then

and have a perma SnD

[silent tinsel]

And I realised something about their energy economy makes it alot worse than refreshing it on other specs

[marble hemlock]

cant stack it up long enough

[onyx wind]

or outside of dungeon

and have it permanently

[warm parcel]

Thats what we did with monk stuff in EN

[onyx wind]

or using turnip

[marble hemlock]

takes a bit

[warm parcel]

Had our tank stack his stuff in class hall

[marble hemlock]

to get high duration on it

[warm parcel]

Then port in

And tank

[marble hemlock]

since you only gain 15-howevermany seconds it took you to build 5cp duration on snd

[silent tinsel]

I thought people were just whining

Its actually just harder to spare the resource to recast on assa compared to outlaw

[warm parcel]

Its just odd its here

Noone asked for it

But they just slapped it back into rogue

[balmy condor]

because we might actually have snd up in keys

and that scares them

[dark crag]

Holy shit, venthyr assa went full circle and is exactly like it was in legion minus the few small artifact gimmicks

[queen galleon]

"For raiding you will generally play without a non-lethal"

are they any reason ?

[silent tinsel]

Ive seen numbing on debuff bars for bosses

[balmy condor]

uh..... who?

who.... said that?

[cunning surge]

Icyveins says that

[warm parcel]

Now just give me back my 80% mut crit @dark crag

And Ill die happy

[cunning surge]

For, whatever reason

[balmy condor]

ICYVEINS SAYS THAT?